Re: [gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems
On 3/1/07, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:58:56 - Nelson, David \(ED, PARD\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Vlad Dogaru [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 February 2007 04:56 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems On Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007, Vlad Dogaru wrote: Hello all, I have just switched monitors and X now starts in 640x480. I intend to make it work at 1280x1024... [snip] ...Any suggestions? I find I have to set IgnoreEDID True in my xorg.conf card options to get it to work. I am not entirely sure why - but it works. I think it ignores what the monitor says its settings are and then uses settings you specified, but I could be wrong. something like that. I don't usually set it, but I think that's mostly because the only time I have to specify settings myself is when the EDID or whatever isn't working properly. Monitors' support for this mode-gathering stuff seems to vary inversely with it's age. Many of the older ones I have refuse to help X configure them at all. PS: Can we please try to trim the emails down a little? Quoting several paragraphs of settings makes for a long email ;) Cheers ++. It's so true. I'll add this to the list of things I learned today. Apologies for the inconvenience. Does this program guarantee that the settings really do work for my monitor or are they just generic? I am not familiar with ddcxinfo-knoppix, but it probably lists modelines from up to 3 different sources. The graphics card can supply a list of available resolutions -- that's where [EMAIL PROTECTED] came from I bet. The monitor's refresh rates can also be used to extrapolate possible modelines -- I don't know how to do this, but aside from this program, there are websites that can do so for you. Finally, the VESA standard defines what would likely be called generic settings that are supported by any VESA-compliant monitor and graphics card (just about all of them you can still physically connect to new computers, nowadays). These standard values are a good place to start, as your monitor should work for them, and you should be able to find one ([EMAIL PROTECTED], maybe) that your monitor supports and that looks nice and doesn't flicker too much, and performs well on your hardware. the Modes line is meant to be a list of modeline names, so you may or may not need the @70 part depending on where the modeline came from. the X logs should list many modelines which X came up with after probing the hardware, and you probably want to use a name from the desired one of these. I am now using a VESA-compatible modeline for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (not sure about the last one). I just pasted it from ddcxinfo-knoppix, knowing the monitor would work with these settings. One more question, though. If I switch back to my older, smaller monitor and forget to change the modeline, will it get fried? I seem to see this warning quite often. Thanks for the help, Vlad Have you tried looking up online and entering the refresh rates manually? I highly recommend doing so. Best of luck, dan. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems
Hello all, I have just switched monitors and X now starts in 640x480. I intend to make it work at 1280x1024, and have changed DefaultDepth and Modes lines in xorg.conf accordingly. The console works at 1024x768 as usual, but I have compiled that into the framebuffer. Any suggestions? Thanks, Vlad -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems
On 2/28/07, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007, Vlad Dogaru wrote: Hello all, I have just switched monitors and X now starts in 640x480. I intend to make it work at 1280x1024, and have changed DefaultDepth and Modes lines in xorg.conf accordingly. The console works at 1024x768 as usual, but I have compiled that into the framebuffer. Any suggestions? how about not using modelines at all? I've tried commenting out the modeline, to no avail, and the DefaultDepth, also with no result. I've checked the logs and found nothing out of place. Attatched is my xorg.conf, should anyone find it meaningful. Vlad -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. xorg.conf Description: Binary data
Re: [gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems
On 2/28/07, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:54:29 +0100 Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007, Vlad Dogaru wrote: On 2/28/07, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007, Vlad Dogaru wrote: Hello all, I have just switched monitors and X now starts in 640x480. I intend to make it work at 1280x1024, and have changed DefaultDepth and Modes lines in xorg.conf accordingly. The console works at 1024x768 as usual, but I have compiled that into the framebuffer. Any suggestions? how about not using modelines at all? I've tried commenting out the modeline, to no avail, and the DefaultDepth, also with no result. I've checked the logs and found nothing out of place. Attatched is my xorg.conf, should anyone find it meaningful. Vlad -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list well, you set no mode at all - modelines are something different ;) Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 #DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 #Modes1280x1024 EndSubSection EndSection change that too something like: Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 #DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection EndSection And add this to your modules section: Loadddc I find myself in this situation often, and usually, looking up Horizontal Sync and Vertical Refresh frequencies for the make and model of the monitor (rarely tricky) and then setting them in xorg.conf solves the problem. For example: Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 VendorName Monitor Vendor ModelNameMonitor Model HorizSync 31.5-64.3 VertRefresh 50-90 Modeline 1024x768 85.00 1024 1032 1152 1360 768 784 787 823 EndSection In this case I also used a modeline because the HorizSync and VertRefresh settings didn't work at 1024x768 without it. I emerged ddcxinfo-knoppix and when I run it with -monitor, I get a lot of modelines, along with some HorizSync and VertRefresh values. These are what concern me: Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 # HorizSync28.0 - 78.0 # Warning: This may fry very old Monitors HorizSync28.0 - 96.0 # Warning: This may fry old Monitors VertRefresh 50.0 - 75.0 # Very conservative. May flicker. # VertRefresh 50.0 - 62.0 # Extreme conservative. Will flicker. TFT default. # Default modes distilled from # VESA and Industry Standards and Guide for Computer Display Monitor # Timing, version 1.0, revision 0.8, adopted September 17, 1998. # $XFree86: xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/etc/vesamodes,v 1.4 1999/11/18 16:52:17 tsi Exp $ # 640x350 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz ModeLine 640x35031.5 640 672 736 832350 382 385 445 +hsync -vsync snip modelines here Does this program guarantee that the settings really do work for my monitor or are they just generic? I need to know, especially considering the remarks about frying. Also, just checking to see I got it correctly: I would comment out all but one modeline and use that one, right? Again, are all modelines listed supported? (This lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a 17 monitor -- not by far a wiz with this, but... is this right??) Vlad -- How's my English? How about my
Re: [gentoo-user] First time kernel compiler experiencing some problems
On 2/12/07, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I manged to solve the problem by not compiling nvidia framebuffer support. Now even the nvidia-drivers work. Other than that, and a bit offtopic, too, today has been both very fun and incredibly educational (but a bit sore on the eyes). i love gentoo. It does give a uniques feeling of satisfaction, especially after finally compiling DMA into the kernel :) PS: I tried to send this a while back, but without success. If it did, however, get sent, then I apologise for the double post. It did get double sent. How's my English? you even appear to understand the use of commas ; ) Why thank you. -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] First time kernel compiler experiencing some problems
Hello, after a couple of failed attempts some time ago, I actually ended up with a kernel that boots. However, I am experiencing some problems which I think are at least in part due to my perhaps incomplete kernel configuration. First of all, my console is still in 80x24 mode, although I pass video=vesafb:[EMAIL PROTECTED] to the kernel. I have compiled vesafb-tng into the kernel, so specifying the vga mode is not needed, right? If I add vga=0x318, the kernel complains about an unsupported mode and makes me choose another. However, I know from my previous (genkernel-created) kernel that these paramters work for my hardware setup. Secondly, I installed nvidia-drivers, but the X server refuses to load glx. I can't check for the exact error now, but it's something about an unrecognised/unsupported format. If I set opengl to xorg-x11, X starts (but I suppose it's not by far the same thing). Could this be linked to the fact that my detected X settings are a bit strange? For instance, the monitor VendorName and ModelName are just generic strings and the subsections for the Screen section only contain ViewPort 0 0 in addition to Depth, which varies (correctly as far as I can tell) from 1 to 24. Other than that, and a bit offtopic, too, today has been both very fun and incredibly educational (but a bit sore on the eyes). But after about 13 hours, I might not make much sense. Apologies beforehand if that is the case. Vlad PS: I tried to send this a while back, but without success. If it did, however, get sent, then I apologise for the double post. -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] First time kernel compile, experiencing some problems
Hello, after a couple of failed attempts some time ago, I actually ended up with a kernel that boots. However, I am experiencing some problems which I think are at least in part due to my perhaps incomplete kernel configuration. First of all, my console is still in 80x24 mode, although I pass video=vesafb:[EMAIL PROTECTED] to the kernel. I have compiled vesafb-tng into the kernel, so specifying the vga mode is not needed, right? If I add vga=0x318, the kernel complains about an unsupported mode and makes me choose another. However, I know from my previous (genkernel-created) kernel that these paramters work for my hardware setup. Secondly, I installed nvidia-drivers, but the X server refuses to load glx. I can't check for the exact error now, but it's something about an unrecognised/unsupported format. If I set opengl to xorg-x11, X starts (but I suppose it's not by far the same thing). Could this be linked to the fact that my detected X settings are a bit strange? For instance, the monitor VendorName and ModelName are just generic strings and the subsections for the Screen section only contain ViewPort 0 0 in addition to Depth, which varies (correctly as far as I can tell) from 1 to 24. Other than that, and a bit offtopic, too, today has been both very fun and incredibly educational (but a bit sore on the eyes). But after about 13 hours, I might not make much sense. Apologies beforehand if that is the case. Vlad -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Changing the font size in X
Hello, I find that fonts are too small for my 15 monitor, causing eye strain and misunderstandings. How can I change font size globally? I apologise if this question is too basic, but Google strangely did not provide this time. Thanks, Vlad -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Changing the font size in X
On 2/8/07, Jürgen Geuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 16:08 +0200, Vlad Dogaru wrote: I find that fonts are too small for my 15 monitor, causing eye strain and misunderstandings. How can I change font size globally? I apologise if this question is too basic, but Google strangely did not provide this time. You might want to check/change your DPI settings (compare http://scanline.ca/dpi/). Hi Jürgen, I switched from 75 to 96 DPI and everything is much more comfortable on the eyes now. Thanks for the tip, Vlad -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Uninstalling KDE packages
Hello, after some suggestions from the list I finally emerged KDE to give it another try. Even with 256 MiB of RAM, it works quite acceptably, save for the startup time. However, I notice it has installed all sorts of marginally useful and ultimately resource consuming software such as KWallet. Now, I realise the risks of keeping passwords scattered all around (sometimes even unencrypted), but in my environment it's not that great a priority. I would like to know if unmerging KWallet (also the eduitainment suite and possibly even Kopette and Konqueror) is safe. How can I tell for other packages? Is emerge --unmerge enough or do other measures have to be taken? Also, in the case of a fresh install, how can I choose what KDE installs? Do I have to run emerge kde, or would kdelibs, kdebase, etc (along with their dependencies of course) suffice? Thanks in advance and sorry if I am being ambiguous (it's late) Vlad -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Uninstalling KDE packages
On 1/30/07, Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29 January 2007 22:46, Vlad Dogaru wrote: after some suggestions from the list I finally emerged KDE to give it another try. Even with 256 MiB of RAM, it works quite acceptably, save for the startup time. Two things to improve startup: Prelink your whole system. prelink -avmRf should do. It will run for quite some time but applications will start faster afterwards. You have to repeat it after each major emerge session. Make sure that Preloader=/usr/kde/3.5/bin/preloadkde is set in /usr/kde/3.5/share/config/kdm/kdmrc However, I notice it has installed all sorts of marginally useful and ultimately resource consuming software such as KWallet. You can as well simply switch it of: Control Center-Security Privacy-KDE Wallet Now, I realise the risks of keeping passwords scattered all around (sometimes even unencrypted), but in my environment it's not that great a priority. I would like to know if unmerging KWallet (also the eduitainment suite and possibly even Kopette and Konqueror) is safe. How can I tell for other packages? Is emerge --unmerge enough or do other measures have to be taken? Also, in the case of a fresh install, how can I choose what KDE installs? Do I have to run emerge kde, or would kdelibs, kdebase, etc (along with their dependencies of course) suffice? You need to emerge kdelibs and kdebase. Afterwards you can emerge single applications. Hi everyone, I did a monolithic KDE install and that is why uninstalling individual components is not easy. However, the install has served its purpose -- I only wanted to see common pitfalls in installing KDE, for when I do a complete system reinstall (possibly even changing hardware). Next time I will do a split ebuild install and carefully select what I need. Thanks for the tips, Vlad -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Symlinking /usr/portage/distfiles
Hello, My distfiles is getting quite big and I was thinking of symlinking it to another partition (just as a temporary solution until I find the time to re-partition my hard drive). I know I could just delete what I don't use, but I hope to keep them until the planned reinstall of Gentoo, so that I can use at least part of the 1.1 GiB (my bandwith is limited). Can symlinking /usr/portage/distfiles (and even /usr/tmp/portage) to directories on another ext2 partition hurt Portage? Are there any common pitfalls to this procedure? Are the rights on these directories preserved at the next mount or do I also have to edit fstab? Thanks, Vlad -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Symlinking /usr/portage/distfiles
On 1/27/07, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vlad Dogaru wrote: Hello, My distfiles is getting quite big and I was thinking of symlinking it to another partition (just as a temporary solution until I find the time to re-partition my hard drive). I know I could just delete what I don't use, but I hope to keep them until the planned reinstall of Gentoo, so that I can use at least part of the 1.1 GiB (my bandwith is limited). Can symlinking /usr/portage/distfiles (and even /usr/tmp/portage) to directories on another ext2 partition hurt Portage? Are there any common pitfalls to this procedure? Are the rights on these directories preserved at the next mount or do I also have to edit fstab? Thanks, Vlad You can change the path to distfiles in make.conf and then move it there. You do know about eclean I assume? It will remove some of the tarballs that are no longer needed and give you some space back. Hi everyone, I had no idea about these settings in make.conf or about eclean. I apologise for not having read the proverbial manual thoroughly enough. One question though: is there a reason why PORTAGE_TMPDIR does not default to /tmp? Cheers, Vlad -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Symlinking /usr/portage/distfiles
On 1/27/07, Jeffrey Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 27 January 2007 18:14, Jürgen Geuter wrote: On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 18:40 +0200, Vlad Dogaru wrote: One question though: is there a reason why PORTAGE_TMPDIR does not default to /tmp? Many people have an extra partition for /tmp that is mounted noexec to give people less opportunity to mess around with the system (for example build weird binaries for local root exploits). Apart from that it's often useful to have all ebuild-related stuff in one place I would add that since /tmp is often cleaned on boot-up, /var/tmp is considered a less temporary place than /tmp. For example, if you hose your /opt/foo directory, then assuming you have an appropriate version of /foo in /var/tmp/portage, when you re-emerge foo it will skip steps that don't need to be done again (because they have already been completed and left results in /var/tmp/portage). Thanks to everyone for all your help and for the clarification. Have a nice day, Vlad -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] GCC Failing
On 1/23/07, Pierre-Yves Rofes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, January 22, 2007 8:49 pm, Randy Barlow wrote: On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 19:33 +0200, Vlad Dogaru wrote: (presumably good -- only let memtest run for about 3 minutes) You should probably test it much longer than 3 minutes before you can be confident that the 256 MB chip doesn't have issues... Indeed, 1 hour is the bare minimum for a memtest, and ideally you should let it run for about 7-8 hours (during one night for exemple)... Well, I tested it all last night and still came up with no failures. I have tried booting into Windows (yuck) and it works reasonably well so I am guessing a problem with my Gentoo installation. I wanted to do a complete reinstall of everything (mostly due to swapping my hard drives), so I can live with the situation for the time being. Thanks to everyone who helped-- I probably would have ended up with a specialist just for this faulty memory. Cheers, Vlad -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] GCC Failing
Hello, what I initially thought was a problem with kdelibs is turning into something even more strange. Emerge failed for every package I tried to install with the message: Internal compiler error: Segmentation Fault. I have tried re-emerging gcc from two local mirrors, but got a bunch of hash failures and corrupted archives. I am now trying distfiles.gentoo.org, but this will take quite long. Any ideas as to what might have happened? Could this be connected to X running alarmingly slow? Thanks, Vlad -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] GCC Failing
On 1/22/07, Naga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 22 January 2007 12:48, Vlad Dogaru wrote: Hello, what I initially thought was a problem with kdelibs is turning into something even more strange. Emerge failed for every package I tried to install with the message: Internal compiler error: Segmentation Fault. I have tried re-emerging gcc from two local mirrors, but got a bunch of hash failures and corrupted archives. I am now trying distfiles.gentoo.org, but this will take quite long. Any ideas as to what might have happened? Could this be connected to X running alarmingly slow? Faulty memory? Got something like this once and then it was a memory module that was broken. Try and check it with memcheck86 (think I got the name right :)) I used memtest and it showed a bunch of errors on my ancient 128 MiB chip. So I removed it, but even with the (presumably good -- only let memtest run for about 3 minutes) 256 MiB I have the same problems. I don't run anything heavily graphical, so RAM rarely got up to 50% usage back with 384 MiB. Hence, I should be fine (I long gave up hoping to play games on my machine); but I have the same problems, with programs taking long to start and strange happenings caused by gcc. Any other ideas? Vlad PS: Unless I got it wrong, it's memtest86 and it proved very valuable. By the way, does it ever stop? After two hours and 13 thousand errors I got fed up and removed the chip. -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] GCC Failing
On 1/22/07, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 22 January 2007 12:25, Naga wrote: On Monday 22 January 2007 12:48, Vlad Dogaru wrote: Hello, what I initially thought was a problem with kdelibs is turning into something even more strange. Emerge failed for every package I tried to install with the message: Internal compiler error: Segmentation Fault. I have tried re-emerging gcc from two local mirrors, but got a bunch of hash failures and corrupted archives. I am now trying distfiles.gentoo.org, but this will take quite long. Any ideas as to what might have happened? Could this be connected to X running alarmingly slow? Faulty memory? Got something like this once and then it was a memory module that was broken. Try and check it with memcheck86 (think I got the name right :)) If memtest86+ doesn't show anything, then try a more arduous memory test like so: http://people.redhat.com/dledford/memtest.html Memtest worked fine (or at least I guess it did), but I'll keep your suggestion in mind if this night's memtest yields nothing. PS. Before you start spending time on memory tests I'd first try it on the console with no X gui running at all and see what gives. I already tried running no X and it still failed. I am starting to wonder if there is some other problem, too. Thanks, Vlad -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] X slowed down; is it KDE?
Hello, Since this morning, Fluxbox has been running very slowly. For instance, when I start Eterm, it takes about 3 to 5 seconds. Every single time. And conky shows X climbing up to 100% CPU usage until I get the terminal window. Could this be because of my failed attempt to compile KDE? Emerge failed at kde-base/kdelibs a few times, after which I gave up. Some 20 packages had already been installed, but I can't really see a connexion. Nor have I tried to unmerge them, hoping to continue installing KDE at a point when I have the time to figure out what is wrong. Thanks in advance, Vlad -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Suggestions for a minimalistic system
On 1/20/07, Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 January 2007 23:46, Vlad Dogaru wrote: On 1/19/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buy a couple spare RAM modules. Surely I agree with your will to build a minimalistic system, this will help anyway and it's a nice experience, but RAM is quite cheap and is the magic elisir that allows outdated machines to be still usable -the CPU is rarely a problem, unless you often do something quite computationally intensive. I have 384 megs of RAM and no imediate possibility of buying more. I realise it is arguably sufficient for many lightweight applications, but, as I mentioned, it is becoming increasingly frustrating, even with the real power of Gentoo and Fluxbox (the two have changed my life -- literally). This is odd.My main workstation also has 384MB of ram. I run a full KDE session and do not experience any slow down. Right now, I have open: 9 konqueror windows (not tabs), kmail, kmahjongg, konsole with 3 sessions, noatun, kcalc. My background is a 1024x768 photo which also takes some memory. Switching between virtual desktops is instantaneous, all apps are very responsive. My current Fluxbox session uses 26% of 384 MiB of RAM, with 6 firefox tabs, Gaim, Eterm, Conky, mpd and other mostly insignificant processes. But I still experience a serious drop in responsiveness when opening, say, 3 Slashdot tabs at once, or when starting linuxdcpp. One good thing (among others) of using a real desktop environment is that all apps share the vast majority of libraries which are loaded into memory just once. When you mix environments or use an eclectic collection of unrelated apps, they all draw in different libraries and memory usage goes up. I've tried to keep most things down to GTK and X. For instance, I haven't even installed qt. -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Suggestions for a minimalistic system
On 1/20/07, Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One good thing (among others) of using a real desktop environment is that all apps share the vast majority of libraries which are loaded into memory just once. When you mix environments or use an eclectic collection of unrelated apps, they all draw in different libraries and memory usage goes up. With this in mind, would running a (few) GTK apps on KDE make a large difference? For instance, I am quite fond of Gaim, and even if I were to try KDE, I wouldn't want to give it up (though I heard Kopette is comparably capable). -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Suggestions for a minimalistic system
Hello, I am recently growing fed up with strongly graphical applications causing my (admittedly quite old) computer to slow down to a crawl. I like the concept of Ratpoison and am thinking of switching to it, but could use a few tips for making the big change. I am especially looking for a browser to substitute Firefox (it's great, but quite a memory hog). I like links, what with its graphical capabilities, but it lacks tabs and that's a major downside in my vision. I've tried Conkeror for Firefox, but it's too Emacs-centric (vim person here) and also disables tabs (or maybe it's me -- I couldn't get them to work). Any other tips or nifty programs you could link me to would be greatly appreciated, especially Ratpoison-related; For instance, C-t is too RSI-prone for my taste and conflicts with Firefox's new tab button (I want to switch, but I realise fx could prove irreplaceable, mainly due to the large userbase). Thanks in advance, Vlad -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you.
Re: [gentoo-user] Fluxbox/Conky acting up
On 1/19/07, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Vlad,
On Thursday 18 January 2007 22:35, Vlad Dogaru wrote:
Hello everyone,
I had Conky start automatically when I log in to Fluxbox by adding the
following line to .fluxbox/startup:
exec /usr/bin/conky
It is before exec /usr/bin/fluxbox (a howto warned me about this
pitfall)
and everything works as expected. The only problem is that when I exit
my
Fluxbox session, Conky doesn't stop, but rather starts eating up my CPU
(could this be because when I log back in I start another instance of
it?).
It can't be killed with a KILL signal, but I noticed HUP will do the
trick.
Is this normal? How can I have Conky stopped at logout?
Since no answers have been offered so far, I'll have a go at suggesting
some
things to try.
I am afraid I do not have conky on my machines, so I can't readily test
this.
What you probably need is a line like:
kill -HUP conky
after your 'exec /usr/bin/conky ' entry in .fluxbox/startup.
Alternatively,
meant to be
kill -HUP `echo ${SOME_THING} | cut -d ':' -f 2`
may do the trick but only if 'SOME_THING' is an environment variable for
conky, which may or may not exist. If it doesn't exist then you need a
string which will source the conky PID from ps. I haven't such a string
available here, but I recall seeing something in Google.
Hope the above is not wildly incorrect and helps you find something that
works. Please post back either way.
Hi Mick,
I've solved the problem by taking your suggestion further. I've added
pkill -HUP conky
to my startup file, before starting Conky. That does the trick as far as I
can tell.
Thanks for the input,
Vlad
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Re: [gentoo-user] Suggestions for a minimalistic system
On 1/19/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vlad Dogaru ha scritto: Hello, I am recently growing fed up with strongly graphical applications causing my (admittedly quite old) computer to slow down to a crawl. I like the concept of Ratpoison and am thinking of switching to it, but could use a few tips for making the big change. Buy a couple spare RAM modules. Surely I agree with your will to build a minimalistic system, this will help anyway and it's a nice experience, but RAM is quite cheap and is the magic elisir that allows outdated machines to be still usable -the CPU is rarely a problem, unless you often do something quite computationally intensive. I have 384 megs of RAM and no imediate possibility of buying more. I realise it is arguably sufficient for many lightweight applications, but, as I mentioned, it is becoming increasingly frustrating, even with the real power of Gentoo and Fluxbox (the two have changed my life -- literally). I am especially looking for a browser to substitute Firefox (it's great, but quite a memory hog). I like links, what with its graphical capabilities, but it lacks tabs and that's a major downside in my vision. I've tried Conkeror for Firefox, but it's too Emacs-centric (vim person here) and also disables tabs (or maybe it's me -- I couldn't get them to work). Did you try Dillo? I don't know if it has tabs but it seems *very* lightweight. Otherwise maybe Opera? people insist in saying it's really fast and light (and has tabs:as a matter of fact, Opera invented them!), but I personally don't know. I read up on Dillo and it looks promising. I will try it. As for Opera, I used it on Windows for quite some time, but at one point I started to be annoyed by the numerous marginally useful (at least to me) features that got added. I still regard it as a great browser, comparable to Firefox, but not what I am looking for. Any other tips or nifty programs you could link me to would be greatly appreciated, especially Ratpoison-related; For instance, C-t is too RSI-prone for my taste and conflicts with Firefox's new tab button (I want to switch, but I realise fx could prove irreplaceable, mainly due to the large userbase). Try to see what purposely lightweight distros like DamnSmallLinux, VectorLinux and Puppy Linux install by default, I think you'll have a good choice of lightweight packages. However as far as concerning ratpoison, I know nothing... How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. This is going to be the best sign of 2007 :) - I really appreciate this kind of approach. Thanks. I really look forward to constructive critique. Vlad -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you.
Re: [gentoo-user] Fluxbox/Conky acting up
On 1/20/07, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 19 January 2007 21:28, Vlad Dogaru wrote:
On 1/19/07, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What you probably need is a line like:
kill -HUP conky
after your 'exec /usr/bin/conky ' entry in .fluxbox/startup.
Alternatively,
meant to be
kill -HUP `echo ${SOME_THING} | cut -d ':' -f 2`
may do the trick but only if 'SOME_THING' is an environment variable
for
conky, which may or may not exist. If it doesn't exist then you need
a
string which will source the conky PID from ps. I haven't such a
string
available here, but I recall seeing something in Google.
I've solved the problem by taking your suggestion further. I've added
pkill -HUP conky
to my startup file, before starting Conky. That does the trick as far as
I
can tell.
Try adding it after the start fluxbox line. Then it should kill it when
fluxbox exits.
Never thought of it that way, but I will give ti a try.
PS. Your English is perfect and so would be your netiquette, especially if
you
posted messages in plain text only! ;-)
That's a problem I have. Can I configure Gmail to send plain text?
Thanks,
Vlad
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Re: [gentoo-user] Fluxbox/Conky acting up
On 1/20/07, Vlad Dogaru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1/20/07, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 19 January 2007 21:28, Vlad Dogaru wrote:
On 1/19/07, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What you probably need is a line like:
kill -HUP conky
after your 'exec /usr/bin/conky ' entry in .fluxbox/startup.
Alternatively,
meant to be
kill -HUP `echo ${SOME_THING} | cut -d ':' -f 2`
may do the trick but only if 'SOME_THING' is an environment variable for
conky, which may or may not exist. If it doesn't exist then you need a
string which will source the conky PID from ps. I haven't such a string
available here, but I recall seeing something in Google.
I've solved the problem by taking your suggestion further. I've added
pkill -HUP conky
to my startup file, before starting Conky. That does the trick as far as I
can tell.
Try adding it after the start fluxbox line. Then it should kill it when
fluxbox exits.
Never thought of it that way, but I will give ti a try.
PS. Your English is perfect and so would be your netiquette, especially if
you
posted messages in plain text only! ;-)
That's a problem I have. Can I configure Gmail to send plain text?
Never mind that, I was just being idiotic thinking it was some sort of
hack. The link in the formatting bar had completely eluded me for
years.
Vlad
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[gentoo-user] Fluxbox/Conky acting up
Hello everyone, I had Conky start automatically when I log in to Fluxbox by adding the following line to .fluxbox/startup: exec /usr/bin/conky It is before exec /usr/bin/fluxbox (a howto warned me about this pitfall) and everything works as expected. The only problem is that when I exit my Fluxbox session, Conky doesn't stop, but rather starts eating up my CPU (could this be because when I log back in I start another instance of it?). It can't be killed with a KILL signal, but I noticed HUP will do the trick. Is this normal? How can I have Conky stopped at logout? Thanks, Vlad -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you.
[gentoo-user] Looking for a minimalist image viewer / organizer
Hello, Browsing getoo-wiki.com for an image viewer, I only found Gthumb, which depends on GNOME. I use Fluxbox because I have an older computer and would like to keep dependencies at a minimum. Any suggestions? I only need a viewer; organising my pictures is not a plus. No exotic formats, just jpeg, gif and the usual. Thanks in advance, Vlad
Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for a minimalist image viewer / organizer
On 1/15/07, Michal 'vorner' Vaner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 03:16:02PM +0200, Vlad Dogaru wrote: Hello, Browsing getoo-wiki.com for an image viewer, I only found Gthumb, which depends on GNOME. I use Fluxbox because I have an older computer and would like to keep dependencies at a minimum. Any suggestions? I only need a viewer; organising my pictures is not a plus. No exotic formats, just jpeg, gif and the usual. How much minimalistic? xload image? Or gqview? (the second depends on gtk, if I remember correctly) Hi Michal, Thanks for suggesting gqview; I used it briefly when I had GNOME and liked it, but forgot about it meanwhile. GTK is one of the few toolkits I can live with (actually, the only), since I have this organic need for Gaim ;) Cheers, Vlad
Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for a minimalist image viewer / organizer
On 1/15/07, Kent Fredric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/16/07, Vlad Dogaru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Browsing getoo-wiki.com for an image viewer, I only found Gthumb, which depends on GNOME. I use Fluxbox because I have an older computer and would like to keep dependencies at a minimum. Any suggestions? I only need a viewer; organising my pictures is not a plus. No exotic formats, just jpeg, gif and the usual. Thanks in advance, Vlad Tools i usually rely on are * feh : uses imlib ( brags to be the fastest ) , very lightweight in use, but an insane collection of features if you read the man pages to see the extra tricks it can perform * gliv :uses opengl and gtk , making it awesome for viewing some of those larger images using the fast and quality scaling algos of your GPU *fbi : ( media-gfx/fbida) which is great for viewing images when you cant be bothered cracking open X * anytopnm + aview : for days your feeling geeky and need to display images in a textual representation ( black and white ) * cacaview : for days you want to demostrate how much free time geeks have and nothing else feels like working cos your stuck on a windows box with PUTTY. Hi Kent, I'm definitely keeping this list for later use, thanks a lot for your input. Vlad
Re: [gentoo-user] Mathematical Formulas
On 1/11/07, Ralf Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentoo fits like a glove,even to a newbie such as myself, but I can't get AbiWord to display mathematical formulas in my documents. Is there a package Depends on which documents but you don't want any other output than that from LaTeX. This is the true math standard. You can convert to Postscript, PDF, bitmap from there and thus include it in any other doc format. Regards, ralf I was being very ambiguous the first time and I apologise. The problem is that I have some readily written texts in Windows doc format which contain mathematical formulas and I need to be able to read them.
Re: [gentoo-user] Mathematical Formulas
On 1/11/07, Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11 January 2007 14:05, Ralf Stephan wrote: I was being very ambiguous the first time and I apologise. The problem is that I have some readily written texts in Windows doc format which contain mathematical formulas and I need to be able to read them. Not knowing if it's possible to read that with OpenOffice, I would advise you to rewrite in LaTeX. It's a good way to learn the typesetting and you'll love how it looks. If you care for your text use LaTeX. Do you think all the scientists who put their preprints on arXiv.org can be wrong? People, this poor guy has some documents, most probably *not* written by himself, he needs to read. Advice to re-write his documents is completely besides the point! That is correct, I am not in the position to rewrite the whole work. I already know some LaTeX and I love it, but I haven't the time or the credibility to do a rewrite (I am a student and the system is sub-par here in Romania). Vlad, if you don't mind, please send one of your docs (a small one, not more than 100KB, I am with a modem) and I'll tell you whether they can be rendered properly in kword or OpenOffice. I'll let you know about the outcome. If you send it, please do so off-list. Uwe Uwe, thanks for the offer, I sent you the file.
[gentoo-user] Mathematical Formulas
Hello, Gentoo fits like a glove,even to a newbie such as myself, but I can't get AbiWord to display mathematical formulas in my documents. Is there a package I am missing (searches yielded nothing of interest thus far) or another piece of software I can use? Thanks, Vlad Dogaru PS: Double-posted on suggestion from gentoo-desktop.
