Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families

[Andrew Pereira]

Nuvem, according to the late Valmiki Faleiro, is a part of the Margao
comunidade village. It was a place of summer retreat for the land owning
families of Margao.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 3:03 PM Rochelle Fernandes <
rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you so much for your suggestions, Selma. All duly noted.
>
> Regards
> Rochelle
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, 14:03 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net <
> goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Rochelle,
>>
>> If I may suggest to you to limit your study to one village, which would
>> allow for better patterns to emerge. A village like Nuvem (my village) for
>> instance is of immense interest because of the myriad of hierarchies,
>> inclusions and exclusions to land ownership. Here you will find the full
>> breadth of migratory settlements. On the one hand the Gaudda populations
>> who are the landless but now settled on Church property. For generations
>> they lived on tracts of land owned by absentee bhatkars, mostly living in
>> Portugal. The land after independence was sold off. On these sale deeds you
>> will find mention of 'curumbin' which refers to the indigenous populations.
>> Some of the land was claimed by mundkars after the mundkari laws came into
>> effect. Some of it was bought by men like my father who prospered in the
>> Gulf. The village further down the road is populated by former bakers, the
>> petty-bourgeoise class who claim to be chardos. Their sons have made their
>> money working on board ships. The concept of the Guankari is not much
>> prevalent in Nuvem, but it is prevalent in say Velsao, just 30 minutes down
>> the road. This in itself needs investigation.
>>
>> Good luck, much to investigate.
>> Selma
>>
>> On Thursday, 11 April 2024 at 12:17:32 BST, Rochelle Fernandes <
>> rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your insights. I'll keep this in mind.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 16:32 William Robert Da Silva 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I found it difficult to begin with land-owning families and then go
>> over to the labour in the field from 1988-1997. There have been many
>> political interventions in land-owning in Goa as far as I have worked
>> on it. I continued this in Kanara in researching the migrant
>> possession of land and their labour. Even that was difficult because
>> the British and Indian governments changed land relations. There is a
>> lot to research here.
>> Willam Robert Da Silva
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 8:42 PM Rochelle Fernandes
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Helga
>> >
>> > Thank you so much for sharing resources. I'm only interested in the
>> landholding families as this will help me make sense of labour relations.
>> >
>> > Thank you for your insights.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Rochelle
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 20:31 Helga do Rosario Gomes <
>> helgadorosa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Rochelle,
>> >> There is also this newer resource by the Indian govt. If you stick in
>> the Form 1 and 14 number then you get the map of the property as a shape
>> file/image etc. I really prefer this one over the earlier one
>> >> https://bhunaksha.goa.gov.in/bhunaksha/
>> >> Are you interested in the land holdings of wealthy families of then?
>> Unless that info is cited anonymously you would find it hard to get
>> information. Land is highly contentious in Goa now because of the
>> astronomical prices and siblings, uncles,aunts and cousins are fighting
>> long battles in court. Many of these battles involve daughters who while
>> eligible don't are often ousted from their share and the courts run at the
>> pace of turtles.
>> >> Best,
>> >> Helga
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 10:23 AM Bedi, Heather 
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear Rochelle and Frederick,
>> >>>
>> >>> It is a great idea to map the land. There is a free online mapping
>> resource you can use:
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>>
>> >>> Heather
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From:  on behalf of Rochelle
>> Fernandes 
>> >>> Reply-To: "goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" <
>> goa-research-net@googlegroups.com>
>> >>> 

Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families

[Rochelle Fernandes]

Thank you so much for your suggestions, Selma. All duly noted.

Regards
Rochelle

On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, 14:03 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net <
goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Dear Rochelle,
>
> If I may suggest to you to limit your study to one village, which would
> allow for better patterns to emerge. A village like Nuvem (my village) for
> instance is of immense interest because of the myriad of hierarchies,
> inclusions and exclusions to land ownership. Here you will find the full
> breadth of migratory settlements. On the one hand the Gaudda populations
> who are the landless but now settled on Church property. For generations
> they lived on tracts of land owned by absentee bhatkars, mostly living in
> Portugal. The land after independence was sold off. On these sale deeds you
> will find mention of 'curumbin' which refers to the indigenous populations.
> Some of the land was claimed by mundkars after the mundkari laws came into
> effect. Some of it was bought by men like my father who prospered in the
> Gulf. The village further down the road is populated by former bakers, the
> petty-bourgeoise class who claim to be chardos. Their sons have made their
> money working on board ships. The concept of the Guankari is not much
> prevalent in Nuvem, but it is prevalent in say Velsao, just 30 minutes down
> the road. This in itself needs investigation.
>
> Good luck, much to investigate.
> Selma
>
> On Thursday, 11 April 2024 at 12:17:32 BST, Rochelle Fernandes <
> rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you for your insights. I'll keep this in mind.
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 16:32 William Robert Da Silva 
> wrote:
>
> I found it difficult to begin with land-owning families and then go
> over to the labour in the field from 1988-1997. There have been many
> political interventions in land-owning in Goa as far as I have worked
> on it. I continued this in Kanara in researching the migrant
> possession of land and their labour. Even that was difficult because
> the British and Indian governments changed land relations. There is a
> lot to research here.
> Willam Robert Da Silva
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 8:42 PM Rochelle Fernandes
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Helga
> >
> > Thank you so much for sharing resources. I'm only interested in the
> landholding families as this will help me make sense of labour relations.
> >
> > Thank you for your insights.
> >
> > Regards
> > Rochelle
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 20:31 Helga do Rosario Gomes <
> helgadorosa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Rochelle,
> >> There is also this newer resource by the Indian govt. If you stick in
> the Form 1 and 14 number then you get the map of the property as a shape
> file/image etc. I really prefer this one over the earlier one
> >> https://bhunaksha.goa.gov.in/bhunaksha/
> >> Are you interested in the land holdings of wealthy families of then?
> Unless that info is cited anonymously you would find it hard to get
> information. Land is highly contentious in Goa now because of the
> astronomical prices and siblings, uncles,aunts and cousins are fighting
> long battles in court. Many of these battles involve daughters who while
> eligible don't are often ousted from their share and the courts run at the
> pace of turtles.
> >> Best,
> >> Helga
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 10:23 AM Bedi, Heather 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear Rochelle and Frederick,
> >>>
> >>> It is a great idea to map the land. There is a free online mapping
> resource you can use:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Heather
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From:  on behalf of Rochelle
> Fernandes 
> >>> Reply-To: "goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" <
> goa-research-net@googlegroups.com>
> >>> Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 9:34 AM
> >>> To: "goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" <
> goa-research-net@googlegroups.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Caution:This email originated from outside of the College. Do not
> click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know
> the content is safe. Report anything suspicious to the HelpDesk.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking at late 1800s and/or early 1900s. I just want to get an
> idea

Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families

['Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net]

 Dear Rochelle,
If I may suggest to you to limit your study to one village, which would allow 
for better patterns to emerge. A village like Nuvem (my village) for instance 
is of immense interest because of the myriad of hierarchies, inclusions and 
exclusions to land ownership. Here you will find the full breadth of migratory 
settlements. On the one hand the Gaudda populations who are the landless but 
now settled on Church property. For generations they lived on tracts of land 
owned by absentee bhatkars, mostly living in Portugal. The land after 
independence was sold off. On these sale deeds you will find mention of 
'curumbin' which refers to the indigenous populations. Some of the land was 
claimed by mundkars after the mundkari laws came into effect. Some of it was 
bought by men like my father who prospered in the Gulf. The village further 
down the road is populated by former bakers, the petty-bourgeoise class who 
claim to be chardos. Their sons have made their money working on board ships. 
The concept of the Guankari is not much prevalent in Nuvem, but it is prevalent 
in say Velsao, just 30 minutes down the road. This in itself needs 
investigation. 
Good luck, much to investigate.Selma
On Thursday, 11 April 2024 at 12:17:32 BST, Rochelle Fernandes 
 wrote:  
 
 Thank you for your insights. I'll keep this in mind. 
On Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 16:32 William Robert Da Silva  wrote:

I found it difficult to begin with land-owning families and then go
over to the labour in the field from 1988-1997. There have been many
political interventions in land-owning in Goa as far as I have worked
on it. I continued this in Kanara in researching the migrant
possession of land and their labour. Even that was difficult because
the British and Indian governments changed land relations. There is a
lot to research here.
Willam Robert Da Silva

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 8:42 PM Rochelle Fernandes
 wrote:
>
> Hi Helga
>
> Thank you so much for sharing resources. I'm only interested in the 
> landholding families as this will help me make sense of labour relations.
>
> Thank you for your insights.
>
> Regards
> Rochelle
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 20:31 Helga do Rosario Gomes  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rochelle,
>> There is also this newer resource by the Indian govt. If you stick in the 
>> Form 1 and 14 number then you get the map of the property as a shape 
>> file/image etc. I really prefer this one over the earlier one
>> https://bhunaksha.goa.gov.in/bhunaksha/
>> Are you interested in the land holdings of wealthy families of then? Unless 
>> that info is cited anonymously you would find it hard to get information. 
>> Land is highly contentious in Goa now because of the astronomical prices and 
>> siblings, uncles,aunts and cousins are fighting long battles in court. Many 
>> of these battles involve daughters who while eligible don't are often ousted 
>> from their share and the courts run at the pace of turtles.
>> Best,
>> Helga
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 10:23 AM Bedi, Heather  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Rochelle and Frederick,
>>>
>>> It is a great idea to map the land. There is a free online mapping resource 
>>> you can use:
>>>
>>> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Heather
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:  on behalf of Rochelle Fernandes 
>>> 
>>> Reply-To: "goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" 
>>> 
>>> Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 9:34 AM
>>> To: "goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Caution:This email originated from outside of the College. Do not click 
>>> links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the 
>>> content is safe. Report anything suspicious to the HelpDesk.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm looking at late 1800s and/or early 1900s. I just want to get an idea of 
>>> the concentration of such families. I then want to map the same.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm writing a social history of Goa for my thesis and this mapping would 
>>> help me make sense of the following chapters that focus on labour.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 14:58 Frederick Noronha  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Landowning patterns seem to change in different parts of the state, 
>>> especially those in which comunidades ceased to exist, or are virtually 
>>> extinct. The connection between politics and landholding in post-1961 Goan 
>>> politics also

Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families

[Rochelle Fernandes]

Thank you for your insights. I'll keep this in mind.

On Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 16:32 William Robert Da Silva 
wrote:

> I found it difficult to begin with land-owning families and then go
> over to the labour in the field from 1988-1997. There have been many
> political interventions in land-owning in Goa as far as I have worked
> on it. I continued this in Kanara in researching the migrant
> possession of land and their labour. Even that was difficult because
> the British and Indian governments changed land relations. There is a
> lot to research here.
> Willam Robert Da Silva
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 8:42 PM Rochelle Fernandes
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Helga
> >
> > Thank you so much for sharing resources. I'm only interested in the
> landholding families as this will help me make sense of labour relations.
> >
> > Thank you for your insights.
> >
> > Regards
> > Rochelle
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 20:31 Helga do Rosario Gomes <
> helgadorosa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Rochelle,
> >> There is also this newer resource by the Indian govt. If you stick in
> the Form 1 and 14 number then you get the map of the property as a shape
> file/image etc. I really prefer this one over the earlier one
> >> https://bhunaksha.goa.gov.in/bhunaksha/
> >> Are you interested in the land holdings of wealthy families of then?
> Unless that info is cited anonymously you would find it hard to get
> information. Land is highly contentious in Goa now because of the
> astronomical prices and siblings, uncles,aunts and cousins are fighting
> long battles in court. Many of these battles involve daughters who while
> eligible don't are often ousted from their share and the courts run at the
> pace of turtles.
> >> Best,
> >> Helga
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 10:23 AM Bedi, Heather 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear Rochelle and Frederick,
> >>>
> >>> It is a great idea to map the land. There is a free online mapping
> resource you can use:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Heather
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From:  on behalf of Rochelle
> Fernandes 
> >>> Reply-To: "goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" <
> goa-research-net@googlegroups.com>
> >>> Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 9:34 AM
> >>> To: "goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" <
> goa-research-net@googlegroups.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Caution:This email originated from outside of the College. Do not
> click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know
> the content is safe. Report anything suspicious to the HelpDesk.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking at late 1800s and/or early 1900s. I just want to get an
> idea of the concentration of such families. I then want to map the same.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm writing a social history of Goa for my thesis and this mapping
> would help me make sense of the following chapters that focus on labour.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 14:58 Frederick Noronha <
> fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Landowning patterns seem to change in different parts of the state,
> especially those in which comunidades ceased to exist, or are virtually
> extinct. The connection between politics and landholding in post-1961 Goan
> politics also doesn't seem to have been adequately studied. Also, I often
> wonder whether some properties of extinguished religious Orders ended up in
> private hands in parts of Goa? Just random thoughts to unanswered questions
> in my mind FN
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 13:54, Rochelle Fernandes <
> rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Catholic Landowning families*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 13:41 Rochelle Fernandes <
> rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Good day
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone have any information on landowning families from Colonial
> Goa?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>

Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families

[William Robert Da Silva]

I found it difficult to begin with land-owning families and then go
over to the labour in the field from 1988-1997. There have been many
political interventions in land-owning in Goa as far as I have worked
on it. I continued this in Kanara in researching the migrant
possession of land and their labour. Even that was difficult because
the British and Indian governments changed land relations. There is a
lot to research here.
Willam Robert Da Silva

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 8:42 PM Rochelle Fernandes
 wrote:
>
> Hi Helga
>
> Thank you so much for sharing resources. I'm only interested in the 
> landholding families as this will help me make sense of labour relations.
>
> Thank you for your insights.
>
> Regards
> Rochelle
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 20:31 Helga do Rosario Gomes  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rochelle,
>> There is also this newer resource by the Indian govt. If you stick in the 
>> Form 1 and 14 number then you get the map of the property as a shape 
>> file/image etc. I really prefer this one over the earlier one
>> https://bhunaksha.goa.gov.in/bhunaksha/
>> Are you interested in the land holdings of wealthy families of then? Unless 
>> that info is cited anonymously you would find it hard to get information. 
>> Land is highly contentious in Goa now because of the astronomical prices and 
>> siblings, uncles,aunts and cousins are fighting long battles in court. Many 
>> of these battles involve daughters who while eligible don't are often ousted 
>> from their share and the courts run at the pace of turtles.
>> Best,
>> Helga
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 10:23 AM Bedi, Heather  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Rochelle and Frederick,
>>>
>>> It is a great idea to map the land. There is a free online mapping resource 
>>> you can use:
>>>
>>> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Heather
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:  on behalf of Rochelle Fernandes 
>>> 
>>> Reply-To: "goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" 
>>> 
>>> Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 9:34 AM
>>> To: "goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Caution:This email originated from outside of the College. Do not click 
>>> links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the 
>>> content is safe. Report anything suspicious to the HelpDesk.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm looking at late 1800s and/or early 1900s. I just want to get an idea of 
>>> the concentration of such families. I then want to map the same.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm writing a social history of Goa for my thesis and this mapping would 
>>> help me make sense of the following chapters that focus on labour.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 14:58 Frederick Noronha  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Landowning patterns seem to change in different parts of the state, 
>>> especially those in which comunidades ceased to exist, or are virtually 
>>> extinct. The connection between politics and landholding in post-1961 Goan 
>>> politics also doesn't seem to have been adequately studied. Also, I often 
>>> wonder whether some properties of extinguished religious Orders ended up in 
>>> private hands in parts of Goa? Just random thoughts to unanswered questions 
>>> in my mind FN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 13:54, Rochelle Fernandes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Catholic Landowning families*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 13:41 Rochelle Fernandes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Good day
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any information on landowning families from Colonial Goa?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm looking to conduct a survey where I map the "big families" (whoever 
>>> they may be!) and their estates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please let me know. Any information is highly appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Rochelle Fernandes
>>>
>>> Research scholar
>>>
>>> Dept. of Humanities and Social Sciences
>>>
>>> BITS Pilani KK Birla Goa Campus
>>>
>&g

Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families

[Rochelle Fernandes]

Hi Helga

Thank you so much for sharing resources. I'm only interested in the
landholding families as this will help me make sense of labour relations.

Thank you for your insights.

Regards
Rochelle

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 20:31 Helga do Rosario Gomes 
wrote:

> Hi Rochelle,
> There is also this newer resource by the Indian govt. If you stick in the
> Form 1 and 14 number then you get the map of the property as a shape
> file/image etc. I really prefer this one over the earlier one
> https://bhunaksha.goa.gov.in/bhunaksha/
> Are you interested in the land holdings of wealthy families of then?
> Unless that info is cited anonymously you would find it hard to get
> information. Land is highly contentious in Goa now because of the
> astronomical prices and siblings, uncles,aunts and cousins are fighting
> long battles in court. Many of these battles involve daughters who while
> eligible don't are often ousted from their share and the courts run at the
> pace of turtles.
> Best,
> Helga
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 10:23 AM Bedi, Heather 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Rochelle and Frederick,
>>
>> It is a great idea to map the land. There is a free online mapping
>> resource you can use:
>>
>> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Heather
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: * on behalf of Rochelle
>> Fernandes 
>> *Reply-To: *"goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" <
>> goa-research-net@googlegroups.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 9:34 AM
>> *To: *"goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" <
>> goa-research-net@googlegroups.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families
>>
>>
>>
>> *Caution:*This email originated from outside of the College. *Do not*
>> click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know
>> the content is safe. Report anything suspicious to the HelpDesk.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm looking at late 1800s and/or early 1900s. I just want to get an idea
>> of the concentration of such families. I then want to map the same.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm writing a social history of Goa for my thesis and this mapping would
>> help me make sense of the following chapters that focus on labour.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 14:58 Frederick Noronha <
>> fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Landowning patterns seem to change in different parts of the state,
>> especially those in which comunidades ceased to exist, or are virtually
>> extinct. The connection between politics and landholding in post-1961 Goan
>> politics also doesn't seem to have been adequately studied. Also, I often
>> wonder whether some properties of extinguished religious Orders ended up in
>> private hands in parts of Goa? Just random thoughts to unanswered questions
>> in my mind FN
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 13:54, Rochelle Fernandes <
>> rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Catholic Landowning families*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 13:41 Rochelle Fernandes <
>> rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Good day
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have any information on landowning families from Colonial
>> Goa?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm looking to conduct a survey where I map the "big families" (whoever
>> they may be!) and their estates.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please let me know. Any information is highly appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance!
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Rochelle Fernandes
>>
>> Research scholar
>>
>> Dept. of Humanities and Social Sciences
>>
>> BITS Pilani KK Birla Goa Campus
>>
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Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families

[Helga do Rosario Gomes]

Hi Rochelle,
There is also this newer resource by the Indian govt. If you stick in the
Form 1 and 14 number then you get the map of the property as a shape
file/image etc. I really prefer this one over the earlier one
https://bhunaksha.goa.gov.in/bhunaksha/
Are you interested in the land holdings of wealthy families of then? Unless
that info is cited anonymously you would find it hard to get information.
Land is highly contentious in Goa now because of the astronomical prices
and siblings, uncles,aunts and cousins are fighting long battles in court.
Many of these battles involve daughters who while eligible don't are often
ousted from their share and the courts run at the pace of turtles.
Best,
Helga

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 10:23 AM Bedi, Heather  wrote:

> Dear Rochelle and Frederick,
>
> It is a great idea to map the land. There is a free online mapping
> resource you can use:
>
> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/
>
> Best,
>
> Heather
>
>
>
> *From: * on behalf of Rochelle
> Fernandes 
> *Reply-To: *"goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" <
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> *Subject: *Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families
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> I'm looking at late 1800s and/or early 1900s. I just want to get an idea
> of the concentration of such families. I then want to map the same.
>
>
>
> I'm writing a social history of Goa for my thesis and this mapping would
> help me make sense of the following chapters that focus on labour.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 14:58 Frederick Noronha 
> wrote:
>
> Landowning patterns seem to change in different parts of the state,
> especially those in which comunidades ceased to exist, or are virtually
> extinct. The connection between politics and landholding in post-1961 Goan
> politics also doesn't seem to have been adequately studied. Also, I often
> wonder whether some properties of extinguished religious Orders ended up in
> private hands in parts of Goa? Just random thoughts to unanswered questions
> in my mind FN
>
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 13:54, Rochelle Fernandes <
> rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Catholic Landowning families*
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 13:41 Rochelle Fernandes <
> rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Good day
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any information on landowning families from Colonial Goa?
>
>
>
> I'm looking to conduct a survey where I map the "big families" (whoever
> they may be!) and their estates.
>
>
>
> Please let me know. Any information is highly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Rochelle Fernandes
>
> Research scholar
>
> Dept. of Humanities and Social Sciences
>
> BITS Pilani KK Birla Goa Campus
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Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families

[Rochelle Fernandes]

Thank you so much, Heather.

I'll definitely try it out.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 19:53 Bedi, Heather  wrote:

> Dear Rochelle and Frederick,
>
> It is a great idea to map the land. There is a free online mapping
> resource you can use:
>
> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/
>
> Best,
>
> Heather
>
>
>
> *From: * on behalf of Rochelle
> Fernandes 
> *Reply-To: *"goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" <
> goa-research-net@googlegroups.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 9:34 AM
> *To: *"goa-research-net@googlegroups.com" <
> goa-research-net@googlegroups.com>
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>
>
>
> *Caution:*This email originated from outside of the College. *Do not*
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>
>
> I'm looking at late 1800s and/or early 1900s. I just want to get an idea
> of the concentration of such families. I then want to map the same.
>
>
>
> I'm writing a social history of Goa for my thesis and this mapping would
> help me make sense of the following chapters that focus on labour.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 14:58 Frederick Noronha 
> wrote:
>
> Landowning patterns seem to change in different parts of the state,
> especially those in which comunidades ceased to exist, or are virtually
> extinct. The connection between politics and landholding in post-1961 Goan
> politics also doesn't seem to have been adequately studied. Also, I often
> wonder whether some properties of extinguished religious Orders ended up in
> private hands in parts of Goa? Just random thoughts to unanswered questions
> in my mind FN
>
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 13:54, Rochelle Fernandes <
> rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Catholic Landowning families*
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 13:41 Rochelle Fernandes <
> rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Good day
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any information on landowning families from Colonial Goa?
>
>
>
> I'm looking to conduct a survey where I map the "big families" (whoever
> they may be!) and their estates.
>
>
>
> Please let me know. Any information is highly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Rochelle Fernandes
>
> Research scholar
>
> Dept. of Humanities and Social Sciences
>
> BITS Pilani KK Birla Goa Campus
>
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Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families

[Bedi, Heather]

Dear Rochelle and Frederick,
It is a great idea to map the land. There is a free online mapping resource you 
can use:
https://www.qgis.org/en/site/
Best,
Heather

From:  on behalf of Rochelle Fernandes 

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I'm looking at late 1800s and/or early 1900s. I just want to get an idea of the 
concentration of such families. I then want to map the same.

I'm writing a social history of Goa for my thesis and this mapping would help 
me make sense of the following chapters that focus on labour.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 14:58 Frederick Noronha 
mailto:fredericknoron...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Landowning patterns seem to change in different parts of the state, especially 
those in which comunidades ceased to exist, or are virtually extinct. The 
connection between politics and landholding in post-1961 Goan politics also 
doesn't seem to have been adequately studied. Also, I often wonder whether some 
properties of extinguished religious Orders ended up in private hands in parts 
of Goa? Just random thoughts to unanswered questions in my mind FN

On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 13:54, Rochelle Fernandes 
mailto:rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Catholic Landowning families*


On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 13:41 Rochelle Fernandes 
mailto:rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Good day

Does anyone have any information on landowning families from Colonial Goa?

I'm looking to conduct a survey where I map the "big families" (whoever they 
may be!) and their estates.

Please let me know. Any information is highly appreciated.

Thank you in advance!

Regards
Rochelle Fernandes
Research scholar
Dept. of Humanities and Social Sciences
BITS Pilani KK Birla Goa Campus
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Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families

[Rochelle Fernandes]

I'm looking at late 1800s and/or early 1900s. I just want to get an idea of
the concentration of such families. I then want to map the same.

I'm writing a social history of Goa for my thesis and this mapping would
help me make sense of the following chapters that focus on labour.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 14:58 Frederick Noronha 
wrote:

> Landowning patterns seem to change in different parts of the state,
> especially those in which comunidades ceased to exist, or are virtually
> extinct. The connection between politics and landholding in post-1961 Goan
> politics also doesn't seem to have been adequately studied. Also, I often
> wonder whether some properties of extinguished religious Orders ended up in
> private hands in parts of Goa? Just random thoughts to unanswered questions
> in my mind FN
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 13:54, Rochelle Fernandes <
> rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Catholic Landowning families*
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 13:41 Rochelle Fernandes <
>> rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Good day
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any information on landowning families from Colonial
>>> Goa?
>>>
>>> I'm looking to conduct a survey where I map the "big families" (whoever
>>> they may be!) and their estates.
>>>
>>> Please let me know. Any information is highly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance!
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Rochelle Fernandes
>>> Research scholar
>>> Dept. of Humanities and Social Sciences
>>> BITS Pilani KK Birla Goa Campus
>>>
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Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families

[Frederick Noronha]

Landowning patterns seem to change in different parts of the state,
especially those in which comunidades ceased to exist, or are virtually
extinct. The connection between politics and landholding in post-1961 Goan
politics also doesn't seem to have been adequately studied. Also, I often
wonder whether some properties of extinguished religious Orders ended up in
private hands in parts of Goa? Just random thoughts to unanswered questions
in my mind FN

On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 13:54, Rochelle Fernandes <
rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Catholic Landowning families*
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 13:41 Rochelle Fernandes <
> rochelleannfernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Good day
>>
>> Does anyone have any information on landowning families from Colonial
>> Goa?
>>
>> I'm looking to conduct a survey where I map the "big families" (whoever
>> they may be!) and their estates.
>>
>> Please let me know. Any information is highly appreciated.
>>
>> Thank you in advance!
>>
>> Regards
>> Rochelle Fernandes
>> Research scholar
>> Dept. of Humanities and Social Sciences
>> BITS Pilani KK Birla Goa Campus
>>
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Re: [GRN] Re: Mapping landowning families

['Caetano Mascarenhas' via Goa-Research-Net]

Hi. What is the scope of this study? What are the contours of this proposed 
survey? 
Caetano Mascarenhas

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  On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 1:54 pm, Rochelle 
Fernandes wrote:   Catholic Landowning 
families*


On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 13:41 Rochelle Fernandes 
 wrote:

Good day 
Does anyone have any information on landowning families from Colonial Goa? 
I'm looking to conduct a survey where I map the "big families" (whoever they 
may be!) and their estates. 
Please let me know. Any information is highly appreciated. 
Thank you in advance! 
Regards Rochelle Fernandes Research scholar Dept. of Humanities and Social 
SciencesBITS Pilani KK Birla Goa Campus 


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