Re: [Goanet] On Pedophilia & Sai Baba
--- Jaswant Krishnayya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mario Goveia in his contribution has said that > allegations against Sai Baba of molesting of > children are ill-founded. > > I just want to say that I have seen a film on TV > where an American family spoke at length (about 25 > minutes) about how they were devotees, and how Sai > Baba took their son for private counselling. Much > later -- many visits later -- they discovered what > this was about. They are now somewhat at odds with > themselves, since they see what happened, but are > still somewhat "believers". > Mario responds: > Jaswant, I did not say that the allegations against Sai Baba were "ill-founded" as I have no way of knowing. > I said that if the allegations were credible, he would have been arrested, charged and convicted. Like anyone else, he should enjoy the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. > Interviews on TV are not dispositive of anything. > Finally, the context of my comment is important. Santosh was using the "allegations" to show that Sai Baba's moral code was "fake" or hypocritical. > Even if Sai Baba is guilty as hell, it would be HE that was hypocritical, not his code, which would still stands on it's own merits, unless you can explain to me how a code that says "Love all, serve all. Help ever, hurt never." can be morally harmful to anyone. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Imazighen all les people, living for todaaay
Imazighen all les people, living for todaaay How linguistic misinterpretation can lead to head butting By Cecil Pinto Before Zidane, the most popular export from Algeria was the rai musician Khaled. In his early teens he called himself Cheb Khaled, Arabic for 'young Khaled'. At the age of fourteen Khaled formed his first band, 'Les Cinq Etoiles', French for 'The Five Stars'. You give yourself an Arabic name, your band a French name, and your greatest ever hit song consists of repeating the words 'Di Di', in between clearing your throat in guttural harmony? Proof enough that Algerian migrants may be very talented, but for sure are linguistically challenged. I am of course deliberately not including Pope Gelasius I (492 - 496) who despite being of Algerian blood was a very prolific and capable linguist and was crucial in suppressing pagan rites and festivals and supplanting them with Christian ones throughout the Roman Catholic empire of the time. Zidane's linguistic disorientation of course is even more severe than Khalid's. Technically speaking Zinedine Yazid Zidane is not a migrant as he was born in France, but his parents, from the Kabyle Berber clan, were. Kabyles have been at the forefront of the fight for the official recognition of the Berber language, Tamazight, in Algeria. Keep in mind that despite the current composition of the population of Algeria, it has been inhabited by Berbers (or Imazighen) since at least 10,000 BC, long before the Romans (200 BC), Arabs (8th Century) and more recently the French. The language issue is politically sensitive, particularly for the Berber minority, which has been disadvantaged by state-sanctioned Arabization. Similar to the Konkani script issue in Goa, where the majority dominant section is trying to impose a standard Devnagri script which will effectively smother the prolific output (from the political minority) that exists in the Roman script. But let's keep the Algerian-Goan language issue comparison for another day. For the purpose of our Zidane-Materazzi misunderstanding just keep the following in mind. The Berber languages have two cases of the noun, organized ergatively: one is unmarked, while the other serves for the subject of a transitive verb and the object of a preposition, among other contexts. The former is often called état libre, the latter état d'annexion or état construit. Berber nouns also have two genders, masculine (unmarked) and feminine (marked with reflexes of the prefix t-). Initial reports of what transpired, before the brutal head-butt, came in from lip readers who watched the footage and gave their interpretations. Later comments came in from everybody - the main protagonists, their agents, his mother, his girlfriend's previous fiancée, and a taxi driver in a bar in Betalbatim who had actually been vomiting in the toilet when the incident occurred. The insult ranged from being called an 'Islamic terrorist' to prostituting the entire adult female section of the Zidane family - all combined with some nipple twirling and shirt pulling. Now that the dust has settled both protagonists agree that it was a grievous insult to Zidane's sister only - and nobody else. Zidane's mother, Malika, has said, "I praise my son for defending my family's honor". Zidane, who describes himself as a non-practicing Muslim, married Véronique, who is of French-Spanish extraction, in 1992. They met while he was at Cannes and they now have three boys, each with an Italian name! Zidane has been sent off 14 times in his career at the club and international level. The most famous examples of this include head butting Jochen Kientz of Hamburg during a Champions League match, when he was at Juventus in 2000 (an action that cost him a five match suspension) and his stomping on the hapless Faoud Amin of Saudi Arabia during the 1998 World Cup finals. Zidane's first coaches at AS Cannes noticed quickly that he was raw and sensitive, eager to attack spectators who insulted his race or family. A friendly match between France and Algeria at the Stade de France in October 2001 proved to be one of the most harrowing moments of Zidane's career. 'I say this once for all time: my father is not a harki', he announced to the press. The harkis as we all know were the forgotten victims of the colonial war, hated by their own people, the Algerians, who saw them as collaborators, and despised by the French, who remember them with shame. But enough of Zidane and his background, let's briefly glance at the Italian connection. The Italian language has enriched the English language extensively. Thanks to Italian we have words like façade, mezzanine, sepia, masquerade, confetti, pizza, scenario, orchestra, soprano, violin, bimbo, diva, caress, donna, stiletto, piston, gusto.. oops! I'm getting carried away. What is important is the linguistics. Italian has seven vowel phonemes. In general, vowel combinations usually pr
Re: [Goanet] Goanet as learning instrument re Democracies
--- Fred Noronha wrote: > > I don't agree with my colleague RKN's view that an > undivided India would have been unsustainable. To > me, it seems based on the logic that > Muslims-aren't-people-like-us.>> > ---RKN responded: > > No, that's not what I meant. > Mario asks: > RKN, After saying that's not what you meant it would have helped to know what you did mean. I believe Elisabeth also agreed with you that an undivided India would have been "untenable" without explaining why. We know that both of you are in agreement with Jinnah, though your reasons may vary from his, but he did not have the advantage of hindsight, while you do. > We now know for a fact that the partition of India actually resulted in numerous conflicts, hostilities and unnecessary duplication of wasteful defense expenditures by two essentially poor countries where these resources could have been better used. Tens of thousands were killed in the ethnic cleansing of Hindus and Sikhs from Pakistan in 1947, and the retaliatory killings of the minority of Indian Muslims who shared Jinnah's paranoia and were moving to Pakistan, and additional tens of thousands have been killed in the low-grade conflicts since then. > By my calculations undivided India today, which would include Pakistan and Bangladesh, would have had a population of roughly 1.35 billion with about 28% of this being Muslim. Such a large minority would be a good thing, in my opinion, in a country that basically adopted a committment to democracy and freedom of religion from the Brits which it did not have before, except perhaps in small pockets here and there. > I think this population mix would have been more secular rather than less, because the extremists and paranoid among the Hindus and Muslims would have cancelled each other out better, and the remaining dominant percentage of Indians would be those who believe in religious freedom of choice, which would have kept a lid on religious conflicts. > Most of those who became Pakistanis and Bangladeshis would have shared the committment to democratic principles, influenced by the majority of undivided India's population in my vision of what India might have been, and the Pakistani generals would have been unable to impose their dictatorial inclinations on anyone. No madrassas, no Indo-Pak jihadis, and all of Kashmir a tourist's heaven on earth. > Is my scenario illogical? If so, why? > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Bhukkichear Konkani knock knock
Knock knock Kaun tinga? Chor Chor kaun? chorissan hadlean! Zai tuka? Knock Knock Kaun tinga? Mesquit Mesquit Kaun? Miskutui hadlan!! Knock Knock Kaun tinga? Bhajirao Bhajirao Kaun? Bhajeak ravpak podtolem...Aizz nah! Knock Knock Kaun tinga? Bebe Bebe Kaun? Bebinca natalantunch mevtolem... Knock Knock Kaun tinga? Anton Anton Kaun? Ani ton bonnd korunn..? Puro nhui knock knock jokes? ^_^ *~Jen Birmingham UK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VascokarsUnited/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IEIGLC/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoanStudentsAbroad/ == __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] "MODDLELEA KHURSAK RESPET NAM!" - Konkani/English article
MODDLELEA KHURSAK RESPET NAM! (English translation follows) Amche purvoz zobor vhodd xiknnar nhoi aslet punn tankam jivitacho bhorpur anbhog aslo zo tannim mhunnnneamchea bhesan amkam dovorla. Adlea kallar ghor bandpachi bunhad marta tea disa eka fatracher khursachi kuru kantortalet ani tem ghor bandun kobar zaisor to fator ghora samkar dovorlolo astalo. Ghor bandun somptanch, durgan ghora samkara ek dakttulem pedd ubarun to fatracho khuris taka zoddtalet ani tachea manak ladain korun ghorachem ugddapnnem vo benjiment kortalint; aiz-kal hi stil komi zait gelea. Uprant dispottim tea khursak fulam ghalun tachi puja kortalint. Toxench zoim-moim vaddeanim nodor marlear zaitech khuris distalet ani azun distat. Tech porim konnuim margar absoegan ontorlear, to munis somplelea zagear eok khuris ubartalet ani azun ubartat jeant ietea-voitean meleleacho ugddas korun tachea othmeank rozar korunk. Soglle khuris je amchea durganim, kopelanim ani igorzanim asat te fatranche vo fatranim bandlele punn torui astannam ami tanchi puja kortat; dekunuch amchea purvozanim ek mhunnnni dovorlea: Mandlear Dev, nam zalear fator. Zorui hea fatranchea khursank ami mandun ghevnk naslet zalear ghoddiek amchea Goyeant Kristi dhorm assonk pavchonaslo. Kednaim vadoll-moll ievn, khursacher zaddacho khando vo anik kiteim xevtton poddon, vo anik kosleai dusrea karannank lagon, ek khuris moddonk pavta. Adlea kallar lokak poth nasli; dekun, moddlolo khuris sarko korunk konnuch fuddem soronaslo. Zoxe dis bolanddtalet, lok moddlelea khursak man divnk akoddtalo ani thoddeanch vorsanim bilkul tea khursak vissortalet. Oxem ghoddlelem pollelea uprant amchea purvozanim amkam anik ek moddlelela fatrachea khursa vixim mhunnnni dovorlea ani ti oxi: Moddlelea khursak respet nam! Hi mhunnnni amchea chaltea jivitan soglleank lagu zata. Munxeak Devan rochla ani hea sonvsarant ghatla. Munis bore bolaiqen assonchor sogott ixtt, soirim-dairim taka salaam martat. Sodankal kamank sarko gelear ani borem kam kelear componi taka voir uklun dovorta punn toch kamdar oskot zalear vo absoegak sampddon hath-pavom moddon aturnar poddlear, tich componi tache vixim bodolta ani taka sirvisecho kaddunk puri tozvit korta karann toslea bhesar to compenek ek luskonn ani nhoi faido. Tech porim eka kuttumban jednam passun eka ghoracho voddil sirvis korta to ek duddvanim bhorleli zhor ji duent poddtoch vo absoegak sampoddtoch sukot veta ani titlean toch zoddkar-ghorkar zo ghoracho divo ani asro zavn aslo to zavnk pavta ek bharadik vojem purea kuttumbak jem kednam kai ghorantlem bhair uddonv xem zata. Eka boroinnarachi passun tich goth. Jednam passun ek borovpi aplim borovpam boroita ani potrancher vo net-acher pattoita, sogott taka uklun dortat ani tachi thoknnai kortat punn jea vellar to kaim karannank lagon anturnar xevttota toch lok tachi khobor passun ghevnk vissortat! Tor mogall vachpeanim moddlelea khursa ani munxea modem kaim ontor nam ani hich amchea jivitachi khori kadambori ji soglleank amkam ravta. Adlea tempar moddlelea khursak man divnk visortalint punn aplea sangateachi vo avoi-bapuichi xeva korunk visronaslint. Ghov-bail eka-mekachem sukh-dukh vanttun ghetalint ani moromsor eka-mekacho sangat kortalint. Toxinch bhurgim aplea avoi-bapaik moromsor sanddinaslint. Punn aiz-kalchea sonvsarant oxem ghoddonam. Tum kosleai duensak vo absoegak sampoddlear, tujim ghorchim passun vatt pollovn ravtat kednam kai tujem moddem voron cimitirint pavoitelim jeant tujea ilajacho khorcho bond zatolo ani titlean tankam soceg melltolo. Punn ugddas dhorat, Devachi nit konnankuch chukonam - kelelea mapan ami bhogchem poddtelem! Dumingachea pornea kallachea chovkar thavn sod'deak itlench! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA === MODDLELEA KHURSAK RESPET NAM (NO RESPECT FOR A BROKEN CROSS) Our ancestors were not great learned men but they had a lot of experience in their lives which they left behind for us in the form of proverbs. In the past, when a house foundation was laid, they carved out a cross on a stone and it was kept in front of the house until the construction was over. As soon as the house was complete, they raised a small stone pedestal inside the compound, facing the house, and placed the cross-carved stone on it; this system has now diminished. They celebrated a litany to the cross and inaugurated the house. They then placed flowers and adored the cross every day. If one looked around he/she came across and still comes many crosses in a ward. Similarly, whenever a person met with an accident and died on the road, they erected and still erect a cross on the spot so the passers by remember the person and pray for his/her soul. All the crosses which exist in our compounds, chapels and churches are made from stones and yet we pray to them; hence, our ancestors have left us an adage: "Mandlear Dev, nam zalear fator" (I
[Goanet] My challenge
--- Joe Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, to my great delight, copied and pasted, as usual, the following: > Santosh Helekar wrote: > On Thu Aug 14, 2003 10:39 pm > Subject: [Goanet]Satanic Verses > > to any censorship or ban of Satanic Verses or any >other religious parody in this public forum.> > --Santosh Helekar. > I am happy and proud to say that I firmly and vehemently stand by my above assertion. I challenge the above character or any other member of this forum who advocates censorship of this nature to have the courage to speak out and defend himself/herself here, now. Let us see how many Goanetters out of the ~7000 or ~1 support such action, and on what basis. Let us see what kind of freedom we want for ourselves. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Apparently we have "spokespersons" re: religious intolerance
Santosh Helekar is a good and decent human being, a gentleman and scholar, and a friend. I have met him a couple of times and admire his thought-provoking comments. His presence has enhanced these forums. Discussions require solid facts and substantive arguments and he has provided them - consistently. He has taken on controversial subjects and naturally ruffled a few feathers. However, it is better for those who disagree with his views to simply state their case and leave the personal stuff aside. Cyber-goans are capable of making up their own minds, most I suspect look at the arguments and ignore the personal attacks. I hope Santosh is not further victimized on this forum. Regards, George ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Apparently we have "spokespersons" re: religious intolerance
Joe, why are you mocking my belief in secularism ... and my faith in the god called truth? My religious views tell me that I need to worship my conscience and speak out on matters I feel strongly about. By telling me to stay silent, and calling my debate "mockery" isn't this "abuse"? While you have your rights to believe in what you choose, should anyone be depriving me of the same? FN On 22/07/06, Joe Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you are asking - is it improper to pose questions on any religion, (as a > learning exercise,) my answer would be no. However, it is improper to make > mockery of *any* religion, God/Jesus. That constitutes clear "abuse" and is > an indication that such individuals derive intense pleasure in "religion > bashing," -- mocking *religion* and *people's religious beliefs*. -- -- GOAPHOTOS GROUP: http://www.flickr.com/groups/goaphotos/ http://fn.goa-india.org ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Knock, knock ... ferries and assemblies?
Politics is the art of the possible. It is eminently possible that one day both the bridges across the Mandovi will develop 'cracks' and people will have to take a ferry from Panaji to Malim again! We did just that about a decade and half ago. Goa ke log ajeeb hain; pul bhi ;-)) Viva Goa. Miguel Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:46:42 +0530 From: "Frederick Noronha" Knock, knock... what's this ferry reference doing in the site of the Legislative Assembly? FN http://www.goavidhansabha.gov.in/ The people have been depending upon the local ferry service to cross the rivers wherever bridges have not been constructed so far. Today, Goa has a newly constructed and prestigious State Assembly Complex, a symbol of the Democracy commissioned in March 2000. Shri Francisco Sardinha, Hon'ble Speaker. -- Viva Goa.Say it with feni. MIGUEL BRAGANZA, Mhapsa Horticulturist/ Editor - Find out what India is talking about on Yahoo! Answers India. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20060721/41d0107d/attachment.htm ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Apparently we have "spokespersons" on Goanet
Dear Darling Gilbert, Mojez mogal, please pray tell where I have argued both sides of the court (and not held center stage :)). I would like to correct that situation at once :)) To you my darling, I will clarify whatever ambiguity has arisen. Now, what plans for the weekend? We're heading to the zoo. The heatwave seems to have passed away. Elisabeth -- --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Elisaeth, > > The price one pays for arguing it both ways is the > loss of credibility. It is not Mario! OK, it is > Mario on your shempdi (tail) holding you to > the fire.:=)) > Kind Regards, GL > > - Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: Guns in the hands of angry people
Guns in the hands of angry people George Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] There was a time when I carried a gun. A real beauty. A Wembley 303. It was something I had no difficulty in acquiring as I was an ex-Indian Air Force officer. Those were peaceful, civilized times and the thought or the occasion to use it never came up. I was happy then, and laughter filled my soul. It reflected in the funny pieces I wrote for The Times of India, The Indian Express and Midday. It did not take long for society and its civilized norms to collapse all around me. The places where I lived got crowded, dirty and noisy. Tolerance levels crashed to an abysmal low. The son of a friend of mine, a very senior IAS officer, got out of his car and shot dead a motorcyclist who had dared to overtake him, may be on the wrong side. My son on his way to college saw a hefty man mercilessly beating up a young boy in front of Metro Cinema and tried to intervene to prevent the young boy from being reduced to pulp. The hefty man pulled out a knife and my son was lucky to escape with a minor scratch. Around our house, on the once beautiful beach in Gorai, life became unbearable. Every night and sometimes even in broad daylight, men came in trucks to rape the beach and carry away its sand to construction sites. Picnickers with bellies full of alcohol rode their demonic motorcycles up and down the beach destroying the quietness we came to search for and endangering the lives of children playing in the sand. No efforts to talk sense either to the sand collecting mafia or to the motorcycle thugs succeeded. It was then that I made an instant decision to get rid of my gun. If I had kept it I would have killed a lot of people and landed in Arthur Road prison, friends, relatives and neighbours wondering how a nice guy (ha,ha) like me could have gone round killing people. I cannot certainly condone but I can understand the behaviour of Pravin Mahajan. The mistake he made was, not that he succumbed to his uncontrollable rage, but that he possessed a gun. I must confess that I have a terrible temper among many other weaknesses. It is a recent phenomenon. Its source is my equally terrible helplessness, my impotence in the face of injustice, corrupt practices and non-governance. Not strangely my anger also has its source, above all, in the irresponsible, uncivilized, callous behaviour of people in my close and distant neighbourhood. People who go to church, temple and mosque everyday but are hell-bent on destroying the planet God gave to us in stewardship as well as destroying the Constitution that the fathers of our nation gave to us as a gift. Let other people berate the Government and Municipal Corporation for their many sins. I am member of several major movements that are sccessfully dealing with these bodies. My rage of the moment is about simpler next-door things People who drive expensive cars and throw garbage out of the windows in the middle of my road. People who mercilessly hack down beautiful 30 year old trees without permission and have no compunction in bribing their way out of trouble. People who regularly drive through one way streets ignoring "no entry" signs. And when they are stopped, either threaten to beat me up or ask me "tera bap ka rasta hai kya?" (Is this your father's road?) What enrages me even more is that the majority of people just don't care. On a road that houses 350 families the attendance of the monthly ALM meeting is never more than 12 people. The same old dedicated people. At the joint meeting of ALMs with the representatives of the Corporation and the Traffic police the attendance is equally pathetic. If the room is full it is because there are lots of representatives of the hawkers. I'm also terribly enraged with the media. Newspapers and television channels. They're so focused on sales and TRP ratings that we are subjected to a constant barrage of news about Bollywood stars, fashion people and politicians. One group entertains us the other one entertains themselves while the third one destroys everything that is sacred to the nation and its beautiful people. Must one billion people, half of whom live in poverty, the majority of whom have of no shelter water or electricity, who are exploited, discriminated against and are unable to get justice, be bombarded with information that some actress has had an accident on the sets and twisted her ankle? Must we have several weeks of coverage of the sneezes, coughs and farts of a screen idol in the country when hundreds of problems that effect our people need to be written about, talked about, so that the media can become a rallying point of collaborative and synergistic problem-solving? Who are these Bollywood stars, clothes-shedding m
Re: [Goanet] LANDED PROPERTIES ACQUIRED BY FOREIGNERS IN GOA./response to Fred
On 22/07/06, Elisabeth Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mario G.'s contention that there is no solution to the > labour component of industry except in response to a > total free market principle of demand and supply, is > not entirely true. Hi Elisabeth, For once, MarioG and me seem to be agreeing about "free markets" -- have them for all the inputs (capital, land, knowledge and labour) or none. Maybe we agree for different reasons altogether. It reminds me of the time when the Catholic Church and Maoist China were in agreement that population isn't a problem. Of course, they were looking at the issue from two extreme ends of the political spectrum (and arriving at similar conclusions!) > Suppose we look at the Gulf model of labour supply. > There, the casual day labourer does not exist. Let's > examine what is happening in Goa today. An early > morning drive through the major towns of Vasco and > Margao, will reveal hordes of workers milling about > waiting to be picked up by construction companies on a > daily wage basis. On a more serious note, the problem has little, if anything, to do with the demand and supply of labour. Try getting a plumber or a carpenter at your how and see how it works. If you live in a village, or even in the suburbs, this gets ten times more difficult. Ditto for computer technicians, etc etc. On the other hand, Goa has a surfeit of some professions -- taxi drivers, for instance and returnees from the Gulf who spend Rs 20 lakh to set up a xerox shop that brings in no returns -- who just cannot find jobs or business. It is surprising that nobody mentions how the information-poverty is skewing up the entire labour market in Goa. This, together with the lack of transport badly needed to provide mobility in a state that's scattered across quite a large area, and the inability of Goa to train the trades and skills that she needs (or can export labour with) should be given its fair share of the blame. As a journalist myself, I am quick to admit that Goa suffers from an acute case of information poverty. Sad! FN PS: Just today someone was writing in from another continent to say, "I'm realy pissed off the way Goa's being spoilt, sometimes I just wish to come down and fight it out. Why are you'll journalists and the social activists quiet?" Well, the person in question, had migrated out recently -- -- SHARE GOA-RELATED PHOTOS: http://www.flickr.com/groups/goaphotos/ Join the group by clicking the red button at the bottom-right. -- ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] "Pro-science" and "logical" - really?
> > Bosco wrote: > > > > Santosh - you are pro-Science more than > > anything else. Everything has to be logical. > Mario responds: > Bosco, How is it "pro-science" and "logical" for anyone with a Ph.D. to argue that a rock solid moral code often developed over centuries of shared experience represents a "fake morality" and is invalid because a few individuals who have subscribed to the code are either guilty of transgressions, or even ALLEGED to be guilty? > How is it "pro-science" and "logical" for anyone with a Ph.D. to INSIST that all unorganised individual atheists worldwide have arrived at their beliefs through independent study, research and deep reflection and introspection, when neither he nor anyone else has any way of knowing this? > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] NEWS: Canacona lift title after shootout (Gulf Daily News)
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/story.asp?Article=150274&Sn=SPOR&IssueID=29124 Canacona lift title after shootout CANACONA defeated Verna 3-2 in a penalty shootout to lift the Bab Peter Memorial Seven-a-Side Football Trophy after the sides were locked at 1-1 after extra-time in the final played at Al Qadisiya Club in Salmaniya. In the match for third place, Navelim beat Margao 3-1. Canacona opened the scoring midway through the first-half, when player of the tournament Biju Papachan unleashed a blazing shot from the top of the box that gave Verna goalkeeper Caitan Dias no chance. Minutes later, Verna equalised in a similar fashion after Raymond Fernandes sent in a aerial strike from the centre of the field and out of position Canacona goalkeeper Angus Arokiaswamy misjudged the ball enabling Verna to draw level 1-1 when the sides went in at the break. In the second-half, Agnelo Misquita troubled the Canacona defence but could not find a way past Arokiaswamy. In the penalty shoot-out, Biju, Denzil and Niven on target for Canacona and Agnelo and Raymond netting for Verna, while Merwyn had his effort saved by Arokiaswamy to seal victory for Canacona. In the third-place match, Goans league champions Navelim scored a 3-1 victory against Margao. Cashing in from good passes, Emidio Fernandes scored twice and Henry Fernandes completed the tally for Navelim. The highlight of the match was the consolation goal for Margao scored by its veteran Vincent D'Costa. The tournament was organised by Bahrain Goans and sponsored by Alpha Fire Services in memory of their employee Bab Peter, who expired in Bahrain last year due to a heart attack. Calangute bagged the fair play award and Biju Papachan was adjudged best player of the tournament. Sadanand Naik and Benaulim were given special prizes. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] We Need More Homegrown Software Pros in Goa-See Inspiring Story of Pune Lad
Hi Everyone, We need more homegrown engineering, software and management professionals in Goa - see inspiring story of a Pune lad Gangadhar Botla below - the son of a tailor - now turned software professional. In Goa today, underqualified Goan, Gaon Goon tailors hold positions of power as ministers in the state Government - for example Mickky Pacheco. Who is he inspiring ? More Goan Gaon Goons to follow him into politics ? That's got to change, if Goa aspires to shine like the rest of India in this global high tech economy ! Goanetters can argue about Demand & Supply Theories, Adam Smith and Keynesian economics till they are blue in the face - Without ambitious grass roots educational initiatives, we are leaving the door open for "Bhailles" (outsiders) to take over Goa and more uneducated Goan Gaon Goon tailors in the Goa Government ! Its about time that Goa's pioneering IITian-turned former CM Manohar Parrikar organize IIT and Engineering/Software career awareness seminar campaigns all over Goa ! There should be no opportunities for unqualified Goan Gaon Goons whether Christao or Kokne in the Goa Government !!! Best Regards, Dr. Carmo D'Cruz Goan, IITian - Class of 82 Indian Harbour Beach, Florida Tailor's son sews up software career Manjiri Damle [ 22 Jul, 2006 0054hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ] RSS Feeds| SMS NEWS to for latest updates PUNE: Four years ago he used to stitch buttons on to clothes tailored by his father and iron them in a 100-square-foot tenement in the Ghorpade Peth slum. Today, the same fingers are busy tapping on a computer keyboard, designing software in a swank office in the Information Technology Park in Hinjewadi here. It is sheer grit, determination and hard work that enabled Gangadhar Botla to attend night school, help his father tailor clothes, do a part-time job to support a family of six, study under street lights near the Ghorpade Peth crematorium, and secure a place in both the SSC and HSC merit list in 2001 and 2003. However, his most cherished dream of becoming a computer professional seemed impossible as the annual fees for the course was Rs 28,000 much beyond his means. But it was a story on Gangadhar's talent and his battle against poverty, published in The Times of India (June 6, 2003) that opened a door of opportunity for him. Touched by his struggle, Nitin Rai, chief executive officer of US firm First Insight Software Solutions Pvt. Ltd., decided to sponsor Gangadhar's education at Symbiosis Centre for Information Technology here. Aware that he had to do a part-time job to support his family, Rai also took him on as a trainee in his Hinjewadi office. Last week Gangadhar passed the Bachelor of Computer Application (BCA) course with 78 per cent marks. "I feel immensely proud of Gangadhar. He has not only excelled in academics but has proved to be a smart and loyal worker," remarked Rai. Gangadhar has been absorbed as a junior software engineer at First Insight. One look at Gangadhar's beaming face says it all. "Aai-Baba pan khush aahet (My parents are also happy)", he said. Father Nandu continues to be a small-time tailor, while mother Vijaya still makes bidis in a factory. He intends to work for a couple of years, then complete a masters degree. Said Rai, "Gangadhar has been assigned work on critical software development projects with a lot of responsibility. He is a fast learner and completes challenging projects with minimum supervision... I wonder how many Gangadhars would there be in Pune who need a little help." What really made Rai go out of his way to help Gangadhar? "My father had to suffer similar hardships when he came to Delhi from Pakistan after Partition," revealed Rai, who still gets emotional while recounting his father's struggles. "Gangadhar struck a cord in me... I wish to do it (help a deserving student) again," he concluded. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Rare collection for valuable readers
Rare collection for valuable readers BY A STAFF REPORTER | Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:23:55 IST=20 Celebrating 150 years, the University of Mumbai has organised an exhibition of 'Rare Books and Artifacts.' All the rare and ancient collections of books and photographs are placed at the Rajabhai Tower Library. This collection will be made available for public viewing from today to July 25 between 11 a.m. and 5 p.m. The exhibition will exhibit 'Peregrinatio Hierosolymitana Et Montis Sinai' which is the oldest book in the University Library. It was published in the year 1490 and was written by Bernhard Von Breydenbach.=20 Providing a description of a pilgrimage from Germany to Jerusalem this book is remarkable. Peregrinatio Hierosolymitana Et Montis Sinai is regarded as the first illustrated travel book. It contains the earliest known instance of the painter, Erhard Reuwich of Utrecht. The exhibition was opened yesterday, but only to the special invitees. Deepti Kale, an invitee at the exhibition, found it the concept of the exhibition very interesting. She suggested that the exhibition should be arranged more often. "It is unbelievable that such old books are still preserved. I think such exhibitions should be organised more often," said Deepti. "Besides, readers should also be allowed to read the books if they are interested," she added.=20 Looking concerned about the condition of these priced possessions Harish Patel, another invitee said, "No one should be allowed to touch these antiques. I haven't touched them myself. The books look delicate and won't remain in their present condition, forever. They will get damaged. The library authority should spend some money to laminate each page and then bind it." Other collections displayed include Robert Orme's 'History of Indostan', published in 1805. This book has interesting maps and a wealth of details about contemporary politics and social life. The exhibition also displayed the early translation of Bhagwat Gita by Charles Wilkins, published in 1785, 'A Narrative of the Battle against Tipoo Sultan' in 1792, a first hand account with maps showing battle positions. Also exhibited are: a book published in 1699, on the History of the Church of Santa Monica in Goa written in Portuguese, Thesaurus and Latin Turkish-Arabic-Persian Dictionary published in Vienna in 1687 among others. Aroon Tikekar's, The Cloister's Pale, a biography of the University of Mumbai is the only book for sale. The book will be sold at a discounted price of Rs 450. http://www.cybernoon.com/DisplayArticle.asp?section=3Dfromthepress&subsec= t ion=3Dinbombay&xfile=3DJuly2006_inbombay_standard10299 ~(^^)~ Avelino ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Delhi gets shaky on monorail
See http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=134836 The Financial Express Posted online: Saturday, July 22, 2006 at hours IST Delhi gets shaky on monorail NEW DELHI, JULY 21: The Delhi government's proposal of a monorail in time for the Commonwealth Games in 2010 may not see the light of the day. Confirming this, Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC) chief E Sreedharan said DMRC felt the monorail would not be feasible for the city. Speaking on the sidelines of a CII conference in the Capital on the Mass Rapid Transit System (MRTS), Sreedharan said the monorail would be unable to deal with the large number of people,who will come for the games. The proposed monorail was to cover 60 kilometre across Delhi and act as a feeder for the metro. At present, DMRC plans to start the east Delhi phase of the metro. It would start a few months before the games. Sreedharan said, "The 2nd phase of the Delhi Metro will have a 60 km connecting line between New Delhi railway station and the new airport. There will be a stoppage at Connaught Place where passengers will have the facility of checking in their luggage. The entire journey will take only about 15 minutes." He added that this too would be started in time for the Commonwealth Games. Regarding the Gurgaon phase of the Metro, Sreedharan said it was still pending with the group of ministers for approval. At the conference, Sreedharan said currently 26 cities in the country were at various stages of implementing the metro rail system at a cost of over Rs 31,000 crore. Other delegates at the conference included Konkan Railways MD KK Gokhale, chairman railway equipment division, CII and managing director, Titagarh Wagons JP Chowdhary and president and CEO of VAE Gmbh, Austria Marc Kaddoura. -- Google picks Goencar.com for Branded E-mail. Goa lovers around the globe may request their free @goencar.com e-mail addresses by writing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following information: * Your full name. * Desired ID (the you in [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Questions about hypocrisy
--- Joe Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >If you are asking - is it improper to pose questions >on any religion, (as a learning exercise,) my answer >would be no. However, it is improper to make >mockery of *any* religion, God/Jesus. That >constitutes clear abuse and is an indication that >such individuals derive intense pleasure in religion >bashing, -- mocking *religion* and *peoples >religious beliefs*. > The above statement leads one to ask a couple of interesting questions about hypocrisy. Is it OK to circulate a chicken crossing joke about the Buddha on Goanet? How about copying and pasting on this list another one ridiculing the beliefs of a professor who does not belong to any religion adequately represented here? Do these actions represent clear abuse? Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Apparently we have "spokespersons" on Goanet
I would have to agree with Joe here! Apparently questioning communalism, the use of violence and the support of secularism can be construed as being disrespectful of religion - but only when it applies to christianity. Looks like we do indeed have self appointed spokespersons for all Christians on goanet. One calls himself a cafeteria catholic but continues to hurl abuses at the late Pope John Paul. The other denies that the Inquisition ever occured in Goa and in fact claims that Christians were subject to a genocide in India. Last but not least, the third of this unholy trinity, oops triad supports the use of violence to protect the values of his religion. Marlon --- Joe Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Elisabeth Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >I have not seen one scintilla of evidence that > Santosh or Cornel have been > >disrespectful of other religions ... > > > Elizabeth: > > Just so you know, there is tons of evidence of the > blatant abuse by the > first individual you mention above. Only one has to > visit the Goanet > archives, to get a gist of how disrespectful this > individual has > historically been toward peoples religion and their > religious beliefs. > > It is amazing how netters can be oblivious and allow > that kind of abuse on > the forum. I dont think Gilbert and Mario are the > only people who are > alarmed by the ignominious tirade perpetuated by > such individuals. > > Joe Vaz ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa news for July 22, 2006
Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Goa govt to crack down on foreigners buying land (The Economic Times) GOA: The Goa government will come down heavily on foreigners illegally purchasing property in Goa, in connivance with locals. Official statistics show that 482 foreigners have purchased land in Goa; while the exact number of violators is yet to be ascertained. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1784346.cms *** Alva to hold meeting with coalition partners in Goa (New Kerala) Panaji: All India Congress Committee General Secretary and Goa-incharge Margaret Alva would meet coalition partners in the state government during her two-day visit beginning today. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=25668 *** All Goa household to be connected with capital thru broadband (New Kerala) Panaji, Jul 19: Every household in Goa would be connected to the state capital through common broadband based state-wide area network by the end of next year, state Information Technology Minister Dayanand Narvekar told the state Legislative Assembly today. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=25460 *** All-India open chess in north Goa from August 6 (New Kerala) Panaji: Eleven International Masters, including a Woman International Master, will participate in the Hirabai Salgaoncar FIDE-rated All-India open chess tournament to be held in north Goa between August 6 and 13. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=25895 *** Goa Minister assures probe into Kadamba Transport activities (New Kerala) Panaji: Under severe criticism from Opposition on the floor of the House, Goa Transport Minister Pandurang Madkaikar, today assured that an inquiry would be conducted into the affairs of boards of state-government run Kadamba Transport Corporation Limited (KTCL). http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=25902 *** Rs 18.91 lakh spent on Scheduled Tribe students in Goa (New Kerala) Panaji: The Goa government has spent Rs 18.91 lakh on honing the skills of students belonging to Scheduled Tribes, Social Welfare Minister Subhash Shirodkar told the state assembly today. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=25838 *** Goa to promote local vegetable and flower cultivation (New Kerala) Panaji: Goa government will promote cultivation of local vegetables and flowers by providing financial assistance to farmers through Goa State Horticulture Development Corporation (GSHDC), Agriculture Minister Fransisco Pacheco said. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=26501 *** Three foreign footballers report for U-20 camp in Goa (New Kerala) New Delhi: The search for talented foreign footballers who wish to represent the country at the international level received a boost with three youngsters of Indian origin joining the junior camp in Goa today. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=26471 *** Goa put on alert (Navhind Times) Panaji, July 21: The Chief Secretary, Mr J P Singh has said that a general alert has been sounded in Goa along with a few other states. In view of this, the state police are working out a plan to strengthen intelligence network so as to tighten security around vital installations. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=072225 *** Three foreign footballers report for U-20 camp in Goa (Outlook India) The search for talented foreign footballers who wish to represent the country at the international level received a boost with three youngsters of Indian origin joining the junior camp in Goa today. http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=400653 Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] LANDED PROPERTIES ACQUIRED BY FOREIGNERS IN GOA./response to Fred
Dear Elizabeth, How right you are when you say all these things. However, I must draw your kind attention to the fact that we at goasuraj have pre-empted you in your suggested remedy by putting down in writing the same solutions you have talked about and more in our much boasted about ROAD MAP FOR GOA Chapter [ XVI] EMPLOYMENT & LABOUR. You are welcome to suggest any further improvement over what we have already said to make this remedy more perfect. Ofcourse, with your valued comments. However, you must be prepared to hear from otherwise all round experts that this is NOT PRACTICABLE. At goasuraj we believe that anything is possible, since we strongly believe in the adage 'WHERE THERE IS WILL - THERE IS A WAY' rgds floriano goasuraj [Say No to 2nd. Term for MLAs] [Say No to Outside High Commands] [Goans please learn to say emphatic NO to BULLSHIT dished out as everyday fare by our politicians] - Original Message - From: "Elisabeth Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] LANDED PROPERTIES ACQUIRED BY FOREIGNERS IN GOA./response to Fred > Dear Fred, > That was exactly my point. Limitless migration. > > Mario G.'s contention that there is no solution to the > labour component of industry except in response to a > total free market principle of demand and supply, is > not entirely true. > > Suppose we look at the Gulf model of labour supply. > There, the casual day labourer does not exist. Let's > examine what is happening in Goa today. An early > morning drive through the major towns of Vasco and > Margao, will reveal hordes of workers milling about > waiting to be picked up by construction companies on a > daily wage basis. > > This model serves no one's purpose other than free > enterprise left to buy labour at the lowest rate > possible. Which, proponents of the free market will > argue is wonderful. But what does it do? It > continually depresses the wage-rate. It offers no > protection, either in health care terms, injury on the > job, compensation for time-off, or any other sort of > insurance for the worker. In addition, in Goa, these > workers are left to provide themselves with makeshift > accommodation near the work site, which leads to > defecation near rivers, pollution, etc, etc. Soon, we > hae a whole shanty town. > > Suppose, we had labour contracting companies. Yes, the > hideous middle-man. Suppose companies that required > labour were obligated to tender for contractual labour > through these companies. This would guarantee a > minimum sustainable wage-rate for the labour, make it > mandatory on the contracting company to provide > accommodation, sanitation and other health-care to its > workers. Give preference to Goan labour, and import > into Goa to meet demand requirements. > > Furthermore, we won't have excess labour which then > fritters its energies into unwanted criminal > activities. > > What do you think of this suggestion. It might be > Utopian in concept, but is it workable? Would like to > hear your views on it. > > Elisabeth > > > --- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Finally, I am not a fan of limitless migration as > > some have sought to > > suggest. What I've been pointing to is that the > > current round of Goan > > chauvinism that has become the dominant ideology for > > many, is filled > > with contradictions and questionable > > presuppositions. What I find > > particularly galling is the fact that the poor > > migrants are targeted, > > while the affluent are welcomed with open arms. > > This, to me, shows a > > clear class bias. Sometimes racism. --FN ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] NRIs and Family Values
There is this story of a NRG who came to Goa on a two week vacation from Florida after 12 years. He complained endlessly to the relatives he was staying with that Goa was noisy, dirty, smelly, disgusting and primitive and he would never visit Goa again. When he returned to the States an office colleague asked him if he had enjoyed his vacation. He beamed and told his friend of his experiences. The people were very friendly and welcoming. Everyone took an interest in him and even people outside the village showed signs of recognition when they saw him again. But particularly heart-warming was the way even distant members rallied round to welcome him. He said, "The concept of the Family is alive and kicking in Goa, not like here. I just cannot wait to go back next Christmas." What are the family values that make our State so special? It is that we cherish not only our extended family and neighbours but everyone we meet, even on a casual basis. Why is it that foreigners want a slice of our land and move to Goa? Every visitor to Goa, whether it be from Mumbai or Manchester or Miami is full of praise of the Goan ambience. It is not only because Goa is cheap - Goa appeals not only to mechanics but also to millionaires. Everyone wants to be part of us. Can you blame them? We are such a friendly and family oriented society that even dacoits and terrorists regard us as soft targets. Family values are changing globally. True, they are changing in Goa too, but the pace is slow compared to the West. When Goans emigrate to the Emirates or to England or elsewhere they have problems adjusting. Every society feels the need to preserve its culture, traditions and family values. For generations, Indians have emigrated abroad in search of employment, opportunities and a better standard of living. Wherever they have settled, Goans have felt the need to pass on their culture and traditions to their children and have tended to band together, initially forming a community association or club. Their values have tended to include: Raising their children in a stable environment with respect for elders. Religious practice and a sound moral background. A good education with an eye to a prestigious and profitable career. A good social environment where the community could get together and youngsters would be in an environment where suitable marriage partnerships could be nurtured. The language issue has never been a focal point and a couple of generations of NRI Goans have grown up not knowing or being able to speak their mother tongue. More emphasis was placed on being proficient and therefore speaking at home, a Western language (usually that of their adopted country) and Goans have always been good at integrating (up to appoint) with the host community. In the 21st Century we could say that this is the norm. On the other hand, many youngsters are developing an interest in their parents' mother country and language and are becoming more aware and proud of their ethnic origins. Goans are known for making an attempt to keep in touch with their roots and for visiting Goa - some more frequently than others. With global interest in food and cultures, Goan food has come into its own with restaurants springing up worldwide and also being kept alive in the home. So, although the modern Goan NRI has settled abroad for several generations, we can say that culture and family values tied to it is very much alive, though in a form combine with the values of the adoptive country, taking the best of both worlds, you might say. These include: Respect for the family, including the elderly. A good civic sense Respect for the values of the host country Respect and value for humanity The expat Goans in some countries abroad, look on their sojourn there as a temporary measure - a necessity, that once fulfilled, will enable them to return to Goa. Others regard Goa with nostalgia, but to all practical purposes, regard themselves as citizens of their adoptive country and themselves as being there to stay. What is becoming increasingly evident is the need for a support network which the family can use.Traditionally this has been one of the cornerstones of the Goan family where the ties are close and commitment is a strong factor. However, the way of life abroad has changed a great deal since the last generation. Women have a different role to play often combining the duties of running a household with the demands of pursuing a career. This has had an impact on family life and values with responsibilities shared by all members of the family unit. It is sad to note that the NRG, both the older and the younger generation have problems. The first generation emigrant has had to work hard to build a strong economic base for the family.The younger generation is faced with pressures to conform to an alien culture in order not to stick out like a sore thumb. What are the solutions to the problem? However, a common deno
Re: [Goanet] We Need More Homegrown Software Pros in Goa-See Inspiring Story of Pune Lad
We need concrete action rather than just internet posts. It is necessary to work with people in Goa, follow up, do what is necessary. This is a continuous process that requires frequent visits to Goa, and a lot of ground level effort. And I doubt if it is possible to do that sitting in Florida. regards, Samir --- CARMO DCRUZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > We need more homegrown engineering, software and > management professionals in > Goa - see inspiring story of a Pune lad Gangadhar > Botla below - the son of a > tailor - now turned software professional. > > In Goa today, underqualified Goan, Gaon Goon tailors > hold positions of power > as ministers in the state Government - for example > Mickky Pacheco. Who is he > inspiring ? More Goan Gaon Goons to follow him into > politics ? That's got to > change, if Goa aspires to shine like the rest of > India in this global high > tech economy ! > > Goanetters can argue about Demand & Supply Theories, > Adam Smith and > Keynesian economics till they are blue in the face - > Without ambitious grass > roots educational initiatives, we are leaving the > door open for "Bhailles" > (outsiders) to take over Goa and more uneducated > Goan Gaon Goon tailors in > the Goa Government ! > > Its about time that Goa's pioneering IITian-turned > former CM Manohar > Parrikar organize IIT and Engineering/Software > career awareness seminar > campaigns all over Goa ! There should be no > opportunities for unqualified > Goan Gaon Goons whether Christao or Kokne in the Goa > Government !!! > > Best Regards, > > Dr. Carmo D'Cruz > Goan, IITian - Class of 82 > Indian Harbour Beach, Florida > > > > Tailor's son sews up software career > Manjiri Damle > [ 22 Jul, 2006 0054hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ] > > RSS Feeds| SMS NEWS to for latest updates > > PUNE: Four years ago he used to stitch buttons on to > clothes tailored by his > father and iron them in a 100-square-foot tenement > in the Ghorpade Peth > slum. > > Today, the same fingers are busy tapping on a > computer keyboard, designing > software in a swank office in the Information > Technology Park in Hinjewadi > here. > > It is sheer grit, determination and hard work that > enabled Gangadhar Botla > to attend night school, help his father tailor > clothes, do a part-time job > to support a family of six, study under street > lights near the Ghorpade Peth > crematorium, and secure a place in both the SSC and > HSC merit list in 2001 > and 2003. > > However, his most cherished dream of becoming a > computer professional seemed > impossible as the annual fees for the course was Rs > 28,000 much beyond his > means. > > But it was a story on Gangadhar's talent and his > battle against poverty, > published in The Times of India (June 6, 2003) that > opened a door of > opportunity for him. Touched by his struggle, Nitin > Rai, chief executive > officer of US firm First Insight Software Solutions > Pvt. Ltd., decided to > sponsor Gangadhar's education at Symbiosis Centre > for Information Technology > here. > > Aware that he had to do a part-time job to support > his family, Rai also took > him on as a trainee in his Hinjewadi office. Last > week Gangadhar passed the > Bachelor of Computer Application (BCA) course with > 78 per cent marks. > > "I feel immensely proud of Gangadhar. He has not > only excelled in academics > but has proved to be a smart and loyal worker," > remarked Rai. Gangadhar has > been absorbed as a junior software engineer at First > Insight. > > One look at Gangadhar's beaming face says it all. > "Aai-Baba pan khush aahet > (My parents are also happy)", he said. Father Nandu > continues to be a > small-time tailor, while mother Vijaya still makes > bidis in a factory. > > He intends to work for a couple of years, then > complete a masters degree. > Said Rai, "Gangadhar has been assigned work on > critical software development > projects with a lot of responsibility. > > He is a fast learner and completes challenging > projects with minimum > supervision... I wonder how many Gangadhars would > there be in Pune who need > a little help." What really made Rai go out of his > way to help Gangadhar? > > "My father had to suffer similar hardships when he > came to Delhi from > Pakistan after Partition," revealed Rai, who still > gets emotional while > recounting his father's struggles. "Gangadhar struck > a cord in me... I wish > to do it (help a deserving student) again," he > concluded. > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Clarification on the St. Xavier's Society in Tanzania
Hi Cornel, Mervyn n Rene ! After Tanganyika ( now Tanzania Mainland) got its independence from Britain, the new government decided that organizations and institutions should not use ethnic names. Hence, the Dar es Salaam-based Goan Community Organization which catered to the broad welfare of goans in Tanganyika, changed its name to Saint Xavier's Society. Likewise, the name of the Goan School also in Dar es Salaam was also changed to Saint Xavier's School. The same rule applied to Zanzibar after it merged with Tangantika on April 26,1964 to form Tanzania. Hence, I believe the existence of a Saint Xavier's Society on the clove island. and Cornel, not to be mistaken with the Saint Francis Xavier's Tailors Society which was formed after tailors and all other goans who had studied below Grade (Standard) 10, were barred from joining goan clubs in the major cities and towns in East Africa. These included shoemakers, auto (motor) mechanics and fisherwomen. It had a two-pronged approach for as I have stated in my previous postings on this website, it was also aimed at the local africans- very few of whom (mainly christians from Christian High (Secondary) school) studied beyond Grade ten. However, many goans who served on these clubs' committees will give you a different version . They state that the club barred them and their kids- mainly sons as they spoke crude konkani, used a lot of profanity -(curse language) and stirred trouble and fights during social events. And the tailors celebrated the feast of Saint Francis of Xavier with a great dance "splash" on the feast day- December 3. Strangely enough, some of these very committee members used to attend the functions. This also goes to state why goan clubs in East Africa never celebrated the feast. As for the Goan Gymkhana Club in Nairobi, membership was restricted to the "cream" de "creme"- the "Touchables" Brahmins. And after membership was opened following Kenya's December 1963 independence, subtle forms of prejudice by brahmins continued to prevail. As also stated in my previous postings on the same subject, it was very apparent at dances when brahmin girls would refuse to dance with non-brahmin boys, and brahmin boys would not dance with non-brahmin girls- even though they studied with them from Grade 1 thru to Grade 12. Tony Barros. Union, New Jersey. U . S . A . __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Ban on tourists to the St. Francis Xavier's Basilica in Old Goa.
The Basilica is a place of veneration and has to be respected. On the other hand it is a national museum and people of all faiths have a right to visit. It would therefore be a constructive approach if the management provides brochures in different languages so that the tourist know the behavior pattern. The same implies for the temples in Mardol and other parts of Goa. The tourist guides all over the world tend to overdo and sometimes do provide the wrong information; it would therefore be up to the management to provide trained tourist guides for the conducted tours inside the church. Tom de Sousa, Hong ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Tours banned from Xavier Basilica, guides upset
i am a Goan in England, & I thirst for Goa news.Your write up on TOURS BAN FROM THE BASILICA made very interesting reading. Gemma -- Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] INDIAN FOOTBALL TEAM FOR 2010
Could we see a new vibrant, energetic , talented football team from India which can represent the World cup at 2010 in South Africa. There are so many young and experienced players who can create wonders, reputable companies will definetely sponsor should the concerned authorities think positive of setting up a team. We have watched Brazil, Portugal , Argentina at this years World cup , can't indians come up with team which we all could feel proudn of? We see some young boys playing in the paddy fields or grounds and some of them are very talented but lack proper training, its time we put our heads together get all the football teams re-organised and think positive of sending an indian team for the WORLD CUP 2010. India will be proud , we will be proud to be Indians and all the young football players can now look upon fulfilling their dreams of being a player representing our mother land internationally. Hope there wont be critics to this article, i wouldn't mind critics if people get together and come up with a solution rather than criticising for the sake of it. Bonefacio ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] HIV AIDS AWARENESS IN GOA
What is the HIV/AIDS infected rate in GOA or for that matter India? Do we have HIV/AIDS awarness in the form of discussion and education with the sex workers?? Bonefacio ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] LANDED PROPERTIES ACQUIRED BY FOREIGNERS IN GOA./response to Fred
This is a very brief response to Fred's outcry for the well being of migrant
poor.
Fred must remember that India, as a whole, of which Goa is a part of, is
full of BPL millions. Does Goa have the obligation to cater to the well
being of them all??? in exculsion of our own BPLs??
On property purchased by foreigners and outsiders in Goa, Fred must try to
purchase a piece of land in Himachal Pradesh or in Jharkand perphaps.
On real estate: I cannot blame Fred for being over suspicious of people like
me playing dual role, that of a politicians and a real estate developer. But
Fred must realise that my business feed me and not the politicis I
subscribe to.
I shall give an example here. If I have a property that a foreigner or a non
goan wants to purchase from me, I shall certainly sell it to him for ten
times the current price without any qualms, whatsoever. But I shall observe
all the norms and procedures laid down by the government of the day without
seeking to cut corners. Furthermore, as a politician, I shall want to
change these laws which allows me to sell my property to a foreigner or a
non-goan so I cannot sell it to non-goans, thereby cutting my own feet.
This, of course will be very difficult for Fred to digest. And I know it.
cheers
floriano
goasuraj
[Say No to 2nd. Term for MLAs]
[Say No to Outside High Commands]
[Goans please learn to say emphatic NO to BULLSHIT dished out as everyday
fare by our politicians]
- Original Message -
From: "Frederick "FN" Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] LANDED PROPERTIES ACQUIRED BY FOREIGNERS IN
GOA./response to Fred
> Personally I have no problem with playing the market and accepting its
> harsh rules, including intense competition, and unfair recompense for
> the equal work -- provided it is fairly applied to *all* the means of
> production, i.e. land, capital, knowledge *and* labour. (Why don't
> champions of the free market talk about a free global market for
> labour? Just because it doesn't serve their interest?)
>
> What I was pointing out to Floriano is that a party such as his, which
> has what it calls a "Goans first" (read: discrimination based on
> ethnicity) policy, can't take a dual standard on this. It can't call
> for blocks on the labour market ("non-Goans", particularly the poor)
> and then take a soft line when it comes to real-estate speculation and
> land-dealings, because at this point of time it is (perhaps wrongly)
> seen as benefitting Goans wanting to make a fast buck out of it.
>
> I am willing to go in for a market based on a policy of autarky ("An
> autarky is an economy that limits trade with the outside world, or an
> ecosystem not affected by influences from its outside, and relies
> entirely on its own resources. In the economic meaning, it is also
> referred to as a closed economy."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autarky). But here too, we need a fair
> set of rules for all, not arbitrary rules which are convenient to us.
>
> Finally, I am not a fan of limitless migration as some have sought to
> suggest. What I've been pointing to is that the current round of Goan
> chauvinism that has become the dominant ideology for many, is filled
> with contradictions and questionable presuppositions. What I find
> particularly galling is the fact that the poor migrants are targeted,
> while the affluent are welcomed with open arms. This, to me, shows a
> clear class bias. Sometimes racism. --FN
>
> On 19/07/06, Elisabeth Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Dear Frederick,
>
> > The situation with land is precisely the same as it is
> > with labour. Simple demand and supply. While you have
> > no wish to restrict the unmitigated inflow of labour
> > into Goa, you seem keen on restricting the sale of
> > land to foreigners. Goans in Goa will definitely not
> > be able to afford land in Goa anymore, because whether
> > it is foreigners buying it, rich out-of-state Indians
> > or huge hotel chains, the price of land will be
> > determined by its demand and supply.
> >
> > Since, demand is high and supply is restricted, prices
> > are bound to sky-rocket. Are you suggesting an embargo
> > on the sale of land because it disadvantages the
> > native Goan? Me thinks, two sets of principles cannot
> > apply to the same economic situation. You're either a
> > Keynesian or an Adam Smith. Betwixt the two lies
> > nothing.
> >
> > Elisabeth
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Re: [Goanet] We Need More Homegrown Software Pros in Goa-See Inspiring Story of Pune Lad
We need concrete action rather than just internet posts. It is necessary to work with people in Goa, follow up, do what is necessary. This is a continuous process that requires frequent visits to Goa, and a lot of ground level effort. And I doubt if it is possible to do that sitting in Florida. regards, Samir ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] We Need More Homegrown Software Pros in Goa-See Inspiring Story of Pune Lad
Hi Samir, Obviously you appear to be a Maharashtrawadi supporter who appears to have no interest in the betterment and greater glory of Goa. For the past 6 decades and even before, We Goans have become a globally dispersed and well-networked community. Most Maharashtrians and others have been venturing abroad en masse only since the 90s or later. Our global disapora of Christao and Kokne Goans will sure help - we need to get the Goan Gaon Goons out of the Government, out of the way and start grass-roots educational initiatives in Goa. The present government is already taking steps in that direction. We dont need to create another bureaucracy to promote such initiatives in Goa. We also have a number of IITians, engineers, doctors, management executives and other professionals among us Goans who are willing to help out our home state. We dont need pessimists and nay-sayers from Maharashtra, Karnataka etc. to kill our ambitious initiatives. If you have read the attached article, we also need a few more "God-father - Entrepreneurs" like Mr. Nitin Rai to give a head-start to our Goan Youth. In the Goan-Christao society all Goan Christaos have an official God-father (aka Padrinho) assigned to them at baptism - we just need to make sure that these god-fathers are educated, enterprising and entrepreneurial enough to be in a position to inspire and help out like Mr. Rai. Unlike other states (except for a few pockets / Catholic enclaves), we Goan Christaos already have a built-in supportive infrastructure for a high-tech engineering entrepreneurship economy that needs to be exploited for the greater good of Goa. The Kokne Goan youngsters should be on the look-out for such supportive God-fathers in the local community. Do you want to be a god-father to a promising, aspiring Goan youngster ? Let me know. Do you have a positive, optimistic outlook for the future of Goa in this global high-tech economy ? - These would be the very basic pre-requisites for any aspiring God-father. Best Regards, Dr. Carmo D'Cruz, Goan, IITian - Class of 1982 Indian Harbour Beach, Florida >From: Samir Kelekar > >We need concrete action rather than just internet >posts. It is necessary to work with people in Goa, >follow up, do what is necessary. This is a >continuous process that requires frequent visits >to Goa, and a lot of ground level effort. > And I doubt if >it is possible to do that sitting in Florida. > >regards, >Samir ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] o Senhor Juan Sintilla and Santoshbab + other lies
1: Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: that Santosh or Cornel have been disrespectful of OTHER religions ...> 2: Joe Vaz wrote :< Just so you know, there is tons of evidence of the blatant abuse by the first individual you mention above. Only one has to visit the Goanet archives, to get a gist of how disrespectful this individual has historically been toward peoples RELIGION and their RELIGIOUS BELIEFS > 3: Mervyn Lobo wrote: < Joe Vaz, Santosh has never abused any religious BELIEVER on this forum. Prove it here or withdraw the lie you have made.> jc's comment: Unless Elisabeth Carvalho meant Juan Sintilla when she wrote 'One Scintilla' , Joe Vaz has pointed a finger at Santoshbab. It would be nice to get a confirmation from Joe Vaz - IF a visit to the Goanet archives (when they are once again available) will reveal Santoshbab's "blatant abuse" of Catholicism or just a critical view of superstitious and unproven dogma? - Will he please direct us to the appropriate URL ? As far as I know, Santoshbab will only believe "Miracles" when he "Sees Them". Most scientists (rightly or wrongly) are skeptics. They demand proof before they will accept anything. Just to give an example: Suppose I believe (I actually do not) that Gajjar Halwa or Chameleon blood or Disht is good treatment for Asthma - and do not provide proof their benefit, could I reasonably expect Santoshbab or Joe Vaz to believe that statement? And suppose, I then stand up and state that Juan Sintilla, Santoshbab or Joe Vaz are blatantly abusive of my belief, would I be correct? I agree with Mervyn, those who LIE about others on a public forum, must withdraw the lie on that public forum. Sure, you could have made an error - but please do not compound it by trying to do the Bharata Natyam round the lie. In keeping with recent precedents, I suppose that Joe Vaz could still tell us that what he wrote was His Opinion about Santoshbab, and that It Was His Right to Have an Opinion. If So Do direct us PLEASE to the post(s) on GoaNet which helped you make that Opinion. Let the rest of us be the judge (by way of PUBLIC EXPRESSION) to the fact or fiction of your charge against Santoshbab. sincerely jc = Recent Unwithdrawn Lies on Goa Net 1. when asked to publicly identify the GUYS who HE (Fred Noronha) says " propound this colonialism-started-in-1961 theory" Fred Noronha wrote on GoaNet May 31 2006: those Colaco types. Bernardo, Paulo and Jose, for instance. > JC unequivocally DENIES ever having WRITTEN / SAID / THOUGHT that "colonialism-started-in-1961" (in Goa or anywhere else) === 2. Cornel da Costa wrote June 14 2006 on GoaNet that Jose claimed "that Goa needed Portugal to protect it from fellow Indians" JC unequivocally DENIES ever having WRITTEN / SAID / THOUGHT /CLAIMED that "Goa needed Portugal to protect it from fellow Indians" please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Chorao Consumer Forum to meet on Sunday 23rd July
--- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED, The time is come for the people of Goa to ORGANISE not AGONISE !! -- Chorao Consumer Forum to meet on Sunday 23rd July The Chorao Civic and Consumer Forum will have its monthly meeting of consumers on Sunday 23rd July 2006 at 4.30pm at Smt.Lalita Mahale Memorial Hall, Pandavaddo, Chorao. Among the issues to be discussed are proposals & resolutions for the forthcoming Gram Sabha of the Chodan-Madel Village Panchayat, use of Right to Information Act 2005, misuse of LPG & kerosene short supply, service related problems of BSNL Telephones, Post Office, Ferry Boats, Electricity and PWD water supply, preparation of Senior Citizens Identity Cards and any other consumers complaints. Consumers of Chorao are invited to attend the meeting and participate in the deliberations. - Press Release from Esperance Rodrigues (Convenor) Chorao Civic and Consumer Forum - --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Religious Bickering
am a 22yr eng student studying in india,and i find that the quality of the post is decreasing day by day mainly due to dicussions or more like debates on religious issues Raymond Silveira Image by FlamingText.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Micky slapped JE on his face..
Minister Micky Pachecho slapped Electricity Junior Engineer on his face. 15/7/06 Besides abusing him , Mr. Natekar (JE) also alleged that Micky Stuck him on his face. -Micky called the JE in his office where the incident took place. -The JE has filed police complaint. -300 Electricity Dept. Emgineers observed pen-down strike on 18th July. -Engineers met the Chief Minister and demanded arrest of Mr. Pacheco for physically assaulting, threatening and abusing the engineer, Mr. Kapil Natekar. -Engineers forum also demanded that Micky should either dismissed by the govt or Mr. Pacheco should himself quit the cabinet. -Opposition and UGDP parties also want action against Micky. -Engineers forum now give deadline to Govt (CM and Power Minister) a period of fifteen days till August 4 (bearing in mind the Goa Assembly in session etc). However, Micky denied slapping. Now, how would you say it in Konkani 'Micky slapped him' ? Mikin tacher tapott marlem Mikin tacher tapott xeuttilem Mikin tacher sann' kon dilem Mikin tacher vazoilem . [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Konkani: Demand before Margaret Alva
On behalf of Kuwait Konknni Kendr and all the Kuwaitkars who have strongly supported the cause of Konkani, I applaud the delegation that met and discussed the issue of Roman Script Konkani with Margareth Alva. We at KKK and in Kuwait strongly support this move for the cause of Roman Script Konkani. The President Elvino Rodrigues and Vice President Mario Rebello of Kuwait Konknni Kendr are already in Goa and if any assistance is required from our side, they can be contacted. Let this move of ours continue on till victory is attained. We should be bold enough even to go to Delhi and meet with the top Congress leaders since Congressmen in Goa are trying to shift the issue to High Command. We at KKK on our part are already in touch with Congress leaders in Delhi thru our contacts. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait Konknni Kendr, Kuwait. From: Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" To: Goanet CC: Bosco - Goanet Volunteer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Konkani: Demand before Margaret Alva Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 22:07:14 +0530 Stroke Roman says Wilmix _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Moral codes - Response to Bosco
Since Bosco added my name to Mario's, let me piggy back my thoughts to what Mario has written. As he said, we have different writing and thought styles and on many occasions, different perspectives. Mario with his wide repertoire of knowledge, his tremendous computer skills, and the time he is willing to spend to educate us with long posts (thank God - albeit this is due to his retired status), can overwhelm us with information. Many Goans may not like that - seeing another smart Goan. I would like to emphasize on what I think is Mario's main point and the main disconnect with Santosh. When one belongs to a recognized and well-defined group, there are codes of membership. MORE IMPORTANTLY, there is internal policing by the group members. This is as opposed to individuals (in this case atheists) who can make their own rules to suit their own IMMEDIATE purpose; or be in and out of a group OF THEIR CHOICE to meet their INDIVIDUAL lifestyle, moral values and thought-processes. Many Catholics wish they had that luxury of options - cafeteria. But unfortunately we don’t. A lot of members even leave the Church (using fake-sophisticated reasons), because the Church is too conservative and strict. Thus a Catholic HAS TO do simple things like attend church on Sundays, and in today's topsy-turvy world (where as one example, divorce is the norm), live a restrictive life-style. Within the Goan context, pre-1960 (nothing to do with colonialism) society in Goa and its Diaspora was policed by family and elders (social and religious), using AGE-OLD Moral and Religion codes (not the same). Today, in Goa and in the West, these two codes are / should be thrown out of the window, as we see by Santosh's articulate reasoning. Today, we just have Civil and Criminal codes ENFORCED by a police force and a court (justice) system. Yet, moral behavior cannot be legislated and enforced. So society (youth and adults) in many respects is spinning out of control, in spite of our increased academic and social-economic advancements. Partly because of these advancements, we think we are smart to "pick and choose" what is good / convenient for us - for NOW! This is the argument between Mario and Santosh, and what "The rock solid moral code" signifies for current and future Goan society. So Bosco, there is a lot more to this debate than meets the eye. It is not the "rock solid Christian moral codes" (list of 5-7-10-20-100) that is being named and debated. But rather the enforcement of these moral codes by society, that is being debated. As a real-time example, nobody from the atheistic camp rebuked Kevin for his anti-Church and anti-Jesus remarks. For this group, these remarks are part of "no scintilla of evidence of anti-Catholic bias". This in spite of their recent claim of, "No virtue in chauvinism and self-righteousness". If a Catholic or Hindu had made the similar remarks, he'd be nailed to the wall by our own community associates, and rightly so! Kind Regards, GL Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Members of morally based groups, by definition, sign on to the group's moral code, many of which have been established over centuries of experience. For example, Christians have the Golden Rule and the Ten Commandments. Sai Baba has a good one too. Everyone knows what these are. Even if some members violate these, the rules themselves remain "moral" or "rock solid". In addition, there is group pressure for each individual to conform, and consequences if they don't which depend on the severity of the violation. Thus there are some checks and balances on each member. Do you disagree with any of this? --- Bosco D'Mello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mario/Gilbert - What are these "rock solid Christian moral codes" that you > two are trying to defend? Could you both kindly list them. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] My challenge
Hi Santosh I want to make clear that I am opposed to censorship in principle. Cornel - Original Message - From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: [Goanet] My challenge > --- Joe Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, to my great delight, > copied and pasted, as usual, the following: > >> Santosh Helekar wrote: >> On Thu Aug 14, 2003 10:39 pm >> Subject: [Goanet]Satanic Verses >> >> > to any censorship or ban of Satanic Verses or any >>other religious parody in this public forum.> >> --Santosh Helekar. >> > > I am happy and proud to say that I firmly and > vehemently stand by my above assertion. > > I challenge the above character or any other member of > this forum who advocates censorship of this nature to > have the courage to speak out and defend > himself/herself here, now. Let us see how many > Goanetters out of the ~7000 or ~1 support such > action, and on what basis. Let us see what kind of > freedom we want for ourselves. > > Cheers, > > Santosh > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Clarification on the St. Xavier's Society in Tanzania
Hi Tony I always find your posts ever so helpful as I learn so much new each time. Many thanks. I'd like to make one observational comment on the point you made that " brahmin girls would refuse to dance with non-brahmin boys, and brahmin boys would not dance with non-brahmin girls even though they studied with them from Grade 1 thru to Grade 12." In Greater London something unusual happened re the above, for a relatively short while in the early and mid 1960s. Many young Goan men and women had moved here from East Africa while their parents were to arrive at a later date, that is, after their children had settled down and minimally obtained satisfactory jobs and accommodation in that order. Also, the parents generally stayed in East Africa for as long as possible to wind up affairs there. The young men and women who arrived from a very sociable East Africa to London first, were very lonely initially. Their only respite, of sorts, was the regular Goan/Church social/dance scene in which I was significantly involved. I had arrived here among the earliest Goans to do so. What I (ex Mombasa) and my two Goan sociologist friends (ex Nairobi and ex Kampala) observed is that because of the absence of the parents as 'minders' the young men and women, you describe above, found themselves pretty unconstrained over who they socialised and danced with. In turn, the non-brahmin young men had a 'field day' in that the girls who had been entirely beyond their reach in East Africa, were now well and truly tucked closely in their arms, particularly when slow romantic dance numbers were played. In many ways, this illustrates that caste consciousness is largely transmitted through mother's milk and an eagle eye after that, as the ofspring grow up. That it is distinctly racist seems to escape many a Catholic Goan and even Goan Catholic clergy today. It exists in subtle, but declining intensity within the Goan Diaspora now, but is pretty endemic and overt in Goa despite vocal and written protestation, against this view, by those who wish to deny its existence and persistence for a variety of reasons. A simple look at the daily Herald Newspaper, in Goa, indicates how real caste is among Catholic Goans especially when it comes to the time of marriage. In the short while when young Goan men and women were "unconstrained" in London by the beady eyes of their parents, often carrying their old caste baggage with them, I am aware that romances across old divides blossomed. However, as soon as the parents began arriving in London, these personal romances generally got curtailed and Goan village associations became institutionalised-- some were clearly village/caste based. Thankfully, some village caste associations are now low on social attendance as the young people are increasingly integrated into cosmopolitan London, and not only NOT marrying within the community (let alone within the Goa village affiliation of their parents), but are doing so well outside such old constraints. Many an older patriarchal and matriarchal Goan, still dying to maintain a kind of caste 'purity' knows virtually nothing about the unrestrained freedom enjoyed by their young folk when they had the opportunity to do so as illustrated above. The departed from among this group might yet turn in their graves! Cornel DaCosta, London, UK. - Original Message - From: "Tony Barros" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:25 AM Subject: [Goanet] Clarification on the St. Xavier's Society in Tanzania > Hi Cornel, Mervyn n Rene ! > > After Tanganyika ( now Tanzania Mainland) got its independence > from Britain, the new government decided that organizations and > institutions should not use ethnic names. > > Hence, the Dar es Salaam-based Goan Community Organization which > catered to the broad welfare of goans in Tanganyika, changed its name > to Saint Xavier's Society. > > Likewise, the name of the Goan School also in Dar es Salaam was also > changed to Saint Xavier's School. The same rule applied to Zanzibar > after it merged with Tangantika on April 26,1964 to form Tanzania. > Hence, I believe the existence of a Saint Xavier's Society on the > clove island. > > and Cornel, not to be mistaken with the Saint Francis Xavier's > Tailors Society which was formed after tailors and all other goans > who had studied below Grade (Standard) 10, were barred from joining > goan clubs in the major cities and towns in East Africa. These > included shoemakers, auto (motor) mechanics and fisherwomen. > > It had a two-pronged approach for as I have stated in my previous > postings on this website, it was also aimed at the local africans- > very few of whom (mainly christians from Christian High (Secondary) > school) studied beyond Grade ten. > > However, many goans who served on these clubs' committees will give > you a different version . They state that the club barred them and > their kids- mainly sons a
Re: [Goanet] Goanet as learning instrument
<> Please take a look at Pakistan and Bangladesh, which were part of undivided India. Have they been so successful with democracy? The same fate would have befallen India had it remained undivided. Also, it's unfair to put the entire blame of partition on the British. Nehru and Jinnah had a hand in it too. Regards, RKN ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet as learning instrument re Democracies
Hi Nasci I would be happy to accept your contention that I could not tell the difference between 'continental' and Continental if you can provide the specific evidence. I await your response. Please ensure your response is exactly illustrative of my use of 'continental' and Continental as alleged by you. Cornel - Original Message - From: "Nasci Caldeira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet as learning instrument re Democracies > "Frederick \"FN\" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> There was a newspaper headline which once said, >> "Communalism is for graduates". The study showed tha > the more educated people are, they >> more intolerant they become. I think saying India >> has its many problems because of a lack of formal > education and economic growth is underrating the > abilities of the average folk, forgetting that bigotry >> is worse when it comes from an educated person, and >> could at worst be an alibi for us all not doing > something *now*. FN >> > Radhakrishnan Nair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, Fred, maybe we can attempt it after we've > attained Europe's educational and economic standards. > But such an experiment in today's South Asia, where > people have to fight for clean drinking water, is > doomed to be an unmitigated disaster. In the present > scenario, it will benefit none. > > Nasci adds: > Education and prosperity alone wothout a sense of 'all > men are equal' and 'all have to be respected equally' > is not conducive to 'Nationalism' or National > Integration. It is only when the people shed their > casteism and age old superior/ inferior complexes, > that goals will be achieved; but never with > classifications as in RKN's part of India! > > Dear RKN, why do you not start/ lead a movement to > abolish and eradicate casteism and like segregation??? > > Fred your comment is correct and appropriate! Like > there is Cornel and others like him who are graduates > and yet get confused between 'continental' and > Continent'; and then go on to deride others thinking > they are superior only to get into shit! > Like some graduates say they are professionals! Well, > Prostitutes are also professionals, and they need not > be graduates; just as graduates are not always the > righteous or all knowing! Much depends on the > individual accomplishment. Down with this 'superiority > complex'. RKN has himself put his 'foot in his mouth' > in a few of his writings, inspite of his seemingly > proclaiming to be a 'graduate'. > With regards to all, > Nasci Caldeira. > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Guns in the hands of angry people
That was a piece of writing; which reflects everyday happenings not only in Bombay but also in London, England. Many carry knives here and will readily use them. Our Police are inundated with crime solving and in many instances let off criminals with just a caution. The system is crumbling, the jails are choked to the full. If this continues, it will be only a matter of time before vigilantes take over! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] India's response to attacks on civilians versus Israel's
Dear Elisabeth, I have always seen that war appear to stop terrorism only for a short time but germinates more wars. This attack may appear good now but imagine the lifes of the civilian, put your self there in their place. I have seen pictures of the attacks by israel. Its not a pretty sight. I am of the firm believer that india must not go to war, its taken us a long time to come up to the finiancial place that we are, war will destroy us and take us back by generation. We will not gain anything than more poverty, which will give rise to more crimes. Lenny ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Test your spoken Konkani language- II
Test your spoken Konkani language- II Here is another one... Pl. note, this is not really a test but more like a fun/game. As same thing can be said differently elsehwere in Goa. == Rice over cooked... Xit sarkem mou zalam Xit sarkem pez zalea Xit sarkem goddxem zalam He is Very Skinny... To ek barik boddi To ek barkelo xilo To ek barkelo erbel (green snake) They are Very poor.. Tim sarkim gorib Tim sarkim sanje naslolim Tim sarkim patixer He is Very trifty... To sarko imtto To sarko kanjus (marwadi) To sarko bonkam bott To sarko bamti Mazor aplo jiu di-it punn ghu diuchenam To aplea bhonkantlo chincharo kadun khaupacho munis .. Who farted ? Konnem fusko marlo ? Konnem Pad marlo ? Konnem bomb sodlo ? Konnen gann gatli ? Konnachea pottant kuslam ? I am going to Toilet Hanv sonnddasant vetam (usually, Bomboikars) Hanv kapusant vetam (Capus =cotton) (usually, Bomboikar) Hanv boisonk vetam (usually, vascokars: sitting on the rocks/Vasco Khariawaddo etc) Hanv Kumavant vetam Hanv agonk vetam .. She is pregnant.. Tem gurvar asa Tem ghorbest asa Tem ballant asa Tem teso(lem) asa Tem estadar asa Ticher bhurgem zaupachem asa . He is mad.. To piso To toklem sarko nam To toklen out zala To toklem kerek zala ... He lost his father (expired).. Tacho pai melo Tacho pai bhair podlo Tacho pai kabar zalo Tachea paik devan apoin vela Tachea pain sounsarak fatt keli .. He is a very rich man To ek motto munis To ek girest munis To ek astig munis To ek pezad munis . To cheddvamcho poder To ek baizuan To cheddvam axecho . Mojea chokeant ieo Mojea pagerant ieo Mojea muttient ieo [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Calangute Association - first annual picnic Sunday July 23rd.
Calangute Association Picnic Written by Kevin D'Costa Thursday, 20 July 2006 The Calangute Association would like to invite all members of the G.O.A. and our community to their first annual picnic Sunday July 23rd. The potluck picnic will be held after noon mass at St. Peter & Paul Church (4070 Central Parkway East, Mississauga). The picnic grounds are located at Mississauga Valley Park (1275 Mississauga Valley Blvd, Area "E"). See Picnic Flyer for more information. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet as learning instrument re Democracies
Hi RKN Thanks for your post. I understand the class distinction you draw in 1947 India but am not persuaded by it I am afraid. Regards Cornel - Original Message - From: "Radhakrishnan Nair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet as learning instrument re Democracies > < before that in India. It was largely the educated/informed middle > clas that propelled the Quit India movement surely.>> > > Not really, sir! What you call the "educated/informed middle class" > were the upper class people -- the landed gentry, though they were by > and large comparable to today's middle class. Some of them were > fabulously rich, like the Nehrus. It's said that Motilal Nehru offered > to pay the British in the currency of their choice for India's > freedom! > > There is hardly any evidence of a middle-class population in British > India. There was a miniscule minority of WOGs and well-to-do > businessmen and the vast majority of the poor and depressed classes -- > though, towards the fag end of its regime, the British did make an > attempt to create an English-speaking middle-class population of > 'babus'. > > Regards, > RKN > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] We Need More Homegrown Software Pros in Goa-See Inspiring Story of Pune Lad
Please dont make accusations just like that. You seem to be a chauvinist Goan. While you praise Goans for their global outlook, you dont seem to want Goans who operate in areas such as Karnataka and Maharashtra. From sheer practical reasons, it is much better to operate from Karnataka and Maharashtra than from Florida. I dont need your advice. I have been doing much more work than what you have been doing. Before you talk to me any further, please tell me what you have done -- other than posting on the Internet --- to change Goa and Goans. After that, we can discuss further. regards, Dr. Samir Kelekar. PS: Please also tell me what are the credible achievements of the current govt. I am on the board of Infotech Corporation of Goa and I know what I have to go through. --- CARMO DCRUZ wrote: > Hi Samir, > > Obviously you appear to be a Maharashtrawadi > supporter who appears to have > no interest in the betterment and greater glory of > Goa. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Mumbai bombings /response to Mario & Elisabeth
--- lenny dsouza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I totally agree with you, and we have actually > played too much cricket now its time that the two > countries, meet togather and resolve this problem. > Mario observes: > Hey, Lenny, Kiten re? That is not all that Elisabeth said, so how can you "totally" agree with her without mentioning the rest? She also said, > "India has to act and with deadly force. It has to decimate all camps along the border and even into Pakistan." [end of excerpt] > It looks like you don't agree with Elisabeth at all. > Lenny writes: > > War is not the name of the game, you all must > understand that a war today with our neighbours will > only be selecting a date for another war. This wars > will continue, because at some point you are going > to get inocent people killed, how do you expect > those people to react, same, they form another group > which is then brain washed by the remaining pest of > the war. > Mario responds: > Lenny, in case you didn't know, tens of thousands of innocent Indian people have been killed by Islamo-fascist jihadis since independence (some 60,000 by one estimate but far too many in any case), a few dozen to a few hundred at a time, while India did nothing to protect it's citizens by attacking the jihadis where they live and train, and the rest of India was just happy it was not them or their families. > "We are Indians, you see, like the Mahatma. We are resilient, we forgive our killers, we have four cheeks always at your disposal. We are better than those crazy Jews and Americans. They know nothing about dharma, karma and other such important stuff. We Indians turn right around and come back to life. The joke is on the jihadis who think they have killed us." > "Great!", replied the jihadis, "In that case we will kill only a few of you at a time. That way you are not too inconvenienced, and can return to "normal" within 24 hours. Have a nice life, until it's your turn." > India was the original target of these animals, even before Israel, America or anyone else. > In the early years the jihadis had the active support of the Pakistani government. Now, any collusion is unofficial, but the Pakistani government is itself under siege from these same animals. > The killings are being done by the world-wide Islamo-fascist movement, Lenny, with help from certain governments like Syria and Iran in particular, and the only talking that India should do with "the neighbors" [you make it sound like a polite dispute over the neighbor's garbage] is if Pakistan is agreeable to join India in clearing out the jihadis and their camps from which the terrorists are operating. "Clearing out" as in "killing them", Lenny, before they kill more innocent civilians. > The only time you have a war to select the next war is when the first war ends in a ceasefire imposed by others, without one side being soundly defeated and formally surrendering. This is the case in Kashmir and Palestine, Cechnya and Timor, where the low grade conflict continues indefinitely because the international community allowed no one to win. The international community really does not care if your people are being killed a few at a time. > You may be too young to know this, Lenny, but the Allies in WW-II did not schedule any return matches with Germany, Japan and Italy. > Lenny continues: > > These things are easy to preach but hard to > implement, i understand, but if we start today we > will be one day closer to peace. The past experience > has shown us that war can never bring peace. > Mario observes: > The past experience you selectively mention here is the wrong one. As I have said above, when one side is soundly defeated and surrenders, peace follows. Germany, Japan and Italy, after surrendering, became free democratic societies and productive members of the world community. In Palestine and Kashmir, the low grade killing has continued for decades. > I don't know where you live, Lenny, but the Islamo-fascists are coming after you, too, even if your country has tacitly supported them by opposing the US-led war on terrorism. > Lenny writes: > > They all knew, that they may be an attack, few > months ago there was a bomb scare in Borovili, that > was where the action should have been planned, more > policemen, police dogs, should have been there. This > would have made these Islamo-fascists think, One > should realise that these people travelling are the > one major part of the tax payers, and they deserve > at least that much protection. we spend millions of > rupees to protect the politician that are choosen by > the same people. but nothing for the people who make > them leaders. > Mario responds: > "They all knew?" Is that enough? Was their knowledge such that they could base some realistic action on it? Did they have any idea where or when? > If the police had taken action in Borivli, what about all the other locations that were attacked? Parel, Colaba, Mahalakshmi and
Re: [Goanet] Mumbai bombings /response to Lenny
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: > > Dear Lenny, > I too am a pacifist of sorts and do not think that > wars serve much purpose besides creating more hatred > and violence. > Mario writes: > Elisabeth, I guess it depends on what the meaning of "of sorts" is, which enables you to try and have it both ways, like our friend, Valmiki, who says "attack" but only surreptitiously, because otherwise it will mess up our lives economically, which is not worth it. No one must know we are attacking. > Isn't it this kind of wobbly thinking which has resulted in tens of thousands of innocent Indians getting killed "under the radar", a few at a time, with only the parents, spouses, kids, relatives and friends left to grieve, with the others just thankful to have escaped. "Chalega, yaar!" "Kya kar sakten hain?" And everything is proudly "normal" with 24 hours. Until the next attack. > Elisabeth writes: > > There is a reason why India hasn't been attacked as > viciously as it could have been. > Mario asks: 200 plus casualties from 7/11 not vicious enough for you? Obviously none from your family. But what about all the aggregate deaths from the numerous low grade attacks since independence? This is what I mean. Kill a few at a time and everyone is happy, all except the parents, spouses, kids, friends and relatives. "Mein bachh gaya, yaar!" Until the next attack. > Elisabeth writes: > > One of the reasons is, unlike in the West...these > terrorist know that when it comes to India, Hindu > fundamentalists will go on a rampage and kill as > many Muslims as possible without asking too many > question and to hell with the consequences, which > as we saw in Gujarat were nil to none. > Mario responds incredulously: > So, when and where have the Hindu fundamentalists gone after any terrorists? In Gujarat they went after innocent Muslims, who had no idea why they were being attacked. Do you really think the terrorists care about innocent Muslims? Who do you think they are targeting in Iraq? > Elisabeth writes: > > No, we must act, my friend. We must act in the > short-run and send a message to Pakistan. If it > wishes to harbour terrorists, it does so at its own > peril. There comes a time when every great nation > must compromise with its own values. A great line > indeed. > Mario asks: > Elisabeth, "There comes a time when every great nation must compromise with its own values." Behind the soaring eloquence this simply means that every great nation must do what is in their best interests. > It also means that you think that India's values included being callous to all the Indians killed a few at a time since independence. > However, how does this platitude gibe with your commiserating with your friend Cornel about how horrible all those Jews are in Palestine for "disproportionately" defending themselves from being "wiped off the map"??? > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] My challenge
No to censorship. Yes to a very limited moderation (to block spam emails, excesssive posts, etc.). Yes to courtesy, civility, politeness. Regards, George ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] "Pro-science" and "logical" - really?
Bosco, Thanks for calling me pro-science and logical. It is quite possible that you would entirely ignore the following questions of M. Goveia because they are based on imaginary thoughts and fictitious premises. But even if you do so, I hope you would at least praise M. Goveia for his innovative sense of logic and his uncanny ability to fabricate new information. He is understandably envious about the undeserved praises that you have showered on me. It is unfair that you have not adequately complimented him for his valiant efforts at putting his words in other people's mouths. Cheers, Santosh Mario Goveia wrote > > > Bosco, > How is it "pro-science" and "logical" for anyone > with > a Ph.D. to argue that a rock solid moral code often > developed over centuries of shared experience > represents a "fake morality" and is invalid because > a > few individuals who have subscribed to the code are > either guilty of transgressions, or even ALLEGED to > be > guilty? > > > How is it "pro-science" and "logical" for anyone > with > a Ph.D. to INSIST that all unorganised individual > atheists worldwide have arrived at their beliefs > through independent study, research and deep > reflection and introspection, when neither he nor > anyone else has any way of knowing this? > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] SEZ's to impact democracy & law order in Goa
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre (GDRC) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Government of Goa's Policy on SEZ --- PREAMBLE Setting up of Special Economic Zones are permitted in the public, private joint sector or by the State Governments. These SEZ's are to be deemed foreign territory for tariff and trade operations. SEZs AS INDUSTRIAL TOWNSHIPS (xii) The State Government will take appropriate steps to declare the SEZ's as Industrial Townships to enable the SEZ's to function as self-governing autonomous municipal bodies. LAW & ORDER (xiii) The State Government shall make appropriate and exclusive arrangements within the SEZs for the maintenance of law and order. Extracts from Government of Goa's Policy on SEZ Goa SEZ Policy, 2006 Resolution taken by the Council of Ministers in its XX1st meeting held on 5-6-2006 - Government of Goa Department of Industries, Trade and Commerce - Official Gazette Govt. of Goa Series 1 No.15 dated 13th July 2006 pages 225 & 227 - === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Bombay bombs - Are the few India based muslim militants directly controlled by Pakistan?
I liked A. Veronica Fernandes letter to Arab Times and Goanet. It clearly identified some hard realities. Unfortunately Pakistan's own government does not seem to be in full control of the country. They are only managing to protect Musharraf no doubt at a great cost and with a complex and expensive security network. It is an undeniable fact that along the entire border with Paksitan and especially the NWFP the tribes are active supporters of Taliban and militant Islam. Since the NWFP is self administered it is largely outside the purview of Pakistani administration. The open air arms and ammunition markets in NWFP province where at some point even Sting missiles were on offer are proof of this. While the Pakistan government may not directly order these bombings in Bombay they are either unable or unwilling to crack down and fully regulate the pro- kashmir groups. These groups have retaliated against Musharraf's control attempts by repeatedly trying to assasinate him. India alleges that that these groups provide moral, material and financial support to the likes of SIMI Students Islamic movement of India. The avowed objective of these militant groups (and also of Pakistan) is to get India to quit Kashmir, one way or another. Musharraf who himself played dirty and organised Kargil. Pakistan will turn a blind eye to this proxy war to keep India in check. What Manmohan is trying to do is to get Musharraf to provide greater co-operation and inside information about activities being planned against India. I imagine that unless there is some monetary benefit to Pakistan they are unlikely to provide such help. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] About Foreigners buying land in Goa - Part I
About Foreigners buying land in Goa - Part I About 13,00,000sqmtrs of Goas land purchased by British, Italians, German, Portuguese etc Some Highlights: During the last 3 years - About 13 lacs sqmtrs land purchased by foreigners from over 22 countries. - 303 Bristish National purchased 6.41 lacs sqmtrs - 21 Italians purchased 69,000sqmtrs - 20 Germans 68,303sqmtrs - 16 Portuguese 14,260sqmtrs - 15 others (whose Nationality not disclosed) 21,260sqmtrs . Bardez Taluka alone, 11.44 lac sqmtrs purchased by 351 foreigners. Of this, - 108 foreigners purchased 2.56lac sqmtrs in Calangute. - 65 foreigners purchased 1.92lacs sqmtrs in Candolim - 28 in Hodfadem (72.125sqmtrs) - 25 in Saligao (18,613) - 23 in Anjuna (47,328) - 17 in Siolim - 16 in Assagao - 10 in Nerul - 8 in Soccoro - 6 in Pilerne - 5 in Reis Magos - 4 each in Guirim, Sangolda & Verla - 3 in Aldona - 2 each in Pomburpa and Tivim - 1 each in Baga, Canca, Mapusa, Moira, Osel, Penha-de-Franca, Porvorim, Revora & Salvador do Mundo. Salcette Taluka: (37 Foreigners) - 6 in Betalbatims (all British) (3610sqmtrs) - 5 each in Benaulim, Colva & Senarbatim - 4 in Varca - 2 each in Cumcolim, Loutolim, Majorda & Velim. - 1 each in Cavelossim, Nuvem, Utorda & Verna. Tiswadi Taluka: (62) - 27 in Taleigao - 12 in Carazalem - 7 in Miramar - 4 in Panaji - 3 in Dona Paula - 2 each in Bambolim & Merces - 1 each in Altinho, Campal, Chimbel, Ribandar & St. Cruz Canacona Taluka: 11 - 8 in Palolem - 2 in Agonda - 1 in Canacona. Mormugao Taluka: 3 - 1 each in Arossim, Isorsim & Velsao Pernem Taluka: 2 - 1 each in Mandrem and Morjem Sanguem Taluka: 1 - 1 Danish National bought 24,800sqmtrs land of dense forest land. Above info was given by CM in the Goa Assembly house. Compiled from NT. = Coming up next. Who can buy land/property in Goa/India ? What are the rules ? What may happen to those already acquired land in Goa ? Is Goa is the only place in India where foreigners buy land ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Apparently we have "spokespersons" re: religious intolerance
Dear Fred, I considered you a talented journalist, well informed, well researched, perhaps well respected in your circle. In your post below, are we seeing you promoting a new brand of journalism one that advocates religion-bashing on this forum? Even so, it looks like a cheap-shot. Are you trying to get even on my last post on journalism? Does your good conscience and following the good ethics of journalism so desperately call for advocating religion-bashing? Again, in all good conscience is this the kind of role modeling you would like to nurture for the younger generation to follow? We could understand Herald, of course, which had at one time degenerated to the lowest-point, due to its bankruptcy of sourcing/publishing stories that they had to desperately run the FN piece on their Herald publication. Great going man! Wish you well in your new endeavors. Joe Vaz On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joe, why are you mocking my belief in secularism ... and my faith in the god called truth? My religious views tell me that I need to worship my conscience and speak out on matters I feel strongly about. By telling me to stay silent, and calling my debate "mockery" isn't this "abuse"? While you have your rights to believe in what you choose, should anyone be depriving me of the same? FN On 22/07/06, Joe Vaz wrote: If you are asking - is it improper to pose questions on any religion, (as a learning exercise,) my answer would be no. However, it is improper to make mockery of *any* religion, God/Jesus. That constitutes clear "abuse" and is an indication that such individuals derive intense pleasure in "religion bashing," -- mocking *religion* and *people's religious beliefs*. _ Shah Rukh fan? Know all about the Baadshah of Bollywood. On MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/shahrukh.asp ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] We Need More Homegrown Software Pros in Goa-See Inspiring Story of Pune Lad
Hi Samir, It appears that I sure did ruffle your feathers with my last post. Regarding my credentials and contributions to Goa, India and the world - All I can say is that I am working at the grass-roots level and you can find out about some of my global activities from the Internet. However there a couple of credentials I am really very proud about - First: I am a true GOAN and very proud to be one ! Second: I am also very proud to be from INDIA ! You may also want to know that some of my current research is focused on using system engineering principles to help India win the Hockey World Cup and Olympic Gold Medal and regain its past hockey glory. I am working with some prominent Indian Olympians on this project. In these days of the Internet, you dont need to be in India or Goa to make lasting contributions and bring about change. Also as a Goa Infotech Corp board member, you should be in a unique position to help flush out the Maharashtrawadi moles (and attitudes like that) in the Goa Infotech Corporation. Only then can there be true sustainable progress in Goa ! Please send me Manohar Parrikar's email ID if you have it and well as the email IDs of other IITians in Goa - we need to synchronize the activities of Goan IITians and kick them up into high gear - all for the greater good of our beloved Goa. May be we should have a Goan IITian conference in India in Dec 2006 or early Jan 2007. Best Regards, Dr. Carmo D'Cruz Goan, IITian - Class of 1982 Indian Harbour Beach, Florida From: Samir Kelekar > >Please dont make accusations just like that. >You seem to be a chauvinist Goan. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Fourth Estate...: Re: Goanet as learning instrument re Democracies
dear Fred, In all of my adult life, I have read and heard of the Press being referred to as the 'Fourth Estate' in India, England, USA, now in Australia, and in almost every democratic country I have travelled to. I have the same from Newspapers and Magazines, Radio and TV too. However, I had no idea as to why the Press was referred to as such, until you mentioned about the French Four Estates, on goanet. So goanet is a 'learning instrument' for all of us! The French connection, that you brought to our notice, is the relevance to the Press being referred to as 'The Fourth Estate' in the modern democratic system of governance! This is the reason I said what I had to say! I have no references other than what I have learnt this way! The best way to learn. With regards, Nasci --- "Frederick \<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry, but I cannot understand Nasci's logic. > Please, Nasci could you > give me some reference to back up the view that "the > Press is > considered 'the Fourth Estate' in ... the modern > system of Democratic > Governance". FN Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Bombay bombings
<> What? No bloody pagan wants to debate with you, Nasci? All these sucking pagans should be lined up and shot, no? -- RKN ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet as learning instrument re Democracies/response Mario
Dear Mario, I enjoyed reading that post because it was issue based. The reasons I don't believe a united India would have been tenable, are (a) the communal violence that does flare up within India (b) evidence does not bear out your premise that the moderates would cancel out the extremists. We know from moderate Muslim countries like Turkey, Algeria and Indonesia, that it takes only a few extremists to create mayhem. The reason the moderate voice is seldom heard in the Muslim voice is because it is hunchbacked by the yoke of religion. Never has a society been so suppressed under the guise of religion. Bear in mind, this is a religion which by the 10th century had introduced such progressive concepts as complete monotheism, equality about men, abolition of interest rates, a consultative and participative form of government, protection of women, not to mention had given the world the wonderful poetry of Sufism, some of the world's architectural wonders and encouraged scientific enquiry at a time when sorcery was rampant. Unfortunately for Muslims, while the rest of the world marched ahead with the separation of Church and state, and an ideology of secularism, the Muslim world became burdened and stagnant with theocracies dominated by Imans who insisted on the narrowest and cruelest interpretations of the Koran. Since then, Muslims the world over have been forsaken by its polity, abandoned by its educational institutions and escorted by its religious leaders into fundamentalism. Let's not lull ourselves into thinking that the Muslim community in India is a passive, docile victim of Hinduism. Its belligerence is muted and held in check by its minority status. The Muslim community has to tear itself away from radicalization of its religion, move away from the madrases as their educational institutions, overhaul its judiciary and come charging into the 21st century as equal partners in the peace process. Elisabeth --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Mario asks: > > > I think this population mix would have been more > secular rather than less, because the extremists and > paranoid among the Hindus and Muslims would have > cancelled each other out better, and the remaining > dominant percentage of Indians would be those who > believe in religious freedom of choice, which would > have kept a lid on religious conflicts. > > > Most of those who became Pakistanis and Bangladeshis > would have shared the committment to democratic > principles, influenced by the majority of undivided > India's population in my vision of what India might > have been, and the Pakistani generals would have > been > unable to impose their dictatorial inclinations on > anyone. No madrassas, no Indo-Pak jihadis, and all > of > Kashmir a tourist's heaven on earth. > > > Is my scenario illogical? If so, why? > > > > > > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Myths about ancient and modern societies
I submit that the hackneyed notion that today's society is spinning out of control from a moral standpoint is not grounded in fact. Basic human rights, civil rights, rights of women and children, rights of the under-represented, and even rights of other animals, are much more valued and respected today than at any time in the entire history of our civilization. Contrary to the hollow cliches propagated here and elsewhere, our morality has indeed advanced with our technological and socio-economic advancement. Cheers, Santosh --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So society (youth and adults) in many respects is > spinning out of control, in spite of our increased > academic and social-economic advancements. Partly > because of these advancements, we think we are smart > to "pick and choose" what is good / convenient for > us - for NOW! This is the argument between Mario > and Santosh, and what "The rock solid moral code" > signifies for current and future Goan society. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Apparently we have "spokespersons"
Hi Elisabeth and others, Yes the heat wave is "killing us" too. We may have to go to Goa in the summer to cool down in the monsoon. We the northeast are having that too. I am leaving on a quick "rounds" to the hospital followed by a drive to pick up a Toyota RAV-4 that we bought. This is a great mini-SUV that are 2 (or in our case 4) wheel drive. The latter are great and very safe for snow. They are comfortable, sturdy and protective for young kids. They drive well for up to and even over 100-200,000 miles, needing minimal maintenance. In this heat wave two drinks I just discovered work great. Guava nectar juice now available in the USA and Cuban Mojito which used to be available only in Miami is now marketed across the country in grocery stores. Try these cold, on a real hot day. Just out of this world. As regards your center-stage performance, it may help to remember: "Behind every successful woman, there is a satisfied man. But behind a satisfied woman, there is usually an exhausted man." Or in the case of this thread three men.:=)) :=)) :=)). Kind Regards, GL - Elisabeth Carvalho Now, what plans for the weekend? We're heading to the zoo. The heatwave seems to have passed away. -- --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Elisaeth, > > The price one pays for arguing it both ways is the > loss of credibility. It is not Mario! OK, it is > Mario on your shempdi (tail) holding you to > the fire.:=)) > Kind Regards, GL > > - Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: > > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Rock solid Christian moral code
--- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ...as a liberal politically, and > > ...only tore up my party membership card over > Blair's insane support for Bush in the war on Iraq. > Does this make me some kind of odd character > because, presumably, I would not vote Republican or > perhaps even Christian Right were I in America? > Mario observes: > Cornel, Being liberal does not make you an "odd character". > But a political liberal unconditionally supporting the elimination by force of an entire country? Now that's odd. > A political liberal, unconditionally opposing the liberation of a country from a brutal dictator's heel? Now that's odd. > BTW, as usual you are confused about the US. Slightly less than 50% have voted for the Democrat candidate for President, many of whom are not liberal, simply misguided and misinformed :-)) > Cornel writes: > > I am not aware that anyone on Goanet has really > attacked Catholicism as you imagine. > Mario observes: Since you seem to have missed it, there has been a furious and sustained attack on Goanet of ALL morally based organsations and their members. I think Catholicism would be included. What forum have YOU been following? > Cornel writes: > > we have some of the greatest crooks on earth > constituting the Mafia, Cosa Nostra etc. Let's, for > now, only note the other "rock solid Christians" > like Hitler, the putative priest, Stalin, and > innumerable South American Christian/Catholic > socialised persons, and latter day dictators > like Castro, Samoza, Peron, Pinochet, Oscar R > Benavides, Luis M Sanches Cerro, and Juan Velasco > Alvarado among so many others with a torture and > murder record that runs into millions. > Mario responds: > These people are "rock solid Christians" in the same way you are a "rock solid political liberal" but yet support the physical elimination of one entire country and strenuously opposes freedom and democracy for another. > None of those you cite above lived according to the rock solid Christian code, so to represent them as practicing Christians is simply flat-out false. > Stalin was a committed communist, and one cannot be a communist without being an atheist. > The biggest tyrants in history based on their body counts, mostly of their own people for political gain, come from from the communists like Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, whose massacres make all the other animals you selectively list above look like boy scouts. The tyrannical despot, Fidel Castro, also a communist, is like a choir boy in front of these supreme animals. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] TIATR AKADEMI: Public Meeting of tiatrists and MLAs
TIATR AKADEMI Fatorda, Goa - 403 602 Mobile: 9822179468 22/07/2006 Sir, Kindly give publicity to the following press release. Thanking you, Yours truly, Prince Jacob Convenor Public Meeting of Tiatrists and MLAs. Most of the present MLAs of Goa State assembly have been elected by a substantial number of voters who fully support Roman script for Konknni. Some of these MLAs have expressed their views in private on the issue of including Roman script in the Official Language Act 1987. So far only a few MLAs have publicly voiced their support to this issue. Therefore, Tiatrists of Goa have now unanimously resolved at a meeting held at Margao today, to invite all the elected representatives of the Goa Legislative Assembly, to attend a public meeting to be convened on Tuesday 25th July 2006 at T. B. Cunha Hall Panaji at 10.30. a.m. to clarify their stand on the demand for amendment to the Official Language Act 1987 wherein the word 'Roman' in section 2(c) will be added. The meeting will be held in the presence of the Press and media. Tiatrists are of the opinion that the presence of all MLAs is of utmost importance, considering the short time available to introduce a Bill to that effect before the end of the current Assembly Session itself. Should they fail to avail this opportunity to attend this meet and express their views on this issue at this meeting it will be construed that they are not in favour of the amendment. According to the response of the MLAs, tiatrists will prepare their future course of action to meet their demand. Tiatrists have taken a pledge that they will fight tooth and nail till their demand for including Roman script in the Language Act is achieved. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] News of Prof. Sebastian M. Borges, please
News of Prof. Sebastian M. Borges, please I had a Konkani pen-friend in Prof. Borges, of Nagdoli, Velim, Goa, who used to communicate with me in Konkani. Now over a month I have not been hearing from him, and I am wondering what may have happened to him, that he is not replying to me. He was the Head of the Dpt. of Geolocy at the S.P. Chowgule College, in Margao. If anybody from Margao has his news would thank you to write to me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It was great pleasure to read his leters in Konkani, and I miss the contact. Thanks. Basilio Magno (Spain) ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] LANDED PROPERTIES ACQUIRED BY FOREIGNERS IN GOA./response to Fred
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: > > Mario G.'s contention that there is no solution to > the labour component of industry except in response > to a total free market principle of demand and > supply, is not entirely true. > Mario clarifies: > Elisabeth, I did not say there was no solution. What I said was that you elites had no solution:-)) > To begin with, since you seem to have been absent from class when this part of history was being discussed, your theories have ALREADY BEEN TRIED in several major economies, including India, China and Russia. The theories HAVE BEEN DISCARDED because they resulted in massive economic stagnation. Now here you come, with support from Goa Su-raj [visions of a new "Raj" dancing in your heads:-))] advocating the same failed policies of "we know what's best for everyone else, better then they do". > The most efficient allocation of materials and labor takes place when demand and supply freely set the prices at which these resources clear the market. The more political coercion and interference the less efficient the process. > The opinions of elite individuals, regardless of how clever or concerned they may be, has wrought massive disruptions of resources wherever these individuals were allowed to make these decisions, either through socialism or communism. Why else do you think both economic models were soundly rejected by even their most ardent proponents, and are now only advocated by academics and amateur observers who have no responsibility for the economy or for job creation? > I think you have blythely ignored what Vivian described about how difficult he found it to hire workers in Porvorim for day labor he needed done on his estate in neighboring Soccorro. Imagine then the problems faced by commercial enterprises which need far more laborers than Vivian did. You continue to ignore these real life experiences in favor of the failed hallucinations of Karl Marx. Try reading Milton Friedman who has actually advised several successful economies. > Elisabeth writes: > > Let's examine what is happening in Goa today. An > early morning drive through the major towns of > Vasco and Margao, will reveal hordes of workers > milling about waiting to be picked up by > construction companies on a daily wage basis. > > This model serves no one's purpose other than free > enterprise left to buy labour at the lowest rate > possible. Which, proponents of the free market will > argue is wonderful. But what does it do? It > continually depresses the wage-rate. It offers no > protection, either in health care terms, injury on > the job, compensation for time-off, or any other > sort of insurance for the worker. In addition, in > Goa, these workers are left to provide themselves > with makeshift accommodation near the work site, > which leads to defecation near rivers, pollution, > etc, etc. Soon, we hae a whole shanty town. > Mario responds: > Elisabeth, "The model serves no one's purpose?" How about the purpose of employers who need some work done and workers willing to work at the prevailing wage rates in order to feed their families? > How is it anyone else's business what people who need to work to feed their families are willing to work for? If your ideas are imposed, many of them will not have work, regardless of your admirable intentions of everyone having well paid jobs with full benefits. > Elisabeth writes: > > Suppose, we had labour contracting companies. Yes, > the hideous middle-man. Suppose companies that > required labour were obligated to tender for > contractual labour through these companies. This > would guarantee a minimum sustainable wage-rate for > the labour, make it mandatory on the contracting > company to provide accommodation, sanitation and > other health-care to its workers. Give preference > to Goan labour, and import into Goa to meet demand > requirements. > Mario responds: > "Companies obligated". Who has the cajones to "obligate" me as a private employer. > "Guarantee a minimum sustainable wage-rate?" Guarantee, by whom? Who sets the minimum? How do you know what is sustainable for my business? Are you responsible for the survival of my business? > "Make it mandatory yada, yada, yada." Who is going to make it mandatory for my private enterprise to do anything? This is post-socialist India we're talking about here. > "Give preference to Goan labor." As Vivian explained, he did give preference to Goan labor because he could communicate with them in Konkani. But he could not find any Goan labor willing to do the work he needed done. So he had to hire "foreign" laborers, who were willing to work at a reasonable wage rate, plus he had to shuttle them to and from the work site. That's how the REAL world works, Elisabeth. > What you have described is known as a pipe dream. All it would guarantee is that businesses would be unable to stay in business. If they found a way to survive they would use fewer workers, and ma
Re: [Goanet] The split of the Indian sub-continent
Hi RKN Please do correct me if I am wrong. Was it not the case that, Jinnah and Mountbatten worked closely together to create Pakistan? And is it not the case that Nehru and Gandhi were opposed to the split? I do find your contention that India would have had the same fate as Pakistan and Bangladesh, had the sub-continent not been divided, rather dificult to follow. However, I will not go on with this issue beyond this post. Regards Cornel - Original Message - From: "Radhakrishnan Nair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet as learning instrument > < on the issue of the birth of India and Pakistan. True, huge India is > quite difficult to govern but I take pride in its success with > democracy against impossible odds.>> > > Please take a look at Pakistan and Bangladesh, which were part of > undivided India. Have they been so successful with democracy? The > same fate would have befallen India had it remained undivided. > > Also, it's unfair to put the entire blame of partition on the British. > Nehru and Jinnah had a hand in it too. > > Regards, > RKN > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Guns in the hands of angry people
Hi Gabe I share your concern that gun and knife crime has increased alarmingly in the UK. This place used to be so remarkably safe a few years ago but I think the police have lost the fight against personal attacks in quite a big way. Statistically, the crime figures are still low but it does look as though things will only get worse for now. Part of the blame lies squarely with Blair who is sorting out the world (pretty badly) while working like a part-time Prime Minister at home. I am sure you will recall his mantra during his first term. It was about fighting crime and the causes of crime. Nothing much has happened since then as he continues to be Bush's poodle. I just can't wait to see the back of him, having created, for the UK, the greatest war catastrophe since Eden in 1956. Cornel - Original Message - From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:33 AM Subject: [Goanet] Guns in the hands of angry people > That was a piece of writing; which reflects everyday happenings not > only in Bombay but also in London, England. Many carry knives here and > will readily use them. > > Our Police are inundated with crime solving and in many instances let > off criminals with just a caution. The system is crumbling, the jails > are choked to the full. If this continues, it will be only a matter of > time before vigilantes take over! > > -- > DEV BOREM KORUM. > > Gabe Menezes. > London, England > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Dr helekars challenge...
Dear dr. helekar, Though I totally support your views regarding free speech and he dight to express ones views without censorship , I also believe that sometimes it is sensible not to exercise our right given the situation. I would also like to know if you agree that Bal thackeray or a Pravin Togadia has the right to free speech whcih they use to incite hatred? -vivek __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Perceptions and statements which may be incorrect don't amount to LIES Was: Re: o Senhor Juan Sintilla and Santoshbab + other lies
On 22/07/06, Jose Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It would be nice to get a confirmation from Joe Vaz - IF a visit to the > Goanet archives (when they are once again available) will reveal > Santoshbab's "blatant abuse" of Catholicism or just a critical view of Jose, This is a LIE. The Goanet archives are *not* unavailable as you suggest. They are available here http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/ FN PS: Don't take this post too seriously. The archives *are* available, but the first part of the response is just a Josesque response to (a) a perception sincerely held (b) an inaccurate statement made not necessarily with malice! And can someone draw a list of who are some Goanetters' favourite whipping boys (mine too)? ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: Of lemons, bricks and melons: don't write off anyone as mediocre
Of lemons, bricks and melons: don't write off anyone as mediocre Alan Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] Each of us have in us the ability and capacity to make a difference to our own life and to that of others with whom we interact in the journey we call life. Surprisingly, I did not make much of a difference when I was at St Brittos's, so few of the pupils of St Britto's at Mapusa would probably remember me. I was neither vocal nor smart; I managed to get by with pass grades in most of my studies at school. I was bad at arts and sports, and even worse at athletics. I was just about okay in Scouting; and there was a reason for that. More on this later. Getting to school and class was a chore that I mechanically performed as the corridors of learning were hardly appealing to me. My indifference to learning caught the ire of many. Occasionally I would be called up in front of the assembly to get my regular quota of beating from Fr. Teo de Sales for not doing homework. After sometime, I just got used to the beating and my dislike for studies increased. Perhaps the school authorities felt that beating would instil sense in young students. But it probably didn't work that way. As mentioned earlier, I not good at anything in school and pretty much indifferent to the happenings around school. Consequently, zmost of the teachers left me alone. I would sometimes wonder what would become of me once I left school, and whether I would ever make a good living with the type of marks I obtained. My big break came when we were sent to the not-so-nearby Industrial Training Institute (ITI) at Peddem for the work-experience subject. There were different trades to learn -- like electricity, smithy, carpentry and skills in engineering drawing. It was here that I had something else to interest me other than mathematics. The ITI provided skills-based training such as electrical wiring and engineering drawing. Suddenly, I realised that I was fascinated to see how pieces of wood and metal got magically transformed into furniture and appliances by the teachers. I picked up these skills extremely fast and eventually teamed up with some private electrical contractors and started working as an electrical wireman while I was still in Std IX. Just when I thought all was lost, the skill-based exposure at ITI opened doors for me. Perhaps it was me; perhaps it was the teachers ... but with the exception of Mathematics taught by Alvito Almeida, History taught by Ivan Rocha and Geography taught by Albert Lewis, the rest of the subjects was pretty much dull. I found these three teachers extremely motivating and making the subject energizing even though History and Geography were not of my interest. Studying Geography came with a price of watching erring students going through Alberts Lewis' punishment routine. And, one couldn't help wondering where he learned the torture techniques. Alvito Almeida, Albert Lewis, Ivan Rocha and Mrs. Days were the best of teachers -- from my view. They seem passionate about what they taught and put effort to see ensure that we learned their subjects. There was, of course, Guruji, our Marathi teacher. He would become all emotional and have tears in his eyes while reading or explaining certain chapters. I will never know whether the tears occurred due to skillful acting or genuine feelings. He convinced me and a few students to switch to Marathi instead of French. Later on I regretted my decision very much, since I had to struggle with the subject for two years and finally got by with 35 marks in SSC. For the rest of the classes, I would speedily switch into a daydream mode and wonder how I should go about working on my next electrical contract. It was not merely the lure of money, but the realization that I was doing something of value and more practical worth outside that made me think whether it would be worth completing school. Moreover, working outside came with rewards of enjoying the sense that I was making my life purposeful. After Std IXth, I was relocated to Margao where I reluctantly completed SSC with a pass class through another school. Many years have since passed and I have switched different jobs and careers. I taught Industrial Electronics and Computers for a while in Mapusa, Panjim, Vasco and Zuarinagar. In that role, I ensured that anyone who attended the training would feel energized to pursue the subject further. At the job, one tried to make sure that the students had a compelling reason to learn what was being taught. Learning can be made fun, and yet a challenge. Never had I to resort to beating and both my students and me looked eagerly for the classes. I brought an added value of real world working experience into my classes which made the lessons practical. I wish more teachers came to the class passionate about their subjects and spend some time to energize the class into enjoying the pursui
[Goanet] re Bonefacio Lopes on HIV AIDS AWARENESS IN GOA
Bonefacio Lopes asked: 1: What is the HIV/AIDS infected rate in GOA or for that matter India? 2: Do we have HIV/AIDS awarness in the form of discussion and education with the sex workers?? Dear Bonifacio, One day, perhaps, you will expand on what you mean by "HIV/AIDS infected RATE". For now, I suggest that HIV/AIDS awarness - discussion and education be made available not only to "sex workers" but also to the rest of us who may be care givers, non care givers, family & non-family members of HIV positive individuals, non-clients of "sex workers" and clients of the 'sex workers". I will add here that Health Care workers continue to need a tremendous amount of advice wrt HIV/AIDS; NOT the clinical stuff but the bit about the word "Care" in Health Care. IF we say that we are in the business of Health Care, we should deliver Care without prejudice, snigerring and, in the atmosphere of absolute respect for the HIV/AIDS+ person's privacy. I am not referring to the medico-legal issues which bind us wrt the possibility of a HIV/AIDS person intentionally or recklessly infecting another; I am merely referring to the callous manner by which many health care workers treat the unfortunate HIV/AIDS+. Many believe that the HIV/AIDS+ person deserved in ...because he had Promiscuous Sex, or even Sex - which, I suppose, is a SIN, right? jc please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The rock solid Christian moral code
Gilbert / Mario / Santosh, Thank you for your responses. It's disappointing to note that Gilbert and Mario were both unable to respond to a direct question. Both have stirred the pot and point to each other for answers and have chosen to explain the other's point of view. I don't see a difference between Gilbert & Mario's point of view because they are both supporting the view of the subject thread : "The rock solid Christian moral code" and inherently supporting the view that followers of specfic religions, are morally superior to Atheists and Agnostics. I requested you both to list the moral codes you are supporting. Instead Mario took off on a rant about "snide and gratuitous attack on morally based groups by a small cabal of determined atheists on Goanet". And I was the recipient of more of the usual gratuituos, unwarranted, unrelated comments from Mario, himself. For eg.: 1) Apparently my command of English failed in this case because you are asking a question that has already been answered several times in this thread:-)) 2) Since you seem unfamiliar with this thread you must not know of the references to members of moral organizations as having a "mob psychology" or a "herd mentality" and the moral organisations as having "fake morality". 3) It is also instructive that a big Goanet honcho like yourself now comes to the defense of the attackers of religion and the religious while questioning and making snide references about those who oppose his attacks. 4) Your friend, Santosh 5) I know you have a hard time being specific, but I would like you to try and tell me exactly what you find objectionable in the paragraphs titled POINT. All meant to deflect his inability to answer my specific query. Instead Mario would like me to engage him in debate to his COMMENTS. It is presumptious of him to assert that I have not been following this thread. Its because I have been following this thread, that I have attempted to get a clear answer from the participants. Mario has only responded with generalities that he usually accuses others of. He has failed to answer my specific query. Some of Mario's points: 1) I say it is conditional simply because we have no idea what unorganized individual atheists are up to. RESPONSE: Its quite possible that Atheists say the same thing about us when we claim to be morally superior. 2) For example, Christians have the Golden Rule and the Ten Commandments. RESPONSE: I wonder if the majority of Christians, we know personally, can accurately recite the 10 Commandments, let alone follow them to the Tee. 3) Even if some members violate these, the rules themselves remain "moral" or "rock solid". RESPONSE: What good are these rules and morals if they are not being followed. Never mind the fact that you cannot list them to start with. 4) In addition, there is group pressure for each individual to conform, and consequences if they don't which depend on the severity of the violation. Thus there are some checks and balances on each member. RESPONSE: What group pressure? Pls explain with example(s) 5) There are no outside checks and balances other than the law and no one has a basis for accusing them of hypocrisy. RESPONSE: Are you suggesting that the law may infact support immoral practices? Hypocrisy ? Gilbert has chosen to do the same. More generalities with no specifics. For eg. 1) When one belongs to a recognized and well-defined group, there are codes of membership. MORE IMPORTANTLY, there is internal policing by the group members. RESPONSE: As a Catholic, What are the codes of membership you are referring to. Pls list them. what is the internal policing conducted by Catholics? 2) Thus a Catholic HAS TO do simple things like attend church on Sundays, and in today's topsy-turvy world (where as one example, divorce is the norm), live a restrictive life-style. RESPONSE: Is that the moral code you are defending - attend church on Sundays? What restrictive life-style? Does the church deny its members the right to divorce? Are you suggesting that Catholics are in a straight-jacket? Do you have access to any numbers to back your assertion that "divorce is the norm"? 3) Within the Goan context, pre-1960 (nothing to do with colonialism) society in Goa and its Diaspora was policed by family and elders (social and religious), using AGE-OLD Moral and Religion codes (not the same). RESPONSE: If you are of the view that divorce is something immoral, I don't share your point of view. As human beings we are all in the pursuit of happiness. If you cannot have it in a monogamous relationship, no point staying in that relationship. I don't see why two people have to be forced to live together against their wishes. Pre-1960 (nothing to do with colonialism) Goan society in Goa and the diaspora (Catholics and Hindus) practiced segregation using the Caste system. Some still probably do. Is that the moral code you are defendi
[Goanet] Cavelossim's ASRO to benefit from GOA New Jersey picnic
The Cavelossim-based ASRO Community Care and Support Center (CCSC) will be the main beneficiary of funds collected at the GOA of New Jersey picnic last Saturday. Some $543 was collected at the Holy Mass said by a visiting goan priest from Rome - Father Henry. The Rachol seminary will be the other beneficiary. The Center, as a transitional shelter for AIDS patients, acts as a bridge between health care institutions and patients' families to create awareness in the community. The picnic- at the Princeton Country Club in West Windsor- was attended by a record 345 people ; however, the amount collected was far "shy" of the $1564 collected at last year's picnic. The smaller collection is attributed to the low attendance at the mass following a heavy downpour before the event. Before the mass, the newly-formed "Wolfpack" band entertained the attendees. It featured Alan Lobo on vocals, and the well known New Jersey DJ and guitarist- Brian Barretto and his wife- Leonie on vocals. Two musicians with the Toronto-based "Naked Flame" - Band leader and guitarist - Joe Rebello and Key-boardist- Carlos assisted the band with the set-up of the equipment. The attendees also ratified the election of the Members of the Association's Board of Trustees for another two-year term. The four trustees-who were returned unopposed- are Tony Barros (Chairman), Michael Alvares ( Vice-Chairman), Vilma Martins and Elvis Proenca. rgds. Tony Barros. Union, New Jersey, U . S . A . __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] LANDED PROPERTIES ACQUIRED BY FOREIGNERS IN GOA.
"Frederick \"FN\" Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Finally, I am not a fan of limitless migration as > some have sought to suggest. What I've been > pointing to is that the current round of Goan > chauvinism that has become the dominant ideology for > many, is filled with contradictions and questionable > presuppositions. What I find > particularly galling is the fact that the poor > migrants are targeted, while the affluent are > welcomed with open arms. This, to me, shows a > clear class bias. Sometimes racism. -- FN, The migrants arriving in Goa today are doing so for only one reason. They have heard that work is available. As soon as that perception changes, the flood will change to a tickle (and may well be reversed.) Some Goanetters insist that these (poor?) economic immigrants bring crime with them. This seems strange (to me) as no one wants to tackle the real criminals i.e. the Russians, the Nigerians, the Israelis and other drug lords who contribute to the coffers of the current crop of elected officials in Goa. Once again, as the land issue proves, in a democracy, you get the officials you deserve. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] We Need More Homegrown Software Pros in Goa-See Inspiring Story of Pune Lad
On 22/07/06, CARMO DCRUZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Samir, > > It appears that I sure did ruffle your feathers with my last post. With due respect Samir is a doer as far Goa goes. You and me and the rest who pontificate from afar should admire his dedication to Goa! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Fake morality (part I)
Part I - response to Elisabeth Part II - response to Bosco Elisabeth's views are appreciated. Unfortunately she could not name five living people that she would consider moral. Reading her views, she agrees that it is difficult for humans to live a moral life (which suggest it is not normal). Hence society has developed norms and moral codes, or as she terms, "infrastructures". Elisabeth then goes on to suggest individuals have "human ability to navigate within this infrastructure with discernment" i.e. pick and choose, and select their own paths. Then she provides a warm-fuzzy list (see below). She does not add to this - abortion, divorce, casual sex, single parents, unwed mothers, etc. on demand. This is precisely what Mario has been saying in his "Rock Solid Moral Codes" of an established moral or religious organization. As they say, "All sounds great ... The problem is in the details and fine print." Elizabeth then goes on to thinking-out-loud and ends up with many suppositions. The lion or elephant societies do not have codes, rules and regulation. Following their own instincts, they are likely to live "more moral" lives in keeping with their ecological environment. For this reason these species have endured for many-many millennia. Yet human civilizations since early times has had the need; and developed moral and legal codes for people to follow on the pain / fear of punishment. Man is NOT moral. This is with and likely even more, without behavioral codes (see four types of codes in part II). Humans with an animal biology, are selfish, emotional and reflexive with an animal instinct for his / her needs and survival. Humans find a need to be dominant and has a limited capacity to think. They are the only animal species that kill their own species. Of course they kill other species, like other animals. Yet, unlike other hunting animals, humans do not limit the killing for their (human) survival, but far in excess of their need i.e. they are very wasteful. Kind Regards, GL --- Elisabeth Carvalho: You've both posed some interesting perspectives on this subject. This is set up by human beings and is dependent on the cultural and social norms at the time. The second is the human ability to navigate within this infrastructure with discernment. The ability to empathise, forgive, aid, support, sustain, persevere. It is this that perhaps Santosh means is innate in human beings, to be found across cultures and instinctively delved into when the situation calls for it or the answer is not provided in the infrastructural set-up. --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Human beings are capable of living moral lives. That does not mean they do > as a matter of routine or especially if their animal instincts are > challenged. If human beings are moral people and lead moral lives, are part > of their human nature, why does every society have laws, rules and > regulations? As you have said in your post, even ancient societies had moral > codes to live by. --- Santosh Helekar: > 1. Morality is a fundamental part of human nature with a sound biological and > evolutionary basis. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Clarification on the St. Xavier's Society in Tanzania
cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the short while when young Goan men and women > were "unconstrained" in London by the beady eyes > of their parents, often carrying their old caste > baggage with them, I am aware that romances across > old divides blossomed. Cornel, I amazes me that just a generation ago, most Goans would marry only someone chosen/okayed by their parents. My mom always points out how unfair it must have been for the first generation of "educated women" who, despite being able to earn enough to support any partner they chose, were not allowed to marry the person they were in love with. My reply to her, every time, is that these "educated women" had only obtained a degree and not an "education." > Thankfully, some village caste associations are now > low on social attendance as the young people are > increasingly integrated into cosmopolitan London, > and not only NOT marrying within the community (let > alone within the Goa village affiliation of their > parents), but are doing so well outside such > old constraints. Yep, same thing in Toronto. Once a women has a good education under her belt and knows that she is fully capable of caring for a family on her own, she is not going to be constricted to marrying "a Goan boy from a good family." Nor is she going take abuse from a spouse for very long. Mervyn3.0 PS. Strangely enough, my wife insists that she was looking for someone crazy so that she could "live." She gave up a job in sunny Silicon Valley, moved to Canada and has decided that she does not have to work again. I am still trying to figure out who is the love fool in the family. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Clarification on the St. Xavier's Society in Tanzania
--- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A simple look at the daily Herald Newspaper, in Goa, indicates how > real caste is among Catholic Goans especially when it comes to the time of > marriage. > From: "Tony Barros" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > As for the Goan Gymkhana Club in Nairobi, membership was restricted > > to the "cream" de "creme"- the "Touchables" Brahmins. Whoa! Goan Catholics practicing the caste system! How is Gilbert Lawrence going to handle this? Let me guess: these East African Goan Catholics were not really Goans, they were Jewish Chinese without a rock solid moral code. They, not Europeans, were responsible for the Inquisition in Goa, and their atheistic Peruvian cousins from agnostic Kenya were responsible for building churches in plots adjacent to, but not on top of, Hindu temples in Assam. See, it all so simple when you are in denial, religious fundamentalist and ideological mode. Regards, George ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Micky slapped JE on his face..
Micky Pachecho has gotten away with burning down whole establishments. Does anyone believe he'll be held accountable for slapping someone? Elisabeth - --- JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Minister Micky Pachecho slapped Electricity Junior > Engineer on his face. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] We Need More Homegrown Software Pros in Goa-See Inspiring Story of Pune Lad
Indeed, it seems Goa needs more IT specialists . For the past three weeks we have been advertising in the Herald and Navhind Times (as recommended by some from GoaNet) offering jobs for Java Programmers (and automotive researchers) but the response we get is very, very poor, both in terms of quantity and quality. We keep on reading about unemployment and about the lack of decent jobs on offer in Goa but are now wondering whether the need is indeed as great as it is presented in the press. Sure, our advertisement is small but the same advertisement in other areas of India resulted in a much better response. So, what is the the issue here? ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa news for July 23, 2006
Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Goa govt to crack down on foreigners buying land (The Economic Times) GOA: The Goa government will come down heavily on foreigners illegally purchasing property in Goa, in connivance with locals. Official statistics show that 482 foreigners have purchased land in Goa; while the exact number of violators is yet to be ascertained. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1784346.cms *** Alva to hold meeting with coalition partners in Goa (New Kerala) Panaji: All India Congress Committee General Secretary and Goa-incharge Margaret Alva would meet coalition partners in the state government during her two-day visit beginning today. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=25668 *** All-India open chess in north Goa from August 6 (New Kerala) Panaji: Eleven International Masters, including a Woman International Master, will participate in the Hirabai Salgaoncar FIDE-rated All-India open chess tournament to be held in north Goa between August 6 and 13. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=25895 *** Goa Minister assures probe into Kadamba Transport activities (New Kerala) Panaji: Under severe criticism from Opposition on the floor of the House, Goa Transport Minister Pandurang Madkaikar, today assured that an inquiry would be conducted into the affairs of boards of state-government run Kadamba Transport Corporation Limited (KTCL). http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=25902 *** Rs 18.91 lakh spent on Scheduled Tribe students in Goa (New Kerala) Panaji: The Goa government has spent Rs 18.91 lakh on honing the skills of students belonging to Scheduled Tribes, Social Welfare Minister Subhash Shirodkar told the state assembly today. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=25838 *** Goa to promote local vegetable and flower cultivation (New Kerala) Panaji: Goa government will promote cultivation of local vegetables and flowers by providing financial assistance to farmers through Goa State Horticulture Development Corporation (GSHDC), Agriculture Minister Fransisco Pacheco said. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=26501 *** Three foreign footballers report for U-20 camp in Goa (New Kerala) New Delhi: The search for talented foreign footballers who wish to represent the country at the international level received a boost with three youngsters of Indian origin joining the junior camp in Goa today. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=26471 *** Goa put on alert (Navhind Times) Panaji, July 21: The Chief Secretary, Mr J P Singh has said that a general alert has been sounded in Goa along with a few other states. In view of this, the state police are working out a plan to strengthen intelligence network so as to tighten security around vital installations. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=072225 *** Three foreign footballers report for U-20 camp in Goa (Outlook India) The search for talented foreign footballers who wish to represent the country at the international level received a boost with three youngsters of Indian origin joining the junior camp in Goa today. http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=400653 *** Meet the man who was too fat to mount an elephant in Goa! (Yahoo! India News) London, July 22 (ANI): Enormously fat Peter Rusling vowed to fight the flab, and lost 4 stone after an elephant in Goa had to be specially trained so that he could mount it. http://in.news.yahoo.com/060722/139/66364.html Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Classical Portuguese Cinema - 24-28 July 2006
"Cinema Clássico Português" O CLP/ Instituto Camões-Goa divulgará aspectos diversos do cinema clássico português mostrando cinco filmes a partir de Segunda-feira, dia 24 de Julho. Estes filmes, produzidos entre 1930 e 1950, retratam a sociedade de então nas suas vivências e temas de interesse cultural e histórico. 1 "A Aldeia da Roupa Branca", dirigido por Chianca de Garcia, 1938 (24 Julho) 2 "O Costa do Castelo", dirigido por Arthur Duarte, 1943 (25 Julho) 3 "Fado, História duma Cantadeira", dirigido por P.Queiroga, 1947 (26 Julho) 4 "Frei Luís de Sousa", dirigido por António Lopes Ribeiro, 1950 (27 Julho) 5 "O Leão da Estrela", dirigido por Arthur Duarte, 1947 (28 Julho) Estudantes do Departamento de Português da Universidade de Goa e membros do CLP/ Instituto Camões assim como cinéfilos em geral são convidados a participar nas sessões que terão lugar nas instalações do Centro de Língua Portuguesa/ Instituto Camões em Panaji das 17.30 às 19.30. "Classical Portuguese Cinema" CLP/ Instituto Camões-Goa, will be showing five Classical Portuguese movies from Monday, July 24th. These movies were produced between 1930 and 1950 showing different social and cultural aspects of the Portuguese society in the first half of the 20th. century. 6 "The Village of White Linen", directed by Chianca de Garcia, 1938 (24th. July) 7 "The Costa from Castelo", directed by Arthur Duarte, 1943 (25th. July) 8 "Fado, Story of a Fado Singer", directed by Perdigão Queiroga, 1947 (26th. July) 9 "Frei Luís de Sousa", directed by António Lopes Ribeiro, 1950 (27th. July) 10 "The Lion of Estrela", directed by Arthur Duarte, 1947 (28th. July) The students of the Department of Portuguese and members of CLP/IC as well as cinema enthusiasts are invited to participate in these sessions that will be held at the premises of the Centro de Língua Portuguesa/ Instituto Camões in Panaji from 05.30 p.m. to 07.30 p.m. (Legendas em Inglês/ Subtitles in English) Centro de Língua Portuguesa/ Instituto Camões AGVA HOUSE, 9/32 Dr. Dada Vaidya Road, Panaji-403001 GOA-ÍNDIA Tel: 00-91-832-6647737 «» E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
