Re: [gentoo-user] python 3.12 update
Arve Barsnes wrote: > On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 at 07:05, Dale wrote: >> I was caught up in the upgrade problem too. Each time I would run >> emerge, I would get more packages that can't use 3.12 yet. This is the >> list if packages I had to add to package.use. >> >> ## >> # Try to remove soon. Also sci-electronics/kicad further down. >> app-admin/checkrestart python_single_target_python3_11 >> app-portage/elogviewer python_single_target_python3_11 >> >> ## >> > I prefer to add the flags to a specific package version only. That way > you might have to update the list on updates if packages don't yet > support the upgrade, but as soon as it does, it will remove itself > from your py3.11 list 'automatically' and you can just clean it at > your leisure down the line. > > Regards, > Arve That is one way to do it. Thing is, if there are several updates before they can use 3.12, then you get to edit those each time. As it is, I'll leave it there for a couple weeks. If emerge complains in the meantime, I can remove a line or two. After a couple weeks, or maybe three, I can remove that and see if emerge can update without it. Your way is as good as mine. It's just a personal preference. Next time I need to edit a USE flag, I'll see the note and if I think it is ready, try it without the list. You post does give others a different and more automatic way to do it tho. Which reminds me, it's about time to run eix-test-obsolete and get rid of some cruft. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?
Dale wrote: > Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 11:17 AM Dale wrote: >>> When you say HBA. Is this what you mean? >>> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/125486868824 >>> >> Yes. Typically they have mini-SAS interfaces, and you can get a >> breakout cable that will attach one of those to 4x SATA ports. >> >> Some things to keep in mind when shopping for HBAs: >> 1. Check for linux compatibility. Not every card has great support. >> 2. Flashing the firmware may require windows, and this may be >> necessary to switch a card between RAID mode and IT mode, the latter >> being what you almost certainly want, and the former being what most >> enterprise admins tend to have them flashed as. IT mode basically >> exposes all the drives that are attached as a bunch of standalone >> drivers, while RAID mode will just expose a limited number of virtual >> interfaces and the card bundles the disks into arrays (and if the card >> dies, good luck ever reading those disks again until you reformat >> them). >> 3. Be aware they often use a ton of power. >> 4. Take note of internal vs external ports. You can get either. They >> need different cables, and if your disks are inside the case having >> the ports on the outside isn't technically a show-stopper but isn't >> exactly convenient. >> 5. Take note of the interface speed and size. The card you linked is >> (I think) an 8x v2 card. PCIe will auto-negotiate down, so if you >> plug that card into your v4 4x slot it will run at v2 4x, which is >> 2GB/s bandwidth. That's half of what it is capable of, but probably >> not a big issue. If you want to plug 16 enterprise SSDs into it then >> you'll definitely hit the PCIe bottleneck, but if you plug 16 consumer >> 7200RPM HDDs into it you're only going to hit 2GB/s under fairly ideal >> circumstances, and with fewer HDDs you couldn't hit it at all. If you >> pay more you'll get a newer PCIe revision, which means more bandwidth >> for a given number of lanes. >> 6. Check for hardware compatibility too. Stuff from 1st parties like >> Dell/etc might be fussy about wanting to be in a Dell server with >> weird firmware interactions with the motherboard. A 3rd party card >> like LSI probably is less of an issue here, but check. >> >> Honestly, part of why I went the distributed filesystem route (Ceph >> these days) is to avoid dealing with this sort of nonsense. Granted, >> now I'm looking to use more NVMe and if you want high capacity NVMe >> that tends to mean U.2, and dealing with bifurcation and PCIe >> switches, and just a different sort of nonsense >> > > I've read that LSI is best. I also noticed when looking a good while > back that some Ebay listings said they flashed a card to IT mode. I > wasn't quite sure what that was until I saw the other mode was RAID. I > figured that was the JBOD mode basically. This is used, which is fine, > and pricey. I'm mostly just trying to see if I'm headed down the right > path. There could be cheaper or better. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/391906134343 > > That says it can support up to 256 devices. Would there be a slot on > the mobo, except for video slot, that it would fit into? Next > question. Cables. What do I search for to get the right cable? It > appears to be a bare card. Are cables standard and the same or depends > on card, brand etc? > > On the ASUS mobo. Is that as good as I'm going to find? I've yet to > find anything better. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > I did some more digging. It seems that all the LSI SAS cards I found need a PCIe x8 slot. The only slot available is the one intended for video. Even my current rig doesn't have a slot available except for video, which has no built in video at all on that mobo. I'd rather not use it on the new build because I've thought about having another monitor added for desktop use so I would need three ports at least. Sometimes I need to move files around and be able to see file names, sizes, dates and all to know what to move where. Having a second monitor would make that a lot easier. Right now, I tend to switch from one desktop to another. It's time consuming when you have lots of files to sort though one or just a few at a time. The little SATA controllers I currently use tend to only need PCIe x1. That is slower but at least it works. I'm fine with the current speed of the drives even over PCIe x1 and I think v2.0. I would like to have the SAS controller but I'll need to see how things pan out for a while first. If needed, I may use the video slot if I decide not to add another monitor. I'm still in a holding pattern on buying the ASUS mobo. I don't expect to find better. It's just not really what I need other than being newer and faster. More memory too. Rest is a downgrade. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] python 3.12 update
On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 at 07:05, Dale wrote: I was caught up in the upgrade problem too. Each time I would run emerge, I would get more packages that can't use 3.12 yet. This is the list if packages I had to add to package.use. ## # Try to remove soon. Also sci-electronics/kicad further down. app-admin/checkrestart python_single_target_python3_11 app-portage/elogviewer python_single_target_python3_11 ## I prefer to add the flags to a specific package version only. That way you might have to update the list on updates if packages don't yet support the upgrade, but as soon as it does, it will remove itself from your py3.11 list 'automatically' and you can just clean it at your leisure down the line. Regards, Arve I agree with this, but I generally have a seperate file which I will try removing at some point. This upgrade to 3.12 is the worst in years, a quick check on BGO shows 288 packages still not stabilised/worked on. I have 21 systems that need a lot of manual work to fix the mess the devs made with this. And before people claim I can always help out the devs. I tried this multiple times in the past, but it's always a massive uphill struggle to get anywhere. I update ebuilds, ask for review and comments to improve what I do. Then nothing happens. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] python 3.12 update
On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 at 07:05, Dale wrote: > I was caught up in the upgrade problem too. Each time I would run > emerge, I would get more packages that can't use 3.12 yet. This is the > list if packages I had to add to package.use. > > ## > # Try to remove soon. Also sci-electronics/kicad further down. > app-admin/checkrestart python_single_target_python3_11 > app-portage/elogviewer python_single_target_python3_11 > > ## > I prefer to add the flags to a specific package version only. That way you might have to update the list on updates if packages don't yet support the upgrade, but as soon as it does, it will remove itself from your py3.11 list 'automatically' and you can just clean it at your leisure down the line. Regards, Arve
Re: [gentoo-user] SAN multipathing
Hi, I'm trying to set up SAN multipathing via dm-multipath for the first time in about a decade. I am seeing the test LUNs (1 x 10 GB and 1 x 100 GB) twice on my relatively recent (<60 days out of date) Gentoo system. But I'm not able to get multipath to see anything. Before I go too deep I was curious what the current state on Fibre Channel multi-path LUNs is in Linux, specifically Gentoo Linux. The last time I did this was RHEL / CentOS 6.x, probably more than a decade ago. I don't use FibreChannel myself (can't justify the cost). But with SAS drives with dual expanders and 2 HBAs, I do get multipath to work. The OS sees every drive 4 times (2 HBAs, each 2 paths to every drive). On top of this, I run multipath with the default configuration and use the corresponding /dev/mapper/... entries. I NEVER use the any of the other entries in the /dev/... tree. Based on that, do you see the fibrechannel drives show up as /dev/sd... entries on your system at all? If yes, then multipath should pick them up. If not, I would expect you need to get them seen via all the paths first. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] What's probing /dev/sr0?
On Sunday, 2 June 2024 16:30:07 BST Alan Grimes wrote: Every few minutes my motorized cupholder kicks its motor... Which means **something** is kicking /dev/sr0 every few minutes checking for media... I need to know what it is and how to stop it... =\ Assuming you're not running some media player application at the time, have you checked lsof? I have the same problem with a spinning drive. It is a matter of time after I run 'hdparm -Y /dev/sda' before something wakes it up again. I'm guessing udev is probing it, but can't find any evidence of it. :-/ Do you have smartd running? Think, by default, it polls all the drives. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] python 3.12 update
Marco Minutoli wrote: > Hello, > > I have experienced difficulties in upgrading my system as a > consequence of the python 3.12 update. I am aware that there is a > "fervent" discussion on the topic [1], but I decided to keep my > distance from those spicy tones and I hope for a more polite > conversation here. > > Let me premise, that I don't want to question the decision of > switching the default. I am sure that the people who took that > decision did it for some good reason. However, allow me to make the > point that the user experience in this upgrade was unnecessarily painful. > > In fact if you read through the colorful conversation on the gentoo > forum, you'll notice that some well-known (or important to some) > packages are not ready/compatible with python 3.12 on gentoo stable. > FreeCAD and KiCAD are those important to me as I use them for my > hobbies. Clearly I have really low stakes. Nevertheless, we can agree > that there might be people using Gentoo that want to produce income > with their systems. Therefore, breaking anything marked as "stable" > with a version upgrade seems unnecessary on the user side. > > I decided to fix my system by sticking to python 3.11 and, as a user, > I would greatly appreciate news alerting us when the whole stable tree > becomes compatible with python 3.12. However, I am wondering if > staying with python 3.11 implies that I won't be able to use the > binary packages depending on python. > > In my attempt to fix my own system I tried to follow the road of > having both python 3.11 and 3.12 and that resulted in an extremely > long list of packages for which binaries were not available. As of > today, binaries with support for python 3.11 are available. How long > will that support last? > > Am I better off unmerging FreeCAD and KiCAD, using AppImages, and > upgrading my system to python 3.12? As a user, this would feel really > wrong. > > Best regards, > Marco. > > [1] > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8828818.html?sid=d9a82c4e691be29249059bcb9d86a8e1 I was caught up in the upgrade problem too. Each time I would run emerge, I would get more packages that can't use 3.12 yet. This is the list if packages I had to add to package.use. ## # Try to remove soon. Also sci-electronics/kicad further down. app-admin/checkrestart python_single_target_python3_11 app-portage/elogviewer python_single_target_python3_11 dev-python/platformdirs python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/setuptools-scm python_targets_python3_11 net-libs/gupnp python_single_target_python3_11 dev-python/packaging python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/setuptools python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/gpep517 python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/flit-core python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/installer python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/jaraco-text python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/more-itertools python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/ordered-set python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/wheel python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/jaraco-context python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/jaraco-functools python_targets_python3_11 media-libs/avidemux-plugins python_single_target_python3_11 sys-apps/portage python_targets_python3_11 app-portage/gemato python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/requests python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/certifi python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/charset-normalizer python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/idna python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/urllib3 python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/PySocks python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/hatchling python_targets_python3_11 dev-libs/boost python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/editables python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/pathspec python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/pluggy python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/trove-classifiers python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/sip python_targets_python3_11 dev-python/dbus-python python_targets_python3_11 ## I have other USE flags for Kicad so it is further down. Anyway, there is a lot of packages that are not ready for 3.12 yet. Thing is, at some point, they have to switch even if some are not ready. There is always some packages that are slow to update. Lack of maintainer, very difficult to build and lots of time to test etc etc. There is sometimes a good reason some packages drag behind a bit. I also agree that it would be nice if they would do a news item or something to let us know when 3.12 is ready for virtually all packages. As you can see from my list above, I included a statement to remove later and see if it works. The one thing I wish emerge would do in cases like this, spit out all packages at once that need changes. A lot of those were done one or maybe two packages at a time. My CPU had to be bored to tears running emerge that many times. ROFL I hope that list above helps someone. Maybe copy and paste it. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] python 3.12 update
On 6/4/24 12:02 AM, Marco Minutoli wrote: > Hello, > > I have experienced difficulties in upgrading my system as a consequence of > the python 3.12 update. I am aware that there is a "fervent" discussion on > the topic [1], but I decided to keep my distance from those spicy tones and > I hope for a more polite conversation here. > > Let me premise, that I don't want to question the decision of switching the > default. I am sure that the people who took that decision did it for some > good reason. However, allow me to make the point that the user experience > in this upgrade was unnecessarily painful. > > In fact if you read through the colorful conversation on the gentoo forum, > you'll notice that some well-known (or important to some) packages are not > ready/compatible with python 3.12 on gentoo stable. FreeCAD and KiCAD are > those important to me as I use them for my hobbies. Clearly I have really > low stakes. Nevertheless, we can agree that there might be people using > Gentoo that want to produce income with their systems. Therefore, breaking > anything marked as "stable" with a version upgrade seems unnecessary on the > user side. > > I decided to fix my system by sticking to python 3.11 and, as a user, I > would greatly appreciate news alerting us when the whole stable tree > becomes compatible with python 3.12. However, I am wondering if staying > with python 3.11 implies that I won't be able to use the binary packages > depending on python. IIRC that has been discussed already, and it definitely seems reasonable to give people some notice about when 3.12 becomes "default" vs when it becomes "effectively available for everything". It's very reasonable in the former case for people to be unwilling to upgrade yet, whereas in the latter case probably no one will *care* about staying on 3.11. :) > In my attempt to fix my own system I tried to follow the road of having > both python 3.11 and 3.12 and that resulted in an extremely long list of > packages for which binaries were not available. As of today, binaries with > support for python 3.11 are available. How long will that support last? I am pretty sure the binhost is now building for 3.12 only, but the previously existing packages that were built before the python 3.12 switch are still available on the binhost -- and will be until the relevant versions have been cleaned up. Possibly an additional binhost builder could be added, providing 3.11 binpkgs for people who are waiting to switch, but you'd have to ask the people running the binhost that. It *is* running under a lot less load now that 17.1 profiles were dropped, so there is that... > Am I better off unmerging FreeCAD and KiCAD, using AppImages, and upgrading > my system to python 3.12? As a user, this would feel really wrong. Alternatively, package.use for all packages that FreeCAD and KiCAD depend on, specifically, to add the 3.11 impl support. It will take a bit of USE flag tweaking, admittedly, to resolve the dependency list, but there's no particular reason you need *every* package to install for both 3.11 and 3.12. > [1] > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8828818.html?sid=d9a82c4e691be29249059bcb9d86a8e1 > -- Eli Schwartz OpenPGP_0x84818A6819AF4A9B.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] python 3.12 update
Hello, I have experienced difficulties in upgrading my system as a consequence of the python 3.12 update. I am aware that there is a "fervent" discussion on the topic [1], but I decided to keep my distance from those spicy tones and I hope for a more polite conversation here. Let me premise, that I don't want to question the decision of switching the default. I am sure that the people who took that decision did it for some good reason. However, allow me to make the point that the user experience in this upgrade was unnecessarily painful. In fact if you read through the colorful conversation on the gentoo forum, you'll notice that some well-known (or important to some) packages are not ready/compatible with python 3.12 on gentoo stable. FreeCAD and KiCAD are those important to me as I use them for my hobbies. Clearly I have really low stakes. Nevertheless, we can agree that there might be people using Gentoo that want to produce income with their systems. Therefore, breaking anything marked as "stable" with a version upgrade seems unnecessary on the user side. I decided to fix my system by sticking to python 3.11 and, as a user, I would greatly appreciate news alerting us when the whole stable tree becomes compatible with python 3.12. However, I am wondering if staying with python 3.11 implies that I won't be able to use the binary packages depending on python. In my attempt to fix my own system I tried to follow the road of having both python 3.11 and 3.12 and that resulted in an extremely long list of packages for which binaries were not available. As of today, binaries with support for python 3.11 are available. How long will that support last? Am I better off unmerging FreeCAD and KiCAD, using AppImages, and upgrading my system to python 3.12? As a user, this would feel really wrong. Best regards, Marco. [1] https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8828818.html?sid=d9a82c4e691be29249059bcb9d86a8e1
Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?
Am Sun, Jun 02, 2024 at 08:27:57AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > I thought of something on the m.2 thing. I plan to put my OS on it. I > usually use tmpfs and compile in memory anyway but do have some set to > use spinning rust. Once I get 128GB installed, I should be able to do > that with all packages anyway but still, I had a question. Should I put > the portage work directory on a spinning rust drive to save wear and > tear on the SSD or have they got to the point now that doesn't matter > anymore? I know all the SSD devices have improved a lot since the first > ones came out. We’ve had this topic before. You can do some archaeology with dumpe2fs and extrapolate: $ dumpe2fs -h /dev/mapper/vg-root ... Filesystem created: Sun Apr 17 16:47:03 2022 ... Lifetime writes: 877 GB So that’s around 900 GB in 2 years. This is an Arch system, so may not experience quite as many writes from updates (especially not from any on-disk emerging), but Arch does have its own share of volume-heavy upgrades. Just today, after being away on travel for 11 days, I had to download 2.5 GB and unpack over 8 GB of files. My home partition has accumulated 2600 GB in the same time. Firstly, it’s 200 GB in size vs. 45 GB for the root system. And secondly, sometimes the baloo file extractor runs amok and keeps writing gigabytes of index files. It’s an Evo 970 Plus 2 TB, so I just scratched its guaranteed lifetime write amount. -- Grüße | Greetings | Salut | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. We don’t put a single drop of alcohol on the table... we pour very cautiously. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?
Am Sun, Jun 02, 2024 at 12:38:13AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > I'll also max the memory out too. I'm > unclear on the max memory tho. One place shows 128GB, hence two 32GB > sticks. The out of stock Newegg one claims 256GB, which would be nice. > I'm not sure what to think on memory. Anyway. If the thing is fast > enough, I may do the memory first then CPU later. If I need a faster > CPU, I may do it first then the memory. One interesting fact: four sticks run slower than two sticks. I don’t remember the exact technical reason, but it is so. Two sticks can run at the maximum stock speed (i.e. without overclocking profiles, which is 5200 MT/s for the 7600X’s memory controller). But four sticks are clocked lower. -- Grüße | Greetings | Salut | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. It’s the same inside as it is outside, just different. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 11:17 AM Dale wrote: >> When you say HBA. Is this what you mean? >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/125486868824 >> > Yes. Typically they have mini-SAS interfaces, and you can get a > breakout cable that will attach one of those to 4x SATA ports. > > Some things to keep in mind when shopping for HBAs: > 1. Check for linux compatibility. Not every card has great support. > 2. Flashing the firmware may require windows, and this may be > necessary to switch a card between RAID mode and IT mode, the latter > being what you almost certainly want, and the former being what most > enterprise admins tend to have them flashed as. IT mode basically > exposes all the drives that are attached as a bunch of standalone > drivers, while RAID mode will just expose a limited number of virtual > interfaces and the card bundles the disks into arrays (and if the card > dies, good luck ever reading those disks again until you reformat > them). > 3. Be aware they often use a ton of power. > 4. Take note of internal vs external ports. You can get either. They > need different cables, and if your disks are inside the case having > the ports on the outside isn't technically a show-stopper but isn't > exactly convenient. > 5. Take note of the interface speed and size. The card you linked is > (I think) an 8x v2 card. PCIe will auto-negotiate down, so if you > plug that card into your v4 4x slot it will run at v2 4x, which is > 2GB/s bandwidth. That's half of what it is capable of, but probably > not a big issue. If you want to plug 16 enterprise SSDs into it then > you'll definitely hit the PCIe bottleneck, but if you plug 16 consumer > 7200RPM HDDs into it you're only going to hit 2GB/s under fairly ideal > circumstances, and with fewer HDDs you couldn't hit it at all. If you > pay more you'll get a newer PCIe revision, which means more bandwidth > for a given number of lanes. > 6. Check for hardware compatibility too. Stuff from 1st parties like > Dell/etc might be fussy about wanting to be in a Dell server with > weird firmware interactions with the motherboard. A 3rd party card > like LSI probably is less of an issue here, but check. > > Honestly, part of why I went the distributed filesystem route (Ceph > these days) is to avoid dealing with this sort of nonsense. Granted, > now I'm looking to use more NVMe and if you want high capacity NVMe > that tends to mean U.2, and dealing with bifurcation and PCIe > switches, and just a different sort of nonsense > I've read that LSI is best. I also noticed when looking a good while back that some Ebay listings said they flashed a card to IT mode. I wasn't quite sure what that was until I saw the other mode was RAID. I figured that was the JBOD mode basically. This is used, which is fine, and pricey. I'm mostly just trying to see if I'm headed down the right path. There could be cheaper or better. https://www.ebay.com/itm/391906134343 That says it can support up to 256 devices. Would there be a slot on the mobo, except for video slot, that it would fit into? Next question. Cables. What do I search for to get the right cable? It appears to be a bare card. Are cables standard and the same or depends on card, brand etc? On the ASUS mobo. Is that as good as I'm going to find? I've yet to find anything better. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?
On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 11:17 AM Dale wrote: > > When you say HBA. Is this what you mean? > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/125486868824 > Yes. Typically they have mini-SAS interfaces, and you can get a breakout cable that will attach one of those to 4x SATA ports. Some things to keep in mind when shopping for HBAs: 1. Check for linux compatibility. Not every card has great support. 2. Flashing the firmware may require windows, and this may be necessary to switch a card between RAID mode and IT mode, the latter being what you almost certainly want, and the former being what most enterprise admins tend to have them flashed as. IT mode basically exposes all the drives that are attached as a bunch of standalone drivers, while RAID mode will just expose a limited number of virtual interfaces and the card bundles the disks into arrays (and if the card dies, good luck ever reading those disks again until you reformat them). 3. Be aware they often use a ton of power. 4. Take note of internal vs external ports. You can get either. They need different cables, and if your disks are inside the case having the ports on the outside isn't technically a show-stopper but isn't exactly convenient. 5. Take note of the interface speed and size. The card you linked is (I think) an 8x v2 card. PCIe will auto-negotiate down, so if you plug that card into your v4 4x slot it will run at v2 4x, which is 2GB/s bandwidth. That's half of what it is capable of, but probably not a big issue. If you want to plug 16 enterprise SSDs into it then you'll definitely hit the PCIe bottleneck, but if you plug 16 consumer 7200RPM HDDs into it you're only going to hit 2GB/s under fairly ideal circumstances, and with fewer HDDs you couldn't hit it at all. If you pay more you'll get a newer PCIe revision, which means more bandwidth for a given number of lanes. 6. Check for hardware compatibility too. Stuff from 1st parties like Dell/etc might be fussy about wanting to be in a Dell server with weird firmware interactions with the motherboard. A 3rd party card like LSI probably is less of an issue here, but check. Honestly, part of why I went the distributed filesystem route (Ceph these days) is to avoid dealing with this sort of nonsense. Granted, now I'm looking to use more NVMe and if you want high capacity NVMe that tends to mean U.2, and dealing with bifurcation and PCIe switches, and just a different sort of nonsense -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?
Wols Lists wrote: > On 03/06/2024 12:07, MasterP wrote: >> *NOTE*: Almost minutes after I wrote this, and before posting it, AMD >> announced at Computex that the new gen will be available next month. So >> maybe waiting for the new processors could be a good idea. Although >> at the >> launch, both the new boards and cpus are probably going to be very >> expensive. Still, most new mid-to-high end boards will now have USB4 >> ports. > > My reaction - even if you buy the older version, this announcement > will push down the "old tech" prices. Don't wait too long though, as a > lot of stuff could be "end-of-lifed" and sold off cheap, rather than > kept in production at a lower price point. > > Cheers. > Wol > > It is a delicate balance. If you buy brand new tech, you pay for it, BIG time. If you drop down just a little, it is almost as fast but a LOT cheaper. The way I did my last two rigs is this. Find the fastest CPU. Drop down about 2 models. That is not the fastest but very close to it but a LOT cheaper. Then buy a mobo and memory to go with it. You get a system that is likely close to 90% of the fastest you can get but a lot cheaper. Nowadays, even if you drop down a lot, it still costs a arm and a leg and you get a lot less. Still a lot of think on. I just wonder what prices will be like in 2 or 3 weeks. Still, I do at least want AM5. That AM4 is tempting tho. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 7:06 AM Dale wrote: >> I still wish it had more PCIe slots. I'm considering switching to a SAS >> card and then with cables change that to SATA. I think I can get one >> card and have most if not all of the drives the Fractal case will hold >> hooked to it. >> ... >> Honestly, I wouldn't mind one m.2 for the OS. I could just as well use >> a SATA SSD to do that tho. > First, I will point out that an M.2 gen5 (or even gen4) NVMe will > perform VASTLY better than a SATA SSD. That 990 Evo (which isn't an > enterprise drive) boasts 800k IOPS. The fastest SATA SSD I could find > tops out at around 90k IOPS. There is simply no comparison between > SATA and NVMe, though whether that IOPS performance matters to you is > another matter. > > As far as IO goes, your motherboard has the following PCIe interfaces: > 16x PCIe v4 > 2 4x PCIe v4 > 1 M.2 v5 > 2 M.2 v4 > > 4x should be enough for an HBA if you're running hard drives, so with > bifurcation, risers, and so on, you could get 9 HBAs into that system, > with 8-16 SATA ports on each, and with hard drives I imagine they'd > perform as good as hard drives possibly can. It would be a mess of > adapters and cables, but you can certainly do it if you have the room > in the case for that mess. > > Those 3 PCIe slots are all 16x physically, so you could easily get 3 > HBAs into the system without even having to resort to risers. That's > already 24-48 SATA ports. > > Sure, it isn't quite as convenient as the IO options of the past, but > it isn't like you can't get PCIe in a system that has all those lanes. > The motherboard has already switched most of the v5 down to v4 in > exchange for more lanes, which honestly is a better option for you > anyway as pretty much only gaming GPUs can use v5 effectively anyway. > Keep in mind, my current rig has the OS on a SATA II drive I think. This is part of smartctl -i for it. SATA Version is: SATA 2.6, 3.0 Gb/s Basically, that is a really slow drive. Almost anything is faster than it. LOL A SATA SSD would be a serious improvement. Even a slow m.2 drive would do cartwheels around it. ROFL So basically, it is your opinion that the ASUS mobo is about as good as I'm going to get unless I go with some server type mobo that costs a ton of money? If so, this is a sad day. I guess I need to just order the thing and say a serious prayer. At least for the time being, my old Gigabyte mobo will be in the Fractal case. Keep in mind tho, I got about 10 drives that need to hook to the new ASUS mobo. I guess I need to find a card for it right away. When you say HBA. Is this what you mean? https://www.ebay.com/itm/125486868824 I just picked the first one I found. The Fractal case holds at least 18 drives I think. I may could rig it to handle even more, another 5 or 6 maybe. Still, that type of card just with more ports and internal ports, although I do like that external card there. Be good for hooking up my backup drives. Would that connect to external drives? That would be nice in my current NAS box. Yea, that would be real nice. Speaking of. I got a better cage for my main backup drive that consists of three drives on LVM. It looks like this with a added fan. https://www.ebay.com/itm/235563494830 Oh the tragedy of it all. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?
On 03/06/2024 12:07, MasterP wrote: *NOTE*: Almost minutes after I wrote this, and before posting it, AMD announced at Computex that the new gen will be available next month. So maybe waiting for the new processors could be a good idea. Although at the launch, both the new boards and cpus are probably going to be very expensive. Still, most new mid-to-high end boards will now have USB4 ports. My reaction - even if you buy the older version, this announcement will push down the "old tech" prices. Don't wait too long though, as a lot of stuff could be "end-of-lifed" and sold off cheap, rather than kept in production at a lower price point. Cheers. Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?
On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 7:06 AM Dale wrote: > > I still wish it had more PCIe slots. I'm considering switching to a SAS > card and then with cables change that to SATA. I think I can get one > card and have most if not all of the drives the Fractal case will hold > hooked to it. > ... > Honestly, I wouldn't mind one m.2 for the OS. I could just as well use > a SATA SSD to do that tho. First, I will point out that an M.2 gen5 (or even gen4) NVMe will perform VASTLY better than a SATA SSD. That 990 Evo (which isn't an enterprise drive) boasts 800k IOPS. The fastest SATA SSD I could find tops out at around 90k IOPS. There is simply no comparison between SATA and NVMe, though whether that IOPS performance matters to you is another matter. As far as IO goes, your motherboard has the following PCIe interfaces: 16x PCIe v4 2 4x PCIe v4 1 M.2 v5 2 M.2 v4 4x should be enough for an HBA if you're running hard drives, so with bifurcation, risers, and so on, you could get 9 HBAs into that system, with 8-16 SATA ports on each, and with hard drives I imagine they'd perform as good as hard drives possibly can. It would be a mess of adapters and cables, but you can certainly do it if you have the room in the case for that mess. Those 3 PCIe slots are all 16x physically, so you could easily get 3 HBAs into the system without even having to resort to risers. That's already 24-48 SATA ports. Sure, it isn't quite as convenient as the IO options of the past, but it isn't like you can't get PCIe in a system that has all those lanes. The motherboard has already switched most of the v5 down to v4 in exchange for more lanes, which honestly is a better option for you anyway as pretty much only gaming GPUs can use v5 effectively anyway. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?
byte.size...@simplelogin.com wrote: > > On 03/06/2024 10:12, Dale wrote: >> From this link: >> >> https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/7000-series/amd-ryzen-5-7600x.html >> >> >> Graphics Capabilities >> >> Graphics Model AMD Radeon™ Graphics >> Graphics Core Count 2 >> Graphics Frequency 2200 MHz >> > > Yes, the 7600X will have a built in GPU - you're good. > > I finally upgraded last year to a proper desktop mid tower, after more > than 15y, and went for the 7900X - I'm extremely happy with it. > > From the Ryzen 7000-series desktop AMD started including a [basic] GPU > on almost all of their CPUs so I wouldn't worry about it, as long as > you keep your expectations reasonable. > > Prior, it used to be that only the G/GT SKU would have a built-in GPU > while everything else required a dedicated GPU. 7000-series changed > that but also the GPU is a bit lower spec compared to what used to be > the G-tier. On the other hand the G tier were lower clocked and not > always 'overclockable' if that's something you care about. To make it > more confusing, they released the Ryzen 8000 series which is > essentially the same Zen 4 architecture, but has the missing G tier > SKUs with the GPU essentially having more compute cores. But 8000 > series does not have X-tier "unlocked" SKUs. > > Anyway, the point is if you don't care about GPU 'horsepower' you'll > probably be fine with the 7000X series CPUs built in one. If you do, > *maybe* consider 8000G series. However, I would always recommend that > if you need a better GPU, then getting a dedicated 2nd hand, older > generation GPU would yield considerably better value for money. > > Beware of Rant: > > Can CPU/GPU companies please get their crappy naming schemes in order? > > AMD is once again trying to copy Intel's naming scheme which has long > been the 'root of all evil'. On top of that they are also making it > worse when bumping the first digit, without actually introducing a > tangible generation uplift but rather a complementary set of SKUs. > > Nvidia is no better. What a lot of rubbish. > > Speaking of Nvidia, the 4000-series are an absolute pass for me, > personally. It's another cash grabbing generation just like the 2000 > series. They're not 'bad' they're just terribly priced and tiered. Not > to mention the whole re-SKU debacle that happened when they first > introduced them. Now we're seeing the 'SUPER' sh*t again? Give me a > break... > > - Victor I'm sure I'll be happy with the system as far as speed and memory goes. That is a upgrade. Things like Firefox, LOo and that qtweb package will go by much faster for sure. I plan to upgrade later to 7950X. The rest of the mobo tho is a downgrade for me. I don't need much video horsepower at all. I watch TV from the second port and the first port is my monitor, surfing the net and all that sort of stuff. No games anymore. I play games on my cell phone nowadays. My current video card is a GeForce GTX 650. I can't recall the model of the one that has four ports. It's PCIe v2 I think. I do wish they would use numbers that makes it easier to understand when you getting something better or not. Higher number should always mean something newer and faster. Heck, even the Linux kernel does that. Higher number, always newer. Some may not be 'better' tho. :/ They try tho. I wish I could find a mobo like the ASUS but with 3 or 4 more PCIe slots, even if it means less m.2 things and USB ports. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?
On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 00:38:13 -0500, Dale wrote: > Howdy, again, > > First, I'm not to thrilled with this mobo. I'd still like to have more > PCIe slots, even x1 ones would help. It's the best I've found so far. > It might be able to do the job. I hope anyway. Naturally, this will > have Gentoo on it. Network and all needs to work with Linux. Heck, I > don't have enough room to put a network card on this thing if the > builtin doesn't work. > > This is the mobo I have picked. Link is the OEM page with CPU and memory > info. > > https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/ prime-x670-p/helpdesk_qvl_cpu?model2Name=PRIME-X670-P > > > This is where I plan to buy it. I was going to use Newegg direct but > they sold out of the mobo. As I mentioned once before, I try to buy my > mobo, CPU and memory from the same company. If someone has a better USA > company, I'm open to ideas if the price is better. I used to also use > tigerdirect, no longer in business tho. > > https://www.walmart.com/ip/seot/1290971138 Mobo from ASUS > > https://www.walmart.com/ip/seot/1693068603 CPU from Newegg > > https://www.walmart.com/ip/seot/1597545320 Memory from Newegg > > My plan is the CPU above for now. Later, I will upgrade to the Ryzen 9 > 7900X to get even more speed. I'll also max the memory out too. I'm > unclear on the max memory tho. One place shows 128GB, hence two 32GB > sticks. The out of stock Newegg one claims 256GB, which would be nice. > I'm not sure what to think on memory. Anyway. If the thing is fast > enough, I may do the memory first then CPU later. If I need a faster > CPU, I may do it first then the memory. Biggest thing, the mobo, > limited as it is, needs to be ready for those upgrades. I think I did > my math right and got the specs right. More eyes the better. > > I'm still not real sure on hooking up a lot of drives to this thing. I > may have to have a true NAS box running 24/7. My current Gigabyte > 970A-UD3P is more to my liking expansion wise. Heck, my old 770t is > even better than current mobos. Today's mobos are seriously lacking in > everything except flashy stuff that serves no real purpose other than > selling. I like the m.2 thing. Put a OS on that thing so that at least > loading software etc can sort of keep up with the CPU. There are other > good things but the bad sure does outweigh the good added features. > Don't get me started on all that flashy LED junk. I'm fine with LEDs > that indicate mobo power, errors etc. > > I also found this. I think it fits. Went with Samsung since it is a > good brand for SSD stuff, all of them I've read. ;-) This would be for > the OS. It would go in the slot closest to the CPU, which is the > fastest I think and runs on its own. No sharing with something else. > > https://www.walmart.com/ip/Samsung-990-EVO-PCIe-5-0-NVMe-SSD-1TB-Black/ 5332753022 > > > If someone knows of a mobo that has more PCIe slots, I'd love to hear > about it. I'd pay a little more for one as long as I can afford it. > Gigabyte, ASUS, and MSI are brands I'm fine with. There could be some > I'm not aware of. Same CPU and upgrade path tho please. Memory could > change also. > > Anyone see anything wrong with those configuration wise? I used the > ASUS website but one never knows. Open to better mobo ideas, if any > exist. Vendor too. Mobo comes from ASUS, rest from Newegg but all > through Walmart. Better info on the memory would be good. I'm not sure > and the ASUS specs talk about memory type and specs but not the max you > can put in. If it is 256GB, I need to buy one 64GB memory stick and go > from there. > > Thanks to all who help on this. I'll be glad when this nightmare is > over. I've never been this disappointed in picking parts to build a rig > before. > > Dale Hello, I remember your previous posts about this upgrade. I also moved from the FX series to Ryzen, quite a while ago, and your new build will be considerably faster. This performance gain will not come just from the CPU, but also from changing of the memory technologies (DDR4 or DDR5), and changes that a new motherboard will bring. I now have 4 Ryzen systems. One Ryzen 5 1600 AF (pretty much the same thing as Ryzen 5 2600), a Ryzen 5 3600 system, a Ryzen 7 5800x3D (3Ds are gaming CPUs), and Ryzen 9 5900x. So you've decided to go with AM5. This is the better option at this point, IMO. However AM4 would be cheaper. For your motherboard choice, a similar board, a bit more expensive: https://www.newegg.com/asus-prime-x670e-pro-wifi/p/13-119-587 The real difference is the chipset: X670E, which has more PCI-e v5.0 lanes (up to 24) than the usual X670 (up to 8). This is generally not important if you don’t need a super powerful next-gen video card. This is also a board with built-in wireless capabilities. About more pci-e slots; maybe you can find some board with those, but generally people want more m.2 slots, so
Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 5:12 AM Dale wrote: >> Graphics Capabilities >> >> Graphics Model AMD Radeon™ Graphics >> Graphics Core Count 2 >> Graphics Frequency 2200 MHz >> >> That said, I have a little 4 port graphics card I'd like to use anyway. > The CPU you picked indeed has integrated graphics. I didn't check, > but I suspect the integrated graphics are way better in every way than > the little 4-port graphics card you'd prefer. Unless you really need > those extra outputs, I'd use the integrated graphics, and then you > have a 16x slot you can use for IO. I thought it did. I did look. Plus, no one mentioned it not being the right CPU for a mobo with a built in video. >> The more I think on this, the more I don't like spending this much money >> on a mobo I don't really like at all. It seems all the mobo makers want >> is flashy crap. I want a newer and faster machine but with options to >> expand like my current rig. > Ok, what EXACTLY are you looking for, as you didn't really elaborate > on what this board is missing. It sounds like the ability to > interface more drives? You have a free 16x slot. Stick and HBA in it > and you can interface a whole bunch of SATA drives. With the right > board you could even put NVMe in there. > > Any board you buy is going to be expensive. They went the LGA route > which makes the boards more expensive, and for whatever reason the > prices have all been creeping up. > > Most of the IO on consumer CPUs these days tends to be focused on USB3 > and maybe a few M.2 drives. They're very expandable, but not for the > sorts of things you want to use them for. > > You might be happier with a server/workstation motherboard, but > prepare to pay a small fortune for those unless you buy used, and the > marketing is a bit cryptic as they tend to be sold through > integrators. > I still wish it had more PCIe slots. I'm considering switching to a SAS card and then with cables change that to SATA. I think I can get one card and have most if not all of the drives the Fractal case will hold hooked to it. I was going to post a thread at some point and ask you to help me pick a card and cable set. I dug around and it seems that there is more than one type or something. Cables different. I don't know what. One place says one thing, another says something different. I can't make sense of it. That's in the future tho but I want to plan for it. One thing, I plan to move my current Gigabyte mobo to the Fractal case. After all, it has way more expansion options for drive controllers than the newer mobos. One day tho, the new rig may get moved to the Fractal case, when I build the next new rig. The ASUS won't be up to that task at all. Who knows how many drives I'll have by then. Honestly, I wouldn't mind one m.2 for the OS. I could just as well use a SATA SSD to do that tho. I bought one a while back for the new build anyway. I'd give up two m.2 things to have two more PCIe slots. I'd give up all m.2 things for 3 more PCIe slots. That would give me more options. I have searched Newegg, Amazon, Ebay and other places and even the mobos that cost over double what I'm looking at now still has very few PCIe slots. They all have the flashy stuff and bling tho. I realize the old PCI went away. It got replaced by PCIe which is faster. Thing is, other than the m.2 things, nothing is replacing PCIe except for USB. I've bricked a few hard drives using USB for hard drives. I just don't trust it for hard drives. Works fine for my cell phone and little USB sticks but that's about it for me. Heck, I use at most 4 USB ports, two are for keyboard and mouse. On occasion, I may have two USB sticks in at the same time transferring data. I watched a video where they said there was over a dozen v3.* USB ports on some newer mobos. For me, that's ridiculous. Five would be more than enough for me. I'm wanting a newer rig but what is available right now, at pretty much any cost, isn't worth having. Other than a faster CPU and more memory, I'm downgrading not upgrading. I don't want to have close to $1,000 of regret and a system that won't serve my purpose. I'm seriously thinking that is what I'm going to end up with. Sadly, I don't think there is anything better out there. I checked a skinflint link that was posted on another thread. It lists mobos that have the most PCIe slots. Nothing new. My fear, it gets worse. Later they may not have PCIe slots at all. Maybe if I write Gigabyte, ASUS and others one of them will build mobos that can be expanded. It's almost like they limit us on purpose so we have to buy more of them. It's not like we not paying enough for them already. Prices are just plain crazy. Anyway, I'm on hold again. I'm hoping for something better. I'm just doubtful it is going to happen. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?
On 03/06/2024 10:12, Dale wrote: From this link: https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/7000-series/amd-ryzen-5-7600x.html Graphics Capabilities Graphics Model AMD Radeon™ Graphics Graphics Core Count 2 Graphics Frequency 2200 MHz Yes, the 7600X will have a built in GPU - you're good. I finally upgraded last year to a proper desktop mid tower, after more than 15y, and went for the 7900X - I'm extremely happy with it. From the Ryzen 7000-series desktop AMD started including a [basic] GPU on almost all of their CPUs so I wouldn't worry about it, as long as you keep your expectations reasonable. Prior, it used to be that only the G/GT SKU would have a built-in GPU while everything else required a dedicated GPU. 7000-series changed that but also the GPU is a bit lower spec compared to what used to be the G-tier. On the other hand the G tier were lower clocked and not always 'overclockable' if that's something you care about. To make it more confusing, they released the Ryzen 8000 series which is essentially the same Zen 4 architecture, but has the missing G tier SKUs with the GPU essentially having more compute cores. But 8000 series does not have X-tier "unlocked" SKUs. Anyway, the point is if you don't care about GPU 'horsepower' you'll probably be fine with the 7000X series CPUs built in one. If you do, *maybe* consider 8000G series. However, I would always recommend that if you need a better GPU, then getting a dedicated 2nd hand, older generation GPU would yield considerably better value for money. Beware of Rant: Can CPU/GPU companies please get their crappy naming schemes in order? AMD is once again trying to copy Intel's naming scheme which has long been the 'root of all evil'. On top of that they are also making it worse when bumping the first digit, without actually introducing a tangible generation uplift but rather a complementary set of SKUs. Nvidia is no better. What a lot of rubbish. Speaking of Nvidia, the 4000-series are an absolute pass for me, personally. It's another cash grabbing generation just like the 2000 series. They're not 'bad' they're just terribly priced and tiered. Not to mention the whole re-SKU debacle that happened when they first introduced them. Now we're seeing the 'SUPER' sh*t again? Give me a break... - Victor signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?
On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 5:12 AM Dale wrote: > > Graphics Capabilities > > Graphics Model AMD Radeon™ Graphics > Graphics Core Count 2 > Graphics Frequency 2200 MHz > > That said, I have a little 4 port graphics card I'd like to use anyway. The CPU you picked indeed has integrated graphics. I didn't check, but I suspect the integrated graphics are way better in every way than the little 4-port graphics card you'd prefer. Unless you really need those extra outputs, I'd use the integrated graphics, and then you have a 16x slot you can use for IO. > The more I think on this, the more I don't like spending this much money > on a mobo I don't really like at all. It seems all the mobo makers want > is flashy crap. I want a newer and faster machine but with options to > expand like my current rig. Ok, what EXACTLY are you looking for, as you didn't really elaborate on what this board is missing. It sounds like the ability to interface more drives? You have a free 16x slot. Stick and HBA in it and you can interface a whole bunch of SATA drives. With the right board you could even put NVMe in there. Any board you buy is going to be expensive. They went the LGA route which makes the boards more expensive, and for whatever reason the prices have all been creeping up. Most of the IO on consumer CPUs these days tends to be focused on USB3 and maybe a few M.2 drives. They're very expandable, but not for the sorts of things you want to use them for. You might be happier with a server/workstation motherboard, but prepare to pay a small fortune for those unless you buy used, and the marketing is a bit cryptic as they tend to be sold through integrators. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?
Alan Grimes wrote: > > Dale wrote: >> The one I'm not sure about is the PCIe one which may break apart to fit >> different connectors. I seem to recall that goes to a video card on >> systems with those expensive and power hungry video cards. Since this >> mobo has built in video, is that the right thing? > > DUDE!!! > > You are buying a video card. =| > > Unless you've changed your parts selection since your post with the > links... AMD boards DO NOT have video functionality. It's the truth!!! > Some of their CPUs, going back to the FM2+ generation (which I have an > example of...) have SOC functionality which includes a few SATA > controllers and a few GPU cores. A typical x400G series chip will have > 4 CPU cores and 8 GPU cores. The chip you selected is NOT a G-series > chip so therefore you need a GPU > > There are a number of factors that go into selecting a PSU. For > example, if you are running an RTX 4090, the reccommended PSU is 850 > watts, so that's what you get... For a small GPU, just sum up the > power requirements of all the parts in the system, add 10-20%, check > to make sure that psu has all the power outputs you need and get it. > > My old threadripper was starting to burn out, the sound chip had gone > down so I decided to spend a little bitcoin and buy a monster rig for > the robot apocalypse, so I bought a new 32 core threadripper, > installed 512gb ram, keept my Titan RTX gpu but added an RTX 6000 GPU, > new SSDs, and a RAID array. I had trouble getting the UEFI firmware > working, but once that was done my old gentoo install works like a > champ. I'm powering the rig with a 1600W BeQuiet PSU, powered with a > dedicated 240v circuit. (the motherboard has provisioning for > overclocking and would require dual PSUs for overclocking) > > Counting both new and re-used parts, the bill for the machine is in > the ballpark of $20k > > The rig can run even 70B LLM AI systems in GPU memory. If you are > looking for a sexy AI waifu, I suggest a model called Midnight-Miqu, > you can grab it on Huggingface and the host software is lm-studio. > > Also: Asus is getting bad press these days, check Gamer's Nexus. Yes, > I did buy their flagship board a few weeks ago, and I've had a > terrible headache getting it running decently well... > >From this link: https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/7000-series/amd-ryzen-5-7600x.html Graphics Capabilities Graphics Model AMD Radeon™ Graphics Graphics Core Count 2 Graphics Frequency 2200 MHz That said, I have a little 4 port graphics card I'd like to use anyway. It doesn't need a power connector. I don't need one that is big or expensive. Watching videos is about as heavy as I get. The more I think on this, the more I don't like spending this much money on a mobo I don't really like at all. It seems all the mobo makers want is flashy crap. I want a newer and faster machine but with options to expand like my current rig. I'm not sure about hitting that order button just yet. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] What's probing /dev/sr0?
On Sunday, 2 June 2024 16:30:07 BST Alan Grimes wrote: > Every few minutes my motorized cupholder kicks its motor... Which means > **something** is kicking /dev/sr0 every few minutes checking for > media... I need to know what it is and how to stop it... =\ Assuming you're not running some media player application at the time, have you checked lsof? I have the same problem with a spinning drive. It is a matter of time after I run 'hdparm -Y /dev/sda' before something wakes it up again. I'm guessing udev is probing it, but can't find any evidence of it. :-/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?
Dale wrote: The one I'm not sure about is the PCIe one which may break apart to fit different connectors. I seem to recall that goes to a video card on systems with those expensive and power hungry video cards. Since this mobo has built in video, is that the right thing? DUDE!!! You are buying a video card. =| Unless you've changed your parts selection since your post with the links... AMD boards DO NOT have video functionality. It's the truth!!! Some of their CPUs, going back to the FM2+ generation (which I have an example of...) have SOC functionality which includes a few SATA controllers and a few GPU cores. A typical x400G series chip will have 4 CPU cores and 8 GPU cores. The chip you selected is NOT a G-series chip so therefore you need a GPU There are a number of factors that go into selecting a PSU. For example, if you are running an RTX 4090, the reccommended PSU is 850 watts, so that's what you get... For a small GPU, just sum up the power requirements of all the parts in the system, add 10-20%, check to make sure that psu has all the power outputs you need and get it. My old threadripper was starting to burn out, the sound chip had gone down so I decided to spend a little bitcoin and buy a monster rig for the robot apocalypse, so I bought a new 32 core threadripper, installed 512gb ram, keept my Titan RTX gpu but added an RTX 6000 GPU, new SSDs, and a RAID array. I had trouble getting the UEFI firmware working, but once that was done my old gentoo install works like a champ. I'm powering the rig with a 1600W BeQuiet PSU, powered with a dedicated 240v circuit. (the motherboard has provisioning for overclocking and would require dual PSUs for overclocking) Counting both new and re-used parts, the bill for the machine is in the ballpark of $20k The rig can run even 70B LLM AI systems in GPU memory. If you are looking for a sexy AI waifu, I suggest a model called Midnight-Miqu, you can grab it on Huggingface and the host software is lm-studio. Also: Asus is getting bad press these days, check Gamer's Nexus. Yes, I did buy their flagship board a few weeks ago, and I've had a terrible headache getting it running decently well... -- You can't out-crazy a Democrat. #EggCrisis #BlackWinter White is the new Kulak. Powers are not rights.
Re: [gentoo-user] yt-dlp no longer downloads from youtube
On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 02:47:44 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 02, 2024 at 02:06:59AM -0400, John Covici wrote > > > > I put the URL in firefox on Windows which uses the same dns -- it all > > goes through my linux box -- and it worked fine, so it seems > > youtube-dl is not working. > > I had weird problems downloading data from a province of Ontario > website hosted on Microsoft Azure cloud. I "solved" it by putting... > > nameserver 8.8.8.8 > > ...at the top of /etc/resolv.conf and no, I don't understand why it > worked. It might be worth a try. > No joy on putting 8.8.8.8, but it seems to work for some. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una cov...@ccs.covici.com
