Re: [Hampshire] Music software Recommendations
There's a sound editor called Ardour2 which seems pretty good. I understand it's aimed at the ProTools crowd. Cheers, Paul Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Music software Recommendations
2008/10/8 Rob Malpass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi all > > Just mucking about really I thought I might turn my hand to some music - > haven't done so since way back on the Amiga more years ago than I care to > remember. The tool of choice then was something called protracker - > anybody know what I should be searching for nowadays? Not knowing the search > term is proving an obstacle. > > The sort of thing I'm after is an x channel (it was 4 but I'm sure more are > possible thesedays) digital recorder where you start with your drums, get > them to loop, add your base, cymbols, hihat etc etc. > > Should I' be searching for a tracker, a sequencer?? Anybody used a good > one on Linux? FWIW I only have onboard sound but I don't suppose that'll > matter much. > > Cheers > Rob I have a bit of a review (a year or so old) of music programs on my wiki: www.salisburys.net/PetersNotes-TW.html#[[An%20overview%20of%20music%20programs]] If you just love playing with drum loops then hydrogen is the best fun ever. HTH, Peter -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Music software Recommendations
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 09:05:35PM +0100, Rob Malpass wrote: > Just mucking about really I thought I might turn my hand to some > music - haven't done so since way back on the Amiga more years ago > than I care to remember. The tool of choice then was something > called protracker - anybody know what I should be searching for > nowadays? Not knowing the search term is proving an obstacle. > The sort of thing I'm after is an x channel (it was 4 but I'm sure > more are possible thesedays) digital recorder where you start with > your drums, get them to loop, add your base, cymbols, hihat etc etc. > Should I' be searching for a tracker, a sequencer?? Anybody used a > good one on Linux? FWIW I only have onboard sound but I don't > suppose that'll matter much. You've got Audacity, which allows you to edit recordings (MP3s, WAVs -- basically samples). Then there's Rosegarden, which is a sequencer -- that gives you a way to put the samples together at different pitches for different times (i.e. equivalent to Protracker, only far more flexible). If you're into Western musical notation (i.e. music typesetting), there's at least MusixTeX, Lilypond, and NtEd. The first two have text-based input languages, and require a processor to turn that into the typeset page. The latter is WYSIWYG, and is still under heavy development, but appears to be stable. There are several other projects for music typesetting, including Rosegarden, but they are either desperately unstable or close to vapourware. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Questions are a burden, and answers a prison for oneself. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
Paul Stimpson wrote: > "but your head of department said it was OK." :) These days this may not be good enough - get it in writing. Jacqui -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Music software Recommendations
On Wednesday 08 October 2008 21:05:35 Rob Malpass wrote: > Hi all > > Just mucking about really I thought I might turn my hand to some music - > haven't done so since way back on the Amiga more years ago than I care to > remember. The tool of choice then was something called protracker - > anybody know what I should be searching for nowadays? Not knowing the > search term is proving an obstacle. > > The sort of thing I'm after is an x channel (it was 4 but I'm sure more are > possible thesedays) digital recorder where you start with your drums, get > them to loop, add your base, cymbols, hihat etc etc. > > Should I' be searching for a tracker, a sequencer?? Anybody used a good > one on Linux? FWIW I only have onboard sound but I don't suppose that'll > matter much. > > Cheers > Rob Rob Try this link, I downloaded it a while ago ftp://ftp.musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/ video/video-demos/Musix099-videodemo-general.ogg Its a guy producing a sound track for a game and it all done in linux, if the link don't work let me and I will send you the video file, its about 48mb Tim -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Music software Recommendations
On Wednesday 08 October 2008 21:05:35 Rob Malpass wrote: > Hi all > > Just mucking about really I thought I might turn my hand to some music - > haven't done so since way back on the Amiga more years ago than I care to > remember. The tool of choice then was something called protracker - > anybody know what I should be searching for nowadays? Not knowing the > search term is proving an obstacle. > > The sort of thing I'm after is an x channel (it was 4 but I'm sure more are > possible thesedays) digital recorder where you start with your drums, get > them to loop, add your base, cymbols, hihat etc etc. > > Should I' be searching for a tracker, a sequencer?? Anybody used a good > one on Linux? FWIW I only have onboard sound but I don't suppose that'll > matter much. > > Cheers > Rob I'm no music person but when I play with music track, joining bit of music from one song to another I use audacity http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Guess that would be a good start Tim -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Music software Recommendations
You could try Ubuntustudio which comes packed with music software. You can get it at http://www.ubuntustudio.org If you don't want to change distro the list of stuff installed on Ubuntustudio should be a good starting point. Cheers, Paul. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Music software Recommendations
Hi all Just mucking about really I thought I might turn my hand to some music - haven't done so since way back on the Amiga more years ago than I care to remember. The tool of choice then was something called protracker - anybody know what I should be searching for nowadays? Not knowing the search term is proving an obstacle. The sort of thing I'm after is an x channel (it was 4 but I'm sure more are possible thesedays) digital recorder where you start with your drums, get them to loop, add your base, cymbols, hihat etc etc. Should I' be searching for a tracker, a sequencer?? Anybody used a good one on Linux? FWIW I only have onboard sound but I don't suppose that'll matter much. Cheers Rob-- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Colour depth
On Wednesday 08 October 2008 19:43:41 Steve Kemp wrote: > On Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 19:37:44 +0100, Tim wrote: > > How can I tell what the colour depth (16, 24, 32 bit etc.) I am using. I > > know I can look at xorg.conf but how do I know it is using what I tell it > > to use?? > > xdpyinfo will tell you that, and much much more. > > Steve > -- > Debian GNU/Linux System Administration > http://www.debian-administration.org/ Cheer Steve, just what I wanted. Tim GET FREE SMILEYS FOR YOUR IM & EMAIL - Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/smileys Works with AIM®, MSN® Messenger, Yahoo!® Messenger, ICQ®, Google TalkT and most webmails -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Colour depth
On Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 19:37:44 +0100, Tim wrote: > How can I tell what the colour depth (16, 24, 32 bit etc.) I am using. I know > I can look at xorg.conf but how do I know it is using what I tell it to use?? xdpyinfo will tell you that, and much much more. Steve -- Debian GNU/Linux System Administration http://www.debian-administration.org/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Colour depth
How can I tell what the colour depth (16, 24, 32 bit etc.) I am using. I know I can look at xorg.conf but how do I know it is using what I tell it to use?? For the record I am using an ATI 1600 Pro but using Vesa drivers on mepis 7 (debian etch) and my monitor is Viewsonic 19" VA903b Tim -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
2008/10/8 Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 04:49:03PM +0100, Chris. Aubrey-Smith wrote: > > I fantasise about a house in which I could add power sockets where needed > > without having to take a chisel to the walls. I dream of having direct > > access to 12 volts, so as to do away with the black bricks which adorn > most > > of my 240-volt outlets, and a system of ducts for LAN cables. > >From memory of my systems at home, you'd also need 6V, 9V, 15V, and > 19V, in a bewildering variety of differing connectors... > > Hugo. Apart from the computers themselves, I have practically nothing which calls for more than 12 volts. A step-down to lower voltages is easily achieved within an appropriate (Work needed here!) connector. Remember, this IS a fantasy C. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
Jacqui Caren wrote: > Lisi wrote: >> On Tuesday 07 October 2008 23:17:12 Steve Kemp wrote: >>> I'm actually more curious about the relative age spread amongst the >>> LUG members. >> Well, assuming that 14 is now the youngest, we have 14 to 79 or 80. > > I am also curious about how long members have been 'into' linux > (or other computer technology). ICL Perq and a 68k SysIII c 1983 -- People choose Microsoft Windows for their PC in the same manner that the citizens of Soviet Russia elected the General Secretary of the Communist Party during the cold war. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
Lisi wrote: > > I was just shying off admitting my age I expected you not to know. But > I'm younger than I look, so I don't know why. ;-) Here's another random fact > for you (I too like random facts more than history): Colossus (the first > real electronic computer) was end of 1943/beginning of 1944 (depending on > whether you take the first day it worked or the first day it went > operational). > On 17 November 1947 John Bardeen and Walter Brattain observed that when electrical contacts were applied to a crystal of germanium, the output power was larger than the input. William Shockley saw the potential in this and worked over the next few months greatly expanding the knowledge of semiconductors and is considered by many to be the 'father' of the transistor. (Wikipedia) It happened a little too early for me to witness the 'birth' of the transistor. -- People choose Microsoft Windows for their PC in the same manner that the citizens of Soviet Russia elected the General Secretary of the Communist Party during the cold war. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 04:49:03PM +0100, Chris. Aubrey-Smith wrote: > I fantasise about a house in which I could add power sockets where needed > without having to take a chisel to the walls. I dream of having direct > access to 12 volts, so as to do away with the black bricks which adorn most > of my 240-volt outlets, and a system of ducts for LAN cables. From memory of my systems at home, you'd also need 6V, 9V, 15V, and 19V, in a bewildering variety of differing connectors... Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- UNIX: Italian pen maker. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
I fantasise about a house in which I could add power sockets where needed without having to take a chisel to the walls. I dream of having direct access to 12 volts, so as to do away with the black bricks which adorn most of my 240-volt outlets, and a system of ducts for LAN cables. Only then could I start planning the video, audio and data services to exploit them! Chris. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
Awesome idea to discuss Becky! Personally I wouldn't want multiple computers around the house, just one I could access from every room. (Through multiple screens in the walls) The media center would be favourite bit, watch recorded/live TV/DVDs/Videos from anywhere. And when listening to music it would follow you around the house if you moved around. My next stop would be super-fast internet where linux CDs would download in minutes or seconds. :D Of course it would other uses too (streaming media, etc). Greg. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Becky Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well the title is kind of confusing, so I'll explain more. ;-) > > My mad idea to do with computers for if I came into a large sum of money > is this (obviously if I had my own house if this happened - My Mum > wouldn't appreciate me filling the whole house with computers, > unfortunately!) > > Anyone else have any odd/interesting/wacky ideas about what they'd do > computer/linux -wise if they could afford it? > > :-) > > Becky . -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
Tony Whitmore wrote: > > It might be worth pointing out that if you do these things without the > > consent of your employer you could fall foul of their AUP and possibly the > > Computer Misuse Act. If you want to be sure that you won't get into > > disciplinary problems, clear your use of such software with your employer > > first. > I did make the right phone calls first. Fortunately I know the right people to call so if anybody decides to make something of it I can say "but your head of department said it was OK." :) Cheers, Paul. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
> Anyone else have any odd/interesting/wacky ideas about what they'd do > computer/linux -wise if they could afford it? Build a glorified Eliza system, with voice synthesis and recognition. Then put a big red light on the front of it, and tell it to call everyone "Dave"... Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
2008/10/8 Jacqui Caren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Becky Taylor wrote: >> Anyone else have any odd/interesting/wacky ideas about what they'd do >> computer/linux -wise if they could afford it? > > I have a set of Aldi cordless headphones and listen to audio books while > lying in a deep bubble bath with the lights out in the bathroom. > > Very relaxing! If I did that I'd probably forget to take them off before starting to wash my hair B-( -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
2008/10/8 Paul Stimpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > The great thing about X10 is that it works by sending data over the > mains wiring so the only thing you have to do is take the light switch > off the wall and replace it with a clever one. There's other micro-modules > that let you convert your existing switches so there is no visible change. This is starting to sound like it could be quite a bit of fun B-) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from srv-gw06.tauntons.ac.uk [212.219.117.82] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:22:14 + User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1-rc2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:22:22 +0100, Paul Stimpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Becky Taylor wrote: >> We have this awful net-nanny called 'websense' - I don't know if anyone >> else has come across it? Websense blocks bizarre words - 'sussex' >> 'middlesex' and 'wife' for some examples. >> Wife? It came up as 'adult material'. What?! Bizarre. Surely then >> 'husband', 'auntie', 'uncle' and 'grandmother' should also have been >> blocked? > > Seen that too... In one place the filter decided that "analyser" (a > common word in my job) was a naughty word. If you have a machine at home > that is always-on and you can take your own laptop into school I can > give you all the details of the system I put together that fakes an SSL > session into my home server then runs a VPN on it so I can join my home > network and surf whatever I like. I can even access my printers and > network hard drive at home and backup my files from inside a company > network. :). All you need is PERL, OpenVPN and a couple of nice > open-source scripts :) I haven't found a filter yet it couldn't bork :D It might be worth pointing out that if you do these things without the consent of your employer you could fall foul of their AUP and possibly the Computer Misuse Act. If you want to be sure that you won't get into disciplinary problems, clear your use of such software with your employer first. Tony -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
Hi, Victor Churchill wrote: > > 'sall just a pipe dream at the moment. Part of the 'Grand Designs' > from-the-ground-up fantasy. Wouldn't really work in a Grade II Listed > thatched cottage where I live at the mo anyway. > > The great thing about X10 is that it works by sending data over the mains wiring so the only thing you have to do is take the light switch off the wall and replace it with a clever one. The PC then talks to the switches over the mains with an X10 modem. There's even lamp adaptors that fit between the lamp and the fitting if that isn't practical (the one I saw can't be used in damp areas like bathrooms unfortunately.) I found a wireless, battery-powered PIR sensor for X10 here http://www.amazon.co.uk/X10-MS13E2-Indoor-Wireless-Motion/dp/B000KB2DTA . For the bathroom there's switch modules like the Marmitek AW12 that are only 46mmx46mmx17mm so you could hide them behind/in the light fittings. Should keep the inspector happy :) There's other micro-modules that let you convert your existing switches so there is no visible change. Cheers, Paul. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Another Hello
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Becky Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow, your school's giving out eee pcs? I wish my college would do that... > I keep trying to get my friends into linux, but the closest I got was > when my friend asked me to install Mint on his laptop... That didn't > turn out so good, I accidentally wiped all his data on XP! Owch... He's > very understanding and wasn't too cross with me, but i still feel guilty > when I think about it... :-/ . > I think next time I partition someone's hard drive I'll be a bit more > careful. Well... a lot more careful ! ;-) Yeah, it's rather awesome. They have to be returned when you leave the school but you also get a wireless internet dongle thingy which is really handy. Thing is they've blocked practically everything on the internet, all discussions forums, social networking sites, web email, etc. (They're meant to be for people without computers/the internet for use for homework, etc) It's not the kind of thing you'd expect from my school (for anyone who knows the area I go to Chamberlayne). The rumour is that no other school wanted them so we got loads (although I doubt it's true). -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
Becky Taylor wrote: > Anyone else have any odd/interesting/wacky ideas about what they'd do > computer/linux -wise if they could afford it? I have a set of Aldi cordless headphones and listen to audio books while lying in a deep bubble bath with the lights out in the bathroom. Very relaxing! Jacqui -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
On the subject of school/work IT stupidity: One of the girls here moved over from another part of the company nearly a month ago. Her login got changed because of the move and she couldn't connect to the email server any more. Her new manager contacted support and asked or her email account to be moved over too. She still has no email and (3 weeks later) her manager just called again and demanded to know why she still has no email. The reason given (you'll love this one.) "We emailed her requesting more information and she never responded so we closed the case." ! Cheers, Paul. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
Bob Dunlop wrote: > I think you need to check that date. 1978 is just possible although I > think the poly would have still been a couple of years behind the times. Oops = 82 sounds more accurate - 22ish was when I started the poly > Uni in 1979 we had pdp11 with core stores, but it was a bit more than > 4K. I've been using Unix/Xenix/Linux almost continuously since then. Ah 4K was the mem on a Pet and the "per process" limit of Harris/PDP's (for students). I did have access to a 96K banked Pet though for simulation work. Jacqui -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
Hi Paul, 2008/10/8 Paul Stimpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Victor Churchill wrote: >> I have always fancied the idea of a house with webcams and floor >> pressure sensors so that it turns on the lights for you as you're >> going up stairs and then turns them off again. > > I think you might be better with small PIR sensors as you'd need less > processing power to achieve your result and you'd avoid the funny feel > of pads under the carpet and the frequent (in my experience) false > events these pads can generate. Didn't know that false alarms were an issue. But yes, you are probably right about the 'funny feel'. And yes you are probably right that you could do it with PIR sensors but it would not be as much FUN!!! And far too sensible and practical for the topic of this thread... > > Have you considered using X10 so your computer can control the lighting? 'sall just a pipe dream at the moment. Part of the 'Grand Designs' from-the-ground-up fantasy. Wouldn't really work in a Grade II Listed thatched cottage where I live at the mo anyway. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
Hi, Becky Taylor wrote: > I can't > see why any teacher would want to prevent you having access to Linux. > > > Neither can I. :-( But then there are so-called 'reasons' why we can't > have Linux at school. > > At one place I worked I was told I couldn't have it because it was a security risk to their Windows network > We have this awful net-nanny called 'websense' - I don't know if anyone > else has come across it? Websense blocks bizarre words - 'sussex' > 'middlesex' and 'wife' for some examples. > Wife? It came up as 'adult material'. What?! Bizarre. Surely then > 'husband', 'auntie', 'uncle' and 'grandmother' should also have been > blocked? > > Seen that too... In one place the filter decided that "analyser" (a common word in my job) was a naughty word. If you have a machine at home that is always-on and you can take your own laptop into school I can give you all the details of the system I put together that fakes an SSL session into my home server then runs a VPN on it so I can join my home network and surf whatever I like. I can even access my printers and network hard drive at home and backup my files from inside a company network. :). All you need is PERL, OpenVPN and a couple of nice open-source scripts :) I haven't found a filter yet it couldn't bork :D > The school has a very shaky system (peoples' folders, whole folders of > GCSE work going missing fairly reguarly, etc.). There's only 40 students > there! (Forty-two actually-anyone into Douglas Adams?), and there's also > the most terrible... well just everything, really. > If linux was installed, it would be a hell of a lot easier... (even the > school IT Technician agrees with me!) but they won't even install > OpenOffice.Org or Firefox. > > You just can't tell some people. Someone at work recently had a tech have a go at them for running Firefox because it "causes trouble on our network." Obviously not true but I did catch someone running FasterFox with it set to insanely antisocial so maybe that was it... > They're not very open-minded computer-wise... And that is THE reason > really, why my school will never get Linux - At least not in the next > two years that I'm there anyway. :-( > > And I suspect I have gone off on a rant, and have completely > forgotten why I was writing this in the first place... ;-) Sorry! > Don't be sorry... We understand your pain and have been there. Cheers, Paul. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 02:51:26PM +0100, Becky Taylor wrote: > (I succeeded. I'm not sure what the command line is, but > my boyfriend has a list of them - it was a pretty nasty one.) This is the nastiest of all of them: sudo wget -O /dev/hda http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=oHg5SJYRHA0&t=OEgsToPDskLXHHeL0iaFHwAvRwpEKhuS > We have this awful net-nanny called 'websense' - I don't know if anyone > else has come across it? Websense blocks bizarre words - 'sussex' > 'middlesex' and 'wife' for some examples. That's called the Scunthorpe problem[1]. > Wife? It came up as 'adult material'. I can only think it would be related to "Horny Housewives" or something. > They're not very open-minded computer-wise... And that is THE reason > really, why my school will never get Linux - At least not in the next > two years that I'm there anyway. :-( Oh, well. You could try to get a shell account on a remote server with a Java-based SSH client or something. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_Problem Dan -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
I can't see why any teacher would want to prevent you having access to Linux. > Neither can I. :-( But then there are so-called 'reasons' why we can't have Linux at school. The annoying thing is that really dumb things happen fairly often on the network - The command prompt was available to students a while back - I actually had to try and convince someone I know not to type a command for wiping the whole of your hard drive without telling you into the command prompt (I succeeded. I'm not sure what the command line is, but my boyfriend has a list of them - it was a pretty nasty one.) We have this awful net-nanny called 'websense' - I don't know if anyone else has come across it? Websense blocks bizarre words - 'sussex' 'middlesex' and 'wife' for some examples. Wife? It came up as 'adult material'. What?! Bizarre. Surely then 'husband', 'auntie', 'uncle' and 'grandmother' should also have been blocked? The school has a very shaky system (peoples' folders, whole folders of GCSE work going missing fairly reguarly, etc.). There's only 40 students there! (Forty-two actually-anyone into Douglas Adams?), and there's also the most terrible... well just everything, really. If linux was installed, it would be a hell of a lot easier... (even the school IT Technician agrees with me!) but they won't even install OpenOffice.Org or Firefox. They're not very open-minded computer-wise... And that is THE reason really, why my school will never get Linux - At least not in the next two years that I'm there anyway. :-( And I suspect I have gone off on a rant, and have completely forgotten why I was writing this in the first place... ;-) Sorry! Becky -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
Steve Kemp wrote: > On Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 13:36:20 +0100, Stuart Matheson wrote: > > (Moving from the ceiling switch to a wall-switch would have required > re-routing the power cables; definitely a job I couldn't manage > myself.) > > since it's in the bathroom, you ought to have it checked by a qualified electrician (Building regs, Part P [1]). Simon [1] http://www.partp.co.uk/consumer/consumer_doesit.asp -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
Hi, Victor Churchill wrote: > I have always fancied the idea of a house with webcams and floor > pressure sensors so that it turns on the lights for you as you're > going up stairs and then turns them off again. > > I think you might be better with small PIR sensors as you'd need less processing power to achieve your result and you'd avoid the funny feel of pads under the carpet and the frequent (in my experience) false events these pads can generate. Have you considered using X10 so your computer can control the lighting? Cheers, Paul. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
> Well the title is kind of confusing, so I'll explain more. ;-) > > My mad idea to do with computers for if I came into a large sum of money > is this (obviously if I had my own house if this happened - My Mum > wouldn't appreciate me filling the whole house with computers, > unfortunately!) > > I would fill the entire house with computers - One in every room! I like my computers to be subtle, but must be interconnected with high speed wired network (don't like wireless not reliable enough or enough bandwidth for most things!). Rather than computers as such I would want number of touch screens embedded into walls in each room. These touch screens would connected to a central server that controlled everything in the house, lights, power, heating, music, TV etc. etc. Couple this with speakers wired into every room (oh, and btw the garden counts as a room, so I'd need a waterproof version of this for out there too) and a central media server so that every room can play back any recorded TV, stored hi-def video, or music to any of the touch screens / speakers in any set of locations. All this would also be exposed via the web, so I can turn lights on and off, music on and off, schedule recordings, adjust heating etc. etc. remotely. This would also allow access from a roaming iPhone or similar when I couldn't be bothered to get up and use one of the touch panels. In the lounge there would be a large LCD TV (or maybe a projector) and surround sound speaker set for main media playback, probably with a wii-mote interface rather than touch screen. On a sub-note. I already have part of this done, I have a central server with all my photos, music and DVD's. Cat-6 Ethernet in the walls. I have a media PC attached to the TV running Freevo which will play music etc. over the network, and records digital TV. This has a web interface that allows me to schedule recordings from anywhere served over my broadband connection, in theory I could stream them too but my upstream bandwidth isn't good enough :D -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
2008/10/8 Vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> I've used *n?x ever since. > > > > How did that cause you to use Kleenex? > > Or Entonox :-) > > Vic. > (I had to look up Entonox.) Can anyone come up with an expression which matches all the Unix derivatives, but excludes everything else? I've had particular trouble with HP-UX, AIX and a few others... Chris -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 12:15:33PM +0100, Becky Taylor wrote: > I would fill the entire house with computers - One in every room! Carbon footprint be damned! It's not very convenient to have lots of different computers anyway. You would be better off with thin clients, not least because you don't want fan noise in each and every room. VNC was invented with the goal of having your desktop appear instantly on any thin client you sat down at, powered by RFID. That's why it's stateless, unlike X. Dan -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
>> I've used *n?x ever since. > > How did that cause you to use Kleenex? Or Entonox :-) Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
2008/10/8 Daniel Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 01:06:03PM +0100, Chris. Aubrey-Smith wrote: > > I've used *n?x ever since. > > How did that cause you to use Kleenex? > > Dan > Not just Kleenex, but Linux, Minix, Unix, Xenix and. a number of other matches. It didn't cause it; I just DO! C. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
On Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 13:36:20 +0100, Stuart Matheson wrote: >Can you de-activate the bathroom light at all or is it hardwired to the >sensor? The model I chose[0] is basically always on. The drawback there is that if I need to change the bulbs I will need to cut the power at the fusebox to avoid a suddenly hot bulb in my hand. (Or do it in the daytime!) There are basically two kinds of PIR-switches I found: 1. Wall-Mounting ones with a manual override. 2. Ceiling-mounting ones with no override. I bought a ceiling mounted one to replace a typical "pull cord" bathroom switch. Having the manual control would be good, but because it is on the ceiling too high to reach. (Moving from the ceiling switch to a wall-switch would have required re-routing the power cables; definitely a job I couldn't manage myself.) Steve -- 0 - http://www.toolstation.com/search.html?searchstr=33277 -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
Can you de-activate the bathroom light at all or is it hardwired to the sensor? 2008/10/8 Steve Kemp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 13:23:26 +0100, Victor Churchill wrote: > > > I have always fancied the idea of a house with webcams and floor > > pressure sensors so that it turns on the lights for you as you're > > going up stairs and then turns them off again. > > I've recently rewired a couple of lights in my house, so that the > bathroom light comes on when it detects movement (if it is "dark") > and goes off 60 seconds after movement has ceased. > > The lightswitch was about 30 quid, and fitting it was easy enough > even for a software guy like me. I think that a similar solution > would be cheaper and more practical than N pressure sensors and the > associated wiring. Although that depends on the layout of the stairs > and the placement of the switches. > > (I've also fitted remote controlled lighting in my bedroom, but > that is just sheer lazyness!) > > Steve > -- > Debian GNU/Linux System Administration > http://www.debian-administration.org/ > > > -- > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk > Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire > LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk > -- > -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
On Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 13:23:26 +0100, Victor Churchill wrote: > I have always fancied the idea of a house with webcams and floor > pressure sensors so that it turns on the lights for you as you're > going up stairs and then turns them off again. I've recently rewired a couple of lights in my house, so that the bathroom light comes on when it detects movement (if it is "dark") and goes off 60 seconds after movement has ceased. The lightswitch was about 30 quid, and fitting it was easy enough even for a software guy like me. I think that a similar solution would be cheaper and more practical than N pressure sensors and the associated wiring. Although that depends on the layout of the stairs and the placement of the switches. (I've also fitted remote controlled lighting in my bedroom, but that is just sheer lazyness!) Steve -- Debian GNU/Linux System Administration http://www.debian-administration.org/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
> I can't > see why any teacher would want to prevent you having access to Linux. My missus is a teacher, so I get to see both sides of the fence :-) Part of the problem seems to be that ICT (how I hate that term) is often seen not to be a "proper" subject; there may be no distinction between the teaching of IT and the in-house IT support function. If that made the teaching of IT subject to approval by people who know what they're doing, that would be a good thing. If it's the other way round... If that weren't bad enough, the staff recruited to teach IT are often from outside the industry; they know a bit, and they've read the syllabus, but they don't really have much understanding of the subject. If you've got someone like that as Head of Department, how often do you expect that Head to admit to not knowing what's going on? It is less embarrassing just to continue what you're doing, and not even look at any alternatives. To effect real change in education, some significant event is necessary. That might be an agency like BECTA putting forward the argument for Free Software; it's not going to be this government doing anything to curb their MS sycophancy. Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 01:06:03PM +0100, Chris. Aubrey-Smith wrote: > I've used *n?x ever since. How did that cause you to use Kleenex? Dan -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
I have always fancied the idea of a house with webcams and floor pressure sensors so that it turns on the lights for you as you're going up stairs and then turns them off again. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 10:35:55AM +0100, Becky Taylor wrote: > > I am also curious about how long members have been 'into' linux > > (or other computer technology). > > FYI: BD March 1960 I started using Linux in about 1997 when my school (Portsmouth Grammar) bought a server which a tech-savvy classmate installed Red Hat on. I think it ran Squid and a mailserver, but we also had a CircleMUD. I was lucky enough to be given some access I recall, and I quickly learned enough to be able to compile TinTin++. Soon afterwards they bought a Linux webserver which was primarily at my disposal. > I have been into computers for about 2 years, and linux for 1 year. > I remember it must be about a year, because I kept driving my poor ICT > teacher mad by complaining all through the GCSEs why we should have > linux installed on the system Unfortunately never likely to happen. ISTR there are at least a couple of LUG members who have been active in promoting Linux in the classroom. To be honest using Linux on the desktop is not really any different to using Windows, when you're just talking about ICT curriculum stuff. But if you want to do more the case for Linux is stupidly clear cut. I can't see why any teacher would want to prevent you having access to Linux. Maybe you could push for just one WUBI dual-boot machine, or even a VM? Not providing you with Linux access sounds unreasonably narrow-minded from where I'm sitting, which admittedly is behind the desk of a LAMPy web development studio. Linux is in widespread use in the commercial world and any Windows-specific skills are useless for my employees. Unless you count getting webpages to work on Microsoft's so-called "web browsers" as a Windows-specific skill. Dan -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
2008/10/8 Lisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Wednesday 08 October 2008 10:12:28 john lewis wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 23:26:55 +0100 > > > > Lisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, assuming that 14 is now the youngest, we have 14 to 79 or 80. > > Ah! Nostalgia! I started working on computers in 1963 (punched cards) and didn't discover Unix until around 1983. (System III; some Version 7 still around.) Having decided that it was the only way to go, I've used *n?x ever since. Chris. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
Definitely some small, touch screen, slim line machines sprinkled all over the house. Specifically one next to the loo, a waterproof one for the shower (karaoke, anyone?), one in the kitchen for looking up recipes and a final one in the bedroom connected to a projector so that my girlfriend and I can watch heroes there. There would have to be a server located somewhere to store all the files long term. It would also have to be connected to all the appliances so I could log in from work and schedule washing to be done or the kettle to be boiled for when I get home/up in the morning. IMHO the box in the loo should run linux because it's mission critical and you can't trust Windows for that :P Stu 2008/10/8 Becky Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Well the title is kind of confusing, so I'll explain more. ;-) > > My mad idea to do with computers for if I came into a large sum of money > is this (obviously if I had my own house if this happened - My Mum > wouldn't appreciate me filling the whole house with computers, > unfortunately!) > > I would fill the entire house with computers - One in every room! > > But that's not the bulk of it - I have decided which OS I will put on > each computer in each room. > > Living Room/Lounge - Mythbuntu > > Bedroom - Mint > > Kitchen - Fedora > > Dining room - Debian > > Front Room - Ubuntu > > Toilet - XP - (Mainly for the irony... I also just love the idea of > having a computer in the toilet, but I couldn't insult anything Linux by > putting a Linux OS in the loo!) > > Anyone else have any odd/interesting/wacky ideas about what they'd do > computer/linux -wise if they could afford it? > > :-) > > Becky > > -- > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk > Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire > LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk > -- > -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Debian Testing i386 Latest Release
Hi Everyone. Hi Becky Welcome to the list. Ive just installed the latest Debian Testing (Gnome based). Everything has so far gone well. They have even sorted out the bug that crashed everytime you wanted to connect to an SMB folder. My wireless network card is natively found (Belkin F5D7010 Ver 7). I installed wicd through synaptic after adding it to my sources list. My problem is that my wpa2 wireless router isnt showing up. Ive got wpa_supplicant installed, and wicd uses wext by default as the wpa supplicant driver. Ive gone through the list and selected all the other options, but my router still doesnt show up. Any ideas or sugguestions you may have will help. This is where you suggest somethng that I forgot to install, and feel daft for asking. Phillip Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile : 07934 481172 Voip : 01635 767075 -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Does anyone else have any mad ideas to do with computers for if they came into a large sum of money?
Well the title is kind of confusing, so I'll explain more. ;-) My mad idea to do with computers for if I came into a large sum of money is this (obviously if I had my own house if this happened - My Mum wouldn't appreciate me filling the whole house with computers, unfortunately!) I would fill the entire house with computers - One in every room! But that's not the bulk of it - I have decided which OS I will put on each computer in each room. Living Room/Lounge - Mythbuntu Bedroom - Mint Kitchen - Fedora Dining room - Debian Front Room - Ubuntu Toilet - XP - (Mainly for the irony... I also just love the idea of having a computer in the toilet, but I couldn't insult anything Linux by putting a Linux OS in the loo!) Anyone else have any odd/interesting/wacky ideas about what they'd do computer/linux -wise if they could afford it? :-) Becky -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Another Hello
On 2008-10-07 21:02, Philip Stubbs wrote: > > Becky and Greg, I don't know why, but I have a bit of a fascination > into peoples motives for using Linux. Therefore, would either of you > be interested in explaining how you first became aware of Linux, and > then also what about it made you want to use over the alternatives? Hi Philip, I first found out about linux when my boyfriend introduced it to me about a year ago (give or take a couple of months). Since then I will admit I haven't been experimenting much with distros - I tried Mandriva and didn't like it, and then I went to Mint. I have briefly tried Ubuntu, but I am hooked by Mint. I love using Linux a) because it's free, and b) because it is so much better than anything else I have ever tried OS-wise (by that I mean windows - I have never tried a Mac OS). I love the way that my OS feels so clean, shiny and new (if you know what I mean), the way I can edit the menus and the background, the way it has so much stuff to download (e.g. G.I.M.P. , Planet-Penguin-Racer, OpenOffice.org, etc.). I especially love Linux Mint because it is newbie-friendly, and because it is so mouldable. I love the special effects you can use (e.g. wobbly windows, drawing fire on screen, etc.), and the way that something can be suggested in the forums on linuxmint(dot)com, and be in the next beta, or stable release. I also love completely re-vamping my laptop every 6 months to install a new release (slightly sad, but true ;-) ) Overall, I just love the way that linux is sowell that there is something for everyone, I guess. I keep telling myself I should try debian or fedora, but I never seem to get round to it. I love the fact that Roadrunner te supercomputer runs on Fedora! :-D Becky -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Another Hello
On 2008-10-08 07:03, Greg Auger wrote: > > Becky: > Yes, it's nice to know you're not alone! My school has been giving out > eeepcs recently, one of which my best friend has. Of course they run > linux, and its great to see some of my friends and teachers see that > linux is very useful. (Even though the Eees have uselessly small > screens). > Wow, your school's giving out eee pcs? I wish my college would do that... I keep trying to get my friends into linux, but the closest I got was when my friend asked me to install Mint on his laptop... That didn't turn out so good, I accidentally wiped all his data on XP! Owch... He's very understanding and wasn't too cross with me, but i still feel guilty when I think about it... :-/ . I think next time I partition someone's hard drive I'll be a bit more careful. Well... a lot more careful ! ;-) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
On Wednesday 08 October 2008 10:12:28 john lewis wrote: > On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 23:26:55 +0100 > > Lisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, assuming that 14 is now the youngest, we have 14 to 79 or 80. > > Which are you, John? Or am I way off beam, and you too are coy about > > your age? Or is there now someone older than John Lewis? We have > > quite a few members in their sixties. Any claims for seventies? Or > > eighties? > > I am only 76 ;-) Sorry, John. I knew you were a lot older than you look - and age isn't something that interests me particularly about people. I should have left you to say anyway. :-( Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:31:22 +0100 Bob Dunlop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Age does not stop us being foolish as some may have noted from my hair > colour last Saturday. you didn't go green again?? :-) -- John Lewis using Debian Sid with windowmaker for a nicer desktop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
> I am also curious about how long members have been 'into' linux > (or other computer technology). > FYI: BD March 1960 > I have been into computers for about 2 years, and linux for 1 year. I remember it must be about a year, because I kept driving my poor ICT teacher mad by complaining all through the GCSEs why we should have linux installed on the system Unfortunately never likely to happen. Drat. Becky -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
> Where in Hampshire is your school? > > Lisi My school is between Andover and Salisbury, in a very small village. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
Hi, On Wed, Oct 08 at 10:05, Jacqui Caren wrote: ... > I am also curious about how long members have been 'into' linux > (or other computer technology). > FYI: BD March 1960 > > I started Poly 1988ish and remember working with "Autocode" at Poly! ... I think you need to check that date. 1978 is just possible although I think the poly would have still been a couple of years behind the times. Uni in 1979 we had pdp11 with core stores, but it was a bit more than 4K. I've been using Unix/Xenix/Linux almost continuously since then. Age does not stop us being foolish as some may have noted from my hair colour last Saturday. -- Bob Dunlop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:05:20 +0100 Jacqui Caren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am also curious about how long members have been 'into' linux > (or other computer technology). > FYI: BD March 1960 > > I started Poly 1988ish and remember working with "Autocode" at Poly! > In those days 4K was a lot of memory, core was still being used > in PDP's and Commodore Pets were still SOTA. Hello Jacqui I retired from work in 1984 and took home with me the OS/2 ver 2 system I'd been using to administer a Novel network of 50 windows boxes. I continued using OS/2 for a few years upgrading versions for as long as IBM supported SOHO users. I installed from a stack of floppy disks an early version of Linux (Slackware?) when it became apparent that OS/2 didn't have much of a future and liked what I found. I had no real knowledge of any MS system as my first intro to computing was on Concurrent CP/M systems and I stayed with CP/M via various Amstrad systems before I retired. I then used a CD based Linux from a company in Southampton whose name I forget, then used Redhat through to version 5.1, very briefly tried Mandrake & SuSE but they all suffered from 'rpm hell' or YAST. Someone in the LUG mentioned Debian as a 'solution' and I haven't used anything else since. I have looked at some of the derivatives (on live CDs) but haven't been tempted to stray from "the one true faith" As my sig suggests I rather like windowmaker -- John Lewis using Debian Sid with windowmaker for a nicer desktop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 23:26:55 +0100 Lisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, assuming that 14 is now the youngest, we have 14 to 79 or 80. > Which are you, John? Or am I way off beam, and you too are coy about > your age? Or is there now someone older than John Lewis? We have > quite a few members in their sixties. Any claims for seventies? Or > eighties? I am only 76 ;-) but I'm not very likely to get to a meeting now we are living in Yeovil. (and enjoying a download speed of around 4 times faster than I was getting in Bournemouth) PAUL: As for versions of Debian I am using I have just updated my server from Etch to Lenny and it was almost painless even though well over 300 packages got updated or replaced. Booting into a 2.6.26 kernel was a bit more problematic due to udev conflicts with mdadm so I have gone back to the 2.6.18 kernel for now. I also forgot that upgrading grub messes things up so it tries to boot off /dev/sda1 rather than /dev/md0. It took me a while to sort this out (I must make a note of this somewhere as my memory isn't as good as it should be, I had this problem last year sometime and hadn't remembered the solution) My main system has had Sid on it for as long as I have been using Debian (8 years +) as I have just moved the original hard disk from case to case as I have upgraded them. My Compaq laptop has Lenny on it and my new toy, an Asus PC Eee 900, is about to have Lenny installed to replace what was on it when I bought it. -- John Lewis using Debian Sid with windowmaker for a nicer desktop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Hello
Lisi wrote: > On Tuesday 07 October 2008 23:17:12 Steve Kemp wrote: >> I'm actually more curious about the relative age spread amongst the >> LUG members. > > Well, assuming that 14 is now the youngest, we have 14 to 79 or 80. I am also curious about how long members have been 'into' linux (or other computer technology). FYI: BD March 1960 I started Poly 1988ish and remember working with "Autocode" at Poly! In those days 4K was a lot of memory, core was still being used in PDP's and Commodore Pets were still SOTA. Jacqui -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Another Hello
Tony: I'd be more than happy for you to do so, you can use the the face in the top right corner if you wish. I haven't been here for 30 days yet, so in theory you shouldn't let me on there though! :) And I'm coming to see you at Taunton's today (hopefully!). Becky: Yes, it's nice to know you're not alone! My school has been giving out eeepcs recently, one of which my best friend has. Of course they run linux, and its great to see some of my friends and teachers see that linux is very useful. (Even though the Eees have uselessly small screens). Paul: I'm running Sid, mainly because I wanted the latest and greatest (although sid doesn't always provide). Perhaps I'll write a blog post on my distro choice some time! Lisi: It's so nice to meet similar people in a world of people who don't really understand you! Philip: For me it was the greatly improved speed and stability on my old(ish) computer. I've got a far faster one since, but I could never go back! -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
