Re: [GNHLUG] Re: Hosstraders Dead, but NEARFest Lives!!
On Mar 19, 2007, at 18:38, Ben Scott wrote: - It puts most of the burden on the operators, not the perpetrators I'm much more afraid of the legal system than losing $20 - the burden would depend on individual decisions like that. Some days I'd be happy to have somebody do monitor disposal for me for $20, especially if it's an old SGI. The guy who sticks up a convenience store for $46 and a fist full of Slim Jims makes a different decision than me. But he's probably not at a ham fest. Basically this boils down to Is one line on a registration sheet worth saving the participant $20 for the weekend, eliminating the accounting, and making that ($20 * n) available for commerce at the flea market? They may decide that it's not worth it. I'd also be very worried about scamming. I could bring in 5 CRT's under the pile of crap and/or under a blanket, and head out with $100. - Some CRTs may not have a make and unit ID (this *is* a hamfest) I've never seen such units, but it's possible, so the problem could be reduced to the $20 fee for just those units. - The operators now *have* to comb the trash to find dumped CRTs They'll still have to do that, otherwise they wouldn't need the $20. You're assuming a 100% compliance rate with return. They can't count on a deduction total because of the smuggling problem and/or perceived disposal service. - The operators still have to pay for disposal (or storage) - The operators have to wait for the authorities to find and convict the perps, and then seek damages The police will take them as evidence. - The authorities may not care (or may have bigger fish to fry) Could be - illegal dumping is a hot-button topic here, but maybe not there. This is a 1-phone-call fine collection dream (whatever the town's local fine for dumping is - $200 here). - If the perps are never caught, the operators are stuck with the cost For illegal dumping this is likely to be true, for units that are registered, identity is established a-priori, so they don't need to be caught, just served notice. Again, if you can afford to a haul a CRT to Deerfield for a hamfest, you can afford a $20 deposit for two days. That's probably a good average-case scenario. I could probably bring 5 complete working systems to said hamfest, loaded with linux, ready for anybody to take home for $30 (or $50 - $20 at the door), but some weeks I can't afford to pony up $100 at the door to engage in such volunteerism. If I did have $100 in the budget for it, that's still $100 I won't be spending inside the hamfest. I admit that's an outlier case. (And I'm in Virginia that week this year, so I'm arguing academically) On Mar 19, 2007, at 21:23, Bill Sconce wrote: Photo ID and brand/serial number? At a _fleamarket_? It's a fair point. If I were the organizers I'd raise the ticket price $2 and assume people will be dumping. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 New Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: MonadLUG notes, 8-March-2007: Pitch your distro
On Mar 19, 2007, at 17:54, Ben Scott wrote: /me ponders running early Linux distros in a VM, for the hack value... I've got some InfoMagic discs with floppy images around here somewhere (frikkin' packrat) if you want them. I'm curious if there's a VM that emulates an old enough PC for them to boot, though I expect an emulator in a VM could handle that problem. By time my friend, Jim Hart, convinced me to try Linux, Slackware was out (with an IP stack!), so I'm not really sure what Yggdrasil supported, myself. Funny thing is I'm doing some work later today on a new project using a Slackware-based distro. (first time in ~12 years) -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 New Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Making Progress [ was x86 emulator for PPC Mac OS X? ]
Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did the docs mention whether it was only on a PPC system that it crashed? They didn't mention which version. I seem to be running v.9.0, not sure of the sub-version (i.e. dXX). I'll play around with it some more and see what I can get. Maybe it's just having problems booting from a floppy image vs. a cdrom ISO image. So, I seem to have gotten past the boot/install process and now successfully have 2 OpenBSD VMs running under QEMU on my Mac PowerBook. My next hurdle is getting the tun/tap stuff running, which seems to be giving quite a few people a lot of trouble. Apparently Apple horked the networking code in Tiger such that the tun/tap driver which (reportedly) used to work find under Panther no longer does so. I may be able to do what I want without the tun/tap networking, but it sure would be more fun with it :) So, I can now try out all sorts of distros on my Mac :) If y'all haven't played with QEMU, it's a slick little VM. It's free, runs *really* well under Linux, and is useful for all sorts of things. And before anyone asks, yes, I'll be glad to do a presentation on this as soon as someone figures out teleportation to get me from Cambridge to Nashua with a pit-stop at home to see my kids in between :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Making Progress [ was x86 emulator for PPC Mac OS X? ]
On 3/20/07, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did the docs mention whether it was only on a PPC system that it crashed? They didn't mention which version. I seem to be running v.9.0, not sure of the sub-version (i.e. dXX). I'll play around with it some more and see what I can get. Maybe it's just having problems booting from a floppy image vs. a cdrom ISO image. So, I seem to have gotten past the boot/install process and now successfully have 2 OpenBSD VMs running under QEMU on my Mac Are you running PPC or x86 OpenBSD? PowerBook. My next hurdle is getting the tun/tap stuff running, which seems to be giving quite a few people a lot of trouble. Apparently Apple horked the networking code in Tiger such that the tun/tap driver which (reportedly) used to work find under Panther no longer does so. I may be able to do what I want without the tun/tap networking, but it sure would be more fun with it :) I've been trying to play with it under Solaris 10 x86 and haven't done the tun/tap stuff yet. I was able to get XP to run updates though. VMware seems to be faster, but I'm not running the kemu module. VMware isn't an option for you on PPC nor me on Solaris. kemu is available for Solaris x86, but not PPC. I'm not sure about MacOSX x86. So, I can now try out all sorts of distros on my Mac :) If y'all haven't played with QEMU, it's a slick little VM. It's free, runs *really* well under Linux, and is useful for all sorts of things. QEMU has a nice tool that will convert VMware images to/from QEMU so you can should be able to grab the prebuilt VMware appliances to use with QEMU. VMware has a (free beer) p2v application that will convert a Windows setup to a VM. Turn your dual boot system into a linux system with a VM for windows running under QEMU or VMplayer. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Making Progress with x86 emulator for PPC Mac OS X
Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you running PPC or x86 OpenBSD? x86. I've been trying to play with it under Solaris 10 x86 and haven't done the tun/tap stuff yet. I was able to get XP to run updates though. QEMU's user-based networking will just work with respect to using the host OS's network as an internet connection, but you can't actually do any real networking stuff with the guest. QEMU essentially has a built in firewall/router than NATs the packets . With the tun/tap stuff you can have the guest OS create a bridge on one of it's physical NICs and have your guest OS use normal IP address to appear to other systems on your LAN as just another system. I have this up and running under Linux, Mac OS seems more difficult :( With the user-land QEMU networking, you can use the -redir option to redirect specific udp and/or tcp ports, which means I can, if I want, still redirect X or use ssh from the host to the guest. But I can't do things like NFS mount file systems from other systems to the guest, etc. VMware seems to be faster, but I'm not running the kemu module. VMware isn't an option for you on PPC nor me on Solaris. kemu is available for Solaris x86, but not PPC. I'm not sure about MacOSX x86. I'm not using the kemu accelerator either, and as you said, VMWare isn't an option :( QEMU has a nice tool that will convert VMware images to/from QEMU so you can should be able to grab the prebuilt VMware appliances to use with QEMU. That's a possibility, though I'm using this as a means of learning while stuck on the train 2 hours a day, what fun is there in using an appliance? (Hmmm, do they have a beer-dispensing appliance? ;) VMware has a (free beer) ... application Now THAT would be useful! I've been looking for a free beer application for quite a while! ;) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: MonadLUG notes, 8-March-2007: Pitch your distro
Bill McGonigle wrote: Funny thing is I'm doing some work later today on a new project using a Slackware-based distro. (first time in ~12 years) FWIW, I'm wiping my Ubuntu 6.10 this week and putting Slack 11 back on. I'm just too stupid for these modern distributions. :-) --charlie -- Charlie Farinella Appropriate Solutions, Inc. (www.AppropriateSolutions.com) [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: 603.924.6079 fax: 603.924.8668 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Making Progress with x86 emulator for PPC Mac OS X
On 3/20/07, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the tun/tap stuff you can have the guest OS create a bridge on one of it's physical NICs and have your guest OS use normal IP address to appear to other systems on your LAN as just another system. I have this up and running under Linux, Mac OS seems more difficult :( With the user-land QEMU networking, you can use the -redir option to redirect specific udp and/or tcp ports, which means I can, if I want, still redirect X or use ssh from the host to the guest. But I can't do things like NFS mount file systems from other systems to the guest, etc. I was mainly interested in QEMU to run TiVo 2 Go to put videos on my storage area. I figured out how to get Galleon to do it instead; it's native Java too. There are still things QEMU is useful for though. VMware seems to be faster, but I'm not running the kemu module. VMware isn't an option for you on PPC nor me on Solaris. kemu is available for Solaris x86, but not PPC. I'm not sure about MacOSX x86. I'm not using the kemu accelerator either, and as you said, VMWare isn't an option :( I don't think there's a non x86 kemu either. QEMU has a nice tool that will convert VMware images to/from QEMU so you can should be able to grab the prebuilt VMware appliances to use with QEMU. That's a possibility, though I'm using this as a means of learning while stuck on the train 2 hours a day, what fun is there in using an appliance? (Hmmm, do they have a beer-dispensing appliance? ;) Ah, there are tons of prebuilt appliances. Browser appliance. Network Monitoring appliance. iSCSI applience. LAMPs of various configs. Etc. VMware has a (free beer) ... application Now THAT would be useful! I've been looking for a free beer application for quite a while! ;) I was more interested when I was younger :-) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [GNHLUG] Re: Hosstraders Dead, but NEARFest Lives!!
On 3/20/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - It puts most of the burden on the operators, not the perpetrators I'm much more afraid of the legal system than losing $20 From the standpoint of the operators, that doesn't matter. Consider: I = You bring a CRT in P = You pay the deposit O = You bring the CRT out C = You get caught with an unregistered CRT I P O C Result -- F - - - They incur no costs T T T - They pay no disposal fee T T F - Deposit covers disposal fee T F T - They incur no costs T F T T They incur no costs T F T F They incur the same costs -- The only case where they incur significant costs is for when someone dumps illegally without getting caught, a problem they face anyway, and (as mentioned previously) is a lot easier to do if you're not on a public fairground you paid $20 to get admission to, but on some back road (for free). I suppose there is another consideration, in that a lot of people aren't very logical, and might go to the trouble of smuggling in something to dump just for spite. The only other potential drawback I can think of (aside from the near neighborhood dumping issue mentioned in my message to Bill Sconce) is if the deposit policy lowers attendance to a point where the lost revenue exceeds the disposal costs they would otherwise incur. The likelihood of that, I have insufficient information to even speculate on. I'd also be very worried about scamming. I could bring in 5 CRT's under the pile of crap and/or under a blanket, and head out with $100. See my message to Bill Sconce with regards to accounting. This is easily solved. - Some CRTs may not have a make and unit ID (this *is* a hamfest) I've never seen such units, but it's possible ... I guess you've never been to Hosstraders, then. CRT != Consumer electronics TV or computer monitor. - The operators now *have* to comb the trash to find dumped CRTs They'll still have to do that, otherwise they wouldn't need the $20. Ehhh... you're probably right. I'll give you this one. - If the perps are never caught, the operators are stuck with the cost For illegal dumping this is likely to be true, for units that are registered, identity is established a-priori, so they don't need to be caught, just served notice. Are you familiar with the nature of the justice system in this country at all? :) Again, if you can afford to a haul a CRT to Deerfield for a hamfest, you can afford a $20 deposit for two days. I could probably bring 5 complete working systems to said hamfest, loaded with linux, ready for anybody to take home for $30 (or $50 - $20 at the door) ... Or the same without CRTs for sale. Not quite as neat a package, of course. ... I'm arguing academically ... Is there another kind? ;-) Well, there's just contradiction, I suppose... It's a fair point. If I were the organizers I'd raise the ticket price $2 and assume people will be dumping. I suspect raising the admission price might be the best option. There are a couple of complications, though: (1) Some localities or venues may not like the idea of being a toxic waste transfer point, by design or in practice. This CRT ban may well be driven by such. (2) Combine a little toxic waste with a lot of non-toxic waste, and you get a lot of toxic waste. Disposal costs may be more than one might expect. The addition of a designated waste disposal point to expedite those who would otherwise dump in the regular trash may help #2 but conflict with #1. -- One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me -- Rush, Far Cry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: MonadLUG notes, 8-March-2007: Pitch your distro
On 03/20/2007 11:43 AM, Ben Scott wrote: On 3/20/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By time my friend, Jim Hart, convinced me to try Linux, Slackware was out (with an IP stack!), so I'm not really sure what Yggdrasil supported, myself. Yggdrasil was last released circa 1995. It did work. I didn't use it much myself, so I don't recall much more than that. I'm pretty it had an IP stack. I started using Linux in the summer of '92 (get off my lawn!), so it was even pre-distro. IIRC, there has always been an IP stack of some sort, since I had a Western Digital *mumble* ISA Ethernet controller that I could use to network with one of my roommates. PPP (or was it SLIP?) was working then as well. -Mark ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: MonadLUG notes, 8-March-2007: Pitch your distro
On 3/20/07, Mark Komarinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started using Linux in the summer of '92 (get off my lawn!), so it was even pre-distro. IIRC, there has always been an IP stack of some sort, since I had a Western Digital *mumble* ISA Ethernet controller that I could use to network with one of my roommates. PPP (or was it SLIP?) was working then as well. Thinking that that was about when I started using linux with SLS, I decided to check you facts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softlanding_Linux_System Looks like SLS came out in the summer of '92 and it was shiny new when I first tried it. ...I even managed to toast a monitor while trying to get X running. :-) SLS sucked. Slackware was the first distro that actually worked well. However, tar is not a package management system. I went from Slackware to Caldera (yikes!), to Red Hat, to Suse and now I've recently started using Ubuntu. Cheers! Ty ...oh crap! I replied to a message that came from a list, but when I was about to click send I see that my reply doesn't go back to where the message came from. Now off to edit the To: field before I can click send. -- Tyson D Sawyer A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. - Daniel Webster ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: MonadLUG notes, 8-March-2007: Pitch your distro
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:22:25PM -0400, Tyson Sawyer wrote: ...oh crap! I replied to a message that came from a list, but when I was about to click send I see that my reply doesn't go back to where the message came from. Now off to edit the To: field before I can click send. That is a problem... with your mail reader. If it bothers you, I recommend switching to a mail reader that doesn't have that problem, rather than complaining. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP KeyID 0x57C3430B Holder of Past Knowledge CS, O- Touch passion when it comes your way Stephen. It's rare enough as it is, don't run away when it calls you by name. Marcus Cole ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: MonadLUG notes, 8-March-2007: Pitch your distro
mike ledoux writes: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:22:25PM -0400, Tyson Sawyer wrote: ...oh crap! ... That is a problem... with your mail reader. If it bothers you, I recommend switching to a mail reader that doesn't have that problem, rather than complaining. Then I'd have other things to complain about. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: MonadLUG notes, 8-March-2007: Pitch your distro
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 03:02:40PM -0500, Bill Freeman wrote: mike ledoux writes: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:22:25PM -0400, Tyson Sawyer wrote: ...oh crap! ... That is a problem... with your mail reader. If it bothers you, I recommend switching to a mail reader that doesn't have that problem, rather than complaining. Then I'd have other things to complain about. Sure, but finding new things to complain about is at least half of the fun! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP KeyID 0x57C3430B Holder of Past Knowledge CS, O- Nothing says 'This is serious' like a corpse on the floor. Michelle Wincek ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: MonadLUG notes, 8-March-2007: Pitch your distro
mike ledoux writes: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 03:02:40PM -0500, Bill Freeman wrote: mike ledoux writes: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:22:25PM -0400, Tyson Sawyer wrote: ...oh crap! ... That is a problem... with your mail reader. If it bothers you, I recommend switching to a mail reader that doesn't have that problem, rather than complaining. Then I'd have other things to complain about. Sure, but finding new things to complain about is at least half of the fun! Oh, the vigor of youth! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: MonadLUG notes, 8-March-2007: Pitch your distro
On 3/20/07, mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, but finding new things to complain about is at least half of the fun! Back in my day, we only had three things to complain about, and we liked it that way! -- One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me -- Rush, Far Cry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?
On 3/21/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, world! So, I'm thinking about getting a new handheld computer (AKA PDA), before the one I have now finishes crumbling into dust. (For purposes of this discussion, let's assume my handheld and my mobile phone will be two different devices.) I'd like to hear people's opinions and experiences on brands, models, etc. I've been a Palm user since forever. I used to be a big fan of Palm. But the limitations of the Palm OS are getting rather old, development has stagnated, and Palm Inc has decided to go swimming with a ball-and-chain named Windows Mobile. So I'm thinking it may be time to get off this ship. I'm especially interested in the Sharp Zaurus. I understand that, while it's nominally not sold in the US, it's pretty easy to find vendors importing it, and that the manufacturer support picture is pretty good (for the immediate future, anyway). One thing I want from a handheld is that it has to be a good PIM first -- good calendar, contact, task list, and notepad functionality. Not Emacs, but something easily usable with one hand while I've got my head stuck inside a computer cabinet. This is one thing the Palm always did *very* well. What about the Zaurus? My handwriting sucks. I've managed to train myself to Graffiti, but that's about it. If all the Zauruses... Zauri... Zaurus models have built-in keyboards, I guess that's moot. Right? The Zaurus runs Linux, which is uber-cool, especially for more sophisticated things. Can anyone comment on how Linux software translates to the Zaurus platform? Is it just a recompile, or is it mostly incompatible? Does it use X for graphics, or something else? What about sync'ing with a desktop Linux PC? I ass-ume, since it runs Linux, that basic interoperability is a no-brainer. Is there anything like jpilot for the Zaurus? Any other handhelds people like these days? Comments, suggestions, flames, dopeslaps, etc., welcome. -- One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me -- Rush, Far Cry Check out the Nokia N800 - it's sold in the US, and has an active linux community (supported by Nokia) - http://www.maemo.org. jeff ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?
So, I'm thinking about getting a new handheld computer (AKA PDA), before the one I have now finishes crumbling into dust. (For purposes of this discussion, let's assume my handheld and my mobile phone will be two different devices.) I'd like to hear people's opinions and experiences on brands, models, etc. I've had a zaurus (SL-5500) and currently have a Treo (650). I would seriously consider combining the two devices. I find it very helpful. I'm especially interested in the Sharp Zaurus. I understand that, while it's nominally not sold in the US, it's pretty easy to find vendors importing it, and that the manufacturer support picture is pretty good (for the immediate future, anyway). For what you get it's probably going to be costly compared to other alternatives in the market. If anything just for the extra cost of importing the device and probably re-installing it with a more US Centric version of the OS. One thing I want from a handheld is that it has to be a good PIM first -- good calendar, contact, task list, and notepad functionality. Not Emacs, but something easily usable with one hand while I've got my head stuck inside a computer cabinet. This is one thing the Palm always did *very* well. What about the Zaurus? The sliding keyboard I had on mine was neat, but not really easy to use. I find the keyboard on my Treo easier to type on with one hand. This was mostly due to the fact that it was hard to handle with the keyboard exposed and making it awkwardly long. I found the actual PIM software to be lacking quite a bit. My handwriting sucks. I've managed to train myself to Graffiti, but that's about it. If all the Zauruses... Zauri... Zaurus models have built-in keyboards, I guess that's moot. Right? There is software for the Zaurus to let you write on it just like a palm, so you have a choice there. But if you get a Palm device with a keyboard you also get this. The Zaurus runs Linux, which is uber-cool, especially for more sophisticated things. Can anyone comment on how Linux software translates to the Zaurus platform? Is it just a recompile, or is it mostly incompatible? Does it use X for graphics, or something else? You can get X for the Zaurus, but its not very usable. Most use OPIE and Qtopia for the graphical interface. They are both Palm like in look and feel. I had a bunch of normal linux software, but nothing crazy. The coolest thing I ran was probably ScummVM, that worked great with the touch screen. But I ran Konqurer for a web browser, AIM for IM (I had a wifi card for it). Another thing I would do is mount my windows box to get my MP3s. Then I'd have a little wireless MP3 player with access to anything on my desktop (virtually unlimited space since I can just keep adding on to the desktop). Also, the stock OS lacked a lot (I felt), but was fairly stable (at least as stable as Palm devices of the time). OpenZaurus was much better for software and usability, but would have crashes way to often. What about sync'ing with a desktop Linux PC? I ass-ume, since it runs Linux, that basic interoperability is a no-brainer. Is there anything like jpilot for the Zaurus? I never got mine to sync to my satisfaction due to the crappy PIM apps that came with it. The calendar was HORRIBLE. Any other handhelds people like these days? In all honesty the Zaurus was a neat toy, more like a mini laptop than a PDA. I would probably rather have an OQO to do what I did with a Zaurus. I like my Treo better, it's much faster, plays video and audio better, and there seems to be more useful PIM apps for it. The only thing I wish it did better is IM, but that's minor, but having Gaim was neat for the Zaurus. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 05:11:00PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: I'm especially interested in the Sharp Zaurus. I understand that, while it's nominally not sold in the US, it's pretty easy to find vendors importing it, and that the manufacturer support picture is pretty good (for the immediate future, anyway). One thing I want from a handheld is that it has to be a good PIM first -- good calendar, contact, task list, and notepad functionality. Not Emacs, but something easily usable with one hand while I've got my head stuck inside a computer cabinet. This is one thing the Palm always did *very* well. What about the Zaurus? I had a Zaurus (SL-5600). The PIM software was almost, but not quite, completely useless. I tried several of the alternate software loads, none of them worked anywhere near as well as the Palm IIIc the Zaurus replaced, certainly not good enough for daily use. Zauruses... Zauri... Zaurus models have built-in keyboards, I guess that's moot. Right? The built-in keyboard on the SL-5600 was crap, I only used it when I had to. The Zaurus runs Linux, which is uber-cool, especially for more sophisticated things. Can anyone comment on how Linux software translates to the Zaurus platform? Is it just a recompile, or is it mostly incompatible? Does it use X for graphics, or something else? Something else, depending on which software load you are using. You can get X working, but it isn't particularly usable. What about sync'ing with a desktop Linux PC? I ass-ume, since it runs Linux, that basic interoperability is a no-brainer. Is there anything like jpilot for the Zaurus? Basic interoperability was pretty much non-existant when I first tried it, the PIM apps for the Zaurus weren't available in any desktop form I could identify. I quickly gave up and just made regular backups to a spare CF card. These days I'm using a cheap Palm, which is working reasonably well for just PIM functions. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP KeyID 0x57C3430B Holder of Past Knowledge CS, O- If you can't beat your computer at chess, try kickboxing. http://bbspot.com/toys/slashtitle/index.html ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Safety Tip: aim caff away from foot before triggering...
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:41:10 -0400 Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A note to save others some difficulties when using caff to sign keys... I spent several hours today looking into Postfix, reading the sources of caff, and searching for HOWTOs. Can anyone give me a pointer as to how to do the job manually? (No Sendmail, no Postfix. Just answering the durned messages.) There must be a HOWTO somewhere. It's one of those jobs which would have been done by now if I hadn't thought I know, I'll use regular expressions(tm)... :) That is, if I'd just started typing instead of thinking I had to use a script. -Bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?
On 3/20/07, Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (For purposes of this discussion, let's assume my handheld and my mobile phone will be two different devices.) I would seriously consider combining the two devices. I find it very helpful. ~sigh~ Yes, yes. That's the way it would be, in an ideal world. But wireless carriers universally see any cell phone, and all the data on it, as *their* property. They don't sell you a phone, they let you use their phone, maybe, for a little while, so long as you keep up on your protection payments. My thoughts on that policy are best not uttered aloud, for fear of waking the elder gods. I also don't want to have to switch PDAs just because I switched wireless carriers. Also, work pays for the cell phone, but not the PDA I want. (I could get a BlackBerry, but I don't relish the idea of being even more reachable for work.) So, anyway, I have a cell phone, which makes phone calls, and I have a handheld computer, which does everything else. Thanks for the rest of the information, though! :-) -- One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me -- Rush, Far Cry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?
On Mar 20, 2007, at 6:30 PM, Ben Scott wrote: ~sigh~ Yes, yes. That's the way it would be, in an ideal world. But wireless carriers universally see any cell phone, and all the data on it, as *their* property. They don't sell you a phone, they let you use their phone, maybe, for a little while, so long as you keep up on your protection payments. My thoughts on that policy are best not uttered aloud, for fear of waking the elder gods. Well, this is just tinfoil hat logic. Before my current Blackberry, I had the same phone as travis, Treo 650. My Treo sits here in the drawer next to me, still 100% functional (other than the fact it can't make a phone call). I can still use it as a PDA, I can still sync with my MBP, and so on. If you get one of those horrible Sidekicks, then yeah, T-Mobile owns/ controls your data. With the Treo, 99% of whats on it never goes over the carriers network. I can pull my pics off the Treo, or email them for free to anyone I like (free because I had the unlimited data plan, with a lesser plan, you can email lesser amounts of stuff for free). Although you don't want to hear it, I too prefer 1 single device. I don't want to walk around with this geek belt of crap on my waist. I've looked a lot at the Zarus models, they suck (IMO). It's nice that they run linux and have the potential for all this uber-cool extended functionality. But all I want/need in a PIM is the basic functions done well and reliably. I like my Blackberry a little better than the Treo, but either option is (IMO) the best choice out there. I also don't want to have to switch PDAs just because I switched wireless carriers. Get something that uses a SIM card. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?
~sigh~ Yes, yes. That's the way it would be, in an ideal world. But wireless carriers universally see any cell phone, and all the data on it, as *their* property. They don't sell you a phone, they let you use their phone, maybe, for a little while, so long as you keep up on your protection payments. My thoughts on that policy are best not uttered aloud, for fear of waking the elder gods. Well, this is just tinfoil hat logic. Before my current Blackberry, I had the same phone as travis, Treo 650. My Treo sits here in the drawer next to me, still 100% functional (other than the fact it can't make a phone call). I can still use it as a PDA, I can still sync with my MBP, and so on. Yah, for a Verizon phone, the Treos are fairly open. The very few locked options (using the treo as a bluetooth modem for example) are very easy to unlock. It's not like their other phones that are totally crippled. Although you don't want to hear it, I too prefer 1 single device. I don't want to walk around with this geek belt of crap on my waist. Ditto, I don't need to pretend I'm batman with his utility belt, or something adding weight to my belt and pull down my pants (thus eliminating the whole reason for having a belt) I've looked a lot at the Zarus models, they suck (IMO). It's nice that they run linux and have the potential for all this uber-cool extended functionality. But all I want/need in a PIM is the basic functions done well and reliably. I like my Blackberry a little better than the Treo, but either option is (IMO) the best choice out there. I also don't want to have to switch PDAs just because I switched wireless carriers. Get something that uses a SIM card. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?
On Mar 20, 2007, at 8:44 PM, Ben Scott wrote: I object to the whole attitude wireless carriers have. So do I, but in the end I have bigger things to worry about. Besides, as soon as Google rolls out their nationwide Wifi, and accompanying phone it won't be such an issue anymore. Anyway, you don't want a phone/PDA (although I still think you do, if for no reason other than internet everywhere is VERY handy), so it's kind of a useless argument. Given what you've expressed here, I don't think there is a good choice for you, but a newer Palm would probably be closest to what you want/need. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?
On 3/20/07, brk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I object to the whole attitude wireless carriers have. So do I, but in the end I have bigger things to worry about. From what I can tell, most people have that attitude. Which, of course, is what lets so many companies get away with such lousy behavior. Note well that I'm not condemning you personally for this. It is definitely the majority mindset. Besides, as soon as Google rolls out their nationwide Wifi, and accompanying phone it won't be such an issue anymore. If Google (or anyone else) decides to start offering wireless service that treats customers as customers, I will be right there in line to sign-up. Anyway, you don't want a phone/PDA (although I still think you do, if for no reason other than internet everywhere is VERY handy) ... Like I keep saying, I do want a converged device. I just want other things more. ... so it's kind of a useless argument. I seem to attract/instigate such. -- One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me -- Rush, Far Cry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Packrat or Archivist? [ was Adventures in GPG ]
Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It'll be a sad day when CDs no longer have a device to play in. I consolidated lots of old floppy media to a few CDs. I have hundreds of CDs now. Something tells me there's someone out there who has consolidated a bunch of: - paper tape to punch cards - punch cards to 9-track tape - 9-track tapes to 8 floppies - 8 floppies to 5.25 floppies - 5.25 floppies to 3.5 floppies - 3.5 floppies to a CD - CDs to DVD And they'll probably consolidate all there DVDs someday to something else. Somewhere, someone has ENIAC or UNIVAC source code that's passed through all these media :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: [GNHLUG] Re: Hosstraders Dead, but NEARFest Lives!!
Bruce Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obligatory-Linux-insertion Of course, we could write some software that runs on Linux that drives robots to disassemble computers/monitors/other hazardous waste, but why bother (hint, prod). /Obligatory-Linux-insertion Of course, we'd have to be sure we weren't violating their rights: http://www.gizmonews.com/?p=1954 And, of course, they'd probably want to unionize, and I doubt they'd want to work at places like WalMart or McDonalds either ;) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F853 E808 BB07 9239 53F1 28EE A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Packrat or Archivist? [ was Adventures in GPG ]
- paper tape to punch cards - punch cards to 9-track tape - 9-track tapes to 8 floppies - 8 floppies to 5.25 floppies - 5.25 floppies to 3.5 floppies - 3.5 floppies to a CD - CDs to DVD And they'll probably consolidate all there DVDs someday to something else. Somewhere, someone has ENIAC or UNIVAC source code that's passed through all these media :) Well, you left out those strange half-size cards that IBM had, and you left out seven-track tape, and you did not specify your tape density for the 9-track (800, 1600, 9600, etc.) You also did not state if your floppies were soft-sectored or hard-sectored, what density they were. You left out 1/4 QIC tape, 8mm tape, 4mm tape, TK50 tapes And finally, are your DVDs +/- or RAM, double layered or not. md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Packrat or Archivist? [ was Adventures in GPG ]
Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: - paper tape to punch cards - punch cards to 9-track tape - 9-track tapes to 8 floppies - 8 floppies to 5.25 floppies - 5.25 floppies to 3.5 floppies - 3.5 floppies to a CD - CDs to DVD And they'll probably consolidate all there DVDs someday to something else. Somewhere, someone has ENIAC or UNIVAC source code that's passed through all these media :) Well, you left out those strange half-size cards that IBM had, I have boxes full of these still. (Well, I think I have boxes of these. The mice may have nice homes instead. :-) and you left out seven-track tape, and you did not specify your tape density for the 9-track (800, 1600, 9600, etc.) You also did not state if your floppies were soft-sectored or hard-sectored, what density they were. Don't forget single or double-sided. Or rim or center hard-sector holes. (Vydec was one of the few rim-sectored, if I recollect.) You left out 1/4 QIC tape, 8mm tape, 4mm tape, TK50 tapes And WORM laser discs too. Plus Syquest, Zip, Jaz removable disks. And finally, are your DVDs +/- or RAM, double layered or not. md -- Dan Jenkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Rastech Inc., Bedford, NH, USA --- 1-603-206-9951 *** Technical Support Excellence for over a Quarter Century ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
