Re: [gentoo-user] Re: games-fps without blood
On 3 Feb 2009, at 03:39, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: On Tuesday 03 February 2009 06:24:40 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Difficult to find an FPS without violence. Even in Consoles and MS Windows. Why? FPS = First Person *Shooter*. Shooter = guns and kills ;) You're making me wish for a FPS in which Tux the penguin throws snowballs at BSD gremlins. Ups.. He-he... :-) I have thought it is frame per second - is related to 3D reality reconstruction, where GL, *fps* and such are needed, used, told about. Fine! Probably there are not-FPS :-) beauty (rich 3D) games for little boy, are not they? I would like to second Tux Racer, which has already been mentioned. If it's *games* you're after then secondhand Gamecubes are very cheap around here these days, as are disks for them, many of which are very friendly indeed to younger kids. Think of Mario Brothers, Harvest Moon and other such colourful worlds. But as a responsible parent you probably hope that games on the computer will lead to more serious uses of the PC. ;| Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] STAR options have me confused
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I want to save the backup on a USB drive on /media/sda1. Therefore I ran star as root like this: # cd /dev/sda1 # star -xattr -H=exustar -c -f hda5_root1.star /media/hda5 -C /media/sda1 This is a useless command line as -C /media/sda1 is executed after archiving /media/hda5. Does this mean that I should have '-C /media/sda1' before '/media/hda5' ? Using absolute paths (as you did) is a really bad idea and '-C /media/sda1' before '/media/hda5' will not help you -C performs a chdir before processing the next arg Useful is something like '-C /media/sda1' . If you like to do backups, you should tell star to archive more meta data by using -dump instead of H=exustar. -dump includes H=exustar but is more. There are several examples in the man page and I still don't know what caused your real problems. A frequent problem on Linux is that not all files to support a specific feature are present or that you first need to activate them. Did you use extended attributes with other programs before? Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild for x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r3 is missing after portage update but required by the system configuration [solved]
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 00:37:51 +0200, Dimitris Kavadas wrote: emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r3. (dependency required by net-wireless/kdebluetooth-1.0_beta1-r2 [installed]) (dependency required by world [argument]) So, what seems to be the problem? Try kdebluetooth-1.0_beta8, it's been in the tree for more than three months (emerged on 20-11-08 here) and causes no such problem. I did what you suggested: - uninstalled the kdebluetooth version that was not in the portage any more - installed the latest one available It wiorked fine. -- Neil Bothwick I'm as confused as a baby in a topless bar. Thank you for your help. Dimitris PS. Sorry for posting this to the dev list
[gentoo-user] libtool problem
Hi, since a short time many (not all) packages fail to build with a message like /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.2/libgomp.la The problem is that I have upgraded to gcc-4.3.3 so there is no path /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.2 anymore. I have rebuilt libtool, sourced /etc/profile still I cannot get rid of this problem. Has anybody an idea where this comes from and how to fix this? Many thanks for hint, Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] libtool problem
Am Dienstag, 3. Februar 2009 13:15:55 schrieb Helmut Jarausch: since a short time many (not all) packages fail to build with a message like /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.2/libgomp.la The problem is that I have upgraded to gcc-4.3.3 so there is no path /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.2 anymore. I have rebuilt libtool, sourced /etc/profile still I cannot get rid of this problem. Did you run fix_libtool_files.sh 4.3.2? HTH... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] libtool problem
On 3 Feb, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Dienstag, 3. Februar 2009 13:15:55 schrieb Helmut Jarausch: since a short time many (not all) packages fail to build with a message like /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.2/libgomp.la The problem is that I have upgraded to gcc-4.3.3 so there is no path /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.2 anymore. I have rebuilt libtool, sourced /etc/profile still I cannot get rid of this problem. Did you run fix_libtool_files.sh 4.3.2? Thanks! Where does this beast come from? Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] libtool problem
On Dienstag 03 Februar 2009, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, since a short time many (not all) packages fail to build with a message like /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.2/libgomp.la The problem is that I have upgraded to gcc-4.3.3 so there is no path /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.2 anymore. I have rebuilt libtool, sourced /etc/profile still I cannot get rid of this problem. Has anybody an idea where this comes from and how to fix this? Many thanks for hint, Helmut. if you would have looked here: http://www.gentoo.org/ you would have seen this: gcc-4.3.3 and broken libtool archives linking to: http://psykil.livejournal.com/334483.html
[gentoo-user] Re: libtool problem
Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 3 Feb, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Dienstag, 3. Februar 2009 13:15:55 schrieb Helmut Jarausch: since a short time many (not all) packages fail to build with a message like /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.2/libgomp.la The problem is that I have upgraded to gcc-4.3.3 so there is no path /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.2 anymore. I have rebuilt libtool, sourced /etc/profile still I cannot get rid of this problem. Did you run fix_libtool_files.sh 4.3.2? Thanks! Where does this beast come from? It's also in the official documentation. Chapter Gentoo GCC Upgrade Guide, section Frequent Error Messages :P http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-upgrading.xml#doc_chap5
Re: [gentoo-user] libtool problem
Helmut Jarausch schrieb: On 3 Feb, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Dienstag, 3. Februar 2009 13:15:55 schrieb Helmut Jarausch: since a short time many (not all) packages fail to build with a message like /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.2/libgomp.la The problem is that I have upgraded to gcc-4.3.3 so there is no path /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.2 anymore. I have rebuilt libtool, sourced /etc/profile still I cannot get rid of this problem. Did you run fix_libtool_files.sh 4.3.2? Thanks! Where does this beast come from? Helmut. Do you read the elog messages? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.2 compile problem
On Tuesday 03 February 2009 07:53:22 Dirk Uys wrote: Hi I'm trying to emerge kde-4.2, but the kde-base/systemsettings-4.2.0 ebuild fails: snip/ Have anyone else successfully built kde4.2? Three systems so far, one x86, two amd64. Every single one failed to emerge kde 4.2 cleanly in a single run, but subsequently now has it. What I mostly did was just restarted emerge -- and it would have the packages in different order and pass the problem spot a few packages later without the problems showing up any more. Having kde 4.1 stuff on the background cluttering up my system might have had an effect on this. I don't know if I ran into your specific problem, just restarting emerge fixed most stuff for me. I did run into a hell of a problem with Xorg after successfully emerging kde 4.2, but that was due to the upgraded unstable xorg- server 1.5.3 evdev not liking my xorg.conf -- and me not having cared to explore the evdev-stuff before being thus forced to. No keyboard and no mouse makes using kde 4.2 even worse than kde 4.1 *with* keyboard and mouse. ;) -- Arttu V.
[gentoo-user] Re: Gack... cups docu
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com writes: Harry Putnam wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Anyone else have trouble accessing cups documentation? Here using http://localhost:631 just fails with standard message unable to connect to server at 631. The html stuff under /usr/share/cups/html/ appears to have the href links setup so that they point to somewhere on the file system that doesn't contain the hoped for file. Anyway.. trying to decipher how to get to some handy setup help appears to be a non-starter here at least. And all that is happening before getting to anything useful to read. Errr... nevermind /etc/init.d/cupsd solved that problem. Seems it would be wise to say a word about that in the cups README. I was curious about that because I clicked on the link and it opened up cups here. I just thought I was the only one that could do that. o_O Don't forget to add it to the default runlevel. Probably would have but it happens, I don't want it running for the most part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome doesn't recognize removable media
Hello all, I have solved the problem now. It was due to a missing library issue in HAL. A ln -s /var/lib64/libvolume_id.so.0 /lib64/libvolume_id.so.0 fixed it. Greetings, Niklas reQuiem23 wrote: Hello all, I emerged Gnome 2.24 and am now experiencing problems with removable media. It was not an upgrade, but a new install. Whenever i insert a CD or USB stick, the system recognizes it (as you can see in the output of tail /var/log/messages), but nautilus doesn't show a desktop icon or even auto-mounts the volume. Are there any log files (maybe from udev and nautilus) or settings i could check to investigate the problem? or is there anything special about 2.24 that i could have overread? /var/log/messages: Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.467469] ehci_hcd :00:0b.1: resume root hub Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.527010] hub 1-0:1.0: hub_resume Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.527022] ehci_hcd :00:0b.1: GetStatus port 2 status 001803 POWER sig=j CSC CONNECT Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.527026] hub 1-0:1.0: port 2: status 0501 change 0001 Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.628020] hub 1-0:1.0: state 7 ports 8 chg 0004 evt Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.628031] hub 1-0:1.0: port 2, status 0501, change , 480 Mb/s Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.679256] ehci_hcd :00:0b.1: port 2 high speed Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.679260] ehci_hcd :00:0b.1: GetStatus port 2 status 001005 POWER sig=se0 PE CONNECT Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.730013] usb 1-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7 Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.781254] ehci_hcd :00:0b.1: port 2 high speed Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.781258] ehci_hcd :00:0b.1: GetStatus port 2 status 001005 POWER sig=se0 PE CONNECT Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.845398] usb 1-2: default language 0x0409 Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.846960] usb 1-2: uevent Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.846978] usb 1-2: usb_probe_device Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.846981] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.847203] usb 1-2: adding 1-2:1.0 (config #1, interface 0) Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.847225] usb 1-2:1.0: uevent Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.847244] usb-storage 1-2:1.0: usb_probe_interface Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.847249] usb-storage 1-2:1.0: usb_probe_interface - got id Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.847322] scsi9 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.847409] usb-storage: device found at 7 Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.847412] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.847505] drivers/usb/core/inode.c: creating file '007' Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.847555] usb 1-2: New USB device found, idVendor=1307, idProduct=0165 Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.847557] usb 1-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.847560] usb 1-2: Product: USB Mass Storage Device Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.847563] usb 1-2: Manufacturer: USBest Technology Feb 1 16:02:49 niklaspc [ 2024.847565] usb 1-2: SerialNumber: E9 Feb 1 16:02:54 niklaspc [ 2029.849398] scsi 9:0:0:0: Direct-Access UDISKPDU01_4G 8AI2.0 0.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 Feb 1 16:02:54 niklaspc [ 2029.850262] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] 7897088 512-byte hardware sectors: (4.04 GB/3.76 GiB) Feb 1 16:02:54 niklaspc [ 2029.851573] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off Feb 1 16:02:54 niklaspc [ 2029.851576] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 00 00 00 00 Feb 1 16:02:54 niklaspc [ 2029.851579] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through Feb 1 16:02:54 niklaspc [ 2029.854134] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] 7897088 512-byte hardware sectors: (4.04 GB/3.76 GiB) Feb 1 16:02:54 niklaspc [ 2029.855504] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off Feb 1 16:02:54 niklaspc [ 2029.855507] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 00 00 00 00 Feb 1 16:02:54 niklaspc [ 2029.855510] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through Feb 1 16:02:54 niklaspc [ 2029.855514] sdc: sdc1 Feb 1 16:02:54 niklaspc [ 2029.959771] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk Feb 1 16:02:54 niklaspc [ 2029.959845] sd 9:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0 Feb 1 16:02:54 niklaspc [ 2029.960368] usb-storage: device scan complete Greetings, Niklas -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Gnome-doesn%27t-recognize-removable-media-tp21776169p21810886.html Sent from the gentoo-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: games-fps without blood
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 07:34:02 +0300 Andrew Gaydenko a...@gaydenko.com wrote: My country isn't included in paypal list, so, I'm going to stick to the portage tree :-) Judging by network/domain whois and your name, I assume you're from the same country as I am, and paypal works perfectly for me with both visa and mastercard. You don't even have to register for a single (not too large) transaction. -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] libtool problem
On 3 Feb, Neil Bothwick wrote: Re-emerge gcc-4.3.3 - this was fixed without a revision bump. ^^^ I do love this !!! Many thanks, Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
[gentoo-user] fcdsl
Hi all, I know that there is a bug open at http://bugs.gentoo.org/232511 regarding fcdsl and current kernels 2.6.2*, but please let me ask whether some of you might have figured out how to make fcdsl work with the current kernels. Thanks, Hans -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01
Re: [gentoo-user] libtool problem
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:03:00 +0100 (CET) Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: I do love this !!! And I hate to re-emerge same gcc every time some minor bug (which I didn't happen to reproduce) is fixed. -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] libtool problem
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 20:23:17 +0500, Mike Kazantsev wrote: And I hate to re-emerge same gcc every time some minor bug (which I didn't happen to reproduce) is fixed. IKWYM but I think, on balance, this one would have benefited from a bump as the effects of the breakage were quite widespread. It did make a difference to the installed files, which is the usual criterion for a bump. -- Neil Bothwick THE BORG: Calm, Cool and Collective... signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] problem with mail server
Hello I'm testing mail server with mysql backend. Generally it works quite well. But from time to time during testing, single mails can't be send because of smtp errors: in mail.log Feb 3 13:47:37 mail postfix/smtpd[28339]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[ip]: 451 4.3.0 u...@domain.org: piotr...@kujawy.com.pl Temporary lookup failure; from=u...@domain.org piotr...@kujawy.com.pl to= u...@domain2.org piotr...@kujawy.com.pl proto=ESMTP helo=domain.org in mail.warn Feb 3 13:47:37 kurier4 postfix/trivial-rewrite[2438]: warning: transport_maps lookup failure when I check transport_map: postconf | grep transport_map address_verify_transport_maps = $transport_maps fallback_transport_maps = mailbox_transport_maps = mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.localdomain, $transport_maps proxy_read_maps = $local_recipient_maps $mydestination $virtual_alias_maps $virtual_alias_domains $virtual_mailbox_maps $virtual_mailbox_domains $relay_recipient_maps $relay_domains $canonical_maps $sender_canonical_maps $recipient_canonical_maps $relocated_maps $transport_maps $mynetworks transport_maps = mysql:/etc/mail/sql/mysql-transport.cf my /etc/mail/sql/mysql-transport.cf looks like that: user = postfix password = password dbname = maildb table = transport select_field = destination where_field = domain hosts = 127.0.0.1 Generally I'm thinking that it could be mysql error - but there is nothing wrong in its error log... I set really big limit of concurrent connections max_user_connections = 1000 So what can be wrong? Any ideas? Thank in progress for any help best regards nichu
Re: [gentoo-user] libtool problem
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:15:55 +0100 (CET), Helmut Jarausch wrote: since a short time many (not all) packages fail to build with a message like /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.2/libgomp.la The problem is that I have upgraded to gcc-4.3.3 so there is no path /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.2 anymore. Re-emerge gcc-4.3.3 - this was fixed without a revision bump. -- Neil Bothwick A man needs a mistress - just to break the monogamy signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Different servers behind the same router
I have a home server running gentoo for personal use (irc, home entertainment, file server etc.). It is reachable from the internet using a dyamic dns service (dyndns.org). I also have another machine (running gentoo too) that I use as a web server. This machine uses dyndns.org, with a different name. Both machines connect to my modem/router via pppoe so they get 2 different IPs. This modem can also be configured to be used as a router so it connects directly to the internet and shares the same IP between the clients. What happens if I decide to switch to the router configuration? If I have a single IP for all the machines in the LAN, when someone from the outside will try to connect to homeserver.foo or to webserver.bar, will they be routed to the correct machine? Are there other setups I should look into? === TopperH === pgp1k06QA1zLH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Different servers behind the same router
On 3 Feb 2009, at 17:43, Momesso Andrea wrote: ... What happens if I decide to switch to the router configuration? If I have a single IP for all the machines in the LAN, when someone from the outside will try to connect to homeserver.foo or to webserver.bar, will they be routed to the correct machine? No, they will all reach the router's IP address. It will have an option for port forwarding so that you can forward port 80 to the webserver and ports 25 110 to the mail server. If you have two webservers behind the router then you need to use one to proxy forward to the other. NAT is another Google keyword. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.2 compile problem
On Tuesday 03 February 2009 12:53:22 am Dirk Uys wrote: Hi I'm trying to emerge kde-4.2, but the kde-base/systemsettings-4.2.0 ebuild fails: Scanning dependencies of target kdeinit_kxkb [ 23%] Building CXX object kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_kxkb.dir/kdeinit_kxkb_automoc.o [ 24%] Building CXX object kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_kxkb.dir/rules.o Linking CXX shared module ../../lib/kcm_keyboard_layout.so CMakeFiles/kcm_keyboard_layout.dir/x11helper.o: In function `X11Helper::registerForNewDeviceEvent(_XDisplay*)': x11helper.cpp:(.text+0x21): undefined reference to `_XiGetDevicePresenceNotifyEvent(_XDisplay*)' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [lib/kcm_keyboard_layout.so] Error 1 make[1]: *** [kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kcm_keyboard_layout.dir/all] Error 2 make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs [ 24%] Building CXX object kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_kxkb.dir/kxkbconfig.o [ 24%] Building CXX object kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_kxkb.dir/extension.o [ 25%] Building CXX object kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_kxkb.dir/x11helper.o [ 25%] Building CXX object kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_kxkb.dir/pixmap.o [ 26%] Building CXX object kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_kxkb.dir/xklavier_adaptor.o [ 26%] Building CXX object kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_kxkb.dir/kxkbcore.o [ 27%] Building CXX object kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_kxkb.dir/layoutmap.o [ 27%] Building CXX object kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_kxkb.dir/kxkbapp.o [ 27%] Building CXX object kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_kxkb.dir/kxkbwidget.o [ 28%] Building CXX object kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_kxkb.dir/kxkb_adaptor.o [ 28%] Building CXX object kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_kxkb.dir/kxkb_part.o /var/tmp/portage/kde-base/systemsettings-4.2.0/work/systemsettings-4.2.0/kc ontrol/kxkb/kxkb_part.cpp:37: warning: unused parameter 'args' Linking CXX shared library ../../lib/libkdeinit4_kxkb.so CMakeFiles/kdeinit_kxkb.dir/x11helper.o: In function `X11Helper::registerForNewDeviceEvent(_XDisplay*)': x11helper.cpp:(.text+0x21): undefined reference to `_XiGetDevicePresenceNotifyEvent(_XDisplay*)' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [lib/libkdeinit4_kxkb.so] Error 1 make[1]: *** [kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kdeinit_kxkb.dir/all] Error 2 make: *** [all] Error 2 I have the latest version of libXi (1.2.0). I tried searching the net, but the only answer I got was that some guy on the kde forums had the same problem and resolved it by installing the latest version of libXi from the repository. Have anyone else successfully built kde4.2? Regards Dirk It compiled with zero errors on a 32bit x86 with the necessary ebuilds autounmasked. If you need more info, feel free to email me direct. -- * From the desk of: Jerome D. McBride 06:37:10 up 48 days, 12:43, 5 users, load average: 2.87, 1.30, 0.49 *
[gentoo-user] Re: games-fps without blood
Andrew Gaydenko a at gaydenko.com writes: Has ~amd64 portage such games for my 7 years old son? BZflag.org is very cool 3D tank game, where you play others across the net. No blood and cursing by players get's you booted. My kids all love it! hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Different servers behind the same router
On Feb 3, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Momesso Andrea momesso.and...@gmail.com wrote: I have a home server running gentoo for personal use (irc, home entertainment, file server etc.). It is reachable from the internet using a dyamic dns service (dyndns.org). I also have another machine (running gentoo too) that I use as a web server. This machine uses dyndns.org, with a different name. Both machines connect to my modem/router via pppoe so they get 2 different IPs. This modem can also be configured to be used as a router so it connects directly to the internet and shares the same IP between the clients. What happens if I decide to switch to the router configuration? If I have a single IP for all the machines in the LAN, when someone from the outside will try to connect to homeserver.foo or to webserver.bar, will they be routed to the correct machine? Are there other setups I should look into? === TopperH === Configure your router for static IP assignment on the LAN and look at your router's manual for information about port forwarding. Simply forward the required port from the WAN to the associated LAN IP and port number.
Re: [gentoo-user] Different servers behind the same router
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 01:47:00PM -0500, Saphirus Sage wrote: On Feb 3, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Momesso Andrea momesso.and...@gmail.com wrote: I have a home server running gentoo for personal use (irc, home entertainment, file server etc.). It is reachable from the internet using a dyamic dns service (dyndns.org). I also have another machine (running gentoo too) that I use as a web server. This machine uses dyndns.org, with a different name. Both machines connect to my modem/router via pppoe so they get 2 different IPs. This modem can also be configured to be used as a router so it connects directly to the internet and shares the same IP between the clients. What happens if I decide to switch to the router configuration? If I have a single IP for all the machines in the LAN, when someone from the outside will try to connect to homeserver.foo or to webserver.bar, will they be routed to the correct machine? Are there other setups I should look into? === TopperH === Configure your router for static IP assignment on the LAN and look at your router's manual for information about port forwarding. Simply forward the required port from the WAN to the associated LAN IP and port number. Does it mean that I will need to have one single dyndns name and the connection will be forwarded depending on the port, or I will still be able to have different names? === TopperH === pgpOYgKBeAyvD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Different servers behind the same router
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 05:52:13PM +, Stroller wrote: On 3 Feb 2009, at 17:43, Momesso Andrea wrote: ... What happens if I decide to switch to the router configuration? If I have a single IP for all the machines in the LAN, when someone from the outside will try to connect to homeserver.foo or to webserver.bar, will they be routed to the correct machine? No, they will all reach the router's IP address. It will have an option for port forwarding so that you can forward port 80 to the webserver and ports 25 110 to the mail server. If you have two webservers behind the router then you need to use one to proxy forward to the other. NAT is another Google keyword. Stroller. Is it correct to say that the configuration I alredy have (pppoe and different IPs) is the best choice? === TopperH === pgpHuEUMKEBRb.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
I do a daily 'emerge -avDuN world' to keep everything up to date, but I've noticed it doesn't always find everything. As an example: # emerge -avDuN world These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! Total: 0 packages, Size of downloads: 0 kB Nothing to merge; would you like to auto-clean packages? [Yes/No] Auto-cleaning packages... No outdated packages were found on your system. # emerge -pv boost These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild UD] dev-util/boost-build-1.34.1 [1.35.0-r1] USE=python (-examples%) 0 kB [ebuild UD] dev-libs/boost-1.34.1-r2 [1.35.0-r2] USE=-debug -doc -icu -pyste% -tools (-expat%) (-mpi%) 0 kB Total: 2 packages (2 downgrades), Size of downloads: 0 kB # equery depends boost [ Searching for packages depending on boost... ] net-im/twinkle-1.0.1-r1 (dev-libs/boost) net-libs/rb_libtorrent-0.14.1 (=dev-libs/boost-1.34) (=dev-libs/boost-1.35) Is portage supposed to pick up on this with 'emerge -avDuN world'? - Grant
[gentoo-user] EHCI/OHCI and USB 1.1 Support
In a recent upgrade to my laptop EHCI supported was added to my kernel, I thought that this would be a good thing because I have a USB 2.0 external harddrive that I connect to my laptop for additional storage and media. I also use a Logitech Quickcam Deluxe for Notebooks which is a USB 1.1 device and since that upgrade I have had issues with the webcam being disconnected at random. After some research into the cause it appeared to be an issue with ehci support and usb 1.1 devices. My question is for my laptop, a dell inspiron e1405 with an intel ICH7 chipset is there a way to use both USB 2.0 support and USB 1.1 support in a way that wont cause conflicts of my computer. the output of lspci is displayed below. Right now my current workaround is to have all usb support built as modules and ensure that ehci does not get loaded. Thanks guys LSPCI 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 01) 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 01) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01) 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 01) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e1) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01) 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) SATA IDE Controller (rev 01) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 01) 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02) 02:01.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller 02:01.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 19) 02:01.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C843 MMC Host Controller (rev 01) 02:01.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter (rev 0a) 02:01.4 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev 05) 0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: games-fps without blood
Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Ups.. He-he... :-) I have thought it is frame per second - is related to 3D reality reconstruction, where GL, *fps* and such are needed, used, told about. Fine! Probably there are not-FPS :-) beauty (rich 3D) games for little boy, are not they? Well, if you can lower your requirements a little to include 2D games then there are quite a few interesting games: 2D: 1. Freedroid 2. Frozen Bubble 3. Rocks n' diamonds 4. XMoto ... of course there are a few that contain indirect violence like freeciv, battle for wesnoth, etc. 3D: 5. Neverball / Neverputt 6. Planetpenguin racer ... I'm sure there are more examples out there... Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] DVD RW (recommendations
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 19:04:37 + (UTC), James wrote: Any cheap DVD rw that have success writing to the many forms of rw DVDS, that one would recommend? I have an Optimax SATA DVD-RW/DVD+RW/DVD-RAM drive that cost about £18 a year ago. -- Neil Bothwick Nymphomania-- an illness you hear about but never encounter. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] DVD RW (recommendations
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Hello SATA or Eide on DVD rw choices (internal unit). Any cheap DVD rw that have success writing to the many forms of rw DVDS, that one would recommend? Any bands (plextor?) to avoid on gentoo? I think they should mostly be the same these days... Mine is a SATA Sony Optiarc (formerly NEC) AWG170S and I think it's probably around $20 USD now. Works fine for me since 2007. If you want to do any exotic stuff with hidden tracks on audio CDs, overburning, etc then you need to find specific drives... but I think for burning normal data discs most of the cheap drives now support every format.
Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:29:01 -0800, Grant wrote: Is portage supposed to pick up on this with 'emerge -avDuN world'? Not if these are build-time dependencies, in which case they'll only be picked up when you use --with-bdeps y. This is becoming a VFAQ. -- Neil Bothwick If weather bureaus were honest, they would call themselves non prophet organizations signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] DVD RW (recommendations
Hello SATA or Eide on DVD rw choices (internal unit). Any cheap DVD rw that have success writing to the many forms of rw DVDS, that one would recommend? Any bands (plextor?) to avoid on gentoo? James
Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:29:01 -0800, Grant wrote: Is portage supposed to pick up on this with 'emerge -avDuN world'? Not if these are build-time dependencies, in which case they'll only be picked up when you use --with-bdeps y. This is becoming a VFAQ. I can't imagine boost is a build-time dep, though.
Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:29:01 -0800, Grant wrote: Is portage supposed to pick up on this with 'emerge -avDuN world'? Not if these are build-time dependencies, in which case they'll only be picked up when you use --with-bdeps y. This is becoming a VFAQ. -- Neil Bothwick When this was asked a few weeks ago someone then asked why --with-bdeps Y isn't the default? This seems to burn nearly everyone once in awhile. - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:29:01 -0800, Grant wrote: Is portage supposed to pick up on this with 'emerge -avDuN world'? Not if these are build-time dependencies, in which case they'll only be picked up when you use --with-bdeps y. This is becoming a VFAQ. -- Neil Bothwick When this was asked a few weeks ago someone then asked why --with-bdeps Y isn't the default? This seems to burn nearly everyone once in awhile. When I asked a similar question, the whole bdeps thing was a red herring. The cause in my case was ebuilds changing without having the version increased. I guess portage uses the tree vs installed ebuild cache depending on what you ask of it. For example when I installed foo it did not have bar as a dep, so --deep doesn't find it. However, the same version of foo that i have installed now includes the dep for bar, so other commands/tools which look at the ebuilds in the tree will see it like that (or re-emerging foo). Maybe that's not how it works (I'm no portage expert, just a average user). Back to the OP's exact problem: It looks like it wants to downgrade boost from 1.35.0-r1 down to 1.34.1. 1.35.0-r2 is testing (~arch) while 1.34.1-2 is stable. Did you override arch when emerging?
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.2 compile problem
On Tuesday 03 February 2009 06:53:22 Dirk Uys wrote: Hi I'm trying to emerge kde-4.2, but the kde-base/systemsettings-4.2.0 ebuild fails: snipped I have the latest version of libXi (1.2.0). I tried searching the net, but the only answer I got was that some guy on the kde forums had the same problem and resolved it by installing the latest version of libXi from the repository. Have anyone else successfully built kde4.2? Today succesfully installed kde4.2 on amd64. I first removed my old KDE completely and then installed it on a clean system. Only reinstalling the old kde libs for programs that have not yet been ported to kde4.2. Not run into any problems so far. Did have to unmask (~amd64) quite a few packages to get it to install. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] games-fps without blood
On Tuesday 03 February 2009 00:26:19 Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Has ~amd64 portage such games for my 7 years old son? Have a look at worldofpadman, not seen any blood in there :) You fight with paintguns and such like and it all looks cartoony. http://worldofpadman.com/ -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] DVD RW (recommendations
James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: SATA or Eide on DVD rw choices (internal unit). Does Linux support ATAPI for your SATA interface? Any cheap DVD rw that have success writing to the many forms of rw DVDS, that one would recommend? Any bands (plextor?) to avoid on gentoo? How abot looking for well known brands like Pioneer and Optiarc? There are also TSST and HLDST Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] DVD RW (recommendations
2009/2/3 James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com: Hello SATA or Eide on DVD rw choices (internal unit). Any cheap DVD rw that have success writing to the many forms of rw DVDS, that one would recommend? Any bands (plextor?) to avoid on gentoo? James Hi James! I use LG burners for every pc and I'm very happy with them. They seem to be very compatible (at least they burned every DVD my friends brought to me and they get trademarks that I never saw before...) and also have good test results. For the decision between S-ATA and IDE: I can recommend using S-ATA. One reason is that most boards have got only one IDE Channel left, second reason is the S-ATA cable is smaller though the air can pass easier through the pc and third they start to be cheaper than the IDE ones. -- Currently developing a browsergame... http://www.p-game.de Trade - Expand - Fight Follow me at twitter! http://twitter.com/moortier
[gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instruction set. Where did that bit of apocrypha come from, and why is it parroted by so many people? AFAICT, the performance benefit due to compiler optimization is practically nil in real-world usage. In my experience the huge benefit of source-based distros such as Gentoo is elimination of the library dependency-hell that mires other binary-based distros. For many years I ran RedHat and then Mandrake. After a year or so, they became impossible to maintain because of library version conflicts. Every time I tried up upgrade an RPM package to fix a bug or security hole, it required a handful of libraries to be upgraded, but doing that would break a bunch of other RPMs for which upgrades weren't available. The solution was always to start building stuff from sources. Once you started doing that, the package manager would get upset because it doesn't know about some stuff that's installed (unless you built from source RPMs, which had another set of problems). The second benefit is that with Gentoo, upgrading a system actually works over the long-run. With RedHat/Mandrake, things would gradually deteriorate to the point where the system was unmaintainable, but attempting to upgrade between major releases was always futile. I've had Gentoo machines that have been upgraded for 4-5 years without any significant problems (failed hard-drives don't count). The third main benefit I've seen is that there are vastly more packages available for Gentoo. Putting together and maintaining an ebuild appears to take a lot less work than putting together and maintaining a binary RPM package. I've had far fewer problems with third party ebuilds than I did with third-party RPMs (on the rare occasions when I found one for some obscure application I wanted to run). Again, the solution was always build from sources. Are the real benefits of Gentoo too hard to explain to the unwashed masses, so instead they're told the fairy tale about imporoved performance? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! ! Up ahead! It's a at DONUT HUT!! visi.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: AFAICT, the performance benefit due to compiler optimization is practically nil in real-world usage. It used to make a difference, but not anymore with today microprocessors. In my experience the huge benefit of source-based distros such as Gentoo is elimination of the library dependency-hell that mires other binary-based distros. maybe redhat had that problem, but others (debian based distros for example) doesn't have dep hell AFAICS (I run Debian and Ubuntu based servers and desktops) The second benefit is that with Gentoo, upgrading a system actually works over the long-run. With RedHat/Mandrake, things would gradually deteriorate to the point where the system was unmaintainable, Same point. Maybe only a problem with RH. The third main benefit I've seen is that there are vastly more packages available for Gentoo. Hm.. Depends on what packages you're interested. You have no commercial support if you run Gentoo from -for example- VMware. Putting together and maintaining an ebuild appears to take a lot less work than putting together and maintaining a binary RPM package. Maybe. I haven't tried to make a RPM package, but I tried DEB. It's almost as easy as with Gentoo. Are the real benefits of Gentoo too hard to explain to the unwashed masses, so instead they're told the fairy tale about imporoved performance? Gentoo has -from my point of view- only one benefit: if you're a developer, you'll love Gentoo as every dev-dependency is already installed. Other than that, I see none. Now, if Gentoo devs could be as kind as -for example- Ubuntu devs, that would rock. But they aren,t and so -after 7 years- I'm looking for another distro to migrate to. Kubuntu is one of my favorites. I'm testing Fedora and openSuSE. Who will win? Gentoo just doesn't make sense anymore for me - unless you're a masochist :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
Grant Edwards wrote: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instruction set. Where did that bit of apocrypha come from, and why is it parroted by so many people? AFAICT, the performance benefit due to compiler optimization is practically nil in real-world usage. In my experience the huge benefit of source-based distros such as Gentoo is elimination of the library dependency-hell that mires other binary-based distros. For many years I ran RedHat and then Mandrake. After a year or so, they became impossible to maintain because of library version conflicts. Every time I tried up upgrade an RPM package to fix a bug or security hole, it required a handful of libraries to be upgraded, but doing that would break a bunch of other RPMs for which upgrades weren't available. The solution was always to start building stuff from sources. Once you started doing that, the package manager would get upset because it doesn't know about some stuff that's installed (unless you built from source RPMs, which had another set of problems). The second benefit is that with Gentoo, upgrading a system actually works over the long-run. With RedHat/Mandrake, things would gradually deteriorate to the point where the system was unmaintainable, but attempting to upgrade between major releases was always futile. I've had Gentoo machines that have been upgraded for 4-5 years without any significant problems (failed hard-drives don't count). The third main benefit I've seen is that there are vastly more packages available for Gentoo. Putting together and maintaining an ebuild appears to take a lot less work than putting together and maintaining a binary RPM package. I've had far fewer problems with third party ebuilds than I did with third-party RPMs (on the rare occasions when I found one for some obscure application I wanted to run). Again, the solution was always build from sources. Are the real benefits of Gentoo too hard to explain to the unwashed masses, so instead they're told the fairy tale about imporoved performance? Being a metadistribution, the concept of higher performance isn't quite that much of a fairy tale. If you can easily configure your system to a specific purpose, that would ideally lead to better performance, whether it be due to the specialization of the system or at least a placebo effect on the user. Gentoo is honestly my first linux system, so I don't really have the experience of library conflicts of binary distros. People in general will usually just want confirmation that something has benefits over what they currently have, irregardless of evidence of exactly why it is better, so that may be part of why so many supporters parrot the same view regarding Gentoo. On the other hand, I just take a lot of it as peace of mind in that all the responsibility for how my system is running is directly mine, as opposed to being able to blame someone who made a bad RPM. I like knowing any little factor of my system and what it's doing.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
2009/2/3 Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instruction set. Where did that bit of apocrypha come from, and why is it parroted by so many people? I guess that is because the average user doesn't know those other problems. Maybe he is used to reinstall his system every few months because he used Windows before (which was the case for me, I repeat was). Or he just reinstalls it when something fails. Also this sounds like a very strong argument. Just imagine! That shiny new CPU of yours and it wasn't running at it's full potential! But wait no more! Use Gentoo and it'll show the power of all its instructions! AFAICT, the performance benefit due to compiler optimization is practically nil in real-world usage. Not nil, but very very small. Maybe some 0.25 oder 0.5 frames per second in a game or 2 or 3 requests more per second for a webserver. I tried that. In my experience the huge benefit of source-based distros such as Gentoo is elimination of the library dependency-hell that mires other binary-based distros. You are absolutely right! For many years I ran RedHat and then Mandrake. After a year or so, they became impossible to maintain because of library version conflicts. Every time I tried up upgrade an RPM package to fix a bug or security hole, it required a handful of libraries to be upgraded, but doing that would break a bunch of other RPMs for which upgrades weren't available. The solution was always to start building stuff from sources. Once you started doing that, the package manager would get upset because it doesn't know about some stuff that's installed (unless you built from source RPMs, which had another set of problems). The second benefit is that with Gentoo, upgrading a system actually works over the long-run. With RedHat/Mandrake, things would gradually deteriorate to the point where the system was unmaintainable, but attempting to upgrade between major releases was always futile. I've had Gentoo machines that have been upgraded for 4-5 years without any significant problems (failed hard-drives don't count). I hope mine will run as long as yours :) But I'm quite sure it will. I just love that I can pick newer packages by unkeywording them and I don't have all those library problems that I would happen with other distributions. (Which can sometimes be avoided with backports, I know, but those aren't always available...) The third main benefit I've seen is that there are vastly more packages available for Gentoo. Putting together and maintaining an ebuild appears to take a lot less work than putting together and maintaining a binary RPM package. I've had far fewer problems with third party ebuilds than I did with third-party RPMs (on the rare occasions when I found one for some obscure application I wanted to run). Again, the solution was always build from sources. Hmm.. I think making an ebuild is even harder. Because you have got different combinations of USE flags and if you are a good maintainer you should check them all, if you build an rpm it is fine if it works. With 4 USE flags there are already 31 possible combinations just imagine some larger packets with ten and more USE Flags... Are the real benefits of Gentoo too hard to explain to the unwashed masses, so instead they're told the fairy tale about imporoved performance? I guess yes, because they just install packages from their distribution or wildly from the internet so they destroy their installation and have to reinstall anyways. And by the way, I love the slogan Gentoo - It's all about choices maybe it should be used more often, maybe it could beat that improved performance slogan. -- Currently developing a browsergame... http://www.p-game.de Trade - Expand - Fight Follow me at twitter! http://twitter.com/moortier
Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: When this was asked a few weeks ago someone then asked why --with-bdeps Y isn't the default? This seems to burn nearly everyone once in awhile. Because using --with-bdeps y causes unnecessary compilation of packages that don't need t0 be changed. They won't be used again until the dependent package is updated, so why waste time rebuilding them in the interim? No one really gets burned by this, they just wonder why installed packages aren't upgraded, nothing stops working. I added: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--with-bdeps n to make.conf and ran 'emerge --depclean' and it got rid of a bunch of stuff, but I'm still confused by boost. --depclean didn't remove it, 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't downgrade it even --with-bdeps y, but 'emerge -pv boost' would downgrade it. I also re-emerged twinkle and rb_libtorrent which are the packages that depend on boost, but the result is the same. Also man seems to be broken after that --depclean. When I try to use it, I get errors starting with: sh: /usr/bin/unlzma: No such file or directory Yeah... removing all those bdeps is probably not a good idea. Plus, they'll just have to be re-emerged next time you emerge anything that needs them.
Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
Grant wrote: When this was asked a few weeks ago someone then asked why --with-bdeps Y isn't the default? This seems to burn nearly everyone once in awhile. Because using --with-bdeps y causes unnecessary compilation of packages that don't need t0 be changed. They won't be used again until the dependent package is updated, so why waste time rebuilding them in the interim? No one really gets burned by this, they just wonder why installed packages aren't upgraded, nothing stops working. I added: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--with-bdeps n to make.conf and ran 'emerge --depclean' and it got rid of a bunch of stuff, but I'm still confused by boost. --depclean didn't remove it, 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't downgrade it even --with-bdeps y, but 'emerge -pv boost' would downgrade it. I also re-emerged twinkle and rb_libtorrent which are the packages that depend on boost, but the result is the same. Also man seems to be broken after that --depclean. When I try to use it, I get errors starting with: sh: /usr/bin/unlzma: No such file or directory - Grant This may help. r...@smoker / # equery belongs /usr/bin/unlzma [ Searching for file(s) /usr/bin/unlzma in *... ] app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 (/usr/bin/unlzma - lzma) r...@smoker / # I would rebuild that or see why it is not already installed. I would think that would be part of system??? I'm not sure tho. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
It is not just about higher performance. The same way you can have higher performance, the same way you can use less flags and less optimizations for a solid/stable system. You are just not bounded (most of the times) to fixed choices others doing for you.
Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
When this was asked a few weeks ago someone then asked why --with-bdeps Y isn't the default? This seems to burn nearly everyone once in awhile. Because using --with-bdeps y causes unnecessary compilation of packages that don't need t0 be changed. They won't be used again until the dependent package is updated, so why waste time rebuilding them in the interim? No one really gets burned by this, they just wonder why installed packages aren't upgraded, nothing stops working. I added: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--with-bdeps n to make.conf and ran 'emerge --depclean' and it got rid of a bunch of stuff, but I'm still confused by boost. --depclean didn't remove it, 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't downgrade it even --with-bdeps y, but 'emerge -pv boost' would downgrade it. I also re-emerged twinkle and rb_libtorrent which are the packages that depend on boost, but the result is the same. Also man seems to be broken after that --depclean. When I try to use it, I get errors starting with: sh: /usr/bin/unlzma: No such file or directory - Grant This may help. r...@smoker / # equery belongs /usr/bin/unlzma [ Searching for file(s) /usr/bin/unlzma in *... ] app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 (/usr/bin/unlzma - lzma) r...@smoker / # I would rebuild that or see why it is not already installed. I would think that would be part of system??? I'm not sure tho. I seem to recall some switch from LZMA to BZ2 manpages in an etc-update recently ... emerging lzma-utils fixed it, thank you. I always etc-update as soon as the packages are built. Should lzma-utils be a dependency of something? - Grant
[gentoo-user] Re: DVD RW (recommendations
James wrote: Hello SATA or Eide on DVD rw choices (internal unit). Any cheap DVD rw that have success writing to the many forms of rw DVDS, that one would recommend? Any bands (plextor?) to avoid on gentoo? Instead of recommending what I have, I'll recommend what disc burning lunatics recommend (the folks from cdfreaks.com for example): The LG LS GH20LS15 is an excellent burner with very good write quality (read: your discs will live longer). It's a CD/DVD+R/DVD-R/Dual Layer combo burner. It's also very cheap (16 bucks here; that is Euros). It's a SATA drive. If you can't find the exact model, any LG model with GH20 in the name will do. Make sure NOT to get a GH22 model (like GH22LS30). Those have poor write quality due to a different chipset that doesn't perform well.
[gentoo-user] Re: Different servers behind the same router
Momesso Andrea wrote: On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 05:52:13PM +, Stroller wrote: On 3 Feb 2009, at 17:43, Momesso Andrea wrote: ... What happens if I decide to switch to the router configuration? If I have a single IP for all the machines in the LAN, when someone from the outside will try to connect to homeserver.foo or to webserver.bar, will they be routed to the correct machine? No, they will all reach the router's IP address. It will have an option for port forwarding so that you can forward port 80 to the webserver and ports 25 110 to the mail server. If you have two webservers behind the router then you need to use one to proxy forward to the other. NAT is another Google keyword. Stroller. Is it correct to say that the configuration I alredy have (pppoe and different IPs) is the best choice? Since your ISP offers you the option to have two different IP, yes that the best choice. Over here I would have to pay quite some money to get an extra IP. So you're lucky I guess. Also, if your ISP allows PPPoA too instead of only PPPoE, use that instead. It's a bit more optimal due to less overhead. But it's not critical or something. Just a little and safe optimization.
Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
When this was asked a few weeks ago someone then asked why --with-bdeps Y isn't the default? This seems to burn nearly everyone once in awhile. Because using --with-bdeps y causes unnecessary compilation of packages that don't need t0 be changed. They won't be used again until the dependent package is updated, so why waste time rebuilding them in the interim? No one really gets burned by this, they just wonder why installed packages aren't upgraded, nothing stops working. I added: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--with-bdeps n to make.conf and ran 'emerge --depclean' and it got rid of a bunch of stuff, but I'm still confused by boost. --depclean didn't remove it, 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't downgrade it even --with-bdeps y, but 'emerge -pv boost' would downgrade it. I also re-emerged twinkle and rb_libtorrent which are the packages that depend on boost, but the result is the same. Also man seems to be broken after that --depclean. When I try to use it, I get errors starting with: sh: /usr/bin/unlzma: No such file or directory - Grant This may help. r...@smoker / # equery belongs /usr/bin/unlzma [ Searching for file(s) /usr/bin/unlzma in *... ] app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 (/usr/bin/unlzma - lzma) r...@smoker / # I would rebuild that or see why it is not already installed. I would think that would be part of system??? I'm not sure tho. I seem to recall some switch from LZMA to BZ2 manpages in an etc-update recently ... emerging lzma-utils fixed it, thank you. I always etc-update as soon as the packages are built. Should lzma-utils be a dependency of something? - Grant Weird, --depclean wants to remove lzma-utils again even though: # equery depends lzma-utils [ Searching for packages depending on lzma-utils... ] dev-libs/mpfr-2.3.2 (app-arch/lzma-utils) media-libs/libpng-1.2.34 (app-arch/lzma-utils) media-libs/netpbm-10.44.00-r1 (app-arch/lzma-utils) net-dns/dnsmasq-2.45 (app-arch/lzma-utils) net-misc/netkit-rsh-0.17-r9 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-apps/coreutils-6.10-r2 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-apps/net-tools-1.60_p20071202044231-r1 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-devel/m4-1.4.11 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.6.27-r2 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-libs/gpm-1.20.5 (app-arch/lzma-utils) Maybe it's listed as a build-time dependency of coreutils when it should be runtime? - Grant
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
Grant Edwards wrote: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instruction set. Where did that bit of apocrypha come from, and why is it parroted by so many people? AFAICT, the performance benefit due to compiler optimization is practically nil in real-world usage. I get a bit of a performance boost in some corner cases, like encoding videos with x264. But these small stand-alone programs can be compiled from source with custom optimization options easily even in binary distros. So all in all, I agree. Using Gentoo is nowadays not so much a matter of performance optimization but of better control of how to build the packages and the rolling release nature (I'm tired of major updates every 6 months in the majority of binary distros.) I also like the USE flags which let me chose how to build something and get rid of dependencies I don't need. Administrative features like dispatch-conf are also very useful. A downside is that you'll need fast machines to comfortably build packages. I wouldn't use it on my Pentium 3 800Mhz for example. That would take ages to compile system/world with recent GCC versions. I guess GCC was much faster in the 2.x versions back then?
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instruction set. Where did that bit of apocrypha come from, and why is it parroted by so many people? I've never done any benchmarks on my system of i386 vs core2 or anything like that... I think the fact that gentoo allows you to control compiler flags which can potentially give you speedups is more of it. But, like you, building from source is kind of a side-effect of Gentoo and not the reason why. Compiling for the sake of compiling is just a waste of time, and that's why a lot of people say Just use Ubuntu or whatever. AFAICT, the performance benefit due to compiler optimization is practically nil in real-world usage. I can't say, but it feels right to use things tuned for your specific hardware, even if it's meaningless. And some things like running 64-bit vs 32-bit definitely makes a difference. But, absolutely, the time spent compiling for core2 versus installing a binary package for i586 is never going to be worth it. In my experience the huge benefit of source-based distros such as Gentoo is elimination of the library dependency-hell that mires other binary-based distros. I agree completely. Portage and the lack of dependency nightmares (usually :) ) is so nice. Things like live SVN ebuilds are so simple to maintain, rather than building binary snapshots etc. I'm a 4-year or so Gentoo user, and have donated money, and using redhat at work is always a nightmare when I'm used to the flexibility of Gentoo :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: DVD RW (recommendations
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: James wrote: Hello SATA or Eide on DVD rw choices (internal unit). Any cheap DVD rw that have success writing to the many forms of rw DVDS, that one would recommend? Any bands (plextor?) to avoid on gentoo? Instead of recommending what I have, I'll recommend what disc burning lunatics recommend (the folks from cdfreaks.com for example): The LG LS GH20LS15 is an excellent burner with very good write quality (read: your discs will live longer). It's a CD/DVD+R/DVD-R/Dual Layer combo burner. It's also very cheap (16 bucks here; that is Euros). It's a SATA drive. If you can't find the exact model, any LG model with GH20 in the name will do. Make sure NOT to get a GH22 model (like GH22LS30). Those have poor write quality due to a different chipset that doesn't perform well. Check this link to find out which DVD-RW is suit for you: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENEN=201015%201036506653name=DVD%20Burner I use this DVD burner (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827129023) in an external box and have no complain about it.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: pidgin build error
Hi had to rebuild all perl related packages as they were compiled with 486 CHOST (not sure how it happenend, maybe wrong stage?¿?) I found packages: equery belongs /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i486-linux/ HTH to otehr with same problem... but maybe is better to check wiki for doc how to change CHOST flag. Cheers, Arnau
Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
When this was asked a few weeks ago someone then asked why --with-bdeps Y isn't the default? This seems to burn nearly everyone once in awhile. Because using --with-bdeps y causes unnecessary compilation of packages that don't need t0 be changed. They won't be used again until the dependent package is updated, so why waste time rebuilding them in the interim? No one really gets burned by this, they just wonder why installed packages aren't upgraded, nothing stops working. I added: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--with-bdeps n to make.conf and ran 'emerge --depclean' and it got rid of a bunch of stuff, but I'm still confused by boost. --depclean didn't remove it, 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't downgrade it even --with-bdeps y, but 'emerge -pv boost' would downgrade it. I also re-emerged twinkle and rb_libtorrent which are the packages that depend on boost, but the result is the same. Also man seems to be broken after that --depclean. When I try to use it, I get errors starting with: sh: /usr/bin/unlzma: No such file or directory - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Different servers behind the same router
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:52:13 +, Stroller wrote: No, they will all reach the router's IP address. It will have an option for port forwarding so that you can forward port 80 to the webserver and ports 25 110 to the mail server. If you have two webservers behind the router then you need to use one to proxy forward to the other. Or run them on different ports. -- Neil Bothwick Newspaper Ad: Dog for sale: eats anything and is fond of children. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Locking down a wireless network
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: My Gentoo router's wireless network is encrypted via WPA and doesn't DHCP. I'd like to take this a step further in case my WPA key gets hacked. Can I issue only certain IPs to certain MAC addresses? Does WPA2 require hardware support? I don't think so. It should just be a driver/firmware update if you've got some device that supports WPA and not WPA2. The AES encryption of WPA2 requires a little more hardware power than WEP or WPA normally uses, but I don't think it needs any special chip or anything like that. You can also do VPN over your wifi connection, and require it for access to the rest of your network or the internet. At least then if someone hacks your wireless key, they still can't do anything without having your VPN certificate. Actually, VPN would rule out my wifi cell phone I bet. Maybe not -- I don't know what kind of phone you've got. I have a Nokia N95 which runs Symbian OS 9 and there are 3 VPN clients that I know of (and the first one is free): http://www.businesssoftware.nokia.com/mobile_vpn_downloads.php http://www.ncp-e.com/en/vpn-szenarien-produkte/vpn-produkte/secure-entry-client.html http://www.symvpn.com/Products/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductId=17 I believe Windows Mobile devices have VPN support built in, but I've never tried it. For iPhone or other phone OS i have no idea as I've never actually used them. Paul It looks like those 3 do work on an N82, but at least the 3rd one can only connect to Windows VPN servers currently. VPN configuration on any of them sounds like it can be a major hassle though. I haven't tried it, but the Telexy SymVPN has just released a new version which supposedly supports linux PPTP VPN now. http://www.telexy.com/Support/Publications.aspx?codeid=A75XR35VU2 There is a free trial.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instruction set. More often than not, when I read that description of Gentoo's advantage it is meant to turn people off. Ricer, etc. - Grant Where did that bit of apocrypha come from, and why is it parroted by so many people? AFAICT, the performance benefit due to compiler optimization is practically nil in real-world usage. In my experience the huge benefit of source-based distros such as Gentoo is elimination of the library dependency-hell that mires other binary-based distros. For many years I ran RedHat and then Mandrake. After a year or so, they became impossible to maintain because of library version conflicts. Every time I tried up upgrade an RPM package to fix a bug or security hole, it required a handful of libraries to be upgraded, but doing that would break a bunch of other RPMs for which upgrades weren't available. The solution was always to start building stuff from sources. Once you started doing that, the package manager would get upset because it doesn't know about some stuff that's installed (unless you built from source RPMs, which had another set of problems). The second benefit is that with Gentoo, upgrading a system actually works over the long-run. With RedHat/Mandrake, things would gradually deteriorate to the point where the system was unmaintainable, but attempting to upgrade between major releases was always futile. I've had Gentoo machines that have been upgraded for 4-5 years without any significant problems (failed hard-drives don't count). The third main benefit I've seen is that there are vastly more packages available for Gentoo. Putting together and maintaining an ebuild appears to take a lot less work than putting together and maintaining a binary RPM package. I've had far fewer problems with third party ebuilds than I did with third-party RPMs (on the rare occasions when I found one for some obscure application I wanted to run). Again, the solution was always build from sources. Are the real benefits of Gentoo too hard to explain to the unwashed masses, so instead they're told the fairy tale about imporoved performance? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! ! Up ahead! It's a
Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Grant wrote: When this was asked a few weeks ago someone then asked why --with-bdeps Y isn't the default? This seems to burn nearly everyone once in awhile. Because using --with-bdeps y causes unnecessary compilation of packages that don't need t0 be changed. They won't be used again until the dependent package is updated, so why waste time rebuilding them in the interim? No one really gets burned by this, they just wonder why installed packages aren't upgraded, nothing stops working. I added: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--with-bdeps n to make.conf and ran 'emerge --depclean' and it got rid of a bunch of stuff, but I'm still confused by boost. --depclean didn't remove it, 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't downgrade it even --with-bdeps y, but 'emerge -pv boost' would downgrade it. I also re-emerged twinkle and rb_libtorrent which are the packages that depend on boost, but the result is the same. Also man seems to be broken after that --depclean. When I try to use it, I get errors starting with: sh: /usr/bin/unlzma: No such file or directory - Grant This may help. r...@smoker / # equery belongs /usr/bin/unlzma [ Searching for file(s) /usr/bin/unlzma in *... ] app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 (/usr/bin/unlzma - lzma) r...@smoker / # I would rebuild that or see why it is not already installed. I would think that would be part of system??? I'm not sure tho. I seem to recall some switch from LZMA to BZ2 manpages in an etc-update recently ...
Re: [gentoo-user] problem with mail server
Marcin Nis'kiewicz wrote: Hello I'm testing mail server with mysql backend. Generally it works quite well. But from time to time during testing, single mails can't be send because of smtp errors: in mail.log Feb 3 13:47:37 mail postfix/smtpd[28339]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[ip]: 451 4.3.0 u...@domain.org: mailto:piotr...@kujawy.com.pl Temporary lookup failure; from=u...@domain.org mailto:piotr...@kujawy.com.pl to=u...@domain2.org mailto:piotr...@kujawy.com.pl proto=ESMTP helo=domain.org http://domain.org in mail.warn Feb 3 13:47:37 kurier4 postfix/trivial-rewrite[2438]: warning: transport_maps lookup failure when I check transport_map: postconf | grep transport_map address_verify_transport_maps = $transport_maps fallback_transport_maps = mailbox_transport_maps = mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.localdomain, $transport_maps proxy_read_maps = $local_recipient_maps $mydestination $virtual_alias_maps $virtual_alias_domains $virtual_mailbox_maps $virtual_mailbox_domains $relay_recipient_maps $relay_domains $canonical_maps $sender_canonical_maps $recipient_canonical_maps $relocated_maps $transport_maps $mynetworks transport_maps = mysql:/etc/mail/sql/mysql-transport.cf http://mysql-transport.cf my /etc/mail/sql/mysql-transport.cf http://mysql-transport.cf looks like that: user = postfix password = password dbname = maildb table = transport select_field = destination where_field = domain hosts = 127.0.0.1 Generally I'm thinking that it could be mysql error - but there is nothing wrong in its error log... I set really big limit of concurrent connections max_user_connections = 1000 So what can be wrong? Any ideas? Thank in progress for any help best regards nichu I think you've got a couple of problems, but none of them individually jump at as the cause of your problems. However making these three changes together might help. 1. Turn your max_user_connections in Mysql down to something sane. Default is 100 which is fine unless you're also running a web app against the same Mysql instance. 2. Use proxy in your Mysql connections from Postfix. Postfix can be configured to open a connection to Mysql and keep it open. Basically acts a connection pool and keep Postfix from opening hundreds of connections to Mysql on a very busy server. I recommend *always* using the proxy: statement anytime you're connecting to Mysql from Postfix. Your new transport_map statement will look like this. transport_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/mail/sql/mysql-transport.cf Generally you shouldn't be running into connection issues because you're hitting Mysql on localhost which means it'll default to a socket connection. It's possible that opening a new session is taking to too long occasionally and using proxy should alleviate that. 3. You're using Postfix 2.1 or earlier query syntax. Hell it might even be Postfix 1.x syntax. This is the new syntax for Postfix 2.2 or better. This really isn't a problem, but the new syntax is far more powerful and suspect bugs that creep into the parser around old syntax aren't noticed or getting fixed. user = postfix password = password hosts = localhost dbname = maildb query = SELECT destination FROM domain WHERE domain='%s' I'm not sure what how-to you've been using, but I'd look at a few others to see some of the other options available. The one you're using seems to be pretty far out of date. While not wrong in any way it isn't taking full advantage of the last seven years of updates in Postfix. kashani
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
On Dienstag 03 Februar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instruction set. Where did that bit of apocrypha come from, and why is it parroted by so many people? because it was true in the beginning, when most distris were still built for 386 and the difference of an optimized built was that you could watch dvd movies without hangs and frame loss. It is still true to a certain degree today - code compiled for 386 runs much slower than code compiled for core2 - on a core2. But on todays overpowered cpus you don't see it as prominent as back on k6-2 400 or p3 650 AFAICT, the performance benefit due to compiler optimization is practically nil in real-world usage. nope, they are there. But compiler optimiziations are a very delicate thing. You can't just throw funroll-all-loops into make.conf and think that was it. And for a general set, march is the most important one. It does do a lot of good - the rest is just minor at best.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
Saphirus Sage wrote: Grant Edwards wrote: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instruction set. Where did that bit of apocrypha come from, and why is it parroted by so many people? AFAICT, the performance benefit due to compiler optimization is practically nil in real-world usage. In my experience the huge benefit of source-based distros such as Gentoo is elimination of the library dependency-hell that mires other binary-based distros. For many years I ran RedHat and then Mandrake. After a year or so, they became impossible to maintain because of library version conflicts. Every time I tried up upgrade an RPM package to fix a bug or security hole, it required a handful of libraries to be upgraded, but doing that would break a bunch of other RPMs for which upgrades weren't available. The solution was always to start building stuff from sources. Once you started doing that, the package manager would get upset because it doesn't know about some stuff that's installed (unless you built from source RPMs, which had another set of problems). The second benefit is that with Gentoo, upgrading a system actually works over the long-run. With RedHat/Mandrake, things would gradually deteriorate to the point where the system was unmaintainable, but attempting to upgrade between major releases was always futile. I've had Gentoo machines that have been upgraded for 4-5 years without any significant problems (failed hard-drives don't count). The third main benefit I've seen is that there are vastly more packages available for Gentoo. Putting together and maintaining an ebuild appears to take a lot less work than putting together and maintaining a binary RPM package. I've had far fewer problems with third party ebuilds than I did with third-party RPMs (on the rare occasions when I found one for some obscure application I wanted to run). Again, the solution was always build from sources. Are the real benefits of Gentoo too hard to explain to the unwashed masses, so instead they're told the fairy tale about imporoved performance? Being a metadistribution, the concept of higher performance isn't quite that much of a fairy tale. If you can easily configure your system to a specific purpose, that would ideally lead to better performance, whether it be due to the specialization of the system or at least a placebo effect on the user. Gentoo is honestly my first linux system, so I don't really have the experience of library conflicts of binary distros. People in general will usually just want confirmation that something has benefits over what they currently have, irregardless of evidence of exactly why it is better, so that may be part of why so many supporters parrot the same view regarding Gentoo. On the other hand, I just take a lot of it as peace of mind in that all the responsibility for how my system is running is directly mine, as opposed to being able to blame someone who made a bad RPM. I like knowing any little factor of my system and what it's doing. I'll also add this info. I switched from Mandrake to Gentoo a long time ago. Mandrake was slow and took a good while to login and open larger apps. Gentoo on the exact same machine runs way faster. Login is a LOT faster, especially the second time around since it is cached, and apps start a lot faster too. You do have to have a set of sane FLAGS for this to work but it can be faster depending on how much time you spend looking up the correct settings. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:32:15 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: When this was asked a few weeks ago someone then asked why --with-bdeps Y isn't the default? This seems to burn nearly everyone once in awhile. Because using --with-bdeps y causes unnecessary compilation of packages that don't need t0 be changed. They won't be used again until the dependent package is updated, so why waste time rebuilding them in the interim? No one really gets burned by this, they just wonder why installed packages aren't upgraded, nothing stops working. -- Neil Bothwick I'm warning you! One step closer and I'll drop carrier! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
Grant Edwards wrote: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instruction set. Where did that bit of apocrypha come from, and why is it parroted by so many people? IIRC as late as 2001 almost all distros were primarily built for i386 there were definite improvements to be had by moving to i686. For things that do complicated math like Mysql, openssl, etc there were noticeable improvements. Apache likely doesn't benefit at all from anything beyond i686, but things like video encoding/decoding do have code that can take advantage of mmx, sse, etc. Additionally when NTPL hit glibc-2.3 Gentoo was one of the first distros that let you move to a NTPL glibc which practically doubled Mysql performance in our environment. Not instruction based, but most other distros required waiting an additional six months for a release to get this. kashani
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Different servers behind the same router
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:36:55 +0200 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: Since your ISP offers you the option to have two different IP, yes that the best choice. Over here I would have to pay quite some money to get an extra IP. So you're lucky I guess. There is plenty of address space on IPv6. One can set up a tunnel, if ISP doesn't provide it yet. After that, it's as simple as enabling forwarding in kernel and opening a FORWARD chain, and you can have 64+ bits of real addresses behind it, no translation or port forwarding. And teredo (in form of miredo daemon) offers ability to access IPv6 from anywhere (like public hotspots) w/o setting up any tunneling. Of course, it's not much use for public server, but certainly useful for ssh (among over things) to networks behind nat. -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Different servers behind the same router
Mike Kazantsev wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:36:55 +0200 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: Since your ISP offers you the option to have two different IP, yes that the best choice. Over here I would have to pay quite some money to get an extra IP. So you're lucky I guess. There is plenty of address space on IPv6. One can set up a tunnel, if ISP doesn't provide it yet. After that, it's as simple as enabling forwarding in kernel and opening a FORWARD chain, and you can have 64+ bits of real addresses behind it, no translation or port forwarding. And teredo (in form of miredo daemon) offers ability to access IPv6 from anywhere (like public hotspots) w/o setting up any tunneling. Of course, it's not much use for public server, but certainly useful for ssh (among over things) to networks behind nat. I can't say I understood what you said, but the majority of ISPs give clients v4 IPs? Mine for example right now (it's dynamic) is 79.123.149.101. That's the only way to reach me from WAN.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Different servers behind the same router
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:21:17 +0200 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: There is plenty of address space on IPv6. One can set up a tunnel, if ISP doesn't provide it yet. After that, it's as simple as enabling forwarding in kernel and opening a FORWARD chain, and you can have 64+ bits of real addresses behind it, no translation or port forwarding. And teredo (in form of miredo daemon) offers ability to access IPv6 from anywhere (like public hotspots) w/o setting up any tunneling. Of course, it's not much use for public server, but certainly useful for ssh (among over things) to networks behind nat. I can't say I understood what you said, but the majority of ISPs give clients v4 IPs? Mine for example right now (it's dynamic) is 79.123.149.101. That's the only way to reach me from WAN. Not quite what I've meant, but just to illustrate a point... emerge miredo (I think it's ebuild is still in bugzilla) /etc/init.d/miredo start And there you go, now you can access this machine by IPv6 address on teredo interface. -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Different servers behind the same router
Mike Kazantsev wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:21:17 +0200 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: I can't say I understood what you said, but the majority of ISPs give clients v4 IPs? Mine for example right now (it's dynamic) is 79.123.149.101. That's the only way to reach me from WAN. Not quite what I've meant, but just to illustrate a point... emerge miredo (I think it's ebuild is still in bugzilla) /etc/init.d/miredo start And there you go, now you can access this machine by IPv6 address on teredo interface. Thanks for the info. I've looked it up on Wikipedia for the details. I guess the catch here though is that I'm unreachable by people with no IPv6 on their operating system?
[gentoo-user] Re: libtool problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Neil Bothwick wrote: Mike Kazantsev wrote: And I hate to re-emerge same gcc every time some minor bug (which I didn't happen to reproduce) is fixed. IKWYM but I think, on balance, this one would have benefited from a bump as the effects of the breakage were quite widespread. It did make a difference to the installed files, which is the usual criterion for a bump. The reason there wasn't a bump (IIRC) was that the ebuild never changed - - only the eclass did. If you emerged any version of GCC during the window where the eclass was broken, that version of GCC would have been broken. - -- ABCD -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmJCq4ACgkQOypDUo0oQOqeqwCgrFG9t4t3+ZmTKY5EcjW81Ab/ YIoAmQEQh7FXNlrIj/dCmqSGoIk+g4YG =3Eiv -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
Grant Edwards grante at visi.com writes: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instruction set. is practically nil in real-world usage. Not true. You can eliminate many non-essential portions of a compiled program, via use flag and the freedom you get to select software, as opposed to other distros. Smaller executables are usually always faster. One *BIG* difference is when the GPUs on video cards are used as co-processors on systems. ATI and Nv are working on making general purpose C languages for programs to take advantage of the power of the GPU. Look for Gentoo to beat the other distros, by the very nature of how it compiles code for everything. It's an approaching revolution, and thats is where AMD is going to slaughter Intel.. Bet on Gentoo, in this area, smoking even Microsoft! Cheers, James
[gentoo-user] Re: DVD RW (recommendations
Hung Dang hungptit at gmail.com writes: Thanks for all of the input! I got plenty of good information, to make several purchases. Googling, I did read about some problems with the latest drives from plextor, (not verified by me though). ciao, James
Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: When this was asked a few weeks ago someone then asked why --with-bdeps Y isn't the default? This seems to burn nearly everyone once in awhile. Because using --with-bdeps y causes unnecessary compilation of packages that don't need t0 be changed. They won't be used again until the dependent package is updated, so why waste time rebuilding them in the interim? No one really gets burned by this, they just wonder why installed packages aren't upgraded, nothing stops working. I added: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--with-bdeps n to make.conf and ran 'emerge --depclean' and it got rid of a bunch of stuff, but I'm still confused by boost. --depclean didn't remove it, 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't downgrade it even --with-bdeps y, but 'emerge -pv boost' would downgrade it. I also re-emerged twinkle and rb_libtorrent which are the packages that depend on boost, but the result is the same. Also man seems to be broken after that --depclean. When I try to use it, I get errors starting with: sh: /usr/bin/unlzma: No such file or directory - Grant This may help. r...@smoker / # equery belongs /usr/bin/unlzma [ Searching for file(s) /usr/bin/unlzma in *... ] app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 (/usr/bin/unlzma - lzma) r...@smoker / # I would rebuild that or see why it is not already installed. I would think that would be part of system??? I'm not sure tho. I seem to recall some switch from LZMA to BZ2 manpages in an etc-update recently ... emerging lzma-utils fixed it, thank you. I always etc-update as soon as the packages are built. Should lzma-utils be a dependency of something? - Grant Weird, --depclean wants to remove lzma-utils again even though: # equery depends lzma-utils [ Searching for packages depending on lzma-utils... ] dev-libs/mpfr-2.3.2 (app-arch/lzma-utils) media-libs/libpng-1.2.34 (app-arch/lzma-utils) media-libs/netpbm-10.44.00-r1 (app-arch/lzma-utils) net-dns/dnsmasq-2.45 (app-arch/lzma-utils) net-misc/netkit-rsh-0.17-r9 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-apps/coreutils-6.10-r2 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-apps/net-tools-1.60_p20071202044231-r1 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-devel/m4-1.4.11 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.6.27-r2 (app-arch/lzma-utils) sys-libs/gpm-1.20.5 (app-arch/lzma-utils) Maybe it's listed as a build-time dependency of coreutils when it should be runtime? - Grant coreutils is an lzma archive, so lzma-utils are required to decompress it. So it seems proper that it's a build-time dep. I think there was something about man using lzma IF you had lzma-utils installed at the time of emerging man. So maybe you can try to unmerge lzma-utils, then re-emerge man (and maybe convert your lzma manpages to bz2). Also be sure you've got PORTAGE_COMPRESS set to what you'd like in your make.conf
Re: [gentoo-user] Different servers behind the same router
On 3 Feb 2009, at 18:35, Momesso Andrea wrote: On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 05:52:13PM +, Stroller wrote: On 3 Feb 2009, at 17:43, Momesso Andrea wrote: ... What happens if I decide to switch to the router configuration? If I have a single IP for all the machines in the LAN, when someone from the outside will try to connect to homeserver.foo or to webserver.bar, will they be routed to the correct machine? ... Is it correct to say that the configuration I alredy have (pppoe and different IPs) is the best choice? I think so, yes. Stroller.
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
On 2009-02-04, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Grant Edwards grante at visi.com writes: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's described as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for exactly the right instruction set. is practically nil in real-world usage. Not true. You can eliminate many non-essential portions of a compiled program, via use flag and the freedom you get to select software, as opposed to other distros. Smaller executables are usually always faster. You're right, that's another big advantage: you can control what features get included/enabled in an application. Leaving out features you don't use makes a big difference in many applications load/startup times and library dependancies. For example, leaving out the Gnome and/or KDE support in some apps makes a pretty big difference. If you only use mutt with mbox formatted mailboxes, you can leave out imap, ssl, pop, and maildir support. But that wasn't what I was talking about, and AFAICT that's not what reviewers are talking about when they talk about adjusting compiler flags to optimize performance. They seem to be talking about building for Athlon instead of P4 (or vice-versa). Perhaps I've always completely misunderstood the articles I've read, and they were indeed talking about USE flags that control options passed to configure and not about things like gcc's -march and -O options. One *BIG* difference is when the GPUs on video cards are used as co-processors on systems. ATI and Nv are working on making general purpose C languages for programs to take advantage of the power of the GPU. Look for Gentoo to beat the other distros, by the very nature of how it compiles code for everything. That would indeed be interesting. -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.2 compile problem
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:34 PM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Today succesfully installed kde4.2 on amd64. I first removed my old KDE completely and then installed it on a clean system. Only reinstalling the old kde libs for programs that have not yet been ported to kde4.2. Not run into any problems so far. Did have to unmask (~amd64) quite a few packages to get it to install. -- Joost I should have mentioned in my original email that I run ~x86 and that I upgraded from KDE4.1. I had a few blockers which I had to emerge -C, but other than that, everything except the systemsetting and startkde package emerge fine. I tried looking at the order of the emerges, but nothing seems out of the ordinary as far as my knowledge goes. I tried rebuilding the dependacies of systemsettings, but that did not resolve the problem. What can I do about this? No one else seem to have this problem? Regards Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.2 compile problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Dirk Uys wrote: Hi Have anyone else successfully built kde4.2? Regards Dirk Hi Dirk, I was able to compile KDE 4.2 successfully with no problems, without using anything outside of Portage. What arch are you using? Did you use the new, split ebuild version of Qt4? What USE flags are you using? Are you using the 'ACCEPT_KEYWORDS' variable in your make.conf file? One suggestion that might work would be to remerge xorg-server, and all of your xf86-* drivers (only the ones you need), as well as all keyboard related packages, especially anything related to keyboard layout. Make sure that you place them in your package.keywords file first. Regards, Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJJiTyZAAoJEIAhA8M9p9DAC50P/3xKPDKcexAv8OJlbEklDK33 0dQg1Cz19lvjYsyxhO2Tn1UJG+BvFl7MFfoS9CZurcbj3azbeNdQU49E8BmLWj1A NfJ/+zRgO36fsALyEMDdgFIL4LyS2gLfVlhXtiui/OMzegytDLa/0HPGEnB7myxF Jg35qkGWE4H16rqHWV/fG3TpPTcp/1Z7lYCOYnSS7bquyRdL/Ax+wvjlrl7Gv5fv bN7+sgQjCfBROjdqU2S/o4XpZcXIY0kh0VGJrN8igHfDl9SiqCxd5k3dcqP2Zf81 pwPTtclZVkM/UXHWzaKvIonsxoO80X4vM39oOdZtT/g5g0sIgzeFu799Uhrx71Rc HUW5iyOZFa92vDg+NnUch9bMd1nKlavkfGtHth5wqRFihGrnMweT2hVpZbhfz0JQ XDsDrfiw3Y/ABQIpvokBgnEY07XLlmHIY8RImwEXYS+QSu6ohr5xf91y6Jy+YtDG DypPaYIcbLWtrZu7MkjwLaeNz03FJgU+4DBs7m53ZUd32ACi57e5npE1DfBR2rlq ymcXLiWSa4t7O9J8KBnd1AQZdojaV0IRKzwKTce2Nje+UpgabRf5LGAFODqozhww ewZaZmCnjaGcqIYPV5/qR5UBRk2tVl1+5P0wCCuXwD7KVgaEdCsK1ccBWdRo/InQ s8ngUoqJFoKoWjw3a3ZO =iX// -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 01:48:34 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: So all in all, I agree. Using Gentoo is nowadays not so much a matter of performance optimization but of better control of how to build the packages and the rolling release nature (I'm tired of major updates every 6 months in the majority of binary distros.) I also like the USE flags which let me chose how to build something and get rid of dependencies I don't need. Administrative features like dispatch-conf are also very useful. This is the main benefit of Gentoo for me. I have to use SuSE or RHEL at work for the database machines - Sybase will not support any other other distro - and the 1G+ base install from those distros drive me nuts. Contrast that with the DNS caches which run FreeBSD, the difference is about a factor of 5 if not more. I also get sick and tired of installing postfix on a database machine purely to send nagios alerts, and watching the distro helpfully want to pull in PostgreSQL, MySQL, LDAP, SASL, Courier and some fancy MTA-switcher thingy. All because the maintainer enables those features and now I gotta have them. No thanks. Rather give me USE so I say what goes on the box. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 01:48:34 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: So all in all, I agree. Using Gentoo is nowadays not so much a matter of performance optimization but of better control of how to build the snip I also get sick and tired of installing postfix on a database machine purely to send nagios alerts, and watching the distro helpfully want to pull in PostgreSQL, MySQL, LDAP, SASL, Courier and some fancy MTA-switcher thingy. All because the maintainer enables those features and now I gotta have them. No thanks. Rather give me USE so I say what goes on the box. I'd have to agree. The main advantage of Gentoo over binary distributions is that it is a great deal more configurable than any of the major binary distributions. *I* choose, through USE flags, what I want to be pulled in, compiled and merged. I have tried Debian, *BSD, Ubuntu, SuSE, RedHat, Fedora Core, and others. I have found them to be bloated and slower, compared to Gentoo (any time you have to pull in over 500 binary packages to install a single package, there is definite bloat). I will mention that the performance optimizations for Gentoo mainly lie in the kernel configuration (the binary distributions compile just about everything you can imagine into their kernels), and in fine tuning the USE flags, so you you don't pull in anything you neither want nor need, thus limiting bloat. JMHO. Regards, Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJJiUNdAAoJEIAhA8M9p9DApqoP/0HN0uJHfbjQ63yq0lwubW6k NqLrchH9/xzczxuK2Vj/cat7xtxK4BdDHq92Hur5M+zj2qd3sOIroVxQLNp/K6Qo gy8efsI5HGoWSFLhLdXJp3xuncD5EL0kERFqQ0TSa9ugRVK2b0M2dukMQ08D5lMg 0lBLa5kZKnaYy7QJhAAwRMgHjkr/tIDn2KcPMaC39xwcxWh/iDKa8kVODYsmt6gX yvTuaLJMpUWLhAYAf9tWSo7zE29wNRoBQCE0K8m1A25hf+dZ5+Iw+poM7qAPkssE eD/FDqyl21LfpILQgp8SwqXOKNnVZ8sU/fRihlsixYfA2UDNtscjk6DmNRfq8r5L UrhcU3BFCExu5Yg180Q3G8WcmCs1WgE9tEY95DTyuE7p4KH9fkIi/fUMSSnLdYmP NCO75iq+HTOFImMHdsaYP5l4QJp5ktVJzyxzEZKo3lbkiKODRovj8IQOkzltGgIS rbfhbiyTG0xAbK3IlhzR+tH4ncYyNWOTql+bbXgD35P4awolR/zWVaTSsiCwDsQg XWfoN/J+XoasjJd363PpwHCFe8G+4dM75dUQkri6lgMcRrrVeLCpNdr5ae3AXEMb CHRMZt9OlTaam6VjQGGTDahWoU8dFIy4GYLF2bMaOnU0VrPOu/ENoEjECXm4mjiq OcwGvpSdLX6Mvan0iX9l =vtJv -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[gentoo-user] hal - what's the benefit of using it
Hi, having had some problems with recent xorg version my question is what are the benefits (if any) of building packages with the 'hal' use flag (i.e. adding 'hal' to US='...' in /etc/make.conf) Many thanks for your sharing your experience, Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 09:27:31 Christopher Walters wrote: I will mention that the performance optimizations for Gentoo mainly lie in the kernel configuration (the binary distributions compile just about everything you can imagine into their kernels), and in fine tuning the USE flags, so you you don't pull in anything you neither want nor need, thus limiting bloat. Gentoo is also great if you want to run it on any out-of-the-ordinary hardware, or if you have niche needs. I personally don't view Gentoo as a distro in the traditional sense. To me, it's a build system, an app - portage or paludis - and the devs that make cool input files for that app. Building a distro from scratch for embedded devices is a painful process if you don't have an automated build system. It's not quite a trivial exercise, but portage does make it a whole lot easier. With overlays and ebuilds I write myself, I get all the benefits of compiling from source, plus all the benefits of a sane package manager, without any of the downsides of trying to combine them. I've tried to include third party rpm repos on RHEL, it was a disaster. 4 years later I still can't make head or tail of what the heck urpmi wants me to do. But an ebuild, well that's just a simple bash include file. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] hal - what's the benefit of using it
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