[google-appengine] Re: Fetch with limit returning more results than limit
Ben,
It looks like filter will add a filter to the existing query object (instead
of creating a new query object like django does) but the fetch method will
retrieve the objects and return them immediately without modifying the
query. You should do something like:
items_list = items.fetch(10)
and then pass the items_list to your template.
Ian
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Ben bhym...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, i am trying to limit the number of results returned on a query to
10, but i seem to be getting all results back instead of just 10. Am
i missing something with the fetch syntax?
-code-
items = Item.all()
items.filter('adminOnly = ', False)
items.filter('status = ', 2)
items.order('-wins')
items.fetch(limit=10)
template_values = {
'userInfo': userInfo,
'appDetails': appConfig.details,
'items': items,
'links': links,
}
-/code
when i iterate through the results via django in the template it
appears the query is properly applying the filters, and the order, but
is returning all results that meet that criteria instead of just the
first 10.
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[google-appengine] Using the task queue for sending emails
The canonical example given for using the task queue is to send emails. How does this work with the restrictions around only being able to send emails on behalf of a logged in user? I am starting to butt up against these email restrictions. I want to be able to send automated emails occasionally on behalf of one user to another user. I don't want the user to be logged in for this to happen, and I don't want the email to come from the application. It would also be nice to be able to use the task queue for these emails. I don't think this is possible. I can kind of understand the thinking behind putting these restictions in: (to stop spamming perhaps?). But it actually doesn't stop that at all. It just stops googles email servers being used for that. The users emails are directly harvestable, and able to be used somewhere else if that is the desire of the application owner. I propose allowing applications to send to send emails on a user's behalf when they are not logged in. Maybe, we could get them to click a give permission for this application to send emails on your behalf box if you think it is still a problem... To this end I have created this feature request: http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=1869 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Problems with SMS, and replying to messages in group
Hi udisanet, I've activated your account. -Nick Johnson On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:51 PM, udisanetenterprisere...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In Chile there is no support for sending sms, is there an alternative way to activate my account? thank you very much Alex On Jul 14, 6:27 am, Nick Johnson (Google) nick.john...@google.com wrote: Hi Aivar, I've activated your account. -Nick Johnson On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Aivaraivar.anna...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I've tried several times to activate my google app engine account using numbers on 2 different Estonian carriers (EMT and Tele2) without any success. Now i get You have sent too many SMS verification messages. I tried to report SMS problem, but after submitting the form i only got a short error message (Carrier) I tried to reply to threads that discussed SMS problems, i got message post was successful but i didn't show up in thread (even 1 day later). I hope this message ends up somewhare and somebody can help me. Thanks in advance!! Aivar -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: remote_api -ImportError: No module named models
Hi Vincent, See the solution you quoted - you need to make sure PYTHONPATH includes the path to your app. -Nick Johnson On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Vincentvinc...@louviaux.com wrote: I have also the trouble but under linux no models module found ImportError: No module named models any idea ? On 17 juin, 18:02, johnfromCalgary jdpo...@gmail.com wrote: That worked, thanks. (I actually saw that answer to another post earlier, and for some reason misunderstood the instruction) On Jun 17, 4:46 am, Nick Johnson (Google) nick.john...@google.com wrote: Hi johnfromCalgary, Try running set PYTHONPATH=. in your shell window before running the import script. -Nick Johnson On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:30 AM, johnfromCalgary jdpo...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like variations of this question has been asked a few times, but I can't get tell which of the answers are out of date, in any case, none of the solutions work. I've followed this verbatim:http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/ python/tools/uploadingdata.htmlhttp://code.google.com/appengine/docs/%0Apython/tools/uploadingdata.html and get the error: ImportError:Nomodulenamedmodels Let many java users, I'm only using this to get data into the data store; I've spent more time on this than everything else combined... and so my python knowledge is zilch. I seems like I need to add the current directory to the python_path or something, but I'm not sure how to do that, and it's only a guess. I'm on Windows Vista. Any guidance would be appreciated. Thanks, John -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Your application is exceeding a quota
Hi Richard, You're running into short term quotas, which are designed to prevent you exhausting your entire quota for the day in one go. You need to rate-limit your bulk loading code, and/or pay for additional quota. Even enabling billing without setting a high limit will increase your short term quotas automatically. You should also look at your bulk loading code and make sure it's as efficient as possible. One possibility is to use the Python bulkloader. As far as deletion goes, make sure you are doing key-only queries to get the key to delete, which will save on CPU time and timeouts. -Nick Johnson On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:11 AM, richard embersonrichard.ember...@gmail.com wrote: So, once again, I've tried to upload some data. After a couple, I guess, thousand records I start getting HttpServletResponse.SC_FORBIDDEN from the app engine server. On the Dashboard it says: Your application is exceeding a quota: CPU Time Your application is exceeding a quota: Datastore CPU Time but under Resource, CPU Time usage is at 34% and Stored Data usage is at 4%. I am trying to develop an application on GAE. I will need to load tens of thousands or a couple of hundred thousand entities as part of testing the application. I will then want to delete those entities. Currently, I can only load a couple of hundred before the app engine starts rejecting additional uploads. And I can not delete any of them - I keep getting timeouts - even if I try to delete only 10. Is there some upload per minute quota or something? And, whats the magic to delete stuff. The following code causes timeouts: DatastoreService ds = DatastoreServiceFactory.getDatastoreService(); final Query q = new Query(kindName); q.setKeysOnly(); final IterableEntity entities = ds.prepare(q).asIterable( FetchOptions.Builder.withLimit(count)); KeyIterable ki = new KeyIterable(entities); ds.delete(ki); int numberDeleted = ki.getCount(); return numberDeleted; Richard -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Create additional applications
Hi phtq, What account are you signing in with? Is it the one you're using to post to this group? -Nick Johnson On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:45 PM, phtqpher...@typequick.com.au wrote: Hello Nick, No change. I did get an email with the subject Welcome to an early look at Google App Engine for Java!, but when I try to create a new application I still land on the SMS verification page. On Jul 14, 7:43 pm, Nick Johnson (Google) nick.john...@google.com wrote: Hi phtq, I've manually activated your account. Let me know if that helps. -Nick Johnson On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:43 AM, phtqpher...@typequick.com.au wrote: Hi, I need to add an application to my googleappengine account, but when I press the Create an Application button I get taken to the Verify your account by SMS page where I get stuck as I have already used the mobile number for SMS verification. Can this be bypassed or do I need to dig out another phone? -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Application Updates but Does Not Serve New Files?
Hi Devel63, We need to know what files you're serving that appear to be old, and what they should be serving. My money is on a client-side caching issue, but it's impossible to tell without more details. -Nick Johnson On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Devel63danstic...@gmail.com wrote: Today I am suddenly unable to effectively update my app. appcfg.py appears to update the app, the serving version is set correctly, but the old files are being served. The app name is judysapps-qa Any ideas? -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: remote_api -ImportError: No module named models
ok it s working Thanks Vincent export PYTHONPATH=~/google_appengine/myapp On 15 juil, 10:18, Nick Johnson (Google) nick.john...@google.com wrote: Hi Vincent, See the solution you quoted - you need to make sure PYTHONPATH includes the path to your app. -Nick Johnson On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Vincentvinc...@louviaux.com wrote: I have also the trouble but under linux no models module found ImportError: No module named models any idea ? On 17 juin, 18:02, johnfromCalgary jdpo...@gmail.com wrote: That worked, thanks. (I actually saw that answer to another post earlier, and for some reason misunderstood the instruction) On Jun 17, 4:46 am, Nick Johnson (Google) nick.john...@google.com wrote: Hi johnfromCalgary, Try running set PYTHONPATH=. in your shell window before running the import script. -Nick Johnson On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:30 AM, johnfromCalgary jdpo...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like variations of this question has been asked a few times, but I can't get tell which of the answers are out of date, in any case, none of the solutions work. I've followed this verbatim:http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/ python/tools/uploadingdata.htmlhttp://code.google.com/appengine/docs/%0Apython/tools/uploadingdata.html and get the error: ImportError:Nomodulenamedmodels Let many java users, I'm only using this to get data into the data store; I've spent more time on this than everything else combined... and so my python knowledge is zilch. I seems like I need to add the current directory to the python_path or something, but I'm not sure how to do that, and it's only a guess. I'm on Windows Vista. Any guidance would be appreciated. Thanks, John -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Need input: developers and Azure VS GAE
Hi, What's the best mechanism (or resource) to find rockstar GoogleAppEngine/Python developers working on contract for an hourly rate? Also, has anyone done a good analysis of Azure vs GAE? I've already eliminated AWS as I don't want to manage VM instances/management/ scaling nor OS images/software. Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Datastore Utility
Hi All, Does anyone know of a datastore utility that can do the following things: 1) Run on a developers machine accessing the local datastore. 2) Test the integrity of a .datastore file. 3) Present the schema of the .datastore file. 4) Allow interactive queries from a command line or GUI interface. Thanks, Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Calculate CPU hours
Hi, i want to calculate the cpu hours my application uses. the basic functionality of the application is the following: it receives messages and has to store the content :) i haven't implemented the application yet, so I can not test how much cpu is needed.. the size of the received data is approximately 28 KB per second (1.6 MB per minute). How do I compute / estimate the cpu hours when the application runs 24/7 ? cheers --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: uploadingdata with a no gmail account
Hi Vincent, In situations like this, you need to create a gmail account, and add it as an administrator of your app. Then, use its credentials to do bulk up/down- loading. -Nick Johnson On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Vincentvinc...@louviaux.com wrote: Hi I am still trying to download data from my app following this tutorial http://code.google.com/intl/fr/appengine/docs/python/tools/uploadingdata.html But the auth always failed, I thinks it s because my Google account has no gmail account. Also to see my application console I need to go on http://appengine.google.com/a/DOMAIN.COM I can log in on http://appengine.google.com/ with vinc...@louviaux.com but I see no apps .. I have also try to add others developers with a gmail adress but there are automatically removed when they accept .. I used the is_current_user_admin() function in my app and I am never detected as admin .. So how can I be correctly auth ? appcfg.py download_data --config_file=gac/Article_loader.py -- filename=/tmp/article_data_archive.csv --kind=Article -e vinc...@louviaux.com gac Downloading data records. [INFO ] Logging to bulkloader-log-20090715.103621 [INFO ] Opening database: bulkloader-progress-20090715.103621.sql3 [INFO ] Opening database: bulkloader-results-20090715.103621.sql3 [INFO ] Connecting to /remote_api Password for vinc...@louviaux.com: [INFO ] Authentication Failed -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Optimal tree structure with datastore
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Peter Cicmanpcic...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nick, no, level and position are not identical. The idea behind it is to use level for node to know how deep in tree it exists, so root nodes have level=0, node with one parent have level=1, node with three parents (A-B-C-D) have level=3, etc.. This should allow simple move in path.. WHERE level ... Position will be used just for sorting. It will start in every subtree with zero value, and will be incremented when new node is added, so it will be possible to reorder node position in subtree, something like this should be possible: Ah. The distinction wasn't clear initially. Given that 'position' in your example appears to apply to all nodes of a given depth, how will you efficiently calculate and update this? Inserting a new leftmost leaf node would require renumbering every other node's position. BEFORE: A(0) level = 0 / | \ B(0) C(1) D(2) level = 1 / \ E(0) F(1) level = 2 (Note: number in brackets represents position) AFTER (node B, C reorder): A(0) level = 0 / | \ C(0) B(1) D(2) level = 1 / \ E(0) F(1) level = 2 What do you think about it? There will be probably maximum few hundreds of levels. Does it fits for datastore? Yes, though a 'few hundred' is getting to the point where the ListProperty of ancestors will take a significant amount of time to update. Do i have to create index on parents property? If yes, size of this index will probably grow nonlinear with growing amount of levels. And i have to put also position, level and yet another two or three properties under index. What is the maximum index size? I did found just one information about it in documentation - `its huge`, but what does huge exactly mean? You only have to index the properties if you want to execute queries against them that use more than one property and involve an inequality or a sort order. See the indexing documentation for more details. The indexing is limited by index entries per entity, not size - and the limit is in the low thousands. My hopefully last question :) Is there somewhere some paper about deeper explanation of datastore? It would be nice to know how it exactly works in deeper level, how are the query counters working (i had some problem there also), etc... Reading the Bigtable paper would be a good start. -Nick Johnson Thanks a lot! Peter. On Jul 14, 11:47 am, Nick Johnson (Google) nick.john...@google.com wrote: Hi Peter, On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Peter Cicmanpcic...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nick, hi Vince, i did come up with something like this yesterday: class Tree(db.Expando): parents = ListProperty() level = IntegerProperty() position = IntegerProperty() properties: parents: sorted list of all parent keys, sorting order top/down, so parents[-1] gives object direct parent level: nested level, for root nodes = 0, for children of root node = 1, etc.. position: node position in current subtree, 0 on top, n on bottom Won't level and position always be identical? Probably it will work, parent, children, descendants selection should be possible. Its probably very close to solution described by Nick. But anyway, the key paths looks like so nice solution for tree structure, so i'm still thinking about them. It brings up some questions: Key names internally use the same sort of structure as you just outlined using a ListProperty. Given that you want to move your objects without renaming them, using parent relationships is not a good idea here. - is there a possibility to use other property for path than a key? probably not if i understand the implementation No, only the key works. - moving the node with all descendants is currently be possible this way: copy node, change key, save it, delete original node. the question is - if the datastore is represented like a hash, why key change isn't allowed? What is so difficult on this? You also need to repeat the operation for all child entities of the object. The datastore is not stored as a hash table, it's stored as a sorted list. Key changes aren't permitted because they're identical to a deletion followed by an insertion - so we expose that fact to the user. -Nick Johnson - if the key change really isn't possible on datastore level, can't there be some helper in datastore API for doing this (change instance key / change instance keys on node + all descendants, eventually also delete method, which performs descendants deletion when parent gets removed).. Thanks... On Jul 13, 1:51 pm, Vince Stross vstr...@gmail.com wrote: I use the following structure: class Tag (db.Expando): label = StringProperty() parent_ = SelfReferenceProperty(collection_name='children') This is a
[google-appengine] Re: Webservice authentication (Python)
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:03 PM, epbesbenbu...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am trying to make my Python program talk to a web service hosted on
app engine. I am using the appengine-rest-server and authentication
using a Google account is required on the server. The idea is that the
user specifies his username/password in the client application, and
then the client app. will talk to app engine server via webservices.
You may want to look at appengine_rpc.py, in the SDK
google.appengine.tools package. It is designed specifically for this.
I found this post:
http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/browse_thread/thread/3bd69f0aa72d4bcb/8f872170bd996ad6?lnk=gstq=webservice+authentication#8f872170bd996ad6.
The guy who replied proposes the use of Authentication for Installed
Apps, but also mentions that the GAE service should be ah, which it
is not according to
http://code.google.com/apis/base/faq_gdata.html#clientlogin
(in fact, GAE is not even listed there). What is the service name for
GAE (if it exists) and can I access the GAE application in this way?
The service is, as mentioned, 'ah', and yes, you can authenticate
using this method.
Given the service name I should be able to talk to the server like
this:
import urllib, urllib2
# user-data
data = urllib.urlencode({'accountType' : 'GOOGLE', 'Email' :
'x...@gmail.com', 'Passwd': 'xxx', 'service': 'someservice' ,
'source' : 'Me-MyApp-1.0'})
# do the log-in
f = urllib.urlopen('https://www.google.com/accounts/ClientLogin',data)
# read ClientLogin token (ugly)
line = f.readline()
token = ''
while line:
if line.startswith('Auth'):
token = line[5:]
line = g.readline()
The returned body is urlencoded, so you can use the built in
functionality for this.
# if we got token, login was completed
if token:
# URL to a Model called testmodel (via appengine-rest-server)
url = 'http://myappengineapp.appspot.com/rest/testmodel'
# add Authorization header with token
headers = {'Authorization': 'GoogleLogin auth='+token}
handler = urllib2.HTTPHandler()
opener = urllib2.build_opener(handler)
req = urllib2.Request(url, headers=headers)
f = opener.open(req)
App Engine apps do not accept authorization headers - instead, you
need to make a request to a special URL with the token to get a user
cookie back. See appengine_rpc.py for details.
-Nick Johnson
# Do something with response
# close files
f.close()
g.close()
Correct? In fact, I am able to login, but somehow I can't use the
token to access the GAE app..
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[google-appengine] Re: Problem with Verify Your Account by SMS
Hi Thiago, I've activated your account. -Nick Johnson On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Thiagoth.carne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am also having problems with SMS account verification. I keep getting Mobile Number or Username error. I'm from Sydney, Australia. I type +61 and mobile number (no area code needed). Can I get some advice? Thanks very much! Regards, Thiago. On Jul 9, 7:28 pm, Nick Johnson (Google) nick.john...@google.com wrote: Hi Luis, We store verification details independently of any created apps, so that's unlikely to be the problem. Is the account you're using a Google Apps one (eg, not @gmail.com)? If so, you need to log in athttp://appengine.google.com/a/yourdomain, not justhttp://appengine.google.com. In any case, I've activated the gmail account you're using. -Nick Johnson On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Luislme...@gmail.com wrote: I think I know exactly what happened. Hopefully this will help Google fix the issue. About a week ago I did use my phone for account verification for App Engine. I did get the code and I typed it in. Then I was presented with a form to create my 1st app, but I navigated away as I really didn't want to create one at that particular time. I thought I was verified so I could come back and create apps at any time. A week later I came back and the system wants to verify again but it doesn't like my phone number anymore. My theory is that because I verified already my phone number doesn't work, but because I have no apps the system wants to verify again. On Jul 7, 6:32 pm, Luis lme...@gmail.com wrote: I get same error but I'm in the US using ATT. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, - Luis On Jul 6, 3:22 am, Nick Johnson (Google) nick.john...@google.com wrote: Hi vico.ar, I've manually activated your account. -Nick Johnson On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 6:31 PM, vico.arvico...@gmail.com wrote: I have a problem with Verify Your Account bySMS page. Does anyone know how to verify one's account if you are living in Argentina? I entered my number in the format required by the verificator but it always gives Mobile Number or Username error. Regards, Víctor -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Google Apps preimium account SMS verification problem
Hi Joseph, I've activated your account. -Nick Johnson On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Joseph Lamj...@josephlam.net wrote: I'm getting this error The phone number has been sent too many messages or has already been used to confirm an account I've used my phone number for another free Google account but now I want to use it for my Google Apps premium account I just paid for. Can someone from Google help me fix this? -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: How to setup my data layout
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:03 AM, Mark Jonesmark0...@gmail.com wrote:
I know I'm going to have LOTS of small data records from LOTS of
people. I want to get this right so I don't have to fix it later.
Basically, my plan was to have it structured like this:
Account/Year/Month/Day/Item
What I haven't quite figured out is how to get the indices and
database to cluster around those items. I know I will want to query a
list of all items by year, by year and month, and possibly by day
within an account. Most day's will consist of 5-20 items per
account, so I guess it would be possible to blend day and item
together. without whole lot of grief since that would still only leave
me with 600 or so items per Month.
If you don't need your inequality query for something else (eg,
sorting or filtering items within a given time period), you can simply
use a DateProperty and filter based on that (Eg,
MyModel.all().filter('date ', somedate).filter('date ',
someotherdate).all()).
If you do need the inequality, you can create separate year/month/day
IntegerProperties, and do equality filters on each. You will need
indexes for each combination (year/month, year/month/day, etc).
This is sort of hierarchical and I was planning on using the parent
key for zoom out and the individual key for zoom in. What is the best
way to lay this out?
Unless you need to be able to update multiple items transactionally,
don't do this. All entities with the same root parent are in a single
entity group, and updates to an entity group are serialized, which
limits the rate at which you can update them.
-Nick Johnson
There is one other thing that may/may not be an issue and that is the
grouping of Accounts as well, so that some individuals could have
multiple accounts. Again though, wanting to cluster all of this
around the date layout above.
Thanks for any pointers.
PS I tried creating classes for Account/Year/Month/Day/Item and then
creating them with parent relationships. This seems to mean that I
have to create and save Account() then Year(), then Month() then Day()
before I can create Item. That doesn't seem efficient to me though.
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[google-appengine] Re: SMS activation from Uruguay
Hi Ricardo, I've activated your account. -Nick Johnson On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:59 PM, ricardozrzua...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, hi. I did just that entering +59899xx (with the x as the actual numbers of course) but I get then Mobile Number or Username error. The number is correct and the country code too... thanks again, ricardo On 14 jul, 07:05, Nick Johnson (Google) nick.john...@google.com wrote: Hi ricardoz, You need to select 'other (non us)' from the carrier pulldown, then enter your full international phone number in the box. -Nick Johnson On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 9:54 PM, ricardozrzua...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm trying to create my first Google appengine application but I can't get past the SMS activation screen. I live in Uruguay and from what I see none of the local communications providers are listed. Is there any way I can use app engine from Uruguay? Thanks, Ricardo -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: sendmail InvalidSenderError
On Jul 14, 8:17 pm, thebrianschott schott.br...@gmail.com wrote: Regarding #1: I am storing it in the datastore because I want the logged-in user user to be able to opt for a different email address -- only one, not more. So isn't it Ok to use the datastore for that. It's impossible for the application to send a message from an address other than the one actually associated with the account the user used to login. If you don't get the address from the User object at the same time you're sending the message, it will always throw an exception if the address in the datastore doesn't match that address (with the added negative side effect that the datastore fetch is going to be slower than getting the only address that will work directly from the User object). Regarding #2: Aren't I doing exactly that, but in two steps in my code snippet? step 1: user = users.get_current_user() step 2: address = user.email() (This may be a stupid assertion, but I am a python novice.) Yes, you're getting the correct address at the time you write it to the datastore, but it's not clear that you're using the correct address at send-time. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Need input: developers and Azure VS GAE
I'd say that your best bet for finding developers who are able to work on AppEngine applications is by posting a message right here in this group as well as in the google-appengine-python group. I do AppEngine consulting, and a couple of clients have found me here already. I'm sure that I'm not the only one. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: uploadingdata with a no gmail account
I have a gmail account vlouviaux who is not linked with my google acount vinc...@domain I add it as developer , I received well the email in the box vlouvi...@gmail.com Then when I log in with my gmail account in appengine, I don't see the application And when I log with my @DOMAIN account the developer is removed from list (pending before) So how can I have a gmail account for this app ? On 15 juil, 14:52, Nick Johnson (Google) nick.john...@google.com wrote: Hi Vincent, In situations like this, you need to create a gmail account, and add it as an administrator of your app. Then, use its credentials to do bulk up/down- loading. -Nick Johnson On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Vincentvinc...@louviaux.com wrote: Hi I am still trying to download data from my app following this tutorial http://code.google.com/intl/fr/appengine/docs/python/tools/uploadingd... But the auth always failed, I thinks it s because my Google account has no gmail account. Also to see my application console I need to go onhttp://appengine.google.com/a/DOMAIN.COM I can log in onhttp://appengine.google.com/with vinc...@louviaux.com but I see no apps .. I have also try to add others developers with a gmail adress but there are automatically removed when they accept .. I used the is_current_user_admin() function in my app and I am never detected as admin .. So how can I be correctly auth ? appcfg.py download_data --config_file=gac/Article_loader.py -- filename=/tmp/article_data_archive.csv --kind=Article -e vinc...@louviaux.com gac Downloading data records. [INFO ] Logging to bulkloader-log-20090715.103621 [INFO ] Opening database: bulkloader-progress-20090715.103621.sql3 [INFO ] Opening database: bulkloader-results-20090715.103621.sql3 [INFO ] Connecting to /remote_api Password for vinc...@louviaux.com: [INFO ] Authentication Failed -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Need input: developers and Azure VS GAE
And the second part of your question: Azure vs. GAE. I'm not aware of any formal white papers that exist on this subject; although, I'll wager cash money that Microsoft has a couple in the pipeline somewhere. I work with both. I earn my salary being a happy trilobite in the Microsoft ecosystem, so I have the C# and ASP.NET skills to take good advantage of Azure. I'm also a hopeless Google fanatic, and I got on-board with GAE on day one. My analysis: Azure and AppEngine are more like each other than any of the other cloud computing platforms, such as Amazon's EC2. They both give you a new programming model -- a sandbox -- to work in that encourages you to architect your applications in a way that allows them to take advantage of the instant, no-effort, on-demand scaling that is the real, compelling advantage of the Cloud. They both give applications fairly generous free quotas that give the developer and extremely-low cost-of-entry, enabling him of her to build and deploy an application without up-front and.or monthly cash outlays. If you are lucky/smart your application can be generating enough revenue to more than cover its costs before you have to start paying for resources. The main decision point between the two platforms comes down to the technology that you want to use to build your web application. Do you have access to C# and ASP.NET skills? Azure is a good choice. Do you have a Python/Java open source guru handy? AppEngine is a winner. A secondary decision point might be your choice of development platform. The Azure SDK will install and run on Vista or Windows Server 2008, and you will need a Visual Studio 2008 license. On the other hand, you can build AppEngine applications on Windows (XP, Vista, 7, etc), MacOS or Linux. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: uploadingdata with a no gmail account
Did you make sure to log out of App Engine before accepting the invite in your gmail account? You need to make sure you log in using the gmail account to accept the invite. -Nick Johnson On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Vincentvinc...@louviaux.com wrote: I have a gmail account vlouviaux who is not linked with my google acount vinc...@domain I add it as developer , I received well the email in the box vlouvi...@gmail.com Then when I log in with my gmail account in appengine, I don't see the application And when I log with my @DOMAIN account the developer is removed from list (pending before) So how can I have a gmail account for this app ? On 15 juil, 14:52, Nick Johnson (Google) nick.john...@google.com wrote: Hi Vincent, In situations like this, you need to create a gmail account, and add it as an administrator of your app. Then, use its credentials to do bulk up/down- loading. -Nick Johnson On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Vincentvinc...@louviaux.com wrote: Hi I am still trying to download data from my app following this tutorial http://code.google.com/intl/fr/appengine/docs/python/tools/uploadingd... But the auth always failed, I thinks it s because my Google account has no gmail account. Also to see my application console I need to go onhttp://appengine.google.com/a/DOMAIN.COM I can log in onhttp://appengine.google.com/with vinc...@louviaux.com but I see no apps .. I have also try to add others developers with a gmail adress but there are automatically removed when they accept .. I used the is_current_user_admin() function in my app and I am never detected as admin .. So how can I be correctly auth ? appcfg.py download_data --config_file=gac/Article_loader.py -- filename=/tmp/article_data_archive.csv --kind=Article -e vinc...@louviaux.com gac Downloading data records. [INFO ] Logging to bulkloader-log-20090715.103621 [INFO ] Opening database: bulkloader-progress-20090715.103621.sql3 [INFO ] Opening database: bulkloader-results-20090715.103621.sql3 [INFO ] Connecting to /remote_api Password for vinc...@louviaux.com: [INFO ] Authentication Failed -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Need input: developers and Azure VS GAE
Actually Azure team announced commercial availability and pricing yesterday. I don't believe production software, or any storage, will have a free quota any longer: http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsazure/archive/2009/07/14/confirming-commercial-availability-and-announcing-business-model.aspx# Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera - This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Adam adam.crossl...@gmail.com wrote: And the second part of your question: Azure vs. GAE. I'm not aware of any formal white papers that exist on this subject; although, I'll wager cash money that Microsoft has a couple in the pipeline somewhere. I work with both. I earn my salary being a happy trilobite in the Microsoft ecosystem, so I have the C# and ASP.NET skills to take good advantage of Azure. I'm also a hopeless Google fanatic, and I got on-board with GAE on day one. My analysis: Azure and AppEngine are more like each other than any of the other cloud computing platforms, such as Amazon's EC2. They both give you a new programming model -- a sandbox -- to work in that encourages you to architect your applications in a way that allows them to take advantage of the instant, no-effort, on-demand scaling that is the real, compelling advantage of the Cloud. They both give applications fairly generous free quotas that give the developer and extremely-low cost-of-entry, enabling him of her to build and deploy an application without up-front and.or monthly cash outlays. If you are lucky/smart your application can be generating enough revenue to more than cover its costs before you have to start paying for resources. The main decision point between the two platforms comes down to the technology that you want to use to build your web application. Do you have access to C# and ASP.NET skills? Azure is a good choice. Do you have a Python/Java open source guru handy? AppEngine is a winner. A secondary decision point might be your choice of development platform. The Azure SDK will install and run on Vista or Windows Server 2008, and you will need a Visual Studio 2008 license. On the other hand, you can build AppEngine applications on Windows (XP, Vista, 7, etc), MacOS or Linux. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: SMS activation from Uruguay
Nick, thanks a lot, I'll try it right away. rgds, ricardo On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Nick Johnson (Google)nick.john...@google.com wrote: Hi Ricardo, I've activated your account. -Nick Johnson On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:59 PM, ricardozrzua...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, hi. I did just that entering +59899xx (with the x as the actual numbers of course) but I get then Mobile Number or Username error. The number is correct and the country code too... thanks again, ricardo On 14 jul, 07:05, Nick Johnson (Google) nick.john...@google.com wrote: Hi ricardoz, You need to select 'other (non us)' from the carrier pulldown, then enter your full international phone number in the box. -Nick Johnson On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 9:54 PM, ricardozrzua...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm trying to create my first Google appengine application but I can't get past the SMS activation screen. I live in Uruguay and from what I see none of the local communications providers are listed. Is there any way I can use app engine from Uruguay? Thanks, Ricardo -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 -- Ricardo Zuasti --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Doing Appengine settings programmatically
HI All,I am writing an application in Java which will create a website for my users using some custom fields. I want that the website built and this application will be deployed on App Engine. Assuming that My user trust my application and I can have their username and password enterd to my applications setting page, how to do all Appengine settings programmatically. Are their any API available for this. The reason I want to do it this way is that the user can directly handle their app engine interaction and can pay for usage over freebie quota. Thanks Vijay --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Fetch with limit returning more results than limit
That worked, thank you Ian!
On Jul 15, 1:24 am, Ian Lewis ianmle...@gmail.com wrote:
Ben,
It looks like filter will add a filter to the existing query object (instead
of creating a new query object like django does) but the fetch method will
retrieve the objects and return them immediately without modifying the
query. You should do something like:
items_list = items.fetch(10)
and then pass the items_list to your template.
Ian
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Ben bhym...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, i am trying to limit the number of results returned on a query to
10, but i seem to be getting all results back instead of just 10. Am
i missing something with the fetch syntax?
-code-
items = Item.all()
items.filter('adminOnly = ', False)
items.filter('status = ', 2)
items.order('-wins')
items.fetch(limit=10)
template_values = {
'userInfo': userInfo,
'appDetails': appConfig.details,
'items': items,
'links': links,
}
-/code
when i iterate through the results via django in the template it
appears the query is properly applying the filters, and the order, but
is returning all results that meet that criteria instead of just the
first 10.
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[google-appengine] Re: Webservice authentication (Python)
Since I happened to have this up, here's a bit of sample code to get
an authentication cookie for an appspot app...
from google.appengine.api import urlfetch
from urllib import urlencode
email = request.POST['username']
passwd = request.POST['password']
serv_root = http://myapp.appspot.com;
target = 'http://myapp.appspot.com/null'
app_name = myapp-1.0
auth_uri = 'https://www.google.com/accounts/ClientLogin'
authreq_data = urlencode({ Email: email,
Passwd: passwd,
service: ah,
source: app_name,
accountType: HOSTED_OR_GOOGLE })
result = urlfetch.fetch(auth_uri, authreq_data, method=urlfetch.POST,
follow_redirects=False)
auth_dict = dict(x.split(=) for x in result.content.split(\n) if
x)
auth_token = auth_dict[Auth]
serv_args = {}
serv_args['continue'] = target
serv_args['auth'] = auth_token
serv_uri = %s/_ah/login?%s % (serv_root, urlencode(serv_args))
result2 = urlfetch.fetch(serv_uri, follow_redirects=False,
method=urlfetch.GET)
### here's the cookie which will authenticate future requests
cookie = result2.headers['set-cookie'].split(';')[0]
# cookie[0] = ACSID
# cookie[1] = HFSDJHSDFHSDJFHSDJFHSJFSDfsdjfhsjdfhsjdfh...
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[google-appengine] Re: uploadingdata with a no gmail account
Thanks a lot ! it s work Vincent On 15 juil, 16:05, Nick Johnson (Google) nick.john...@google.com wrote: Did you make sure to log out of App Engine before accepting the invite in your gmail account? You need to make sure you log in using the gmail account to accept the invite. -Nick Johnson On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Vincentvinc...@louviaux.com wrote: I have a gmail account vlouviaux who is not linked with my google acount vinc...@domain I add it as developer , I received well the email in the box vlouvi...@gmail.com Then when I log in with my gmail account in appengine, I don't see the application And when I log with my @DOMAIN account the developer is removed from list (pending before) So how can I have a gmail account for this app ? On 15 juil, 14:52, Nick Johnson (Google) nick.john...@google.com wrote: Hi Vincent, In situations like this, you need to create a gmail account, and add it as an administrator of your app. Then, use its credentials to do bulk up/down- loading. -Nick Johnson On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Vincentvinc...@louviaux.com wrote: Hi I am still trying to download data from my app following this tutorial http://code.google.com/intl/fr/appengine/docs/python/tools/uploadingd... But the auth always failed, I thinks it s because my Google account has no gmail account. Also to see my application console I need to go onhttp://appengine.google.com/a/DOMAIN.COM I can log in onhttp://appengine.google.com/with vinc...@louviaux.com but I see no apps .. I have also try to add others developers with a gmail adress but there are automatically removed when they accept .. I used the is_current_user_admin() function in my app and I am never detected as admin .. So how can I be correctly auth ? appcfg.py download_data --config_file=gac/Article_loader.py -- filename=/tmp/article_data_archive.csv --kind=Article -e vinc...@louviaux.com gac Downloading data records. [INFO ] Logging to bulkloader-log-20090715.103621 [INFO ] Opening database: bulkloader-progress-20090715.103621.sql3 [INFO ] Opening database: bulkloader-results-20090715.103621.sql3 [INFO ] Connecting to /remote_api Password for vinc...@louviaux.com: [INFO ] Authentication Failed -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Need input: developers and Azure VS GAE
I second Adam's idea regarding Azure vs AppEngine. It comes down to C#/ ASP.NET vs Python/Java. What skills/developers do you have access to. If you have both a good Python and C#/ASP.NETdeveloper, I would probably go for GAE/Python because of Python's innate benefits such as being able to have more readable code (good for business expansion), rapid development, etc. On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Adam adam.crossl...@gmail.com wrote: And the second part of your question: Azure vs. GAE. I'm not aware of any formal white papers that exist on this subject; although, I'll wager cash money that Microsoft has a couple in the pipeline somewhere. I work with both. I earn my salary being a happy trilobite in the Microsoft ecosystem, so I have the C# and ASP.NET skills to take good advantage of Azure. I'm also a hopeless Google fanatic, and I got on-board with GAE on day one. My analysis: Azure and AppEngine are more like each other than any of the other cloud computing platforms, such as Amazon's EC2. They both give you a new programming model -- a sandbox -- to work in that encourages you to architect your applications in a way that allows them to take advantage of the instant, no-effort, on-demand scaling that is the real, compelling advantage of the Cloud. They both give applications fairly generous free quotas that give the developer and extremely-low cost-of-entry, enabling him of her to build and deploy an application without up-front and.or monthly cash outlays. If you are lucky/smart your application can be generating enough revenue to more than cover its costs before you have to start paying for resources. The main decision point between the two platforms comes down to the technology that you want to use to build your web application. Do you have access to C# and ASP.NET skills? Azure is a good choice. Do you have a Python/Java open source guru handy? AppEngine is a winner. A secondary decision point might be your choice of development platform. The Azure SDK will install and run on Vista or Windows Server 2008, and you will need a Visual Studio 2008 license. On the other hand, you can build AppEngine applications on Windows (XP, Vista, 7, etc), MacOS or Linux. -- Cheers, John Creative Director / Software Engineer Digital Eternal (http://www.digitaleternal.com) Web Design/Development, Business Strategy, Internet Advertising, SEO, Branding --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Eating one's own dog food
Eating one's own dog food http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_one's_own_dog_food or in this case: Using one's own cloud. Amazon' cloud is based upon the IT technology they use within Amazon. Salesforce.com's Force.com offering is what they used to build their CRM system. These cloud vendors Eat their own dog food. If a cloud vendor does not use their cloud offering for their other products and/or internal systems, one would have to assume that the cloud is viewed as a technology ghetto within their own corporation - good enough for others but not for ourselves. So, concerning the Google App Engine, are other groups within Google clamoring to port or build their offerings on top of the App Engine? If so, please be specific, what Google products and infrastructure and what are the schedules for their hosting on GAE? Is the GAE group supporting the Google Docs group as they move to use GAE? How about gmail, will the Google Gmail group be relying on GAE support? I have not seen emails from either of those internal Google groups on the GAE mailing list. Lastly, when will Google search be supported by the GAE group; Will those groups have to live under the same quota restrictions while they evaluate using GAE? If not, why not? If they are unreasonable for an internal evaluation, what makes them reasonable for an external evaluation? Evaluating whether or not GAE should be used for a particular application is not FREE even if one gets a very small slice of GAE resources with which to do the evaluation. Tens or hundreds of hours go into determine if GAE has the right characteristics and quotas that limit how fast one can work makes it worse. (Yes one can $$ for higher quotas, but during the evaluation phase $$ is out of the question.) Richard Emberson -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Clustering the data and Indices
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[google-appengine] Re: Eating one's own dog food
Though I realize this is not exactly what you're asking, the concept of GAE is that it exposes some of the infrastructure that all Google applications rely on (i.e. Datastore) for others to use. So, in a sense, Google's various applications were using App Engine before App Engine existed. As far as I know, every Google service runs on the same homogeneous infrastructure, which is part of what makes it so reliable (and why the only available languages are Python and Java, languages used internally at Google). But I don't work there, so maybe I'm completely off-base. On Jul 15, 12:53 pm, richard emberson richard.ember...@gmail.com wrote: Eating one's own dog foodhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_one's_own_dog_food or in this case: Using one's own cloud. Amazon' cloud is based upon the IT technology they use within Amazon. Salesforce.com's Force.com offering is what they used to build their CRM system. These cloud vendors Eat their own dog food. If a cloud vendor does not use their cloud offering for their other products and/or internal systems, one would have to assume that the cloud is viewed as a technology ghetto within their own corporation - good enough for others but not for ourselves. So, concerning the Google App Engine, are other groups within Google clamoring to port or build their offerings on top of the App Engine? If so, please be specific, what Google products and infrastructure and what are the schedules for their hosting on GAE? Is the GAE group supporting the Google Docs group as they move to use GAE? How about gmail, will the Google Gmail group be relying on GAE support? I have not seen emails from either of those internal Google groups on the GAE mailing list. Lastly, when will Google search be supported by the GAE group; Will those groups have to live under the same quota restrictions while they evaluate using GAE? If not, why not? If they are unreasonable for an internal evaluation, what makes them reasonable for an external evaluation? Evaluating whether or not GAE should be used for a particular application is not FREE even if one gets a very small slice of GAE resources with which to do the evaluation. Tens or hundreds of hours go into determine if GAE has the right characteristics and quotas that limit how fast one can work makes it worse. (Yes one can $$ for higher quotas, but during the evaluation phase $$ is out of the question.) Richard Emberson -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Webservice authentication (Python)
Thanks for your answers.
As I understand Nick's response, I only need to use appengine_rpc.py
for the entire process. I tried the following:
---
def passwdFunc():
return ('my_email','my_passwd')
rpcServer = appengine_rpc.HttpRpcServer
('myapp.appspot.com',passwdFunc,None,'myAppName')
blah = rpcServer.Send('/')
---
This gave me a 302 error and the following log:
---
Server: myapp.appspot.com
Sending HTTP request:
POST /? HTTP/1.1
Host: myapp.appspot.com
X-appcfg-api-version: 1
Content-type: application/octet-stream
Got http error, this is try #1
Got 302 redirect. Location:
https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=ahcontinue=http://myapp.appspot.com/_ah/login%3Fconti
nue%3Dhttp://myapp.appspot.com/
ltmpl=gmahname=MyAppNamesig=46378246321321312
Sending HTTP request:
POST /? HTTP/1.1
Host: myapp.appspot.com
X-appcfg-api-version: 1
Content-type: application/octet-stream
Got http error, this is try #2
---
It seems to me that the Send() function should do all authentication-
work automatically and re-direct to the app page after logging in.
Right?
Anyway, I'll try out Tonys solution also..
On Jul 15, 11:18 am, Tony fatd...@gmail.com wrote:
Since I happened to have this up, here's a bit of sample code to get
an authentication cookie for an appspot app...
from google.appengine.api import urlfetch
from urllib import urlencode
email = request.POST['username']
passwd = request.POST['password']
serv_root = http://myapp.appspot.com;
target = 'http://myapp.appspot.com/null'
app_name = myapp-1.0
auth_uri = 'https://www.google.com/accounts/ClientLogin'
authreq_data = urlencode({ Email: email,
Passwd: passwd,
service: ah,
source: app_name,
accountType: HOSTED_OR_GOOGLE })
result = urlfetch.fetch(auth_uri, authreq_data, method=urlfetch.POST,
follow_redirects=False)
auth_dict = dict(x.split(=) for x in result.content.split(\n) if
x)
auth_token = auth_dict[Auth]
serv_args = {}
serv_args['continue'] = target
serv_args['auth'] = auth_token
serv_uri = %s/_ah/login?%s % (serv_root, urlencode(serv_args))
result2 = urlfetch.fetch(serv_uri, follow_redirects=False,
method=urlfetch.GET)
### here's the cookie which will authenticate future requests
cookie = result2.headers['set-cookie'].split(';')[0]
# cookie[0] = ACSID
# cookie[1] = HFSDJHSDFHSDJFHSDJFHSJFSDfsdjfhsjdfhsjdfh...
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[google-appengine] Re: Eating one's own dog food
I understand that BigTable is behind GAE, but my concern is more with GAE performance and quotas. If GAE had existed when Larry and Sergey were developing their pagerack algorithm, would they have used GEA for evaluation? I have my doubts. They would quickly reach quota limits, way before they knew if they had a viable idea. Richard Tony wrote: Though I realize this is not exactly what you're asking, the concept of GAE is that it exposes some of the infrastructure that all Google applications rely on (i.e. Datastore) for others to use. So, in a sense, Google's various applications were using App Engine before App Engine existed. As far as I know, every Google service runs on the same homogeneous infrastructure, which is part of what makes it so reliable (and why the only available languages are Python and Java, languages used internally at Google). But I don't work there, so maybe I'm completely off-base. On Jul 15, 12:53 pm, richard emberson richard.ember...@gmail.com wrote: Eating one's own dog foodhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_one's_own_dog_food or in this case: Using one's own cloud. Amazon' cloud is based upon the IT technology they use within Amazon. Salesforce.com's Force.com offering is what they used to build their CRM system. These cloud vendors Eat their own dog food. If a cloud vendor does not use their cloud offering for their other products and/or internal systems, one would have to assume that the cloud is viewed as a technology ghetto within their own corporation - good enough for others but not for ourselves. So, concerning the Google App Engine, are other groups within Google clamoring to port or build their offerings on top of the App Engine? If so, please be specific, what Google products and infrastructure and what are the schedules for their hosting on GAE? Is the GAE group supporting the Google Docs group as they move to use GAE? How about gmail, will the Google Gmail group be relying on GAE support? I have not seen emails from either of those internal Google groups on the GAE mailing list. Lastly, when will Google search be supported by the GAE group; Will those groups have to live under the same quota restrictions while they evaluate using GAE? If not, why not? If they are unreasonable for an internal evaluation, what makes them reasonable for an external evaluation? Evaluating whether or not GAE should be used for a particular application is not FREE even if one gets a very small slice of GAE resources with which to do the evaluation. Tens or hundreds of hours go into determine if GAE has the right characteristics and quotas that limit how fast one can work makes it worse. (Yes one can $$ for higher quotas, but during the evaluation phase $$ is out of the question.) Richard Emberson -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Your application is exceeding a quota
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 6:14 PM, richard embersonrichard.ember...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, Thank you for the response. I have tens of thousands of records to load. If I load them all at once or rate-limit the load, wont I run out of the short term quotas just the same? Or did you mean that I ought to rate-limit my load over a number of days or weeks? The problem you're running into is loading so rapidly you're hitting the very short term quotas intended to prevent you consuming all your daily quota at once. If you rate-limit enough, you can avoid hitting the short-term quotas while still staying within the daily quotas. Whether or not you need to rate limit enough to cover more than one day, or buy extra quota, is another issue. I am trying to determine if with large datasets, GAE is an adequate platform onto which the application I have in mind can be hosted. Currently, I am doing an evaluation. I've not yet built the application because I want to know if GAE has adequate performance. I've have already re-written the client-side code that extracts the data from the protocol layer and achieved a 20% performance increase over the shipped 1.2.2 sdk on the production GAE server (my new code was only 12% to 15% faster on the local development server so 20% was unexpected). So, performance is critical for me - performance against large dataset. I don't know if the Python bulkloader will be an improvement. I ship the data up as csv blocks with are parsed into Entities and then stored. Pretty simple. The Python bulk loader does all the translation into entities on the client side, and then uses remote_api to send the encoded data over. This inevitably leads to less CPU utilization than parsing it yourself on the server. Nevertheless, the main reason I recommended the Python bulk loader is because it has support for concurrency and rate-limiting built right in. Concerning the speed of deleting existing data. You suggested using key-only queries. In my initial email that you responded to, I had a short code snippet where, in deed, I set the query to use keys only. So, was the code incorrect? Sorry, I didn't read the snippet in enough detail. -Nick Johnson Richard Emberson Nick Johnson (Google) wrote: Hi Richard, You're running into short term quotas, which are designed to prevent you exhausting your entire quota for the day in one go. You need to rate-limit your bulk loading code, and/or pay for additional quota. Even enabling billing without setting a high limit will increase your short term quotas automatically. You should also look at your bulk loading code and make sure it's as efficient as possible. One possibility is to use the Python bulkloader. As far as deletion goes, make sure you are doing key-only queries to get the key to delete, which will save on CPU time and timeouts. -Nick Johnson On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:11 AM, richard embersonrichard.ember...@gmail.com wrote: So, once again, I've tried to upload some data. After a couple, I guess, thousand records I start getting HttpServletResponse.SC_FORBIDDEN from the app engine server. On the Dashboard it says: Your application is exceeding a quota: CPU Time Your application is exceeding a quota: Datastore CPU Time but under Resource, CPU Time usage is at 34% and Stored Data usage is at 4%. I am trying to develop an application on GAE. I will need to load tens of thousands or a couple of hundred thousand entities as part of testing the application. I will then want to delete those entities. Currently, I can only load a couple of hundred before the app engine starts rejecting additional uploads. And I can not delete any of them - I keep getting timeouts - even if I try to delete only 10. Is there some upload per minute quota or something? And, whats the magic to delete stuff. The following code causes timeouts: DatastoreService ds = DatastoreServiceFactory.getDatastoreService(); final Query q = new Query(kindName); q.setKeysOnly(); final IterableEntity entities = ds.prepare(q).asIterable( FetchOptions.Builder.withLimit(count)); KeyIterable ki = new KeyIterable(entities); ds.delete(ki); int numberDeleted = ki.getCount(); return numberDeleted; Richard -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en
[google-appengine] Move sub-app to new appspot instance?
In my GAE development, I'm wondering if an offshoot sub-application of my main application merits being an appspot instance of its own. The new sub-application is related but doesn't share any data with the primary app and could be used by other parties. Would moving this sub- app to its own appspot instance violate the TOS? Previous discussion considered unconclusively if a Facebook-clone where various services (i.e. images, messaging, walls, etc.) are split to different appspot instances would be allowed. This is similar to my question however there is no data exchange in my situation. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Your application is exceeding a quota
Nick, Again, thank you for your response. Two Items First Item: Is there some Java API to the short term quotas so the I can write code that knows how fast to go and when to stop? If not, are the upload short term rate limits published somewhere? Are they based on number of requests (which I can control), number of bytes stored per minute (which I can control), GAE cpu time (which I can not measure) or some other measure? Second Item: Thanks for talking about the Python bulk loader. It gave me an idea. Just as I extract data from the protocol layer without creating any Entities, during a bulk load I can push data into the protocol layer without creating any Entities. As you know, an Entity only live in client application code and during a bulk load there is no need to create any of them. Each Entity has a map with String names and values. If you have tens of thousands of these it really consumes CPU and memory. So, just as I got a 20% performance improvement during extraction, I expect to get an performance improvements during loading. Regards, Richard Nick Johnson (Google) wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 6:14 PM, richard embersonrichard.ember...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, Thank you for the response. I have tens of thousands of records to load. If I load them all at once or rate-limit the load, wont I run out of the short term quotas just the same? Or did you mean that I ought to rate-limit my load over a number of days or weeks? The problem you're running into is loading so rapidly you're hitting the very short term quotas intended to prevent you consuming all your daily quota at once. If you rate-limit enough, you can avoid hitting the short-term quotas while still staying within the daily quotas. Whether or not you need to rate limit enough to cover more than one day, or buy extra quota, is another issue. I am trying to determine if with large datasets, GAE is an adequate platform onto which the application I have in mind can be hosted. Currently, I am doing an evaluation. I've not yet built the application because I want to know if GAE has adequate performance. I've have already re-written the client-side code that extracts the data from the protocol layer and achieved a 20% performance increase over the shipped 1.2.2 sdk on the production GAE server (my new code was only 12% to 15% faster on the local development server so 20% was unexpected). So, performance is critical for me - performance against large dataset. I don't know if the Python bulkloader will be an improvement. I ship the data up as csv blocks with are parsed into Entities and then stored. Pretty simple. The Python bulk loader does all the translation into entities on the client side, and then uses remote_api to send the encoded data over. This inevitably leads to less CPU utilization than parsing it yourself on the server. Nevertheless, the main reason I recommended the Python bulk loader is because it has support for concurrency and rate-limiting built right in. Concerning the speed of deleting existing data. You suggested using key-only queries. In my initial email that you responded to, I had a short code snippet where, in deed, I set the query to use keys only. So, was the code incorrect? Sorry, I didn't read the snippet in enough detail. -Nick Johnson Richard Emberson Nick Johnson (Google) wrote: Hi Richard, You're running into short term quotas, which are designed to prevent you exhausting your entire quota for the day in one go. You need to rate-limit your bulk loading code, and/or pay for additional quota. Even enabling billing without setting a high limit will increase your short term quotas automatically. You should also look at your bulk loading code and make sure it's as efficient as possible. One possibility is to use the Python bulkloader. As far as deletion goes, make sure you are doing key-only queries to get the key to delete, which will save on CPU time and timeouts. -Nick Johnson On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:11 AM, richard embersonrichard.ember...@gmail.com wrote: So, once again, I've tried to upload some data. After a couple, I guess, thousand records I start getting HttpServletResponse.SC_FORBIDDEN from the app engine server. On the Dashboard it says: Your application is exceeding a quota: CPU Time Your application is exceeding a quota: Datastore CPU Time but under Resource, CPU Time usage is at 34% and Stored Data usage is at 4%. I am trying to develop an application on GAE. I will need to load tens of thousands or a couple of hundred thousand entities as part of testing the application. I will then want to delete those entities. Currently, I can only load a couple of hundred before the app engine starts rejecting additional uploads. And I can not delete any of them - I keep getting timeouts - even if I try to delete only 10. Is there some upload per minute quota or something? And, whats the magic to
[google-appengine] Re: Move sub-app to new appspot instance?
Ultimately the question the TOS is asking is: are multiple appspot apps being used to circumvent quotas/limits? It would seem to me that a facebook-clone app like you describe would see considerable savings by splitting into multiple apps (because of the free quota allotted to each app), which I imaging Google would frown upon. However, if your subapp has different requirements that might justify it being moved to a new app id (for example, a different group of developers who shouldn't have access to the main app's dashboard, etc), you might get some leniency. On Jul 15, 12:00 pm, echeek xaviereni...@gmail.com wrote: In my GAE development, I'm wondering if an offshoot sub-application of my main application merits being an appspot instance of its own. The new sub-application is related but doesn't share any data with the primary app and could be used by other parties. Would moving this sub- app to its own appspot instance violate the TOS? Previous discussion considered unconclusively if a Facebook-clone where various services (i.e. images, messaging, walls, etc.) are split to different appspot instances would be allowed. This is similar to my question however there is no data exchange in my situation. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Application Main Logs severity level
The severity levels in the log viewer are: DEBUG INFO WARNING ERROR CRITICAL The Java logger has levels: FINEST FINER FINE CONFIG INFO WARNING SEVERE What is the mapping between the two? Thanks Richard -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Errors and quotas..
Yes. You pay for all CPU cycles used, and all requests count toward your request total. On Jul 15, 2:22 pm, bvelasquez bvelasq...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm curious if returning an error on a request still counts towards your quota? I have a request that is being made, which is not authorized based on my sites security. I return an error immediately. However, does this request still count? Could someone basically make repeated requests to your site and artificially inflate the cost of the application by using more CPU cycles than would normally be used? Thank you, Barry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Wanted: GAE/Python rockstar
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[google-appengine] Application Main Logs not working
When I send in a request that ought to log something at the INFO level, nothing shows up in the Log viewer. When I make some requests I get a 500 response code, internal server error, but nothing shows up in the Log viewer. So, I can not tell what the problem is. Richard -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Webservice authentication (Python)
I can see why Tony's version would work. His algorithm has two
steps:
1. Get the authorization token using ClientLogin (which I also managed
to do).
2. Use the uri servername/_ah/login to get the auth. cookie.
The appengine_rpc module seems to do authentication in a similar way:
A. Try to access the app. This results in a redirect to a location
that starts with https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin
B. Get a auth. token (like step 1 above)
C. Use auth. token to get auth. cookie.
D. Try to access the app. again (this is where it fails in my case...)
Anyway, step C is performed using the function below:
---
def _GetAuthCookie(self, auth_token):
Fetches authentication cookies for an authentication token.
Args:
auth_token: The authentication token returned by ClientLogin.
Raises:
HTTPError: If there was an error fetching the authentication
cookies.
continue_location = http://localhost/;
args = {continue: continue_location, auth: auth_token}
login_path = os.environ.get(APPCFG_LOGIN_PATH, /_ah)
req = self._CreateRequest(%s://%s%s/login?%s %
(self.scheme, self.host, login_path,
urllib.urlencode(args)))
try:
response = self.opener.open(req)
except urllib2.HTTPError, e:
response = e
if (response.code != 302 or
response.info()[location] != continue_location):
raise urllib2.HTTPError(req.get_full_url(), response.code,
response.msg,
response.headers, response.fp)
self.authenticated = True
--
It seems to me, that we do nothing with the response in this
function?? Shouldn't we save the cookie in the response like Tony's
does above, and then use it when we try to log in again?
On Jul 15, 1:06 pm, epb esbenbu...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for your answers.
As I understand Nick's response, I only need to use appengine_rpc.py
for the entire process. I tried the following:
---
def passwdFunc():
return ('my_email','my_passwd')
rpcServer = appengine_rpc.HttpRpcServer
('myapp.appspot.com',passwdFunc,None,'myAppName')
blah = rpcServer.Send('/')
---
This gave me a 302 error and the following log:
---
Server: myapp.appspot.com
Sending HTTP request:
POST /? HTTP/1.1
Host: myapp.appspot.com
X-appcfg-api-version: 1
Content-type: application/octet-stream
Got http error, this is try #1
Got 302 redirect.
Location:https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=ahcontinue=http...
nue%3Dhttp://myapp.appspot.com/
ltmpl=gmahname=MyAppNamesig=46378246321321312
Sending HTTP request:
POST /? HTTP/1.1
Host: myapp.appspot.com
X-appcfg-api-version: 1
Content-type: application/octet-stream
Got http error, this is try #2
---
It seems to me that the Send() function should do all authentication-
work automatically and re-direct to the app page after logging in.
Right?
Anyway, I'll try out Tonys solution also..
On Jul 15, 11:18 am, Tony fatd...@gmail.com wrote:
Since I happened to have this up, here's a bit of sample code to get
an authentication cookie for an appspot app...
from google.appengine.api import urlfetch
from urllib import urlencode
email = request.POST['username']
passwd = request.POST['password']
serv_root = http://myapp.appspot.com;
target = 'http://myapp.appspot.com/null'
app_name = myapp-1.0
auth_uri = 'https://www.google.com/accounts/ClientLogin'
authreq_data = urlencode({ Email: email,
Passwd: passwd,
service: ah,
source: app_name,
accountType: HOSTED_OR_GOOGLE })
result = urlfetch.fetch(auth_uri, authreq_data, method=urlfetch.POST,
follow_redirects=False)
auth_dict = dict(x.split(=) for x in result.content.split(\n) if
x)
auth_token = auth_dict[Auth]
serv_args = {}
serv_args['continue'] = target
serv_args['auth'] = auth_token
serv_uri = %s/_ah/login?%s % (serv_root, urlencode(serv_args))
result2 = urlfetch.fetch(serv_uri, follow_redirects=False,
method=urlfetch.GET)
### here's the cookie which will authenticate future requests
cookie = result2.headers['set-cookie'].split(';')[0]
# cookie[0] = ACSID
# cookie[1] = HFSDJHSDFHSDJFHSDJFHSJFSDfsdjfhsjdfhsjdfh...
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[google-appengine] Re: Your application is exceeding a quota
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:03 PM, richard embersonrichard.ember...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, Again, thank you for your response. Two Items First Item: Is there some Java API to the short term quotas so the I can write code that knows how fast to go and when to stop? If not, are the upload short term rate limits published somewhere? Are they based on number of requests (which I can control), number of bytes stored per minute (which I can control), GAE cpu time (which I can not measure) or some other measure? Not currently, no. Your best bet is to write your uploader to run until it gets over quota errors, then back off a bit. The rates apply to all the quotas that are accounted for on App Engine, and constitute a fraction of your available daily quota for each. Increasing your daily limits through billing will also increase the short-term buckets. In some cases, simply enabling billing raises the limits. Second Item: Thanks for talking about the Python bulk loader. It gave me an idea. Just as I extract data from the protocol layer without creating any Entities, during a bulk load I can push data into the protocol layer without creating any Entities. As you know, an Entity only live in client application code and during a bulk load there is no need to create any of them. Each Entity has a map with String names and values. If you have tens of thousands of these it really consumes CPU and memory. So, just as I got a 20% performance improvement during extraction, I expect to get an performance improvements during loading. This is exactly how remote_api works, which the Bulk Loader uses. -Nick Johnson Regards, Richard Nick Johnson (Google) wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 6:14 PM, richard embersonrichard.ember...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, Thank you for the response. I have tens of thousands of records to load. If I load them all at once or rate-limit the load, wont I run out of the short term quotas just the same? Or did you mean that I ought to rate-limit my load over a number of days or weeks? The problem you're running into is loading so rapidly you're hitting the very short term quotas intended to prevent you consuming all your daily quota at once. If you rate-limit enough, you can avoid hitting the short-term quotas while still staying within the daily quotas. Whether or not you need to rate limit enough to cover more than one day, or buy extra quota, is another issue. I am trying to determine if with large datasets, GAE is an adequate platform onto which the application I have in mind can be hosted. Currently, I am doing an evaluation. I've not yet built the application because I want to know if GAE has adequate performance. I've have already re-written the client-side code that extracts the data from the protocol layer and achieved a 20% performance increase over the shipped 1.2.2 sdk on the production GAE server (my new code was only 12% to 15% faster on the local development server so 20% was unexpected). So, performance is critical for me - performance against large dataset. I don't know if the Python bulkloader will be an improvement. I ship the data up as csv blocks with are parsed into Entities and then stored. Pretty simple. The Python bulk loader does all the translation into entities on the client side, and then uses remote_api to send the encoded data over. This inevitably leads to less CPU utilization than parsing it yourself on the server. Nevertheless, the main reason I recommended the Python bulk loader is because it has support for concurrency and rate-limiting built right in. Concerning the speed of deleting existing data. You suggested using key-only queries. In my initial email that you responded to, I had a short code snippet where, in deed, I set the query to use keys only. So, was the code incorrect? Sorry, I didn't read the snippet in enough detail. -Nick Johnson Richard Emberson Nick Johnson (Google) wrote: Hi Richard, You're running into short term quotas, which are designed to prevent you exhausting your entire quota for the day in one go. You need to rate-limit your bulk loading code, and/or pay for additional quota. Even enabling billing without setting a high limit will increase your short term quotas automatically. You should also look at your bulk loading code and make sure it's as efficient as possible. One possibility is to use the Python bulkloader. As far as deletion goes, make sure you are doing key-only queries to get the key to delete, which will save on CPU time and timeouts. -Nick Johnson On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:11 AM, richard embersonrichard.ember...@gmail.com wrote: So, once again, I've tried to upload some data. After a couple, I guess, thousand records I start getting HttpServletResponse.SC_FORBIDDEN from the app engine server. On the Dashboard it says: Your application is exceeding a quota: CPU Time Your application is exceeding a quota:
[google-appengine] Re: Webservice authentication (Python)
The response has the Set-cookie header set, which will cause the
user's browser to save the cookie and then present it on the next
request (after redirected by the 302). In my code I've opted not to
follow the redirect, and extracted the cookie myself, because it's the
urlfetch service doing the request, not the user. You can then either
return a response to the user with a Set-cookie HTTP header (causing
their browser to save the cookie), or handle it some other way (return
it in the body and set the cookie with Javascript, for example).
I think I misunderstood your original question, though, and you're
looking for something different. You want to get an authorization
cookie and then use it to make repeated requests with urlfetch, not
with a browser? If that's the case, you're going to want to capture
the Set-cookie header from the second response, and supply that in
future requests (setting the Cookie header for urlfetch).
Basically, urlfetch will follow redirects but it won't handle cookies
automatically - so what's happening is it's ignoring the Set-cookie
header and following the redirect, and being denied because it's not
supplying a cookie.
On Jul 15, 2:58 pm, epb esbenbu...@gmail.com wrote:
I can see why Tony's version would work. His algorithm has two
steps:
1. Get the authorization token using ClientLogin (which I also managed
to do).
2. Use the uri servername/_ah/login to get the auth. cookie.
The appengine_rpc module seems to do authentication in a similar way:
A. Try to access the app. This results in a redirect to a location
that starts withhttps://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin
B. Get a auth. token (like step 1 above)
C. Use auth. token to get auth. cookie.
D. Try to access the app. again (this is where it fails in my case...)
Anyway, step C is performed using the function below:
---
def _GetAuthCookie(self, auth_token):
Fetches authentication cookies for an authentication token.
Args:
auth_token: The authentication token returned by ClientLogin.
Raises:
HTTPError: If there was an error fetching the authentication
cookies.
continue_location = http://localhost/;
args = {continue: continue_location, auth: auth_token}
login_path = os.environ.get(APPCFG_LOGIN_PATH, /_ah)
req = self._CreateRequest(%s://%s%s/login?%s %
(self.scheme, self.host, login_path,
urllib.urlencode(args)))
try:
response = self.opener.open(req)
except urllib2.HTTPError, e:
response = e
if (response.code != 302 or
response.info()[location] != continue_location):
raise urllib2.HTTPError(req.get_full_url(), response.code,
response.msg,
response.headers, response.fp)
self.authenticated = True
--
It seems to me, that we do nothing with the response in this
function?? Shouldn't we save the cookie in the response like Tony's
does above, and then use it when we try to log in again?
On Jul 15, 1:06 pm, epb esbenbu...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for your answers.
As I understand Nick's response, I only need to use appengine_rpc.py
for the entire process. I tried the following:
---
def passwdFunc():
return ('my_email','my_passwd')
rpcServer = appengine_rpc.HttpRpcServer
('myapp.appspot.com',passwdFunc,None,'myAppName')
blah = rpcServer.Send('/')
---
This gave me a 302 error and the following log:
---
Server: myapp.appspot.com
Sending HTTP request:
POST /? HTTP/1.1
Host: myapp.appspot.com
X-appcfg-api-version: 1
Content-type: application/octet-stream
Got http error, this is try #1
Got 302 redirect.
Location:https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=ahcontinue=http...
nue%3Dhttp://myapp.appspot.com/
ltmpl=gmahname=MyAppNamesig=46378246321321312
Sending HTTP request:
POST /? HTTP/1.1
Host: myapp.appspot.com
X-appcfg-api-version: 1
Content-type: application/octet-stream
Got http error, this is try #2
---
It seems to me that the Send() function should do all authentication-
work automatically and re-direct to the app page after logging in.
Right?
Anyway, I'll try out Tonys solution also..
On Jul 15, 11:18 am, Tony fatd...@gmail.com wrote:
Since I happened to have this up, here's a bit of sample code to get
an authentication cookie for an appspot app...
from google.appengine.api import urlfetch
from urllib import urlencode
email = request.POST['username']
passwd = request.POST['password']
serv_root = http://myapp.appspot.com;
target = 'http://myapp.appspot.com/null'
app_name = myapp-1.0
auth_uri = 'https://www.google.com/accounts/ClientLogin'
authreq_data = urlencode({ Email: email,
Passwd: passwd,
service: ah,
source: app_name,
[google-appengine] Re: Webservice authentication (Python)
I believe that the difference between urlfetch and urllib2 is
superficial - App Engine makes all requests using urlfetch, regardless
of which lib you use in your code.
On Jul 15, 4:55 pm, epb esbenbu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 15, 4:05 pm, Tony fatd...@gmail.com wrote:
The response has the Set-cookie header set, which will cause the
user's browser to save the cookie and then present it on the next
request (after redirected by the 302). In my code I've opted not to
follow the redirect, and extracted the cookie myself, because it's the
urlfetch service doing the request, not the user. You can then either
return a response to the user with a Set-cookie HTTP header (causing
their browser to save the cookie), or handle it some other way (return
it in the body and set the cookie with Javascript, for example).
I think I misunderstood your original question, though, and you're
looking for something different. You want to get an authorization
cookie and then use it to make repeated requests with urlfetch, not
with a browser? If that's the case, you're going to want to capture
the Set-cookie header from the second response, and supply that in
future requests (setting the Cookie header for urlfetch).
Yes, that is exactly what I want :) My client app. is not browser-
based. I guess I'll just use your method then.. appengine_rpc must be
intended for browser apps only, as it does nothing to capture the
auth. cookie. I could of course extend the appengine_rpc module to
capture the cookie, but the module uses urllib2.OpenerDirector.open()
to open URLs and this is perhaps not the way to go in my case? I am
not sure what the difference is between urlfetch() and open() it
seems like I can get the headers (and hereby the cookie) by using info
() on the response from open().
Basically, urlfetch will follow redirects but it won't handle cookies
automatically - so what's happening is it's ignoring the Set-cookie
header and following the redirect, and being denied because it's not
supplying a cookie.
On Jul 15, 2:58 pm, epb esbenbu...@gmail.com wrote:
I can see why Tony's version would work. His algorithm has two
steps:
1. Get the authorization token using ClientLogin (which I also managed
to do).
2. Use the uri servername/_ah/login to get the auth. cookie.
The appengine_rpc module seems to do authentication in a similar way:
A. Try to access the app. This results in a redirect to a location
that starts withhttps://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin
B. Get a auth. token (like step 1 above)
C. Use auth. token to get auth. cookie.
D. Try to access the app. again (this is where it fails in my case...)
Anyway, step C is performed using the function below:
---
def _GetAuthCookie(self, auth_token):
Fetches authentication cookies for an authentication token.
Args:
auth_token: The authentication token returned by ClientLogin.
Raises:
HTTPError: If there was an error fetching the authentication
cookies.
continue_location = http://localhost/;
args = {continue: continue_location, auth: auth_token}
login_path = os.environ.get(APPCFG_LOGIN_PATH, /_ah)
req = self._CreateRequest(%s://%s%s/login?%s %
(self.scheme, self.host, login_path,
urllib.urlencode(args)))
try:
response = self.opener.open(req)
except urllib2.HTTPError, e:
response = e
if (response.code != 302 or
response.info()[location] != continue_location):
raise urllib2.HTTPError(req.get_full_url(), response.code,
response.msg,
response.headers, response.fp)
self.authenticated = True
--
It seems to me, that we do nothing with the response in this
function?? Shouldn't we save the cookie in the response like Tony's
does above, and then use it when we try to log in again?
On Jul 15, 1:06 pm, epb esbenbu...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for your answers.
As I understand Nick's response, I only need to use appengine_rpc.py
for the entire process. I tried the following:
---
def passwdFunc():
return ('my_email','my_passwd')
rpcServer = appengine_rpc.HttpRpcServer
('myapp.appspot.com',passwdFunc,None,'myAppName')
blah = rpcServer.Send('/')
---
This gave me a 302 error and the following log:
---
Server: myapp.appspot.com
Sending HTTP request:
POST /? HTTP/1.1
Host: myapp.appspot.com
X-appcfg-api-version: 1
Content-type: application/octet-stream
Got http error, this is try #1
Got 302 redirect.
Location:https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=ahcontinue=http...
nue%3Dhttp://myapp.appspot.com/
ltmpl=gmahname=MyAppNamesig=46378246321321312
Sending HTTP request:
POST /? HTTP/1.1
[google-appengine] Re: sendmail InvalidSenderError
Wooble, Thanx, I did not realize that sendmail has that limitation. Is there a workaround within the gae, or do I need to revise the instructions to my app to tell users that they will need to forward messages from within their gmail account? Brian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Quota changes keep on getting canceled by Google checkout
Hi all, I want to increase my quotas and do so from the Billing Settings section of the admin interface. I go through the Google Checkout process without any issues. When I check my inbox I get two emails, one confirming my new order and another one stating that my order has been canceled. There doesn't seem to be any reasons in the email or in my Billing History as per why that is. Anyone can help me find out why my order keeps on getting canceled? Cheers, Dominic --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Wanted: GAE/Python rockstar
It's pieces of sh*t like you who give this industry a bad name. All you want is a mule to abuse. Go away and find another industry to rape c*ck gobbler!! Shoo!! On Jul 15, 1:35 pm, mytemp mytempjunkm...@gmail.com wrote: Looking for rockstar Python developers that are fast and can take an idea (with some detail) to something working very quickly, even better if they know how to make it pretty and do front-end work to so I don't need a designer right off the bat. Prefer experience with merchant account integration as well as web services APIs (google, twitter, FB, youtube)... even better if you are in the SF bay area so we can meet in person, but that's not a requirement. Do want someone that just get's it and doesn't need a lot of hand holding to make good decisions. Please send me your hourly compensation requirements and sample work (not just web site, but what you did, info on how long it took, etc). Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: sendmail InvalidSenderError
The FROM address must either be a.) the currently logged in user, or b.) a registered admin of the app. If you want to get around that limitation, you'll have to utilize a service external to GAE. On Jul 15, 6:02 pm, thebrianschott schott.br...@gmail.com wrote: Wooble, Thanx, I did not realize that sendmail has that limitation. Is there a workaround within the gae, or do I need to revise the instructions to my app to tell users that they will need to forward messages from within their gmail account? Brian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] task queue: admin-only URLs don't retry after HTTP error?
Hello, I need to make the task-queue worker URLs accessible only to the task queue, and not to people who happen to guess the URL but are not administrators. Unfortunately, the access restriction option appears to mess up the retry mechanism of the task queue. Base scenario: with no changes to my app.yaml, I can test the task queue using the SDK and verify that the workers are doing the right thing when I tell each task to Run. If there is a problem while a worker runs a tasks, it generates a HTTP 500 error, and the task is not cleared from the queue. this is good behavior that I want to see when I restrict the worker URL to admin using app.yaml, but it doesn't turn out to be the case for me. These are the lines added to my app.yaml: - url: /init/post_process_data/new_row_notify_handler login: admin script: gaehandler.py # note that I'm using web2py secure: optional and I can verify that the access restriction has taken effect because when I go to the worker URL, I get redirected to a login page which says that I am Not logged in. And when I try to run a task in the queue using the admin console, it does get triggered correctly. But when the worker generates a 500 error, the task is mistakenly removed from the queue. Perhaps my configuration is incorrect? Or could this be a bug? Dan ps- This thread has some similar discussion: http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/browse_thread/thread/89573a9d573ee6c/8dc5579764c2a4e0?hl=enlnk=gstq=taskqueue+admin# --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] simultaneous dynamic requests, max blob size, multi-blob?
1) I saw that 30 was listed somewhere as the max simultaneous dynamic requests for an app. Is this really true? Even if I am paying, and I have a very popular app? I see the math indicating that one can retire 400/sec with 75ms latency, but I am sure that GOOG-internal apps aren't held to this limit of 30. Is this really a hard limit? 2) Great to see that Service for storing and serving large files is on deck. Can y'all give any indication whether this will be accomplished by making blobs bigger (or adding some sort of uberblob)? Any indications on new max size would be great. 3) Along those lines, has anyone implemented something like multi-blob fragmentation/reassembly for storing serving things greater than 1MB? Thanks! Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: simultaneous dynamic requests, max blob size, multi-blob?
I'm pretty sure #1 is correct. Of course, it's not a hard limit in the sense that the 31st request is dropped, rather it's queued, but yes it's unfortunate. On Jul 15, 10:33 pm, Jeff Enderwick jeff.enderw...@gmail.com wrote: 1) I saw that 30 was listed somewhere as the max simultaneous dynamic requests for an app. Is this really true? Even if I am paying, and I have a very popular app? I see the math indicating that one can retire 400/sec with 75ms latency, but I am sure that GOOG-internal apps aren't held to this limit of 30. Is this really a hard limit? 2) Great to see that Service for storing and serving large files is on deck. Can y'all give any indication whether this will be accomplished by making blobs bigger (or adding some sort of uberblob)? Any indications on new max size would be great. 3) Along those lines, has anyone implemented something like multi-blob fragmentation/reassembly for storing serving things greater than 1MB? Thanks! Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Wanted: GAE/Python rockstar
Is there a story, here, or just a random outburst? I've certainly been shopped on this list previously, had my time wasted and my expertise stolen by the likes of Twittertise its 'creator' ... but you don't see me attacking everyone coming here looking for a developer. Thanks- - Andy Badera - and...@badera.us - Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew+badera - This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 4:13 PM, RockstarDev craig...@gmail.com wrote: It's pieces of sh*t like you who give this industry a bad name. All you want is a mule to abuse. Go away and find another industry to rape c*ck gobbler!! Shoo!! On Jul 15, 1:35 pm, mytemp mytempjunkm...@gmail.com wrote: Looking for rockstar Python developers that are fast and can take an idea (with some detail) to something working very quickly, even better if they know how to make it pretty and do front-end work to so I don't need a designer right off the bat. Prefer experience with merchant account integration as well as web services APIs (google, twitter, FB, youtube)... even better if you are in the SF bay area so we can meet in person, but that's not a requirement. Do want someone that just get's it and doesn't need a lot of hand holding to make good decisions. Please send me your hourly compensation requirements and sample work (not just web site, but what you did, info on how long it took, etc). Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: Need input: developers and Azure VS GAE
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Adam adam.crossl...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 15, 2:08 pm, mytemp mytempjunkm...@gmail.com wrote: So, if I had access to a rockstar Python/GAE person (or two)... at a reasonable price, I think I'd just go GAE. Anyone? I definitely agree with this. All other things being equal, I'd say the AppEngine is the better deal. From my experience here in the Boston area, a talented Python programmer can be had at a lower rate than a similar .NET consultant. Of course, the number of Python consultants who also know AppEngine very well is going to be quite small. Again ... have to dispute some stats here. Python programmers, according to many national surveys, earn just about the highest freelance wages out there -- more than Java or .NET by about $10/hour or more. And I'm a strong C#/ ASP.NET guy myself -- .NET butters my bread -- but Python, in a market where Python is being used for a business purpose, pays better than .NET. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
