Re: Update (K)Ubuntu 8.04 to 8.10
Hi, I have a friend who works on KDE a lot. I had a chat with him last night about some of the issues that have been mentioned here, and I am going to write about our conversation in my LinuxProMagazine blog. But since Greg has found out some things, and made the comment about Gee it would be nice for some documentation or some videos, my friend said in our conversation that there are 300 videos on YouTube about KDE, but they are short and fragmented. I am trying to convince him to do an over-all video as an introduction, since that seems to be the way that most people learn these days (and to be fair, it is easier to show in a video than to write about left mouse-push swish). Stay tuned. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
[GNHLUG] PySIG for November -- yes indeed, altho moved to Tuesday (the 23rd)
Hi, all - I stopped by the ABI, and we're in luck for moving our 4th Thursday to 4th Tuesday this month to get away from Thanksgiving. So, PySIG is ON, Tuesday the 23rd, 7:00PM at the Amoskeag Business Incubator, 33 South Commercial Street, Manchester. Agenda to follow. If we have one.(*) File formats and data interchange? A workshop? -Bill (*) Well we do have: get ready for the big T day, get the resistance built up... seems to call for cookies, heh. ___ gnhlug-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-announce/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu
Lloyd Kvam wrote: My daughter's laptop has a failing disk drive. I've backed up her data. The laptop is old enough that we want to replace it. I'm looking for suggestions as to where I can get a reasonable laptop with Ubuntu or simply bare. I can handle the Ubuntu installation. I have heard good things about http://www.system76.com/ -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 20:24 -0500, Nikkiana H. wrote: Actually, Dell does sell them on the web, you just have to go to the right second on the website to find it. (In the Laptops Mini dropdown nav, it's under Open Source PCs). If you try to go through the selector thing on the main page, the only thing that shows up with Ubuntu is the Mini. But to directly link to their Ubuntu section: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=uscs=19l=ens=dhs Thanks. I bought both the Studio 15 and the Mini recently and am pretty happy with them. -- nikkiana http://www.knitgeeklife.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- Lloyd Kvam Venix Corp DLSLUG/GNHLUG library http://dlslug.org/library.html http://www.librarything.com/catalog/dlslug http://www.librarything.com/rsshtml/recent/dlslug http://www.librarything.com/rss/recent/dlslug ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 08:04 -0500, Ted Roche wrote: Lloyd Kvam wrote: My daughter's laptop has a failing disk drive. I've backed up her data. The laptop is old enough that we want to replace it. I'm looking for suggestions as to where I can get a reasonable laptop with Ubuntu or simply bare. I can handle the Ubuntu installation. I have heard good things about http://www.system76.com/ Thank you all for the advice and help. The Dell site navigation only shows the mini when you pick laptops/ubuntu. I did not see the possibility of picking open source first towards the bottom of the screen. I've ordered a Dell Studio 15. It's her primary computer, so the mini, mobility choices are not good options. The non-mini Walmart choices were all Celerons. She does enough Math work and I've always felt that the Celerons were not worth the performance sacrifice. System76 looked good, but was somewhat pricier. I'm quite willing to go with an unknown brand name, but I know my daughter prefers to stay closer to the main stream. At least we managed to avoid buying an unwanted Windows license. -- Lloyd Kvam Venix Corp DLSLUG/GNHLUG library http://dlslug.org/library.html http://www.librarything.com/catalog/dlslug http://www.librarything.com/rsshtml/recent/dlslug http://www.librarything.com/rss/recent/dlslug ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
YDL (RHAT) etc/sysconfig/desktop
I am trying to get vnc-server running on my Cell Blade which runs YDL. Since the blade has no video, there was no default window manager installed. When I run gvncviewer on my ubuntu box - all I get is twm == yuck. That is one of the worst wm's I have ever encountered. Guess I am spoiled by modern wm's. Tracking down where the wm is set leads me to the file /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients. In Xclients the wm is set by either executing /etc/sysconfig/desktop or setting the variable PREFERRED. Is there anything in /etc/sysconfig/desktop besides the variable PREFERRED? Anyone have a sample listing? I think I know how to set PREFERRED, I was wondering if desktop had any other settings. So is there a cli script to set the desktop? Thanks -Bruce ** Neither the footer nor anything else in this E-mail is intended to or constitutes an brelectronic signature and/or legally binding agreement in the absence of an brexpress statement or Autoliv policy and/or procedure to the contrary.brThis E-mail and any attachments hereto are Autoliv property and may contain legally brprivileged, confidential and/or proprietary information.brThe recipient of this E-mail is prohibited from distributing, copying, forwarding or in any way brdisseminating any material contained within this E-mail without prior written brpermission from the author. If you receive this E-mail in error, please brimmediately notify the author and delete this E-mail. Autoliv disclaims all brresponsibility and liability for the consequences of any person who fails to brabide by the terms herein. br ** ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: YDL (RHAT) etc/sysconfig/desktop
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 10:13 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to get vnc-server running on my Cell Blade which runs YDL. Since the blade has no video, there was no default window manager installed. When I run gvncviewer on my ubuntu box - all I get is twm == yuck. That is one of the worst wm's I have ever encountered. Guess I am spoiled by modern wm's. Tracking down where the wm is set leads me to the file /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients. In Xclients the wm is set by either executing /etc/sysconfig/desktop or setting the variable PREFERRED. Is there anything in /etc/sysconfig/desktop besides the variable PREFERRED? Anyone have a sample listing? I think I know how to set PREFERRED, I was wondering if desktop had any other settings. So is there a cli script to set the desktop? I believe you want 'switchdesk'. ]# yum search switchdesk [...] switchdesk-gui.noarch : A graphical interface for the Desktop Switcher. switchdesk.noarch : A desktop environment switcher for GNOME, KDE and AnotherLevel. The description lies a bit, it supports some other things as well. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: YDL (RHAT) etc/sysconfig/desktop
I think I know how to set PREFERRED, I was wondering if desktop had any other settings. On a standard Red Hat system, the /etc/sysconfig files are part of the initscripts package. The documentation for this packages includes a document about setting for the sysconfig scripts. On a local box, that file is: /usr/share/doc/initscripts-8.45.17.EL/sysconfig.txt Here's what it says for desktop: /etc/sysconfig/desktop: DESKTOP=GNOME|KDE This determines the default desktop for new users. DISPLAYMANAGER=GNOME|KDE|XDM This determines display manager started by /etc/X11/prefdm, independent of the desktop. -Shawn So is there a cli script to set the desktop? Thanks -Bruce ** Neither the footer nor anything else in this E-mail is intended to or constitutes an brelectronic signature and/or legally binding agreement in the absence of an brexpress statement or Autoliv policy and/or procedure to the contrary.brThis E-mail and any attachments hereto are Autoliv property and may contain legally brprivileged, confidential and/or proprietary information.brThe recipient of this E-mail is prohibited from distributing, copying, forwarding or in any way brdisseminating any material contained within this E-mail without prior written brpermission from the author. If you receive this E-mail in error, please brimmediately notify the author and delete this E-mail. Autoliv disclaims all brresponsibility and liability for the consequences of any person who fails to brabide by the terms herein. br ** ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least we managed to avoid buying an unwanted Windows license. The question is, did you avoid paying for it anyway? I've noticed in the past that many PCs being sold without a Windows license cost the same as the ones with. I've wondered if that's Dell pocketing the difference, or whether Microsoft is still getting all (or some) of the money, just not giving us the license. They've been nailed in court for doing so before, so this isn't baseless speculation. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Adding custom tags to RPMs
Does anyone know if it is possible to add user-created custom tags to RPMs when creating them? Thanks. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
RE: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu
http://marc.merlins.org/linux/refundday/ The original Windows Refund Day, February 15, 1999. I'm not sure if I made it into one of those photos - that might be the back of my head at the upper left of the photo of Eric Raymond. -Michael Pelletier. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Scott Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:54 AM To: Greater NH Linux User Group Subject: Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least we managed to avoid buying an unwanted Windows license. The question is, did you avoid paying for it anyway? I've noticed in the past that many PCs being sold without a Windows license cost the same as the ones with. I've wondered if that's Dell pocketing the difference, or whether Microsoft is still getting all (or some) of the money, just not giving us the license. They've been nailed in court for doing so before, so this isn't baseless speculation. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Adding custom tags to RPMs
Does anyone know if it is possible to add user-created custom tags to RPMs when creating them? I don't quite understand what you're asking for but you can cause rpm to generate a list of all possible tags thus: rpm --querytags ...some of which can (I believe) be specified in .spec file directives. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 10:53 -0500, Ben Scott wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least we managed to avoid buying an unwanted Windows license. The question is, did you avoid paying for it anyway? I've noticed in the past that many PCs being sold without a Windows license cost the same as the ones with. I've wondered if that's Dell pocketing the difference, or whether Microsoft is still getting all (or some) of the money, just not giving us the license. In the past, I determined that Dell's Ubuntu systems were slightly less than the Windows equivalent. I did not check this time before placing the purchase. I'll poke around and report back. They've been nailed in court for doing so before, so this isn't baseless speculation. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- Lloyd Kvam Venix Corp DLSLUG/GNHLUG library http://dlslug.org/library.html http://www.librarything.com/catalog/dlslug http://www.librarything.com/rsshtml/recent/dlslug http://www.librarything.com/rss/recent/dlslug ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Adding custom tags to RPMs
Michael ODonnell wrote: Dan Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know if it is possible to add user-created custom tags to RPMs when creating them? I don't quite understand what you're asking for but you can cause rpm to generate a list of all possible tags thus: rpm --querytags ...some of which can (I believe) be specified in .spec file directives. I didn't make it clear. I was asked whether it was possible to extend the list of standard tags in RPM packages someone is building. I don't know exactly what issue they are trying to solve, but a custom tag would help them somehow. I forwarded the question to the folk who would know what was possible best. :-) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Update (K)Ubuntu 8.04 to 8.10
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:18 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a friend who works on KDE a lot. I had a chat with him last night about some of the issues that have been mentioned here, and I am going to write about our conversation in my LinuxProMagazine blog. Thanks maddog. fyi, here's the link to maddog's blog http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/blogs/paw_prints_writings_of_the_maddog But since Greg has found out some things, and made the comment about Gee it would be nice for some documentation or some videos, my friend said in our conversation that there are 300 videos on YouTube about KDE, but they are short and fragmented. I am trying to convince him to do an over-all video as an introduction, since that seems to be the way that most people learn these days (and to be fair, it is easier to show in a video than to write about left mouse-push swish). Sounds great. These days, there is so much information on the Intertubes, it's really helpful when you have some official source pointing to the video of upgrading. -- Greg ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Adding custom tags to RPMs
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 11:07 -0500, Dan Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know if it is possible to add user-created custom tags to RPMs when creating them? Thanks. Like repotags? i.e., build a custom kernel, and install of calling it kernel-2.6.18-123.el5, calling it kernel-2.6.18-123.el5.local? Anything after the 123 in the example above is derived from the %dist tag in RH/Fedora packages, assuming its present in the spec. So most recent packages can be rebuild like so: rpmbuild --rebuild --define 'dist .el5.local' foo.src.rpm. Of course, if that's not the type of tag you're referring to, please expand your explanation of what you're after... :) -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 10:53 -0500, Ben Scott wrote: The question is, did you avoid paying for it anyway? Vista Home Premium appears to add $30 to the cost. The Vista laptop allows for some lower cost options that are not available in the Ubuntu configurations. Once all the hardware got equalized, the Vista quote was higher by $30. -- Lloyd Kvam Venix Corp DLSLUG/GNHLUG library http://dlslug.org/library.html http://www.librarything.com/catalog/dlslug http://www.librarything.com/rsshtml/recent/dlslug http://www.librarything.com/rss/recent/dlslug ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Update (K)Ubuntu 8.04 to 8.10
I will write the article, pass it past my friend for his o.k. on accuracy and some URLs, and when I get it posted I will let you know. md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Adding custom tags to RPMs
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 11:50 -0500, Dan Jenkins wrote: Michael ODonnell wrote: Dan Jenkins wrote: Does anyone know if it is possible to add user-created custom tags to RPMs when creating them? I don't quite understand what you're asking for but you can cause rpm to generate a list of all possible tags thus: rpm --querytags ...some of which can (I believe) be specified in .spec file directives. I didn't make it clear. I was asked whether it was possible to extend the list of standard tags in RPM packages someone is building. I don't know exactly what issue they are trying to solve, but a custom tag would help them somehow. I forwarded the question to the folk who would know what was possible best. :-) Ah. So ignore my prior post. There was some discussion along these lines on the fedora devel mailing list a little while back, and iirc, the answer was that you could really only do this by code changes to rpm itself. Otherwise, rpm won't know to store the info in that tag in the rpm database, apps won't know to look for that tag, etc. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: YDL (RHAT) etc/sysconfig/desktop
You may wish to consider not using a window manager at all. You may be able to do everything you need on an ssh console. Or if you must run something graphical, you may be able to use X11 forwarding over SSH back to your normal desktop. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to get vnc-server running on my Cell Blade which runs YDL. Since the blade has no video, there was no default window manager installed. When I run gvncviewer on my ubuntu box - all I get is twm == yuck. That is one of the worst wm's I have ever encountered. Guess I am spoiled by modern wm's. Tracking down where the wm is set leads me to the file /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients. In Xclients the wm is set by either executing /etc/sysconfig/desktop or setting the variable PREFERRED. Is there anything in /etc/sysconfig/desktop besides the variable PREFERRED? Anyone have a sample listing? I think I know how to set PREFERRED, I was wondering if desktop had any other settings. So is there a cli script to set the desktop? Thanks -Bruce ** Neither the footer nor anything else in this E-mail is intended to or constitutes an brelectronic signature and/or legally binding agreement in the absence of an brexpress statement or Autoliv policy and/or procedure to the contrary.brThis E-mail and any attachments hereto are Autoliv property and may contain legally brprivileged, confidential and/or proprietary information.brThe recipient of this E-mail is prohibited from distributing, copying, forwarding or in any way brdisseminating any material contained within this E-mail without prior written brpermission from the author. If you receive this E-mail in error, please brimmediately notify the author and delete this E-mail. Autoliv disclaims all brresponsibility and liability for the consequences of any person who fails to brabide by the terms herein. br ** ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Adding custom tags to RPMs
Jarod Wilson wrote: Ah. So ignore my prior post. There was some discussion along these lines on the fedora devel mailing list a little while back, and iirc, the answer was that you could really only do this by code changes to rpm itself. Otherwise, rpm won't know to store the info in that tag in the rpm database, apps won't know to look for that tag, etc. That is just what I needed to know. I'll pass it on. Thank you. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: YDL (RHAT) etc/sysconfig/desktop
-"Darrell Michaud" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]From:"DarrellMichaud"[EMAIL PROTECTED]Date:11/14/200801:23PMcc:"GreaterNHLinuxUserGroup"gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.orgSubject:Re:YDL(RHAT)etc/sysconfig/desktopYoumaywishtoconsidernotusingawindowmanageratall.Youmaybeabletodoeverythingyouneedonansshconsole.Orifyoumustrunsomethinggraphical,youmaybeabletouseX11forwardingoverSSHbacktoyournormaldesktop.That is worth pursuing. How does one get X11 forwarding on ssh to work? I saw something written up, but it did look a little scary.I did get vnc to work. Still, it is a little ugly, but at least it is in gnome. Much better than twm! ** Neither the footer nor anything else in this E-mail is intended to or constitutes an electronic signature and/or legally binding agreement in the absence of an express statement or Autoliv policy and/or procedure to the contrary.This E-mail and any attachments hereto are Autoliv property and may contain legally privileged, confidential and/or proprietary information.The recipient of this E-mail is prohibited from distributing, copying, forwarding or in any way disseminating any material contained within this E-mail without prior written permission from the author. If you receive this E-mail in error, please immediately notify the author and delete this E-mail. Autoliv disclaims all responsibility and liability for the consequences of any person who fails to abide by the terms herein. ** ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: YDL (RHAT) etc/sysconfig/desktop
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Re: YDL (RHAT) etc/sysconfig/desktop
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 12:17 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Darrell Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Darrell Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/14/2008 01:23PM cc: Greater NH Linux User Group gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Subject: Re: YDL (RHAT) etc/sysconfig/desktop You may wish to consider not using a window manager at all. You may be able to do everything you need on an ssh console. Or if you must run something graphical, you may be able to use X11 forwarding over SSH back to your normal desktop. That is worth pursuing. How does one get X11 forwarding on ssh to work? I saw something written up, but it did look a little scary. Assuming the YDL box has its config set up to permit it (X11Forwarding yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config), just ssh into the box w/either the -X or -Y flag, and fire up your X11 app from that shell, and the gui will show up on your local machine. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: buying a laptop either bare or with Ubuntu
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 10:53 -0500, Ben Scott wrote: The question is, did you avoid paying for it anyway? Vista Home Premium appears to add $30 to the cost. I've noticed many vendors offering a Windows XP downgrade for an additional fee. I just ordered a Lenovo notebook, and they do that. I don't know what to say about paying not to get something other than it sounds like a mafia racket. /me shakes head. If I were going to actually run Windows, then I'd probably pay extra for the XP option -- visit http://freephile.com today skype/aim/irc/twitter freephile home office 978-225-8302 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
