Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
I wrote: Here's a list of my current KDE bugs. There are many, fortunately most of them are really minor issues. [58 KDE bugs] I forgot two. kio_thumbnail does not seem to save the results, and scans folders again, causing loads of 20. And the password dialog when the screen was blanked does sometimes (under heavy load) not react. A solution is to enter Ctrl-Alt-F7, then the dialog is responsive again. Whatever. But all this does not matter any more in any way, because all will be fixed soon, as I just see KDE 4.4.5 is in portage! Emerging it right now. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 00:21:18 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 30 June 2010 01:16:44 Alex Schuster wrote: Alex, have you tried turning off the Nepomuke service? I see in one of your screenshots that you are having problems with it (segfaults). No. The screenshot was taken shortly after logging in, the log shows the Strigi crashes. So I turned off Strigi, but kept Nepomuk. Correct. Half of KDE4 stops working without nepomuk. Like akonadi - no akonadi = no useable kontact nepomukis very light on resources, strigi is the hog. At some point with KDE-4.4.4 I started getting errors from akonadi which mentioned nepomuke not having been registered with dbus or similar. I then logged into KDE and switched off Nepomuke, errors went away (although I still get the akonadi progress bar coming up when I launch kmail). I just started Kontact and looked at ps which showed that Nepomuke is running. So I assume that Kontact (and or Kmail) starts nepomuke when launched? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 07:23:06 Mick wrote: So I assume that Kontact (and or Kmail) starts nepomuke when launched Kmail-4.4.4 does start nepomuk here, which occasionally fails with some problem with mysql errors. Restarting kmail has always fixed it so far. -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On 30 June 2010 10:30, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Wednesday 30 June 2010 07:23:06 Mick wrote: So I assume that Kontact (and or Kmail) starts nepomuke when launched Kmail-4.4.4 does start nepomuk here, which occasionally fails with some problem with mysql errors. Restarting kmail has always fixed it so far. Yes it does, just looked into it a bit more. Starting Kmail as a stand alone app (instead of starting up the whole KDE desktop) launches/usr/bin/akonadi_control, which runs akonadiserver, which calls /usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder and this calls /usr/bin/nepomukserver (or something in that order). Unfortunately with KDE-4.4 akonadi takes longer to start. We're only talking half a second or so of the akonadi progress bar showing up just before Kmail launches. Relaunching Kmail thereafter incurs no delays. I'll be updating KDE on my old PIII laptop soon and would be interested to see how long it takes on that Vs KDE-4.3. -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 11:17:13 Mick wrote: Starting Kmail as a stand alone app (instead of starting up the whole KDE desktop) launches/usr/bin/akonadi_control, which runs akonadiserver, which calls /usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder and this calls /usr/bin/nepomukserver (or something in that order). Unfortunately with KDE-4.4 akonadi takes longer to start. We're only talking half a second or so of the akonadi progress bar showing up just before Kmail launches. Relaunching Kmail thereafter incurs no delays. Hmm. Interesting. Thanks for the info. -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
Neil Bothwick writes: On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:16:44 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote: I did not want to use Chromium, but I tried it, and I must admit, it's fast, and it uses much less memory than konqueror. And it even has web shortcuts, which are a must-have for me now. What I'm missing most now is mouse gestures. I don't use them myself but there are extensions to implement gestures. I don't know how well they work. Oh my. Yes, I just checkt google's extension page, and there are about a dozen gesture extensions to choose from. While it's nice to have freedom of choice, I hate to try them all out and find the one which suits my needs best. Maybe I'll just try the top ranked one. Same goes for Firefox. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
Mateusz Mierzwiński writes: I have KDE4. It work's perfect. Whooo, now at least this sounds good! Try set Custom-cxxflags to off, maybe this will help. From my opinion KDE and QT 4 don't like customized C/CXX Flags, such as fomit-frame-pointer and similar. I have: CFLAGS=-march=k8-sse3 -mfpmath=sse -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer AFAIK -fomit-frame-pointer should be perfectly safe, at the only cost of making debugging harder. I already thought about removing it anyway, so my bug reports will make more sense. BTW, does anyone know _how_ _much_ this flag is suposed to seed things up, is it even noticeable? And then I just loked at the Safe CFLAGS page [*], and it says: The flag -fomit-frame-pointer is enabled at -O1, -O2, -O3 and -Os on arches where it doesn't interfere with debugging, such as AMD64, but not x86. So if you're on x86 you should add it to your CFLAGS. About -mfpmath=sse: I think I enabled it after a discussion about what - march=native would do. Now the gcc documentation [2] says: For the i386 compiler, you need to use -march=cpu-type, -msse or -msse2 switches to enable SSE extensions and make this option effective. For the x86-64 compiler, these extensions are enabled by default. So I will turn off both -mfpmath=sse and -fomit-frame-pointer, but it would change nothing. Try to set correct USE flags They should be okay I think... and first of all - add DBUS to default runlevel if Your Welcome screen don't work - it works for me. I once had this problem, but now DBUS is in the default runlevel. You should also have Hald for X.org configuration. Do you mean I should configure X via the /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ that will be obsolete soon? I have the hal USE flag set, but X is configured by xorg.conf only. BTW. I don't use any desktop mail client - I've chosen GroupOffice for web client with IMAP support and great tool for my work - safer because of laptop disk crashes or similar - data is stored external and it's delivered by OpenVPN with certificate nad data encryption. Uh, I just hate web clients. That's what I have a desktop environment for, with consistent looking applications, shortcuts, dragdrop and what else. I am using kmail with IMAP over SSL. Chromium as major web browser, I tried chromium once, about half a year ago, but it crashed instantly. Emerging it again. But I like Konqueror very much. It has problems with some web sites, for those I use Firefox. I am missing some of Firefox' plugins, and it works much better with the new flash, but over all I like Konqueror's behaviour better. Maybe I could change Firefox behaviour in the advanced settings, I did not look into this yet. And from time to time Friefox also gives me trouble, and I have to remove my profile directory to make it start again. Chromium is built, and seems to work. Oh, it's fast. And uses few memory. And even has web shortcuts, that's great. And flash just works, while konquerro has major problems with it. Subversion integrated with KDE, Wicd as network configuration daemon. Also Kadu as IM, wine + winamp, OpenOffice. Not installed Compiz for now, but I have it on my plans. Here: CVS via command line, static network configuration, kopete, Amarok (which I find beautiful), occasionally OpenOffice. Login screen works great, loading is realy fast. Only one problem with Bluetooth but i think it's device fault - device USB connector broken. Everyday working with dual-head 2 monitors - KDE 4 detects when I connect another monitor, soundcard and Xine integration into phonon works with no glitches. Other tools like SSH/SFTP integrated into konqueror works great - konqueror itself also perfect! Ah, so you DO like konqueror! Great. It's good, it's fast, it's intuitive, it's better desktop software, it's XXI century desktop environment, not such as Gnome and funny icons trashroom on desktop. I mostly agree. If only there weren't all those little bugs. It still looks quite unfinished to me. Ican somehow live with these bugs, but I am not sure if I should recommend KDE4 for others. At my institute we are also using KDE4 now, which makes some things convenient. But it is bad to have nice dolphin shortcuts to FTP locations, and dolphin cannot read remote files when they contain umlauts. And you you need to have another way of getting them. For the users, it might be easier to learn this second, reliable method only, instead of also learning to use the more convenient one which sometimes does not work. Why KDE? Because i like it. Don't say that this software SUCKS, _check_Your_config_. If You have problem try to remove .kde or .kde4 folder in Your home directory and recreate profile. I just did this some days ago and re-created most things from scratch, except for kmail. That was a lot of work BTW, I spent a couple of hours doing that. Some things are fixed indeed, but most problems persist. BTW, I had made some screenshots of my desktops
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:23:48 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote: I tried chromium once, about half a year ago, but it crashed instantly. Emerging it again. But I like Konqueror very much. It has problems with some web sites, for those I use Firefox. I am missing some of Firefox' plugins, and it works much better with the new flash, but over all I like Konqueror's behaviour better. I used to be a big Konqueror fan until about six months ago. Then I tried Chromium and was blown away by its speed and the way it works on more sites. I do miss some of the integration of Konqueror and its kio-slaves and still use it for non-web duties. When the inevitable feature creep hits Chromium and it slows down, can see myself going back to Konqueror. -- Neil Bothwick If you don't pay your exorcist, you get repossessed. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
First of all - try to configure X-es by hald. If this don't work on Your arch, try revert to xorg.conf. I have Intel GMA965 card and it work's ideal. If You say about web clients, that You hate them - it's yours right. I like it, because of 396 firm contacts on my contact book connected to them files, tasks and events in calendar, notes, divided between couple groups. I like it because of linking things together and it's safer when You travel with Your laptop (server is mine so I decide when upgrade and configure app). I've integrated it remote with blackberry ;) so it's nice tool together. Chromium is very stable now. Half year ago there was a difference with exploding cards and flash. Now it works great. As You say about FTP's and Delphin - set Your default file manager to Konqueror. I don't like delphin. In me is stagnation after KDE 3.x - if it work's so why provide something different again from scratch? That's all for now what I can say. If I find more time, I read Your whole mail and post some info about things I know. Greet's At Wtorek, 29-06-2010 on 16:23 Alex Schuster wrote: Mateusz Mierzwiński writes: I have KDE4. It work's perfect. Whooo, now at least this sounds good! Try set Custom-cxxflags to off, maybe this will help. From my opinion KDE and QT 4 don't like customized C/CXX Flags, such as fomit-frame-pointer and similar. I have: CFLAGS=-march=k8-sse3 -mfpmath=sse -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer AFAIK -fomit-frame-pointer should be perfectly safe, at the only cost of making debugging harder. I already thought about removing it anyway, so my bug reports will make more sense. BTW, does anyone know _how_ _much_ this flag is suposed to seed things up, is it even noticeable? And then I just loked at the Safe CFLAGS page [*], and it says: The flag -fomit-frame-pointer is enabled at -O1, -O2, -O3 and -Os on arches where it doesn't interfere with debugging, such as AMD64, but not x86. So if you're on x86 you should add it to your CFLAGS. About -mfpmath=sse: I think I enabled it after a discussion about what - march=native would do. Now the gcc documentation [2] says: For the i386 compiler, you need to use -march=cpu-type, -msse or -msse2 switches to enable SSE extensions and make this option effective. For the x86-64 compiler, these extensions are enabled by default. So I will turn off both -mfpmath=sse and -fomit-frame-pointer, but it would change nothing. Try to set correct USE flags They should be okay I think... and first of all - add DBUS to default runlevel if Your Welcome screen don't work - it works for me. I once had this problem, but now DBUS is in the default runlevel. You should also have Hald for X.org configuration. Do you mean I should configure X via the /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ that will be obsolete soon? I have the hal USE flag set, but X is configured by xorg.conf only. BTW. I don't use any desktop mail client - I've chosen GroupOffice for web client with IMAP support and great tool for my work - safer because of laptop disk crashes or similar - data is stored external and it's delivered by OpenVPN with certificate nad data encryption. Uh, I just hate web clients. That's what I have a desktop environment for, with consistent looking applications, shortcuts, dragdrop and what else. I am using kmail with IMAP over SSL. Chromium as major web browser, I tried chromium once, about half a year ago, but it crashed instantly. Emerging it again. But I like Konqueror very much. It has problems with some web sites, for those I use Firefox. I am missing some of Firefox' plugins, and it works much better with the new flash, but over all I like Konqueror's behaviour better. Maybe I could change Firefox behaviour in the advanced settings, I did not look into this yet. And from time to time Friefox also gives me trouble, and I have to remove my profile directory to make it start again. Chromium is built, and seems to work. Oh, it's fast. And uses few memory. And even has web shortcuts, that's great. And flash just works, while konquerro has major problems with it. Subversion integrated with KDE, Wicd as network configuration daemon. Also Kadu as IM, wine + winamp, OpenOffice. Not installed Compiz for now, but I have it on my plans. Here: CVS via command line, static network configuration, kopete, Amarok (which I find beautiful), occasionally OpenOffice. Login screen works great, loading is realy fast. Only one problem with Bluetooth but i think it's device fault - device USB connector broken. Everyday working with dual-head 2 monitors - KDE 4 detects when I connect another monitor, soundcard and Xine integration into phonon works with no glitches. Other tools like SSH/SFTP integrated into konqueror works great - konqueror itself also perfect! Ah, so you DO like konqueror! Great. It's good, it's fast, it's intuitive, it's better desktop software, it's XXI century desktop environment, not such as Gnome and funny
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:30:03 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!: [snip] I have: CFLAGS=-march=k8-sse3 -mfpmath=sse -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer AFAIK -fomit-frame-pointer should be perfectly safe, at the only cost of making debugging harder. For AMD K8 processors (i.e. amd64), the -fomit-frame-pointer option is silently ignored by GCC. It has no meaning on the newer hardware platforms. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] == dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) == signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Tuesday 29 June 2010 15:38:05 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:23:48 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote: I tried chromium once, about half a year ago, but it crashed instantly. Emerging it again. But I like Konqueror very much. It has problems with some web sites, for those I use Firefox. I am missing some of Firefox' plugins, and it works much better with the new flash, but over all I like Konqueror's behaviour better. I used to be a big Konqueror fan until about six months ago. Then I tried Chromium and was blown away by its speed and the way it works on more sites. I do miss some of the integration of Konqueror and its kio-slaves and still use it for non-web duties. When the inevitable feature creep hits Chromium and it slows down, can see myself going back to Konqueror. I tried Chromium six months ago and it was not crashing, but couldn't really tell the difference in speed from Opera for most sites. In terms of performance it is Opera, FF, Konqueror here, with Konqueror not managing some Javascripts at all. Alex, have you tried turning off the Nepomuke service? I see in one of your screenshots that you are having problems with it (segfaults). -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
Mick writes: On Tuesday 29 June 2010 15:38:05 Neil Bothwick wrote: I used to be a big Konqueror fan until about six months ago. Then I tried Chromium and was blown away by its speed and the way it works on more sites. I do miss some of the integration of Konqueror and its kio-slaves and still use it for non-web duties. When the inevitable feature creep hits Chromium and it slows down, can see myself going back to Konqueror. I did not want to use Chromium, but I tried it, and I must admit, it's fast, and it uses much less memory than konqueror. And it even has web shortcuts, which are a must-have for me now. What I'm missing most now is mouse gestures. I tried Chromium six months ago and it was not crashing, but couldn't really tell the difference in speed from Opera for most sites. In terms of performance it is Opera, FF, Konqueror here, with Konqueror not managing some Javascripts at all. Opera, this might also be an idea. I never used it much, only in some cases when Konqueror had problems with web pags. Alex, have you tried turning off the Nepomuke service? I see in one of your screenshots that you are having problems with it (segfaults). No. The screenshot was taken shortly after logging in, the log shows the Strigi crashes. So I turned off Strigi, but kept Nepomuk. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 01:16:44 Alex Schuster wrote: Alex, have you tried turning off the Nepomuke service? I see in one of your screenshots that you are having problems with it (segfaults). No. The screenshot was taken shortly after logging in, the log shows the Strigi crashes. So I turned off Strigi, but kept Nepomuk. Correct. Half of KDE4 stops working without nepomuk. Like akonadi - no akonadi = no useable kontact nepomukis very light on resources, strigi is the hog. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:16:44 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote: I did not want to use Chromium, but I tried it, and I must admit, it's fast, and it uses much less memory than konqueror. And it even has web shortcuts, which are a must-have for me now. What I'm missing most now is mouse gestures. I don't use them myself but there are extensions to implement gestures. I don't know how well they work. -- Neil Bothwick Q. How many radical feminists does it take to change a light bulb? A. Two - one to change the bulb and one to write a book about the passive role of the socket. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
Kevin O'Gorman writes: As the OP, I'd like to know if anybody else has noticed how far OT this thread has gone? Somebody please give it a meaningful title, and maybe the right people will notice your thread But I think the title is just perfect! Well, not really, because, despite my constant ranting and endless KDE4 problems, for which the only sane and obvious solution would of course be to dump this whole crap, I would really really hate to do so. KDE got me addicted. I refused to use it for a long time, and had some crazy enlightenment setup which I was happy with, until it stopped working, and I gave KDE 3.something a try. I feared that the complexity would make showstopping bugs happen more often, but on the other hand it is of course nice to have an integrated system, with things like the same file dialog for most applications. And so I got hooked. There were some problems, but most of the time it worked well. But with time I experienced some bitrot. Then I got a new PC, and gave KDE4.2 a try. Many many bugs, but most of them not really bad ones, but some nice new features instead. Like, konqueror still crashing often, but with recovery function. Kmail crashed even less - well, this was not hard. And I thought these little annoying bugs would be fixed soon. But this bugfixing progress was slower than expected. Some things never really worked. And big showstoppers happened, just as I feared before I began this whole KDE adventure. For example, when KDE4's password dialog stopped working. Suddenly I had no access to the KDE wallet [*], could not read or write e-mail, or access my shares. I realized how dependent I had become of all this. Well, not totally, there are lots of other e-mail clients, and I can do most things in a plain text shell, but this meant some work, mostly because I had a hard time getting my passwords back. On the other hand, I like my KDE setup. 8 desktops, each customized to the activity I am doing there. Convenient shortcuts to the things I do, to the locations I access. Geeky stuff. Nice software, like kontact. I really really like this - if it works. When not, I think about dumping all. Why am I writing all this? I don't know. Kevin, despite me considering your thread as mine now, I will open a new one about specific problems. [*] And a similar thing just happned yesterday. I wanted to go to bed, but I had to write an important e-mail first. I started it, and after some lines whole kontact froze. I killed it, started again, and the same happened. I killed it, wrote an e-mail to myself, which worked. I started the mail I had to write again, kontact froze after a little while. I killed it, wrote the mail in knotes first, pasted it into the composing window, added a CC, pushed the send button... kontact froze. Tried again, same result. Then I used thunderbird. I looked what I had emerged this day, but nothing had to do much with kontact. I logged out and in again - and got dozends of notification windows telling me that kwalletmanager just crashed. I'm still not sure what had happened with kontact, I guess it wanted to access the wallet when sending the mail, maybe also when making an automatic backup. Whatever. I restored a backup of my .kde4 directory that I had made one day ago, still no wallet. But with the next backup, 5 days old, I could log in. I finally found out I had to exchange the .kde4/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl file, and all was back to normal. And I could finally go to bed. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
I have KDE4. It work's perfect. Try set Custom-cxxflags to off, maybe this will help. From my opinion KDE and QT 4 don't like customized C/CXX Flags, such as fomit-frame-pointer and similar. Try to set correct USE flags and first of all - add DBUS to default runlevel if Your Welcome screen don't work - it works for me. You should also have Hald for X.org configuration. BTW. I don't use any desktop mail client - I've chosen GroupOffice for web client with IMAP support and great tool for my work - safer because of laptop disk crashes or similar - data is stored external and it's delivered by OpenVPN with certificate nad data encryption. Chromium as major web browser, Subversion integrated with KDE, Wicd as network configuration daemon. Also Kadu as IM, wine + winamp, OpenOffice. Not installed Compiz for now, but I have it on my plans. Login screen works great, loading is realy fast. Only one problem with Bluetooth but i think it's device fault - device USB connector broken. Everyday working with dual-head 2 monitors - KDE 4 detects when I connect another monitor, soundcard and Xine integration into phonon works with no glitches. Other tools like SSH/SFTP integrated into konqueror works great - konqueror itself also perfect! It's good, it's fast, it's intuitive, it's better desktop software, it's XXI century desktop environment, not such as Gnome and funny icons trashroom on desktop. Why KDE? Because i like it. Don't say that this software SUCKS, _check_Your_config_. If You have problem try to remove .kde or .kde4 folder in Your home directory and recreate profile. At Wtorek, 29-06-2010 on 0:50 Alex Schuster wrote: Kevin O'Gorman writes: As the OP, I'd like to know if anybody else has noticed how far OT this thread has gone? Somebody please give it a meaningful title, and maybe the right people will notice your thread But I think the title is just perfect! Well, not really, because, despite my constant ranting and endless KDE4 problems, for which the only sane and obvious solution would of course be to dump this whole crap, I would really really hate to do so. KDE got me addicted. I refused to use it for a long time, and had some crazy enlightenment setup which I was happy with, until it stopped working, and I gave KDE 3.something a try. I feared that the complexity would make showstopping bugs happen more often, but on the other hand it is of course nice to have an integrated system, with things like the same file dialog for most applications. And so I got hooked. There were some problems, but most of the time it worked well. But with time I experienced some bitrot. Then I got a new PC, and gave KDE4.2 a try. Many many bugs, but most of them not really bad ones, but some nice new features instead. Like, konqueror still crashing often, but with recovery function. Kmail crashed even less - well, this was not hard. And I thought these little annoying bugs would be fixed soon. But this bugfixing progress was slower than expected. Some things never really worked. And big showstoppers happened, just as I feared before I began this whole KDE adventure. For example, when KDE4's password dialog stopped working. Suddenly I had no access to the KDE wallet [*], could not read or write e-mail, or access my shares. I realized how dependent I had become of all this. Well, not totally, there are lots of other e-mail clients, and I can do most things in a plain text shell, but this meant some work, mostly because I had a hard time getting my passwords back. On the other hand, I like my KDE setup. 8 desktops, each customized to the activity I am doing there. Convenient shortcuts to the things I do, to the locations I access. Geeky stuff. Nice software, like kontact. I really really like this - if it works. When not, I think about dumping all. Why am I writing all this? I don't know. Kevin, despite me considering your thread as mine now, I will open a new one about specific problems. [*] And a similar thing just happned yesterday. I wanted to go to bed, but I had to write an important e-mail first. I started it, and after some lines whole kontact froze. I killed it, started again, and the same happened. I killed it, wrote an e-mail to myself, which worked. I started the mail I had to write again, kontact froze after a little while. I killed it, wrote the mail in knotes first, pasted it into the composing window, added a CC, pushed the send button... kontact froze. Tried again, same result. Then I used thunderbird. I looked what I had emerged this day, but nothing had to do much with kontact. I logged out and in again - and got dozends of notification windows telling me that kwalletmanager just crashed. I'm still not sure what had happened with kontact, I guess it wanted to access the wallet when sending the mail, maybe also when making an automatic backup. Whatever. I restored a backup of my .kde4 directory that I had made one day ago, still no wallet. But with
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
Top posting for maximum notice: As the OP, I'd like to know if anybody else has noticed how far OT this thread has gone? Somebody please give it a meaningful title, and maybe the right people will notice your thread ++ kevin On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: Whoops, sorry for the other posting. Suddenly this mail got sent, and some empty kmail windows opened. Probably due to this effect I sometimes experience: The last keypress gets repeated all over the time, and when I move the mouse over other windows weird things may happen. Pressing keys like Ctrl-Alt-Shift stops it after a while. Mick writes: Before you read specific answers below, you may want to check: $ echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS /usr/local/share:/usr/share in your logs is shows: Environment variable XDG_DATA_DIRS is set to '/usr/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share' Why is /usr/share in there twice? Could this mess things up? Seems to be normal, I also have this with a fresh setup. On 17 June 2010 00:23, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: [snip ...] Mick wrote: On Tuesday 09 March 2010 20:12:09 Alex Schuster wrote: But: There are errors when akonadi is starting up during login. I think it did not do this when I wrote the last mail, but probably this is the problem now for the migration does not work. I attached the error parts of the log. Can you run /etc/init.d/dbus restart before you try again? Your akonadi log complains about dbus (amidst other things). This service is running - I think KDM did not even come up when I had it off once. This must be some KDE-internal dbus error. And I looked for your posting, and searched all of my gentoo-user archive, but somehow I did not find it. If you think it would help in my case, and if you still have it at hand, it would be nice if you could direct me to it (the subject would be enough). http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/224044 Thanks! Now I remember reading it. I tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the error message in English, but then I found out that I only have to restart kontact. Fine, now I want to add a contact. First, when I want to edit the location, the country is set to Afghanistan, I always have to change this to Germany. Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, except for Afghans perhaps. Have you tried to set up your locale in systemsettings to Germany? Yes, it's set like that. Have you set up your local timezone in /etc/conf.d/clock, in case this affects it? It's set correctly. I'd guess Afghanistan ist simpy the first entry in the list of countries, and no one bothered to make the user's country default. Or do you have another default? - Strigi indexes some directory over and over again and again and again and again. And again and again. Then it crashes, and when I re-activate it, it indexes the folder again and again and again. And so on. You may want to switch off strigi in systemsettings? That's what I do. But still I'd like to use those desktop indexing features. BTW, have you tried removing ~/.kde4 and then login into KDE afresh? Boy, do I hate to do this. Getting all the settings back takes so much work. But now I did it anyways. It took me several hours, and still not everying is back as it was, but at least I have I cleaner setup now. This desktop activity stuff is a mess to set up. I have 8 desktops for different things I do, each one with its own activity. That is, those KDE plasmoids appear on that desktop only, not on every one. But while you can send a window to any desktop easily, moving a plasmoid from one activity to another does not seem to be possible. When I accidentally selected Enlightenment-KDE instead of Enlightenment, KDE4 started up with Enlightenment as window manager, which messed up the location of each desktop. I had to edit stuff in .kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop- appletsrc by hand to correct this. Impressions: Some things are indeed fixed. - Konqueror now respects the setting that it should ask before closing a window with multiple tabs. - Dolphin no longer opens maximized. - Ark no longer opens the home directory with dolphin when extracting files. - And Akonadi starts without errors! Except for the last login, when again no resource agents were found. Did not happen again (yet). KDE4 Problems that still happen: - Strigi scans already indexed files, then crashes. Repeats a cuple of times, then exits. Syslog shows sefgaults in nepomukservices. - Dolphin FTP does not work with Umlauts. And I have to enter the password twice. - Konsole profiles have to be activated in the profile dialog before they show up in the menu. - Kmail did not save this e-mail, I lost my edits when my whole system just crashed. Now I wonder what _this_ was. - Sessions are often saved
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
Mick writes: Before you read specific answers below, you may want to check: $ echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS /usr/local/share:/usr/share in your logs is shows: Environment variable XDG_DATA_DIRS is set to '/usr/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share' Why is /usr/share in there twice? Could this mess things up? On 17 June 2010 00:23, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: [snip ...] Mick wrote: On Tuesday 09 March 2010 20:12:09 Alex Schuster wrote: - Kontact. The old address book I had imported fro KDE 3.5 half a year ago showed one address book and many std.vcf (or similar) files, with my data scattered on them. I moved all stuff into the address book, and did not use it for a while Now I wanted to do so, but it did not run due to an error with akonadi. Did you try to create a local resource using your systemsettings and point it to the local KDE3.5 contacts file? If you restart the address book, then akonadi will kick in a carry out the migration - if it does not succeed it will tell you so. In that case you may need to fix things manually (I've posted how in an older thread of mine, where I managed to make akonadi to succeed in its migration from a local resource file using sqlite - I don't have mysql in this box. Let me know if you can't find it.) I just tried that. I first added a dir-resource, as there are several .vcf files in my .kde3.5/share/appes/kabc directory. BTW, I had to copy that directory, as the file chooser did not show directories starting with a dot. Nothing happened when I restarted kontact. I did the same with a file- resource, when I noticed that all the .vcf files were identical. Again, nothing happened. But: There are errors when akonadi is starting up during login. I think it did not do this when I wrote the last mail, but probably this is the problem now for the migration does not work. I attached the error parts of the log. Can you run /etc/init.d/dbus restart before you try again? Your akonadi log complains about dbus (amidst other things). And I looked for your posting, and searched all of my gentoo-user archive, but somehow I did not find it. If you think it would help in my case, and if you still have it at hand, it would be nice if you could direct me to it (the subject would be enough). http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/224044 but this was about me being able to run the akonadi migration without having to install mysql. I used sqlite instead. Have a look at the file I refer to anyway, just in case something is amiss in there. I tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the error message in English, but then I found out that I only have to restart kontact. Fine, now I want to add a contact. First, when I want to edit the location, the country is set to Afghanistan, I always have to change this to Germany. Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, except for Afghans perhaps. Have you tried to set up your locale in systemsettings to Germany? Yes, it's set like that. Have you set up your local timezone in /etc/conf.d/clock, in case this affects it? - Dolphin can do FTP, but I have to repeat the login process several times until I see the destination files. I've also noticed an error when I try to connect with ftp saying that the connection failed, but then if I click on reload it connects fine. Works sometimes, and sometimes not. Also, sometimes the content is not updated when I dragged files via FTP. Other current dolphin problems: - Opens maximized horizontally every time, except at session startup. - The sorting is strange sometimes: Foo-1.srt, Foo-2.avi, Foo-1.avi, Foo-2.srt - When the KDE session comes up, all dolphins have the same view. I'd like one of them to have a different view, but when I do this, next time the session comes up all dolphins will have this view, too. There is an option to remember every folder's view, but every time I open a new folder, it opens in symbol view first, not in the current view of the upper folder. These could all be bugs with dolphin. I've had different problems with it on 3 Gentoo boxen + 1 Ubuntu. - Of course, Amarok keeps doing weird things. At least I can play music from my collection. But playing a stream sometimes crashes it. And dragging files into Amarok always leads to a crash. Yeah, I know, Amarok is not KDE. Given up on that long ago (and sadly have not found a nice replacement which won't pull in the whole of Gnome or worse) It's getting better. It's more stable, and startup time is now 30 seconds instead of 7 minutes. Have you tried clementine? It has the look of Amarok. I had a go at Clementine, but if I recall correctly it wasn't friendly with shoutcast streams. But at least one bug was fixed, I got a mail from bugzilla about this today. It's the bug that makes password
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
Whoops, sorry for the other posting. Suddenly this mail got sent, and some empty kmail windows opened. Probably due to this effect I sometimes experience: The last keypress gets repeated all over the time, and when I move the mouse over other windows weird things may happen. Pressing keys like Ctrl-Alt-Shift stops it after a while. Mick writes: Before you read specific answers below, you may want to check: $ echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS /usr/local/share:/usr/share in your logs is shows: Environment variable XDG_DATA_DIRS is set to '/usr/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share' Why is /usr/share in there twice? Could this mess things up? Seems to be normal, I also have this with a fresh setup. On 17 June 2010 00:23, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: [snip ...] Mick wrote: On Tuesday 09 March 2010 20:12:09 Alex Schuster wrote: But: There are errors when akonadi is starting up during login. I think it did not do this when I wrote the last mail, but probably this is the problem now for the migration does not work. I attached the error parts of the log. Can you run /etc/init.d/dbus restart before you try again? Your akonadi log complains about dbus (amidst other things). This service is running - I think KDM did not even come up when I had it off once. This must be some KDE-internal dbus error. And I looked for your posting, and searched all of my gentoo-user archive, but somehow I did not find it. If you think it would help in my case, and if you still have it at hand, it would be nice if you could direct me to it (the subject would be enough). http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/224044 Thanks! Now I remember reading it. I tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the error message in English, but then I found out that I only have to restart kontact. Fine, now I want to add a contact. First, when I want to edit the location, the country is set to Afghanistan, I always have to change this to Germany. Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, except for Afghans perhaps. Have you tried to set up your locale in systemsettings to Germany? Yes, it's set like that. Have you set up your local timezone in /etc/conf.d/clock, in case this affects it? It's set correctly. I'd guess Afghanistan ist simpy the first entry in the list of countries, and no one bothered to make the user's country default. Or do you have another default? - Strigi indexes some directory over and over again and again and again and again. And again and again. Then it crashes, and when I re-activate it, it indexes the folder again and again and again. And so on. You may want to switch off strigi in systemsettings? That's what I do. But still I'd like to use those desktop indexing features. BTW, have you tried removing ~/.kde4 and then login into KDE afresh? Boy, do I hate to do this. Getting all the settings back takes so much work. But now I did it anyways. It took me several hours, and still not everying is back as it was, but at least I have I cleaner setup now. This desktop activity stuff is a mess to set up. I have 8 desktops for different things I do, each one with its own activity. That is, those KDE plasmoids appear on that desktop only, not on every one. But while you can send a window to any desktop easily, moving a plasmoid from one activity to another does not seem to be possible. When I accidentally selected Enlightenment-KDE instead of Enlightenment, KDE4 started up with Enlightenment as window manager, which messed up the location of each desktop. I had to edit stuff in .kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop- appletsrc by hand to correct this. Impressions: Some things are indeed fixed. - Konqueror now respects the setting that it should ask before closing a window with multiple tabs. - Dolphin no longer opens maximized. - Ark no longer opens the home directory with dolphin when extracting files. - And Akonadi starts without errors! Except for the last login, when again no resource agents were found. Did not happen again (yet). KDE4 Problems that still happen: - Strigi scans already indexed files, then crashes. Repeats a cuple of times, then exits. Syslog shows sefgaults in nepomukservices. - Dolphin FTP does not work with Umlauts. And I have to enter the password twice. - Konsole profiles have to be activated in the profile dialog before they show up in the menu. - Kmail did not save this e-mail, I lost my edits when my whole system just crashed. Now I wonder what _this_ was. - Sessions are often saved incorrectly. Then some konquerors are missing, a dolphin is on the wrong desktop. - At session startup, konqueror always complains it dies unexpectedly and offers to restore the session, unless I close every instance before logout. - This session restore of konquereror works sometimes, and sometimes not. And all konqueror windows it opens belong to the same process,
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
Before you read specific answers below, you may want to check: $ echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS /usr/local/share:/usr/share in your logs is shows: Environment variable XDG_DATA_DIRS is set to '/usr/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share' Why is /usr/share in there twice? Could this mess things up? On 17 June 2010 00:23, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: [snip ...] Mick wrote: On Tuesday 09 March 2010 20:12:09 Alex Schuster wrote: - Kontact. The old address book I had imported fro KDE 3.5 half a year ago showed one address book and many std.vcf (or similar) files, with my data scattered on them. I moved all stuff into the address book, and did not use it for a while Now I wanted to do so, but it did not run due to an error with akonadi. Did you try to create a local resource using your systemsettings and point it to the local KDE3.5 contacts file? If you restart the address book, then akonadi will kick in a carry out the migration - if it does not succeed it will tell you so. In that case you may need to fix things manually (I've posted how in an older thread of mine, where I managed to make akonadi to succeed in its migration from a local resource file using sqlite - I don't have mysql in this box. Let me know if you can't find it.) I just tried that. I first added a dir-resource, as there are several .vcf files in my .kde3.5/share/appes/kabc directory. BTW, I had to copy that directory, as the file chooser did not show directories starting with a dot. Nothing happened when I restarted kontact. I did the same with a file- resource, when I noticed that all the .vcf files were identical. Again, nothing happened. But: There are errors when akonadi is starting up during login. I think it did not do this when I wrote the last mail, but probably this is the problem now for the migration does not work. I attached the error parts of the log. Can you run /etc/init.d/dbus restart before you try again? Your akonadi log complains about dbus (amidst other things). And I looked for your posting, and searched all of my gentoo-user archive, but somehow I did not find it. If you think it would help in my case, and if you still have it at hand, it would be nice if you could direct me to it (the subject would be enough). http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/224044 but this was about me being able to run the akonadi migration without having to install mysql. I used sqlite instead. Have a look at the file I refer to anyway, just in case something is amiss in there. I tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the error message in English, but then I found out that I only have to restart kontact. Fine, now I want to add a contact. First, when I want to edit the location, the country is set to Afghanistan, I always have to change this to Germany. Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, except for Afghans perhaps. Have you tried to set up your locale in systemsettings to Germany? Yes, it's set like that. Have you set up your local timezone in /etc/conf.d/clock, in case this affects it? - Dolphin can do FTP, but I have to repeat the login process several times until I see the destination files. I've also noticed an error when I try to connect with ftp saying that the connection failed, but then if I click on reload it connects fine. Works sometimes, and sometimes not. Also, sometimes the content is not updated when I dragged files via FTP. Other current dolphin problems: - Opens maximized horizontally every time, except at session startup. - The sorting is strange sometimes: Foo-1.srt, Foo-2.avi, Foo-1.avi, Foo-2.srt - When the KDE session comes up, all dolphins have the same view. I'd like one of them to have a different view, but when I do this, next time the session comes up all dolphins will have this view, too. There is an option to remember every folder's view, but every time I open a new folder, it opens in symbol view first, not in the current view of the upper folder. These could all be bugs with dolphin. I've had different problems with it on 3 Gentoo boxen + 1 Ubuntu. - Of course, Amarok keeps doing weird things. At least I can play music from my collection. But playing a stream sometimes crashes it. And dragging files into Amarok always leads to a crash. Yeah, I know, Amarok is not KDE. Given up on that long ago (and sadly have not found a nice replacement which won't pull in the whole of Gnome or worse) It's getting better. It's more stable, and startup time is now 30 seconds instead of 7 minutes. Have you tried clementine? It has the look of Amarok. I had a go at Clementine, but if I recall correctly it wasn't friendly with shoutcast streams. But at least one bug was fixed, I got a mail from bugzilla about this today. It's the bug that makes password dialogs not work if the password is to be displayed as three bullets. Wow, nearly two months after it had been reported, this serious bug
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
Oh my. Trying again. I already started a reply months ago, but kontact crashed, and I lost it. I started again, ranted about KDE4, tried to open systemsettings in order to check Mick's suggestions, but I misclicked and hit kontact, which is directly below in my favorite list. Of course, starting kontact under KDE4 does not open a 2nd instance of the program, or gives a warning that I am about to start another instance which I should not do, no, it just makes the running kontact crash. And again, the mail is gone. BTW, in the past that was no problem, kmail saved the drafts every two minutes (this is still configured that way in its settings), but this does not work. Even if I close if the regular way, unfinished mails are gone. So I started for the third time, this time in thunderbird on a Windows mchine. And from time to time I marked the text and put it into the clipboard. I'm doing this with every longer mail now. I saved the mail as draft, and went to my Linxu machine where I resumed the edit. I wanted to try something and went into the import menu: Crash! Good thing the Windows Clipboard still had it. Mick wrote: On Tuesday 09 March 2010 20:12:09 Alex Schuster wrote: - Kontact. The old address book I had imported fro KDE 3.5 half a year ago showed one address book and many std.vcf (or similar) files, with my data scattered on them. I moved all stuff into the address book, and did not use it for a while Now I wanted to do so, but it did not run due to an error with akonadi. Did you try to create a local resource using your systemsettings and point it to the local KDE3.5 contacts file? If you restart the address book, then akonadi will kick in a carry out the migration - if it does not succeed it will tell you so. In that case you may need to fix things manually (I've posted how in an older thread of mine, where I managed to make akonadi to succeed in its migration from a local resource file using sqlite - I don't have mysql in this box. Let me know if you can't find it.) I just tried that. I first added a dir-resource, as there are several .vcf files in my .kde3.5/share/appes/kabc directory. BTW, I had to copy that directory, as the file chooser did not show directories starting with a dot. Nothing happened when I restarted kontact. I did the same with a file- resource, when I noticed that all the .vcf files were identical. Again, nothing happened. But: There are errors when akonadi is starting up during login. I think it did not do this when I wrote the last mail, but probably this is the problem now for the migration does not work. I attached the error parts of the log. And I looked for your posting, and searched all of my gentoo-user archive, but somehow I did not find it. If you think it would help in my case, and if you still have it at hand, it would be nice if you could direct me to it (the subject would be enough). I tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the error message in English, but then I found out that I only have to restart kontact. Fine, now I want to add a contact. First, when I want to edit the location, the country is set to Afghanistan, I always have to change this to Germany. Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, except for Afghans perhaps. Have you tried to set up your locale in systemsettings to Germany? Yes, it's set like that. - Dolphin can do FTP, but I have to repeat the login process several times until I see the destination files. I've also noticed an error when I try to connect with ftp saying that the connection failed, but then if I click on reload it connects fine. Works sometimes, and sometimes not. Also, sometimes the content is not updated when I dragged files via FTP. Other current dolphin problems: - Opens maximized horizontally every time, except at session startup. - The sorting is strange sometimes: Foo-1.srt, Foo-2.avi, Foo-1.avi, Foo-2.srt - When the KDE session comes up, all dolphins have the same view. I'd like one of them to have a different view, but when I do this, next time the session comes up all dolphins will have this view, too. There is an option to remember every folder's view, but every time I open a new folder, it opens in symbol view first, not in the current view of the upper folder. - Of course, Amarok keeps doing weird things. At least I can play music from my collection. But playing a stream sometimes crashes it. And dragging files into Amarok always leads to a crash. Yeah, I know, Amarok is not KDE. Given up on that long ago (and sadly have not found a nice replacement which won't pull in the whole of Gnome or worse) It's getting better. It's more stable, and startup time is now 30 seconds instead of 7 minutes. Have you tried clementine? It has the look of Amarok. But at least one bug was fixed, I got a mail from bugzilla about this today. It's the bug that makes password dialogs not work if the password is to be
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
I wrote: Alan McKinnon writes: On Monday 01 March 2010 18:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote: [...] solve this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in this time? Fuck knows what amarok-2x does for the first 5 minutes. I *think* On my system it scans the music directory, presumably to find updates that happened when amarok was not running. Fair enough, can't argue that, but why is it so *slow*??? Yes, it scans the collection, I just verified that by removing a folder from my collection. Start-up takes 7 minutes, I guess this also slows down my KDE4 start-up even further (strigi also scans some stuff for about a minute, along this music files I did not touch in any way). So when I save my KDE session I have to remember to quit amarok before that. Of course, I also have to remember to start amarok some time after I logged in, so I can play music when I want without having to wait 7 minutes first. This does not feel right... BTW, a find /data/mp3 -type d takes about a minute. Checking the date of the directories to verify they did not alter since the last scan should not take that much longer. Ah, I see the problem. It mainly scans /data/mp3/incoming, a directory I have NOT selected as collection folder (but most other directories in /data/mp3 are selected). Still, those files do not show up in my collection, which is fine - some time ago amarok did index all in /data/mp3, even if a directory was not selected. More precisely: Amarok scans folders not selected as collection for *.m3u playlists, and looks up their files. I had reported this in [*], and got some responses, but no solution or even confirmation. But today I emerged Amarok 2.3.0.90, and startup time went from 7 minutes to around half a minute now, so this bug seems to be fixed. Wonko [*] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=229239
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On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:32:04 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: I like gqview, but it's time to give Gewnview another try. gqview is obsolete, geeqie is the modern version under active development. I hadn't realised gqview development had stopped, thanks for the pointer. I like the way geeqie doesn't try to display both the JPEG and RAW versions of the same photo. -- Neil Bothwick I spilled Spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Dale writes: Alex Schuster wrote: Dale writes: I am in KDE4. I still have KDE3 installed tho. Thing is, I'm still using the same programs I was in KDE3. Dolphin looks nice and all but I can't use it as root at all. Huh? No problem here. [...] This is what I am talking about. Dolphin will browse through directories but as soon as I click to open a text file, it gives a error. I have discussed this on the kde list and it is a known problem. One even said the code was written to prevent that but others say it is just not fixed yet. So, I still use Konqueror just like I did in KDE 3. This is also working here, a click opens the file in kwrite. So, I went back to Konqueror to edit config files and such. I don't use some of the programs that you are using so I don't have the same issues. I use smplayer to do movies or CDs. It doesn't care what DE you use. Ah, smplayer. Did not think about that. It was not important anyway - I had ripped a CD with K3b, and wondered why two tracks were swapped. BTW, what do you use for ripping? K3b is okay, but it does not remember changes like output path or file naming, I have to set this again for every CD. But smplayer does not recognise the CD either. I wonder why I do not have a /dev/cdrom device - only /dev/cdrom3, /dev/cdrw3, /dev/dvd3 and /dev/dvdrw3, all symlinking to /dev/sr0. I have used tkdvd to burn a DVD. It ain't pretty but it worked. ;-) Oh, K3b is fine for burning, never had a problem with that. It's the ripping that could be better, and the audio playing that does not work at all. Wonko
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:59:19 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Yes, Gwenview has been quite useable for some time now the KDE 4 version is a bit of an improvement generally. Useable alternatives are Thunar (icon view) Feh (thumbnail view) to browse around Feh (image view) to look at the actual pictures. I like gqview, but it's time to give Gewnview another try. -- Neil Bothwick Is there another word for synonym? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:19 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:59:19 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Yes, Gwenview has been quite useable for some time now the KDE 4 version is a bit of an improvement generally. Useable alternatives are Thunar (icon view) Feh (thumbnail view) to browse around Feh (image view) to look at the actual pictures. I like gqview, but it's time to give Gewnview another try. gqview is obsolete, geeqie is the modern version under active development.
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Philip Webb writes: I see 1 improvement 2 regressions so far; NB I don't use the desktop (that's Fluxbox), only some apps. Konsole has lost its 'fixed GNU' font, which now calls up something nasty (yes, I know there's an entry in the list, but it's a different font). I've switched to Xterm for Mutt may junk Konsole for user terminal too. I noticed this when I started KDE 4.4 for the first time. It looked quite different (and a little ugly), but somehow I got used to it. Gwenview shows a lot of silly little pictures plastered all over folders there seems to be no way of telling it not to. Do I want a picture of Conrad Black in my big 'people' collection ? -- Yes. Do I want to look at him every time I open Gwenview ? -- No !! Those four thumbnails on each folder icon? I actually like these :) Gwenview has regained F2='rename', which it lost after KDE 3 , a plus. So at least sometimes things improve :) I don't use gwenview much. When I used it a while ago, browsing through many photos, and rotating lots of them, it always crashed after a while, after it hogged very much of my memory. Just retried that, problem's gone. Hooray! Wonko
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Dale writes: Alex Schuster wrote: Dale, you brave, brave man, are you really using KDE4 now? I am in KDE4. I still have KDE3 installed tho. Thing is, I'm still using the same programs I was in KDE3. Dolphin looks nice and all but I can't use it as root at all. Huh? No problem here. OT: does anyone know about dolphin somehow accessing all files it shows? I see this on a system that uses dolphin to browse remote files via the fish protocol. Previews are not enabled, but all the files are accessed, which means it takes about one hour until the directory is shown, because all files are being retrieved from a SAM-FS server. Maybe it is reading the magic number for each file? I will try konqueror now. So, I went back to Konqueror to edit config files and such. I don't use some of the programs that you are using so I don't have the same issues. I use smplayer to do movies or CDs. It doesn't care what DE you use. Ah, smplayer. Did not think about that. It was not important anyway - I had ripped a CD with K3b, and wondered why two tracks were swapped. BTW, what do you use for ripping? K3b is okay, but it does not remember changes like output path or file naming, I have to set this again for every CD. But smplayer does not recognise the CD either. I wonder why I do not have a /dev/cdrom device - only /dev/cdrom3, /dev/cdrw3, /dev/dvd3 and /dev/dvdrw3, all symlinking to /dev/sr0. I do like the looks of KDE4. I still think they dropped KDE3 to soon. KDE4 will get there but it is still having issues many months after dropping KDE3. Bad thing is, I don't think they care about the users they left hanging in the wind. I also think KDE3 was dropped too soon. While KDE4 is usable now for most things, it still has too many bugs, and a while ago it had many many more, while development and bug fixing of KDE3 was already stopped. On the other hand, manpower is limited, and I understand the decision to focus on the new project rather than doing stuff for the old one that soon noone will be using. KDE 3.5 is still there. I don't know about the security issues, would it be unsafe now to use KDE 3.5? I remember something about kpfd being masked due to security holes. Wonko
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Alex Schuster wrote: Dale writes: Alex Schuster wrote: Dale, you brave, brave man, are you really using KDE4 now? I am in KDE4. I still have KDE3 installed tho. Thing is, I'm still using the same programs I was in KDE3. Dolphin looks nice and all but I can't use it as root at all. Huh? No problem here. OT: does anyone know about dolphin somehow accessing all files it shows? I see this on a system that uses dolphin to browse remote files via the fish protocol. Previews are not enabled, but all the files are accessed, which means it takes about one hour until the directory is shown, because all files are being retrieved from a SAM-FS server. Maybe it is reading the magic number for each file? I will try konqueror now. This is what I am talking about. Dolphin will browse through directories but as soon as I click to open a text file, it gives a error. I have discussed this on the kde list and it is a known problem. One even said the code was written to prevent that but others say it is just not fixed yet. So, I still use Konqueror just like I did in KDE 3. So, I went back to Konqueror to edit config files and such. I don't use some of the programs that you are using so I don't have the same issues. I use smplayer to do movies or CDs. It doesn't care what DE you use. Ah, smplayer. Did not think about that. It was not important anyway - I had ripped a CD with K3b, and wondered why two tracks were swapped. BTW, what do you use for ripping? K3b is okay, but it does not remember changes like output path or file naming, I have to set this again for every CD. But smplayer does not recognise the CD either. I wonder why I do not have a /dev/cdrom device - only /dev/cdrom3, /dev/cdrw3, /dev/dvd3 and /dev/dvdrw3, all symlinking to /dev/sr0. I have used tkdvd to burn a DVD. It ain't pretty but it worked. ;-) I do like the looks of KDE4. I still think they dropped KDE3 to soon. KDE4 will get there but it is still having issues many months after dropping KDE3. Bad thing is, I don't think they care about the users they left hanging in the wind. I also think KDE3 was dropped too soon. While KDE4 is usable now for most things, it still has too many bugs, and a while ago it had many many more, while development and bug fixing of KDE3 was already stopped. On the other hand, manpower is limited, and I understand the decision to focus on the new project rather than doing stuff for the old one that soon noone will be using. KDE 3.5 is still there. I don't know about the security issues, would it be unsafe now to use KDE 3.5? I remember something about kpfd being masked due to security holes. Wonko I understand the second hand but it still leaves the users out in the cold. I'm hoping the release of KDE 5 will be handled better but I'm not holding my breath. Dale :-) :-)
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100311 Alex Schuster wrote: Philip Webb writes: Konsole has lost its 'fixed GNU' font, which now calls up something nasty (yes, I know there's an entry in the list, but it's a different font). I've switched to Xterm for Mutt may junk Konsole for user terminal too. I noticed this when I started KDE 4.4 for the first time. It looked quite different a bit ugly, but somehow I got used to it. Further experience showed that Xterm's standard font doesn't do Unicode mouse-scroll doesn't work in Most etc, so I've gone back to Konsole settled on a tolerable font in 'fixed misc' at size 13 . I don't use gwenview much. When I used it browsing many photos and rotating lots of them, it always crashed after a while, after it hogged very much of my memory. Just retried that, problem's gone. Hooray! Yes, Gwenview has been quite useable for some time now the KDE 4 version is a bit of an improvement generally. Useable alternatives are Thunar (icon view) Feh (thumbnail view) to browse around Feh (image view) to look at the actual pictures. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
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On Friday 12 March 2010 01:59:19 Philip Webb wrote: Further experience showed that Xterm's standard font doesn't do Unicode mouse-scroll doesn't work in Most etc, so I've gone back to Konsole settled on a tolerable font in 'fixed misc' at size 13 . I haven't been able to configure either xterm or aterm/rxvt to be able to scroll with the mouse inside less/most/man pages etc. I think that this is a konsole feature only - please share if anyone has found a way of doing this in other than konsole terminals. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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Alex Schuster wrote: Alex Schuster writes: Now I'm going to emerge KDE-4.4.1, let's see what this will change. Nothing I notice. At least things have not gone worse:) But still they are not well. But you can safely ignore this if you don't have KDE4 or are not interested in reading how things do not work, and how I still use them. I have no good explanation for this, probably I keep using KDE4 because it is so new and shiny, because I think that the time must come when things actually DO work, and because I so not like to switch to something else. There was never a time when ALL was working fine, but at the moment I am even more disappointed then I used to be. - Kontact. The old address book I had imported fro KDE 3.5 half a year ago showed one address book and many std.vcf (or similar) files, with my data scattered on them. I moved all stuff into the address book, and did not use it for a while Now I wanted to do so, but it did not run due to an error with akonadi. I tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the error message in English, but then I found out that I only have to restart kontact. Fine, now I want to add a contact. First, when I want to edit the location, the country is set to Afghanistan, I always have to change this to Germany. Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, except for Afghans perhaps. But it does not matter much, as I cannot store the data: when I press the OK button, I get a dialog where I should select the address book to store the data in, but the list is empty. Great. I tried adding a new address book, now I have two entries called address book and one called personal contacts, still I cannot add an entry. - Yesterday I tried the demo version of 'World Of Goo', a really nice game. it runs in fullscreen, after ending it my panel was invisible, but still working. At least turning the composite stuff off makes it visible. I tried to switch the resolution with Ctrl-Alt-+/-, and indeed this made the panel come back, but I could not switch the resolution back as it was before. Before trying xrandr I hought I'd just start another session with another window manager (via the K menu), and indeed I got the KDM screen, but only because KDE had crashed. At the next login, I had to rearrange my plasmoids because they were shiftwed to the left, probably due to the lower resolution I had. Or something like that, as switching the resolution should not change the virtual resolution. But in this case, I could not scroll around to see the whole desktop. Well, whatever, I do not dare to try this again. - Dolphin can do FTP, but I have to repeat the login process several times until I see the destination files. - I just tried to listen to a CD, but KsCD does not find it. The eject button ejects, but does not close the tray if pressed again. Okay. I just thought I could play CDs with KDE. Can you? - And I am currently editing a page in my wiki with konqueror, but after the dialog appeared that I should save the edits, it sort of hangs. I can reload the page, but cannot edit any more. The good thing is that I did not edit that much yet. Which is also a bad thing, because when editing longer parts I cop the text to the clipboard from time to time, just in case something crashes. I'm doing this with this mail, too. Hmm, looks like konqueror is still working just as usual, it's just it does no display updates at all. It's the first time it happened, but as it just happened while I was writing this rant, I thought I'd include it. - Of course, Amarok keeps doing weird things. At least I can play music from my collection. But playing a stream sometimes crashes it. And dragging files into Amarok always leads to a crash. Yeah, I know, Amarok is not KDE. But at least one bug was fixed, I got a mail from bugzilla about this today. It's the bug that makes password dialogs not work if the password is to be displayed as three bullets. Wow, nearly two months after it had been reported, this serious bug was at least confirmed to exist and is fixed now. Maybe this bug happens seldomly, but when it happens, much of KDE4 is unusable, as you have no kmail, no kwallet, nothing that needs a password works. Dale, you brave, brave man, are you really using KDE4 now? Wonko
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100309 Alex Schuster wrote some time ago: Now I'm going to emerge KDE-4.4.1, let's see what this will change. today: But still they are not well. I see 1 improvement 2 regressions so far; NB I don't use the desktop (that's Fluxbox), only some apps. Konsole has lost its 'fixed GNU' font, which now calls up something nasty (yes, I know there's an entry in the list, but it's a different font). I've switched to Xterm for Mutt may junk Konsole for user terminal too. Gwenview shows a lot of silly little pictures plastered all over folders there seems to be no way of telling it not to. Do I want a picture of Conrad Black in my big 'people' collection ? -- Yes. Do I want to look at him every time I open Gwenview ? -- No !! Gwenview has regained F2='rename', which it lost after KDE 3 , a plus. Still no 'removed tiles' display in Kmahjongg, so it's still KDE 3 for that thank the gods for Gentoo making it easy. Still no port of Ksokoban: apparently they can't decide what to name it. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
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Alex Schuster wrote: Dale, you brave, brave man, are you really using KDE4 now? Wonko I am in KDE4. I still have KDE3 installed tho. Thing is, I'm still using the same programs I was in KDE3. Dolphin looks nice and all but I can't use it as root at all. So, I went back to Konqueror to edit config files and such. I don't use some of the programs that you are using so I don't have the same issues. I use smplayer to do movies or CDs. It doesn't care what DE you use. I have to admit, I am sort of moving some things away from KDE. The way KDE has done this change over has certainly left a bad taste in my mouth. If they do KDE5 the same way, I will likely be switching to something else. Heck, I may not be using KDE specific apps by then. Smplayer for example will run on any DE as far as I know. I do like the looks of KDE4. I still think they dropped KDE3 to soon. KDE4 will get there but it is still having issues many months after dropping KDE3. Bad thing is, I don't think they care about the users they left hanging in the wind. Dale :-) :-)
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On Tuesday 09 March 2010 20:12:09 Alex Schuster wrote: Alex Schuster wrote: Alex Schuster writes: Now I'm going to emerge KDE-4.4.1, let's see what this will change. Nothing I notice. At least things have not gone worse:) But still they are not well. But you can safely ignore this if you don't have KDE4 or are not interested in reading how things do not work, and how I still use them. I have no good explanation for this, probably I keep using KDE4 because it is so new and shiny, because I think that the time must come when things actually DO work, and because I so not like to switch to something else. There was never a time when ALL was working fine, but at the moment I am even more disappointed then I used to be. - Kontact. The old address book I had imported fro KDE 3.5 half a year ago showed one address book and many std.vcf (or similar) files, with my data scattered on them. I moved all stuff into the address book, and did not use it for a while Now I wanted to do so, but it did not run due to an error with akonadi. Did you try to create a local resource using your systemsettings and point it to the local KDE3.5 contacts file? If you restart the address book, then akonadi will kick in a carry out the migration - if it does not succeed it will tell you so. In that case you may need to fix things manually (I've posted how in an older thread of mine, where I managed to make akonadi to succeed in its migration from a local resource file using sqlite - I don't have mysql in this box. Let me know if you can't find it.) I tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the error message in English, but then I found out that I only have to restart kontact. Fine, now I want to add a contact. First, when I want to edit the location, the country is set to Afghanistan, I always have to change this to Germany. Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, except for Afghans perhaps. Have you tried to set up your locale in systemsettings to Germany? But it does not matter much, as I cannot store the data: when I press the OK button, I get a dialog where I should select the address book to store the data in, but the list is empty. Great. I tried adding a new address book, now I have two entries called address book and one called personal contacts, still I cannot add an entry. Try to get akonadi to complete its migration, or I think what you're trying to do will not work. - Dolphin can do FTP, but I have to repeat the login process several times until I see the destination files. I've also noticed an error when I try to connect with ftp saying that the connection failed, but then if I click on reload it connects fine. - I just tried to listen to a CD, but KsCD does not find it. The eject button ejects, but does not close the tray if pressed again. Okay. I just thought I could play CDs with KDE. Can you? Yes, although KsCD looks and feels pretty clunky. - And I am currently editing a page in my wiki with konqueror, but after the dialog appeared that I should save the edits, it sort of hangs. I can reload the page, but cannot edit any more. The good thing is that I did not edit that much yet. Which is also a bad thing, because when editing longer parts I cop the text to the clipboard from time to time, just in case something crashes. I'm doing this with this mail, too. Hmm, looks like konqueror is still working just as usual, it's just it does no display updates at all. It's the first time it happened, but as it just happened while I was writing this rant, I thought I'd include it. Haven't noticed this. - Of course, Amarok keeps doing weird things. At least I can play music from my collection. But playing a stream sometimes crashes it. And dragging files into Amarok always leads to a crash. Yeah, I know, Amarok is not KDE. Given up on that long ago (and sadly have not found a nice replacement which won't pull in the whole of Gnome or worse) But at least one bug was fixed, I got a mail from bugzilla about this today. It's the bug that makes password dialogs not work if the password is to be displayed as three bullets. Wow, nearly two months after it had been reported, this serious bug was at least confirmed to exist and is fixed now. Maybe this bug happens seldomly, but when it happens, much of KDE4 is unusable, as you have no kmail, no kwallet, nothing that needs a password works. Hmm ... no such problem over here. Dale, you brave, brave man, are you really using KDE4 now? Wonko -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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Alex Schuster writes: Now I'm going to emerge KDE-4.4.1, let's see what this will change. Nothing I notice. At least things have not gone worse:) Wonko
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Alan McKinnon writes: On Monday 01 March 2010 18:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote: On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in this time? Fuck knows what amarok-2x does for the first 5 minutes. I *think* On my system it scans the music directory, presumably to find updates that happened when amarok was not running. Fair enough, can't argue that, but why is it so *slow*??? Yes, it scans the collection, I just verified that by removing a folder from my collection. Start-up takes 7 minutes, I guess this also slows down my KDE4 start-up even further (strigi also scans some stuff for about a minute, along this music files I did not touch in any way). So when I save my KDE session I have to remember to quit amarok before that. Of course, I also have to remember to start amarok some time after I logged in, so I can play music when I want without having to wait 7 minutes first. This does not feel right... BTW, a find /data/mp3 -type d takes about a minute. Checking the date of the directories to verify they did not alter since the last scan should not take that much longer. Ah, I see the problem. It mainly scans /data/mp3/incoming, a directory I have NOT selected as collection folder (but most other directories in /data/mp3 are selected). Still, those files do not show up in my collection, which is fine - some time ago amarok did index all in /data/mp3, even if a directory was not selected. Fuck also knows what the amarok devs are doing in general. I still can't find a way to move stuff to an mp3 player like the old 1.4 version did. And the library thingamagij still doesn't always update tags, or put tag changes that it itself did into it's own database. It gladly accepts any changes you make in the Edit Tags dialog, and tries to write them, even if it knows it cannot do it (no support for that format, permissions, etc). Then, no warning or message about this. Ah, this looks familiar, I ran into this, too. Depending on which bleeding edge latest-svn commit build you happen to get on any given day, this last might or might not tell you something in the status bar. I'm always using the newest version that is not hard-masked. with every new version, some things get better, but others get worse. This delays and startup times are new to me, but on the other hand I did not get any file corruption for a long time. I do not like the new toolbar though. Where are the stop, forward and back buttons? And for the volume control I have to move the mouse in a circle around it... or use the scroll wheel, okay. Nah, I liked it better the way it was before. For all the above reasons, and more, I have switched to clementine (it's in portage). It's a Qt port of amarok-1.4 and has equivalents of all the music- playing goodness that amarok used to have. It doesn't do tags, external players, wikipedia etc etc, it just plays music. And you have to tag your music by other means with eg kid3. I can live with that. At least it starts and stays up. Nice! But not for me. I like the wikipedia stuff. And tagging, now that it seems to work. And what amarok is supposed to become. Yes, I like it much better than the old amarok, it's just that things do not already work fine. So I will keep suffering, until some day amarok will not do all the annoying stuff it currently does. The day will come! Hopefully long before they start coding amarok-3 and all gets worse again. I'll just have to wait. And wait. Thanks anyway for the tip, at least I can use clementine when I see that amarok is not running yet and did not do its 7 minutes of scanning already. Wonko
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On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want it to just use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it happen. Can you symlink Desktop-1 to Desktop? ( I only have 1 monitor and have never tried this... so forgive me if it's a stupid idea)
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Mick writes: On Monday 01 March 2010 16:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote: And another weekend of KDE4 trouble. I rebooted after some upgrades, along those were Qt and MySQL. Now, plasma-desktop crashed, also when restarting it on the command line. [snip ...] Sorry for the whining, Nah! It's good to vent every now and then. :-)) Thanks! sniff Is it perhaps that you have a very complex/overloaded plasma set up? Not really. I would like to, though, this stuff is actually quite nice. I changed my setup to have a different activity for each desktop, and I like it. I hope this stuff becomes more stable and usable soon. And I am missing features. Why can't I tell a plasmoid to appear on several desktops / activities I select, and not only on one? Why can't I insert another activity/desktop between the ones I already have? At the moment, I think I would have to close all plasmoids and re-open them on the new activity I want them to be, this is annoying. But again, I like the whole idea, it's only not perfect yet. I've updated KDE on two machines and went swimmingly well. On one machine I first removed qt3 and then had no problems whatsoever. On the other I can't recall what I did with qt3 ... Other than that, I've noticed this sort of behaviour in the past with KDE2 and KDE3 when I was trying to use KDE while major apps were being updated. This might have been the problem. But I would not like to log out for that, I just do the world updates from time to time when the machine has not much else to do, but I like to keep my desktop session running. Wonko
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On Wednesday 03 March 2010 17:48:39 Paul Hartman wrote: On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want it to just use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it happen. Can you symlink Desktop-1 to Desktop? ( I only have 1 monitor and have never tried this... so forgive me if it's a stupid idea) Dunno, I'm too scared to try :-) I remember the devastation that occurred the last time I deleted Desktop-1. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Wednesday 03 March 2010 13:27:45 Alex Schuster wrote: On Monday 01 March 2010 18:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote: On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in this time? Fuck knows what amarok-2x does for the first 5 minutes. I think On my system it scans the music directory, presumably to find updates that happened when amarok was not running. Fair enough, can't argue that, but why is it so *slow*??? Yes, it scans the collection, I just verified that by removing a folder from my collection. Start-up takes 7 minutes, I guess this also slows down my KDE4 start-up even further (strigi also scans some stuff for about a minute, along this music files I did not touch in any way). So when I save my KDE session I have to remember to quit amarok before that. Of course, I also have to remember to start amarok some time after I logged in, so I can play music when I want without having to wait 7 minutes first. This does not feel right... BTW, a find /data/mp3 -type d takes about a minute. Checking the date of the directories to verify they did not alter since the last scan should not take that much longer. Ah, I see the problem. It mainly scans /data/mp3/incoming, a directory I have NOT selected as collection folder (but most other directories in /data/mp3 are selected). Still, those files do not show up in my collection, which is fine - some time ago amarok did index all in /data/mp3, even if a directory was not selected. I wonder if amarok would not be better off using the strigi/nepomuk indexing function, instead of trying to be real clever and doing it itself. OTOH, that might just resurrect the mother of all threads we had recently - the one about the pros and cons of nepomuk and semantic-desktop :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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I wonder if amarok would not be better off using the strigi/nepomuk indexing function, instead of trying to be real clever and doing it itself. I think Amarok uses MySQL.
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if amarok would not be better off using the strigi/nepomuk indexing function, instead of trying to be real clever and doing it itself. AFAIK it is on the Amarok to-do list now that the speed is good enough to replace mysql, but nobody has volunteered to take on the challenge yet. I think there's also the potential problem of users who don't install or enable the indexing/semantic-desktop stuff might not be able to use Amarok then...
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Alan McKinnon writes: On Wednesday 03 March 2010 13:27:45 Alex Schuster wrote: [RANT RANT RANT] Ah, I see the problem. It mainly scans /data/mp3/incoming, a directory I have NOT selected as collection folder (but most other directories in /data/mp3 are selected). Still, those files do not show up in my collection, which is fine - some time ago amarok did index all in /data/mp3, even if a directory was not selected. I investigated this further. Amarok seems to look for all playlists below /data/mp3, and then looks up all of their files. No idea why. I wonder if amarok would not be better off using the strigi/nepomuk indexing function, instead of trying to be real clever and doing it itself. Strigi also keeps indexing parts of my /data/mp3 stuff with EVERY login. OTOH, that might just resurrect the mother of all threads we had recently - the one about the pros and cons of nepomuk and semantic-desktop :-) I am pro, I like it, but again it seems those things are not yet working right. Strigi indexes stuff over and over again at every login. virtuoso-t then also runs for a while and hogs resources. dbus-daemon uses 10-15 percent of CPU time according to top. Should it do this? I enabled auto-login for KDE, so when I boot the system, at least things are already indexed when I start working with it. Now I'm going to emerge KDE-4.4.1, let's see what this will change. Wonko
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On Wednesday 03 March 2010 19:32:57 Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if amarok would not be better off using the strigi/nepomuk indexing function, instead of trying to be real clever and doing it itself. AFAIK it is on the Amarok to-do list now that the speed is good enough to replace mysql, but nobody has volunteered to take on the challenge yet. I think there's also the potential problem of users who don't install or enable the indexing/semantic-desktop stuff might not be able to use Amarok then... It could be a build-time option, giving the user a choice -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Wednesday 03 March 2010 19:30:56 stosss wrote: I wonder if amarok would not be better off using the strigi/nepomuk indexing function, instead of trying to be real clever and doing it itself. I think Amarok uses MySQL. Amarok definitely uses MySQL, but that's the storage function, we are talking about the search function. It uses MySQL in the most brain-dead way anyone ever heard of, a way that no- one in their right mind would consider even half-way sane. It *requires* you to jump through interminable loops at build-time because it wants, wait for it, shared embedded libraries. I mean, wtf? That's not something MySQL was built to do. It's like having sex to preserve virginity Then, to top it all, the Qt db libs get used wrongly too, causing the db to ... not work. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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Alex Schuster wrote: [KDE4 problems] And so on. But it's not so bad I cannot work with it (well, sometimes it is, and then I have to fix it, like when the password dialog no longer accepted passwords), and so I keep using it, waiting it to become really stable and usable. And another weekend of KDE4 trouble. I rebooted after some upgrades, along those were Qt and MySQL. Now, plasma-desktop crashed, also when restarting it on the command line. So again I renamed the .kde4 directory and got one from my last backup. The desktop came up, but kmail failed, due to akonadi not finding its database. I thought it had to do with the mysql update so I masked that one and tried to build an older version, but it did not build. Now I see this was not the old version I had running, but something in between. Anyway, the problem was another one, I had to rebuild qt-sql. I had some Qt blockers during the last @world update that the newest portage did not resolve, so I did an emerge -1av $( qlist -I qt- ) - after this, @world was updateable. Maybe this emerge -1 stuff was the problem, I have no idea. Then I wanted my last session back, as I had changed some things since the last backup and I also wanted my konqueror sessions - no idea where those are stored. So again I took the .kde directory (A) which was not working and the one from the last backup (B), and moved files from B to A until A was working again. And did so until I found which exact file was responsible for plasma-desktop not running (it was share/config/plasma- desktop-appletsrc). I had to reboot many times, because when KDE4 was running and plasma crashed, I had no way to log out adn had to restart the X server. And when switching to a text console and back to the newly started X server, I get an empty display on all consoles, probably due to the fglrx drivers. I know that already, but as I did not got any other drivers to run, I am stuck with ati-drivers. At least I have desktop effects and stuff running. You can lose a lot of time with this. And I am wondering if KDE4 is the right thing for me. On the one hand, I like it very much. And it is getting better and better. I just discovered that I can tab windows, this is soo cool. On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in this time? And KDE4 is slow. That maybe another problem, something seems to be wrong here, I'd expect the system to be faster, and not make any pauses when emerge is running (niced to 19 and also ioniced). I do not want to wait for seconds when switching desktops (sometimes its fast, sometimes not). Sorry for the whining, Wonko
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On Monday 01 March 2010 18:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote: On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in this time? Fuck knows what amarok-2x does for the first 5 minutes. I *think* On my system it scans the music directory, presumably to find updates that happened when amarok was not running. Fair enough, can't argue that, but why is it so *slow*??? Fuck also knows what the amarok devs are doing in general. I still can't find a way to move stuff to an mp3 player like the old 1.4 version did. And the library thingamagij still doesn't always update tags, or put tag changes that it itself did into it's own database. It gladly accepts any changes you make in the Edit Tags dialog, and tries to write them, even if it knows it cannot do it (no support for that format, permissions, etc). Then, no warning or message about this. Depending on which bleeding edge latest-svn commit build you happen to get on any given day, this last might or might not tell you something in the status bar. For all the above reasons, and more, I have switched to clementine (it's in portage). It's a Qt port of amarok-1.4 and has equivalents of all the music- playing goodness that amarok used to have. It doesn't do tags, external players, wikipedia etc etc, it just plays music. And you have to tag your music by other means with eg kid3. I can live with that. At least it starts and stays up. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Monday 01 March 2010 18:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote: On the other hand, from time to time I have show-stoppers, and then I cannot use kmail, or no KDE4 at all. And have to invest time to solve this. And there are these annoying things. Like Amarok being very unstable, and taking 5 minutes to start. What the heck is it doing in this time? Fuck knows what amarok-2x does for the first 5 minutes. I *think* On my system it scans the music directory, presumably to find updates that happened when amarok was not running. Fair enough, can't argue that, but why is it so *slow*??? Fuck also knows what the amarok devs are doing in general. I still can't find a way to move stuff to an mp3 player like the old 1.4 version did. And the library thingamagij still doesn't always update tags, or put tag changes that it itself did into it's own database. It gladly accepts any changes you make in the Edit Tags dialog, and tries to write them, even if it knows it cannot do it (no support for that format, permissions, etc). Then, no warning or message about this. Depending on which bleeding edge latest-svn commit build you happen to get on any given day, this last might or might not tell you something in the status bar. For all the above reasons, and more, I have switched to clementine (it's in portage). It's a Qt port of amarok-1.4 and has equivalents of all the music- playing goodness that amarok used to have. It doesn't do tags, external players, wikipedia etc etc, it just plays music. And you have to tag your music by other means with eg kid3. I can live with that. At least it starts and stays up. And to think I have been in KDE 4 for almost a week now. Maybe this is to soon to remove KDE 3? My pet peeve so far is the background slide show. Every time I log in, try to change a setting for the background, or sneeze the wrong way, it starts looking for the new images, even tho there may not be any. I have a huge amount of them and it takes almost 2 minutes to rebuild whatever it is building. While it is doing that, it won't do anything else. I'm hoping this will change sometime soon. Oh, I also don't like that the images are random. Most of my images are done as a slide show. Having them in random order sort of defeats the point. Dale :-) :-)
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On Monday 01 March 2010 21:07:18 Dale wrote: And to think I have been in KDE 4 for almost a week now. Maybe this is to soon to remove KDE 3? To be fair, amarok is not part of KDE-4, it's a third party add-on to the KDE framework. Not much the KDE devs can do about that except encourage the Amarok devs to ship quality tested code. Sort of like AdBlock - if it were poor quality it would not be a correct reflection on Mozilla as a whole My pet peeve so far is the background slide show. Every time I log in, try to change a setting for the background, or sneeze the wrong way, it starts looking for the new images, even tho there may not be any. I have a huge amount of them and it takes almost 2 minutes to rebuild whatever it is building. While it is doing that, it won't do anything else. I'm hoping this will change sometime soon. Oh, I also don't like that the images are random. Most of my images are done as a slide show. Having them in random order sort of defeats the point. My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want it to just use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it happen. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Monday 01 March 2010 21:07:18 Dale wrote: And to think I have been in KDE 4 for almost a week now. Maybe this is to soon to remove KDE 3? To be fair, amarok is not part of KDE-4, it's a third party add-on to the KDE framework. Not much the KDE devs can do about that except encourage the Amarok devs to ship quality tested code. Sort of like AdBlock - if it were poor quality it would not be a correct reflection on Mozilla as a whole This is true I guess. It is getting there but I still have to work around problems. It's still missing things but it is getting more usable. My pet peeve so far is the background slide show. Every time I log in, try to change a setting for the background, or sneeze the wrong way, it starts looking for the new images, even tho there may not be any. I have a huge amount of them and it takes almost 2 minutes to rebuild whatever it is building. While it is doing that, it won't do anything else. I'm hoping this will change sometime soon. Oh, I also don't like that the images are random. Most of my images are done as a slide show. Having them in random order sort of defeats the point. My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want it to just use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it happen. I still have a single CRT monitor. The LCDs are getting cheaper tho. Maybe they will fix or add the needed code for you to be able to do what you want before to long. I'm not sure when the next set of updates are coming out. I never could get the kde layman to work right so I gave up on it. The kde-sunset works fine tho. Weird. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Monday 01 March 2010 19:22:29 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 01 March 2010 21:07:18 Dale wrote: And to think I have been in KDE 4 for almost a week now. Maybe this is to soon to remove KDE 3? To be fair, amarok is not part of KDE-4, it's a third party add-on to the KDE framework. Not much the KDE devs can do about that except encourage the Amarok devs to ship quality tested code. Sort of like AdBlock - if it were poor quality it would not be a correct reflection on Mozilla as a whole My pet peeve so far is the background slide show. Every time I log in, try to change a setting for the background, or sneeze the wrong way, it starts looking for the new images, even tho there may not be any. I have a huge amount of them and it takes almost 2 minutes to rebuild whatever it is building. While it is doing that, it won't do anything else. I'm hoping this will change sometime soon. Oh, I also don't like that the images are random. Most of my images are done as a slide show. Having them in random order sort of defeats the point. My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want it to just use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it happen. How does e17 compare in terms of resources to other WMs/DEs like *box, LXDE, xface, these days? I had a look at it when it was all the rage back when, but it looked too Gnomey to me at the time and I couldn't find a reason for preferring it over say fluxbox. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Monday 01 March 2010 16:08:05 Alex Schuster wrote: Alex Schuster wrote: [KDE4 problems] And so on. But it's not so bad I cannot work with it (well, sometimes it is, and then I have to fix it, like when the password dialog no longer accepted passwords), and so I keep using it, waiting it to become really stable and usable. And another weekend of KDE4 trouble. I rebooted after some upgrades, along those were Qt and MySQL. Now, plasma-desktop crashed, also when restarting it on the command line. [snip ...] Sorry for the whining, Nah! It's good to vent every now and then. :-)) Is it perhaps that you have a very complex/overloaded plasma set up? I've updated KDE on two machines and went swimmingly well. On one machine I first removed qt3 and then had no problems whatsoever. On the other I can't recall what I did with qt3 ... Other than that, I've noticed this sort of behaviour in the past with KDE2 and KDE3 when I was trying to use KDE while major apps were being updated. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Monday 01 March 2010 22:28:42 Mick wrote: My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want it to just use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it happen. How does e17 compare in terms of resources to other WMs/DEs like *box, LXDE, xface, these days? I had a look at it when it was all the rage back when, but it looked too Gnomey to me at the time and I couldn't find a reason for preferring it over say fluxbox. As of right now, I really couldn't say. About 6 months ago the e17 devs started ramping up for a release that was supposed to happen round about last xmas. Then Samsung and a French manufacturer of set-top boxes got in on the action, as a result the code changes faster than Paris Hilton changes her knickers. It stopped reliably building from one hour to the next ... :-) So I switched to KDE to get some stability and haven't tried again since. e17 has to be evaluated on it's own merits, like all other software. it's not like anything ... except perhaps e17 itself. It's claims to fame are twofold: 1. Themeability. If you have every written a KDE or Gnome theme engine you will know what a serious ball-ache it is. Code mixed in with specs mixed in with image files e17 does it a different way with .edj files. You write an .edc spec file in a declarative style (as in you say *what* you want, not *how* it is done - that's the engine's job to figure that out) and supply your images to be used on the widgets. Then run it through a mini-compiler to produce an .edj, tell the wm to use it and voila! theme applied. It's not just a simple replace all those .pngs with these .pngs to get a different set of colours - you change the entire look and feel of the desktop and the engine just knows what to do with it. 2. Configurability. Everything that can possibly be changeable is so, including stuff that really shouldn't be :-) It makes KDE look minimalist. Fortunately, a lot of the advanced stuff can be hidden in the config dialog which improves things. Resources - it's hard to write a wm these days that isn't a resource hog in some ways. If you want transparency and composition, be prepared to sell some cpu to get it. Having said that, e17 runs blindingly fast on ARM mobile devices when configured appropriately. It's nowhere near as minimalist as *box, those wm's are in a class where if they suit your needs, then nothing else will come close, especially not e17 which is designed to showcase graphic effects to a large degree. *box is the polar opposite of that -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Monday 01 March 2010 21:17:23 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 01 March 2010 22:28:42 Mick wrote: My pet peeve is Desktop. I have two monitors at work and use two X screens. KDE wants to create a Desktop and a Desktop-1 directory. I want it to just use the same set of files for both - background, icons, plasma widgets must be the same on both monitors, but actual app windows running there independent. This seems perfectly reasonable to me - e17 does it out the box - but thus far I have not found the magic voodoo spell that makes it happen. How does e17 compare in terms of resources to other WMs/DEs like *box, LXDE, xface, these days? I had a look at it when it was all the rage back when, but it looked too Gnomey to me at the time and I couldn't find a reason for preferring it over say fluxbox. As of right now, I really couldn't say. About 6 months ago the e17 devs started ramping up for a release that was supposed to happen round about last xmas. Then Samsung and a French manufacturer of set-top boxes got in on the action, as a result the code changes faster than Paris Hilton changes her knickers. It stopped reliably building from one hour to the next ... :-) So I switched to KDE to get some stability and haven't tried again since. e17 has to be evaluated on it's own merits, like all other software. it's not like anything ... except perhaps e17 itself. It's claims to fame are twofold: 1. Themeability. If you have every written a KDE or Gnome theme engine you will know what a serious ball-ache it is. Code mixed in with specs mixed in with image files e17 does it a different way with .edj files. You write an .edc spec file in a declarative style (as in you say *what* you want, not *how* it is done - that's the engine's job to figure that out) and supply your images to be used on the widgets. Then run it through a mini-compiler to produce an .edj, tell the wm to use it and voila! theme applied. It's not just a simple replace all those .pngs with these .pngs to get a different set of colours - you change the entire look and feel of the desktop and the engine just knows what to do with it. 2. Configurability. Everything that can possibly be changeable is so, including stuff that really shouldn't be :-) It makes KDE look minimalist. Fortunately, a lot of the advanced stuff can be hidden in the config dialog which improves things. Resources - it's hard to write a wm these days that isn't a resource hog in some ways. If you want transparency and composition, be prepared to sell some cpu to get it. Having said that, e17 runs blindingly fast on ARM mobile devices when configured appropriately. It's nowhere near as minimalist as *box, those wm's are in a class where if they suit your needs, then nothing else will come close, especially not e17 which is designed to showcase graphic effects to a large degree. *box is the polar opposite of that Thanks Alan, your insight in this is much appreciated. I've been trying different things and keep coming back to fluxbox. Having spent time some years ago to set it up just-as-I-want-it in terms of the menu with all my apps, as well as the windows behaviour and decoration, I find that I am trying to change other WMs to behave like fluxbox! Ha! I am a creature of (minimalist) habit I guess. I'll probably have another pop at e17 and see what gives. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Tuesday 02 March 2010 01:17:06 Mick wrote: Thanks Alan, your insight in this is much appreciated. I've been trying different things and keep coming back to fluxbox. Having spent time some years ago to set it up just-as-I-want-it in terms of the menu with all my apps, as well as the windows behaviour and decoration, I find that I am trying to change other WMs to behave like fluxbox! Ha! I am a creature of (minimalist) habit I guess. I'll probably have another pop at e17 and see what gives. I feel your pain :-) I feel the same way about Gentoo - I've used just about everything else under the sun for the work server, but on my personal machines (and the many tinker- toys in the lab at work) I keep coming back to Gentoo. And I keep trying to rebuild packages on Centos with the support I want, not what the dev thinks I want. USE truly does spoil a sysadmin ;-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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Peter Humphrey writes: On Thursday 25 February 2010 00:10:18 Alex Schuster wrote: This KMail window has spell checking which is nice to have. But when I open the spell checking dialog in order to add words to the dictionary, I always have to start at the very beginning and reply to all problems until I get to the word I want it to learn. You might like instead to try right-clicking on the word you want it to learn. Sorry if eggs meet grandmothers here. Nice! Did not see this as it only works if the word is not highlighted. Oh, and it even has problems with numbers like 4.2. This looks to me like the typical example of a nice idea, but it's implemented so badly I just do not use it. I don't have any of these problems with kmail. It really is a first-rate program. I like it, too, I'm using it for years now even if it crashed daily in 3.5. Kmail was just an example, the spell checking probably works the same in all KDE applications. And this is not a big problem at all, it's more of a symptom of KDE4 things being not so well-tested yet. Wonko
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On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:41 PM, ubiquitous1980 nixuser1...@gmail.comwrote: Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com mailto:volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. I'd like to just nuke nepomuk, but fear the consequences. I'm seriously entertaining ideas about a more efficient way to run my Gentoo system, although I'll probably keep kdelibs because I like a few of their games. Similarly for gnome. But I wonder what I should do about the rest. Ideas? just deactivate it. But one thing surprises me - I have 400gb of data in /home. And nepomuk just needs 600mb... Okay, but I don't really know what it is, let alone how to deactivate it. I'll search around. Thanks. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD Kevin To deactivate it: System Settings Desktop Search [De-select] Enable Nepomuk Semantic Desktop In my case, on the same page, I disabled Strigi also. Damien Sticklen Thanks. My having research work with a few hundred thousand small files and a couple of terrabytes of storage and backups could account for the size. Some occasional sluggishness too. It makes no sense to index any of this, so ditching it feels good. For anyone else in the same boat, I would amend the instructions thus: System Settings Advanced Desktop Search [De-select] Enable Nepomuk Semantic Desktop Again, thanks. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
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Volker Armin Hemmann writes: On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. I'd like to just nuke nepomuk, but fear the consequences. I'm seriously entertaining ideas about a more efficient way to run my Gentoo system, although I'll probably keep kdelibs because I like a few of their games. Similarly for gnome. But I wonder what I should do about the rest. Ideas? just deactivate it. But one thing surprises me - I have 400gb of data in /home. And nepomuk just needs 600mb... I had similar problems with KDE 4.2. And I wonder why strigi keeps indexing some of my files every time log into KDE, which I am sure were not changed in the meantime. But I do not notice this much, because Amarok creates much more disk I/O before it crashes every time I log in. Then I restart it, it scans for a while, and works then. Maybe I'll downgrade, or I'll wait for an update, I got so used to Amarok I do not want to change. That's my experience with KDE4. It's really nice, has cool features and is getting better and better, but it's always many things which do not run correctly. With every KDE update, some are fixed, and other problems appear. Problems that I had with 4.2 and still have with 4.4: - Session saving sometimes does not work - Kmail complains about running two times when started at login by a saved session - I get dialogs about crashed konqueror sessions I can restore - kthumbnail thumbnails my files over and over again, two days ago I had a load of 400 - Amarok: crashes, ogg file corruption, wrong playlists, sloow response (sometimes I miss the first 1-2 seconds) - many bundled plasmoids seem to be buggy - Krunner is very nice, if only it would not crash so often or hang for seconds, so that using the K menu is easier. Once I had to remove its config file because it would not start at all. - My additional Konqueror profiles do not appear in the file menu. I can enable them, they are lost at next login. - Under load the panel does not react well, clicks onto another desktop take 10 seconds to happen sometimes. Switching via hotkey is still fast. - This KMail window has spell checking which is nice to have. But when I open the spell checking dialog in order to add words to the dictionary, I always have to start at the very beginning and reply to all problems until I get to the word I want it to learn. Oh, and it even has problems with numbers like 4.2. This looks to me like the typical example of a nice idea, but it's implemented so badly I just do not use it. And so on. But it's not so bad I cannot work with it (well, sometimes it is, and then I have to fix it, like when the password dialog no longer accepted passwords), and so I keep using it, waiting it to become really stable and usable. Wonko
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On Thursday 25 February 2010 00:10:18 Alex Schuster wrote: This KMail window has spell checking which is nice to have. But when I open the spell checking dialog in order to add words to the dictionary, I always have to start at the very beginning and reply to all problems until I get to the word I want it to learn. You might like instead to try right-clicking on the word you want it to learn. Sorry if eggs meet grandmothers here. Oh, and it even has problems with numbers like 4.2. This looks to me like the typical example of a nice idea, but it's implemented so badly I just do not use it. I don't have any of these problems with kmail. It really is a first-rate program. -- Rgds Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. I'd like to just nuke nepomuk, but fear the consequences. I'm seriously entertaining ideas about a more efficient way to run my Gentoo system, although I'll probably keep kdelibs because I like a few of their games. Similarly for gnome. But I wonder what I should do about the rest. Ideas? just deactivate it. But one thing surprises me - I have 400gb of data in /home. And nepomuk just needs 600mb...
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. I'd like to just nuke nepomuk, but fear the consequences. I'm seriously entertaining ideas about a more efficient way to run my Gentoo system, although I'll probably keep kdelibs because I like a few of their games. Similarly for gnome. But I wonder what I should do about the rest. Ideas? just deactivate it. But one thing surprises me - I have 400gb of data in /home. And nepomuk just needs 600mb... Okay, but I don't really know what it is, let alone how to deactivate it. I'll search around. Thanks. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com mailto:volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. I'd like to just nuke nepomuk, but fear the consequences. I'm seriously entertaining ideas about a more efficient way to run my Gentoo system, although I'll probably keep kdelibs because I like a few of their games. Similarly for gnome. But I wonder what I should do about the rest. Ideas? just deactivate it. But one thing surprises me - I have 400gb of data in /home. And nepomuk just needs 600mb... Okay, but I don't really know what it is, let alone how to deactivate it. I'll search around. Thanks. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD Kevin To deactivate it: System Settings Desktop Search [De-select] Enable Nepomuk Semantic Desktop In my case, on the same page, I disabled Strigi also. Damien Sticklen
