[Goanet]Konkani Comedy Film to be released in Kuwait

[gaspers World]

Konkani Comedy Film to be released in Kuwait

Kuwait: Goa's ace comedian Agostinho Themudo will release his fourth Konkani
VCD film 'Kurroikar' in Kuwait on Friday, 24th June 2005. 

Agostinho's performances over the years in Konkani dramas and video films
has acclaimed him one of Konkani stage's top rated natural comedians, and
has bagged him the year's 'Best Comedian' in the prestigious Gulab Awards.

Agostinho's maiden VCD 'Mar taka Soddnaka' was a super-duper hit. His other
VCDs are 'Sorry Pai' and 'Sunday'. He also has 4 audio albums of jokes and
songs to his credit - Interview, Good-for-nothing, Suseg, and Honeymoon and
perhaps Agostinho is one of the few Konkani artistes to feature in over 30
other audios. 

'Kurroikar' features comedians Sally, Selvy, Janet and Crizon. The album is
produced by Manfa Music and directed by Fabian G. Da Costa.

When asked whether the film would be as good a laugh-riot as his first, he
commented, "I try my best to better myself with each production and
performance so I can live up to the expectation of my fans...It's for them
to judge how good it is..." 

Agostinho is in Kuwait to act in Mario de Majorda's 'Chuklelim Pavlam' - a 
drama to be staged at Hawally AC Auditorium on Friday. He will be touring UK 
and Canada next month along with some of Goa's top most artistes.

[Goanet]NYC elects new Committee for the year 2005-06

[gaspers World]

Navelim Youth Centre elects new Committee for the year 2005-06

Kuwait: Agnello A.S. Fernandes was once again unanimously elected President
of Navelim Youth Centre (NYC) at the Annual General Body Meeting of the club
held at 'Village Inn' on 17th June 2005.

Elected as President for the tenth time since inception of the club in 1987,
Agnello highlighted Navelim’s fame in Kuwait and other Gulf countries mostly
due to the various activities undertaken by the club in the social and
sports field, and stressed on the continued need for cooperation and support
from all members. 

Incidentally, it should be noted some members of NYC are also members of
various other Goan social and cultural organizations in Kuwait including
Goan Welfare Society (GWS), Kuwait Konkani Kendr, Konkani Heritage,
Kuwait-Goa Tiatristanchi Sonstha (KGTS) among others. Over the years, NYC
have been instrumental in supporting the Konkani cause, organizing Konkani
dramas, dances, and promoting friendship and unity.

Other members elected in the Executive Committee for the year 2005-06 were:

Vice President - Luis Lopes
Gen. Secretary - Gasper Crasto
Treasurer - Peter Colaco
Asst Treasurer- Duarte Ferrao
Membership Secretary - Thomas Fernandes
Asst. Membership Secretary - Norman Noronha
Sports Secretary - Avelino Dias
Asst Sports Secretary - Sydney Rodrigues
Team Manager - Johny Luis
Asst. Team Manager - Britto Pereira
Team Coach - Manuel Dias
Public Relations Officer - Simon Dias
Social Secretary - Eusebio Fernandes

[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - June 22, 2005!

[domnic fernandes]

“Jitli ek diamant subeij katorta titlich vodik ti porzollta.  Tea passot 
jivitachea koixttancher kednanch xinn korinaka karann teo Devacheo korneo 
tujea bhitorlem boreantlem borem bhair kaddunk.”


(The more a diamond is cut, the more it sparkles.  So never despise life’s 
fiery trials for they are God’s ways of bringing out the best in you.)


Moi-mogan,
Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA

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[Goanet]RE: Happy Father's Day

[Cynthia Fernandes]

Dear Cecil,

Guess they know you well so to fit to be like my  brother. So Cecil you lose 
that chance of a father and a master and therefore yur orders will not suit 
me to do so.

SO wait for your chance

Cynthia.
-


>From: Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Dear Pappa Alfred,
>
>1) How come you and Gabe qualify as fathers and I am relegated to a
>brotherly status?
>2) Given a choice I would rather be Cynthia's headmaster.
>
>Cynthia, write on the board 1000 times,
>"I will not forward hoaxes, however inspirational"
>
>Cheers!
>
>Cecil

Cynthia

[Goanet]alex vaz FIFA referee is from Cuncolim not Ribandar

[armstrong augusto vaz]

Alex vaz FIFA referee is from Cuncolim not ribandar

this is to inform you that in one of the article written by Zena Costa our 
cuncolkar Bhau -the great man of football from our historic village has being 
wrongly credited as being from ribandar.

the great Vaz hails from Nanguillo cuncolim and has his fond memories of 
Cuncolim playing and drinking waters from the twelve bunds of cuncolim.


I wish that you make the point clear through the columns of your news paper 
and we the cuncolkars feel hurt that our own man has been credited as a man 
from Ribandar.

Vaz is married in chorao and is presently staying in Mumbai while on holiday 
in goa he stays in ribandar.

thanks.

bye

[Goanet]Mad cow disease in the U.S.A. asks for British help!

[Gabe Menezes]

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/3229428

Feds skipped key mad cow disease test in 2004 case
USDA changes its protocols after animal initially had been cleared
By DAVID IVANOVICH
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON - Confronted with a possible case of mad cow disease last year, the 
U.S. Agriculture Department failed to perform all of the same rigorous tests 
it had used to confirm an incident of the brain-wasting ailment back in 2003.

Federal regulators skipped a key test last November that is routinely used 
elsewhere by experts who say it is, under certain circumstances, more 
effective for detecting the dread disease.

Relying on a single kind of test to verify the results of an initial 
screening, USDA officials declared the cow - reportedly from Texas - free of 
the disease.

That was a decision they have come to rue.

Seven months later, they had to acknowledge the animal may have been infected 
after all.


Read the rest of the article at:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/3229428

[Goanet]Goa Freedom Fighter Dr Wilfred de Sousa, Dy. Chief

[jerry fernandes]

Hello 

What a hue and cry by the so-called Freedom fighters, and what an issue. Was 
Dr. Wilfred D’souza a freedom fighter? Well according to his interview, he 
took part in the freedom struggle of India, and not of Goa, but still, that 
does make him a freedom fighter, but can he be included as a freedom fighter 
of Goa?

What about the freedom fighters of Goa, are all who get the benefits really 
fought in the freedom struggle? What about the present freedom fighters who 
fought in the language struggle, can’t they too be included as freedom 
fighters, who gave us the language Konkani as our mother tongue, and had it 
included as one of the language in the constitution?

In my opinion, If Dr Wilfred D’souza did take part in the freedom struggle, 
than, I don’t think Dr Dayanand Rao, owes any apology to whosoever, on the 
other hand its our freedom fighters who owe an apology for all noise and 
protests.

Cheers 

Jerry Fernandes


From: "Cip Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:35:39 +0100

Dr de Sousa said “I have never claimed any compensation in the form of
benefits or facilities from the government for being a freedom fighter.”

Why Goa Freedom Fighter Dr Wilfred de Sousa, should not be given the "Goa
Freedom Fighter's pension?"

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I fought for freedom: Willy
Navhind Times Staff Reporter

Panaji, June 18: The Goa Revolution Day function in the city witnessed
vehement protests from the gathering of freedom fighters, today, when the
compere, Dr Dayanand Rao called the Deputy Chief Minister, Dr Wilfred de
Sousa on the stage to honour some of the participants in the Goa’s
liberation movement, by addressing him as a ‘freedom fighter’.

[Goanet]Re: No phone directory...

[armstrong augusto vaz]

lets start the movement

waiting for --
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 Frederick Noronha(FN) wrote :
>It has been years since Goa last got its telephone directory. Can those 
concerned about it join hands to launch a e-campaign to get the next one going 
fast? The loss of productivity due to the lack of a phone-directory is to be 
felt if you wish to understand it. FN

[Goanet]Need scenic pics of goan life n culture

[V Fading]

Hi all,
 
Need ur help.Could u kindly email me pics of goa, and cultural 
happenings?.Pics of flora n fauna , traditional ceremonies, cultural 
festivals, would be more than welcome.
 
Tnx,
 
Viveca
(Malaysia)

[Goanet]Anglo-Indian FOOD and Customs" by Patricia Brown

[Aloysius D'Souza]

Hi Goans Everywhere,

I just discovered this book at Crosswords (Kemp's Corner) published in 1998 
by  Penguin Books India.

Patricia is an Anglo-Indian, daughter of an Indian Army officer, who was 
transported around various military bases in India finally
finishing school at Jesus & Mary Convent, Pune.  She spent most of her summer 
holidays at her Grand-parents, Peters, farm at
Burhanpur. She, with her husband and three sons, migrated to Canada in 1969.

Before starting on the recipes, none of which I have attempted, her 
introduction to the history and way of life of Anglo-Indians is
most interesting and enlightening.

Her description of the Anglo-Indian way of life strikes a familiar cord of 
memory to me as we lived fairly similarly particularly if
you had grown up in Rangoon (Burma), Calcutta, of any of the various railway 
colonies and military camps anywhere in India.  She
describes
so accurately how we celebrated Christmas, New Year and Easter  --  together 
with the religious background associated with these
feasts  --  and also the various celebrations associated with one's life 
stages  --  birth, Christening, First Holy Communion,
Confirmation, Marriage, Holy Orders,  Anointing the Sick and finally Death.

Her recipes include, what we today call INDIAN FOOD  --  tandoori chicken, 
biryani, rasam, aloo bonda, falooda, gulab jamuns,
Maharashtrian curry, moorku(chukli),  lassi, various baggias/ pakoras, raita, 
puran polis, amti, sambar, mulligatawny, etc

Some of what I would consider Goan dishes also feature, e.g. vindaloo, 
sorpotel, prawn balchow, pork assado,  pancakes (ale`-beli),
kul-kuls, Goa fish curry, vegetable foogath, fish moley, chicken shakuti, beef 
buffath, etc

She speaks in the introduction, of her recipes:
"Since my efforts are begged, borrowed and 'nicked'
  If you see yourself in here, by gosh, you were picked."

If you can lay your hands on this book, or better still, 'nick' it  --  I am 
sure you will enjoy the book and, depending on how good
a cook you are, end up with a variety of new dishes to add to your 
repertoire.  I would welcome any feedback from those who try out
the various recipes  --  I will then get my young ladies to  try out that 
recipe.

Cheers

Aloysius

Re: [Goanet]Spreading common sense

[Seb dc]

--- Joe Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Unless of course, if one does not know what to do
>with the spare time and energy, and so one enjoys
>scrutinizing every such story.


I don't know in what context you made the above comment, But it sure does 
for one!




First we cut and paste stupid hoaxes and urban legends to this public forum, 
then we try to defend them, then we try telling everyone how good it is to 
watch your behind.




Are we going in the right direction? Do we have so much of spare time?? Gosh 
don't we have anything better to do???




Santosh, you are doing a courageous effort single handedly, keep it up.



hAVE a nICE dAY
Seb..

Re: [Goanet] Spreading common sense

[Santosh Helekar]

Mario Goveia wrote:
>
>Hey, Samir.  Before you go any further, please check
>out the definition of a chain letter.
>
>Regardless of how fastidious you are about the truth,
>these things have varying consequences, and I think
it >makes sense to get less agitated about a message
that >inspires people or asks them to be careful - for
>example, of needles left in public places, whether
>infected or not – and messages asking to spread
>falsehoods in an endless chain,
>

I think Samir is right about Mario’s AIDS needles
hoax. If you check the strict definition of a chain
letter, Mario’s hoax was indeed a chain letter, which
was "asking (people) to spread falsehoods in an
endless chain". Please see the following link of his
hoax archived on Goanet under the subject: "[Goanet] A
horrific warning to all".

http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2005-March/025841.html

That post has two statements within it that qualifies
it to be a chain letter, in addition to being a hoax.
These statements are:

"Kindly take a couple of minutes to go thru this mail.
If useful may advise others also. Please pass this on
to others."

And

"Just think about saving a life by forwarding this
message. Please, take a few seconds of your time to
pass along."

Cheers,

Santosh

Re: [Goanet]Seb thinks the US invaded Iraq for oil!

[Seb dc]

Mario, I guess you need more bedrest. A never thought! check your post 
below, thats what you said. Even a one liner would have done. I don't need 
to read your long bashan. You can give that to people who follow your 
ideology.


Anyway thanx all the same.

PS: Btw you do good cut and paste work.

**
Earlier: "Mario Goveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote.


Basically, countries do what serves their perceived
interests.  The strong ones have far more options than
the weak ones, who are left to accept the status quo
because there is nothing much they can do about
anything.



- Original Message - 
From: "Mario Goveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Seb thinks the US invaded Iraq for oil!



--- Seb dc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does this mean;  US invaded Iraq for Oil??? Sorry to
say, but thats how it sounds to me !


Mario replies:
Seb, I'm sorry, too, but it sounds the same to many
people who know nothing about world affairs, and about
who needs oil and who doesn't.  These people also seem
to know nothing about what Iraq was like under Saddam,


Iraq is no better now either!!! 

Re: [Goanet]OFF TOPIC: Americans going to Cuba for free education.

[Mervyn Lobo]

dudas @ Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can predict that Mervyn's Castroite response will
> be that any Cuban wanting to leave this little 
> slice of heaven is a criminal or a head case, 
> which is exactly what every communist regime 
> said about their opponents as per Soviet head cases
> like Sharansky and Solzenetzyn.


Folks,
Those of you who are shaking your heads in
bewilderment on the volume and lack of coherence being
spewed from the above address, be assured that you are
the lucky few.

Thanks to the administrators, the multi-personalities
manning the above address are not getting to post all
they want to on Goanet. 

Not only do these dudas want to reply to every email
they see, they also want to predict what the reply to
their reply will be :-) The last time I read of anyone
doing something like that, the person was unaware that
they were taking a treatment of experimental drugs.

Mervyn3.0
BTW, on another net I belong to, someone at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] stated yesterday, that Americans
were stupid. 




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RE: [GOANET]FALSE STATEMENT ABOUT SPAMMER ACCESS TO CC LIST

[Joe Vaz]

Hey Santosh:

You need not to be sentimental about the spammers advice I gave regarding 
your group email address on Goanet.  Simply put -- if I can get hold of 
those group email addresses you published, anybody else could and possibly 
misuse them. Can you say for certain there are no subscribed snoopers on a 
public forum like this one? This is one of the most likely ways that people 
can get hold of group email addresses.


Santosh, please stop attacking people who give good advice, which in your 
case I would say take it or leave it.


Goanet on the other hand was prudent enough to cover up your mistake through 
a system that weeds out all cced e-addresses.  I just wanted to point out to 
Santosh (and others) that ccing on a public forum is not a good idea.  But 
then, Santosh was simply lobbying for support, and I can understand that.


I know you like to apply a sense of logic and science to all other things, 
how did that sense not prevail this time? ;)


Joe Vaz



Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

--- Joe Vaz wrote:


Unfortunately, (albeit unintentionally) you are doing
disservice to your friends by publicly publishing a
group of email addresses, which spammers can readily
get hold of and spam your friends.



Santosh writes:
The above statement is false. I am doing no disservice
to anybody. I am not "publicly publishing a group of
email addresses". Spammers cannot get hold of email
addresses on my cc list, unless these spammers have
specifically subscribed to Goanet.

Joe’s response:
And how do you know that there are NO subscribed spammers who are snooping 
around on this forum?


Santosh writes:
The public archives of Goanet do not show the email
addresses on the cc list.

Joe’s response:
Santosh, you are missing my point again.  The public achieves of Goanet will 
not show the group e-address you published via your email, because Goanet 
was wise enough to cover up mistakes such as yours and discarded your cced 
group of email addresses.  Had it not, your post would have appeared “as is” 
i.e. along with all your group e-address in your email cc line.


Santosh writes:
However, in the present case spammers will get
Access to these addresses through Joe Vaz’s response to
My post because Joe made it a point to specifically
Copy and paste those addresses in his response to my
post, presumably because he wanted to somehow get back
at me.

Joe’s response:
Santosh you are again using a twisted form of logic.  Why can you not see it 
in a positive light? It was to show you (and others who might do the same) 
that group ccing is not prudent, besides you had already published those 
email addresses anyway. So what's your point? You now want to blame me for 
it?


Hope you can appreciate that (although I know you will not admit it anyway).

Joe Vaz

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Re: [Goanet]Horny Arch Bishop Milingo

[Mario Goveia]

Hey, Meow, Meow, where have you been, man?  I'm sorry,
but I have a problem with people who hide behind nom
de plumes, even fanciful and lyrical ones like you
came up with.

Yeah, I remember the guy who went off the reservation
and got himself married, then "came to his senses",
went to confession the next day, dumped the babe, and
his "marriage" was anulled.

He casts out devils, cures people, gives mesmerizing
sermons, but could handle one determined woman, who
mesmerized HIM..  

My impression is that he has asked to be protected
from the woman who mesmerized him, to prevent her from
running away with him again, not because he is black
as you seem to be insinuating.  There are several
black clerics at the Vatican, and one was also on the
short list to become Pope.


--- Milad Meah Meah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi, Goans.
> Here is a topic I would like to know more about.
> There is a Black African Arch Bishop who messmerizes
> people at his mass.
> Casts out devil, cures possessed people.(Ask the
> packed audience daily at 
> his Mass)
> Lives in the atic above the Pope's bedroom.
> Yet kept under observation, and not sent to Africa
> for the last 20 years.
> What are the Vatican affraid of? A Blace African?
> Does any one know more about him? Other than he is
> married and still lives 
> in the atic above the Pope's bedroom.
> Meah.
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Goanet]Exorcist Arch Bishop Milingo

[Joe Lobo]

 Milad Meah meah,
  Strangely  you have not identified this Arch bishop ...have you 
bothered  to send a copy of your e-mail to the Vatican   to receive   their 
side of your  complaint   for  us  to  see ?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]








- Original Message - 
From: "Milad Meah Meah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:36 AM
Subject: [Goanet]Exorcist Arch Bishop Milingo



Hi, Goans.
Here is a topic I would like to know more about.
There is a Black African Arch Bishop who messmerizes people at his mass.
Casts out devil, cures possessed people.(Ask the packed audience daily at 
his Mass)

Lives in the atic above the Pope's bedroom.
Yet kept under observation, and not sent to Africa for the last 20 years.
What are the Vatican affraid of? A Blace African?
Does any one know more about him? Other than he is married and still lives 
in the atic above the Pope's bedroom.

Meah.

Re: [Goanet]What if Zubin's heart is in Goa?

[Mario Goveia]

Rahul,
Your post reminds me of those expat Indians who
complain that they will "never be accepted" in their
country of choice, no matter how long they live there.
 Now, you have turned that illogic on it's head by
claiming that "No, indeed, 'aapro' Zubin would not
qualify as being a Goan, not even if he owned a
sumptuous mansion in Arpora".

Arpora?  Maybe I'm missing something, but I digress.

The last time I visited Goa a few short months ago, I
couldn't help but notice the diversity of those who
consider themselves Goans, no matter where their
ancestors came from in India.  Several speak fluetn
Konkani.  Isn't this part of Gandhiji's dream, that we
are all one.

No, I think we should consider Zubin a Goenkar but
only if he chooses to place his heart there.

--- Rahul Goswami <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> To return to the thread about Humperdinck and the
> Indian claim (no, indeed, 'aapro' Zubin would not
> qualify as being a Goenkar, not even if he owned a
> sumptuous mansion in Arpora). Two names from the
> talkies are what came to mind - Vivian Leigh and
> Merle Oberon. Leigh ('Gone With The Wind' and 'A
> Streetcar Named Desire') was certainly born in
> India, though whether she was Anglo-Indian or
> British Indian is unclear to me. In an earlier
> generation was Oberon. She was Anglo-Indian, claimed
> to be from Tasmania, was said to have a family there
> that was part Chinese, and remained mysterious and
> beautiful to the end.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Goa, India  : +91 9321027684 / +91 832 2417847
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Goanet]Using common sense for Chain letters

[Mario Goveia]

For those who persist in twisting certain low
probability occurrences into false allegations of
fearmongering, the following URL is that of an
Australian provincial government, Victoria, which is
hardly in the business of spreading hoaxes:  It is
titled: Needlestick Injuries
 
http://www.ohsrep.org.au/index.cfm?section=10&Category=63&viewmode=content&contentid=143
 
Scroll down to the section titled: "What are the
health effects of needlestick injuries?" and read what
it says.  Then scroll down to the next section titled:
"Who is at risk?"  This is a list of persons at risk,
and lists regular folk at the bottom of the list,
whereas those most at risk are obviously medical
personnel.

My heartfelt condolences to the family of the Cecilia
mentioned in Gabe's post below.  However, this is a
terrible example which hardly makes the point that
Gabe is trying to make.  What are the chances of
someone being so afraid that she would die of shock
because she thought she had been pricked by an
infected needle that she had read about?  This sad
case is also an example that needles are being left in
public places, and Cecilia was an unwitting victim. 
Whether this particular needle was infected or not we
may never know because the subject unfortunately died,
but I do know that they would have had to verify
whether she had been infected or not, which takes
several months, and  would have been quite traumatic
for such a sensitive person as Cecilia in the
meantime.

--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 21/06/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> ...
> > I remember when I was a  child, I have got
> personally affected by such
> hoaxes
> 
>  
> > regards,
> > Samir Kelekar
> 
> Comment: please read the post; click on the URL
> below:-
>
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2005-March/025974.html
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> 
> Gabe Menezes.
> London, England
> 
> 

[Goanet]RE:Exorcist Arch Bishop Milingo - Dear Raul Miah v ContraMiah

[jose colaco]

From: "Milad Meah Meah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


There is a Black African Arch Bishop who messmerizes people at his mass. 
Casts out devil, cures possessed people.(Ask the packed audience daily at 
his Mass)


Lives in the atic above the Pope's bedroom.

Yet kept under observation, and not sent to Africa for the last 20 years. 
What are the Vatican affraid of? A Blace African?


Does any one know more about him? Other than he is married and still lives 
in the atic above the Pope's bedroom. >



Dear "Raul" Miah,

Do you know the above for a fact as of June 21, 2005?

Or are you joining the "Raul" gang and making things up.

It is true: that Milingo got married to a Maria Sung in a Moonie ceremony in 
NY in 2001.  I see nothing wrong with that.


(Unfortunately) he repented and returned to Rome. Possibly because of 
pressurePossibly because marriage isn't for everyone. Many individuals 
who marry late in life find it incredibly difficult. Only the most patient 
and understanding of older-marrying men make it in marriage.


Most have significant problems - not the least being How to treat a woman as 
a lady.


Now  are you sure that Milingo is still in the Vatican?

or has 'raul" told you this?

If he isn't in the Vatican esp as he is reported to have left for his native 
Zambia in late 2003, what is the point of you posting - besides spouting 
anti-vatican hate?


Are you really a Miah or are you a contra-Miah who also hates the Vatican?

jc

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[Goanet]Of power woes in Goa (long)

[Frederick Noronha (FN)]

http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=news&Story_ID=062010

Power Supply Crisis at Goa University 

by Nandkumar Kamat 

A serious and unprecedented power crisis has gripped Goa University
campus throwing all our routines out of gear. I have lost the count of
telephone calls I have made since Friday afternoon to Bambolim
sub-station from where the Goa university campus is supplied with power.
After spending 24 hours without power I could not take it anymore.

I rang the Power Minister, Mr Digambar Kamat on June 18 and pleaded with
him to restore our power supply. But nothing happened. The power
continued to mock at us when we were working at the laboratory or on the
computers. The people answering my calls from Bambolim began giving
different explanations. Initially after heavy rains on Friday evening
the power supply to university was cut. I thought that the repairs would
be done on emergency basis. But there was no power that night.

On Goa Revolution Day, I was sleepless and very exhausted. I was told
that power would be restored after cutting a tree which had fallen on
the transmission lines. Actually the lines which connect the Bambolim
substation to the university transformer pass over a plateau and there
are no tall trees anywhere. But I had to believe this version. “how long
would it take”, the lady on the other side said- ``may be an hour”.
Three hours passed. When I reached the laboratory the generator power
from university’s sub-station somehow managed to keep our work going on
two phases instead of three for some time. But the regular power supply
had not been restored.

Then I was lucky to get the Power Minister himself on the line. He
promised to give instructions. But at the time of typing the article, on
Sunday afternoon, I have no guarantee that power would not be
interrupted again and again. Since morning I have turned on and then had
to switch off the computer at least eight times. Since Saturday morning
I have been struggling to finish this article to let the people know the
pathetic state of our basic utilities in the fifth year of the 21st
century at a location which is just two kilometers from the Governor’s
residence and within a shouting distance form the state capital. Where
would we complain?

Most of the time the sub-station connection is engaged. There is no will
within the university to aggressively pursue this matter with the power
department as an issue of public importance. This may be my third
article in this column during the past four years on the issue of the
pathetic power crisis in Goa University campus. On Saturday evening
again when I enquired another reason was given by the linesman who came
on the phone. Apologetically he said that the feeder routing power to
Goa University is corroded by sea salts and it is giving them trouble.
He was silent when I asked him whether similar feeders supplying power
to Raj Bhavan and NIO-Dona Paula area are protected from corrosion.

Why the power department fools us by organising pre-monsoon maintenance
shut downs? If the university feeder is corroded then it needs to be
replaced promptly. If overhanging tree branches cause problems then chop
those off. On Sunday morning there was no power. This time the inquiries
revealed that some jumper had malfunctioned. Bad feeders, jumpers,
conductors-what the power department has been doing all these years?.
What are their priorities?

Why the VIP and VVIP areas are well-looked after? Goa University campus
is often an island of darkness at night when the rest of area from
Bambolim to Donapaula is well illuminated. The University has
underground cabling so there are no problems even during the storms for
internal power distribution. Then why single out the Goa university
campus for second class treatment?

The frequent power interruptions have seriously affected the academic,
teaching and research schedules. The damage to the sensitive electrical
and electronic instruments despite using surge suppressers and voltage
stabilizers is incalculable. It has affected all our schedules. No
class, practicals, demonstrations or research experiments can be planned
without uninterrupted and regular, stabilized power supply. Like health
and transport, education and research are also essential commodities.

The university spent the generous amount of Rs 18 lakh for removing the
old, corroded electric poles and replacing these with RCC poles.
However, the external power supply and transmission from Bambolim
sub-station has not improved. The power department despite the support
and backing from the minister himself has not done enough to identify
the problems and improve the power supply to Goa university campus. We
shudder to think about three more months of monsoon. The campus is
surrounded by several mosquito breeding sites. New slums have come up
with migrant labourers. It is just a matter of time when Malaria hits
us.

Lack of power also cuts off our water supply because the electric pumps
do no

[Goanet]Patents... and Goa

[Frederick Noronha (FN)]

Stumbled across the page on patents, while reading up on software
patents. Found some links to Goa:

There are 35 Goa-linked patents mentioned, though some may be false
positives
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=
%2Fnetahtml%
2Fsearch-bool.html&r=0&f=S&l=50&TERM1=Goa&FIELD1=&co1=AND&TERM2=India&FIELD2=&d=ptxt

Sorry about the long URL!

This was one about a 'tide staff system' from
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=5&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=Goa&s2=India&OS=Goa+AND+India&RS=Goa+AND+India

It explains itself: "The present invention relates to a segmented
cylindrical tide staff system [11] for erection at remote areas for
dynamic calibration of electronic tide meters and computer models of
tides..."

The patent inventors are listed as Joseph; Antony (Goa, IN);
Prabhudesai; Shivanand (Goa, IN); Tengali; Suryakant (Goa, IN); Desa;
Ehrlich (Goa, IN); Mehra; Prakash (Goa, IN); Sukerkar; Amol (Goa, IN);
Kumar; Vijay (Goa, IN); Monteiro; Robert (Goa, IN). This patent's
assignee is the  Council of Scientific and Industrial Research (New
Delhi, IN).

Just thought of sharing this piece of info with anyone who might be
interested. FN

RE: [GOANET] GUARDIANS OF TRUTH?

[Joe Vaz]

Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


I cced that email to some people with whom I was discussing the
issue of urban legends, when your post arrived in my
trash box.


Santosh, you don’t cease to amuse me. You say, you read my mail from the 
trash box?  Is this some kind of stand-up comedy? Did your trash-box 
instantly alert you that there was something interesting in it for you? :)


How true: One man’s trash is another man’s treasure!  You certainly proved 
it, by picking up my post (from your trash box) and treasuring it.  Thanks, 
Santosh!


Santosh writes:

You are wrong! I labeled Cynthia's copied and pasted
material as an urban legend, not a chain letter.


Santosh, I hope the following post (also) did not auto-land in your trash 
box:


--- Peter D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
While it's true that this story is quite exaggerated, it hardly falls into 
the typical "scam".


In response, Santosh Helekar wrote:

Peter,

It is not a typical scam. But it is not simply an
exaggeration either. It is an urban legend
containing outright deceptions and blatant falsehoods. Do
you want to excuse people (or encourage them) for
spreading "inspiring" urban legends
and chain emails

through Goanet?


Ok, Santosh you did not label Cynthia’s post as chain LETTER but alluded it 
to be a chain EMAIL?  It is hard to make the system lie – and one cannot 
hide no matter how hard one may try … saying I did NOT say that.  Now, I am 
sure you will come up with some kind of elusive validation that although you 
said chain email…you did not actually label Cynthia’s post as such.


Ok, considering your claim that you said was “copied and pasted”.  Pray tell 
us did you not also copy paste this link: >> 
http://www.snopes.com/glurge/57cents.asp


Santosh, how reliable is your source? Can you in fact prove beyond the 
shadow of doubt that what your source (link) depicted was in essence -- the 
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?  Is your source infallible 
in as much as your theories are?


Did someone point out that Santosh’s source (link) was NOT as credible as it 
was made out to be? Ref: 



And Santosh cannot prove/disprove it either way.

So can we rely on copy paste links to approve or disapprove a story, and be 
so cynical and display a condescending attitude towards the poster?  
Cynthia’s story was nothing but harmless yet inspiring, with a moral to 
share.



Most people on that cc list have thanked me for giving them advance notice
because they subscribe to the digest version of
Goanet, and do not read every post.


Santosh, are you saying your friends are ignoring (not reading) your posts 
from the digest version of Goanet, therefore, you have to pointedly bring it 
to their attention? ;)


I doubt not that the profuse appreciation by your friends was indeed 
reciprocal.  Bet, you also received a standing ovation from the recipients 
of those advance ccs.  Believe, they would have totally missed your post 
from the digest version of Goanet, had you not cced them.   Perhaps, somehow 
your post would have also auto-landed in their trash box, and so it was a 
good thing that you cced them.


After all, I find that this was not all a wasted exercise. Well, I have 
learned something for sure.  I have learned how some netters lobby other 
netters/friends for support and strategize to browbeat anyone who differs 
with what they profess.  No wonder there is something called the popular 
net-vote/support by using the clandestine lobbying technique.  This practice 
is skillfully perfected and successfully employed in politics; why not apply 
it on Goanet?


I was cautioned about this tactic sometime back by a friend.  Now I can see 
why!



Who is the author of the subject email? … I would be happy to
email my post to him/her, if he/she is interested.


You are asking me who the author is? After participating in several episodes 
of the Ram/Sita story, you are asking: who is Ram? :)


The point I was making all along is that there was no cause for undue 
distress or panic in Cynthia’s post i.e. “Acres of Diamonds.”  I don’t think 
I was the only one who saw it that way; there are several other netters who 
advised you that it serves NO purpose. You are indeed making a mountain out 
of a mole hill.


The bottom line is: Lose the story (if you must) but not the lesson!

Now, Santosh perhaps you have better things to do other than picking up 
trash/garbage from trash-boxes and dwelling on it.  I have important things 
to do.  I have made my point; you obviously tried making yours.


Wish you well!

Joe Vaz

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Re: [Goanet]Re: *** Goanet Reader -- Goan society, its future direction...

[rene barreto]

  Bernado ! 

  I have been often reminded that .WINNERS never
Quit and QUITTERS never win ! 

   Where do you stand * ndugu yango * ? 


  We need people like you to MOTIVATE the negatives 
  : - ) 


  I am sure - you - Bernado , will MAKE it HAPPEN ,
and once again celebrate WORLD GOA DAY in Macau ...I
am sure you will. I also know you are so ..   
PROUD to be a Goan ..

   You  have a very positive attitude and you have a
great desire to see the best for our Goan Society
.don't you ? 

   I wait to hear POSITIVELY ...from you. 

   

  rene barreto 
  GOANLINK .

  20th of August 2005 
  is GOAN SOLIDARITY DAY.
  ===
  
  ==
--- Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Habri Yakho, Nuzri Sana Rene?
> 
> Many Goans in Macau are listed on Goanet. But like
> the
> rest of 7000 they will not speak. I did organize 
> Goa
> Day two years ago, now a few question its meaning.
> So
> they will not be a part of it. 
> 
> They praise bharat, but have become very rich with
> the
> hand of the Portuguese. When they go for holidays to
> Bangrachem they flaunt their wealth and speak in da
> Portugez. Very confusing in nit mate?
> 
> B. Colaco
> 
> 
> --- rene barreto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> >   Bernado , 
> > 
> > I read with great interest your many very
> > positive
> > posts on Goanet - Is there anything else you may
> > wish
> > to share with us - on how we Goans can come
> TOGETHER
> > to work for the betterment of Goan Soceity , can
> we
> > get the Goans community  in Macau to be a part of
> > Goanet ?
> > 
> > I am sure - you will do all you can.
> > 
> >rene barreto 
> > 
> > --- Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > 10 years ago the lists and forums were initiated
> > by
> > > Goans. Goans are gullible, 43 years of neo
> > > imperialism
> > > rubbed into them. The education must continue.
> > Even
> > > the king of Goa Suraj never new of the plunder
> > > taking
> > > place in Goa until...
> > > 
> > > B. Colaco
> > > 
> > > > Whether it is single point or multipoint, we
> > both
> > > > seem to have a vested
> > > > interest in Goa's "problem set", right? But
> the
> > > push
> > > > may be coming from
> > > > polar opposite directions! And yet, oddly
> > enough,
> > > > the end result will
> > > > probably be equally infructuous! How about
> > that?!
> > > > Regards.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   
> > >
> >
>
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> > > 
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> > > calling worldwide with voicemail
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> > Yahoo! Mail 
> > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the
> > tour: 
> > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html 
> > 
> > 
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[Goanet]MANY HAPPY RETURNS .

[rene barreto]

Edinburgh Evening News

Tue 21 Jun 2005



A REVELLER jumps from the top of a stone as the sun
rises on today's summer solstice at Stonehenge.

Up to 21,000 people gathered amid beating drums to
witness the event.

Cheers rang out across Salisbury Plain in Wiltshire as
the sun rose over the "heel" stone at 04.58.

A few high wisps of cloud together with a low-lying
mist added to the splendour of dawn on the longest day
of the year.

The all-night festivities at the ancient stone circle
passed off relatively peacefully. 



 from the GOANEWORLD News



   VIVIAN D SOUZA of no fixed address
..celebrates his 67 BIRTHDAY today ! 

 

Vivian D Souza - has contributed a great deal
to the Goan Community in Dar es Salaam and has also
been a great supporter of WORLD GOA DAY from the early
days. 

   Please join me and my family in wishing him all
the best. 



rene barreto
BODMAS - London
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Re: [Goanet]RE:Indigo a new Indian budget Airline?

[Marlon Menezes]

--- Philip Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You are probably right about a bust following the
> boom. In the U.S. (in the
> 80s) and in Europe (in the 90s) airline bubbles have
> been followed by busts.
> Asia may not be very different during this decade.
> 
> It is also true that everybody does complain about
> India's pathetic aviation
> infrastructure. But maybe once Mumbai and Delhi are
> upgraded and the
> Hyderabad and Bangalore airports come on stream --
> all by 2010 at the latest
> if all goes well -- things may begin to look
> different.
-->
Given the huge ramp up in capacity even before 2010, I
suspect the upgrades at these airports may be too
little too late. Besides, much of India lives outside
these metros and I am not too sure if these airports
are being upgraded. I think the bottlenecks that will
result, will cause many of these airlines to crash (no
pun intended) prematurely.

 
> Besides, a big part of the aviation bottleneck in
> India may be due to the
> military which controls 25 airports including Delhi
> where one runway is
> reserved for the Air Force and there are severe air
> space restrictions.
> There seems to be a persistent blindspot in aviation
> circles including the
> media regarding this point. An urgent highlevel
> review and prudent
> implementation may result in huge relief at airports
> in a single stroke!
-->
Well, if one is keeping track of the purchases by the
IAF, one will note that it is on a major purchasing
spree as well. It will be acquiring around 150 Su-31
fighter bombers over the next few years along with an
equal number of medium range fighter jets (either the
Saab , Mirage 2000 or the F-16, not to mention a few
hundred LCAs (if and when that takes off). Hence what
we are witnessing here is a substantial increase in
the IAF's capability, but is that being matched by an
increase in its dedicated airport infrastructure? One
positive note for Goa is the creation of the Navy's
new base at Karwar, but then, the Navy too is on a
major ramp up in its air capability. It remains to be
seen if this new base will make Goa less important to
the navy.
 
> Btw, arent you the guy who was pushing for maglev
> trains in Goa not so long
> ago? Cheers.
Yeah, and I also proposed that Goa spend all its
revenue into creating its own airline and acquire some
of the new ultra long range 777-200LRs', so that I can
fly non-stop from San Francisco to Goa. If that is too
extravagant, I suggest we go for smaller/shorter range
aircraft such as the 737, retrofitted with in air
refueling capability. We can lease the IAF's newly
acquired air fuel tankers that enabled India to send a
squad of its significantly shorter range Jaguars all
the way to Alaska for a joint US-India air exercise
last year. As has implied on goanet, we Goans is
America deserve to be treated like royalty, unlike the
failures who have ended up in Canada, Australia, the
UK .. or even Goa. Home is where the money is, or is
it the reverse, thanks to the global housing bubble in
many parts of the west?
Marlon 

Re: [Goanet]Goanet, Mario Goveia and the USA

[Mario Goveia]

--- Aquino Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mario Goveia has been using this forum to make a
> shameless propaganda of the US and the neo-
> conservative ideas of the Bushites.  Mario Goveia 
> should be reminded that this forum concerns Goa and 
> Goans. He should only refer to the US when some of 
> its actions or issues are related to Goa. There are 
> certainly other places where he can give vent to 
> his ideology.
>
Mario replies:
Hey, Aquino.
We Bushites are conservatives.  So, your allegation
that we are "neo-conservatives" is false. 
> 
BTW, did someone resign and make you a Goanet
moderator?  You seem to be pretty selective with your
observations.  Or do only pro-American posts bother
you?  By the way, feel free to comment on my idealogy
with some facts and opinions of your own.  Or post
something so that we know what is important to you. > 
> 
> 
> 

[Goanet]Re:In America, the crows stick to the garbage

[Peter D'Souza]

Santosh Helekar wrote:

If some liberals like you recovered to being
conservatives than at least some liberals must be
open-minded. Are you now as a conservative open-minded
enough to switch back to being a liberal?

Peter responds: 
Liberals can often be correctly accused of being open-minded. 
It does not necessarily come with the territory, though.

Santosh continues:

How about people who liken a Democratic president to
Stalin? Are they America-haters?

Peter (cont'd):
I don't know the context of your remark. I do know that people 
who loosely liken the actions of a president of a democratic 
country, such as the USA, to those of Hitler and Stalin are
genuinely deluded or motivated by hate.

>popular entertainers who criticize America on foreign
>soil

Santosh (cont'd):

By "criticize America", do you mean criticize the
policies of a Republican administration? Is the
democratic right to dissent confined within the U.S.
borders?

Peter (cont'd):
The issue is not one of rights. The issue is one of taste,
good judgment, choice of audience and purpose.



Santosh asks:

Was capturing Saddam Hussein part of a political
strategy to win the election for the Republican party?
If so, are these people America-lovers?

I don't know if it was part of the strategy. It certainly 
came close to failing. 

>Personally, I disagree with the present administration 
>on many issues, but I love this country dearly. 

Santosh (cont'd):

What are your disagreements?

Concessions to the PLO, soft stance on Saudi Arabia and
North Korea, waiting for the UN to act on Sudan, low pressure
on Mugabe (and, by extension, Mbeki), low pressure on China's
human rights record, steel tariffs (since removed), farming
subsidies, huge spending, no use of line-item veto, 

>There are others who disagree with the present
>administration instinctively, I've identified some of
>them above.

Santosh (cont'd):

I assume that you do not instinctively label as
America-haters those who instinctively disagree with
the present administration.


Peter (cont'd):
That would be a fair assumption.

>Those opposed to a free Iraq were very vocal in
>opposing America and Britain's desire for a regime
>change in Iraq. 
>

Santosh (cont'd):

Are you open-minded enough to consider the possibility
that these people disagreed that military invasion was
the only option? Are you now opposed to a free North
Korea or a free Saudi Arabia?

Peter (cont'd):
It is entirely possible that many liberals believe that
a military invasion was not the only option. What I haven't
seen is the "other option". The repetitive series of
resolutions passed by the UN are testimony to the fact
that most opponents of resolution-by-war are, in fact,
opposed to action of any sort. Perhaps delaying was the
other plan?

Santosh (cont'd):

Are you France-hater? Do you think it is appropriate
to use the word French as a derisive epithet? If so,
why?


A verité est que je n'adore pas la France ou les français.
Regarding use of French as a derisive epithet, there are times
and contexts in which many nouns can be used derisively. A 
simple study of common metaphors will confirm this. In the 
context of the war the French intransigence was less than
commendable.

Peter

Re: [Goanet]Spreading common sense

[Mario Goveia]

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Spreading fear through chain letters (such and such
> a pin was found in a theater and someone got AIDS 
> through it) -- unless these claims are 
> substantiated through evidence --- should not
> just be banned, but those who post such posts should
> be held liable for any damages caused.
> 
Mario replies:
Hey, Samir.  Before you go any further, please check
out the definition of a chain letter.

This is not a plea to accept falsehoods, which must
always be exposed, just a plea to differentiate
between the dangerous ones and those that seek to warn
or inspire.  I think the fear of an infected needle in
a public place is a good thing in this day and age,
and who would you hold liable if someone contracts an
infection from such a possibility, or requires months
of monitoring to verify that they have not been
infected?  Are you going to argue after the fact that
someone told you that the probability of infection was
slim to none? 

I am urging some use of common sense, which has been
shelved during much of this discussion.  Regardless of
how fastidious you are about the truth, these things
have varying consequences, and I think it makes sense
to get less agitated about a message that inspires
people or asks them to be careful - for example, of
needles left in public places, whether infected or not
- and messages asking to spread falsehoods in an
endless chain, and asking people for money.

RE: [GOANET] GUARDIANS OF TRUTH?

[Mario Goveia]

--- Joe Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> “Chain letter: a letter sent to several persons with
> a request that each send copies of the letter to an 
> equal number of persons.”
> -
> 
> Now, please examine Cynthia’s post, and show me how
> it meets the above definition, i.e. where she has 
> requested that each (member) send copies of the 
> letter to “X” number of persons.  She was only
> sharing a well-meaning and inspiring story with a 
> moral.
> 
Mario adds:
Joe,
If you know anything about Santosh you would know that
he is scrupulously honest, to a fault, and does not
consider any mitigating factors in his relentless
search for the truth.  There is no one better on
Goanet in separating fact from fiction.  Appeals based
on the good intentions that Cynthia obviously had are
likely to fall on deaf ears as far as any factual
inaccuracies are considered.

This is why, based on the definition you have supplied
above, I am confident that Santosh will re-consider
his allegation that Cynthia's was a "chain letter" and
will correct the record accordingly.  He has also been
known to apologize when the situation warrants.

Re: [Goanet]Spreading fear through Chain letters

[Gabe Menezes]

On 21/06/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> I remember when I was a  child, I have got personally affected by such 
> hoaxes

 
> regards,
> Samir Kelekar

Comment: please read the post; click on the URL below:-
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2005-March/025974.html


-- 
Cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
London, England

[Goanet]False statement about spammer access to cc list

[Santosh Helekar]

--- Joe Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Unfortunately, (albeit unintentionally) you are doing
>disservice to your friends by publicly publishing a
>group of email addresses, which spammers can readily
>get hold of and spam your friends.
>

The above statement is false. I am doing no disservice
to anybody. I am not "publicly publishing a group of
email addresses". Spammers cannot get hold of email
addresses on my cc list, unless these spammers have
specifically subscribed to Goanet. In the latter case
they can gain access to email addresses of all Goanet
contributors. The reason for this is simple. The
public archives of Goanet do not show the email
addresses on the cc list. Please see the following
links to my archived Goanet post in two different
public archives to verify this fact:

http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2005-June/030152.html

http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=News&list=goanet&info=2005-June/date&post_id=030152

However, in the present case spammers will get access
to these addresses through Joe Vaz’s response to my
post because Joe made it a point to specifically copy
and paste those addresses in his response to my post,
presumably because he wanted to somehow get back at
me. It is Joe who "publicly published a group of email
addresses" from my cc list. Please verify this for
yourself in the following archived versions of Joe’s
post in the same two public Goanet archives:

http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2005-June/030161.html

http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=News&list=goanet&info=2005-June/date&post_id=030161

So if anybody has done disservice to the folks on my
cc list, it is Joe Vaz, himself.

Cheers,

Santosh

RE: [GOANET] GUARDIANS OF TRUTH?

[Santosh Helekar]

--- Joe Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>You labeled Cynthia’s post as “chain letter” –- but
by
>the same token (definition) you don’t realize that
>your post also falls in the chain letter category.
> 

Hey Joe,

You are wrong! I labeled Cynthia's copied and pasted
material as an urban legend, not a chain letter. 

>
>You, however, chose to publish your same post twice
>(once via your ccs to certain individuals and again
>via the system generated (Goanet) post to the same
>individuals.
> 

I posted my email to Goanet only once. I cced that
email to some people with whom I was discussing the
issue of urban legends, when your post arrived in my
trash box. Most of the individuals to whom I cced my
response, subscribe to the digest version of Goanet.
In fact, they thanked me for sending them an advance
copy of my post.

>
>For the sake of brevity, I will not analyze your
>entire post but will depict how the Merriam-Webster
>dictionary defines a Chain Letter:
> 
>“Chain letter: a letter sent to several persons with
> a request that each send copies of the letter to an
>equal number of persons.”
> 

I hope you realize that, according to the above
dictionary meaning, my cced email is not a chain
letter because, as it clearly states, I did NOT
include in my post "a request that each send copies of
the letter to an equal number of persons."

> 
>Now, please examine Cynthia’s post, and show me how
>it meets the above definition, i.e. where she has
>requested that each (member) send copies of 
> the letter to “X” number of persons.
>

As I said above, Cynthia's copied and pasted post was
an urban legend. That is what I called it, not a chain
letter. 

> 
>Just out of curiosity, are you clandestinely
>gathering a group-opinion on posts published on
Goanet >(via your private emails to personal friends) 
> 

No. Why do you ask?

>
>It is interesting to note that you conveniently
>avoided ccing your response to the author of the
>subject email, as advance notice? :)
> 

Who is the author of the subject email? Was that email
of yours copied and pasted material as well? If so,
please send me the email address of the person from
whom you copied it. I would be happy to email my post
to him/her, if he/she is interested.

>
>I like to believe that this was an unintentional slip
>on your part.
> 

No, it was not an unintentional slip. Please don't
believe anything that is not true. Most people on that
cc list have thanked me for giving them advance notice
because they subscribe to the digest version of
Goanet, and do not read every post.

>
>This author is simply against biases and prejudices
>people carry.  I hope you can understand that.
> 

No, I don't understand that. What are the biases and
prejudices in this context. What have you done to
fight biases and prejudices?

Cheers,

Santosh

[Goanet]Will India's UN nominees get Washington's nod?

[carlos6143]

Indo-Asian News Service
Washington, June 20, 2005
There is something in the diplomatic atmospherics in Washington that 
suggests India's aspirations to permanent membership of the UN Security 
Council may get some dramatic endorsement, perhaps from President 
George W Bush himself, during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's first 
official visit next month.
As grand gestures go, nothing could be bigger at this juncture of 
bilateral relations than Washington seconding New Delhi's long and so 
far fruitless quest for a seat on the Security Council.
The rhetoric within the US foreign policy establishment has already 
changed from one of steadfast rejection of any new members to open 
acceptance of at least two new ones.
Under Secretary for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns, in a clear 
departure from his own boss, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's 
assertions to the contrary, spoke of the possibility of two new 
members, including Japan and one from the developing world.
On the day Rice reiterated the US position of not disengaging the 
Security Council reform from the larger question of the UN reform, 
Burns presented a far more flexible approach.
"We are not prepared to have Security Council reform sprint out ahead 
of the other extremely important reforms that have to take place. 
Management reform, secretariat reform, peace building, issues about 
non-proliferation, issues about how we build a democracy fund.
These are core to what the UN is, and we are determined that this is 
going to go forward in a way that draws people's attention and people's 
commitment to those reform measures, too. We simply will not let 
Security Council reform sprint out ahead of other reforms," Rice said 
on the afternoon of June 16.
A few hours before her Burns was offering an approach, quite obviously 
cleared by Rice herself, far more nuanced and inclusive. The criteria 
the US had in mind for new permanent members, he said, were, 
"Certainly, the size of a country's economy is important; the size of 
its population; its military capacity, its potential to contribute 
militarily to United Nations peacekeeping missions; its contributions 
to peacekeeping; its commitment to democracy and human rights; its 
financial contributions to the United Nations system; its record and 
commitment on counter terrorism; its record and commitment on 
non-proliferation; and we have to look, of course, at the geographic 
balance, overall, of how the Security Council is constituted."
That perspective sounded so much like what India's External Affairs 
Minister K Natwar Singh had spoken about during his March visit to 
Washington. Those were precisely the points that Singh had cited as 
qualifying India for a seat.
What has apparently cracked the US resistance is the new draft offered 
by the Group of Four (G-4) - India, Germany, Japan and Brazil - under 
which the veto would be frozen for 15 years for new members.
The biggest inhibiting factor against an expanded Security Council has 
been whether to grant the veto to new members. In varying degrees all 
the current five members, the US, Britain, Russia, France and China 
have been opposed to granting them the veto. The G-4 draft offers a 
possible way out.
Of the four aspirants for the membership, Japan has explicit US 
support, Germany has been almost categorically turned down because that 
would mean too much representation from Europe and Brazil, although 
important, is not in the same league as India in terms of its global 
influence. That leaves India a great opening.
Indian diplomats, including Foreign Secretary Shyam Saran, have 
frequently said the US remains open to India's membership despite its 
posturing to the contrary.
While their contentions have been rejected by a sceptical media as 
being too optimistic, there are chances that behind the scenes the two 
countries are working on a deal.
Against this backdrop it seems plausible that the Bush administration 
is quietly working towards expression of formal support for India's 
permanent membership. Since timing is of the essence, it could well 
choose the occasion of the Indian Prime Minister's visit to make the 
announcement.
A membership of the Council has an emotional content to it as far as 
the people of India are concerned. In that sense many of them believe 
that quite like possessing nuclear weapons a seat on the Council is 
India's sovereign right. Whether both those perspectives are of any 
real consequence is an open question.


Jai Hind!
Carlos

Re: [Goanet] Debunk hoaxes, then use common sense

[Mario Goveia]

I would encourage Santosh and the rest of the hoax
police to debunk every myth that comes across Goanet,
so that we know fact from fiction.

Then I would suggest we use our common sense to see
whether any suggestion that may have been made should
be kept in mind.

There was a good reason why some sage once said,
"Don't throw the baby out with the bath water".

--- Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- Joe Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Unless of course, if one does not know what to do
> >with the spare time and energy, and so one enjoys 
> >scrutinizing every such story.  The point is: Use
> >the lesson in the story, if there is one in it. 
> Why
> >not respect that readers are intelligent enough to
> >draw their own conclusions from a published
> >story?
> > 
> 
> I think the lessons that many reasonable people
> would
> draw from gratuitous posts such as the above, and
> the
> urban legends that it is trying to defend, are the
> following:
> 
> 1. Open public forums are infested with urban
> legends
> and hoaxes, and nobody can do anything to prevent
> them
> from being spread.
> 
> 2. It is important for people to debunk these myths,
> and expose the half-truths and lies contained in
> them.
> 
> 3. There are people in this world, some of whom may
> be
> habitual purveyors of such chain letters, and copied
> and pasted material, themselves, who will
> desperately
> try to act as shills for this material.
> 
> 4. No matter what anybody says, urban legends and
> plagiarized material would continue to be
> disseminated
> by people who do not know what to do with their
> spare
> time and energy.
> 
> 5. No matter how many advocates come out in force to
> justify and defend the spread of chain letters,
> urban
> legends and hoaxes on Goanet, those of us who feel
> duty bound to debunk this garbage would continue to
> do
> our part as well.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Santosh
> 
> 

Re: [Goanet]All urban legends are not harmful

[Mario Goveia]

--- sandeep heble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> By pointing out that your story was false, George
> and Santosh did nothing wrong. Rather, by pointing 
> out that the probability of being infected was low,
> Santosh tried to neutralize the damage that you may
> inadvertently have caused and the alarm/panic that
> you may inadvertently have created. The next time we
> go to the theatres, we will not have a constant fear
> lurking in our minds of being contaminated with
> “Aids-infected needles”.  
> 
Mario replies:
Sandeep, I have no idea what you are talking about. 
The truth is always the truth, whereas the
consequences may vary.  At the risk of setting off
another tirade, all "hoaxes" are not harmful or
dangerous.  Furthermore, YOU may plant your behind
anywhere you wish without looking first, but don't ask
others to do the same.

The archives will show that I did not perpetuate or
defend the original hoax when George pointed irt out. 
In fact I sent George's email to the entire list that
received the original hoax.  Neither did I dispute
Santosh's information that the probability of being
infected by AIDS infected needles left in public
places was "low".  This does not mean the possibility
was "zero" either, as Gabriel and Viviana provided
information that showed that such needles had in fact
been found in public places.

Maybe you are unaware of what transpires after someone
suspects that they have been infected by the HIV
virus, regardless of why they feel this way.  Let me
assure you the terror and time and effort, which can
take several months, is well worth looking where you
sit in a public place.

While George's and Santosh's information put a
perspective on the issue, so did Gabriel's and
Viviana's.  Even if one person can avoid being
inadvertantly pricked and having to go through the
verification process to eliminate the possibility they
were infected, then my warning will still be worth it.

Re: [Goanet] Guardians of truth?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sorry for the exaggeration here I really enjoy most of the posts but we
could do better don't you think? 

Let's all try to be more considerate before hitting the "Post" button
realizing that we are reaching several thousand readers with that
message... starting with me :-O

Kevin Saldanha
Mississauga, Canada

Original Message:
-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>the abysmal ratio of content to fluff on GoaNet which is
>not being helped by chain letters, hoaxes and urban myths.  




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[Goanet]Catholic Shrine Desecrated in India

[Mario Goveia]

Catholic Shrine Desecrated in India

JABALPUR, India, JUNE 14, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Bishop
Gerald Almeida of the Jabalpur Diocese denounced the
"act of cowardly violence" perpetrated against the
Christian community with the desecration of the shrine
of the Infant Jesus. 

Sunday, "around midnight, a bunch of miscreants
entered the shrine of the Infant Jesus, which is
inside the compound of the Holy Trinity Church, and
desecrated it," the prelate said in statements to
AsiaNews.it. 

"Except for a few incidents, the fundamentalists had
spared the area," he explained. 

The group of attackers, mostly young men, threw rotten
eggs and blue-colored water against the shrine,
located in the state of Madhya Pradesh. 

"When the guard saw them, they fled," said the bishop.
So far, no one has been arrested. 

The incident comes at a time when Christians are
increasingly concerned about the sectarian violence
directed at them in states run by the Hindu
fundamentalist Bharatiya Janata Party, such as Madhya
Pradesh, Gujarat, Orissa, Uttar Pradesh and Punjab. 

Bishop Almeida said that his response to this violence
will be chain-fasting throughout the Jabalpur Diocese.


He said: "We shall pray that God may transform the
minds and hearts of these people who are attacking
Christians." 

Re: [Goanet]OFF TOPIC: Americans going to Cuba for free education.

[Mario Goveia]

--- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Folks,
> Cuba is now offering free education to Americans.
> 
> -snip-
> Cuba's sophisticated and public medical system is
> one of the revolution's most notable successes. The
> country has one of the lowest infant-mortality rate
> in the Americas and twice as many physicians per
> capita as the United States, with a long tradition 
> of sending doctors to work in developing countries 
> in Africa and Latin America.
> 
Mario replies:
Mervyn is obviously an afficianado of Cuba, Fidel
Castro and its communist system of government. 
However, the fact remains that thousands of Cubans
each year risk their lives to get out of that
communist utopia, with all it's free health care, low
infant mortality rates and cutting edge medical
technology (according to Mervyn's favorite source of
information, the Toronto Globe & Mail).  Furthermore,
no one from the hemisphere is clamoring to emigrate to
Cuba, including Mervyn.

I can predict that Mervyn's Castroite response will be
that any Cuban wanting to leave this little slice of
heaven is a criminal or a head case, which is exactly
what every communist regime said about their opponents
as per Soviet head cases like Sharansky and
Solzenetzyn.

Re: [Goanet] Guardians of truth?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Santosh,

Thanks for cc.ing me with this message as I have opted for the digest form
of GoaNet messages which makes for cumbersome replying to threads.  The
reason for going with the digest format is exactly the reason we are
discussing this... the abysmal ratio of content to fluff on GoaNet which is
not being helped by chain letters, hoaxes and urban myths.  

The validity of the information and the inspirational messages are a moot
point if they are not, in some way, pertinent to Goa and Goans in general,
without religious implications as GoaNet purports to be a secular forum. 
There are several online services to get daily Christian inspiration via
e-mail for those who need it.

I hope that the GoaNet admin. team takes some steps to limit these
infractions so that I can revert to receiving individual messages without
having to wade through tripe that has not even been checked via snopes.com .

Sincerely,

Kevin Saldanha
Mississauga, Canada
ps. Apologies for the formatting, I'm using mail2web online service  /ks


Original Message:
-
From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]

5. No matter how many advocates come out in force to
justify and defend the spread of chain letters, urban
legends and hoaxes on Goanet, those of us who feel
duty bound to debunk this garbage would continue to do
our part as well.

Cheers,

Santosh




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Re: [Goanet] Frogs, camels and Frenchies

[Mario Goveia]

--- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> dudas,
> Every Frenchman can become President of France.
> Every Frenchman can travel to any country s/he wants
> to. 
> 
> French men have more rights and liberties than their
> US counterparts. No wonder "hard-core Americans"
> don't like the French. 
> 
Mario replies:
Where gibberish is bliss, 'tis folly to say anything.

Re: [Goanet]Seb thinks the US invaded Iraq for oil!

[Mario Goveia]

--- Seb dc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does this mean;  US invaded Iraq for Oil??? Sorry to
> say, but thats how it sounds to me !
>
Mario replies:
Seb, I'm sorry, too, but it sounds the same to many
people who know nothing about world affairs, and about
who needs oil and who doesn't.  These people also seem
to know nothing about what Iraq was like under Saddam,
especially for the Shia and Kurds, or they were
supporters of the Saddam Hussain regime and are sorry
to see him brought to justice.  I don't know where
exactly you fit in, but let's see if you can follow
this.

First of all you should know that some of the largest
economies in the world import all their oil, so a
disruption of mid-East oil would harm Europe, China
and Japan, among others, far more than the US, which
imports only a portion of the oil they use.  Without
the free flow of oil there would be a worldwide
recession, Seb.  I hope you don't want that.

Second of all, I hope you remember as far back as
1991, when Saddam Hussain invaded Kuwait and
threatened Saudi Arabia.  Did you criticize Saddam for
invading Kuwait for oil?  I doubt it.

Anyway, the US led a coalition to remove Saddam from
Kuwait and did this within a few days, operating
mostly from Saudi Arabia.  At that time the US
controlled pretty much all of mid-east oil.  Yet they
left all that beautiful oil and went home.  What did
you say at that time, Seb?  People who say it's all
about oil always conveniently forget to mention 1991.

Finally, it seems like you don't know this either, but
the oil being produced in Iraq today is being sold by
the Iraqis and the money is going to Iraq's Treasury.

So, when you say it sounds to you that the US "invaded
Iraq for oil", what the heck are you talking about?
> 

[Goanet]Absurd Acts - Article

[goasuraj]

Absurd Acts
>A curious case of Laws never coming into force<
By: Fali S. Nariman
Guest Column-The Week (June 5, 2005)


The current session of Parliament has ended with some euphoria and much
back-slapping among India's law-makers: 26 Bills were passed during this
session, a record number. But as the debate in the Upper House recently
revealed, there is more to law-making than the mere passage of Bills through
both Houses. Let me explain.

After a Bill is passed by each of the Houses of Parliament and has received
Presidential assent, it is gazetted - it is then assumed that the law is in
force. Not true. Unless expressly stated to come into force at once, or
within a prescribed period (like the recently enacted Right to Information
Bill, 2005, which provides for it coming into force on the 120th day of its
enactment) it only becomes 'law' in the popular sense from the day when the
government by notification says it does. Till then it is ineffective. This
applies not only to an ordinary law passed by Parliament but even to a law
amending the Constitution.

The Constitution Forty-fourth Amendment Act, 1978, introduced (among other
things) a salutary amendment to Article 22, deliberately providing for only
serving High Court judges to be chairmen of advisory boards to oversee
preventive detention cases (the original Article had provided for retired
judges). The Act received Presidential assent on April 30, 1979, and was
duly gazetted, but his particular provision amending Article 22 was not
brought into force. When a writ petition was filed to direct the Central
government to bring it into force, the Supreme Court of India ruled (in
1982) by majority (3-2) that it did not have the power to compel the
government to do so. There have been seven successive governments in the
last 27 years since 1979 but none of them has chosen to being this provision
into force! It remains as part of enacted Constitutional law but not in
force: a Constitutional anachronism!

My regret is that the Indian Parliament has not chosen to exercise any
control over governments bringing enacted laws into force. Take the most
recent instance - the Prevention of Money-Laundering Act, 2002. It was
passed by both Houses of Parliament in November 2002. The Bill was assented
to by the President and published in the Official Gazette in January 2003.
It extended to the whole of India but the catch was in sub-section (3) of
section (1) which provided that "it shall come into force on such date as
the Central government may, by notification in the Official Gazette,
appoint ." (a provision only intended to give government some time to
prepare for the work entailed in administering the law).

The Central government of the day (the NDA government) chose not to bring
this law into force, either during the entire year 2003 or in the first half
of the year 2004, despite the fact that the law was enacted pursuant to the
political declaration adopted by the Special Session of the UN General
Assembly on June 8-10, 1998, calling upon member-states of the United
Nations to adopt national money-laundering legislation and programmes.

And the present UPA government which has been in office for one year now did
not bring into force the 2002 Act during the latter half of 2004 or during
the first five months of 2005. It was only during the debate on The
Prevention of Money-laundering (Amendment) Bill 2005 in Parliament in May -
an innocuous nuts-and-bolts measure - when the finance minister frankly told
the House that the Act of 2002 had not come into force and that he hoped it
would by the end of June 2005, that we all got to know the bad news.

The Act of 2002 contains some very wholesome provisions - especially for
depriving bribe-takers of their illegal spoils. It provides that whosoever
directly or indirectly attempts to indulge or knowingly assists or is
actually involved in any process or activity connected with the proceeds of
crime and projects it as untainted property shall be guilty of the office of
'money-laundering' The expression "proceeds of crime" is defined to mean any
property derived or obtained, directly or indirectly, by any person as a
result of criminal activity relating to offences under the penal code (such
as murder, culpable homicide, grievous hurt, etc.), or under other laws
including most particularly, under the Prevention of Corruption Act 1988.

The Act of 2002 provides that banking companies are to maintain records of
all transactions, the nature and value of which may be prescribed. It
provides for summons, searches and seizures and for adjudication, and enacts
detailed provisions for confiscation of properties purchased with the
proceeds of crime.

But these fine provisions remain only on paper - the 2002 Act not having
been brought into force no one quite knows what are the proceeds of
money-laundering that have escaped the legislative net. In the course of the
debate in the Rajya Sabha, noted economist Jairam Ramesh pointed ou

[Goanet]Exorcist Arch Bishop Milingo

[Milad Meah Meah]

Hi, Goans.
Here is a topic I would like to know more about.
There is a Black African Arch Bishop who messmerizes people at his mass.
Casts out devil, cures possessed people.(Ask the packed audience daily at 
his Mass)

Lives in the atic above the Pope's bedroom.
Yet kept under observation, and not sent to Africa for the last 20 years.
What are the Vatican affraid of? A Blace African?
Does any one know more about him? Other than he is married and still lives 
in the atic above the Pope's bedroom.

Meah.

Re: [Goanet]Of Humperdinck, 'Indians' and Hollywood

[eric pinto]

Leigh was probably Anglo-Indian, as in let's say,
Anglo-Argentinian - there are 100,000 of them in
Argentina, full blooded Anglos who were born there. 
Oberon was Eurasian: her mother could not pass for
white, so she told her friends she was her maid, the
only way to survive in 1950 America. Married to the
richest man in Mexico, she gave Prince Phillip the
choice of either leaving the airport in her Cadillac
and spending the night with her, or in the
Ambassador's Rolls, as demanded by protocol - and
"spending the night with that prig" !  I read this in
the New Yorker.eric.

--- Rahul Goswami <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> To return to the thread about Humperdinck and the
> Indian claim (no, indeed, 'aapro' Zubin would not
> qualify as being a Goenkar, not even if he owned a
> sumptuous mansion in Arpora). Two names from the
> talkies are what came to mind - Vivian Leigh and
> Merle Oberon. Leigh ('Gone With The Wind' and 'A
> Streetcar Named Desire') was certainly born in
> India, though whether she was Anglo-Indian or
> British Indian is unclear to me. In an earlier
> generation was Oberon. She was Anglo-Indian, claimed
> to be from Tasmania, was said to have a family there
> that was part Chinese, and remained mysterious and
> beautiful to the end.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Goa, India  : +91 9321027684 / +91 832 2417847
> 
> 
> 




 
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[Goanet]Of Humperdinck, 'Indians' and Hollywood

[Rahul Goswami]

To return to the thread about Humperdinck and the Indian claim (no, indeed, 
'aapro' Zubin would not qualify as being a Goenkar, not even if he owned a 
sumptuous mansion in Arpora). Two names from the talkies are what came to mind 
- Vivian Leigh and Merle Oberon. Leigh ('Gone With The Wind' and 'A Streetcar 
Named Desire') was certainly born in India, though whether she was Anglo-Indian 
or British Indian is unclear to me. In an earlier generation was Oberon. She 
was Anglo-Indian, claimed to be from Tasmania, was said to have a family there 
that was part Chinese, and remained mysterious and beautiful to the end.




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[Goanet]URBAN DEV MINISTER - Mr Joaquim Alemao TO VISIT CITIES /TOWNS

[President\(sgpiag\)]

21/06/2005
Mr Joaquim Braz Alemao
Hon'ble Minister for Urban Development
Govt of Goa
Secretariat 
Panaji Goa

Respected Sir,

We,at South Goa Public Interest Action Group  (SGPIAG)
a registered NGO based in Margao,Salcete, South Goa
District ,with jurisdiction, at present, over the
entire South Goa District desire to place before you
the aspirations of the people of Goa on matters
relating to Corporation of the City of Panaji and the
thirteen Municipalities of Goa.

You have exactly 21 months (1st July 2005 to 31st
March, 2006 and 1st April 2006 to March 2007 )to
revamp the entire functioning of the Corporation and
the Municipalities.  

Therefore we suggest a two pronged approach to the
issues:

LEGISLATION : 
 
Sir you are aware that following the Constitution
(Seventy-Fourth Amendment) Act 1992, the role of urban
local bodies have been redefined vis a vis power
function and finances

Following this amendment the Legislature of a State
needs by law to entrust on these bodies such POWER 
and AUTHORITY  as may be necessary to enable them to
function as institution of local self government, and
undertake the task set out in the  Twelfth Schedule. 

a) Urban Planning including town planning. 
b) Regulation of land-use and construction of
buildings. 
c) Planning for economic and social development. 
Roads and bridges. 
d) Water supply for domestic, industrial and
commercial purposes. 
e) Public health, sanitation, conservancy and solid
waste management. 
f) Fire services. 
g) Urban forestry, protection of the environment and
promotion of ecological aspects. 
h) Safeguarding the interests of weaker sections of
society, including the handicapped and mentally
retarded. 
i) Slum improvement and upgradation. 
j) Urban poverty alleviation. 
k) Provision of Urban amenities and facilities such as
parks, gardens, playgrounds. 
l) Promotion of cultural, educational and aesthetic
aspects. 
m) Burials and burial grounds; cremations, cremation
grounds and electric crematoriums. 
n) Cattle pounds; prevention of cruelty to animals. 
o) Vital statistics including registration of births
and deaths. 
p) Public amenities including street lighting, parking
lots, bus stops and public conveniences. 
q) Regulation of slaughter houses and tanneries. 
r) In each district a District Planning Committee
shall be constituted to consolidate the plan prepared
by the urban and rural local bodies
s) assign them specific taxes, duties, tolls and
levies and anthorise them to impose, collect and
appropriate the same. 
t) constitute a Finance Commission which shall review
the financial position of the urban local bodies and
recommend the principles which should govern the
devolution of resources, including grant-in-aid from
the Consolidated Fund of the State of these bodies. 

To, achieve these objectives your Ministry needs to
undertake a review of the items YET to be implemented
and prepare legislations for the same either by
enacting a new  Municipal Law or amend  the existing
Municipalities Act 1968 to conform to conform   to the
Constitution (74th Amendment) Act, 1992 set out above.

This is your pre-dominant job as a law maker and
legislator and therefore you need to constitute a
committee of officials of the Govt of Goa, well
meaning citizens with due representation to NGOs as
well. Assitance from retired personnel within and
outside the State would be advisable.

In addition to the above we at SGPIAG feel that due
legislation should be enacted on the following

a) Making ward councillors/corporators  ACCOUNTABLE
for illegalities in their ward
b) introducing a COMMON CADRE for all Corporation and
Municipal staff 
c) No Chief Officer/Municipal Engineer should be
transferred within three years 
d) Complement of top heirarchy staff should at no time
be left vacant.  Fresh incumbents to fill in vacancies
atleast three months before occurence of the vacancy
to enable him/her understudy and to ensure that the
incumbent separating does not indulge in corrupt
practices towards the end of his tenure.
e) Cleanliness/Garbage disposal matters should be
contracted.
f) No motion of No Confidence can be pursued within
the first three years of the Council term.
g) Voters in the Corporation/Municipality should be
allowed atleast four sessions -- alike the gram sabhas
to interact and deliberate with the Councillors on
matters affecting the Corporation or Municipal area
and no major development issues should be permitted to
be taken up by the Corporation /Municipal without
making the citizens aware -- by public debate, issuing
a white paper on such proposals.

ALLIED ACTIONS

STAFF/WARD COUNCILLORS/CORPORATORS

Sir, you will agree that 
a) most of the staff and other officials have not
toured the entire metes and bounds of the Corporation
or Municipalites in Goa. 
b) some  are not updated on the civic issues affecting
the smooth functioning of the Corporation/
Municipalities
c) staff are not aware of the Municipal properties or
the ward maps nie

Re: [Goanet]One of the mysteries of the universe

[Mario Goveia]

--- Gabriel de Figueiredo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Civics may have been a subject taught at high
> school, but has any civic sense been imparted to the
> students?  Such as "If I throw my rubbish on the 
> street it might affect some one else"? 
> 
> One might expect this sort of behaviour (of chucking
> rubbish outside the window) from uneducated people.
> But from a doctor - and that too a pediatrician?
> 
Mario replies:
Gabriel,
It has nothing to do with education.  It is one of the
mysteries of the universe why Indians in India,
arguably  the most intelligent humans ever created by
God - or from a vacuum, as some would have us believe
- continue to have the most reckless disregard for the
most basic civic responsibilities or niceties. 
Actually, throwing rubbish on someone else's property
is one of the more benign habits of our desis,
exceeded by other well known sights for any tourist to
enjoy, such as the entire country being one huge
optional spitoon, not to mention one huge "al fresco"
optional public toilet.

When India is described as having the most freedoms in
the world, they're not kidding.

Outside India, surely you have noticed the difference
in behavior at an all-Indian function, where Indian
habits and Indian Standard Time apply, and those same
Indians at a mixed function, where their behavior is
exemplary and their timing punctual?

As I said, one of the mysteries of the universe.

Re: [Goanet]El. Power. Goa --TT1 (Think Tank)

[Nasci Caldeira]

Hi all,

Gabriel has pointed out the faulty system of replacing bown fuses, by using 
any size fuse etc; There is actually much more mayhem in this regard 
prevailing in Goa and also in the rest of India. Bad fuse system and non use 
of 'circuit breakers' is one of the faults in the bad distribution network;  
Fuses have to be of the correct size and make, as the one being replaced; 
(original size that is) Open wired fuses when blowing , are a major cause of 
fires! That is why, in modern times specially enclosed type of fuses are 
used; so that the 'arc' created by the fuse blowing is 'quenched' inside the 
body of the fuse which is filled with an arc quenching powder.


Still more modern and state of the art are 'Circuit Breakers' which trip OFF 
(internal mechaism), with instantaneous action, (unlike fuses which need to 
heat up before they blow) and are safer 'cause the capacity of same can't be 
replaced or interfered with by a lay or unlicensed person. All of the modern 
advanced world is now switched over to use of circuit creakers instead of 
fuses; Whither India? I sometimes wonder if India is really going 
anywhere!These devices are meant to protect the cables; otherwise there is 
overheating of the cables, loss of insulaton which gets burnt, short 
circuits and fires!


I bet the fire in the Goa Co-op Bank in Margao, last night, was caused by 
rain damage to the electrical installation and the eventual open fuse 
rupture or what is called a short circuit, to ignite combustibles and caused 
the fire; This is what happens, most of the time. careless wiring ; poor 
protection and flouting of and non adherence to rules regarding safety 
features.


Continuuing on my first post re same subject for Think tank:

It is essential to reduce the total load on the Field Transformer and the 
distribution system from the transformer; there should also be all time 
logging with suitable instrumentation, of suply Voltage, Frequency, and the 
KVA carried by the transformer; so that defects are recorded, analysed and 
corrected; One fileld engineer should be totally responsible for any affair 
connected downstream of the particular transformer; so this way he can't 
shift the blame;. he has to get his subordinates do the job as per rules; 
otherwise be given the sack. Since no amount of extra power availability, is 
of any help after the transformer; it is essential to keep the load below 
that of the capacity of the transformer; so as to maintain full voltage and 
frequency upto the consumer's door.


But people who get away with theft and others well off to afford to pay, for 
the same, (using high power el.stoves and hot plates and immersion water 
heaters, air conditioners etc.) are the ones who are overloading the system 
and have been definitely identified as the cause of low voltages, dim lights 
during peak periods etc.!


Therefore I propose a complete ban on use of all such equipment, (let people 
use gas, coal or wood fot their heating) thereby giving all consumers a good 
power supply without low voltages and or fluctuations. Of course this has to 
be accompanied by detecting and punishing the stealing culprits and the 
meter damaging persons with severity and a punitive disconnection of their 
power supply. To prevent any consumer flouting the ban, Circuit breakers and 
meters on the supply side, at the consumer's premises must be properly 
sealed; and any breaking or tampering of this must be: automatic 
disconnection. The Law must prevail; and no panchayat or state level rep. or 
politician should be allowed to interfere in the application of thiese 
penalties; If any politician interferes then his power should be 
automatically disconnected by rule and by law if need be. Why can't this be 
done?? It can be done; only a strong 'WILL' is required! Not Willy of 
course! :-) MR Digamber the new Power Minister, pleasae take note and do the 
needful and deliver! Goa Desc. please hound the Minister and the Govt. until 
they do their primary duty by the people.  Goadesc, I hope you will take 
interest in these 'Think Tank' topics and follow them through. Thanks.

More on 'TT1' : To be Continued.

Nasci Caldeira
Melbourne


From: Gabriel de Figueiredo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: [Goanet]El. Power. Goa --TT1  (Think Tank)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:55:58 +1000 (EST)

It appears that for some reason, the Electricity Dept
does not issue the standard fuses (glass-enclosed or
otherwise), but expects the field-engineer to replace
the blown fuse with a thin strand of copper wire
(capacity of course unknown).  This not only results
in destroying the equipment the fuse is supposed to
protect, but is a dangerous practice that could lead
up to explosions at other feeder stations.  I
understand that an orange glow can often be discerned
from a distance at night, from these boxes.


Gabriel de Figueiredo.

Melbourne - Australia.

[Goanet]Goanet, Mario Goveia and the USA

[Aquino Noronha]

Mario Goveia has been using this forum to make a shameless propaganda of the 
US and the neo-conservative ideas of the Bushites.
Mario Goveia should be reminded that this forum concerns Goa and Goans. He 
should only refer to the US when some of its actions or issues are related 
to Goa. There are certainly other places where he can give vent to his 
ideology.

Aquino Noronha

[Goanet]LANGUAGE: Tongue in a twist (Outlook)

[Frederick Noronha (FN)]

LANGUAGE
Tongue In A Twist 
Kannada or Devanagari? The dialect-rich Konkani sets off furious debate
  on the choice of script in Karnataka.
  
   SUGATA SRINIVASARAJU
  
  
  On April 13, the destructive rage of
   language activists burnt down the
  Central Library in Imphal, giving a
   shocking new twist to the
   controversy surrounding the script
  for the Manipuri language. Manipuri
   nationalists, since the state was
  integrated into the Indian Union in
  1949, have demanded that the ancient
   indigenous script of the language,
   Meitei Mayek, be restored and the
Bengali script, adopted
two-and-a-half centuries ago, be
  abandoned. 

  A similar controversy is raging in a
  diagonally opposite end of India, in
  the Konkan region, and this is about
   choosing an appropriate script for
   the Konkani language in Karnataka.






"Kannada
   Konkani is
  our identity
   marker. It
  will be lost
  if we adopt
  Devanagari.
   How can we
  let it go?"
  Eric Ozario,
Konkani
Sahitya
Academy






A rough estimate
  puts Konkani
 speakers at 37
   lakh in Karnataka,
 spread across
 three coastal
   districts. Konkani
  has been the
mother-tongue of
some very famous
 Indians, like
filmmakers Guru
 Dutt and Shyam
Benegal, writer
 Girish Karnad,
 badminton ace
Prakash Padukone
   and Nandan
  Nilekani of
   Infosys. 

   The script
controversy here
  though, for
   practical reasons,
 is unlikely to
  witness the
   devouring pitch of
Imphal. 

  Nevertheless, a debate consuming the
  attention of the linguistic
  community is on and it is gradually
   acquiring political overtones. The
   dilemma being faced by Konkanis in
Karnataka is whether they should
stick to the Kannada script they
   have been using for centuries, or
shift to Devanagari, to foster a
larger ethnic unity with Konkani
   speakers scattered in other Indian
  states, mostly Maharashtra and Goa;
   or merge with the global tide and
  use the tech-friendly Roman script,
   as a good majority of Goan
  Christians and even others are said
to do. 

  Although the dilemma has existed for
  quite some time now, the debate has
suddenly come alive in Karnataka
  because the state government, bowing
   to the long-standing demand of the

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In this issue: News from Goa, catching up on what you might
have missed. Narvekar talks of an IT-based industrial estate
at Socorro. It's raining rather heavy here in the state, 
even as it turns to a full-moon night on June 21 (and the 
phases of the moon are believed to have an impact on the weather).

June 20:
---

o IT industrial estate at Socorro (Bardez) in the offing.
  Law and IT minister Dayanand Narvekar said an IT-related
  industrial estate between Salvador do Mundo and Socorro 
  in bardez was in the offing. (NT)
o Panjim recorded the highest number of malaria cases across
  Goa between January and May 2005. Goa saw a total of 
  953 cases of malaria, including 100 of plasmodium 
  falciparum and 863 of plasmodium vivax. Panjim alone
  contributed 44.4 percent of all cases. Officials said
  78% of victims were labourers, two per cent were hotel
  boys and 20 percent were locals. (H)
o Decks cleared for Mickky's induction into Goa Cabinet.GT
o Aleixo Seiqueira, Loutolim MLA, shocked over report
  that he is planning to quit the Congress. (GT)
o Charles Correa, architect of Goan origin, has been
  commissioned by his alma mater, the prestigious
  Massachusetts Institute of Technology, to design
  its new neuroscience centre. (GT)

Goa Police: Wearing saffron-tainted khakhis?
It has been often alleged that the Police
Department was successfully used as a loyal
pawn by ex-chief minister Manohar Parrikar
during his stint in office. From issuing transfer
orders to deciding which cases were to be 
registered -- or ignored -- his detractors
say that Parrikar controlled every move the
department made in his position as home minister.
Gomantak Times, in a series 'Challenges Before Rane'

Correction: The just-released news updates, sent out
on June 21 afternoon (IST) should have its dateline
as June 21, 2005 ... and not May 21, 2005 as wrongly
mentioned in the issue. The inconvenience is regretted.

June 19:
---

o Government to broaden freedom fighters' category. CM
  Rane a sub-committee of freedom fighters would soon be
  constituted at the government level, to accord due
  honour to those who participated in the movement, but
  could not fulfil the paramaters required for being
  acknowledged as freedom fighters. (NT)
o I fought for freedom, says Goa deputy CM Dr Wilfred de
  Souza. Some freedom fighters had earlier protested when
  he was described as a freedom fighter. (NT)
o Providential escape for Mardol students. The roof of
  one of the rooms of their school building collapsed. (NT)
o For eight months, the Inox multiplex theatre has been
  operated by a private firm without a formal agreement.
  So far, the government has not got a single paisa,
  because it is yet to enter into an agreement with the 
  operator. (NT)
o Panjim wallowing in contaminated water. It has been
  scientifically confirmed that groundwater in Panjim
  contains micro-organisms which are far in excess of
  prescribed limits. (Nerita Baptista, Herald)
o Rane ready to inducty Mickky Pacheco. (H)
o Willy is upset with the Goa government being projected as
  a 'Congress government'. (H)
o Disaster management plan in offing for North Goa. (H)
o Two killed in truck collision near Mulvir temple
  at Malpem, Pernem. The truck was loaded with sand. (H)
o Police claim to solve Revora murder; say elder sister
  killed sibling for her gold ornaments. (GT)

Goa is seeing an alarming rate of caesareans being
performed. This raises the question of whether the
gynaecologists tend to downplay the morbidity of
caesareans and instead portray it as a simple
and safe alternative to natural delivery. (Preetu
Nair in Weekender/Gomantak Times)

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>From here and there:
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Responses from our readers: John Eric Gomes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
comments, "Thanks (for a posting on the use of IT by governments 
which was) very interesting. I had this idea when I formed 
The Porvorim Citizens Action Forum, got it registered and hoped 
to network first with other existing Citizens groups like 
in Saligao, Panaji, Soccoro etc. However sad to say, none of us 
can get a

Re: [Goanet]Goanet News Bytes * June 21, 2005 * Petrol prices hiked... again

[Seb dc]

Can someone state which branch, I understand margao has 2 branches. Is it 
the one near to High Court??


hAVE a nICE dAY
Seb..


o Fire englufs Margao Urban Co-op Bank late MOnday night.
 Fire broke out at 9.16 pm. (NT)

Re: [Goanet]SIGNS OF SENSE TAKING ROOT IN AVIATION

[Gabe Menezes]

On 21/06/05, Philip Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
The biggest factor that helps low-cost carriers in the West is that they
> operate from secondary airports, often located on the outskirts of the
> cities. This allows them to pay lower landing, navigation and all other
> charges. The low-cost carriers in UK, for instance, will use Gatwick or
> Stansted and not Heathrow

Gatwick is London's # 2 Airport and although cheaper than Heathrow in
terms of landing charges, it is not, what one would call, a low cost
Airport. London is served by stanstead and Luton which are considered
the hubs for the low cost Airlines. Gatwick handles a lot of European
flights but also some international long distance ones. Gatwick is
bigger than a lot of Europe's big Airports. In 2004 there were over
250,000 flights and more than 31 million people who used Gatwick!
Direct flights to Goa depart from Gatwick

http://www.ukaccs.info/gatwick/profile.htm





Cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
London, England

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In today's issue: Petrol prices hiked, making life costlier! 
Panjim gets clogged. There have been heavy spells of rain in
Goa over the past 2-3 days, and the full-moon is tonight --
so can we expect the weather to change after that?

o Petrol, diesel become dearer in India. Petrol prices 
  hiked by Rs 2.50. Diesel hiked by Rs 2 per litre. (NT)
o Petrol pumps remained closed in Goa too on Monday in 
  a struke.(NT)
o Panaji gets clogged at many places, as officials pass 
  the buck.(NT)
o Fire englufs Margao Urban Co-op Bank late MOnday night. 
  Fire broke out at 9.16 pm. (NT)
o Miccky induction issue: NCP says yes; not yet, 
  retorts Congress.(H)
o Panjim mayor Ashok Naik has demanded the immediate 
  removal of the Corporation of the City of Panjim 
  commissioner N Suryanarayanan. (H)
o Rainfall in Goa below normal for June, despite 
  heavy showers. Total rainfall received is only 37 cms 
  so far, as against the 45 cms in normal years. (H)
o Goa's popularity as a holiday destination for the 
  Indian upper middle class travel market is fast being 
  threatened by competing intl destinations that are 
  offering lower, all-inclusivepackages. (Reuven Proenca,GT)
o Chief Minister Rane, who also holds the finance 
  portfolio, has to chart out a new path in the Budget 
  that is both acceptable to the people and also would 
  do the greatest good to the greatest number. 
  (Vithaldas Hegde in GT)
o Arpora-Nagoa sarpanch Salim Sayyad has been voted
  out of office in a no-confidence move. (H)
o Willy promises new coal handling plant to cut dust
  pollution at Vasco. (H)
o Don Bosco past pulips launch Margao unit. (H)

Trees this monsoons: High yielding varieties
paddy seeds, fruit-bearing grafts, coconut
seedlings and all vegetable seedlings are 
available at zonal agricultural offices in Goa.
Coconut seedlings are priced at just Rs 20 each.
Mango grafts at Rs 32 per graft, and chickoo
costs Rs 35. Vegetables like lady finger, 
local val, cucumber, ridge-gourd, baby-corn
and brinjals are available at 50% subsidy. (H)

Novel on freedom struggle: Canada-based Ben
Antao has come out with his novel on the
liberation struggle called 'Blood and Nemesis'.
It was released by Prof James Fernandes (ex-SXC
Mapusa) and released at the International Centre,
Dona Paula on Sunday. (H)

-
Deaths and remembrances
-

Even in death they do not part: They walked down 
the aisle 35-years-ago to take their marriage 
vows together.  They spent their life happily 
together. Despite heavy rains, hundreds flocked 
to the Milagres Church at Mapusa to pay their last 
respects to Maria Alzira Fernandes Mesquita Saldanha 
and Ivo de Silveira de Saldanha, who breathed their 
last in the space of a few hours.  Maria died 
tragically on the spot in a head-on collision with 
a bus at St Cruz on Thursday afternoon as she
was driving to see her ailing husband at the GMC
Hospital at Bambolim. Ivo passed away barely three
days later. (Savio Roy D'Souza in Mapusa) 

CHANDOR: Inaciana Mascarenhas of Cotta. b 1934. Wife of
Santiago. Expired after a brief illness.

CURCHOREM: Jose Dias from near the Church, Morailem
b 1933.

MERCES VADDY: Maria Conceicao Fernandes of Temba. b 1913.

NUVEM: Jose Menino Santana Cardozo (Joe) of Murda Grande,
b 1937. Husband of Teodolina. Funeral on June 21, 3.30 pm

-
Goa sports
-

Arlem YA of Raia squeezed past ICSC Paroda 4-2 via the tie-
breaker to move into the semis of the 13th Fransa Suport
Soccer Football organised by United Boys of Dando Colva
and played at St John Baptist Ground, Benaulim.

Parish Youth, Novem got the better of Verna SC 3-2 in the XI
Muriel faleiro memorial football tournament at Nuvem.

Hiralal & Co will organise its Fifth All Goa Major Ranking
table-tennis at St Teresa Hall, Mangor Hill, Vasco June 29
to July 3.

Today: Fransa Super Soccer at Benaulim United Boys of 
Dando Colva v/s Maina SC Curtorim 
Muriel faleiro s

[Goanet]INDIAN EXPRESS WISES UP SINCE MAY 27 REPORT ON MOPA

[Philip Thomas]

http://iecolumnists.expressindia.com/full_column.php?content_id=72895


Sucheta Dalal

DIFFERENT STROKES

Wither airports?



---

Remember the May 27 report about making Mopa an A380-ready airport by 2014?
What rubbish!

[Goanet]SIGNS OF SENSE TAKING ROOT IN AVIATION

[Philip Thomas]

aviation
Airborne
Every other month, a new low-cost or "value" carrier is taking to the air. A
look at the players, the models - and the sustainability of the business.


Anjuli Bhargava [Businessworldindia.com]




-
That's why Dabolim should remain open for civilian flights even when Mopa
materialises [and Lohegaon, Pune should stay open when Chakan is ready ...].
Comprende?

[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - June 21, 2005!

[domnic fernandes]

“Lok jitlo zantto zata titlo ugi poddta; tanchea lagim ugi ravpak chodd 
asta.”


(People become quieter when they get older; they have more to keep quiet 
about.)


Moi-mogan,
Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA

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Re: [Goanet]Re: *** Goanet Reader -- Goan society, its future direction...

[Bernado Colaco]

Habri Yakho, Nuzri Sana Rene?

Many Goans in Macau are listed on Goanet. But like the
rest of 7000 they will not speak. I did organize  Goa
Day two years ago, now a few question its meaning. So
they will not be a part of it. 

They praise bharat, but have become very rich with the
hand of the Portuguese. When they go for holidays to
Bangrachem they flaunt their wealth and speak in da
Portugez. Very confusing in nit mate?

B. Colaco


--- rene barreto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
>   Bernado , 
> 
> I read with great interest your many very
> positive
> posts on Goanet - Is there anything else you may
> wish
> to share with us - on how we Goans can come TOGETHER
> to work for the betterment of Goan Soceity , can we
> get the Goans community  in Macau to be a part of
> Goanet ?
> 
> I am sure - you will do all you can.
> 
>rene barreto 
> 
> --- Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 10 years ago the lists and forums were initiated
> by
> > Goans. Goans are gullible, 43 years of neo
> > imperialism
> > rubbed into them. The education must continue.
> Even
> > the king of Goa Suraj never new of the plunder
> > taking
> > place in Goa until...
> > 
> > B. Colaco
> > 
> > > Whether it is single point or multipoint, we
> both
> > > seem to have a vested
> > > interest in Goa's "problem set", right? But the
> > push
> > > may be coming from
> > > polar opposite directions! And yet, oddly
> enough,
> > > the end result will
> > > probably be equally infructuous! How about
> that?!
> > > Regards.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>
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[Goanet]Blinkered education

[Gabriel de Figueiredo]

1. I have read that a PWD engineer stated "As long as
water comes from a tap, who cares about the quality?";

2. I have seen discarded bandages being strewn outside
the windows at the GMC, as well as stray cattle in the
vicinity of the same.  I have also been reliably
informed that the toilets in the GMC often get
blocked, causing sewage water to spill out into the
corridors;

3. Now, Joe Vaz reports that a pediatrician's clinic
"disposes off" its waste by chucking it outside the
window. 

Are doctors and engineers only taught how to cure /
how to lay a pipeline / how to wire up a connection?
Are they not taught anything else besides the narrow
stream of their subject matter, such as safety and the
human interface? How blinkered has education got?
Civics may have been a subject taught at high school,
but has any civic sense been imparted to the students?
Such as "If I throw my rubbish on the street it might
affect some one else"? 

One might expect this sort of behaviour (of chucking
rubbish outside the window) from uneducated people.
But from a doctor - and that too a pediatrician?

Disgusted,

Gabriel de Figueiredo.
Melbourne - Australia.

Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com 

[Goanet]Spreading fear through Chain letters

[graceful]

Spreading fear through chain letters (such and such a pin was found
in a theater and someone got AIDS through it) -- unless
these claims are substantiated through evidence --- should not
just be banned, but those who post such posts should be
held liable for any damages caused.

I remember when I was a  child, I have got personally affected by such hoaxes.

I suggest Goanet admin be held liable if they continue to approve
such posts.

Many times I have found that those who spread such chain letters
have a very cynical and negative view of the world.

regards,
Samir Kelekar

Re: [Goanet]El. Power. Goa --TT1 (Think Tank)

[Gabriel de Figueiredo]

In addition to Nasci's comments,  I have been informed
by a person in know in Goa, that one of the
distribution problems is the fuses in the system. 

It appears that for some reason, the Electricity Dept
does not issue the standard fuses (glass-enclosed or
otherwise), but expects the field-engineer to replace
the blown fuse with a thin strand of copper wire
(capacity of course unknown).  This not only results
in destroying the equipment the fuse is supposed to
protect, but is a dangerous practice that could lead
up to explosions at other feeder stations.  I
understand that an orange glow can often be discerned
from a distance at night, from these boxes.

This attitude of the electricity dept managers appears
to be reflected in other depts as well - I remember
one PWD engineer recently stating "who cares about the
quality of water as long as water comes out from the
tap?" - the same could be said of the electricity
engineers. I don't know how these idiots could become
engineers in the first place!

Cheers,

Gabriel de Figueiredo.
Melbourne - Australia.

--- Nasci Caldeira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> This subject has come up before, on goanet, but only
> ideas of measurement of 
> voltage and frequency failure and hours of no power
> etc. were discussed; and 
> some even suggested suitable instrmentation and
> software for 'logging' these 
> failures/faults. 

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[Goanet]Just before the churchbells rang... two unrelated topics

[Frederick Noronha (FN)]

Just before the 5 am churchbells rang my journo colleague Niraj Naik's
breaking news service (which also comes in via SMS) beeped silently on
my mobile to say, "Lakhs of rupees worth property and important records
gutted in fire that broke at Margao Urban Cooperative bank premises in
Margao. Fire extinguishing work going on."

Thought of sharing this with you. We've had a lot of mysterious fires in
Goa, including in government offices, and questions don't get asked once
the records are lost. Dunno what category this fire falls in.

Senior citizen and early riser Ms Maria Aurora Couto of Carona Aldona
has written in to say that her Goanet postings have not been getting
through. Yesterday, Cecil sent in a similar note. So did Melinda Powell
earlier

Goa's main ISP Sancharnet.in has been bouncing mail like crazy. To
lessen the load on the Goanet server, any address that repeatedly
bounces mail is shifted to the 'no mail' option. Strangely, one reader
in Goa found that her Goanet-Digest had stopped, but the Goanet-News
postings were coming through!

If anything like this happens to you, please note that you need to get
in touch with [EMAIL PROTECTED] and request to be shifted back
from the no-mail option.

Guess I'm rambling on just because it's past 5 am and am feeling sleepy.
Off to bed... FN