date:20081005

2008/10/4 Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Dear Roland,


Goan Associations have a primary responsibility to their
members and do not
have the resources to take on a wider role


 Regards,

 Eddie Fernandes
 London, UK

RESPONSE: I dearly wish that this was true...it is not. There was a
trip to Bournemouth; non members were taken on Board, same cost as
members, I heard this from a non member who availed of this wonderful
gesture.

Goan seamen were rescued and cost the Association some. There are
other instances when member's interest was not always held as being
paramount.


-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.

[Goanet] Lady constable attempts suicide

2008-10-05 Thread D'Souza, Avelino

Lady constable attempts suicide
5 Oct 2008, 0257 hrs IST, Preetu Nair,TNN

PANAJI: A lady police constable Abhijita Chari (22) attempted suicide
alleging stress and mental harassment at her work place.  

Chari, who joined Indian Reserve Battalion (IRB) in June 2006, consumed
twelve tablets on Saturday at 7 pm in the barracks. On seeing that she
was not feeling well, her colleagues rushed her to Goa Medical College,
Bambolim. 

The doctors at GMC said that she had consumed Crocin, Norflox and
Lomotil. She was given a stomach wash and admitted in a ward. Doctors
said that her condition was stable. 

Speaking to TOI, Chari said that she had attempted suicide as she was
stressed after being mentally harassed for the last two years by her
seniors. She also said that she had informed the SP Waman Tari, who is
also the deputy commandant of IRB, about her situation at an orderly
rule on Friday. 

Confirming this, SP Tari said that he had heard her on Friday. The
reason why she attempted suicide is not yet known. We will be conducting
an inquiry into this to find out what the problem is, he said. 

Meanwhile, her mother, Arjuna Chari alleged that her daughter's seniors
were deliberately trying to defame her by creating an impression that
she is of loose character. A medico-legal case has been registered.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Lady_constable_attempts_suicide/a
rticleshow/3561220.cms

~(^^)~

Avelino

Re: [Goanet] Scientific literacy

2008-10-05 Thread Fr. Ivo C da Souza


From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:


***I do not understand the logic of Dr.Santosh.



This inability to understand is understandable given the evident lack
of clarity about what constitutes genuine science, scientific facts
and scientific explanations.  Here are some new contradictory
statements in this continuing saga of confusion regarding science and
the supernatural:

***Dr.Santosh is not understanding even my statements.
When I said that I do not understand his logic means
that he is not answering the problem raised by the phenomenon.
He is merely denying it as non-science. For him there is no God,
no miracles, therefore, he just denies whatever we propose as miracle.
This is not logic, nor scientific statements.
Again, there is no contradiction in my statements at all.
That is why I said that :

I do not need the scientific statement given by Dr.Santosh. All of us
know that scientifically it is not possible (actual conversion of
inanimate matter to human tissue).
I would rather challenge Dr.Santosh to examine at Lanciano and
explain the miraculous phenomenon.

There is no argument against the facts. These facts have been

accepted by scientists like Dr. Eduardo Linoli.
Mere denial of  facts does not provide a scientific explanation for
the phenomena.

***I stand by what I said.

The growing collection of muddles like these archived in this forum

illustrates the fact that books and websites on theology and the
supernatural do not provide any genuine knowledge about science,
irrespective of whether they are written by somebody with a science
background or not.
***These are gratuitous slogans repeated by somebody who does not see beyond 
Science. I
cannot expect better answers from Dr.Santosh. He cannot explain these 
facts...

Regards.
Fr.Ivo


Cheers,

Santosh

[Goanet] Draft Bill (MPPEI Act, 2008) proposes 10% seats for rich NRIs in Maharastra

2008-10-05 Thread Goa's Pride www.goa-world.com




Bill proposes 10% seats for rich NRIs

1 Oct 2008, 0409 hrs IST, Hemali Chhapia,TNN







 



 
 










MUMBAI: Even as lakhs of students battle it out for every precious seat in a 
government professional college, the state has decided to alter its clie 



ntele from the economically weak and middle class to the NRIs, who come with 
their high disposal income. In a contentious move, the Maharastra government 
has decided to divert seats from the merit quota to make way for the rich and 
the mighty in its aided institutes. 

The draft bill—Maharastra Private Professional Educational Institutions 
(regulation of admissions and fees) Act, 2008—states that aided colleges will 
be allowed to give 10% of their seats in each course to foreign or non-resident 
Indians. What’s even shocking is that these students will not be subjected to 
take any entrance test, which is a pre-requisite for any student aspiring to 
enrol in a professional course. According to the draft Bill, these students 
will be admitted on the basis of “inter-se merit among applicants for such 
seats’’. 

Aided professional colleges in Maharashtra include Sir JJ College of 
Architecture, Veermata Jijabai Technological Institute, Sardar Patel College of 
Engineering, Walchand College of Engineering and Rachna Sansad Academy of 
Architecture. In all, five engineering colleges, four pharmacy colleges, three 
architecture, 16 ayurveda, three unani and one home science college in the 
state are aided professional institutions. 

To date, admission to all state-aided institutions is based on the scores 
achieved in the government common entrance test. Students pay a nominal fee, 
which is way lower than what is charged in private professional colleges. With 
the new rule, the general category pool of seats will shrink. Currently, every 
aided college has 50% reservation for backward category students and the 
remaining seats are filled by general category students. Now that pool of seats 
will have to shared with the NRI candidates too. 
While minister for higher, technical and medical education Dilip Walse-Patil 
refused to comment on the issue, he said a group of experts, headed by the 
state law secretary, was poring through the draft Bill, before it can be 
presented in the Cabinet’s winter session. One of the committee members said 
the state has decided to “sell’’ a part of their seats in aided colleges with 
the aim of cutting the state’s burden on annual grant that is provided by the 
government. 

Currently, an aided institution either receives over 80% of its grants, which 
include recurring expenditure like salaries, from the state. “If a college 
takes in a handful of students with deep pockets, what is the harm in charging 
them more? We want aided colleges to be self sustaining, so they can also 
invest in high-end equipment and facilities,’’ said a member of the 
state-appointed committee. 

Vivek Korde, president of the Forum Against Commercialisation of Education, 
lambasted the state for adopting such a policy. “Aided institutions run largely 
by the government are the only hope for meritorious students in this age when 
professional education is getting out of reach for middle class students. Why 
does the state want to sell these seats at a high rate?’’ he said. 

Moreover, the draft Bill states that the state government holds the rights to 
set fees for these NRI students, defined as a ward or a child of an NRI. 

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[Goanet] Build up Zero Chances within Zero Tolerance

Dr. U. G. Barad wrote:

Of late increasing blasts and waves of violence are rocking city after city
in India. After every blast or violence one or other outfits / mastermind is
named as suspect. Thereafter that case(s) is transferred from the Police to
the Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) and then from the ATS to the Central Bureau
of Investigation (CBI). And finally 'Operation Cover-up' takes place only
with a covert view not to punish the culprit(s). This raises the obvious
question: does continuance of intimidation indicate that our apex
investigation agencies or judiciary are not discharging their functional
duties as is required? There might be n numbers of reasons for initiating
'Operation Cover-up' as there might be equal numbers of reasons for
terrorism activities flaring up. 

Comment:
1. As an aside, I suspect this write up has been ghost written as the post does 
not carry the trade mark bad English, atrocious spellings and lack of clarity 
of the subject. However, if Dr Barad is indeed the author of this post, then 
kudos to him for the marked improvement over the previous posts. I hope he will 
maintain these standards.
2. If one has been following news reports in the media, and I mean the 
mainstream media, it would be amply clear that our police have little or no 
clue to what is happening. After every incident, under public pressure,they 
immediately jump into action and effect a number of arrests stating that they 
have nabbed the masterminds and broken the module. Until the next incident 
takes place, by which time public memory being short, the story is again 
repeated.
3. Under police torture, confessions are obtained. But since the actual 
culprits are at large, there is no stopping further incidents.
4. Bomb blasts and terrorism is not the monopoly of only Islamic terrorists. 
There are terrorists in the extreme right too who have so far not been 
investigated with the same seriousness and enthusiasm. There have been 
incidents in Kanpur, Nanded, Navi Mumbai and other places where the SS which is 
affiliated to the HJS( headquartered in Goa!!!) have been found to have a hand. 
Incidents in muslim dominated Malegaon and Hyderabad where muslims have been 
the main victims suggest deeper investigations are needed.  
Dr Barad wrote:
In a pluralistic society like ours,national identity cannot be adjudged by any 
litmus test ... This nation does not belong to any single race. This 
expression is absolutely true and in line with the Constitution of India. But 
the biggest question is: Is his government practicing what he is preaching? On 
the contrary, his government is seen pampering minorities and yet not willing 
to finalize minority related 103rd Amendment - a perfect double role strategy 
which smells dubiousness. 
Comment:  
The sangh parivar loves using the words 'pampering minorities' and 'minority 
appeasement' and as examples they point out to the Haj subsidy or declaring 
Prophet Mohammed's birthday as a public holiday. However, they gloss over the 
tax exemption given to HUF's or subsidies given by various state government for 
religious pilgrimages. eg: subsidy given by Gujarat govt to Hindu pilgrims 
going to Mansarovar.They ignore the facilities govts give in places like 
Amarnath, Shirdi, and other religious places. Further only dalits from Hindu, 
Buddhist and Sikh religions are extended state benefits. Dalits who embrace 
Islam or Christianity are immediately deprived of any benefit. So much for 
pampering!!! If one reads the Sachar Committee Report it would be amply clear 
who is being pampered. Muslims lag behind on every development parameter except 
on their numbers filling state prisons. In Gujarat POTA has been used against 
muslims but not a single hindu was arrested under POTA inspite of the genocide 
committed against muslims. 

Dr Barad wrote:
At this point, it's time to recall and read the ruling / the judgment which
was passed by Allahabad High Court.  The Allahabad High Court had held that
Muslims with 18.5 per cent of Uttar Pradesh's population in 2001 - were not
a religious minority in the state. The judgment also pronounced that state
government should treat members of the Muslim community as equal to those
belonging to the non-minority communities without discrimination in
accordance with the law. 
Comment: Dr Barad fails to mention that the order was stayed by the SC and that 
strictures were passed by the SC against the offending Judge for exceeding his 
brief and giving vent to his personal prejudices.

Dr Barad wrote:
In short, if the bill (103rd Amendment) has to see the light of the day it
has to be amended to give definitions of minorities in line with apexes
courts landmark judgments and also abolish the existing national minorities
pari passu. Such amendment once in place will obviate any confusion on the
question of minorities. 
Comment: It has been the objective and dream of the sangh parivar to reduce 
minorities in India to the status of second

[Goanet] On conversion - Respect an individual's decision by Shashi Tharoor

Here is a follow up article by Shashi Tharoor in the Times of India dt 
5.10.2008.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Columnists/Shashi_Tharoor/Respect_an_individuals_decision/articleshow/3561097.cms

Regards,

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[Goanet] Current killings and violence against the Christians in India

2008-10-05 Thread edward desilva

If you are wondering where ex-Police Commissioner of Mumbai, Julio Ribeiro, is 
and what his thoughts are on the current killings and violence against the 
Christians in India, well, here is what he has to sayall we can do from our 
corner of the world is pray for peace and hope that better sense may prevail. 


 The testimony of ONE CHRISTIAN

Former supercop 
Julio Ribeiro 
reacts to the communal killings in Orissa


    Iam a Christian, a Roman Catholic to be precise. I have suddenly realised 
this. It is quite amazing that I did not think of myself as a Christian all 
these years! I was an Indian. Religion was in the private domain. No one made 
me feel that I was different and I never felt different. On one occasion in a 
temple in Punjab even the VHP's Ashok Singhal seemed well disposed! 
    
Why did it suddenly occur to me that I was a Christian? I really do not know 
the answer. I only know that I am sorely disappointed with the BJP for not 
reining in the VHP and Bajrang Dal, who like the SIMI and its offshoot, the 
Indian Mujahideen, feel that the best and only way to attain peace is to kill 
those who they think are different. 

    My ancestors, like those of most Christians in India, were Hindus. True, I 
have a strange name. It is Portuguese in origin, but neither I nor the numerous 
other Christians sporting Portuguese surnames like Fernandes (George is a 
friend of the BJP) have any Portuguese blood. Our ancestors got these surnames 
when they were baptised and the surnames were those of the different clerics 
who officiated at their initiation. 

    Was force or coercion used? I dare say it was. If not force, then certainly 
coercion. Lure of land, I learn, was the main instrument of that coercion. All 
land was appropriated by the conquerors and only those who converted retained 
their share. This, I dare say, was a powerful attraction. Even today, ownership 
of land is a dominant craving. 

    Times were different in 1540 when the Portuguese landed in Goa. There was 
the Inquisition and the fervour of religious conviction. But I refuse to 
believe that force can be an option in this day and age. Can anyone be 'forced' 
to convert as the fanatics suggest? Possibly, there can be inducement. But how 
far can one go with inducements? Money, land, jobs, education? If money and 
land were in plenty to distribute, all or most converts would be immensely 
affluent. But that is hardly the case. 

    Most Christian missionaries concentrate on education, health, social 
welfare. This may tempt somemarginalised families to cross over, but the answer 
to that would be to undertake such efforts yourself and not kill those who are 
doing what you yourself should have done long ago. 

    The empowerment of the marginalised threatens the vested interests of the 
upper classes. For generations, tribals and scheduled castes have been kept 
down. Christian missionaries, with their stress on education and health, have 
challenged the foundations of this social order. That, I believe, is the cause 
of the present upheaval. 

The Christian missionaries do believe that their own religion is the only true 
one. All the three Abrahamanical religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, 
grounded in the theory of creation, believe that theirs is the only true 
religion. Judaism is not known to convert. The other two do. In this day and 
age, it is difficult to support the notion of conversions. I, for one, do not. 
To my mind it is not necessary to convert anyone. Even the Catholic Church to 
which I belong has accepted that good human beings, irrespective of religious 
belief, can attain salvation. 

But there are those who think otherwise. Should they be butchered? It is not 
only unlawful to kill. It is also immoral. And if the VHP and Bajrang Dal, like 
the SIMI and the Indian Mujahideen, do not understand this simple rule, it is 
the duty of the Indian State to make them aware of it. No excuses should be 
advanced to mitigate the horrendous nature of their barbarity, as some BJP 
leaders have done. Because excuses are quickly turned into mandates. 

    Personally, I do not believe that many Hindus have been converted to 
Christianity in recent times in Karnataka or even in Orissa. In Kerala, the 
Christians have been around for the past 2,000 years. But if some conversions 
have taken place, there are legal remedies available. Surely no one can be 
permitted to take the law into his own hands and become prosecutor, judge and 
executioner rolled into one. 

    And this is why I am disappointed with the BJP. The party has not come out 
strongly against the atrocities heaped on the Christians of Orissa and 
Karnataka. L K Advani himself studied at St Patrick's, a Jesuit school in 
Karachi. Nobody tried to convert him or other boys and girls who have passed 
out of Christian schools and colleges in India. He and they continue to be good 
Hindus, or Muslims or Sikhs. 

    More important, they continue to

[Goanet] 'Romi is a script, cannot be spoken' (Kiran Budkuley, in ToI)

2008-10-05 Thread Goanet News

'Romi is a script, cannot be spoken'

What Konkani needs is a battery of welltrained, competent teachers,
not an additional script, writes
Kiran Budkuley

Of late, a lot of dust is being kicked up for an additional script for
Goa's official language Konkani. Those who demand official recognition
for Konkani in Roman (Romi) script, argue as though 'Romi Konkani'
were an independent dialect.

These misconceived arguments are based less on linguistic or cultural
facts and more on unscientific reasoning. For example, the
protagonists consider — as is evident from their oft-aired arguments —
that Devnagari is a 'Hindu script' and hold that there exists a 'Romi
Konkani' of the Christians as distinct from 'Devnagari Konkani'. While
it is true that a majority of those who write Konkani in the Romi
script are Christians, several illustrious non-Christian writers,
following the trend set by Shenoi Goembab, have also been using it.

Similarly, while almost all Goan Hindus write in the Devnagari script,
a large percent of Christians in the age group of 10-50 years, also
do. It is often argued (wrongly) that Christian children find it hard
to write in the Devnagari script, implying thereby that enmass, they
lack some faculty that their counterparts in other religions happen to
possess. Is the script of a language tied indelibly to the umbilical
chord of a certain faith?

We have been conveniently ignoring one fact: The level of
writing-competence among average students, in any script, depends
hugely (almost exclusively) on teaching-competence and not merely on
student-competence. So, what we presently need is a battery of
well-trained, competent Konkani teachers. Not an additional script.

Romi script protagonists also contend that it is an aspect of Goan
Christian culture. While one respects the sentiments of Christians who
believe that their dialectic variations of Konkani are distinct and
need to be preserved, one can not but laugh at the view expressed that
there is something called Romi Konkani that is 'spoken' by Christians.

The simple fact, is that 'Romi' is a term derived from 'Roman' to
denote a 'script' — a mode of writing. Further a 'script' cannot be
spoken by any one. Bardexi (Baardeshi?), Saxtti (Sashti), Antruzi
(Antruji) are some of the dialects of Konkani, recognized by linguists
and scholars. However, those who believe in the distinctness of
Christian variant(s) rightly want it to be preserved and passed to
posterity as a mark of their cultural exclusiveness.

But this 'exclusive' component comprises the Konkani lexicon. It finds
expression in the stylistic or grammatical mode of Konkani. It is used
in the day-to-day vocabulary, in the manner of speaking, and in the
pronunciation of words.

But it cannot be expressed in or through script. For instance, 'hem
oxem ghodta' can be also written as 'hen ashem ghadtta,' or even as
'hem oshem ghodtta'.

Script cannot ensure that what is written will be pronounced the way
it is intended by the writer; just as what is pronounced in a certain
way will be accurately captured in the script.

If the mere use of the Roman script could have brought in a perfect
coordination of sounds and spellings, then languages as diverse as
English, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian would not have had nouns such as
'Don Quixote' written uniformly while being pronounced differently.

Conversely, why would they use different spellings/names for definite
names such as London/Panaji. Even the holy name of Christ is written
and pronounced differently while using an identical script.

The reason for these variations is not on account of any flaw in these
languages or in the script; it lies in the 'distinctness of the
linguistic and cultural context' of these European languages, in spite
of their use of a common Roman script.

Moreover, these examples show beyond doubt, that sounds associated
with alphabets of the Roman script, can and do vary from language to
language, as do the letters of the alphabet itself, even with regard
to native terms. Mere script does not give any cultural exclusiveness
to a language-culture group.

Devnagari script is acknowledged as near-perfect, particularly for
indigenous/native sounds and words. It is the most accommodative even
for non-indigenous or foreign sounds, due to a well-demarcated
consonantvowel-diphthongal structure ascribed within its alphabet
scheme which makes for consistent phonetic patterns.

In other words, the Devnagari script has a syllabicsound base to its
alphabet. Moreover, since this script is indigenous to the Indo-Aryan
languages, it can account for all the sounds native to Konkani, which
is also an Indo-Aryan language.

Fixing the native Konkani words and phonetics into the Romi script had
been a historical necessity for the European Christian missionaries
well-versed with the Konkani language. Their efforts to write in an
alien language by using the script of their own language (i.e.
Portuguese) are commendable. So is the worth of

[Goanet] COPA GOA / COPA INDIA 2008 FINAL RESULTS DUBAI

2008-10-05 Thread BONNIE FERNANDES

Dear Colleagues,
 
Could you please publish the finals of the Copa Goa  Copa India 2008 Ramadan 
Soccer tournament played at the Iranian Sports Complex on 02/10/2008.
 
GAME PLAYED ON 02/10/2008 AT 5.30PM (EXHIBITION MATCH - KERALA XI V/S GOA XI)

SUB:- Kerala XI edge over Goa XI 

Kerala XI V/S Goa XI  
 
This is an annual tradition to have an exhibition match between these two great 
soccer loving states and the spectators also look forward to the contest. The 
match started on a very friendly manner but picked up speed with both the teams 
trying to make good moves with the experienced play makers and supplying to 
their respective forwards to finish the ball into the net, but the young 
forwards failed to complete the task. 
The second half saw some spectacular moves from the Kerala XI and put Goa XI 
under pressure, but did not take long for the Kerala XI to change the score 
sheet. The only goal of the match came in the 15th minute of the second half by 
Shaji who beat the Goa XI goalkeeper as he was blocked by his defender. Goa XI 
tried to keep the pressure but could not get any change in the score sheet.  
 
Final score Kerala XI-1 While Goa XI -0

  
GAME PLAYED ON 02/10/2008 AT 6.30PM(COPA INDIA 2008 FINALS) 

 SUB: Aldona United -Dubai Lift Copa India 2008 Ramadan Football Tournament

Aldona United - Dubai V/S Zyco Dubai.

Both teams balanced out with good moves into each others halves missing 
on targets  the keepers at both ends were very busy, the first half ended 
goalless.
Second half was much more interesting  Aldona United took the lead in the very 
2nd minute through Urban Borges who took advantage of the misunderstanding 
between the defenders  goalkeeper.
Aldona United sealed the match with the 2nd goal scored in the 18th minute of 
the second half through Oswald Dias who received a well positioned ball from 
the right flank  did not have to put in much effort but simply tap the ball 
over Zyco Dubai goalkeeper.
  
Final score Aldona United-Dubai 2 while Zyco Dubai 0
 
 
GAME PLAYED ON 02/10/2008 AT 7.30PM(COPA GOA 2008 FINALS) 

 SUB: Morjim Veterans Champions of Copa Goa 2008 Ramadan Football Tournament

Morjim Veterans V/S Siolim Union - Dubai (Lebanese Insurance Co.) 

The starting minutes of the match did not witness any spectacular moves but as 
the match progressed both the sides made some good attempts besides both the 
goalkeepers made some unbelievable saves. The first half did not see any change 
in the score sheet.
The second half saw both the team playing with zest  increased the tempo to a 
much higher level though the forwards of both sides did make good moves, tried 
all possible shorts at the post  that kept both the goalkeepers agile  active 
through out the second half.
Finally the score did not change as it ended goalless  the teams went into a 
tie breaker.
The tie breaker went in favor of Morjim Veterans and were crowned Champions of 
Copa Goa 2008 Ramadan Soccer Tournament.

Final score Morjim Veterans 4 while Siolim United (Lebanese Insurance Co) 3
 
PRIZE DISTRIBUTION:-
 
CHIEF GUEST :MR.BRUNO COUTINHO (Ex-CAPTAIN OF INDIAN FOOTBALL TEAM  ARJUNA 
AWARD WINNER)
GUEST OF HONOUR : MR.SAVIO ALEMAO
 
1. COPA INDIA 2008
 
a. CHAMPIONS : ALDONA UNITED (WINNERS TROPHY + 
Aed 2,000 + 20 Individual Cups)
b. RUNNERs UP : ZYCO DUBAI (RUNNERS-UP TROPHY + 
Aed 1,000 + 20 Individual Cups)
c. TOP SCORER : FAZIL G-7 (AL AIN)
d. BEST PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT  : CRUZ DIAS (ALDONA UNITED)
e. BEST DEFENDER    : JAMSHED (ZYCO DUBAI)
F. BEST GOALKEEPER : SATISH KUMAR ( QFCC)
G. SPECIAL TROPHY   : RUSSELL ROSARIO (Aldona United)
 
 
2. COPA GOA 2008
 
a. CHAMPIONS  : Morjim Veterans (TROPHY + 20 
lndividuial Cups)
b. RUNNERs UP  : Siolim Union-Dubai (LEBANESE 
INSURANCE CO) / (TROPHY + 20 Individual Cups)
c. Best Disciplined Team : St.Anthony's Monte De Guirium
d. Highest Scorer  : Russell Rodrigues 
(St.Anthony's Monte De Guirium)
e. Promising Player: Hassan Naik (Morjim Veterans)
f. Best Goalkeeper: Newton Pereira (Siolim Union 
Dubai)
g. Best Player of the Tournament: Rajeev Chawla ( Morjim Veterans)
 

The tournament is sponsored by Project Arabia Shipping Services LLC, Bridgeway 
Shipping Services, AL Talib Shipping Services, UAE Exchange,  Obegi 
Chemicals LLC, Techno Plus LLC, Jeema Mineral Mineral Water, Gopinath Technical 
Company LLC, Western Union, Zulfa Furnishing  Decoration LLC., Marques Advt.  
Gift Trading, Star Overseas Intl., Seal Logistics, Basel Watch Co. Globelink 
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With kind regards,
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Re: [Goanet] Lornas New Album - Dennem

2008-10-05 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या

2008/10/5 Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Dear Gabe,

 I quite deliberately suggested that Goan Associations have a primary
 responsibility to their
 Members

 Is it your contention that they have an exclusive responsibility to their
 Members?


 Eddie Fernandes


Dear Eddie,

This is what is in the Memorandum and Articles, should the Association
wish to deviate, then this should be brought to the members for
change. The members who took it on themselves, to help out the Goan
seamen had to come cap in hand to the membership for reimbursement.

I am not sure the memorandum can be changed, it is the heart of the
Constitution; if am I wrong, no doubt, I shall be corrected fortwith.


DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.

[Goanet] What is the socio-political-economic situation of Daman Diu?

2008-10-05 Thread Teotonio R. de Souza

Would any goanetter be able to briefly sum up the picture of
socio-political-economic situation of these two territories since they were
detached from Goa? What would be the proportion of Christian communities and
what is their political presence? 



Teotonio R. de Souza 

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[Goanet] Made in Australia - Konkani style

Made in Australia - Konkani style Tiatr -1
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=mYWD6xOSySY

Made in Australia - Konkani style Tiatr - 2
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=0a8Cz23VB1gfeature=user

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[Goanet] KMK and GWC all set for KONKANI VARIETY SHOW on 9th Oct. (Thursday)

2008-10-05 Thread Goa's Pride www.goa-world.com









 



















 











www.goa-world.com 
GULAB Silver Jubilee Celebrations in Kuwait continues 

with Konkani Variety Show! 

  

Konkani lovers in Kuwait in coordination with the Gulab Working Committee (GWC) 
under the auspices of Kala Mogui Kuwait (KMK) is all set to give you yet 
another mind blowing Konkani Variety Show to be held on Thursday, October 9th 
2008 at 6.15 pm, at the Carmel School Auditorium, Kheitan.  

  

http://www.goa-world.com/goa/gulab/index.htm 

  

Having witnessed the Silver Jubilee Launch Ceremony with 25 personalities on 
stage who represented 25 years of  GULABÂ on August 15th 2008, now come and 
watch more than 100 participants perform for the cause of first colored Konkani 
Monthly Magazine GULAB.   

  

The ENTRANCE FREE show is a blend of Goan culture, traditional songs, dance, 
music  lots more, is well supported by coordinators, costumes designers, 
make-up-artistes, back stage crew, stage designer, sound engineer, supporters, 
sponsors and above all the one and only one Music Guru SHAHU. 

  

Live performance Pearl Beats, Budding Sensation The Dance Fiesta, Lake 
Beauties Goenchim Sallkam, Young Talents Fultim Fullam, Forever Yours Viva 
La Goa and magnificent Konkani lovers GWC, and Guess Who? 

  

A special issue of GULAB and a colorful souvenir will be released to mark 
this unique occasion which will focus on Goan and Mangalorean organizations in 
Kuwait and prominent personalities among the community. A Konkani Literary 
Awards Ceremony will highlight the yeomen services and recognition of all those 
who supported GULAB and the common binding link between the Konkan people â€œ 
Goa's State Official Language Konkani. 

  

For further details, email [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mob:  99391452, 99540232 or Gulab 
Working Committee members.  

  

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Re: [Goanet] Lornas New Album - Dennem

2008-10-05 Thread Eddie Fernandes

Dear Gabe,

I quite deliberately suggested that Goan Associations have a primary
responsibility to their
Members

Is it your contention that they have an exclusive responsibility to their
Members?


Eddie Fernandes
==

From: Eddie Fernandes 
Goan Associations have a primary responsibility to their
members and do not have the resources to take on a wider
role

RESPONSE: I dearly wish that this was true...it is not.

Re: [Goanet] Civic reforms needed. Raise the bar. What 'Incredible' India ITO?

2008-10-05 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

That reminds me.  

I was travelling Singapore-Mumbai on SIA, and we were about to land.  The usual 
announcement re laptops / electronic equipment to be switched off. A bloke of 
Indian origin, kept on using his laptop. Air-hostess was ignored.  Then comes 
the purser, who proceeded to tell the guy off in such a manner that he 
literally squirmed in his seat.  I could hear threats of arrest etc. Only then 
was the laptop turned off. 

I always use SIA to travel Melbourne-Singapore-Mumbai and vice versa enroute to 
Goa, and it is the Singapore-Mumbai sector that I usually feel embarassed with 
the behaviour of some deshis.  

The worst offender the last time I travelled, was the traffic control at Mumbai 
- delayed our flight unnecessarily by 3 hours, thereby causing onward 
connection issues.  Thankfully, SIA accomodated and rearranged onward flight 
plans, including arranging that the last flight from Brisbane to Rockhampton be 
delayed by some minutes to accomodate my son's late arrival at Brisbane (we 
split at Singapore, he going to Brissy and I to Melb). He was the first person 
out, was rushed through immigration and customs by SIA personnel, and put on 
the flight to Rocky, at Brisbane.  That's what I call real service. 

Gabriel.
from a bright and sunny yet cool Melbourne (hail expected tomorrow, but that's 
Melbourne for you).

--- On Sat, 4/10/08, Ruby Goes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Ruby Goes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Goanet] Civic reforms needed. Raise the bar. What 'Incredible' 
 India ITO?
 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Received: Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 3:02 PM
 http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1195318pageid=2
 
 Yes, they're out of their seats and at cabin lockers
 retrieving their bags
 during the landing. Seen it with my own eyes. The hostie
 intervened.
 The writer has adequately stated the horrors of getting
 about on the
 Subcontinent. Maybe that's why I've given Goa a
 miss these last 2 years.
 Recent terrorism activity is another deterrent to TRAVEL IN
 INDIA. Bad news
 for all of us. Wouldn't mind a drive to Vagator, Madam
 Sosa with no ice but
 cold soda and lots of lime juice and Konkani radio. 
 
 Au revoir.
 rubygoes
 (non resident Goan)


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[Goanet] Only woman left on Goanet?

2008-10-05 Thread Miguel Braganza


Dear Joe,
Of the 33 names you posted , please check how many of the ones that I have
retained below are actually Women or Woe-man or We-men.

And if the Sebastian you call a woman happens to be the geology
Prof., you are headed for trouble in Devanagri! ;-( You may even get stoned
... with geology.

Check out Jeevan before you get a Mrutyu-dandd , death sentence.

Mog asundi.

Miguel

From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] Only woman left on Goanet?
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

After doing a quick scan on last months posts, I have found over 33 women.

Following women posted at least one msg during the month of Sept.2008

Jeevan
Ken  Alice
Kiran
Merwyn  Elsie
Patice
Sebastian
Valley
Vandana  Arun

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Re: [Goanet] BOOK REVIEW: The Tailor's Daughter by Ben Antao - Reviewed by Cornel DaCosta

2008-10-05 Thread CORNEL DACOSTA

Hi Gabe
As I did not send the review of the Tailor's Daughter to Goanet intentionally, 
I wonder, with tongue and cheek, if it was inappropriate for Goanet 
moderators to 'appropriate' it for Goanet?

Secondly, I have been unable to obtain your explanation as to how Eliza ought 
to have confronted Jorge. I can't enter into the site you indicated. So, please 
can you indicate in your own words what Eliza ought to have done?
Just intrigued!
Regards
Cornel 
 


--- On Thu, 2/10/08, Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Comment: Instead of giving herself to Jorge, she should
 have
 confronted him thus:-
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXhkOpzoVrM

[Goanet] Colva Consumer Forum launches agitation for direct bus service to Colva beach

2008-10-05 Thread Goa Desc

 -
Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members,
relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED
-
--
Colva Forum launches agitation for direct bus service to Colva beach
-
Volunteers of the Colva Civic and Consumer Forum and GOACAN
held a protest demonstration to highlight the plight of the consumers
faced with the hardship of not having a bus service from Margao KTC
Bus Stand via Mungul  Per Seraulim to Colva Beach.

Armed with black flags and placards listing their demands on the eve
of World Tourism Day, the Consumer Forum volunteers were geared
up for full scale agitation which will draw National  International
attention as Colva is a world famous tourist destination.

The consumers speaking at the protest stated that many years ago
the Govt. officials had the excuse that the railway bridge at Mungul
was an obstacle for the bus to ply but today the sheer vested
monopoly interest on the one hand and the apathy of the Govt.
officials are the cause for this hardship.

Thousands of resident Goans, domestic  foreign tourists are being
denied access to the Colva beach from the main Margao KTC Bus
Stand via Mungul although the journey could be completed in 15
minutes. The present bus route available to Colva Beach is via
Benaulim village and the journey takes nearly an hour with all the
bus stops along the way. Besides for the residents of Per Seraulim
and Gandaulim other then the overloaded taxi service there is no
bus service.

The irony is there are State Transport buses from the neighboring
Karnataka that come to Colva Beach but the State owned Kadamba
Transport Corporation Ltd is unable to provide a daily service. In fact
on some earlier occasions some vested interested parties stoned
the bus that was plying which eventually stopped and the excuse
that was presented was that the route is uneconomical to the bus
owners.

The Consumer Forum and GOACAN has decided to intensify the
agitation next week after a delegation meets the various authorities
to demand opening of the bus route with adequate buses plying
during the day on a daily basis so that it serves the residents as
well as the visiting tourists.

Although the authorities like the Transport Department had received
petitions from individual consumers on the bus service problem
nothing concrete was done. As one placard says it all  Transport
Department on bus fare hike, IMMEDIATE ACTION !! on bus service
to Colva, ABSOLUTE INACTION !!

The Consumer Forum had been mobilising consumers to raise the
issue at the Gram Sabha of the Village Panchayat of Sernabatim,
Vanelim, Colva and Gandaulim and recently a resolution was
unanimously passed at the Gram Sabha demanding that a bus
service be started to Colva Beach via Mungul  Per Seraulim

The Consumer Forum will submit representations to Chief Minister
Digamber Kamat, Tourism Minister Francisco Micky Pacheco,
Transport Minister Ramkrishna Sudin Dhavalikar, GTDC Chairman
 MLA Shyam G. Satardekar, GTDC Vice Chairman Lyndon Monteiro,
Tourism Director  GTDC Managing Director Elvis Gomes and Zilla
Panchayat Member Nelly Rodrigues demanding that they personally
get involved in getting the bus service started on this route.

Meanwhile the Consumer Forum will also make representations to
the Collector  Chairman South District Consumer Protection Council
Mr. G.P. Naik, Director of Civil Supplies  Consumer Affairs Mr. Sunil
P. Masurkar and Mr. Jose Philip D'Souza Minister for Civil Supplies 
Consumer Affairs for action under the Consumer Protection Act 1986
as the consumers have been deliberately denied this bus service.
--
Press Release from the Colva Civic and Consumer Forum
--
 
GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK

promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa

GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601
GOACAN Post Box  78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507
mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--

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[Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - III

2008-10-05 Thread marlon menezes

I was personally hoping that the socialist bail out package would fail. In its 
first time around, most Republicans correctly defied the increasingly 
irrelevant President and voted against it. Not surprisingly, a larger fraction 
of the left leaning Democrats voted to support Comrade Bush.

Unfortunately in its second pass, it got approved by large portions of both 
parties.

What does it mean for America and the world?

1) In the short run, it could mean more inflation, depreciating USD values and 
continued declines in America's standard of living. I think the latter would 
have happened even if there was no bailout package. The US has been living 
beyond its means for a long time. Some facts to ponder:

* Total government debt has crossed 10 Trillion dollars. It was around 4 
Trillion just 8 years ago. As a % of GNP, it is now around 75% and is at its 
highest levels since the 1950's (after WW2).
* US consumer savings rates are around 1-2%. In 2006, it was actually negative. 
The relatively so called good years of the past decade was mainly driven by 
high consumption using borrowed money - both at the federal and consumer level.
* US trade deficits as a % of its GNP are actually lower now than in the mid 
1980's. However this time around, the pillars of consumer debt and accumulated 
govt. debt may make this an issue in impacting the value of the dollar.

I am feeling very Japanese these days. After Japan's asset bubble burst in the 
early 1990's, it has suffered from a decade of little or no growth. To 
counteract the down turn, the Japanese govt. went into many deficit spending to 
get itself out of its rut. It failed, so much so that compared to the US, Japan 
has an even worse accumulated govt. debt load of 140% of GNP. In Japan, the 
consumers who had the money, never stepped in to boost consumption. In the US, 
the financially strapped consumers will have no choice in this matter - they 
don't have the money. Hence it may make sense to short consumer driven sectors 
such as durable goods.

2) If there is place I would invest in, it is in clean/renewable energy. The 
bailout package has additional legislation that includes promotion of clean 
energy in the US. World wide wind energy demand is currently growing at a rate 
of 80% pa, while for solar it is around 40%. I think investing in these sectors 
should be reasonably safe bets.

3) Although everyone talks about inflation, I would like to suggest that the 
reverse - deflation may actually occur over the longer term (2+ years). It all 
depends upon how severe this downturn will be - bad or very bad. If the 
recession in protracted, we can expect significant price pressures on many 
products and commodities. If this happens, it would be a good idea to maintain 
significant cash positions. It is possible that the US could try and counteract 
this by printing even more money by going into even larger deficits, in which 
case it would be a good idea to dump the dollar. Furthermore, there is already 
talk to America's credit rating being downgraded. 

Thanks to poor management and the focus on wrong priorities such as the 
disastrous Iraq war, the fall of the American economy in the last 8 years has 
been quite stunning. Whoever wins the next election, will have a difficult 
challenge ahead of him. I think the fiscally conservative McCain would be a 
better choice, but Obama may also be ok too. Regardless, either candidate would 
be better than the monkey currently occupying the white house. I hope monkeys 
around the world will not be insulted with this reference.

Marlon

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Top Posters (2004/July)

2008-10-05 Thread Seb dc


Thanks Joe, See what i meant with my earlier post.

68 in a month, and i never knew this!! what a difference between now  
then..


hAVE a nICE dAY
Seb


From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GMT 0015 1.8.04   (4 years ago)

Number of postings per member (decending order):
  Cecil Pinto 11
FN   84 Jerry Fernades 11
Gabe Menezes 83 Lino Dourado 11
Gilbert Lawrence  75 Miguel Bragnza 11
@Goanet.org 65 Goa’sPride 10
R barreto  60 Jorge/Livia Abr 10
Domnic Fdes 55 Floriano Lobo 9
Sebdc 38 HelgadoRosario 9
Joagoauk  34 Godfrey Gonsalv 8
...
Jose lourenco 12 Anisa Fernandes 5
Paulo Colaco 12 Joel Disouza 5
Venatius Pinto 12

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Earlier wrote..

I actually know 6 people who have withdrawn their membership from Goanet,

Now i occasionally post
to goanet...as its no longer the same as 5 years back.

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Moderation

2008-10-05 Thread Santosh Helekar

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Bosco - Goanet Volunteer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 RESPONSE: FALSE!! The moderator did the right thing and asked the poster to 
 direct his questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .


This is quite a mystery! The above is a response to my following statement:

Regarding what the rejection message said, it asked me to send my
questions to the Goanet moderators. --- Santosh

This statement of mine can only be false if Goanet-Admin does not
refer to the Goanet moderators. But please note that the above
response from Bosco - Goanet Volunteer [EMAIL PROTECTED] was signed
by Bosco, Goanet Admin

Therefore, I have no choice but to insult the intelligence of the said
Goanet volunteer/Goanet Admin representative and ask this question:

Is Goanet Admin not the same as Goanet moderators? If so, what are the
names of these two distinct sets of individual(s)?

I never knew this thankless job of moderation could be so mysterious
and complicated.

Cheers,

Santosh

[Goanet] Build up Zero Chances within Zero Tolerance

2008-10-05 Thread Dr. U. G. Barad

Marshel / Marshall,

 

Don't spend your time to suspect or imagine! 

 

Think positively towards saving Goa!!

 

Write to fight / get evil out of GOA. 

 

Best regards,

 

Dr. U. G. Barad

Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related websites

2008-10-05 Thread Miguel Braganza

Bosco-bab,
 
Tumi atam mhunntat:
Please curtail this aimless arguing. It is wasting your time, my time and a 
lot of bandwidth that serves no purpose. Thank you.
 
I thought that was the main objective of Goanet where most of the discussions 
are great and contrived exercises in futility. Take the topic of Should USA 
attack Iraq? or Manohar Parrikar should be CM of Goa. Nothing could stop USA 
and no one could make Parrikar CM  and it is next to impossible to get 
Goanet Admin to understand what some of the regular [im]posters on Goanet are 
trying to say about being even handed. Give them a Big hand folks! The 
other hand necessarily becomes the small hand when one is thumping the chest 
instead of clapping. 
 
Clapping is even handed, chest thumping is not!   ;-)
 
I will read the links sent by you and rest my case. There is the Regional Plan 
[RiP Goa] 2021 that needs urgent attention. You can have your say. My last two 
words on this subject are place below, above my name :
 
Mog asundi.
 
Miguel



Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:14:16 -0400
From: Bosco - Goanet Volunteer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related
    websites
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Miguel Braganza wrote:

 Dears,
 The original thread of this discussion about MODERATION on Goanet is
 [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related websites
 The golden rules of Goanet state that no one should change the subject 
 line.

RESPONSE:  We are on the same team afterall.
 Our responses took off from Mervyn Lobo's message that initiated this thread. 
The first message can be found here:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-September/081245.html

Goanet Rules do not BAN changing subject lines. 
http://goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=9

Please curtail this aimless arguing. It is wasting your time, my time and a 
lot of bandwidth that serves no purpose. Thank you.

- Bosco
Goanet Admin
http://www.goanet.org



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[Goanet] Weldone Bosco

2008-10-05 Thread Dr. U. G. Barad

Dear Bosco,

 

A timely Excellent Rebuff.

 

Best regards,

 

Dr. U. G. Barad

 

 

Message: 4

Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:14:16 -0400

From: Bosco - Goanet Volunteer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related

  websites

To: Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

RESPONSE: Arre mhojea ixtta...shanneponn bond kor and borem bashem 

uloi..boshto fugar zainakai. There is nothing that cannot be discussed 

in a civil manner. We are on the same team afterall.

 

Neither Herman nor Bosco broke any Goanet Rules. Even you participated in 

this thread. Now you raise a phony claim. Our responses took off from Mervyn


Lobo's message that initiated this thread. The first message can be found 

here:

 

http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-September/081245.ht
ml

 

On another note, Goanet Rules do not BAN changing subject lines. On the 

contrary Goanet Rules have indicated how to change subject lines if the need


arise. Please refer to the 'subject line' section in Goanet Rules at:

 

http://goanet.org/modules.php?op=modload
http://goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=9
name=Newsfile=articlesid=9

 

Please curtail this aimless arguing. It is wasting your time, my time and a 

lot of bandwidth that serves no purpose. Thank you.

 

- Bosco

Goanet Admin

[Goanet] WELL ! WELL......! Mr Advani - Fr Cedric Prakash SJ

2008-10-05 Thread Robin Viegas


WELL! WELL! MR. ADVANI!

-Fr. Cedric Prakash sj*

Well! Well! Mr. Advani! Well spoken indeed!

You have called for inter-religious dialogue and in no uncertain terms you 
say (there are media reports quoting you) I strongly condemn these acts of 
violence and vandalism which cannot be condoned or justified. The law must 
take its course and the culprits must be brought to justice...


Well, Mr. Advani I, for one, would like to believe this statement. 
Unfortunately, your track record exposes your double speak and well, your 
insincerity.


As somebody aspiring to be a future Prime Minister of the country, (and the 
fact that you are the icon of the BJP), you will have to first rein in all 
the fascist forces that support your ideology and your agenda. How about 
booking the many from the Bajrang Dal, the RSS and the VHP who have 
systematically been attacking Churches and killing innocent Christians in 
different parts of the country ? (Orissa and Karnataka are just current 
examples of this reality.) How about disassociating yourself from them 
completely ? and perhaps, joining vast sections of the country who call for 
their ban ?


When you call for inter-religious dialogue, I don't suppose you mean that 
men and women of faith should talk or dialogue with terrorist organizations? 
Or do you?


You say you have a soft corner for Christians but then, how is it that you 
have never raised your voice when the Christians of Gujarat were attacked in 
1998/99 by these same fascist forces and when they continue to be attacked 
in several other parts of the country ? You thought it prudent enough not to 
make a statement on Sunday 14th September when Christians and Churches were 
being attacked in Karnataka - just as the National BJP meeting was 
concluding in the State. It amuses me that you had to go to Shillong and 
make a statement several days after thousands of Christians have been 
hounded from their homes and property in Orissa. Do you think such hollow 
statements can actually give the BJP votes there? In your wisdom, did you 
not think it would have been more appropriate, if in Bangalore, your party 
passed a resolution condemning the attacks on Christians and other 
minorities in this country? So why go to Shillong to make your statement 
? Do you think that the Aaam aadmi - cannot see through your ploy?


However, can we start from the very beginning?

What about 1990 when you began the Rath Yatra with much fanfare? In an 
attempt to destroy the secular fabric of our Constitution, your Rath of 
Death polarized Gujarat and several parts of the country as never before. 
Yes, it definitely garnered you votes and perhaps put your party in power 
(for which they are eternally grateful ! ). But any one with conventional 
wisdom will tell you that narrow short-term gains normally negate long-term 
acceptance and solutions. Hitler and his Nazi party is a classic example.


As of now, you represent my Constituency in Parliament. When hundreds of 
innocent Muslims were burnt alive and gang-raped in our streets, you 
declared that it was the ISI that was responsible for setting the S6 coach 
on fire! Have you ever condemned the brutality and the inhumanity taking 
place in your own Constituency? When you speak of justice, can you echo 
and re-echo the words of your mentor (the former PM), to your protégé here 
(the Chief Minister of this land dedicated to Satyagraha and Ahimsa) that he 
should be following Rajdharma? How about raising your voice for victims of 
the Gujarat Carnage?


Today in your Constituency, if one is a Muslim, one cannot buy or own a 
shop. Besides, in many areas, Christians too are treated as second-class 
citizens.


Some housing societies have very clearly stated in their byelaws that 
Muslims would not be allowed to stay in that society. The irony is, we have 
the byelaws of one society which clearly state that Muslims and Sindhis 
will not be permitted to live in that housing society. So why don't you try 
buying a house in that society ?


WellWellMr. Advani, this is your Constituency! Your goons came for 
the Muslims first, then for the Christians It is only a matter of time 
before they come for the Sindhis!


It is definitely not too late Mr. Advani you can still show India and 
the world that you still cherish the values that were imparted to you 
through a Christian education: of tolerance, compassion, sense of justice 
and fair play, of equality, of respect for all religious, of not allowing 
people to take law and order into their own hands and hopefully show 
your secular face.


You have a little over five years to prove it. And if the fascists of the 
country allow you or me to still be around in 2014, you may still have a 
chance to then aspire to be Prime Minister. Until then, just forget it .


Well! Well! Mr. Advani!

(* Fr. Cedric Prakash sj is the Director of Prashant, the Ahmedabad-based 
Jesuit Centre for

[Goanet] More on the Mando

2008-10-05 Thread Jose Pereira


GIZELINO REBELO [1875-1931]

1. Surya-noketrache porim porzolleta
  Mogach' muja suka
  Bemfeit fulo munn tum mannyka
  Adoraro kortam tuka

2. Alambrado pole tuje mogreche kolle
  Distai motianch' zole
  Visvisetai muje dolle
  Kalliz lobddol'm re tuj'korhe

3. Eku vellu punnum yeunum mell re maka
  Anja muja anja
  Sopnnant dekily' anvem tuka
  Mirhmirheanim uttail' maka

  Yo yo gopantulea anja
  Ekuch punn beiju di re maka

Like most mandos this one is in the Saxtti dialect; the following variants 
may be noted:


SAXTTI ELISIONS: mogacha; motianche; lobddolam; tuje korhe; dekili; uttailo.

SAXTTI FORMS: noketranche [neketranche]; porzolleta [porzoltta]; muja 
[mhoja]; distai [distat]; visvisetai [visvisetat]; dekili [dekli]; 
gopantulea [gopantlea].
---

Re: [Goanet] 'Romi is a script, cannot be spoken' (Kiran Budkuley, in ToI)

2008-10-05 Thread AF

I agree with most of this herein recital. i will add that those 
christian-goans that prefer the Indo-Aryan script are also those that are 
naming their children with the non-portuguese names. Therfore, slowly, but 
surely, the konkanim goan i know will be no-more!. anthony.

Re: [Goanet] 'Romi is a script, cannot be spoken' (Kiran Budkuley, in ToI)

2008-10-05 Thread NATACHA ROMAO


Om Shanti to all


Two or three years ago i had the pleasure to assist to a meeting about this 
subject and it end up being a very interresting afternoon.

It was a polemic subject at the time and as far as i can see, still is.
As a goan outsider lover, not involved in the real nets behind this polemic, 
without cultural or political ties, i can't see what konkani as to loose to 
be wroten in other script too. Its adding something to the language, not 
taking. Doesn t meen that Devnagari will be less used, or that it shoudnt be 
well teached as main script. It only will open the konkani doors to other 
people that would love to learn it and, as iu know, to learn a language you 
obviosly need to know the wrigting and nor only the speaking. It will give a 
chance to konkani breake some borthers and have a flurry of fresh air.

Congratulations to all of you that worked for this cause and won it.

All the best

Natacha Romão


Natacha Romão

[Goanet] Indian Tourist Abroad - Indulging An Ugly Side

2008-10-05 Thread Roland Francis

Excerpts from the weekly Outlook (July 28, 2008):

Seven Deadly Habits of Indian tourists abroad.

1. Loading up on food from free breakfast buffets at hotels, often
enough to last them through the day.
2. Shoplifting; bargaining incessantly in places with fixed prices.
3. Getting drunk on the plane.
4. Treating guides, hotel staff like personal servants; refusing to tip them.
5. Ogling and hitting on foreign women, even when accompanied by their wives.
6. Demanding Indian food in restaurants in Paris and Zurich.
7. Jumping queues; late for everything - and then throwing tantrums
when they miss and event.

It began in the plane, says the weary young man who works for one of
India's top travel companies. They started changing seats
haphazardly, ordering as many little packets of complimentary peanuts
as they could lay their hands on, and getting drunk on all those
little bottles of booze. When we landed in Bangkok, they behaved as if
this was a nation of prostitutes, even hitting on the women behind the
immigration counter. The men travelling with their wives were no
better than the rest - a 50 plus man from Jaipur went crazy shooting
pictures of women in traditional off-the-shoulder tops, often trying
to hug them while his wife looked on meekly.

The authorised version of Indian outbound travel is a rah rah story
bristling with impressive figures. 8 million exhuberant Indians
hitting foreign shores every year, their hard earned brown dollars
and pounds eagerly scooped up by the international retail and tourist
trade. 8 million set to double to 16 million in 2011, says Euromonitor
International, and likely to soar to 50 million by 2020, according to
the World Tourism Organisation. An economic downtuen may take the
sheen of some of those figures, but in the long term we are told, the
India outbound story can only be an upbeat one, as a rising growing
middle class flies out to meet the world.

Roland
Toronto.




On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Gabriel de Figueiredo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was travelling Singapore-Mumbai on SIA, and we were about to land.  The 
 usual announcement re laptops / electronic equipment to be switched off. A 
 bloke of Indian origin, kept on using his laptop. Air-hostess was ignored.  
 Then comes the purser, who proceeded to tell the guy off in such a manner 
 that he literally squirmed in his seat.  I could hear threats of arrest etc. 
 Only then was the laptop turned off.

[Goanet] Why Hindu extremists attack Christians - Bishop Agnelo Gracias

Here is an interesting article by Bishop Agnelo Gracias on the reasons behind 
the attacks on Christians by hindu extremists.

http://www.cbcisite.com/cbcinews2463.htm

Regards,

Marshall


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[Goanet] Maoists take onus for killing VHP leader

Sunday, October 05, 2008
Maoists take onus for killing VHP leader
Bhubaneswar: One of Orissa's most wanted Maoist leaders has claimed
responsibility for the Aug 23 killing of a Hindu leader that triggered
anti-Christian attacks in the state in which at least 35 people have been
killed and thousands forced to flee to the jungles to escape rampaging mobs.

Sabyasachi Panda, leader of the Orissa unit of the Communist Party of
India-Maoist (CPI-Maoist), has said on television that his group killed Vishwa
Hindu Parishad (VHP) leader Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati and four others in
Jalespata Ashram in Kandhamal district.

He also warned that the rebels would kill around a dozen more people who he
alleged were responsible for the communal tension in Kandhamal unless they
stopped their activities.

Swami Laxmanananda was a leader of the VHP and was working to bring back
Brahminism that was almost disappearing. He was supported by unscrupulous
traders who were exploiting poor people, Orissa TV, a local television
channel, on Sunday showed Panda as saying.

Hindu organisations such as the Vishwa Hindu Parishad are targeting
minorities, mainly Christians, attacking them, killing them and burning their
homes, said Panda, secretary of the Orissa state committee of the CPI-Maoist.

The tribals are not Hindu. They are nature worshippers. There are now five
lakh (half a million) Hindus in Kandhamal and this number has grown because of
these forces, Panda said.

They are playing riot politics, he said.

We ordered the death penalty for Swami Laxmanananda. He was the main member of
the VHP.

They used money from non-tribal traders to build up the Bajrang Dal and ran a
propaganda against Christians, he alleged.

They falsely accused Christians and attacked them. This is why we killed
Laxamanananda, said Panda.

He also claimed that the rebels had left two letters claiming responsibility
for the murders. But the state government suppressed both, he added.

When a journalist on the show asked him whether he was responsible for the
violence that erupted in the state after the killing of the VHP leader, Panda
clarified that the rebels are not responsible.

It is the VHP, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and the Bharatiya Janata
Party that have caused the violence to strengthen their vote bank.

He also criticised Chief Minister Naveen Patnaik for his failure to protect
the minorities and acting on behalf of the 'RSS-VHP-Sangh' which killed
Christians and destroyed their property.

However, Subash Chouhan, one of the national coordinators of the Bajrang Dal,
told IANS: The Sangha Parivar is not involved in the communal clashes.

Orissa's Kandhamal district witnessed communal violence since Aug 23 since the
killing of Saraswati. Police said they suspected the Maoists to be involved in
the murder. However, Hindus in the region blamed Christians for the killing and
went on a rampage against the community.

At least 35 people, mostly Christians, were killed and thousands of homes burnt
in Kandhamal during the violence.

More than 15,000 people, mainly Christians, have taken shelter in relief camps
after their houses were torched by rampaging Hindu mobs.

On Sunday, authorities said no fresh violence has been reported in the region
since the past two days.

Source: Indo-Asian News Service

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[Goanet] The strange case of Kevin John Pinto


Here is an article from the Oct 4/08, The Globe and Mail, Toronto.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081004.wpinto04/BNStory/Front/

Mervyn3.0


The banker, the bandit and the bounty
JOSH WINGROVE


From Saturday's Globe and Mail


October 4, 2008 at 3:36 AM EDT

TORONTO - He'd walk into a bank as calmly as anyone else - no disguise, no 
mask, no rush.


Time never seemed to be of concern. Once, he wore glasses and a blue fleece, 
standing patiently with his arms folded. Another day, he wore a hoodie and a 
baseball cap and stood once again, his mouth hanging open. During another, 
he looked more the role with his black hat, although his face was still 
uncovered, his glasses clearly identifiable.


He'd soon approach the desk. He'd demand cash, threaten the teller and often 
say he had a gun - although no weapon was ever seen. Sometimes he was given 
cash; other times he came out empty-handed. But in each case he ran, and got 
away.


And so it continued, since 2003, in some 26 suspected robberies carried out 
by the exchange bandit. The most recent happened last month, and this 
week, the Canadian Bankers Association decided that was enough.



Enlarge Image  (*** See weblink below for photos ***)
Security-camera images show the many guises of the suspect sought in 26 bank 
robberies. Kevin John Pinto of Toronto turned himself in Friday.



On Thursday, it offered a $10,000 reward for information leading to the 
arrest and conviction of the thief, a rare move for the association, said 
William Crate, its director of security. The problem wasn't the money being 
stolen, but the staff traumatized by the violent threats, he said. Some 
required counselling.


Bank robbery is first and foremost a personal crime, he said.

To draw tips from the public, police released a trio of photos, which ran on 
television on Thursday evening and in newspapers Friday.


The attention seems to have worked. Police received a slew of calls Friday 
from people who thought they knew who the man was, but they proved 
unnecessary.


On Friday morning, they got a break. A 37-year-old vice-president of a 
Toronto investment firm walked into a downtown police station, with his 
lawyer, and turned himself in.


A compliance officer with Paradigm Capital in Toronto's financial district, 
Kevin John Pinto's job was to make sure his company's deals were all within 
regulation and above-board. On Friday, Mr. Pinto was charged by Toronto 
police with 10 bank robberies. More charges from other regions are expected, 
Constable Tony Vella said.


Friday night, Paradigm Capital confirmed Mr. Pinto had been an employee 
since January, 2006. Chief executive officer David Roland said the company 
found out about the allegations Friday afternoon, suspended Mr. Pinto, began 
contacting all the regulatory bodies which may need to investigate, while 
striking up an investigation of its own. This has obviously come as a 
complete surprise with us, Mr. Roland said in an interview.


Paradigm is a Canadian investment dealer with about three dozen employees. 
Its website lists a series of multimillion-dollar transactions it has 
handled. In a letter sent to clients last night, Paradigm outlined its 
response to the charges against Mr. Pinto and said it has no reason to 
believe that any of its records, securities or client funds have been 
compromised.


The first heists were noted in 2003 in Toronto and Peel region. The next 
year, police noticed robberies in Kitchener, St. Catharines and Niagara 
Falls that seemed to share characteristics.


The photos of the suspect, actions he took, and what he said to tellers were 
all similar, although police wouldn't say specifically what they were. No 
specific banks were repeatedly targeted. Then, in 2005 and 2006, the 
robberies appear to have stopped. Police don't know why.


But in March, 2007, heists bearing the same marks popped up again in 
Toronto, Cambridge and Oakville. They continued this year, most recently 
Sept. 12 at a Scotiabank at 44 King St. W., just around the corner from 
Paradigm's offices at 95 Wellington St. W. The suspect's descriptions, 
actions and identifiable traits in the recent heists all match the earlier 
ones, police say.


Mr. Pinto spent the night in police custody - a lockup of recently 
arrested people awaiting a court appearance the next day - while his firm 
scrambled to alert concerned clients.


He's set to appear in court at Old City Hall Saturday morning.  (ENDS)


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081004.wpinto04/BNStory/Front/

Re: [Goanet] Lornas New Album - Dennem

2008-10-05 Thread Eddie Fernandes

Dear Gabe,

I am expressing a personal view of the role of  any overseas Goan
Association in any part of the world. 

What is your personal view? 

Also, since you are obviously referring to the UK Goan Association, does its
memorandum prohibit it from acting in the interests of the Community?  I
would be most interested in proof of that.

Thanks

Eddie
==
-Original Message-
From: Eddie Fernandes 
 I quite deliberately suggested that Goan Associations have a primary
 responsibility to their  Members

From: Gabe Menezes
I am not sure the memorandum can be changed, it is the heart of the
Constitution; if am I wrong, no doubt, I shall be corrected fortwith.

Re: [Goanet] Lornas New Album - Dennem

2008/10/5 Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Dear Gabe,

 I am expressing a personal view of the role of  any overseas Goan
 Association in any part of the world.

 What is your personal view?

 Also, since you are obviously referring to the UK Goan Association, does its
 memorandum prohibit it from acting in the interests of the Community?  I
 would be most interested in proof of that.

 Thanks

 Eddie

RESPONSE:

Dear Eddie,

Memorandum's usually specify what the aspirations should be. It would
be highly unusual for a nay specific to be mentioned i.e. the
Association cannot help Goans. Rather it does mention that the
Association can work together with like minded Associations - now I am
writing this, without referring to the Constitution, I do not have it
at hand.

That does not give carte blanche to the Association... blanket cover
powers to pursue all and any encompassing help to Goans willy nilly.
There are specifics, I suppose, these were based on the workings of
the Goan Clubs in East Africa; these Clubs took care of their members
first and foremost. Did not take care of the downtrodden, non member
Goans. Only famous and noteworthy Goans, llike Seraphino Antao and
Manilie Fernandes, the East African Railways and Harbours Chef who
cooked for the Queen, were feted. I believe Manilie was a member of
the G.I. Nairobi.

 To further enlighten, as a rule the so called lower rung goans were
not allowed to become members; the cooks and Butlers had their own
little club; I think it was called the Santa Cruz Club. The Tailors
had their own too, called the Tailors' Society Nairobi. The
shempdikars had their own called the Goan Gymkhana Nairobi.

Upon the death of a  G.I. member an amount was paid to the widow.
Although my father died in Goa an amount of money was sent to my
mother.

The general rule which was adhered to strictly, was that the Goan
Associations helped their own members and took the interests of their
members first. This I believe was what the Goan Association in the
U.K. was modeled on, intentionally or otherwise. As you may or may not
know, the bulk of the early members of the Goan Associations i.e.
London and Toronto, comprised Goans from East Africa. It must be
stated though, that the new formed Associations did not carry the
caste baggage with them.

If my memory serves me correctly, it was mooted that the Goan
Association U.K. would hold a function to raise funds to cover what
was paid to the Directors, who helped the Goan Seamen. I do not recall
any function being held to this effect, seems to me a case of long on
rhetoric and short on action.

Now before anyone says I should act instead of writing...I'll state
that I was a prominent member from the onset and had it not been for
my unsecured loan of £25,000 together with two other members, one of
£25,000 and another of £5,000 the Goan Association U.K. might well
have been foreclosed.

Word had reached the Directors that more than one Member who was owed
redemption money because of holding a debenture, was ready to approach
the Trustees to liquidate the Association. In fact a present
Director's name was mentioned as being one of those who favoured
closing the Association down, lock stock and barrel.

Now my own views on this do not matter, I would follow the Memorandum
and Articles strictly, to not do so could invite not only criticism
but also non compliance pursuit through the Courts.

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.

[Goanet] In India: Christians under siege (Basilio G. Monteiro)

2008-10-05 Thread Goanet Reader

In India: Christians under siege

By Basilio G. Monteiro
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Global economic convulsions, brazen terrorism attacks and all
other life-and-death struggles in India and in the rest of
the world provide a perfect cover to attack the vulnerable 2%
of the Indian population with impunity. With all the problems
and issues to be covered in the media, there is not enough
space in the newspapers, nor enough time on television to
cover the genocide of Christians taking place in India the
land of - original harmony -- at the hands of a vociferous
fraction of irrational extremists.

  May be there is also lack of interest to cover
  these events. The ever-gawking CNN and the BBC, the
  international media, are too afraid to cover these
  dastardly stories; the RSS lobby in the USA and in
  the UK is too powerful and highly efficient to keep
  off-limits any comments or reaction from the
  leaders of these countries.

It is easy to beat up on a tiny 2% of the population, who do
not have any political clout or financial muscle; besides,
their religion teaches them not to engage in violence, not to
retaliate, but rather to turn the other cheek and to forgive,
and to forgive seventy times seven.

The confusion about who is who

The Catholic and mainline Protestant Churches, such as the
Anglican, the Methodist, the Presbyterian, engage in social
development by offering education, health and other
developmental services. They do not proselytize -- convert --
the people whom they offer their services.

Admittedly, they did this in the past; but, for the past half
a century or so, these Churches went through a process of
self-examination about how to witness and live their faith
(certainly not by active proselytization); and should one on
one's own volition be interested in inquiring about the
Christian faith, it is one's own personal choice.

These Churches -- Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, Methodist,
Presbyterian -- have promoted relentlessly, over the
centuries, the common good in our country, helped to educate
our best minds, formed some of the best Indian citizens,
provided health and social wellbeing to millions, without
asking for anything in return.

They have provided shelter to millions of citizens, who would
have otherwise lived like the pariah of the society. The
contributions of these Churches to the greater good and the
overall development of Mother India have been simply
remarkable. Conversion, or reckless proselytization, has
surely not been their driving force.

It is important to note here that there are Christian
fundamentalist churches -- usually the fringe Pentecostal
Evangelical Churches -- who, with their irrational zeal, try
to proselytize, rather aggressively, whomever they encounter
on their path.

The Pentecostal Evangelicals descend in a village, 'baptize'
their 'recruits', and immediately leave the place. The
Catholics and the mainstream Protestant Churches have a
permanent residence in the places where they work. Their
schools, churches, social work institutions are integral part
of the village life.

The Evangelical Protestants are so transient that it is not
possible to locate their footprints. The Catholics, the
Lutherans, Anglicans, Presbyterians are the ones who take the
brunt of the ire of the local fanatics. Besides, the
Pentecostal Evangelicals consider that Catholics are
anti-Christ, who need 'conversion'. The ill-informed and
already highly jaundiced groups of RSS and Bajrang Dal as
well as other fanatic groups cannot and do not know to
distinguish between those Christians who do not proselytize,
and those who shove the Bible down people's throats.

  Fanatics, particularly the militants -- whether
  Christians, Hindus, Muslims or others -- draw their
  birth as well as growth charts under the shadow of
  an exploitative leader, who capitalizes on their
  ignorance and their disposition for blind
  servitude, which, in turn, gives them a sense of
  usefulness and worth. It is an old trick, which
  unfortunately works, to use religion to whip up
  nationalism; even Christians have used it in the
  past.

The business of education: a source of tension

Another reason for tension in some of these places is the
'business' of education. Christians, by and large, run
first-rate educational institutions. Some individuals in
local communities think that education is a good business to
get into; they open schools and do not succeed.

Students continue to flock to the schools run by Christians,
because they and their parents realize that these schools
offer a degree of excellence that helps them to build a
better future for themselves.

  Local educational entrepreneurs find it difficult
  to compete with those who educate with a
  difference. Every year Christian schools in India,
  by some accounts, educate fifteen

[Goanet] Crowne Plaza set ablaze by BLACKSLADE

2008-10-05 Thread gaspersWorld


 
: Crowne Plaza set ablaze by BLACKSLADE : 

Kuwait: High-energy pulsating dance beats, exploding vocals by lead singer
Ronald, and great showmanship by New Delhis BLACKSLADE set the Andalous
Ballroom ablaze at the Navelim Youth Centre (NYC) organized NITE OROSES
dance celebration at Crowne Plaza on Thursday 2nd October 2008.
 
Kuwaits ace musician Shahu Almeida, Clevie Fernandes, etc, were equally
best with 2..S#arp. 
 
The Nite was attended by a capacity crowd, a rarity in recent years.
Invitees for the event included some of the top Goan leaders from the Gulf
such as Francis Correia, President  Young Goans Club, Bahrain; Simon
DSilva, President Goan Welfare Society, Doha Qatar; Bartholomeo Silveira, a
social activist from Abu Dhabi; Celso Fernandes, a famous personality among
Goans in Muscat; and Gabriel Crasto, Chairman  Goan Football League,
Bahrain; etc.

A Jive dance contest was one of the highlights of the celebration that
described Goan virtuosity and culture. Commenting on the competition Navelim
President Agnello later said, The focus of the competition is very much on
contemporary forms of the conventional dance and aims to showcase the art of
some of the most talented Goan dancers in Kuwait.
 
Thanking everyone attending the show Mr. Agnello said, In spite of requests
to bring film stars for the dance, we considered to give priority to each
one present... You are my film-stars and more worthy than anyone else...
 
The event was hosted by famous North Goa Master Compere Xavier Fernandes. 
 
The theme of the dance, a 50 year old tradition continued by Navelim was:
Inspiring you to love Unconditionally.
 
Detailed News and Images of the NITE OROSES will be published in the media
soon. 
 
: NITE O'ROSES - 2nd Oct 2008 ::

: WATCH OUT FOR NEWS  IMAGES: 
 
:::ALSO READ:::
 
UNCONDITIONAL LOVE - by Agnello Fernandes
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulf-goans/message/21372

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Moderation

2008-10-05 Thread CORNEL DACOSTA

Hi Gilbert
 Thank you for indicating that brief reasons for post rejections by Goanet 
moderators would be helpful when they are deemed inappropriate. That is 
indeed  all critics of Goanet moderation have been asking for since Jan/Feb 
2008. I am glad you have noted this point and responded to it even if through 
satire! 

Hopefully, at long last, the moderators will take note of your 'wisdom' below! 
Alternatively, they could have a rule saying that no reasons will be 
provided--then at least, posters would know where they stand and choose whether 
to contribute to Goanet or not. 

I for one was invited to join Goanet as a contributor and subsequently told 
more than once that I had much to offer by none other than Bosco and Frederick 
themselves. Perhaps Boso in particular can now expound on his current vacuous 
view that hell hath no fury like a poster scorned. I emphasise that, I didn't 
barge into Goanet and at one point when I indicated withdrawal from Goanet over 
a fiasco from the Gulf, both Bosco and Frederick 'begged' me not to do so as it 
would not be in Goanet's interests to do so. Perhaps hell hath no fury like a 
moderator scorned and exposed so easily!
Cornel

--- On Sat, 4/10/08, Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 To be helpful, here are a selection of explanations
 that the moderators can automatically added to the
 inappropriate post
   
 confusing
 substituting chutzpah with learning
 You have not read or understood the post you are
 responding to
 more Xapottam than knowledge
 same old ... same old
 More wind than substance
 The brow-beating in your post is a poor substitute
 for reasoning

Re: [Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - III

2008-10-05 Thread Radhakrishnan Nair

Hi Marlon,

Long time, buddy! In your otherwise well-written post, you say: I
think the fiscally conservative McCain would be a better choice, but
Obama may also be ok too.

But McCain has absolutely no clue about the economy, my friend. Pls read this:

http://www.nytimes.com:80/2008/09/28/opinion/28rich.html?ex=1238472000en=1449a971012ecdd5ei=5087excamp=NYT-E-I-NYT-E-AT-0930-L2WT.mc_ev=clickWT.mc_id=NYT-E-I-NYT-E-AT-0930-L2

Cheers,
RKN

Re: [Goanet] BOOK REVIEW: The Tailor's Daughter by Ben Antao - Reviewed by Cornel DaCosta

2008/10/5 CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi Gabe
 As I did not send the review of the Tailor's Daughter to Goanet 
 intentionally, I wonder, with tongue and cheek, if it was inappropriate for 
 Goanet moderators to 'appropriate' it for Goanet?

 Secondly, I have been unable to obtain your explanation as to how Eliza ought 
 to have confronted Jorge. I can't enter into the site you indicated. So, 
 please can you indicate in your own words what Eliza ought to have done?
 Just intrigued!
 Regards
 Cornel

RESPONSE:

Please do try once more to enter the site;

I think the site was being updated at the time:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXhkOpzoVrM

and another one:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygfmo4x-_l0


Here are the words:-

http://www.theromantic.com/lovesongs/perhapsperhapsperhaps.htm

Perhaps Perhaps Perhaps
Cake

You won't admit you love me
And so, how am I ever to know
You only tell me
Perhaps perhaps perhaps
A million times I ask you, and then
I ask you over again
You only answer
Perhaps perhaps perhaps

If you can't make your mind up
We'll never get started
And I don't want to wind up
Being parted, broken hearted
So if you really love me, say yes
But if you don't dear, confess
And please don't tell me
Perhaps perhaps perhaps

If you can't make your mind up
We'll never get started
And I don't want to wind up
Being parted, broken hearted
So if you really love me, say yes
But if you don't dear, confess
And please don't tell me
Perhaps perhaps perhaps
-- 

I feel it would have been better had she confronted Jorge as above
rather than giving herself with gay abandon:-

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gay%20abandon

Those days a stigma was attached, nowadays everything goes.

DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.

[Goanet] Goanet Top Posters (2004/July)

2008-10-05 Thread Mario Goveia

Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:22:29 + (GMT)
From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

(4 years ago)

Number of postings per member (decending order):

Mario asks:

Joe,

What's your point, other than there were even fewer women back then, and the 
usual suspects ruled the roost?

2004 was before Goanet started getting the benefit of my perspicacity, wit and 
wisdom as the only TRUE and never humble messenger of peace, truth and love:-)) 
 Furthermore, in those ancient times, the Goan cyber-world had not discovered 
the prolific Selma either:-))

Look how the quality and diversity of the debate on Goanet has improved - to 
the point that it is driving Herman and Bosco nuts trying to keep everyone in 
check and imposing their selective, autocratic will, especially on the 3 - 4 
posters he keeps referring to, which excludes Santosh whom they seem afraid 
of:-))

[Goanet] Goa news for October 6, 2008

2008-10-05 Thread Goanet News Service

Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** Player Ratings: Sporting Club De Goa 3-0 Mohammedan
Sporting Club - Goal.com
[Oct 4, 2008]  Sporting Club de Goa put on a classy second
display to overcome Mohammedan and go to the top of the I league
table. Goal.com rates the performances of both ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://www.goal.com/en-india/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=895972cid=1253918565ei=-k3pSK7UG420gQOfyvmRAQusg=AFQjCNHKWHFheDFfecMixWnuN99487O26Q

*** Leicester under-14 soccer team to play in Goa - Economic
Times
[Oct 4, 2008]  And global Indians from football crazy UK are
set to Bend it like Beckham in Goa. Players from Leicester City
Football Club, which tops the Football League ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ET_Cetera/Leicester_soccer_team_to_play_in_Goa/articleshow/3561108.cmscid=1254141243ei=-k3pSK7UG420gQOfyvmRAQusg=AFQjCNHSYw_K_DS1eQMPN91dbgBexUm0_Q

*** SEZ promoters to meet CM for alternate proposals in Goa:
Naik - Press Trust of India
[Oct 4, 2008]  Panaji, Oct 4 (PTI) Three notified SEZ promoters
in Goa may hold talks with the Chief Minister Digamber Kamat to
try for alternate proposals in the state, ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/E5156F458D106F3A652574D80052ED19?OpenDocumentcid=1254179923ei=-k3pSK7UG420gQOfyvmRAQusg=AFQjCNHkU0-Mmn49ujJnvQGfRNWtqWkBhw

*** Sesa Goa: Hold - Business Line
[Oct 4, 2008]  The stock of iron ore producer, Sesa Goa, has
witnessed a sharp fall in the recent market meltdown, tracking
falling commodity prices. ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/iw/2008/10/05/stories/2008100550631100.htmcid=1254547458ei=-k3pSK7UG420gQOfyvmRAQusg=AFQjCNHZrRpKEmJFzRXeMnTn8HgqQPZxMQ

*** Scarlett case: Goa Minister threatens to sue British daily
- Hindu
[Oct 3, 2008]  Panaji (PTI): Goa Home Minister, Ravi Naik on
Fridaythreatened to sue a British daily for linking his son's
involvement in the murder of two British ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200810032049.htmcid=1253789836ei=-k3pSK7UG420gQOfyvmRAQusg=AFQjCNFkC2eZziXgrnWGCmNneHS4gwYiPA

*** Goa tourism industry unperturbed by smoking ban - Hindu
[Oct 4, 2008]  Panaji (PTI): As the Union Health Ministry's ban
on smoking in public places evokes mixed reactions from across
the country, Goa's multi-million tourism ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/004200810041243.htmcid=1254055522ei=-k3pSK7UG420gQOfyvmRAQusg=AFQjCNH-qZu4q-o7BlwK9UZUrA-eB3NQlg

*** Goa targets drink, drugs as new tourist season starts - AFP
[20 hours ago]  PANAJI, India (AFP) #148; The Indian resort
state of Goa is getting tough on drink, drugs and loud music as
the new tourist season starts, to restore its ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jz-Pa4AiXdyJWN-0oHthEFVGvaWAcid=1254125843ei=-k3pSK7UG420gQOfyvmRAQusg=AFQjCNGIGlqQkz6PA0XIgA8_E1ftpQvp8Q

*** A great creative silence - Times of India
[Oct 4, 2008]  Chakravarti, who moved to Goa from Delhi in 2004
with his wife and ten-year-old daughter, is one of a number of
writers, journalists and artists whove made ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Review/A_great_creative_silence/articleshow/3561035.cmscid=0ei=-k3pSK7UG420gQOfyvmRAQusg=AFQjCNG4dvbtdGNZh5ZxrmT_dRU5bidPHA

*** Rajinikanth in Goa - Times of India
[Oct 3, 2008]  Instead, the superstar will be in Goa, starting
the talkie portion of his Shankar magnum opus Enthiran with
Aishwarya Rai, and a few of the supporting cast ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Entertainment/India_Buzz/Rajinikanth_in_Goa/articleshow/3556812.cmscid=0ei=-k3pSK7UG420gQOfyvmRAQusg=AFQjCNHmx0jKrVwx0TKZ96ABbqkMt2el3w

*** Goa airport needs urgent expansion: official - Hindu
[Oct 3, 2008]  Panaji (PTI): Goa airport is being used beyond
its prescribed capacity and there was an urgent need for its
expansion, an official has said. ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/004200810041123.htmcid=1254035935ei=-k3pSK7UG420gQOfyvmRAQusg=AFQjCNF68tzETW3uujR_SJ3gzHl3YO8fLA


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[Goanet] HINDUTVA AND CONVERSIONS

2008-10-05 Thread Averthan D'Souza

For favour of publication. =Averthanus= 
  _  


HINDUTVA AND CONVERSIONS.

 

Averthanus L. D'Souza.

 

During the tenure of Atal Behari Vajpayee as Prime Minister of
India, there was an unprovoked and brutal assault against Christians in the
Dangs District of Gujarat.  This caused an international uproar of protests
which resulted in Vajpayee visiting the area.  He neither condemned the
atrocities against the Christians, nor did he offer any words of comfort to
those who had been gravely injured.   Instead, on January 10th, 1999
Vajpayee called for a national debate on conversions.   Such a national
debate has neither been convened, nor has the violence against Christians
subsided.  On the contrary, the unprovoked and senseless attacks against
Christians has shown an intensification, specially in those States where the
BJP is in power, or where it wields considerable influence as a coalition
partner.

The call for a national debate on conversions made by Vajpayee
was too belated, because fifty years earlier such a debate had already taken
place in the Constituent Assembly.  The consensus of this debate found
expression in  Article 25 of the Constitution of India which guarantees to
every citizen of this country the right to religious freedom.

It is precisely this right to religious freedom which is under
vicious attack by the Sangh Parivar and its political arm the BJP.   Each
time that there is a systematic and brutal attack against Christians or
Muslims, the RSS affiliates - such as the Hindu Jagran Manch, the VHP, the
Bajrang Dal and other outfits  - attempt to justify  their inexcusable
actions on the ground that they have attacked only because there have been
mass conversions obtained by  material  inducements, fraud or coercion.
If such fraudulent conversions had, in fact, taken place, the proper, decent
and civilized procedure would have been to  report such conversions to the
police and to initiate legal proceedings under the Law, which has adequate
provisions to punish the perpetrators of such fraudulent conversions.   In
fact, after every such attack, when Commissions of Enquiry were constituted,
not a single case of forced or fraudulent conversion has been recorded.
Over the years, it has become amply clear  that the attacks against the
religious minorities has been motivated not by any concern for the violation
of the Law, but, rather, by a prejudiced and totally untenable ideological
opposition to all religions which are non-Hindu.  The obsession of the
Hindutva brigade with conversions needs to be looked at more closely.   Is
it true that the Hindutva proponents are opposed in principle to all
conversions?  Is it true that they are opposed to mass conversions?

If the Sangh Parivar is opposed to mass conversions then it is
standing against its own recorded traditions of Hinduism being a missionary
religion.  In his book The Hindu View of Life (George, Allen and Unwin,
London, 1927). Dr. S. Radhakrishnan establishes how the missionary impulse
very early led to the absorption of whole tribes into Hinduism. In this
sense, Hinduism may be regarded as the first example in the world of a
missionary religion.   R.C. Majumdar  (Hindu Colonies in the Far East,
Firma, Kolkatta, 1963)  tells the story of  mass conversions to Hinduism of
entire tribes from as far as Cambodia and through the Malayan archipelago to
Bali and Borneo.  Even from ancient times, Hinduism has been a missionary
religion.   History records that Emperor Asoka sent out his missionaries
to preach the message of Buddha throughout the world.  One stream of
Buddhism which went southward and eastward converted entire peoples up to
Ceylon (present day Sri Lanka) and Burma (present Myanmar), Thailand,
Indonesia and Cambodia; and another stream proceeded northward through Tibet
and China and even to Japan.

The modern Hindu missionary movement can be traced to the
foundation of the Vedanta Society in New York in 1893 by Swami Vivekananda,
after his famous address to the World Parliament of Religions in Chicago.
This was followed by several Hindu Centres being established by the
Ramakrishna Mission, the Arya Samaj, the Chinmayananda mission, the Krishna
Consciousness movement as well as  some peripheral movements such as the
Transcendental Meditation movement, and others like  the questionable
enterprise of  Acharya Sri Rajneesh, who brought disgrace to Hinduism and
was thrown out of the U.S.A.   

For the Hindutva protagonists to assert that Hinduism is against
all proselytization, is, therefore, patently false.  It flies in the face of
ancient and modern history.Moreover, it contradicts its own missionary
activities, such as the establishment of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad  (the
World Hindu Council) with a view to creating  an international control
centre for the spread of Hindutva all over the globe.  

The argument against

Re: [Goanet] Nostalgia #21

2008-10-05 Thread Alfred de Tavares


No, not on your nelly dear Aunty... 
 
The Mamai Kamat mansion antecedates the Palácio do
Hidalcao by a few decades.
 
It was using that established fact that their advocate,
Dr. Redualdo da Costa, won the Mamais their milestone 
case, in Portugal.
 
The Mamais habeen decreed that a portion of their house
should be demolished to enable Óbras Públicas to widen 
the narrow neck separating the two mansions.
 
Redualdo argued in court that as his clients' house already 
stood before the other, it was Adil Shah's lack of farsight 
that were the cause for our contemporary traffic-woes.
 
Hence, he prayed that if any demolition were necessary it 
would have to be effected on the present seat of government.
 
He carried the day...
 
Alfred, imparting information culled from the involved horse's 
mouth.
 
Stockholm, 2008-10-05  
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 
 02:15:13 + Subject: [Goanet] Nostalgia #21   Nostalgia pic #21 
 __  1924 - 2004: then and now - Secretariat, Panjim - 80 years 
 apart. Apparently the oldest standing building in Panjim (Goa?), the Idalcao 
 or Adil Shah's palace built in 1500, served as a rest- house for Portuguese 
 Governors, then the Viceroy's residence after the 1759 remodeling. The 
 picture on the left was taken half a dozen years after the 1918 cosmetic 
 changes, when government departments like the Captain of Ports and the 
 Attorney General started using it.  After Liberation it became known as the 
 Secretariat and housed the Legislative Assembly of the Goa government, on 
 the banks of the Mandovi. The Pic on the right shows the Secretariat more 
 recently - the Legislative Assembly has moved to the new complex at 
 Porvorim. Back to Adil Shah!  http://2008goanconvention.com/nostalgia.php 
  Pictures - courtesy: Sanjeev Sardessai; Kenilworth Hotels.  FR.  
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Re: [Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - III

2008-10-05 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या

marlon menezes wrote;
 In the US, the financially strapped consumers will have no choice in this 
 matter 
 - they don't have the money. Hence it may make sense to short consumer driven 
 sectors such as durable goods.

 

Marlon,
The durable goods that the US consumes, are produced in China. I would not dare 
short Chinese stocks as they might do the exact same thing the USSA govt did 
and 
ban the selling of stocks.

 

 2) If there is place I would invest in, it is in clean/renewable energy. The 
 bailout 
 package has additional legislation that includes promotion of clean energy in 
 the 
 US. World wide wind energy demand is currently growing at a rate of 80% 
 pa, while 
 for solar it is around 40%. I think investing in these sectors should be 
 reasonably safe bets.


Am looking for names of such companies. Any ideas?


 3) Although everyone talks about inflation, I would like to suggest that the 
 reverse - 
 deflation may actually occur over the longer term (2+ years). It all depends 
 upon 
 how severe this downturn will be - bad or very bad. 

 

To make this very simple, think of the US dollar as a tomato. When there is 
excess 
supply, the price goes down. When the US dollar goes down, imports become more 
expensive. More expensive goods from China will cause inflation.


 
Think of gold too as a tomato. The price fell when central banks flooded the 
markets with
gold. They sold low and used the cash to buy US treasuries which were yielding 
six per 
cent (vs nothing for holding gold) then. Now that US treasuries are yielding 
less than the 
US inflation rate, central banks are selling their US treasuries and buying 
gold. Last year, 
China became the biggest gold producer in the world. South Africa held that 
position for 
100 years. China has just allowed its citizens to hold bullion. Believe it or 
not, the perfect 
storm is just beginning!
 
 
The following was sent to me as a joke. My in-laws did not think it was funny.
Mervyn3.0
--  
Investment analyst and entrepreneur Dr. Marc Faber concluded his
monthly bulletin (June 2008) with the Following:

''The federal government is sending each of us a $600 rebate. If we
spend that money at Wal-Mart, the money goes to China . If we spend it
on gasoline it goes to the Arabs. If we buy a computer it will go to
India. If we purchase fruit and vegetables it will go to Mexico,
Honduras and Guatemala. If we purchase a good car it will go to
Germany. If we purchase useless crap it will go to Taiwan and none of
it will help the American economy. The only way to keep that money
here at home is to spend it on prostitutes and beer, since these are
the only products still produced in US. I've been doing my part.'


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Re: [Goanet] The strange case of Kevin John Pinto

Is he Goan? Does sound ingenuous! Do you think we could felicitate
this guy? He probably makes up for generations of a lack of
entrepreneurial talent... specially among the Goan Catholic :-) FN

2008/10/5 Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Here is an article from the Oct 4/08, The Globe and Mail, Toronto.

 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081004.wpinto04/BNStory/Front/

 Mervyn3.0


 The banker, the bandit and the bounty
 JOSH WINGROVE

 From Saturday's Globe and Mail

 October 4, 2008 at 3:36 AM EDT

 TORONTO - He'd walk into a bank as calmly as anyone else - no disguise, no 
 mask, no rush.

 Time never seemed to be of concern. Once, he wore glasses and a blue fleece, 
 standing patiently with his arms folded. Another day, he wore a hoodie and a 
 baseball cap and stood once again, his mouth hanging open. During another, he 
 looked more the role with his black hat, although his face was still 
 uncovered, his glasses clearly identifiable.

 He'd soon approach the desk. He'd demand cash, threaten the teller and often 
 say he had a gun - although no weapon was ever seen. Sometimes he was given 
 cash; other times he came out empty-handed. But in each case he ran, and got 
 away.

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[Goanet] India's outsourcing bubble is bursting

2008-10-05 Thread Mario Goveia

Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 00:30:16 -0400
From: MD\Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Barack Obama intends to implement a 21st century economic agenda to help
ensure that America can compete in a global economy, and ensure the middle
class is thriving and growing. He will increase investments in
infrastructure (which is falling behind, it's nuclear reactors are becoming
old).  Nuclear plants, wind produce environmentally clean energy, reduce
dependence on foreign oil, improve education, research and development;
modernize and simplify tax code that provides greater opportunity and relief to 
more Americans; He intends to mplement trade policies that benefit American 
workers and increase the export of American goods.

Mario asks:

MD,

Since Obama has never done any of these things before, how do you decide 
whether to believe him or not?

Do you work for the Obama campaign?  Do you have any idea what his background 
and experience is?

MD writes:

Before the war in Iraq ever started, Senator Obama said that it was wrong in 
its conception. In 2002, then Illinois State Senator Obama said Saddam
Hussein posed no imminent threat to the United States and that invasion
would lead to an occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost,
with undetermined consequences. Since then, Senator Obama has laid out a
plan on the way forward in Iraq that has largely been affirmed by the
bipartisan Iraq Study Group led by James Baker and Lee Hamilton.

Mario asks:

MD, what do you have against the innocent Iraqi people?  What have they ever 
done to you?  Did you prefer what Iraq was like under Saddam Hussein?
Did you ever hear of all those mas graves?  Do you know why the UN imposed 
no-fly zones in Iraq?  Did you ever hear of the 17 UN resolutions that Saddam 
never complied with and the sanctions that the UN imposed on Iraq?  I wonder 
why they did that.

Do you have any idea what Saddam did between 1990 and 2003?

MD writes:

Just imagine the amount America has so far spent on Iraq, despite all that
the absolute winner is Iran, as Shia majority that is ruling Iraq, has more
loyalty to fellow Shia Iran, the invasion induced Al-Qaida to establish in
Iraq, the Sunnis are given incentives to contain violence, and even
Hezbollah has become part of the Lebanese government.  The money saved from
Iraq will help American domestic economy.

Mario asks:

So, it is the money you are concerned about, and not the tyranny that the Iraqi 
people were subjected to, not to mention the menace to the entire region?  I 
guess this means we need to count our money before we go rescue someone being 
subjected to tyranny.  No wonder we see so many people being brutalized in 
Africa - no one is willing to spend the money to help them, except that America 
has pledged to spend 63 BILLION dollars to help them fight HIV/AIDS, TB, and 
malaria.

Just imagine what Iraq would have been like if, after Saddam's heavy and brutal 
heel had been removed from their necks, the Iraqis would have decided to reject 
Al Qaeda and worked together, with American sid, to reconstruct their country 
and live in peace and harmony, just like the citizens of Italy, Germany and 
Japan did after WW-II?

MD writes:

India's domestic economy is flourishing so much, it does not even has to
look out for export.  In fact when they controlled export of rice, the price 
went up in no timein Canada! and consumers began hoarding rice!  In fact I 
heard quite a few Americans are working in Bangalore!  Finally it is not so 
easy to abruptly stop the already outsourced jobs, as the cost of relocating 
them back to USA may be prohibitive.

Mario responds:

India's outsourcing bubble is bursting
By Saritha Rai, silicon.com

Excerpt:

Bangalore, India--Once a high-flying tech hub, Bangalore is seeing more 
sober days in the wake of the credit crisis.

It looks like the global economic turmoil and the dramatic Wall Street 
meltdown is beginning to hit Bangalore.

MD writes:

Without prejudice and information obtained from the world Wide Web.

Mario responds:

Oh, really?  Nice try, MD.  I know I was born at night, but it was not last 
night:-))

Re: [Goanet] Lornas New Album - Dennem

2008-10-05 Thread Eddie Fernandes

From: Gabe Menezes
Now my own views on this do not matter ...

Pity!

Eddie

[Goanet] The strange case of Kevin John Pinto

2008-10-05 Thread Mario Goveia

Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:22:02 -0400
From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081004.wpinto04/BNStory/Front/

The banker, the bandit and the bounty
JOSH WINGROVE

From Saturday's Globe and Mail

October 4, 2008 at 3:36 AM EDT

TORONTO - He'd walk into a bank as calmly as anyone else - no disguise, no 
mask, no rush.

Mario observes:

Well, well, well, or should I say, Aye, aye, aye!

Kitem re, Kevin John, what the f#$% were you thinking, re?

We now have a Goan version of Jesse James, in socialist Canada no less, a Vice 
President at an investment dealer whose job was to police his own company's 
transactions.  Then he turns himself in.  Strange, indeed.  Were they closing 
in on him, or did he experience a pang of conscience?

Well, he will probably now end up an extended guest of the Canadian penal 
system with a comfortable place to live and three square meals a day at 
taxpayer expense:-))  Then he can go to confession and become a multi  
millionaire by writing a book about his fall and redemption complete with 
scenes of Calangute with violins and guitars in the background.  Can a movie 
produced and directed by M. Night Syamalan be far behind?  What a guy!

Stay tuned.

[Goanet] Fresh Dirty Panjim Photos

2008-10-05 Thread JoeGoaUk


Note: All these pics taken today evening 5th Oct. 2008


Road leading to El Dourado seems to be the most profitable one for both 
Belpuriwalas and the CCP Councilors

Earlier there was none, but now not just one but three gaddas.
The ward councilor is richer by Rs. 1.5 lacs?

Check this out
1. Near Puspak/Nautara/Cream Centre
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915708221/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916488842/

2. Near Almeida Wine Store
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916553300/

3. Opp Affran Plaza or Near Rizvi towers
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916490276/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916490708/

Miramar Circle/ Behind Maruti Temple
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915647903/


Campal childrem Park 1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915651291/
Park 2
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916499262/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915652065/sizes/l/

Park 3
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916500564/

Ferry 2+1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915703259/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916549328/sizes/l/


No respect of Freedom Fighters  (some pl forward this to Goa's FF 
association)
This has become a regular feature here despite the memorial/Azad Maidan is 
just opp to Police HQ. Ealrier, similar Pics were also posted here. See link 
in the end.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915706241/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916551438/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916552224/sizes/l/


No where to dump your rubbish?
How about here?  Don't worry about the CCP Notice boards.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915707265/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915705297/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916550252/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916549846/sizes/l/


CCP Notice Boad?
We don't want it here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915702277/sizes/l/
Because, peeing here is our fundamental right
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916547334/sizes/l/
WE don't care
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915654475/sizes/l/
No one can steal our freedom away
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915702699/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916493290/


Welcome to Goa, a heaven on earth
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916491686/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915646535/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915644803/sizes/l/


Check who is back in business
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915653457/sizes/l/

One street/Lamp pole missing and the other Leaning
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916497102/sizes/l/
Pot holes
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916492344/sizes/l/


Now, welcome to Miramar Beach
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915649915/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916495588/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916488336/sizes/l/

Panwala is back
(People say.. he is not just Panwala but.)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915648355/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916495094/


Want to see more Dirty Panjim Photos?
Please Visit here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/

There are about 200 pics here.


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[Goanet] Fresh Dirty Panjim Photos

2008-10-05 Thread JoeGoaUk

Note: All these pics taken today evening 5th Oct. 2008
 
 
Road leading to El Dourado seems to be the most profitable one for both 
Belpuriwalas and the CCP Councilors
Earlier there was none, but now not just one but three gaddas.
The ward councilor is richer by Rs. 1.5 lacs?
 
Check this out
1. Near Puspak/Nautara/Cream Centre
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915708221/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916488842/
 
2. Near Almeida Wine Store
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916553300/
 
3. Opp Affran Plaza or Near Rizvi towers
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916490276/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916490708/
 
Miramar Circle/ Behind Maruti Temple
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915647903/
 
 
Campal childrem Park 1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915651291/
Park 2
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916499262/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915652065/sizes/l/
 
Park 3
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916500564/
 
Ferry 2+1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915703259/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916549328/sizes/l/
 
 
No respect of Freedom Fighters  (some pl forward this to Goa’s FF association)
This has become a regular feature here despite the memorial/Azad Maidan is just 
opp to Police HQ. Ealrier, similar Pics were also posted here. See link in the 
end.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915706241/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916551438/sizes/l/
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No where to dump your rubbish?
How about here?  Don’t worry about the CCP Notice boards.
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CCP Notice Boad?
We don’t want it here
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Because, peeing here is our fundamental right
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WE don’t care
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No one can steal our freedom away
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Welcome to Goa, a heaven on earth
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Check who is back in business
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One street/Lamp pole missing and the other Leaning
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Pot holes
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Now, welcome to Miramar Beach
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Panwala is back
(People say.. he is not just Panwala but…)
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Want to see more Dirty Panjim Photos?
Please Visit here
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There are about 200 pics here.


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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Moderation

2008-10-05 Thread Gilbert Lawrence

Hi Mervyn,
 
Goanet moderators advise posters who aim to be amusing to use a smiley :=)).  I 
do not see that in your alleged non-provocative posts that you label as 
amusing +/- having crossed the line.
 
As far as Goan posts without the :=)) being amusing, I assumed that the author 
of those post was a 'Goan on steroids'.:=))  If one retorts with similar words 
/ explanation, then he / she needs a screw-driver to adjust their 'humor 
button'.  
 
This advice is also directed to some posters who have a compulsory need to 
respond to  posts which they imagine is directed to them. The good news is 
their reply suggest they took the message personally.
 
I like your idea of 'special treatment' to the serial offenders.  Can you 
imagine the poor moderators have to repeatedly read their posts?  I can only 
call that pirachit / penance.  No wonder the moderators get a 'thought block' 
and cannot respond with a one-liner. Likely the moderators go for the feni or 
scotch after reading those posts.  
 
Glad none of the 'sensitive' posters, on receiving the many rejections of 
inappropriate posts, have not resorted to something more drastic; like - taking 
a bucket of cold water and dipping their head three times and taking it out 
twice.:=)). Looking at the support the disgruntled posters received, it appears 
they are not getting much credibility. Yet, they have only themselves to blame. 
For a time, they felt they were making cumulative headway. But their 
difficult-to-prove stories was their undoing, in addition to their 
suggestion that they were 'God's gift to Goanet' - which they may be.:=))
 
Regards, GL
 
- Mervyn Lobo 
 
I am on Goanet for only one reason: To learn. I think that life is to short to 
go around antagonizing people. I certainly do not want to be a provoker. May be 
in trying to amuse, I have crossed the line. However, I think people would 
inform me when that happens.
 
There are serial / repeat offenders here. All you have to do is tell them to 
clean up 
their act or the moderators will do so. It is a pity that three or four posters 
have to 
consume most of the moderators time.
 
-- Bosco wrote:
 
Question: Are you implying that you do not write to Goanet to antagonize 
and provoke fellow Goanetters?

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Top Posters (2004/July)

Mario Goveia wrote?
 2004 was before Goanet started getting the benefit of my perspicacity, wit 
 and wisdom as the only TRUE and never 
 humble messenger of peace, truth and love:-))  


 
 
Mario,
You ARE getting terribly confused.
When you first came on to GoaNet in 2004, I clearly remember advising you to 
buy gold.
I remember this as I was mostly in San Jose, CA and we were emailing each other 
ten times a day.
 
 
Fortunately, for me, my current wife DID buy gold then.
This resulted in her choosing to live wherever she wanted.
I suggested that she buy a house as far away from the zoo as possible.
 
 
 Look how the quality and diversity of the debate on Goanet has improved - to 
 the point that it is driving Herman and Bosco 
 nuts trying to keep everyone in check and imposing their selective, 
 autocratic will, especially on the 3 - 4 posters he keeps 
 referring to, which excludes Santosh whom they seem afraid of:-))

 
 
Do not worry about the 3-4 posters (or is it the 4-3 posters?).
It has nothing to do with you. 
Life is easy when it is not subjected to reality.
 
Mervyn3.0


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Re: [Goanet] Scientific literacy

2008-10-05 Thread Santosh Helekar

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When I said that I do not understand his logic means that he is not 
 answering the problem raised by the phenomenon.


The above reveals the crux of the lack of understanding that I have
been talking about - the inability to recognize that there is no real
problem or reality-based phenomenon of any kind here. That there is
nothing here that needs to be explained from the scientific
standpoint, or from the standpoint of billions of people who do not
share Fr. Ivo's particular beliefs. Most people know that it is wrong
and foolish to misuse one's limited understanding of science to try to
justify the parochial beliefs of one's own supernatural ideology, an
ideology that in today's secular and pluralistic world is regarded as
equivalent in form to, but distinct in content from, hundreds of
alternative supernatural ideologies.

As for why any student of science would find nothing problematic about
detecting remnants of human tissue and body fluids (discounting the
fact that in the case in question, it was done with outdated and
poorly conducted tests), the reason is obvious. Human tissues and body
fluids can be easily obtained from dead human beings.

As for why theological writings, historical documentation, eyewitness
testimony and mythological anecdotes cannot be regarded as scientific
evidence, here are a few of the reasons again:

1. All people make mistakes.
2. People are capable of deception and self-deception.
3. People have been known to commit pious fraud.
4. Ancient people lacked basic scientific understanding.

Cheers,

Santosh

Re: [Goanet] 'Romi is a script, cannot be spoken' (Kiran Budkuley, in ToI)

2008-10-05 Thread Alvaro Peres da Costa


Hear, hear, Ms Budkuley!

Superbly, convincingly and succintly presented!

Alvito Peres da Costa
Sydney, Australia


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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: These are home-grown terrorists... forwhom wrong means no punishment (George Menezes)

2008-10-05 Thread AF


A TIME TO PRAY!!!Imagine PEACE!!anthony fernandes

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