g_b 'Rape' to go from IPC; new bill in offing
Inviting comments from knowledgeable folks on the implications of the following fresh news, particularly ref to the last line. Regards Salil 'Rape' to go from IPC; new bill in offing New Delhi, Mar 15 (PTI) The Home Ministry is working on a draft bill which will replace the word 'rape' from nearly 150-year-old Indian Penal Code with 'sexual assault' in order to broaden the ambit of crimes covered, official sources said. As per section 375 of IPC, penetration is sufficient to constitute the sexual intercourse necessary to the offence of rape but with the proposed replacements coming in, the sexual assault will also cover crimes like sodomy, fingering, insertion of foreign object and other similar offences which do not come under present definition of rape, sources said of law to prevent sexual crimes among homosexuals with homosexuality being decriminalised by a Delhi High Court order last year. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/
g_b Request to Prashant ref all his emails
Prashant, I have read with interest most of your emails to the various gay mailing lists. I have a few requests to make, in common to all your emails till now - 1) There have been repeated requests that some of the content of your emails could be quoted in the current Sec 377 case in a way that harms our community. As the wise have said, no freedom is absolute and is tempered by a corresponding duty or responsibility. Assuming you are interested in the greater good of the gay community in India, will you please heed these requests and not make the job of our activist friends more difficult than it already is ? You can help by not making the current DHC judgment sound foolish, for example. I am not saying you do not have the right to your opinion, neither am I saying I agree or disagree with it, I am simply saying the greater good might be served at simply the cost of you not getting to write an email to a group, which seems a good deal to me. 2) There are repeated references in your emails to some personal beliefs which you tend to state in the manner of proven fact, which they are not. As you are aware, the large majority of members on these mailing lists do not write but only read the postings. It is possible that they may read the wrong information posted by you but not the correction posted by one of the lawyers or doctors. Can you please desist from writing about topics which needs specialist understanding either legal or medical in nature. I also suggest that you do more research before you post - many of your errors can be easily avoided if you bothered to read up first. For example you wondered why the DHC should be considered a landmark though the sodomy legalising bill passed in the UK in 1967 was not considered a landmark. If you had bothered to read a bit you would find that the 1967 bill was indeed a sorry piece of legislation compared to the unequivocal rejection of discrimination that the DHC judgment delivers. For example, google would have directed you to the following passage and improved your understanding : (as a result of the 1967 judgment) ,while gay sex may have been legal, most of the things that might lead to it were still classified as 'procuring' and 'soliciting'. 'It remained unlawful for two consenting adult men to chat up each other in any non-private location,' Tatchell says. 'It was illegal for two men even to exchange phone numbers in a public place or to attempt to contact each other with a view to having sex.' Thus the 1967 law established the risible anomaly that to arrange to do something legal was itself illegal. In summary, please write only about stuff you know about - don't just shoot your mouth off. Cheers Salil Your Mail works best with the New Yahoo Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads.yahoo.com/in/internetexplorer/
Re: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men
No wrath yet, let's hope someone with self-esteem issues jumps in and asks you to stop calling him shorty. That would be fun :) Cheers Salil --- On Wed, 30/12/09, Deep gaymanprou...@yahoo.co.in wrote: From: Deep gaymanprou...@yahoo.co.in Subject: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 10:33 PM Salil I post these serious articles when I get to see them during my sojourns on the Net. I am acutely aware that some of these studies would rouse people's wrath on this forum. But that, after all, is the purpose of having this mailing list. Life would be boring if we all kept harping on the same old threads and agreeing with each other. I like to provoke discussions - I guess I shall get brickbats along the way, but that adds to the excitement. What do you think? Deep http://gaynotes. blogspot. com/ --- In gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com, Manoj Zeus200477@ ... wrote: righto Salil  Also considering the fact that China + south east asia + India total to more than 60% of world population, the world average or 'international standard' (in length) should be lower and not higher . simple ganeet :-)  The difference in girth is the only thing that would really really matter for this specific case (for any thing more than approx 2 inches probably).  does longer = thicker? ... maybe so many times .but not always as any true blooded connoisseur of penises will tell you   :-D  Manoj. --- On Wed, 30/12/09, Salil salilmumbai@ ... wrote: From: Salil salilmumbai@ ... Subject: Re: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men To: gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 12:53 AM  Deep, This is a three year old study - I wonder why you suddenly felt like posting it to the list. The study was reported widely, I would have read it in one of the mainstream Indian newspapers rather than the BBC. The idea of shorter condoms seems to have thereafter disappeared without impact. In any case, though I would like to believe the ICMR knows what its doing, I see too many flaws in the study, at least as reported. The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms. Comment : By definition, half the population is on each side of any average. So if condoms are made for the average size, half of all men should be shorter - and the other half longer ! Since the condom is meant to accomodate larger than average size penises, it is bound to be made larger than what would be perfect for the average penis length. Thus, it follows that much more than half the population would find them large. In any case, they are to be rolled up at the base, so I don't see what point is being made. about 60% of Indian men have penises which are between three and five centimetres shorter than international standards used in condom manufacture Comment : Unless there is a comparison with how penises in at least one other country measure up, this is a meaningless statement. If I understand correctly, condoms are longer than required by design ! The issue is serious because about one in every five times a condom is used in India it either falls off or tears, an extremely high failure rate. Comment : It is difficult to understand how extra length can make a condom fall off or tear. I would guess that lack of access to water-based lubricants and lack of information on proper use of a condom would be significant contributors to condoms tearing and falling off, respectively. By definition if a condom is too long and therefore (correctly) rolled up at the base, it is tighter, not looser ! The correct measure , when investigating slippage, would be condom circumference - which the report does not seem to have measured. And the country already has the highest number of HIV infections of any nation This statistic was deemed correct when the study was completed in 2006, but the current UNAIDS numbers, post the recent correction in the Indian statistics, is ~ 2.5 million infections in India as compared to ~ 5.7 million infections in South Africa. Not that its a contest score, but thought it important to set the record straight on this dated article. Cheers Salil --- On Tue, 29/12/09, Deep gaymanproud31@ yahoo.co. in wrote: From: Deep gaymanproud31@ yahoo.co. in Subject: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men To: gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Tuesday, 29 December, 2009, 11:15 PM  Condoms 'too big' for Indian men By Damian Grammaticus BBC News, Delhi A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men. The study found that more than half of the men
Re: g_b The GayBombay New Year's Eve Party at Karma! This Thursday Nite - 31 Dec 09
But I thought Vikram wrote to the list saying arrangements are being done for acepting credit cards this time around ? From: Dee luvde...@yahoo.com Subject: g_b The GayBombay New Year's Eve Party at Karma! This Thursday Nite - 31 Dec 09 To: darpa...@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 12:02 AM The GayBombay New Year's Eve Party at Karma! This Thursday Nite - 31 Dec 09 Still wondering how to get the new decade started? If you’re hot, hap-pening, there’s only one place to be - at Karma for the GayBombay New Year’s Eve party! As the thousands of people who have been a part of the event over the years will tell you, there's nothing quite like it. The biggest party on GB's crowded annual calendar is also one of India's biggest gay events, drawing party animals from every part of the world. And this is an especially important event for the GB organisers - this New Year party is also GB's 200th party! Karma makes for the ideal party venue on New Years, when people are out in numbers. Through the night, if you need a little break from the excitement of the large dance floor, you can chill a while on the sofas in the spacious showroom area for some nourishment. Food and drink are unlimited, unless, you want something off the menu, like a glass of wine or a breezer. And the music goes on till the wee hours of the morning, so you can dance till you drop. In view of the large numbers who come for the New Years Party, the Liquid Lounge management has agreed to give us two floors! So usually for the New Years party we take over the whole ground floor, but this year we will take over the whole first floor (where we usually have our parties) AND the showroom area on the right on the ground floor wherethe buffet is laid out. So at one stroke we hugely increase the space. And all this for Rs2000 for unlimited food and alcohol which really has to be one of the best deals for a party in a decent place almost anywhere in town. Make sure you're there to celebrate GB's 200th party this New Year's Eve! Don’t let the coming of a new decade pass you by. Come on over and celebrate with the GB crowd on New Years Eve. We promise you, it will be a night to remember. Date: Thursday – 31st December 2009 Time: 9 pm to 4 am Cover Charge: Rs 2000/- (to defray the expenses of the party) (Please note “ NO CREDIT CARDS) The Cover Charge includes: Unlimited Soft Drinks, Mocktail, Unlimited Alcohol of the following types - Whisky, Gin, Vodka, White Rum, Dark Rum Beer. Starters (served from 10 pm to 1 am). Dinner and Dessert (served from 12 midnight to 3 am). The Cover Charge DOES NOT include the following but would be available for a price as mentioned: Bacardi Breezers Rs 150 Tequila shots Rs 200 Wines Indian Rs 300 per glass Juices Rs 60/- Tonic/Diet Coke Rs 60/- Mineral Water Rs 60/- Venue: Karma Sukh Sagar, 534 S.V.P. Road , Mumbai 47. (Near Girgaum Chowpatty and Opera House; opposite Standard Chartered Bank. Charni Road is the closest station). Please note that you have to be above the age of 21 to attend GayBombay parties. Please carry proof of age with you: a driving license, college identity card, etc. YOU WILL NOT BE ADMITTED IF YOU ARE BELOW THE AGE OF 21! Menu @ Karma for the New Years Eve Party Dinner and Dessert (served from 12 midnight to 3 am). UNLIMITED MENU UNLIMITED Starters Paneer Tikka Multani Jalapeno Poppers Banjara Murgh Kebabs Amritsari Fish Fingers UNLIMITED Salads Thai Noodle Salad Russian Salad Herbed Garlic Potato Salad UNLIMITED Main Course Ricotta Quenelles Kung Pao Vegetables Chicken Thai Red Curry Roast Chicken in Barbeque Sauce with Roast Potatoes Yellow Dal Tadka Steamed Rice Assorted Bread Rolls UNLIMITED Desserts Mississippi Mud Pie with Vanilla Ice-Cream Assorted Cheese Cakes - Some don'ts: GB, as a support group, has created this comfort/safe space for gays. Many people at the event may be newbies (those still coming to terms with their sexuality and/or those who have mustered the courage to come to such an event for the first time). We request you to be Sensitive to the comfort levels of others and to behave and dress accordingly. Use of any illegal substance is strictly prohibited. No dark rooms and no sex on the premises; if found indulging in any hanky panky you shall be asked to leave the party. Strictly NO Smoking on the premises A special REQUEST: During and after the party please DO NOT gather outside the venue. The management has requested us to ensure that, in the middle of the night, the peace of the neighbourhood is not disturbed. - A few dos: Have a smashing time. Carry your Alcoholic Drinks Permit. This event is organized by: http://www.gaybomba y.org Right of admission reserved. The INTERNET now
Re: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men
Deep, This is a three year old study - I wonder why you suddenly felt like posting it to the list. The study was reported widely, I would have read it in one of the mainstream Indian newspapers rather than the BBC. The idea of shorter condoms seems to have thereafter disappeared without impact. In any case, though I would like to believe the ICMR knows what its doing, I see too many flaws in the study, at least as reported. The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms. Comment : By definition, half the population is on each side of any average. So if condoms are made for the average size, half of all men should be shorter - and the other half longer ! Since the condom is meant to accomodate larger than average size penises, it is bound to be made larger than what would be perfect for the average penis length. Thus, it follows that much more than half the population would find them large. In any case, they are to be rolled up at the base, so I don't see what point is being made. about 60% of Indian men have penises which are between three and five centimetres shorter than international standards used in condom manufacture Comment : Unless there is a comparison with how penises in at least one other country measure up, this is a meaningless statement. If I understand correctly, condoms are longer than required by design ! The issue is serious because about one in every five times a condom is used in India it either falls off or tears, an extremely high failure rate. Comment : It is difficult to understand how extra length can make a condom fall off or tear. I would guess that lack of access to water-based lubricants and lack of information on proper use of a condom would be significant contributors to condoms tearing and falling off, respectively. By definition if a condom is too long and therefore (correctly) rolled up at the base, it is tighter, not looser ! The correct measure , when investigating slippage, would be condom circumference - which the report does not seem to have measured. And the country already has the highest number of HIV infections of any nation This statistic was deemed correct when the study was completed in 2006, but the current UNAIDS numbers, post the recent correction in the Indian statistics, is ~ 2.5 million infections in India as compared to ~ 5.7 million infections in South Africa. Not that its a contest score, but thought it important to set the record straight on this dated article. Cheers Salil --- On Tue, 29/12/09, Deep gaymanprou...@yahoo.co.in wrote: From: Deep gaymanprou...@yahoo.co.in Subject: g_b BBC News: Condoms too big for Indian men To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 29 December, 2009, 11:15 PM Condoms 'too big' for Indian men By Damian Grammaticus BBC News, Delhi A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men. The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms. It has led to a call for condoms of mixed sizes to be made more widely available in India. The two-year study was carried out by the Indian Council of Medical Research. Over 1,200 volunteers from the length and breadth of the country had their penises measured precisely, down to the last millimetre. The scientists even checked their sample was representative of India as a whole in terms of class, religion and urban and rural dwellers. It's not size, it's what you do with it that matters Sunil Mehra The conclusion of all this scientific endeavour is that about 60% of Indian men have penises which are between three and five
Re: g_b Model Wars! Jan 10, 2009; Safe PICS for all ages, Rated G
I was not complaining ! From: Salil salilmum...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: g_b Model Wars! Jan 10, 2009; Safe PICS for all ages, Rated G To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 7:46 PM Pic 7 is definitely not rated G ! --- grrr.. ouch... i withdraw pic 7 with retrospective effect moderator Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
g_b gay is the most frequent abuse in schools
The word gay is now the most frequently used term of abuse in schools, says a report. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7289390.stm Cheers Salil All men are gay until proven innocent - Boy George Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
g_b PTI :Pakistani gay finds love across the border
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080071920 Pakistani gay finds love across the border Press Trust of India Sunday, November 09, 2008, (Islamabad) The issue of legalizing homosexuality has led to heated arguments in the corridors of power in New Delhi, but that hasn't stopped a Pakistani gay from professing his love for an Indian man. A middle-class accounting student from Lahore, who founded a website called 'Pakistan Gays' two years ago for homosexuals, says he is in love with an Indian man he met on the Internet. Yet he harbours no hope of living in a gay relationship in either Pakistan or India where homosexuality is illegal and tolerance for gays low. It is difficult to be homosexual in Pakistan...because you always fear that if the people around you knew about your sexuality, what bad feelings they would have about you. We think that we are born this way, but still we feel we are doing wrong, said the 22-year-old, who spoke to the Boston Globe on condition of anonymity. The accounting student, who runs the paid website from Internet cafes so his family doesn't find out, has signed up about 600 members of whom 302 have identified themselves as gay, 241 as bisexual and the rest as transgender. Homosexuality is a crime punishable by whipping, imprisonment or even death in Pakistan. However, the report in the Boston Globe said, But across all classes and social groups, men have sex with men. In villages throughout the country, young boys are often forcibly 'taken' by older men, starting a cycle of abuse and revenge that social activists and observers say is the common pattern of homosexual sex in Pakistan. Often these boys move to the cities and become prostitutes. Most people know it happens from the police to the wives of the men involved. But not all of Pakistan's gays are leading anonymous lives. Faisal Alam, a Pakistani American founded Al-Fatiha Foundation, a Washington-based organisation for gay and lesbian Muslims, in 1998. Closer home, 27-year-old banker Jalaluddin Ahmed Khan has launched a blog to voice the angst of the gay community, which is forced to lead a hush-hush life as same sex relationships are illegal in Pakistan. Khan describes himself as a psychotic, sarcastic and socialist blogger from Karachi who writes about the vibrant gay life in the southern port city and in Pakistan, and invites people looking for gay love to join him in the virtual world. Homosexuality is religiously unacceptable in Pakistan. Homosexuality is socially unacceptable in Pakistan. (But) Homosexuality is an entrenched cultural truth in Pakistani history. And in Pakistani life today, Khan wrote about the hypocritical attitude towards gays in his blog Tuzk-e-Jalali. As long as people are quiet about it and pursue homosexual desires before or after marriage and are not caught in the act, it is OK. Men are allowed incredible leeway in their sexual pursuits as long as they are not discovered, he wrote. Khan feels Karachi is the city where homosexuality finds the most social acceptance. Peshawar and Quetta are cities where acceptance of pederasty and the homosexual act are considered normal but any open avowal of this would not be acceptable to anyone. In contrast, in Karachi people might still accept you for being a homosexual. Khan, who claims most Pakistani homosexuals are forced to marry and that some lead active gay lives post-marriage, detailed in a long post his parents' reaction when he told them he was gay and decided to call off his engagement. I am gay. I have told my father, mother and sisters about it. They find it disgusting, wrong and morally corrupt. They are not ready to accept that I am gay...I want to be gay. I want to live a life of my choosing. That is not possible if I live with my parents like all other normal Pakistani guys, he wrote. Khan says there are hardly any cruising spots for gays in Pakistan unlike other parts of the world -- (therefore) beach parties and farm house parties are quite common because of the secluded location. But the plus side, according to Khan, is that Pakistan's gay community is not divided into strong sub-groups like in the rest of the world. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
g_b Re: gb Happy new year
Asfan, I have been brought up thinking that the Parsi new year is called both Pateti and Navroze, and is a single day whose chief import for non-Parsis is a free holiday. Can you please educate us on the difference between Pateti and Navroze ? I suppose I could get an answer if I googled for it, but then I would rather get it on this list. Thanks Salil --- On Sun, 17/8/08, asfan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: asfan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: gb Happy new year To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 17 August, 2008, 8:29 AM Wishing all Zoroastrians and the whole wide world a very happy Pateti (18th) and a very happy Navroze (19th). May the coming new year see the repeal of 377. Amen. Love, Asfan. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
g_b Mails on this group are public ??
Ketan Before I say anything else let me say you do a great job moderating this list and lots of us respect that a lot. However I just realised that all the mails written to the gay_bombay yahoogroup are available without being a group member (and even without having any yahoo id whatsoever) by simply going to mail-archive.com, for example the following address : http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/index.html#13666 I may be wrong but I do not remember being cautioned that what I post on this list will be mirrored to a completely public mail archive that can be easily found with a Google search.I feel cheated ! Are you aware of this archive - if it is being run without your authorization is there something you can do to stop it ? If you have authorized it or run it yourselves, can you please tell us why this is being done ? I am not comfortable with this situation and will not post to this group unless there is a solution that respects privacy and safe space. I believe there will be more members who will feel as upset as I do. Thanks, Salil === Some half a decade ago, Yahoo had made an annoucement about removing old emails/pics. also, much before you started writing , gaybombay list had been deleted by yahoo. it was then that some of us realised that we were at the mercy of yahoo as lists just disappared in good old days of egroups/yahoo. i remember when gaybombay was struck off from the internet for some mysterious reasons, it took days and weeks of intense lobbying by vikram and many others with the higher ups of the yahoo to restore the list. i took the decision that this list should not be at the mercy of yahoo which is known to have arbitrarily struck off hundreds of egroups/yahoogroups without so much of a notice. dazed by this many groups started subscribing to privately run egroups that charge--- like lyris and so on. when gaybombay was removed from internet, some leading lights of the group decided to archive the list on their respective hard disks/computers. i remember the task was divided among members .. so and so did so and so month/year. imagine archiving thousands of messages! it was then that i decided to let mail archives do the job. a rich legacy of messages, thoughts and the life and times of hundreds of emails cannot be left at the mercy of yahoogroup adminstration, however great they are the archival is run by stanford graduates and they do it is a matter of public service. the faqs of this service can be accessed at http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#privacy. if you read the homepage of gay_bombay group it very clearly states the archives link as does the web site.(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/) yes it easier to read the messages of this group on the archive . you hav a rss feed as well but then it is not terribly complex for anyone to read any message of any yahoo group on the internet. for those who want to access archives all you have to do is become the group member and hey presto you can read messages. cheers moderator
Re: g_b Mails on this group are public ??
Ketan, Thanks for all that information, but it doesn't address my concern, which is privacy. You are correct in saying that the link to the archive is mentioned on the group home page but nowhere does it say that the archive is publicly accessible though the yahoo group is not. I am not sure whether members realize that all the emails they send to this group are just a Google search away from non-members. It is certainly not made clear when one signs up, and since the group home page does not show messages to non-members, it lulls us into a sense that the list is not publicly readable. I can think right away of messages I have sent to this list which I would probably have not sent if I knew this. Other than plain squeamishness at being googled, there is also the concern over getting spammed at the email address one uses on this list - while the email address is not displayed on the archive, there is a button provided to email the writer of the email, and this opens a compose email box in my email client, with the email address of the person shown in it ! This is a very very insecure system, though the archivers chose to call it secure. Does the mail-archive not allow you to restrict access to the archive - why would you want it to be accessible to non-members if your intention is to create just a memory backup not create a mirror site ? Incidentally its odd that you arbitrarily assume that I started writing after the gb list disappearance drama happened - I had been writing for quite a few years when that happened. Cheers Salil Here is what the archive people claim What is your privacy policy? The Mail Archive does not solicit personal information, does not try to identify individual visitors, and does not send out junk email. We comply with internet standard email headers which restrict or prohibit archiving. System logs record server activity, including IP addresses of visiting computers. These logs are stored for a limited time (less than 90 days) and used for troubleshooting, aggregate statistics, and performance tuning only. Questions regarding privacy issues should be sent to the support team. See also Can I delete a message from the archive? What about spamming? Do not send unsolicited commercial email to any mailing list or individual in the archive. Spamming is expressly forbidden, and also illegal. The service is based in California, USA which has anti-spam laws, including California Penal Code Section 502 (added by Assembly Bill 1629 (1998), approved by Governor September 26, 1998), California Business and Professions Code, Division 7, Part 3, Chapter 1, Article 1.8 (added by S.B 186 (2003), approved September 23, 2003). We consider spammers a very serious threat to mailing lists, archiving and internet communication in general. The Mail Archive despises spam and will never send unsolicited email to any list or list member for any reason. The Mail Archive utilizes two levels of electronic countermeasures to prevent spam incidents. First, we explicitly block spam harvesting robots (spambots) from accessing our server. We deny access, at the server level, for any software that matches the browser ID of a known spambot. Our second line of defense is to make sure that the web pages themselves are spambot resistant. We do not use any unshielded mailto: hyperlinks, email addresses and we strip out, scramble, or obfuscate email addresses from message headers and bodies. Yet we still provide a way for people to reply to an archived message, using their regular email software. This feat is achieved with a special POST protected CGI gateway which returns a mailto: URL to the user agent. This technique is extremely effective in blocking generic spam harvesting robots; for more information, see Mullane's Spambot Beware guide. The effectiveness of our spam-blocking preventative measures are monitored by spambot trap addresses like [EMAIL PROTECTED] and many others. Despite all these steps, recognize that any time an email address is exposed on the internet, obfuscated or otherwise, spammers could potentially abuse it. Open mailing lists are vulnerable to spam attacks. Thus there is some risk associated with using The Mail Archive, and we do not assume any legal liability for spammers. Suggestions or feedback regarding privacy or anti-spamming enhancements are appreciated. and the archives are public. but then as i said, even without this archives, anyone can read any message of any yahoo group by subscribing. and i stand corrected if you were around some seven years ago and writing. my memory is not what it used to be:) regards moderator
Re: g_b spelt vs spelled
British English may be a funny language, but sometimes one would rather prefer spelt over spelled. Just try revising spelt doom to spelled doom - the former sounds right - but then maybe its all about what you learnt when you were a kid. Salil All men are gay until proven innocent - Boy George --- On Wed, 13/8/08, Bloot Fontaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bloot Fontaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: g_b spelt vs spelled To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008, 12:59 PM I suppose that was to me? No, British English which we studied way back in 1970 accepts spelt. I don't know if the American English nowadays does not accept spelt. No, I wrote and meant spelt. Thanks for reading and for responding! Regards. --- On Mon, 11/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] com [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: Re: g_b Re:Hi Guys, To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Monday, 11 August, 2008, 9:56 PM Well, my dear I think you meant spelled, not spelt!! Gordon Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Go to http://in.webmessenger.yahoo.com/
Re: g_b Any Professional Photographer here?
You are likely to get a chain of mails this time too - but these would be mostly off the list, begging you to let them attend the photoshoots and fluff the models ! Salil --- On Wed, 13/8/08, Tintin Mumbai India [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tintin Mumbai India [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: g_b Any Professional Photographer here? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], B G [EMAIL PROTECTED], gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008, 8:23 PM Hi, Hope this mail of mine does not trigger another chain of mails. I have a friend, a straight guy, who is photographer. He is inexperienced photographer, as much as assignments are concerned. But he is full of enthusiasm and ideas and imaginations. I am open to him and he also knows that I am member of some gay groups, hence he wanted some help from me. He has got some assignments from some aspiring models and the assignments are mostly clicking them in sensual way, some topless or some nudes even... (with light arrangements to hide their faces or privates..) Being a new comer, he is little worried about indian laws about photography and publishing them. So he wanted to know, if clicking nudes of a male and publishing them (or keeping them with him) is an issue as per the law. The reason to ask the query here is, the assignments are mostly for male pictures, and mostly sensual in nature, nude or semi nude... If anyone can provide some information, it would be great help. A. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
Re: g_b Gujarat campus takes a 'gay' turn
Sorry for the crossposting. Do we have someone in Ahmedabad or do we otherwise have any way of reaching and engaging this psychiatrist who considers homosexuality to be pathological ? (note - for the reference of those who will need to refer the dictionary , pathological means abnormal and resulting from disease) cheers Salil naughty confessions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The youth are basically getting more experimental. Most of the homosexual encounters in the young have roots in experiments and not in pathological homosexuality, says psychiatrist Hansal Bhachech. All men are gay until proven innocent - Boy George - Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now
Re: g_b Re: bong and ghati
Aditya, Kaps, at least both of you use the same wrong spelling of abbreviation. See, its not that you agree on nothing ! Cheers S kaps k [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DADA (abbreveation of Der Aaye Durust Aaye.) Aditya Bondyopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe not over reacting. I think all parties here are just scoring silly points. Thanks for the mail S. (S is abbreveation for Salil). Made me realise engaging in this is a waste of time. Best, Aditya B On 25/02/2008, Salil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of my bong friends have a problem with the word bong - its supposed to be an abbreviation for bangla or bengalee. I am open to being educated otherwise. Ghaati was originally not a derogatory term, it simply meant people from the western ghaats. Perhaps all parties are over reacting here ? Cheers Salil - Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how.
g_b Re: bong and ghati
None of my bong friends have a problem with the word bong - its supposed to be an abbreviation for bangla or bengalee. I am open to being educated otherwise. Ghaati was originally not a derogatory term, it simply meant people from the western ghaats. Perhaps all parties are over reacting here ? Cheers Salil Aditya Bondyopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Opaque, KK, Could you please reciprocate civility when you are receiving it yourself. I say Maharashtrian when I refer to people from that state, I do not use terms like 'ghati' or other derogatory terms. Similarly I am sure you can say Bengali, instead of Bong. But then these are sentiments that can come to 'open' people who care about these things, not to nameless opaques, who spout politics without having the guts to even state their names. For suchlikes, I am sure the impersonal and abusive is the political, from behind that haze of a safe internet. Kudos, keep it up. Best, Aditya B On 19/02/2008, kaps k [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear aditya, it is good to know that u protested on these 2 issues somewhere, if at all u really did. anything out of this list can not be considered for discussion here. so naturally my guesses can not be termed as unfounded. maybe finding smallest faults of others while covering one's own is one of the traits of your kind..and it is a bong trait i guess. kaps k Aditya Bondyopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear opaque Kaps K, And how exactly do you know that I kept Mum on those issues? In case you are capable of elevating your self from your Maharashtrian parochialism, do please be informed that I did not keep mum. It may not have been on this listserve, but I did protest, incidentally on these two very issues that you mentioned, amongst others. Maybe jumping to unfounded conclusions is another trait of your kind. Is it 'Maharashtrian'? - Aditya B On 18/02/2008, kaps k [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that is the usual gimmik of this bando..., dear angel, when biharis are killed in assam he keeps mum...when farmers get kicked in nandigram he keep mum...all his heroics emerge out only when local maharashtrians are fighting for their cause. Android Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite interesting and surprising! R u here for anti-MNS ralley or some usual grooming u do always? I think you are getting pissed off by goondas over gay issue? Angel Aditya Bondyopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rohan, Living in Mumbai as you do, please do not say such things like you are basically from Delhi, when you write on a public list. Next thing you know, you will be picked up and thrashed by the latest goonda of Mumbai, a guy named Raj Thakeray. Anyways, hope you settle down soon, learn to speak Marathi, change your name to Rohan Vermakar, and get lots of friends. In that order. Its the new survival kit for those from North India, where alien places like Delhi are located. Welcome to Mumbai. Best regards Aditya Bondyopadhyay On 15/02/2008, rohan varma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi there, This is Rohan here from Mumbai. I am new here, shifted for job. Basically from Delhi. Really liked Mumbai culture, people here their helping nature. Looking out for good friends for hangout much more. About me, I am 24 yrs old with 5'8 ht, 63kg wt, 30 waist line, very fair skin color, smooth toned body and quite cute looking face. I work in a MNC as an executive. Guys who find my profile interesting or want to know more about me can mail me back on this ID. Hope to see u soon. Till then, Bye and Take care. - 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Click here. You are managing the gay_bombay group through Grouply. You subscribe to individual emails for this group. | Update your Subscription settings 2 messages in this conversation, including this one | Add a comment View this message on Grouply so you can rate, tag, bookmark, and see what others thi nk about it. Lawn Garden on Yahoo! Groups For all things green and growing. Check out the Y! Groups blog Stay up to speed on all things Groups! Special K Group on Yahoo! Groups Learn how others are losing pounds. -- Aditya Bondyopadhyay - Share files, take polls, and discuss your passions - all under one roof. Click here. - Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. You are managing the gay_bombay group through Grouply. You subscribe to individual emails for this group. | Update your Subscription settings 11 messages in this conversation, including this one | Add a comment View this message on Grouply so you can rate, tag, bookmark, and see what others th ink about it. Dog Groups on Yahoo
g_b DNA article on higher fines under 377
Just came across the following article in today's DNA, it's on page 5 in the print version and at the following online page. It says magistrates in Maharashtra can now impose higher fines than before on a slew of offences, including a specific mention of 377. Look forward to comments on this from knowledgeable people on the lists. cheers salil http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1136874 Now, magistrates can fine up to Rs10k Anshika Misra Monday, December 03, 2007 03:40 IST MUMBAI: Committing offences like cheating, bigamy, torturing a married woman or having unnatural sex, just got costlier. The state has enhanced the power of a magistrate to impose fines on offenders found guilty of such crimes. A recent amendment carried out in the Code of Criminal Procedure (CrPC) has increased the maximum fine amount that a magistrate (first class) can impose on offenders from Rs10,000 to Rs50,000. The cap on the maximum fine that a magistrate of second class can impose while convicting an offender has been raised from Rs5000 to Rs10,000. Though the CrPC is a Central Act, states are empowered to carry out amendments to suit their needs. The Maharashtra amendment came into effect from October 1, 2007, after it was published in the states official gazette. Lawyers feel that enhancing the power of a magistrate to impose fines would have a deterrent effect the on society. One of the ways to check a rising crime graph is to enhance the penalty for such offences. A bigger pinch on wallet will definitely act as a deterrent, senior criminal lawyer Shyam Keswani said. While deciding the fate of an accused, a magistrate is empowered to impose a maximum punishment of imprisonment up to seven years. Offences triable by a magistrate include bribery, giving false evidence in court, causing death by rash and negligent act, bigamy, cheating a woman to believe that she is lawfully married, etc. Offenders booked for having unnatural sex under IPC Section 377, the controversial section which the homosexual community wants scrapped, are also put on trial before a magistrate. Offences which carry a higher imprisonment term are tried by the sessions court or high court. Advocate Rohini Salian, who has been a special public prosecutor in several high-profile criminal cases, said that an enhanced fine amount could also be used to provide compensation to victims. Imposing fine is a discretionary power of a magistrate, she said. While sentencing an offender to imprisonment has a retributive effect, the magistrate can set aside a portion of the fine amount to financially compensate a victim, she added. - Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.
Re: Fwd: g_b GLBT workplace issues in India Inc.
Sameer, You could have a better response if you care to introduce yourself and your survey in your emails more credibly, instead of making vague statements about how the survey shall be useful, being aggressive and admonishing people for not getting interested . The readers on this list do not know who you are, what work you do, whether you are associated with a reputable institute that should inspire trust in your promise of confidentiality, why you need to do this research, where the information collected will be sent or revealed, and the expected actions from this research. Having done some survey work at some point in my career, I can safely say you need to learn more about how to create interest in your respondents ! Best wishes and regards, Salil Just me [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have not already filled in this survey please do so. So far I only got 10 responses to the survey and I am sure there is more of our community than 10 people. If you are working in India currently, this is the survey you should fill out. Whole survey is confidential and nowhere your identity will be known or revealed. Your input is going to make a difference. Let me know if any questions or if there are any other listserves I should send the survey to. Thanks, Sameer Note: forwarded message attached. Recent Activity 17 New Members Visit Your Group Yoga Resources on Yahoo! Groups Take the stress out of your life. Best of Y! Groups Check out the best of what Yahoo! Groups has to offer. Yahoo! Groups Find Green Groups Share with others Help the Planet. . To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Just me [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: g_b GLBT workplace issues in India Inc. Dear All, Currently I am working on an independent research paper on the topic of GLBT workplace issues in India. I have designed a small survey to get responses from our community on this topic. So if you are working in India, please take some time to complete this survey. It will not take more than 15 minutes of your time. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=Zr1BL8X3UPVSYuv0fiQiVw_3d_3d Getting this data will be helpful to analyze workplace issues faced by GLBT community in India Inc. I will be sharing my results with the group once the research is finished. Also, please let me know if there are any other lists I should submit this survey to for getting more responses. Thanks much, Sameer - Once upon a time there was 1 GB storage in your inbox. Click here for happy ending.
Re: g_b Caught red handed
I am a bit uncomfortable with the judgmental thread running through the responses to the guy who got beaten up by a straight man he groped in the train. Why can't we let the guy just be, instead of telling him that he deserved it since he chose his risk - he was hardly justifying himself in the first place. All he was saying was that its important to not be careless, which is the message that others seem to be wanting to get across anyway. Cheers Salil - Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here
Re: g_b Re:Caught red handed
Floris A dear friend of mine sent me a load of pix from your gay pride of last week, I must say that it was surely a blast ! We hope one day we will have something like that in India, where we feel liberated enough to have a pride carnival instead of a pride protest march. Cheers Salil H.Frieling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi This is Floris from Amsterdam. I am since long a member of 'Gay-Bombay (I love Mumbai) and mostly read the discussions quickly. I never posted anything here . I wonder why some of you are so unfriendly to each other. Life for gay people is already so difficult in India. You should help and support each other more. Greeting from sunny Amsterdam where we had our Gay Pride in the canals last weekend. Floris Recent Activity 25 New Members Visit Your Group Find Enlightenment Yoga groups and resources on Yahoo! Groups. Real Food Group Share recipes, restaurant ratings and favorite meals. Yahoo! 360° Start Now Your place online Share with friends . - 5, 50, 500, 5000. Store N number of mails in your inbox. Click here.
Re: g_b Re:Caught red handed
Yes, in fact I am sure that the original email from Abhay would have done far more good to far more members than all that we have all written about it thereafter ! cheers salil azhagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor Abhay. He only wanted to share his bad experience within the community and caution others. Look what he is getting as a response.. People do learn from their experience and also from other's experience. That is the whole purpose of writing his exeperience.If U can not apprericate it fine..But do not humiliate him further by calling him 'idiot' and 'animal' etc Azhagi On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 Dreamy Eyes wrote : u r an idiot... a freaking idiot... how could u try to grope one person in train just because u think that he is gay I mean r u an animal yep u did put the image of the whole community in shame.. already ppl think that its a disease and u just added fuel to that fire... seriously Mr. u did a nasty job... - - Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how.
Re: g_b Caught red handed
Manoj, I partly disagree - you are saying that gay men in Mumbai who have been blackmailed etc. when cruising, all thought they had been careful enough. This is fallacious. I remember hearing and reading of a number of incidents on these lists where the gay victim was simply ignorant of the need to be careful, and/or ignorant of the existence of organised crime against gays (as against spontaneous violence) and/or he took risks because that was the only way he saw of getting laid. Also, I think its stretching it too far to think that Anon wants to have a GB meet to discuss in general the problems gay people face with public cruising. He wants to discuss the problem gay men face in differentiating gay and straight men in a train. Its a limited focus, and doesn't sound like the kind of thing GB would want to get into ! But then I mean that from a practical point of view, and not from being judgmental about train cruising - in fact, before we get judgmental about train cruising, let us remember that giving tips to gay men to be careful when cruising in trains is a better idea than having gay men beaten up. Those who want to cruise will cruise anyway, its just a matter of whether its done safely or dangerously. Moralising will not help. Sensitising them to the rights of straight men will not help. Cautioning them about the risk of getting beaten up, might help. As the poor guy said to start with, he learnt his lesson the hard way and was just reporting it to the group. Cheers Salil Manoj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Anon, Well meanng but misplaced sympathies? I am not the person to answer if there wud be a meet on the topic u have suggested, but the way i see it , this is a topic on whether to cruise or not to cruise in public places in the first places and can it ever be safe -- India or elsewhere? There may be safeguards and safety tips, but all those till date who have been blackmailed or got hit by people or bashed up have all thought they are playing safe till the hit came --right naa? Manoj Anon Anon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Abhay, I do understand while travelling in trains we guys can't stop urself frm crusing guys with out knwing weither he is the one or nt,and secondly people do talk ant thier experiences tht they had in train hence also wanna to have the same. I don't think this is worng but Abhay pls understand thing thier are some basic things tht we had to keep in mind before crusing any guy/men in train don't worry i am going to list them in the group bt please be carefulll. U were very luck to just hd have bash frm homophobic people thier are other things which are happing and i think group should knw they are now a days cops are also in the compartment and they are in group and they ewncourage it first bt later they get down with u and start thier routine work oher is thier are even cheaters in train and u all knw wht happens whn u fall in thier hands. I always wanted to make group aware bt was looking for right time and Abhay your case hd gave me tht thing hence i would like to request to moderater or responsable authorities who plan meeting can we have special meeting for Problems face by gay in Train cruing the reason i saying is that i have given counselling to many freinds of mine abt this thing and hence they are nt facing any such problems. I am nt saying i will give tips for save crusing in tarin i knw GB is nt for all this bt i wanna peolpe aware whts happing in trains now a days. I hope u will consider my request as u will fine many people r found of travelling in 2x2 and they have to be aware abt things. Anyways Abhay u can get in touch with me my mail if wanna any help frm my side. Thx Well wisher of GB Guys. Hello Everybody, Last weekend I had experience which is a nightmare for any gay. I was travelling by train, wherein I looked at this guy who I thought was a gay, when I started making inroads by touching his thighs.. I got heavely beaten in front of all passengers. I dont know whether I feel ashamed of myself or am I among the people who are making the gay community more vulnarable to homophobic people by my acts. Certainly I did learnt lesson, the hard way. Take Care. Abhay - Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now
Re: g_b I will write
Suhail, 1. Aditya's email said DON'T become a doormat. If you had read carefully you would not have misunderstood, neither felt hurt, nor reacted like this. 2. Please actually send me the link for any one of the internet surveys you have seen about gay LTRs. I want to read the results which you claim are very clear that they don't work or are not common. My experience has been different. 3. Your language is not harsh, what irritates is that you try to pass of your personal opinions as facts without any basis, but write pagelong tearful dramas if anyone dares to give you a different opinion. Refer point 2 above. 4. A normally cheerful man will say - oh you found my email long, and didn't have time, but still showed patience and read through it and then made a precis, may be you have a point about long emails, and i agree / but i disagree. The usually morose man will say what you said below - just negative and brooding drama ! Cheers (in spite of your rather morose mail!) Salil suhail khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and please dont give advices if I should turn into a doormat or something else, its not pleasent. is that a nice thing to make such references that if I turn into a doormat, it might work. Its not About the scene of LTR among gays everyone knows that, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it, goto internet and read surveys and other news on LTR among gays.. .May be the language of my e-mails is too harsh and may be thats why I end up irritating few same people all the time. ...because if you dont have time and you are concising my very long e-mail and even presenting a precis of it to me and others, then what else can I say. - Heres a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers
g_b Re: Viraf
Ketan, Vikram and others who wrote in about Viraf, I confess I only ever met him a couple of times, both on GB picnics, but remember him well for his energy, flamboyance, wit and cheerfulness. Truly he seemed to be a nice and helpful person. I and my bf share your shock and grief. Salil - Heres a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers
Re: g_b Was it my fault
Hello ssm, I do not know what to say to you about Mahesh because I have never experienced such an intense and shocking incident in my life. Your email was very touching and I felt the need to say to you, that you should not carry guilt now. When you have already felt bad for the incident that has happened, it will not help anyone i.e. you or even Mahesh up there, for you to carry guilt now. Maybe if you help some younger gay people like you have already helped your cousin, you will feel that you have done something good and it will help you to relax and forgive yourself. Also (I am sure more qualified people can correct me if I am wrong), there have to be a lot of reasons and factors that will together drive a person towards taking the extreme step of ending his life. So we should not look at such things as simple black and white or arithmetic. I am not very sure if what I have said is correct so I apologize beforehand if you or anyone else here finds it to be objectionable or wrong. Love Salil ssm ssm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I read the call for blood donation. I immediately called Ketan on Mobile, but it was not answered. Then I read the e-mail about the sad demise of Viraf D. came to know that its all over now. The incident opened the memories of my beloved friend Mahesh. I am an ordinary looking person while he was a cute handsome boy from our college group (Year 1985). (this also answers the long discussion the GB group had, only handsome guys get handsome mates) One day he opened up to me that he wanted a sexual relationship with me. This was a great shock. I was only 19 years old grown up in a small town Ichalkaranji. Man-man relationship at that time was beyond my imagination. Every time he demands I used to deny, but still we were best friends. Neither of us talked about it with our other friends. Years passed, we got jobs at different towns but still we were in contact with each other. I got married but he didnt. He was in Mumbai while I am in Alibag. He used to visit us regularly was popular among my family. 13 Dec 2004. He gave me a call, that on 15th he is becoming 40 years wants to celebrate with all old friends. On 14th I went to his residence where he stays with his mother. To my surprise I found that I was the only one invitee. That night in his bedroom he told me about GB group. HE TOLD THAT THIS GROUP HAS REMOVED THE FEELING OF LONELINESS FROM HIS LIFE. He became sentimental urged for sexual relationship. I tried to convince him that it is not possible but he insisted. He said that he as he was growing older he wanted to experience at least once. He loves me wants it from me only. I denied, tried to convince when he begged I said many bad words slapped him. The next day we found him hanging on a ceiling fan in Hall. It was his birth day. Unknowingly I have ruined his life. I went in depression for 1 month. I am sorry Mahesh. Curiously I joined the group. It was a new world to me. It cleared many of my doubts educated me about the word GAY. I enjoy reading mails shared some also. Then came the Kihim party. I registered myself. As I am from Alibag, I went directly to Dusk Villa. I was waiting to see my friends whom I have never met. They were getting late so I called Jayesh (organiser). I was so eager to met that I went to Mandwa. I saw the PNP catamaran coming, I saw the group getting down at the same time I saw my cousin in the group. He is 30 years old his marriage talks are going on at home. I hide myself. I was behind the bus (which missed the path once) on my bike. Not able to decide whether to join or not. Finally decided not to join.(Sorry Jayesh!) After few weeks I talked with my cousin who was rejecting the proposals continuously. Together we talked with his parents finally with some restrictions he was accepted as he is. This exactly is what happened. Maheshs suicide was not my fault or WAS IT? Oh I am getting in depression. How to come out of my Guilt? - - Looking for people who are YOUR TYPE? Find them here!
g_b Re: whether commitment / monogamy should be on jaime's list
Hi Rakshas (scary name, dude !) I partially disagree with you. As you rightly said, commitment and monogamy are perceived differently by different people. Hence I say that commitment = mongamy is a simplistic assumption. What really matters is what the two partners BOTH agree on as a relationship. If sexual fidelity is not felt necessary by BOTH partners, who are others to judge them. There is no evidence we have before us which says that sexual fidelity improves the chances of a relationship working. It is simply a social concept we picked up as children from the current heterosexual society. Of course if one of the partners DOES NOT agree to an open relationship but the other still insists on covertly or overtly sleeping around, then that's covered under the don'ts list as disgracing or degrading the partner, isn't it ! Cheers Salil RAK SHAS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, having read ur response to suhail's mail am happy to note the points listed. what I miss therein are words and their meaning as committment and monogamity. though these may be perceived differently my different ppl, I personally feel that they are as important as any others listed and lack of them is definately a negative drain on any longterm relationship. thanks RAKSHAS - Original Message From: hirejaime [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2007 10:53:53 AM Subject: g_b Re: every gay guy knows the scene of long-term-relationships among gays Hey Suhail, What is the scene that every gay person is supposed to know about long-term relationships. It's all a matter of when someone truly wants to settle down. My partner and I would have been together for 21 years. He died ten years ago from cancer. My two best friends will be celebrating their 15th anniversary on Sunday. We're a group of friends in our mid 40s. Things we learned about relationships, whether it be romantic or friendship, is it must built on a solid foundation; open and honest communication are essential; and learning to give positive charges Praise, agreeing with a good idea verbally. Affection Understanding, listening Open and honest expression Connection and involvement Cooperation, and listening Acceptance, tolerance Fun, humor Honor, speaking well of partner Showing positive interest Verbal tenderness Caring Forgiving spirit Validation Empathetic This is what I believe are negative drains on a relationship Criticism (attacking partner's actions) Contempt (condescending or belittling partner) Defending your option Emotional or verbal withdrawal Isolation Seeking too much control or power Disapproval of mate's uniqueness Bad moods, sulking Disgracing or degrading partner Disinterest Harshness Neglecting joy or sadness Vindictive attitude Invalidation Falsely interpreting motives or feelings Cheers! Jaime --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Salil salilmumbai@ ... wrote: Hey Suhail You imply that gay men are generally uninterested or incapable of long term relationships. This may be your experience, but please don't generalise - - Download prohibited? No problem! CHAT from any browser, without download.
g_b Re: Jaime's list of relationship dos and donts
Just writing in to say, that in this age of countless self-help and relationship books and websites mostly mediocre and sometimes silly, jaime's list below stands apart, I think many of us here with partners will love to share this list with their partners and sharing it and discussing it will by itself enrich our relationships. Thanks a ton, jaime for this succinct and level-headed list. Note : I took the liberty of crossposting this to the gaybombay list too in addition to gay_bombay, with the intention of sharing what I found to be an interesting post. I hope this is ok. Cheers Salil hirejaime [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Suhail, What is the scene that every gay person is supposed to know about long-term relationships. It's all a matter of when someone truly wants to settle down. My partner and I would have been together for 21 years. He died ten years ago from cancer. My two best friends will be celebrating their 15th anniversary on Sunday. We're a group of friends in our mid 40s. Things we learned about relationships, whether it be romantic or friendship, is it must built on a solid foundation; open and honest communication are essential; and learning to give positive charges Praise, agreeing with a good idea verbally. Affection Understanding, listening Open and honest expression Connection and involvement Cooperation, and listening Acceptance, tolerance Fun, humor Honor, speaking well of partner Showing positive interest Verbal tenderness Caring Forgiving spirit Validation Empathetic This is what I believe are negative drains on a relationship Criticism (attacking partner's actions) Contempt (condescending or belittling partner) Defending your option Emotional or verbal withdrawal Isolation Seeking too much control or power Disapproval of mate's uniqueness Bad moods, sulking Disgracing or degrading partner Disinterest Harshness Neglecting joy or sadness Vindictive attitude Invalidation Falsely interpreting motives or feelings Cheers! Jaime - Download prohibited? No problem! CHAT from any browser, without download.
g_b Re: every gay guy knows the scene of long-term-relationships among gays
Hey Suhail You imply that gay men are generally uninterested or incapable of long term relationships. This may be your experience, but please don't generalise - because by doing so you are demotivating many on this list. There are gay relationships being formed everyday - and I personally know many which are long term. For the most part (there will be exceptions) - young straight men, given the opportunity, are as promiscuous as young gay men. Conversely, older gay men, given the opportunity, are as desirous of having a long term relationship or marriage as older straight men. It is to the gay men's credit that they have these relationships in spite of society rather than with its support and strictures as straight men do. Cheers Salil suhail khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .About how stable gay relationships are and how much do gays believe in commitment and even if they do how much are they able to keep that commitment, I dont think I need to make statements on that, every gay guy knows the scene of long-term-relationships among gays. - Download prohibited? No problem! CHAT from any browser, without download.
Re: g_b The experienced people!
Suhail Try writing shorter emails. Many readers of this list ( I guess) have better things to do than to read the same sentence thrice, as it happens to appear in your email (I did read through the whole of it, only to discover that the email was long not because you had much to say, but because u repeated your lines). You could have just said - 1. Some older gay men who have been in and out of relationships don't take my views on relationships seriously, and I don't like their attitude because I think they are stubborn and mistaken in many ways. 2. my advice to all young men is that, well-taken photos increase the chances of getting gay dates. suhail khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why finding a good gay friend is not easy,because more than 50% rule you out because you refuse to have sex with them, they are of the opinion that once we have sex we will automatically be closer and will automatically become good friends which otherwise will be extremely difficult, and when I ask them Do you have a good friend who also turns out be a girl 90% answer with a yes. The guys who have been in some relationship in the past which didnt turn out right, think that they have gained experience from their past relationships and have learnt to a great extent what is life and what it means to be in a relationship, so if they talk to you they think you are stupid and when you comment on relationships they think you are even more stupid because as you have not been into one in the past you are a completely useless person to talk about it. And they know from their experience what being into a relationship means. And when you tell them that I have a clear-cut mind on what I am looking for they would say well we also had the same thinking when we were at your age to be frank thats quite ignorant of them, they were definitely not of that opinion at my age, if they would have been of that opinion at that age, first they would have known well that 20-23 is not a mature age to enter a relationship, they would have not entered into it until they were sure of everything, because I am really scared and I am not entering it because I am unsure of so many things and there are so many things I would like to ask the guy before I committ, so those who think that they were of the same opinion like me who knows what he wants then its not true. They made the mistake in the past by thinking that they are ready to enter the relationship, and when it didnt work out they still think they are right because it was important for experience, and now they think that those 24-25 year olds who have not been into a relationship are kids, because they dont know what a relationship is all about, well personally I think these people need to think little more about themselves first, How kid they were when they entered the relationship 21 year or 22 year and if a guy who is 24-25 didnt enter a relationship at 21 he according to me definitely has an edge because he knew that 21-22 is not a smart age to take such important decisions and he definitely was less a kid at 21 compared to what they were. So guys like these are first being ignorant of themselves because they always think they are right, and then they are ignorant again calling a 24-25 year old a kid because he didnt had anything in the past. So some of those above 26 years who had past relationships are experienced ones and those either at the same age or plus 24 but never had a relationship are Kids. So kids are not eligible to talk about relationships and only experienced ones have the right to talk about relationships. I think they are highly self-convinced people who dont want to take anything from those who are young and never had any past relationships. They were highly self-convinced when they entered the relationship and they still are highly self-convinced when they are out of it. I think these highly self-convinced people need to take a look at straight couples also where many guys who are 24-25 years old marry a girl and sustain the relationship forever without having any past-experience. All I have to say to these self-convinced people is that ofcourse you have gained experience and you know more than me about relationships, but it doesnt mean that I know nothing, and when you tell them that you know what it takes and you know what you want' they say I also used to think like that when I was your age for this I have to say you are 100% wrong, you never thought like that, because if you would have thought the same things which I think, you would have never entered the relationship, because I still think that until I am 25 I am not mature enough to take one of the biggest steps of my life. I dont have to taste the apple to tell its sweet there are several other ways to know it, it may not turn out to be as sweet as I had thought or it may not turn out to be even sweet, but what I know is
Re: g_b Re: APOLOGIES
Neco nata, Have some manners - the moderator is not your paid servant that you should speak in such a demanding tone. He has already apologized for letting through spam, but frankly he need not even apologize as he does this on his own time and cost and you get the service for free. If you don't like the quality of moderation you are free to leave and start your own group and see how thankless a job moderation is. I didn't ever see any email from you thanking him for the days on which spam didn't enter. Cheers Salil neco_nata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received about 30 something spam and that was not my intention when I joined this group. I hope I don't have to delete all my mail each time I log on. __._,_. - Looking for people who are YOUR TYPE? Find them here!
g_b Online dating safety tips from manjam
Hello guys, The following safety tips for dating online safely are from the website Manjam. I hadn't seen them in the couple of years that I have been a visitor to that site so I figured many others would not have seen these either ! Cheers Salil Safety Tips -10 Tips for Online Safety This service offers a fun and secure environment for meeting and relating with others online. Its also a great place to build friendships that can lead to long lasting real life relationships. Whether you decide to correspond with members online or meet members offline, please use sound judgment and be responsible for your conduct online and off. In both the virtual and real worlds, common sense is your best safety tool. Start Slow Watch out for someone who seems too good to be true. Begin by first communicating solely via email or instant messages. Be on the lookout for odd behavior or inconsistencies. Listen to your correspondents words. The person at the other end may not be who or what he/she says. Trust your instincts. If anything makes you uncomfortable, walk away for your own safety and protection. Guard Your Anonymity All correspondence with members done via the site does not reveal any personal contact information about you. Be very wary of including your last name, real email address, personal Web site URL, home address, phone number, place of work, or any other identifying information in your profile or initial emails you exchange with other members. Make sure your email signature file is turned off, or does not include identifying information, when corresponding with another member via your own email. Stop communicating with anyone who pressures you for this information or attempts in any way to trick you into revealing it. Take all the time you need to become comfortable with someone before revealing any person contact information. Ask questions and make sure you are satisfied with the answers. Trust your instincts, move cautiously and be selective. Exercise Caution and Common Sense Careful, well-thought decisions generally lead to better results. Guard against trusting the untrustworthy. Any suitor must earn your trust gradually, through consistently honorable, forthright behaviour. Your job is to take all the time you need to test for a trustworthy person, and pay careful attention along the way. Take a relatively conservative approach to trusting anyone you meet online. If you think someone is lying, it is likely that they are, so act accordingly. Move on to someone you can eventually trust. Conduct yourself in a responsible manner. Dont become prematurely intimate with someone, even if that intimacy only occurs online. Request a Photo A photo will give you a good idea of the person's appearance, which may prove helpful in achieving a gut feeling about your correspondent. In fact, its best to view several images of this person in a variety of settings: casual, formal, indoor, outdoors. If he or she continuously comes up with an excuse, it may be because that person has something to hide. Getting a photo scanned is cheap, so there is little excuse for not doing it. Talk Via Telephone A phone call can reveal much about a persons communication and social skills. It is worth the cost of the call to protect your security. But do not give out your personal phone number to a stranger. Try a mobile/cell phone number instead for added security. Or make arrangements to call from a pay phone. Only when you feel completely comfortable should you furnish your phone number. Meet When YOU Are Ready The beauty of meeting and relating online is that you can gradually collect information and then make a choice about pursuing the relationship in the real world. You are never obligated to meet anyone, regardless of your level of online intimacy. And even if you do decide to arrange a meeting, you always have the right to change your mind. Its possible that your decision to keep the relationship at the anonymous level is based on a hunch that you cant logically explain. Trust yourself. Go with your gut instincts, even when they cant be logically explained. Never meet someone who argues against your instincts, finds logical flaws
Re: g_b The Gossip
Nice parable, but unnecessarily gory, she could have just bought a bouquet ipf beautiful flowers and done the same thing ! Or better still, something completely inanimate, like bits of paper torn off a sheet of paper. cheers and with flowers for all of you salil Love is Life [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Gossip Click here to joint the group A woman repeated a bit of gossip about a neighbor. Within a few days the whole community knew the story. The person it concerned was deeply hurt and offended. Later the woman responsible for spreading the rumor learned that it was completely untrue. She was very sorry and went to a wise old sage to find out what she could do to repair the damage. Go to the marketplace, he said, and purchase a chicken, and have it killed. Then on your way home, pluck its feathers and drop them one by one along the road. Although surprised by this advice, the woman did what she was told. The next day the wise man said, Now go and collect all those feathers you dropped yesterday and bring them back to me. The woman followed the same road, but to her dismay, the wind had blown the feathers all away. After searching for hours, she returned with only three in her hand. You see, said the old sage, it's easy to drop them, but it's impossible to get them back. So it is with gossip. It doesn't take much to spread a rumor, but once you do, you can never completely undo the wrong. *** Love more cool mails click here to joint the group - Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to download CHAT? Here's a solution!
Re: g_b Re: Five expelled for gay film
Unless I have understood this incorrectly, the college authorities have clearly said that they have an objection to homosexuality too, not just nudity (in any case there is a controversy over whether the nudity was complete or partial). Why do you, me, or the public in general need to see the movie to determine if it is indecent ? The students have clarified the film was part of a film-making course and not meant for public viewing at all. These students need to be supported against institutionalised homophobia, irrespective of how many inches of skin was shown by them. Please do not sit in judgement over them, otherwise there is no difference in mentality between you and the college ! Cheers Salil guamtab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice if this film could be put online for us to see. Then we could all judge whether it is truly indecent or not. Perhaps even a posting on youtube to get world wide public opinion on the issue. Try to give the students a fair hearing. It is really hard to say one way or the other without having scene the material. --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, lgbtindiagroup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THIRUVANANTHAPURAM May 1, 2007 http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp? ID=IEO20070430161535Page=OTitle=ThiruvananthapuramTopic=0 Five expelled for gay film Tuesday May 1 2007 02:37 IST T'PURAM: At a time when the Government is keen on introducing sex education in schools, a reputed Christian college has booted out five students for making a five minute short film that explores the secret woes of homosexuals. The short film, titled Secret Minds, had put the authorities of St Joseph's College of Communications at Changanassery in Kottayam district in a fix. We teach modern technology and so we are generally open to new ideas. But this film was outrageously indecent, a senior teacher at the college told this website's newspaper. The College authorities decided on the drastic course of action after watching the short film twice and after finding the students reply to two show cause notices 'unconvincing'. The show cause notices had noted that the students had misused the campus and the hostel premises for the shoot. It also took strong exception to the 'nude act' of the performers. The film, acted by four BA (multimedia) students and directed by an MA (film and TV) student of the college, was made for a competition in an inter-college short film festival in Thiruvananthapuram. One of the students said that in making the film they had functioned well within the limits of the creative freedom granted to them by the very nature of the course. He admitted that they had acted 'partially nude' as it was required by the script. His other argument was that the film was not intended for public viewing. The film was targeted at the festival crowd. At festivals, only creativity matters and issues of morality are swept aside, he said. Now, the dismissed students have moved the Mahatma Gandhi University grievances cell against the college. - Check out what you're missing if you're not on Yahoo! Messenger
g_b Re: Please Wish Me Good Luck!!
Hi Shibu I wrote a congratulatory email some time back on this and the thought did cross my mind that I am reacting to just one side of the story. But, unless our friend is lying through his teeth about everything, this does seem to be an extreme case where one party really did act quite cruelly and that party was not the husband, Salil shibu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi sorry if i am making assumptions - dont know either walnut or his family so just posting the thoughts that came into my mind as i was reading the mail. I guess there is no way of knowing the girl's side of the story and in family conflicts its hard to say who is right and who is wrong. The girl seemd to have a reason for not wanting to marry the guy - did she realise you were gay, for instance - so actually pressurising her (my words) to do so was not the most right decision. And i can imagine the pressure on the girl to marry - especially when her would be father in law has a heart attack when she wants to break the engagement. Hve known gay friends who marry girls and end up making both their lives miserable. Let alone any consideration for the wife - have seen the guy walk off or in the worst cases stay put in the marriage and blame the wife for everythin that is wrong. cheers, shibu __._,_._ - Heres a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers
g_b Re : Please Wish Me Good Luck!! (Very long email..plz. avoid reading if you have no time)
Rahul, It must take a lot of courage to go through something like this and still get back on track. I can only say that this is a huge inspiration to other people who may get a raw deal of fate. Guys, the email was long, but please read it. Rahul, congratulations for this new beginning. I am sure everyone here wishes you the very best, and if you are ready for it, I wish you a loving new relationship. This may sound presumptuous to you, but please keep your mind open about it - the past doesn't return and we still have the right to be happy in the future ! Cheers Salil --- walnut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, Almost an year ago I had written the following email (the one at the bottom of this mail) to our GB group, and received lot of support from various members... My heartful of thanks to all those members who wished me Good Luck! Their prayers have been heard and today I am free with all my tensions , worries whatever u call it - Heres a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers
g_b Seducing straight men - @ vineet
Vineet, If he slept with you, and if you are a man, he is not straight, he is bi or gay. Thats what the words traditionally mean ! The fact that you had to seduce him with tact and subtlety just means that he did not like you right away. Cheers Salil vineet kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just use some tact and be very subtleso that things dont rebounds on u.and most of the time i succeed with flying colours(i can take a class on how to seduce a straight man and get him to bed) enjoy - Heres a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers
Re: g_b Sex trafficking in South Asia -
I wonder whether they surveyed equivalent age boys who were not in 9th grade because they never went to school ? Salil gaybombay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Sex trafficking in South Asia Sex trafficking in South Asia A 1999 Sri Lanka study among 9th grade students found that 63% could not name a single mode of HIV transmission and 75% could not identify a single method of HIV prevention. __ - Heres a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers
Re: g_b GAY guys need SEX everyday with NEW guy -that is whole fuckin TRUTH
That may be the whole fuckin truth for you, Udai - don't be so sure it is for everyone else. I would rather have sex everyday with the same guy - and if the law allows it, I will marry him today. By the way, if you mean that all gay men would ideally want to have sex with a new guy every day - are you implying that straight men don't fantasise having sex with a new girl every day ?? Come on, get a life - ask any straight man you know. This is not about being gay or straight, sex-crazed or frigid, promiscuous or faithful - it's about staying alive by being careful though non-judgmental. Cheers Salil udai anand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what ever u guys write -- but the fact is that GAY guys need SEX everyday with NEW guy -- that is whole fuckin TRUTH they dont believe in LOVE AND RELATIONSHIPS -- they always on HUNT and on the RUN for NEW GUY. we cant change them. In western society they have strict rules and law enforcemnent by the way is anyone in TORONTO for relationship:):):) doc cop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mental,homicidal and sexual perversions can be of any extent and in any combinations predicting them or analysing them is difficult hence leaving this story aside the moral and the need of the hour is TO BE CAREFUL avoid casual sex with unknown poeple in shady areas cooper - Heres a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers
Re: g_b homosexuality religions
Hi Tom While I understand there is enough literature and opinions on this topic to fill a few tomes, I think one central insight is that there is so much divergence of views on homosexuality within the adherents of any single religion, that a comparison across religions has been rendered irrelevant at best and divisive at worst ! By analogy, in statistics, there is a concept whereby you compare two groups of people and ask which group is taller, but sometimes you find that the guys in a single group vary so greatly in height, say 4'10 to 6'3, that there is no point in taking seriously a small difference in the average heights of the two groups, say 5'6 and 5'7. If this sounds like boring statistics, replace taller by more hung and height by penile size - that should make the analogy more interesting to read. and of course, if you have a fit of realism, you would have to reduce those feet to inches for the sentences to make sense :) Irreligiously yours, Cheers, Salil Tom Iliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Reading the letter in the Hindu also other things in the press recently (reactions to the gay march in Jerusalem, statements counter-statements by the Vatican, etc), I wanted to ask opinions of members: are there great - or even fundamental - differences in ways that religions view homosexuality? is(are) there religion(s) that are especially accepting or even view homosexuality on an equal basis? contrarywise, religion(s) that are particularly hostile? and finally, divergence between religion(s) per se the organized expression/insitution(s) of religion? Thanks Tom - Find out what India is talking about on - Yahoo! Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW
g_b Re: Warning for gays ..(attn Mr. Messenger)
Aman, I cant quite go along with that. I think if you read Aditya's mail literally, it is insulting to, as mentioned, two major religions. If, however you read the entire message together, the way I read it is that - if these religions, as alleged by messenger, were to actually preach hatred, they would not be worthy of being called religions, and need not be respected. Since this is not the case, one has to conclude that this fellow is not a preacher of any of these religions but is simply a misguided hate-monger. This being the case, he does not deserve to be taken seriously, and agreeing with him is out of question. I would have reacted the way you have to Aditya's mail, but I am reading this differently because of Aditya's earlier mails were he has taken the pains to explain how he feels that the large majority of followers have destroyed and insulted the original message enshrined in the teachings of the founders of these religions. Regards Salil --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, A B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aditya, Messenger dude is a hate-monger. Fine. Agreed. But what kind of communal harmony and love are you propagating by choosing to sound the way you do in your mails? The fact is Aditya, you both are being intolerant. So whenever you choose to openly air your boisterous anti-Muslim/Christian attitude in this gay list-serve, remember to measure yourself with the same yardstick you use to size up the fool who calls himself messenger. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. To post mates/freinds wanted log on to http://pub35.bravenet.com/classified/show.php?usernum=2998156902 SPONSORED LINKS Love and romance Romance relationship Bombay india Gay Lgbt YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b About aditya, bitchiness, prophets, and impotence
Hi again Aditya,I understand what you are saying, and couldnt agree more that ritualism has overtaken spirituality for the most part, to the extent that most of the so-named prophets (no phropets !) would cringe to see what has become of their well meaning advice.Your concern about the finality of the Bahai prophet's words is so true - its borne out already by Mr. Messenger who in his latest bulletin informs us that Muhammad was the last of them, look no further.Now to the meat of it - You say that you posed your rhetorical question about further prophets in the 'crassest' way because "only when asked in this manner will it provoke a response that exposes the hollowness of the rituals, semantics, and dogmas of all religious faiths". Did it work ? Did it provoke a response that exposed the hollowness of religious rituals ? No, it did not. It simply hurt some people, while others deleted it in irritation and disgust. If your question were not impolite, there was more of chance that you would be taken seriously, and thence get the response you elicited. Think about it.You are without doubt, at liberty to tell off the bigots, but nothing that you have experienced in your life as a gay man, gives you the right to hurt the unbigoted. Unless you believe that innocents getting killed in military crossfire deserve no apologies. Cheers SalilAditya Bondyopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Salil,I shall not dispute or deny your calling me crass. Sometime I feel that I am crass myself, and absolutely justify it as the freedom of my _expression_, without any remorse or regret. I am convinced that I cannot be changed, for I do not want to change. And I think I cannot be more honest than that. Thanks for writing in anyways. As to the the pointer on Baha'ul'llah, yes I have been reading up on Baha'i literature for some time, and I am generally impressed, except where Baha'ul'llah and the Ba'ab pronuces on homosexuality, and denounces it as the crudest abomination. The Lotus Temple in Delhi for almost 6 years was nearly across the road from where I stayed in Kalkaji. I have had many interesting sessions with the many people from all parts of the world who flock there. What really rankled me is the virulence of the Baha'i dictates against homosexuality, when juxtaposed agains the general message of peace, harmony, and tolerance that permeates the Baha'i faith otherwise. But more interestingly in your pointer is the line 'I'm their final consumation'. The finality of those innocent words will become the dogma of tomorrow when there will be a few hundred million more Baha'is in the world. Its a growing religion, only over a century old. Much like Islam was at one point. At that time when it was a youth of a religion, Islam was more concerned with the message and less with the dogma and the semantics of finality of its own phrophet. But the similarity is uncanny. Phrophets of all hues seem to be convinced of the finality and the end of phrophethood with them. The 'I'm the latest, best, and only possible version from here on', is the comomon thread to making phrophesies. By the time the dogma has taken roots over the message, Baha'is would also be calling for the blood of the newest phrophet in the horoizon, and his followers. The newest phrophet would be as much an apostate to the Baha'is as Baha'ul'llah was to the muslims of Iran. And by the way another prophet is the leader of the Ahmediya sect, founded by Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908) in a small and remote village, Qadian, inPunjab, India, who also followed after Phrophet Muhammad. Read more at http://www.alislam.org/introduction/index.htmlWhich brings me toyour reading of why I asked the question on God not producing any more Prophets. I certainly was not simply curious about religious tradition. I know the tradition, of most major religions, and to be really honest, am not impressed. I posed a rhetorical question in the 'crassest' way because only when asked in this manner will it provoke a response that exposes the hollowness of the rituals, semantics, and dogmas of all religious faiths. The real message of religions remains important, the adherent sadly do not give half ounce of shit about the real message. They are just concerned with establishing their one upmanship, using mindless and mind numbing rituals as a weapon, and often by the process of finding the external enemy to beat up. Established religions and Fascism have an uncanny similarity in the way they ritualise everything and find some enemy to target. As a homosexual person, I have been beaten up enough number of times by religions and the religious, to have earned my right to be crass. If this offends you, then its a clash between your offence and mine, your pain and mine, and your hurt and mine, so I dont really care. A bigot ina gay listserve will be told
Re: g_b Re: About aditya, bitchiness, prophets, and impotence
Hi Samir,The affidavit says that the law should side with the majority's views at the peril of injuring the minority. I simply say that Aditya should respect other's sensitivities even as he freely questions them. The difference is critical.You seek to differentiate between "respecting the other's right to believe in a different religion" and "respect for other's religion". I think this is semantics, i.e. wordplay. Can I claim to respect your right to be a ritualistic dogmatic Hindu even as I abuse ritualistic dogmatic Hindu tradition ? I may question it, but why do I have to be abusive towards it ? Similarly, there is a difference between suggesting that Christians should stop eating pork because Muslims think it's wrong, and suggesting that Christians stop making fun of the Muslim belief that eating pork is wrong. In the first case, I would be asking Christians to modify their lifestyle, in the second I would be asking them to allow someone else the same privilege as they have - to follow a chosen lifestyle. Again, the difference is critical.I do not think it is a question of heightened religious sesnsitivities - that is a real problem today, but has nothing to do with the matter we are discussing here - which is whether it is necessary to provoke and abuse without reason. Its simply a difference of opinion on what politeness constitutes.By all means, react agressively to hate. But in doing so, dont be a bull in a china shop. As I said to Aditya in my other email just before this one, innocents getting killed in crossfire deserve apologies, and similarly the unbigoted on this list, deserve to not have their articles of faith trampled on merely to satisfy someone's whims.Cheers Salil Samir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Salil,I have a few comments on your mail1) You have written......and he chooses to ask his question in a way that insults the faith of the majority of people who believe in speaking respectfully of God (which is what is unacceptable)...I am sure, you know the wording of affidavit filed in supreme court by "our" government. It reads, "homosexuality should not be decriminalized because: Homosexuality is not accepted by Indian culture and society, Criminalization of homosexuality is necessary to provide a healthy environment by criminalizing unnatural sexual activities and also, that it can open the floodgates of delinquent behaviour, The criminal law should represent the wishes of majority of the population and homosexuality should be a crime as a majority of Indian are intolerant towards it".If same logic of yours is to be applied, then this affidavit is appropriate in spirit and content. Detrimental, isn't it?2) Religion is mental poison and current debate is perfect example of how rationale of people completely evaporates regarding matters of beliefs.Why do different religious groups expect everyone else's respect? Shouldn't it be enough that I respect your right to believe anything you fancy, but don't expect my respect?In our multi cultural society, the freedom to question, provoke and yes, offend, is the cornerstone, because, what ever you do, you can not help but offend some belief or the other. Isn't it illogical to expect that Muslims shouldn't eat beef so as to avoid disrespect to Hindus, Christians should stop eating pork because Muslims think it's wrong, Gays should turn straight as major religions do not approve homosexuality..MY faith and beliefs should be for MYSELF. I certainly should not expect anyone who has a different set of beliefs than I, to walk on eggshells that I happen to scatter in their path. And if it's faith, it should not be shaken by a meagre comment / act by someone. But sadly, it's becoming a part of everyday life seeing the religiously afflicted dominating the news agenda with their "anger"; jumping around in the streets, burning effigies, stamping on flags or waving rifles in the faces of the people.(when) are we going to grow up and stop reacting to every little "perceived" insult? 3) Don't forget that this debate commenced with "propaganda mail" from the messenger (who, even now, continues to spread his philosophy unhindered...). Isn't is ironic that on one hand, followers of (different) religions expect everyone else to be sensitive to their beliefs, while they themselves are terribly insensitive about feelings of others.If Aditya decides not to opt for political correctness for the sake of political correctness, there isn't anything wrong in that. How else do you expect homosexuals, idol worshipers, polytheists, apostates, agnostics, atheists and hoards of others at receiving end, react to the hateful nonsense permeating the religious material? Every thing in life is quid pro quo. Don't expect from others, what
Re: g_b Re:Warning for gays ..gays are the cause for their problems
Why do straight men tell others that they are married ? Why should gay people not be allowed to do so ? Are you implying that I should be apologetic about being gay or that I should be ashamed of it or hide it ? Are you gay ? Do you think you were made by God ? If you were, how can you be ashamed of what he created ?SalilNazim Hussain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I would tend to lean on the side that gays are the cause for their problems. Recently, one was found murdered in my home town. It was later revealed that he (the gay person) disclosed his relationship with lover. This angered the married lover, who hired thugs to kill him. My question is WHY does gay men has to go about blabering their mouth on thier relationship/s to their fellow peers who will definitely "spread the word".?Messenger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:sriram dasa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as long as you are not guilty for anything, and you know you are not hurting the other person involved in the actYes gays are hurting a lot of people specially women badly. They are creating a disbalance between the ratio of men and women. They are causing problems in the society. When women are short of partners , they have no choice but to become public property which leads to degrade women and even spread of diseases like AID.Allah created men and women for some purpose. What gays are doing is definitely a big SIN.Like some people whofind pleasure in molestation and child-abuse are sinners, that does not mean that they are doing the right thing because it has pleasure.~Messenger.sriram dasa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: guys, keep urself away from religious talks... does not reach anywere in life remember one thing, as long as you are not guilty for anything, and you know you are not hurting the other person involved in the act, you dont have to bother. you cannot satisfy everyone in life... so, do wat u feel is right...Messenger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the USA, women outnumber men by 7.8 million.The U.S.A as a whole has more than twenty-five million gays. If gayism is logically correct, so lets assume today all men in USA become gays. This will destroy USA within a century becuase of significant drop inbirth rate.I have no intention to hurt anyone but i just want to speak the truth. Do you know in pre-islamic arabia, people used to bury new born females alivebut prophet (PBUH) came and stopped that community as otherwise it would have destroyed them as well.Similarly i am not against any specific set of people and i sincerely apologize if i have hurt the feelings of any one on this group.Quran says in surah Isra, chapter 70, verse 81:"When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes for falsehood is by it's nature bound to perish". Those muslims who drink alcohol and do things which are prohibited in islam like homosexuality,fornication,child abuse,molestation,usury etc should not label them as muslims. It is very important that you practice.~Messenger.Aditya Bondyopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Darling luwerdude, why is it that asking any question about GOD is mocking some religion, or better still mocking some practitioners of some religion? And as to logic, when did I say I want only a logical explanation? I am pretty happy to get the illogical, or 'faith based' one. In factits the later which is the more emnjoyable read. Which brings me to the second question, how is asking about GOD's impotence at producing messiahs and prophets an auto-redicule question?Luv, Aditya On 14/04/06, A B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aditya,Please do not mockreligion. Nothing wrong in being curious. But your "curiosity" per se does not give you the right to go on auto-ridicule mode. Youcome out as smug and as insensitive as the other guy. If you think that the messenger dude (whoever he may be) is wrong to condemn us as a community, direct your anger and ridicule towards him as an individual not the religion. The logic that if you mock and destroythecredentials of the religion whatever the guy has to say automatically becomes a joke, holds good only in your own head. Religious beliefscannot be explained logically. One is either a believer an atheist, an agnostic or a pagan or whatever one chooses to proclaim oneself as.Doesn't mean one should go out of his way tomake snide comments about things one doesn't understand about the next person. I have several very pointed questions also regarding mine and other religions. We can make this a shit-throwing contest or we can behave as smart and mature individuals who respect and value each others sentiments, religious or otherwise. I leave the choice to you. Regds, Luwerdude.PS: I am also curious about so many Muslim beliefs.I am fortunate that my partner is aprogressive-thinking intelligent practicing Muslim. I also ask him
g_b About aditya, bitchiness, prophets, and impotence
Manoj,The word Impotent is most commonly used to denote the inability to get an erection, or more generally, to denote powerlessness. It is definitely not used to denote inability per se. It is a word that is bound to raise the hackles of those people on the list who choose to believe in God. Using Aditya's own lingo, this irritation is faitth-based and not logical in nature.I feel you are ascribing noble motives to Aditya's email when in fact there are none. He simply seems curious about why religious tradition has not thrown up any prophets or messiahs after muhammad (which is an acceptable question) and he chooses to ask his question in a way that insults the faith of the majority of people who believe in speaking respectfully of God (which is what is unacceptable). Aman B. has meanwhile explained at great length why the lingo, and not the content per se, is objectionable. While I and many others have in the past been sporting about Aditya's unique bitchy lingo and enjoy some of his emails, I am unable to play along with this comment, since I dont see how bitchiness can be an alternative to having respect for what is important to others. Then, one is just being crass, not bitchy.I am agnostic myself and definitely a critic of organised religion. But I do not see how I can help myself or others by deliberately hurting others sensibilities. Its sad that on a list which brings together a minority which is facing insensitivity from the majority, one has to still debate on the inherent necessity to be sensitive to others feelings.Incidentally Aditya, as prophets go, you could have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27u%27ll%C3%A1h which is relevant to your question about whether further prophets have been spoken about in religious tradition since Mohammad. The first paragraph reads as follows :"Bahá'u'lláh (Arabic: translation: "Glory of God") (1817 - 1892), born Mírzá Husayn-`Alí (Persian: ), was the founder and prophet of the Bahá'í Faith.He claimed to fulfill the Bábí prophecy of "He whom God shall make manifest", but in a broader sense he also claimed to be the Messenger of God prophesied in all great religious traditions. He said that this day is the king of days, for which the soul of every Prophet of God, of every Divine Messenger, hath thirsted, and that In this most mighty Revelation, all the Dispensations of the past have attained their highest, their final consummation. Regards SalilManoj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Just butting in .. Impotent means 'unable' in simple english. Whyshud we associate the words with any "wrongdoings"?Also aditya is not being offensive aginst god(hindu or muslim) but against those who restrict the vision of god due to their own restricted ideas and insecurities.I think its high time we disassociate ourselves from what religions and such other "religios heads" keep talking about and go about as humans. There is a long mail i have in mind on this issue - but this grp is not meant for them and hence will not get in that to provide a tangent to issues relevant to us and in keeoping with the list rules.Suffice to say that i am sure that Aditya was poking fun at the people who keep redifining religious rules rather than the religion itself and lets look at the people who are oppressing us under guise of religion rather than people who ask questions on them ( of course Aditya has his own sense of lingo which many on the list need a hajmola to digest -- but well hey who says being bitchy and understanding one is everyones piece of cake :o) ) .Chill Manoj A B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Aditya,Impotency of God? There you go again! Its notwhat you ask... its how you ask it, is the problem. Your question(s?) can be answered, provided they are phrased more respectfully. Please dont tell me you can'task a simple question in a simple manner? For example- "Why was Proht Mohd the last propht, Howcome no more prophets after him"? Woudnt this suffice your purpose?I mean, its not like you have a problemexpressing yourself in English. I assume,if youare capable ofusingphrases like "bankrupt" and "going out of business", you can frame a simple question also.About the auto-ridicule thing, if it was not some kind of wicked sense of humour that makes you use words like "God being impotent/bankrupt at producing messaiahs" , I dont understand what else it could be? Please tell me, then, are you just being mean, deliberately? I hope not. May be , its just that you do not know that Muslims do not use that kind of language wen they talk about their religion or God.Your last-name suggests that you may have been Bannerjee* and so you must be Bengali, right? The reason I ambringing this up is because, my best buddy is also Bengali and wen I was a kid, hisfatherhad explained to me that Maa Durga
Re: g_b Marriage is a world-wide accepted tradition
Yes, Sumeet, I respect the tradition of marriage. It provides an anchor to life, makes the man familial, creates stability in society, and creates a mutual support system in old age. So now that we agree on all this, will you joinme inwanting that gay marriage be allowed in india so thatI can marry my partner soon enough ? He and Ihave waited for some years now, and it looks like this "society" which respects the tradition of marriage, doesn't want me to participate in that tradition just because I love a man and not a woman. Will you wish me an early marriage or none at all ? I am sure I and my partner will have a marriage that covers all the good points you mentioned about marriage. By the way, what happens if you tell your wife that you have been having sex with other men, and assuming she is financially independent, she separates from you, meets another man and gets remarriedin the next 3 months? You are the one who will hear nasty and hurtfulcomments from"society", not she. So whom are you really protecting by keeping your mouth shut - yourself or your wife ? You have said that in earlier days gay men were happy getting married, so what has changed now - how do you know that theywere happy - who told you ? I say they were not happy but miserable - how do you know either way ?Regards SalilSumeet Mehra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Marriage is a world-wide accepted tradition. People from different community may not agree on any other matters, but everyone agrees on the tradition to marry. This acceptance is not of few years ago but of many centuries ago. Since then there were people liking sex with same gender. But they all use to marry. Yes they were not treated indifferent, adhura or as gud/gay. Then suddenly what has made a change? They lived their part of life very well in those days. Then why not now? What is striking your heavens? They were never told that they could not marry a female and have their own family. The true and real reason of marriage is infact getting lost. Guys dont know the meaning of marriage. Marriage is an anchor, it does not let you stray. By changing the meaning of marriage, you guys will ruin the face of the world. Marriage makes a man responsible because he is family oriented. But guys who don not want to marry, how would they understand the importance of marriage? Some guys even say that one should not hide their likes for guys to his wife. But do they know that some things are good till they are in closet. All types of Truth is not for everyone. Some matter become more bitter if told and could ruin the life. By no means one can call this cheating because its not to harms anyones happiness. I care for their happiness so I hide it. If at all I disclose it and if she accepts it, then the anchor will be gone. Its human tendency, we become shameless when accepted. So guys grow up. How can one think only for his own benefits? How can one overlook the harm that can be caused to the society/world that we live in? Someone here told once that we get one life to live. So we need to live for our happiness. Then where do we differentiate ourselves from animals? Even animals live for themselves. They open their mouth and the food is gulped down in their stomach. But humans have hands, they collect it and share it with their family. Family, often heard word, but mostly ignored by certain guys in this list. Now even you guys will be in need to change the meaning of family. I read a mail of one guy, don know his name. He stated that the day his bf allows him to go for adoption he will adopt a child. I think he is still in his fantasies. He does not know the legal proceedings of adoption. Alice Please come out of your wonderland! He thinks the orphanage people are waiting for him. The day he will arrive and it will be their pleasure to hand him a child. He does not know that even Miss Universe crowned Sushmits Sen was dragged to the court. Probably one more issue to fight for gay rights to adopt a child. I think this is the only the way left out to make difference. I think that we are simply getting loud to gain public attention and sympathy. Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:-
g_b gay ghetto in a heterosexual society
KarnaI never said anything about isolating the gay community from the straight community. You seem to be mixing up mail from some one else with mail from me.Your email also indicates that you did not see well the following sentences from my earlier email which you have ostensibly replied to -"Gays may not be the only people getting into loveless marriages knowingly,but this is a gay list so we are bound to discuss gay people here." "The fact that straight people do something does not justify it."By the way, excuse me, it is your assumption that everyone here wants "gay people to be accepted and be a part of heterosexual society". What some of us want is for gay and straight people to accept each other and be part of a common society that does not go by the adjective heterosexual. That is key.I know thats a lot to ask for and will take some if not many decades, but that has to be the goal - not "acceptance of gay freaks by normal straight people" but mutual respect between gay and straight people.And, I do not think that standing my ground against heterosexual expectations can be called as believing ina gay ghetto - its a bit like the Hindu extreme right telling Muslims in India that they are all Hindus since Hindutva is a context, and that if they dont find this funny label sitting well on them they are free to leave !Cheers salilKarna Mehta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah! so you believe in a GAY GHETTO...isolated.that is the problem.All what is discussed here is how gays can be accepted and be a part of thehetrosexual societyis it not??? then is it right to ignore thehetrosexual part of society at all..and talk of a set of rules and laws ONLYfor gaysSalil I am sure help must have come to quite a few gays who are under pressureto marry by societymakes you feel nicebut what about the other millionout there who have no help from the helping angels you mentionanysolutionany suggestion... or you just want to damn them. On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Salil ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Gays may not be the only people getting into loveless marriages knowingly,but this is a gay list so we are bound to discuss gay people here. The fact that straight people do something does not justify it. Why do you assume that people who have written here criticizing gay men whosuccumbed to marriage pressures, have done nothing to help someone who is under such pressure ? Regards Salil Karna Mehta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just a thought...another opinion not expressed so far... gays are being critisized for marraying and spoiling a girl's life. Are the gays the only one doing this? How many hetrosexuals spoil girls life calmly by entering into a loveless marraige due to parental pressures,need for money,tying up two families and so many other numerous reasons. I am not justifying either case. But only highlighting that only the gays donot enter a loveless marraige. In case of hetrosexuals the loveless marraige may account for more than 50% in case of India.Just mull it over. Amongst hetrosexuals the loveless marraige numbers must be staggering. Again not all gays are that educated or self confident, or financially independent or that courageous to face society by coming out or thatindependent to face life alone. Gays are also human with all their fallacies. In this discussion we are not being practical in my humble opinion. Thetre can be no one view on gay marraiges. Circumstances, personality of the gay, financial conditions force many to compromise on so many issues that is against their consience . But he has to be practical to continue with life the way he can handle it. And notall men can handle or are capable of handling a given situation in the best/moral way. comprmise and being practical is LIFE. And so the gay or hetrosexual choose a path that they can handle. And in my opinion no one has a right to pass a judgement on this unless he helps the person to overcome or alter the conditions dictating his choice. Am I wrong?. Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rss feed: http://www.mai
Re: g_b Re: there is no steady relation between gays
KarnaPlease do not misunderstand - its not about standards or prudishness - i know Utkarsh well and I think he really doesnt care a hootif anothergay guy stays with one person all his life or sleeps with twenty every day - his point seems to be simplytocall the bluff ofthe "get married" brigade - thesentence "there is no steady relation between gays" -was a sentence in an email by a member of this brigade which hashopped from one excuse to the next to justify why gay men should get married to women with the full intention of cheating on them all their lives.Cheers SalilKarna Mehta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an opinion...Do hetrosexuals have steady relationships ?the divorce figures and remarraiges tell you how steady the relations are withhetrosexuals. This is accepted as the norm and no one really complains.Then why have different standards for homosexuals. Some have steadyrelationships and some do not. So why crib. And why have such high expectationsfrom gays only..Be reasonable guys Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. To post mates/freinds wanted log on to http://pub35.bravenet.com/classified/show.php?usernum=2998156902 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Give a suitable subject
Dear Aditya,Well, its abusive because it is meant to be. Its a bit like the word queer. Its abusive till it is re-appropriated (or whatever the correct word for that is!)SalilAditya Bondyopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dear Salil,Why do you consider being called a prostitute abusive. They do an honest days work with their best resources and do not beg. I would call that honorable.But beside that point, yourreply and analyses of sumeets mail is well taken and appreceated. But dont you think that you have beaten a bit too much around the bush, when you could have just called him a half-assed brain-dead prick, and that would have just sufficed as well and stated the obvious too. best, Aditya B Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. To post mates/freinds wanted log on to http://pub35.bravenet.com/classified/show.php?usernum=2998156902 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Is GayBombay Party an Excuse for SPAMming?
Vikas,Isnt it a bit odd to say that most of the 20 odd lists you are subscribed to (phew !) are all completely silent (not believable) and you want them to not even have the _only_ activity they have - the GB party announcement ? :))cheers salilVikas Pandey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Walnut,Nice to get an opportunity to hear from you.I am not at all against organizing of the party. All I am saying is that such type of mass-mailing is not a good practice.I have visited pages of several such yahoogroups and I have found that DM/DSM's gayparty mails are the only mails appearing on their pages. There is no other activity in those groups, but those 50 or 100 mails inviting non-existant, non-interested members to gayparties are there.I get that invitation from 20 lists which I am a member of.Maybe, a separate announcement-only mailing list can be thought of to cater to such invitation announcements.-- Vicky Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. To post mates/freinds wanted log on to http://pub35.bravenet.com/classified/show.php?usernum=2998156902 SPONSORED LINKS Romance relationship Bombay india Gay men YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Fwd: Re: gb role clarity !!
AngelI did not say that gays should have multiple choices while bi men should not. I have no business to tell anyone how many people of either gender or sex they should sleep with. My limited point was to not cheat anyone in the process.And no, I am not the only one not cheating his gay partner - you shall be pleasantly surprised to find that there are simply many people who cheat and many people who dont cheat (meaning they either have an open relationship or they do not sleep elsewhere). And that has nothing to do with whom they like to have sex with - men or women or both.Thus, I do not have a problem if Sumeet married a girl after telling herthat heintended to continue to sleep around with other men / women / dogs / worms / whatever, and secured her agreement. Cheers Salil Android Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:31:51 + (GMT)From: Android Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: gb role clarity !!To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Salil, for your sharing your viewpoints.I think everyone has his own mindset. Here I mean I do not go by what people say to me whether I cheat on my wife or not. B'coz that is one (faith) which you think is base for marriage.I don't think so. You should carry ur self and respect ur partner's way of carrying him/her. Believe it or not everyone has his own idol in mind while having sex with anyone. So if youthink of urpartner onlywhile having intercourse, then only u r 100% loyal.(This ismy opinion)Most of the things are clear now. As I do not agree on all points mentioned by Sumeet as well as you. My opinion on two major points by you and Sumeet as below.1. Sumeet wrote : Gays have to marry due to family pressure. I write : Then I do not support him on this. They should marry if they feel to not b'coz of family pressure. Reason being if you are nothaving mindset and do not match physicallyfor female, it ingnites complications. After succumbing to family pressure if you marry, I say you should not run away in such situation, but face it if you do it by force. Definitely there is no remedy for spouse agony in such cases. As men failed to reciprocate, she is clear victim. So avoid it if you can't stand for.2. Salilwrote : You should not marry if you like men or someone said you have no place on this group if you are BI. I write : How does that matter. Is this group only meant for sexual orientation or making contacts. I don't think so, as I found this is one of the best group I came across so far for exchanging opinions on various topics in day to day life. I know it revolves aroung homosexuality most of the times. But then those who have spines for carrying marriage with female, there is no reason to stop having it. Now the main objection is about reliability with spouse. That's what I am talking about it is again person to person. That's what Sumeet was also intended to convey in his mail. It is not as easy as ur frend could do before marriage for everyone. B'coz the basic difference is everyone ishaving different mindset. Also you said leaving spouse with baby, ur another frend sleeps around town. That could be with him only. That echos with men sleeping with other women leaving his spouse with baby for staright guys. Now that's cheating that's what you say. I could hardly find a gay who is not looking for another male even after marriage with one male. There are gays who change their partners oftenly. So if you are gay you have multiple choics after marriage with another gay as well. Why not Bi can have that if they can carrythemselves better on both fronts.It's presumed or understood that only gays can have multiple choices.I hope this will clear my views onwhat Sumeet and Salil written in their first mails Angel Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. To post mates/freinds wanted log
g_b Re: Enforced ghetto of gay un-parenting
Mukesh, Youare making assumptions and/or have no idea of email thread context which prompted my remarks.I simply said that gay, not bi, men who intend to continue having promiscuous gay sex on the side, should kindly consider not setting up a life long con job with an unsuspecting woman and should also consider not fathering children as those chidren deserve better than a father who had them because the grandparents and society required him to do so and not of his own volition.I have no problem if there is no cheating involved.To call my views an attack on the cause of progeny is silly, it implies that gay men are uniformly desirous of fathering children; it also says that if i as a gay man requestfellow gay men to not cheat their way into fathering, i am doing so not out of regard for the parties being cheated but as a defense against acknowledging impotence (your word).Regards SalilMukesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salil wrote: Certainly guy with guy or girl with girl can not do so. This is the law of nature, which no one can change. Fine, so gay men will not produce children. Is it compulsory to produce children ? Who told you so ? Why do you accept it blindly that every man has to produce children ? In any case, why do you need to marry to produce children ?Makes no sense to me as if I were asked why did I blindly accept thatevery man has to have sex. This incorrect rhetorical negatory ofprogeny particularly from the queer world is suspicious enough not tobe credited any merit in the argument. They loudmouth it because ofthe consequential lack of it by their own choice, I presume. It is afallacy to disclaim something one does not possess; The morevehemently queers spit contemptibly at this issue, the more they makeit explicit that it's rather not their inherent choice.Deep inside the layers of "social" pressures for it, one has potentialinstinct to mother or father children, just like to love a partner.It's a gifted discovery inside oneself to realize and pursue it.Impotency is not a bliss, but it takes unusual honesty to acknowledgethat one lives with it despite having the very strong desire forprogeny. Biological family isn't the only way, seeking the alternateis the most realistic approach - but crucifying the cause of progenywithout any valid basis is irrational, and it has become an enforcedvogue among a slice of gay community to hogwash it fashionably well.--Mukesh Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. To post mates/freinds wanted log on to http://pub35.bravenet.com/classified/show.php?usernum=2998156902 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Re: there is no steady relation between gays
Bravo R !!The guy on this debate who tried tell the others that it requires courage to get married, hope you take the time toreflect on these lines from R - if this is not love and courage, what is it ?cheers salil rohan r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:~~snip snip ~~~ I have been in a relationship for the past 3 yeasrmyself. It has been difficult, coming out, parents,explaining to friends why you dont have a GF/wife, buthang around with a male friend all the time etc etc.But I will not give this up for anything. Regards,R Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. To post mates/freinds wanted log on to http://pub35.bravenet.com/classified/show.php?usernum=2998156902 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
g_b platonic love of women by gay men
Can't a gay man love a woman? Why is everyone inclined towards associating love and happiness with sex only?Well, platonic love for women by gay men - by all means cool. The current discussion is about those amazing gay men on the list, who advise each other to marry to please parents, then try hard to to have sex with the wife to produce children, then have sex with other men outside that marriage withour remorse and not get caught, and then they turn around and wonder why people like me think of love as related to sex. Its the choohe khar billi haj ko chali attitude thats oh so hypocritical, and gets my goat at least !Regards, Salilsimp ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to everybody participating in this exchange of ideas, I am sorry because this mail will not be able to clarify anything. I have been following this discussion closely and I fail to understand one thing. Can't a gay man love a woman? Why is everyone inclined towards associating love and happiness with sex only? I raise this issue because I have read that platonic love also exists. This might appear to be an advocation of gay men getting married to women and living a life of compromise or whatever they may call it. However, I do not intend to do that. I am not supporting any side of the discussion, so please do not misconstrue me. I would just like to find an answer to my question, Regards Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Give a suitable subject
rather not be married to. Children who's father cheats on their mother once the "social responsibility" of producing them is done with. Parents- in- law whose daughter either complains (or doesnt complain but suffers anyway) of being married to a closeted gay man who cheats on her. This is what you call family ?I never knew that there were guys who had gay in their mind allround the clock. I thought that like me everyone is dedicated to their work and other responsibilties, when they are into it. I dint know that even during work time there would be gay inhis mind. I was thinking that gays are more dedicated to their work and I have come across such guys only. Never hadcame across guys like him.He have changed the gay meaning that I carried with me. I thinkhe might be professionally alsoinvolved.Good going, then its matter ofhis bread and butter also. Hence no comments on him.If you want to call me a prostitute, say so, instead of "professionally involved", "bread and butter" etc. Also noted that because you are gay you are dedicated to your work so much that it makes you forget that you are gay (Thats the silliest circular argument I ever heard). Also noted that since I do not forget I am gay, (and am allegedly not dedicated to my work), I am a prostitute. What crap. Salil Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b BBM
Hi asfan,Let us not trivialise the topic. The criticism is not of married gay men. The ciriticism is of anyone who advises undecided single gay men to go in for a heterosexual marriage rather than resisting it. The criticism is sharper if the advice comes from a married gay man - because he should not be asking others to follow him in the mistake he has already done. The mistake being the intentional premeditated life-long fraud that he has played on the bride - again it is important to understand that there is no criticism of gay men who have got married and realise the mistake. The sharp criticism is for those who find it acceptable to live the lie for completely selfish reasons and then ad insult to injury by calling it a loving relationship. The two common refrains are 1) she doesnt notice i am gay because i love her tenderly (though she wud have got better sex from a straight guy) (which implies that fraud is ok as long as it is not found out) and 2) i had to please my conservative parents towards whom i have a duty (which implies that sacrificing the girl's life is ok as long as one gets to be in the good books of the parents).Only the most extreme of us have displayed any hate for married gay men in general - you can call that subset goody two shoes. The rest of us are simply saying - if u r living a lie, please consider coming out of it - if you cant, best of luck with it, but in any case please dont ask more gay men to cheat a girl each for life.cheers salil asfan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just seen BBM (first day, first show) and thought it to be a good, sensitively made movie. BUT, it concerns two gay cowboys who marry and then cheat on their wives.In view of the recent brickbats being thrown at married gays on the GB and G_B sites by the goody two-shoes, I do hope they voice the same concern and condemn the movie. Otherwise, it will show up their hypocrisy. About a year or so ago I had posted on the site that it would be best to leave the married gays alone they are old enough to know what they are doing. I had also written that given the opportunity the same goodys wouldnt bat an eyelash at having a roll in the hay with them. I am sure this is going to raise the Irish in quite a few but the truth always hurts. Asfan. Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. SPONSORED LINKS Romance relationship Bombay india Gay men YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Re: can't we make this sacrifice, to make our parents happy?
SumeetPeople like Utkarsh and I have the courage to accept ourselves as gay and fight against a society that insists that we should make efforts to act like straight men. The reason Utkarsh doesn't want to marry is not because he cannot make it with females, but because he doesn't WANT to make it females.He does want to marry a man, his present / future boyfriend. He will fight for what he wants, rather than fighting to comply with what heterosexual society wants him to do. That is courage.When you use the frog in the well metaphor, you assume that he is hoping to "make it with females" but has not had the guts to try, and he should look around for examples of courage and emulate them. That's not the case. He doesn't want to ! He simply wants to make it with "males", and I suspect he has been having a good time doing so, so no need to worry about him.Regards, Salil Sumeet Mehra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Utkarsh!Well said. But hey buddy, can you tell me definition of strength and courage. You dont want to marry because you think you cant make it with females.In life many people make small and big achievements. Can you tell me what are achievements? To achieve something uncommon or unusual. You want to give up because you dont want to fight. Have you heard of a woman who gaveupin the mid way of giving birth to a child because of the labor pain she felt. Certainly not. So thats courage, which you lack. I am forced to use this statement.A woman when she concieves for first time has only heard of pain but never felt it. If even women think like you then you would not be on this earth.There are manyother examples like this. Just look around. But you dont want to fight. You want to talk to your parents, but have you everspoken with yourself? You have belief on them but you lack same belief in yourself. Its not about making people understand what you are, but making yourself realise what you can be. Those who dont have courage can never win a war. And life is like a war at ever step. Even Arjun thought he could not fightbut he did because Krishna was with him.Unless you dont, how will you know that God is with you. We face in life many times such challenges that we never thought of. We dont think that time, what if we loose? We try all our best. Thats what we are suppose to do.I believe in putting my best efforts to make a relation grow and thenits growth is my achievement. But a frog of well can never know about ocean. Come out of the well, to know. Life is difficult but not that one cant beat it. You surely lack fighting spirit. from Sumeet.utkarsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just want to add something to this discussion -Do not make assumptions on behalf of your parents. The key to anyhealthy relationship is communication and this holds true for everykind of relationship. Our parents assume that we will be happy marriedto a nice girl and they act on this assumption. We on the other handassume that if we ever told our parents about our sexual orientation,they will die of grief and their lives will be destroyed. Now if onlywe work up enough ourage and talk to them about our problem and why wecan not marry, things might work out in a different manner.We have to let them know what will make us happy and then leave thedecision of whether marriage to a girl do the same on them. Ourparents have not brought us up so that we keep mum when it's mostimportant to speak up and destroy so many lives. Believe me no matterhow conservative, they will always love you. You have to let them knowabout the true you.Once again, marrying is not a solution, but the beginning of a verybig lifelong problem. No matter what Sumeet and the likes of him say,I'd say stay away from marriage. it is not easy; I am stillcontemplating how to come out to my parents; but I am sure about onething, that I will not marry. This life is too precious to while awayregretting and living with a guilty conscience.Courage to strengthen! --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Sonub Jalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:sweetheart...i love my parents. they are the most important people in my life and their happiness means the whole world to me. but that does not give me the right to trap a girl into a "marriage" i am completetly disinterested in. it would mean either living my whole life against my instints devoid of passion and true love or cheating on her. i would rather go through this period of pain for my parents and me, be there for them, wait for them to come to terms with my true nature and take it from there on.the two options you have concluded your mail with arent really the only two options available to gay men. your outlook only belies your lack of courage to face the challenges you are up against. and by no means am i saying the challenges you and i have to face as gay men are trivial. but they are our challenges that we have
Re: g_b This is no more just my view point but now even others agree
Sumeet,I would like to not run away from "social and family responsibility". The problem is your definition of social and family responsibility is heterosexual marriage by all men including those who are exclusively homosexual. This is something that heterosexual people told you, and you do not consider disagreeing with it. Other people on this list, including me, define social and family responsibility as mutually respectful and caring relationships with parents and gay/straight spouses in particular and other members of society in general.I am gay. Therefore I would like to get married to my boyfriend and not to a girl. I would also like to adopt kids. My boyfriend will allow me to be "24 hours gay", since he and I both know that I do not become gay for "a while in a day". I am gay all 24 hours, just as straight men are straight all 24 hours. My parents do not know I am gay, but I have told them I shall not be marrying, and they are quite okay with it. They understand it is my life and not theirs. They wanted to marry, so they did. I do not want to, so I will not. If they insist, I shall resist. I shall explain, not capitulate.So tell me, what responsibility shall I be running away from by being true to myself, my boyfriend, my parents and the world around me ? Allow me to marry, and I shall marry today - but it will be a guy, not a girl.Regards, SalilSumeet Mehra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey Guys!Thanks Angel!Guys who agree or disagree with me, just go and watch broke back moutain. In this movie there is gay couple who after departing from each other get married to female. Both have kids. They both are living very responsible lives, asahusband and even as afather. Then after 4 years the guys happen to meet again. They again enter into realation, without their woman knowing it. But one guy's female come to know and after some years she breaks the relation. But the other guy's female is not aware and so she is happy with his man. This is no morejust my view point but noweven othersagree. Look guys if you want to marry...go ahead. If you dont want to then don't, but dont give lame excuse that you cant spoil any girls life. You are by no means God that you can make any one's life good or bad. Stop treating your self as God. Why stick on to just oneidentify as Gay when one is not gay for all 24hrs? Like woman even man is a son, brother, father, husband, so what if one more thing added gay. I think we can fulfill all relations properly. I dont say one must ignore family. Yes family comes first. But when you want to live for yourself for a while in a day, which everyone does, do whatever you like. Thats where I think we make a difference. So guys just by carrying a bit difference in our preference of sex, why do we want to run away from our social as well as family responsibilty. Cheers! Sumeet. Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. SPONSORED LINKS Romance relationship Bombay india Gay men YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Fwd: Re: g_b BBM
Hi Ketan,The following post of mine never appeared - can u please look into it and allow it to appear ? Thanks in advance !Cheers SalilSalil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 23:09:59 + (GMT)From: Salil [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: g_b BBMTo: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.comHi asfan, Let us not trivialise the topic. The criticism is not of married gay men. The ciriticism is of anyone who advises undecided single gay men to go in for a heterosexual marriage rather than resisting it. The criticism is sharper if the advice comes from a married gay man - because he should not be asking others to follow him in the mistake he has already done. The mistake being the intentional premeditated life-long fraud that he has played on the bride - again it is important to understand that there is no criticism of gay men who have got married and realise the mistake. The sharp criticism is for those who find it acceptable to live the lie for completely selfish reasons and then ad insult to injury by calling it a loving relationship. The two common refrains are 1) she doesnt notice i am gay because i love her tenderly (though she wud have got better sex from a straight guy) (which implies that fraud is ok as long as it is not found out) and 2) i had to please my conservative parents towards whom i have a duty (which implies that sacrificing the girl's life is ok as long as one gets to be in the good books of the parents).Only the most extreme of us have displayed any hate for married gay men in general - you can call that subset goody two shoes. The rest of us are simply saying - if u r living a lie, please consider coming out of it - if you cant, best of luck with it, but in any case please dont ask more gay men to cheat a girl each for life.cheers salil asfan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just seen BBM (first day, first show) and thought it to be a good, sensitively made movie. BUT, it concerns two gay cowboys who marry and then cheat on their wives.In view of the recent brickbats being thrown at married gays on the GB and G_B sites by the goody two-shoes, I do hope they voice the same concern and condemn the movie. Otherwise, it will show up their hypocrisy. About a year or so ago I had posted on the site that it would be best to leave the married gays alone they are old enough to know what they are doing. I had also written that given the opportunity the same goodys wouldnt bat an eyelash at having a roll in the hay with them. I am sure this is going to raise the Irish in quite a few but the truth always hurts. Asfan. Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. SPONSORED LINKS Romance relationship Bombay india Gay men YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: g_b Support us - resident doctors of Maharashtra state
This is exactly what the politicians thrive on. You have more respect for a rotten political system that expects resident doctors to work in subhuman conditions, rather than having support for basically sincere young docs who are asking for fundamental rights, not for privileges. If are taking time out for this issue, why not use that time to protest against these politicians than to insult the real problems that these guys face ?Its not basically about pay, and if you dont know what it is about, do read media reports that show the unfurnished floors that resident docs sleep on in the night while patient relatives are better off. Also, try thinking about you would like to be beaten up for doing your job.All they are asking for is sensitivity, not pampering. I think they deserve that much from society, at the least.RegardsSalilSweet Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can understand the hardships you must have hadto face. (Frankly I dont understand them at all, as I know not what hardships u face). But lets come to the point. Its high time the govt kept a blanket ban on all sorts of strikes across the country. Not just for doctors, but all essential services like the airport unions, BEST, railway workers, bank workers etc. Not that people dont support you, but that these strikes cause untold hardship to the common man not to say a great economic loss to the country. I hope you find a PG accomadation soon. As for another job (I have heard the Govt is getting replacements for all the doctors), I would advise you to join a call centre. I hear they need medical people for medical transcriptions etc. By the way, you wont get any media write up if you decide to hold a strike in a call centre. The only write up you would get is your resignation letter. Good Luck and hope you take your next job a little more seriously. From: "Kris Bass" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Fri, 03 Mar 2006 22:15:18 -0800 (PST)Received: by 10.64.208.20 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:15:18 -0800 (PST)I'm a representative of the whole of resident doctors in the State ofMaharashtra who have gone on strike for demanding our basic rights.Please support our cause and spread the news around. Kindly visit ourblog and show us your support.http://mard-strike.blogspot.comOn a more personal note, I'm one of the 50 resident who received theirtermination notices. I've been asked to evacuate my room.Please spread the news around and show us your support.Waiting in anticipation,Kris Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. SPONSORED LINKS Romance relationship Gay men YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Re: Bollywood and Gay Cinema
Dear Vikram, While I appreciate the other information and points of view in your mail, is it really necessary to sit in judgement over Sumeet's mail and get annoyed with it publicly - does it not run counter to the central purpose of having a safe space ?I don't see what is annoying about Sumeet's message - he uses the slang gayism - one may rant all one wants - but it happens to be slang in the indian gay community - if you had instead educated him about why its not a good idea to use the suffix "ism", that would be constructive. As things stand, you end up sounding like a dowdy grammar teacher and sumeet will continue to say gayism :)Its also difficult to understand why one should be annoyed with Sumeet because he is scared of the Shiv Sena and overestimates its influence. I appreciate the hard facts you have thrown in about the Sena angle - but why get hysterical and suspect that his simple fear is a mask for a supposed mental struggle with exploring his sexuality, and worst of all, why allege that he "pretends" to be afraid - he may really be afraid, in which case getting annoyed is of frankly no use to anyone !CheersSalil Vikram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Sumeet Mehra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ketan!Its not about bollywood accepting gay cinema but the audience accepting it. And till there is ShivSena in maharashtra, i dont think they will allow such films to be screened. Infact i feel that people do not mind over gayism till its harmless, but Sena never will allow that. Infact everyone is aware about 14th feb. How they protest and how they treat lovers. They do not want to think beyound. They call it anti Indian Culture. According to me the culture and the society has to change with the demanding situations. We all know that India has changed its culture or else we all would be still wearing Dhoti and Kurtas instead of jeans and t-shirts. This is all double face of politics. So India accepting Gays is still a dream, to come true. But again here I dont feel that we need to beg for Gayism being accepted. Who are they to grant us permission of what we want to do. We live in so called democratic country...bus sirf naam ke liye. When we are all aware why to bang heads on the rock and break our heads. If they cant accept truth, then they are wrong and not we. I don't know what annoys me more about this message - the use of 'gayism', a word that does not exist, or the assertion that nothing openly gay is possible in Bombay at the moment because of fear of the Sena. Sumeet for your information at the moment there are two films running in theatres in Bombay which have queer characters at their centre. Capote is about an openly gay and camp man, Saving Face is about a Chinese-American family where the daughter, the central character, is openly lesbian and her affair with another woman is very openly shown (and no, its not a porn film). There hasn't been a word from the Sena. My Brother Nikhil ran for six weeks in Bombay with no protests. Other films like the ones I've mentioned, Rules: Pyar Ka Superhit Formula and Page 3 have all had openly gay characters with no objections. There have been two queer film festivals in Bombay and both GB and Humsafar regularly show gay films at private events. Plays with gay themes have been presented in Mumbai like A Muggy Night In Mumbai and Chottiyasha Suttit (in Marathi, so the Sena couldn't pretend not to understand what was going on). At a larger level, GB has been in operation for seven years, having parties, film fests and other events. Humsafar has been in operation even longer and is quite high profile and in the news. We have had press conferences on queer issues and demonstrations, the last on August 16th. All this has happened with the knowledge of the Shiv Sena - so how is your statement that no presentation of 'gayism' is possible in Bombay justified? Yes, I'm aware that the Sena protested against Fire and Girlfriend, but the first was linked to the religious angle taken in the film and the second to the sleaziness the film was serving up (which queer people also objected to), and in both cases it was linked to a patriarchal attitude towards women. The protests were deplorable but looked at in the context of all the other stuff happening, they increasingly seem like aberrations rather than the norm. I am not, for a minute, arguing that the Sena has suddenly turned gay friendly. We are not likely to get any goodwill from them and yes, as gay stuff gets more high profile, we may well face problems. But it is just wrong to say that nothing is possible because of fear of the Sena. At some point one has to ask if you are saying this more to justify your fears, rather than what the community is facing. Pretending that the Sena is such a big threat is a useful way for people like you to refrain from dealing with their sexuality, rather than
Re: g_b Link to my mail to DNA, 23.12.2005
Hi R,I dont think you need to be apologetic about reporting here about your letter in DNA. I would say this is quite the proper forum for this to be publicized, and I for one would like to compliment you on a well written letter. There is also a lesson in this for all those of us, including me, who are largely closeted - that you don't need to be out to the whole world before you try making an impact in favour of the community.It is heartening that the generally unseemly competition amongst mass media in India nowadays - whether it be TV or print - is having some good side effects - like the propensity to pick up hitherto untouched or taboo topics. Whether the media talks about homosexuality for titillation, education or shock value is another matter - but as many people have expressed before me on this list, it is critical for the community to get mainstream exposure any which way. Time and again one sees that once any social issue becomes prevalent in the mass media by way of reports, debate or comments, the taboos associated with it dissolve. of course they may get replaced with either of understanding or hate - but then that is where we will have to come into the picture and intervene like you have so ably done in the current case.And Umang, look i started writing again - so that next time you won't have to ask me why i dont write any longer on the lists - it was just that i had felt no urge to participate in debates over un-gay things like whether lifted urdu poetry has to be readable to be read ;)Cheers SalilHi Pal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi,I thank DNA for publishing a well edited mail of mine in today's DNA, Speak Up section, Inbox.Here's the link:http://dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1003548CatID=12Yeah, I know I sound childish to publicize this, then I am thankfulthough am a virtual nobody DNA has published the mail as they felt that it clarifies certain issues regarding gay sexuality in India.I very well know that I have not ben comprehensive here.I have repeatedly expressed in this forum, my opinion that for us to get our "freedom" it is essential to make society understand that we are normal, responsible, dignified and intelligent human beings. In fact I detest this branding of "queer" etc.I have loved a man deeply in a very mature way [ I'm 48] and believe me, I didn't find anything abnormal or queer with my feelings. I am closeted and do not attend meets, but I do believe that I should contribute to the gay community in India in my own way with the belief that at least my next generation gets a better deal.This is myrequest to all members to propogate in your own way the message that we are perfectly normal, dignified, responsible and intelligent human beings.Cheers,R23.12.2005Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. SPONSORED LINKS Romance relationship Bombay india India gift India romance India tour Online romance YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Masturbation
What absolute crap, ketan, we rest assured that you are on guardhow did this abomination slip through ? Even the quacks write better spiels in local train compartment stickers !! cheers salil === should be more careful, i agree. regards moderator Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Help save the life of a child. Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. http://us.click.yahoo.com/ons1pC/lbOLAA/E2hLAA/WfTolB/TM ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: g_b Attention Moderator of Gaycalcutta
How very sweet. Don't you know the difference between a right and privilege ? If I was the moderator of a yahoo group and got an email such as yours, whining about me and implying that I am in some way your doormat, I would simply delete you from the list. There are too many decent people around, which encourages people like you to take posting privileges for granted. Regards Salil --- Aditya Bondyopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Moderator, Please read the mail below. It is either a willful and unacceptable negligence on your part or it is a way of censoring me. Both are unacceptable to me and I think I deserve an explanation. This is not the first time that this has happened and I hope that such will not happen in the future. The mail I wrote and not approved by you pertains to a development in the rights of gay persons [a court decision in Canada] and in no way violates any of the posting guidelines. To ensure that others know of your actions or the lack of it and to create the necessary moral pressure on you to reply, I am posting this mail on other listserves as well. Best regards and waiting for your reply with an explanation of your conduct. Aditya Bondyopadhyay -Original Message- From: Yahoo! Groups Notification [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 6:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Message to gaycalcutta group not approved Hello, Your message to the gaycalcutta group was not approved. The owner of the group controls the content posted to it and has the right to approve or reject messages accordingly. In this case, your message was automatically rejected because the moderator didn't approve it within 14 days. We do this to provide a high quality of service for our users. A complete copy of your message has been attached for your convenience. Thank you for choosing Yahoo! Groups Regards, Yahoo! Groups Customer Care Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Help Sudanese refugees rebuild their lives through GlobalGiving. http://us.click.yahoo.com/V8WM1C/EbOLAA/E2hLAA/WfTolB/TM ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
g_b Prime Minister against discrimination ?
There's been a statement by Dr. Manmohan Singh , in the context of the proposed bill for reserving seats in Parliament for women, that no nation can call itself great if it discriminates against any of its citizens. Have a look at the article on rediff at http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/23bill.htm. Such thoughts give hope the campaign against Sec. 377. However I cannot help recollecting how Dr. Singh fumbled when handling the gay marriage question asked by a jornalist at his joint press conference with the Canadian PM a few months ago. Cheers Salil Send a rakhi to your brother, buy gifts and win attractive prizes. Log on to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/rakhi/index.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h5pidko/M=323294.6903899.7846637.3022212/D=groups/S=1705064406:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1124858638/A=2896129/R=0/SIG=11llkm9tk/*http://www.donorschoose.org/index.php?lc=yahooemail;DonorsChoose. A simple way to provide underprivileged children resources often lacking in public schools. Fund a student project in NYC/NC today/a!/font ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: g_b Sex in the deserted island [of a heterosexual nature]
An earlier version I read, had three britishers, and the two british men are waiting around to be introduced to the British lady. A telltale remnant of which, is that in the attached account also the Irish are satisfied because the British are not having any fun. I wonder why someone felt the need to change the British part to Indian. cheers salil --- Aditya Bondyopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a beautiful deserted island in the middle of South Pacific, the following people are stranded: Two Italian men and one Italian woman. Two French men and one French woman. Two German men and one German woman. Two Greek men and one Greek woman. Two Bulgarian men and one Bulgarian woman. Two Japanese men and one Japanese woman. Two Chinese men and one Chinese woman. Two Irish men and one Irish woman. Two American men and one American woman. Two Indian men and one Indian woman. One month later, on these absolutely stunning deserted islands in the middle of nowhere, the following things have occurred: One Italian man killed the other Italian man for the Italian woman. The two French men and the French woman are living happily together in a ménage a trios. The two German men have a strict weekly Rota of alternating visits with the German woman. The two Greek men are sleeping together and the Greek woman is cooking and cleaning for them. The two Bulgarian men took one look at the Bulgarian woman and started swimming to another island. The two Japanese have faxed Tokyo and are awaiting instructions. The two Chinese men have set up a pharmacy, liquor store, restaurant and laundry, and have gotten the woman pregnant in order to supply employees for their stores. The two Irish men divided the island into north and south and set up a distillery. They do not remember if sex is in the picture because it gets somewhat foggy after a few liters of coconut whiskey. However, they're satisfied because the British aren't having any fun. The two American men are contemplating suicide, because the American woman will not shut up and complains relentlessly about her body, the true nature of feminism, what the sun is doing to her skin, how she can do anything they can do, the necessity of fulfillment, the equal division of household chores, how sand and palm trees make her look fat, how her last boyfriend respected her opinion and treated her nicer than they do, and how her relationship with her mother is the root cause of all her problems, and why didn't they bring a damn cell phone so they could call 911 and get them all rescued off this Godforsaken deserted island in the middle of freaking nowhere so she can get her nails done and go shopping. The two Indian men are still waiting for someone to introduce them to the Indian woman... __ Free antispam, antivirus and 1GB to save all your messages Only in Yahoo! Mail: http://in.mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hjio29h/M=320369.6903865.7846595.3022212/D=groups/S=1705064406:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123363515/A=2896110/R=0/SIG=1107idj9u/*http://www.thanksandgiving.com Help save the life of a child. Support St. Jude Children¿s Research Hospital/a./font ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: g_b What is a double decker?
I am taking the libery of quoting from Naz Foundation International's Report dt. 16th May 2000 which commented on MSM in Bangalore. The term double-decker, which is a kothi label given to men who penetrate and also are penetrated, was taken on by a considerable number of males in the city, very different from Hyderabad. There are several possible reasons for this. Perhaps primarily because the kothi label is more stigmatised and identifying with the kothi term double-decker could reduce stigmatisation. Also Bangalore indicated much higher rates of police harassment of kothis and gay men than Hyderabad, and this led to a greater invisibility and reduction in the public gender performance of kothis. Bangalore also has a longer history of gay activism, with a growing gay scene in terms of bars and clubs. Further there could well be an emergent indigenous gay culture framed around mutual sex expression - the double decker for lower income groups. However, analysis of the questionnaire data and interviews indicated that behaviourally, double-deckers were much closer to kothis in terms of actual sex acts,that is higher rates of being penetrated than penetrating, both orally and anally. This tends to support the hypothesis that those identifying themselves as double-deckers did so primarily to masculinise their feminised gender identity away from kothis. Regards Salil --- Robert Clayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone explain what a double decker is? Thanks Bob Clayton Australia Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/LLQ_sC/esnJAA/E2hLAA/WfTolB/TM ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. For Parties and events go to: http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: g_b ZOUK....
zouk (z#363;k) pronunciation n. A popular dance music of the French West Indies, combining African drumming styles with influences from American and Caribbean popular music. [Antillean French Creole, party; probably akin to JUKE1.] From - The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition --- summer breeze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, The name ZOUK ( if pronounced as ZOOK) has a meaning in DUTCH. The verb Zoeken (pronounced as zook-n) means to look for. The conjugated Zoek (sound: ZOOK) would mean look for or seek Suggestive? Sh. Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/MCfFmA/SOnJAA/E2hLAA/WfTolB/TM ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. For Parties and events go to: http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: g_b easy relaxation of ass: no expert here
James Do you not think that Anal sex is extremely dangerous is an unnecessarily sweeping and alarmist view of the matter ? Surely you can temper it with a happy mention of those (rumouredly few, i admit) men who have been getting it lovingly and safely, from a monogamous partner ??? Regds Salil --- Angus Linney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ajit: I got all kinds of advice, even read books on the topic, but nothing ever helped me be free from a pain in the ass (trying it three or four times was more than enough for me--maybe I am missing the G spot). Since I am older than dirt, I was just coming out a little in the 70s. Thanks goodness I never learned to like to be a bottom--for sure I would have died of AIDS long ago. Frankly, I would rather buy my partner a blow-up doll. Why am I writing? Anal sex is extremely dangerous, so be with someone you trust, and even then, be sure the prophylactic he is using is made out of Kryptonite. James in New Mexico Ajitkumer Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jimmy: Thankx. I am a mature top, now trying the role of bottom. Cna you tell me how to open up when someone is penetrating me, easily and smoothly and without pain? Ajit Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- DonorsChoose. A simple way to provide underprivileged children resources often lacking in public schools. Fund a student project in NYC/NC today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5F6XtA/.WnJAA/E2hLAA/WfTolB/TM ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. For Parties and events go to: http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: g_b Re: should one appreciate him for his honesty that he is upfront about his marital status
Would you also say that one has tobe brain damaged to get into a relationship of sorts with a gay man who is supposedly monogamously coupled with another gay man ? Salil --- Vikram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the whole I'd say appreciate that he's honest about being married so if there are any guys still willing to get involved with him then that's their decision. Of course, I've always felt an unmarried gay guy would have to be largely brain damaged to get into a relationship with a married gay guy, but if they do, its their business, Vikram Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Help save the life of a child. Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital's 'Thanks Giving.' http://us.click.yahoo.com/mGEjbB/5WnJAA/E2hLAA/WfTolB/TM ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. For Parties and events go to: http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: g_b Mostly u will get friends here who will want friendship with sex!
I think its quite simple logic, smartie. The guy wants friends, he does not want sex, he just wants friends who are gay so he can be himself with them. Its unfair to ask why he should be asking for them here, its an appropriate forum.. after all how many of us visit this list for anything other than comradeship and support ? To pick up either of Mr. Right or Mr. Right Now, we go elsewhere ! Cheers Salil === elsewhere? where? where? guide us to that path o enlightened. ketan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Give the gift of life to a sick child. Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital's 'Thanks Giving.' http://us.click.yahoo.com/lGEjbB/6WnJAA/E2hLAA/WfTolB/TM ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. For Parties and events go to: http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: g_b apologies
Well, it was one of those ads one cant really get angry at, considering the quality of the visual , hee hee !! cheers salil Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Give underprivileged students the materials they need to learn. Bring education to life by funding a specific classroom project. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4F6XtA/_WnJAA/E2hLAA/WfTolB/TM ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. For Parties and events go to: http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: g_b Re: An appeal-To the Moderator/Organizers of GB Events,
Hello Vikram, Firstly lemme say it was great to meet you at the Zouk party. About the drinks - I am not very clear why Aseel thinks the drinks are bad, since they are usually known brands and mixed with branded soft drinks / juices. Maybe othere folks will write in on that. But I do think we need a bigger bar - maybe two bars next time if thats possible - and bartenders who are better prepared. One got the impression this time that the management didnt expect so much of a crowd, at least at the bar. Vodka in paticular, ran out at 1 am (i wouldnt know about other drinks...) and the bartenders were quite obviously overloaded, running around and mixing up orders. Also, please correct me on this if its my ignorance of how things work, but I thought it odd that a bartender should ask me to hold on a second since he is gulping his own drink. No, I wasn't drunk and I didn't hallucinate. I pardoned him because he had a good lithe dark body and was moving it well to the music, but that's beside the point in this discussion cheers salil p.s. I have taken the liberty of writing to both the gb and g_b lists, since people on both would want to chime in ! --- Vikram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More detailed comments here might help, A.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thirdly, Why are the drinks always so bad!! Be it karma, razz and now Zouktheyre always HORRIBLE! And this is not just me saying it, its a general public vieww! Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Give the gift of life to a sick child. Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital's 'Thanks Giving.' http://us.click.yahoo.com/lGEjbB/6WnJAA/E2hLAA/WfTolB/TM ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. For Parties and events go to: http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Fwd: Re: Fwd: g_b Join CANCER SUPPORT GROUP.
This link doesnt open , how do i join ? salil te: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:55:30 - Subject: g_b Join CANCER SUPPORT GROUP. Dear friends, The cancer survivors, the relatives of the one affected and medical personnel related to the field of oncology are requested to join this group. Use the link to join the group. http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/prayforyou/ === hi salil you are right. the link does not open and possibly the group does not exist or does exist with a difference address i will try to find out regards moderator Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/WfTolB/TM ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens What's hot? What's not? Where are the LGBT parties being held and when? Click here!! http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Homepage:- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay Unsubscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: g_b If Amitabh Bachhan were to run for USA President!
asfan, dishoom is more typically the sound of a fist hitting ur cheek, not gunfire, in hindi phillums ! salil asfan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lizzie darling,(if I may call you that) Dishoom is the Bollywood way of describing the sound of gunfire. Thus, all action movies (including American westerns) would have dishoom, dishoom in them. Hope you will enjoy your stay in India. Luv, Asfan. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/WfTolB/TM ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens What's hot? What's not? Where are the LGBT parties being held and when? Click here!! http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Homepage:- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay Unsubscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[gay_bombay] Thinking of parents and gods as asexual beings
John, I do not think a discussion on the sexuality of my father or mother, as indeed of my gods, should irritate meUNLESS I have one of the following hangups - 1)that LGBT sexualities are in some sense a lesser thing and not worthy of being those of people whom I respect, or 2) that I am so naive that i like to think of my parents and God as asexual beings. Frankly it would be not just naive but comical since I am living proof that my parents are not asexual beings. And, anyone who isnt asexual, has a sexuality. And, as long as the discussion is about sexuality and not sex, its perfectly ok with me. I do take your point that some people would like to think of their gods as a focus point for non-sexual emoting as you call it. At the same time I do think there is so much sensuality and virilityascribed to the personalities of at least hindu gods, thatthis list is not saying anything that has not been said before. I do end up with the feeling that people are comfortable with their gods being heterosexually sensuous but no homosexually so, and I definitely find that discriminatory, and that was the limited point my original mail made anyway ! Regards, Saliljohn ferns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doing what U guys are doing is Akin to then wanting to HUMP your mothers, or fathers (as you'll are gays), when U take recourse and go to them for for advice/love/help etc. there!! SIMILAR? Why NOT??John Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens What's hot? What's not? Where are the LGBT parties being held and when? Click here!! http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Homepage:- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay Unsubscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [gay_bombay] Esahwar, Isaa, Khuda................. Does it sound NICE to think of them as a GAY??? Speak what ur heart says.
I am sure most members know how to write to the moderator instead of Sahil if they really have issues with this topic being discussed on these lists. Would the moderators tell us whether there really have been such large scale protests as Sahil says ? And Sahil, we we cant change the whole world for our own selfishness. What has past let it be gone. Dont dig what has been buried down beneath several centuries before. - Does it mean that we should not look at ancient Indian culture which describes God as a sexually active human form through various mythological sagas, or only ignore those parts of the mythology that sepak about homosexuality ? I am a bit confused as to why you want to have a selective memory about this. And one request I cant stand anyone naming any GOD openly here in any form of GAY related issues!! (yes I mean it) - Are you ok if a straight forum about, say, Lord Krishna, has emails discussing mythologocal tales about hetero-erotic activity between him and Gopis ? If you are ok, why ? Regards Salil == i do not know about the other gb list but i have cleared/posted all the mails on this issue on the main list. there have been no other mails in private to me. so, feel free to make up your mind on whether there have been large scale protests based on the posts that you read. moderator Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/WfTolB/TM ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens What's hot? What's not? Where are the LGBT parties being held and when? Click here!! http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Homepage:- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay Unsubscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [gay_bombay] Its demeaning to bring GOD in the sexual sphere of the life.
Ajay, Are you okay with your God having a female consort, with him being described as sexually virile, being shown in coital poses with goddesses on temples, being worshipped in the form of a linga, being referred to be of a specific gender, say male, or do you genuinely believe these references tohis beinga sexual being to be demeaning to your faith ? If these concepts about God's human form are ok for you,but discussing his sexuality is not ok, then I am afraid you are saying that being heterosexual is in some way "more proper or normal", "to be assumed for allvirtuous people unless discussed otherwise", and "worthy behaviour for a God's human form", while being homosexual is not. You term it an insult for God's sexuality to be discussed. Do you consider it an insult if your sexuality is discussed ? And no, gays are not only "sex guided". But this group is not a general coffeeshop, its for gay people (mostly) who need a forum to discuss their sexuality in all its aspects, includingone's approach to spirituality, faith and religion. By the way,I laughed aloud when I saw your line "GOD is a universal faith, with no gender and let him be like he is...". Would you consider writing ""GOD is a universal faith, with no gender and let her be like she is..." :) Cheers, SalilAjay sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its demeaning to bring GOD in the sexual sphere of the life.the entire discussion lacks one basic point, are Gays only Sexy guided ? Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens What's hot? What's not? Where are the LGBT parties being held and when? Click here!! http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Homepage:- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay Unsubscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[gay_bombay] Re: entrapment... BEWARE.
So what is the modus operandi? where in dadar does this salim call people? and how can you recognise him other than being 19 and on yahoo chat. maybe he also operates somewhere in dadar (other than on the internet) answers? i shudder at the plight of victims. == vikaram's mail contains the modus operandi details moderator Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/WfTolB/TM ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens What's hot? What's not? Where are the LGBT parties being held and when? Click here!! http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
