[H] Bing Maps..

2010-05-01 Thread CW
Has anyone played with the new one?  Holy cow..

http://bing.com/maps/explore/

(requires silverlight) but jeez.. outside of insanely fluid, the modes to show 
different shots of locals from their db vs. flickr geotagged vs. time stamped 
and relative.. outside of minute-by-minute starmaps visibile from location.. 

Pretty wild stuff.


Re: [H] Win7 Ent 32-bit vs 64-bit?

2010-05-01 Thread maccrawj
Not as long as your BIOS has a hardware address space remap option that moves it 
above the installed memory. Without BIOS support to remap your assertion would be true.


I have an Asus Rampage, X48 chipset which does this. I have also seen older 64bit 
laptops that DO NOT have the BIOS option (Toshiba for one) AND are brain dead wired 
for no more than 4GB installed thus 3.25GB total, lose lose.


Another example is my Asus 1201N netbook which is Atom n330 dual core 64bit yet can't 
address more than 4GB. Why I am not exactly sure except I hear it shows up in BIOS 
but Vist/Win7 x64 listed as hardware reserved and unusable. Likely a BIOS support 
issue though people argue it's a chipset limitation imposed by Intel.



On 4/30/2010 1:49 PM, Bino Gopal wrote:
snip

So doesn't that imply that based on the fact that I only have 4GB, I'll still 
be short some memory, unlike what some others said?  Or to put it another way, 
like Gary said, what will the devices map into since they can't map to thin air 
(and apparently they still need to map).

snip


Re: [H] Win7 Ent 32-bit vs 64-bit?

2010-05-01 Thread maccrawj
Not a bug, that's the Microsoft artificial memory map limit on 32bit OS to 
(ostensibly) prevent driver issues caused by brain dead drivers writing to 64bit 
addresses as if they were 32bit which is also why x64 is so draconian about signed 
drivers! In other words despite PAE MS prevents working outside 32bit/4GB memory 
space on32bit OS. This was the subject of much discussion a few months ago here and 
someone posted a link to the conspiracy guy who outed M$' secret agenda, LOL.


Now assuming x64 hardware, switch to a x64 OS (caveat The BIOS must support the 
memory remapping feature) to get 4GB+ addressable w/ device memory mapped above that.


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605

On 4/30/2010 3:35 PM, Bryan Seitz wrote:

Yeah I've seen that bug too, even with /PAE etc still doesn't fix it.
You should upgrade to Win7-64 :)

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 06:32:30PM -0400, Jason Carson wrote:

I have 6 GB of RAM and a GeForce 295 with 1.7 GB of memory but am running
WinXP 32 bit and my system only shows that I have 2.49 GB of RAM.


Well, it does sort of sound like that.  I have Win 7 ultimate with 6GB
RAM.
When I right-click on My Computer and select properties, it says I have
6.0GB.  On my work machine (4GB RAM) with XP and 2 graphic cards, it says
I
have about 2.89GB RAM.



Re: [H] Win2K, MBAM, HDD flag

2010-05-01 Thread maccrawj
Sounds like mean the dirty bit that forces autochk to run chkdsk on boot but that's 
not related to anything antivirus wise.


If you're BSODing even in safemode after any AV repair, then it's likely because now 
a system file is corrupted and needs to be replaced with a good copy. You could try 
boot logging mode to track down the file. Hopefully you've long since disabled the 
auto-reboot on crash option or it could be tricky to read the BSOD info.




On 4/28/2010 5:53 AM, Joe User wrote:

Hello,

Does anyone know where Win2K Pro SP4 UR1 flags a drive for a scan? Not
sure that's what I need but it's a start. Did a MBAM scan and it
needed to reboot to remove the infection it found. Now it's BSOD'ing
on start up in regular or safe mode. I need to clear this so I can log
back on. Google isn't helping me, yet.



Re: [H] Bing Maps..

2010-05-01 Thread maccrawj
Could be greatest thing since sliced bread but that's not going to get SilverLight on 
any of my boxes! Hell I'm still battling fraking M$ adding their other dren to 
Firefox without warning.


On 4/30/2010 11:16 PM, CW wrote:

Has anyone played with the new one?  Holy cow..

http://bing.com/maps/explore/

(requires silverlight) but jeez.. outside of insanely fluid, the modes to show 
different shots of locals from their db vs. flickr geotagged vs. time stamped 
and relative.. outside of minute-by-minute starmaps visibile from location..

Pretty wild stuff.



Re: [H] Bing Maps..

2010-05-01 Thread Greg Sevart
I'm personally not a huge fan of either Flash or Silverlight technologies, but 
I feel a lot more comfortable with SL than Flash on my managed systems...

Adobe products, especially Flash and Acrobat/Reader, have become 
extraordinarily common attack vectors. I think that's attributable to both a 
poor or broken software security methodology and lack of a good centralized 
patch management system without bolting on another product.

The SL maps really are quite impressive. Kinda steals some thunder out of 
Channel 9's video showing the Direct2D GPU-rendered IE9 navigating through Bing 
Maps.

 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
 boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj
 Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 2:50 AM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] Bing Maps..
 
 Could be greatest thing since sliced bread but that's not going to get
 SilverLight on any of my boxes! Hell I'm still battling fraking M$ adding 
 their
 other dren to Firefox without warning.
 
 On 4/30/2010 11:16 PM, CW wrote:
  Has anyone played with the new one?  Holy cow..
 
  http://bing.com/maps/explore/
 
  (requires silverlight) but jeez.. outside of insanely fluid, the modes to 
  show
 different shots of locals from their db vs. flickr geotagged vs. time stamped
 and relative.. outside of minute-by-minute starmaps visibile from location..
 
  Pretty wild stuff.
 




Re: [H] Win7 Ent 32-bit vs 64-bit?

2010-05-01 Thread Bryan Seitz
Well no, I've seen systems with 4G of memory show:

2.5G
2.8G
3.5G

with /PAE 

:)

On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 12:30:54AM -0700, maccrawj wrote:
 Not a bug, that's the Microsoft artificial memory map limit on 32bit OS to 
 (ostensibly) prevent driver issues caused by brain dead drivers writing to 
 64bit 
 addresses as if they were 32bit which is also why x64 is so draconian about 
 signed 
 drivers! In other words despite PAE MS prevents working outside 32bit/4GB 
 memory 
 space on32bit OS. This was the subject of much discussion a few months ago 
 here and 
 someone posted a link to the conspiracy guy who outed M$' secret agenda, 
 LOL.
 
 Now assuming x64 hardware, switch to a x64 OS (caveat The BIOS must support 
 the 
 memory remapping feature) to get 4GB+ addressable w/ device memory mapped 
 above that.
 
 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605
 
 On 4/30/2010 3:35 PM, Bryan Seitz wrote:
  Yeah I've seen that bug too, even with /PAE etc still doesn't fix it.
  You should upgrade to Win7-64 :)
 
  On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 06:32:30PM -0400, Jason Carson wrote:
  I have 6 GB of RAM and a GeForce 295 with 1.7 GB of memory but am running
  WinXP 32 bit and my system only shows that I have 2.49 GB of RAM.
 
  Well, it does sort of sound like that.  I have Win 7 ultimate with 6GB
  RAM.
  When I right-click on My Computer and select properties, it says I have
  6.0GB.  On my work machine (4GB RAM) with XP and 2 graphic cards, it says
  I
  have about 2.89GB RAM.
 

-- 
 
Bryan G. Seitz


Re: [H] Bing Maps..

2010-05-01 Thread Bryan Seitz
I actually like Silverlight (netflix uses it) and Bing... very scary that I 
like them.

On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 12:49:53AM -0700, maccrawj wrote:
 Could be greatest thing since sliced bread but that's not going to get 
 SilverLight on 
 any of my boxes! Hell I'm still battling fraking M$ adding their other dren 
 to 
 Firefox without warning.
 
 On 4/30/2010 11:16 PM, CW wrote:
  Has anyone played with the new one?  Holy cow..
 
  http://bing.com/maps/explore/
 
  (requires silverlight) but jeez.. outside of insanely fluid, the modes to 
  show different shots of locals from their db vs. flickr geotagged vs. time 
  stamped and relative.. outside of minute-by-minute starmaps visibile from 
  location..
 
  Pretty wild stuff.
 

-- 
 
Bryan G. Seitz


Re: [H] Bing Maps..

2010-05-01 Thread CW
I've kind of come to the same conclusion.  The Adobe Flash plugin for Firefox 
was the bane of my existance.. with it in, memory leak in Firefox was insane, 
I'd get up to 500Mb in the task manager (and over) for a firefox instance in a 
few hours.   Pulled it out, and Firefox went back to reasonable.  

The silverlight plugin thing doesn't seem to have an issue that I can find that 
way.  And, to be honest, it actually just works the way I expect it to.  I 
don't really ask a lot of a thing like silverlight except: don't screw up.  
Watched the NCAA's on ESPN (silverlight) and I use Netflix in mediacenter.. 
both like a charm.  And since they are coming out with 720p/5.1 audio 
Silverlight from Netflix this summer...

Somewhere along the line, Adobe just completely screwed their product, they 
either didn't grow it, didn't do something.. because right now, the flash 
plugin just sucks.  Meanwhile, Silverlight freaking can use video cards for 
hardware acceleration (DXVA) so CPU usage is less, memory usage is less..  
Hell, MS even went out and helps with a Linux/Unix version (Moonlight) that 
they work with.. Adobe? Yeah, not so much. ( 
http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/prerelease.aspx )   

Sometimes MS is an easy target to bash.. a bit too easy.  So, when they 
actually get something right, it either gets overlooked, or it has to be enough 
of a dead-on that adoption happens (win7).  

I've ripped Flash off of several PCs and just went Silverlight.  So far, I 
haven't found a site I care about I don't see in either H264 or Silverlight.


-Original message-
From: Greg Sevart ad...@xfury.net
Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 04:09:57 -0700
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Bing Maps..

 I'm personally not a huge fan of either Flash or Silverlight technologies, 
 but I feel a lot more comfortable with SL than Flash on my managed systems...
 
 Adobe products, especially Flash and Acrobat/Reader, have become 
 extraordinarily common attack vectors. I think that's attributable to both a 
 poor or broken software security methodology and lack of a good centralized 
 patch management system without bolting on another product.
 
 The SL maps really are quite impressive. Kinda steals some thunder out of 
 Channel 9's video showing the Direct2D GPU-rendered IE9 navigating through 
 Bing Maps.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
  boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj
  Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 2:50 AM
  To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
  Subject: Re: [H] Bing Maps..
  
  Could be greatest thing since sliced bread but that's not going to get
  SilverLight on any of my boxes! Hell I'm still battling fraking M$ adding 
  their
  other dren to Firefox without warning.
  
  On 4/30/2010 11:16 PM, CW wrote:
   Has anyone played with the new one?  Holy cow..
  
   http://bing.com/maps/explore/
  
   (requires silverlight) but jeez.. outside of insanely fluid, the modes to 
   show
  different shots of locals from their db vs. flickr geotagged vs. time 
  stamped
  and relative.. outside of minute-by-minute starmaps visibile from location..
  
   Pretty wild stuff.
  
 
 
 


Re: [H] Win7 Ent 32-bit vs 64-bit?

2010-05-01 Thread maccrawj

Sorry, your point/counterpoint is? Think I'm missing something here.


On 5/1/2010 7:28 AM, Bryan Seitz wrote:

Well no, I've seen systems with 4G of memory show:

2.5G
2.8G
3.5G

with /PAE

:)

On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 12:30:54AM -0700, maccrawj wrote:

Not a bug, that's the Microsoft artificial memory map limit on 32bit OS to
(ostensibly) prevent driver issues caused by brain dead drivers writing to 64bit
addresses as if they were 32bit which is also why x64 is so draconian about 
signed
drivers! In other words despite PAE MS prevents working outside 32bit/4GB memory
space on32bit OS. This was the subject of much discussion a few months ago here 
and
someone posted a link to the conspiracy guy who outed M$' secret agenda, LOL.

Now assuming x64 hardware, switch to a x64 OS (caveat The BIOS must support the
memory remapping feature) to get 4GB+ addressable w/ device memory mapped 
above that.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605

On 4/30/2010 3:35 PM, Bryan Seitz wrote:

Yeah I've seen that bug too, even with /PAE etc still doesn't fix it.
You should upgrade to Win7-64 :)

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 06:32:30PM -0400, Jason Carson wrote:

I have 6 GB of RAM and a GeForce 295 with 1.7 GB of memory but am running
WinXP 32 bit and my system only shows that I have 2.49 GB of RAM.


Well, it does sort of sound like that.  I have Win 7 ultimate with 6GB
RAM.
When I right-click on My Computer and select properties, it says I have
6.0GB.  On my work machine (4GB RAM) with XP and 2 graphic cards, it says
I
have about 2.89GB RAM.





Re: [H] Bing Maps..

2010-05-01 Thread Scott Sipe
Ditto. I'm not a huge fan of the plain bing search, but the extras--like 
mapping--are fantastic.

Bing has a great iphone app too. Haven't used it a ton yet, but I think the 
bing map program beats the builtin maps app.

Scott

On May 1, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Bryan Seitz wrote:

 I actually like Silverlight (netflix uses it) and Bing... very scary that I 
 like them.
 
 On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 12:49:53AM -0700, maccrawj wrote:
 Could be greatest thing since sliced bread but that's not going to get 
 SilverLight on 
 any of my boxes! Hell I'm still battling fraking M$ adding their other dren 
 to 
 Firefox without warning.
 
 On 4/30/2010 11:16 PM, CW wrote:
 Has anyone played with the new one?  Holy cow..
 
 http://bing.com/maps/explore/
 
 (requires silverlight) but jeez.. outside of insanely fluid, the modes to 
 show different shots of locals from their db vs. flickr geotagged vs. time 
 stamped and relative.. outside of minute-by-minute starmaps visibile from 
 location..
 
 Pretty wild stuff.
 
 
 -- 
 
 Bryan G. Seitz



Re: [H] Win7 Ent 32-bit vs 64-bit?

2010-05-01 Thread CW
I'm not sure how this changes anything about the original post.  The reason for 
those figures is all based on how things like BIOS handles shadowing, higher 
memory registers, PCI-E segments (for the 2.5G) etc.  

The 3.5G can -show- but it's because of the way the memory controller works 
there.. which would make me think it's far more likely you saw that on either a 
server board or using an AMD chip, which has the memory controller onboard.

Some good explanation here:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/03/dude-wheres-my-4-gigabytes-of-ram.html


-Original message-
From: Bryan Seitz se...@bsd-unix.net
Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 06:28:26 -0700
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win7 Ent 32-bit vs 64-bit?

 Well no, I've seen systems with 4G of memory show:
 
 2.5G
 2.8G
 3.5G
 
 with /PAE 
 
 :)
 
 On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 12:30:54AM -0700, maccrawj wrote:
  Not a bug, that's the Microsoft artificial memory map limit on 32bit OS to 
  (ostensibly) prevent driver issues caused by brain dead drivers writing to 
  64bit 
  addresses as if they were 32bit which is also why x64 is so draconian about 
  signed 
  drivers! In other words despite PAE MS prevents working outside 32bit/4GB 
  memory 
  space on32bit OS. This was the subject of much discussion a few months ago 
  here and 
  someone posted a link to the conspiracy guy who outed M$' secret agenda, 
  LOL.
  
  Now assuming x64 hardware, switch to a x64 OS (caveat The BIOS must 
  support the 
  memory remapping feature) to get 4GB+ addressable w/ device memory mapped 
  above that.
  
  http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605
  
  On 4/30/2010 3:35 PM, Bryan Seitz wrote:
   Yeah I've seen that bug too, even with /PAE etc still doesn't fix it.
   You should upgrade to Win7-64 :)
  
   On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 06:32:30PM -0400, Jason Carson wrote:
   I have 6 GB of RAM and a GeForce 295 with 1.7 GB of memory but am running
   WinXP 32 bit and my system only shows that I have 2.49 GB of RAM.
  
   Well, it does sort of sound like that.  I have Win 7 ultimate with 6GB
   RAM.
   When I right-click on My Computer and select properties, it says I have
   6.0GB.  On my work machine (4GB RAM) with XP and 2 graphic cards, it 
   says
   I
   have about 2.89GB RAM.
  
 
 -- 
  
 Bryan G. Seitz


Re: [H] Win7 Ent 32-bit vs 64-bit?

2010-05-01 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
Look in the resource monitor...you can see exactly how your physical 
memory is used...


Mine:

Available 5325MB
Cached 3731MB
Total   8190MB
Installed 8192MB

Then it shows another catagory referred to as hardware reserved.  On 
my system this amount is 2MB.  Look at the difference between total and 
installed. 2MB.


There is further breakdown given but I'm too lazy to type all that...

But the fact is on a 64bit OS with the right CPU and chipset, you can 
essentially use all that ram...with some exceptions, obviously. But more 
physical RAM still means more available ram.



On 4/30/2010 4:49 PM, Bino Gopal wrote:

But from the MS article:



Note When the physical RAM that is installed on a computer equals the address 
space that is supported by the chipset, the total system memory that is 
available to the operating system is always less than the physical RAM that is 
installed. For example, consider a computer that has an Intel 975X chipset that 
supports 8 GB of address space. If you install 8 GB of RAM, the system memory 
that is available to the operating system will be reduced by the PCI 
configuration requirements. In this scenario, PCI configuration requirements 
reduce the memory that is available to the operating system by an amount that 
is between approximately 200 MB and approximately 1 GB. The reduction depends 
on the configuration.



So doesn't that imply that based on the fact that I only have 4GB, I'll still 
be short some memory, unlike what some others said?  Or to put it another way, 
like Gary said, what will the devices map into since they can't map to thin air 
(and apparently they still need to map).


And to put a further point on it, since the video card is a MMIO (memory-mapped 
I/O) device, I assume it'll take memory away from the max 4GB too.  So the 
moral of the story is that sure I can upgrade to 64-bit Win7, but if I don't 
put more than 4GB of memory in the system, I should end up with exactly the 
same amount of memory as with 32-bit Win7 right?!



Now, apps running faster is a whole 'nother reason and definitely worth doing 
it for that! ;)


BINO



   

From: bh...@sc.rr.com
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:32:12 -0400
Subject: Re: [H] Win7 Ent 32-bit vs 64-bit?

It maps into the address space of whatever the 64-bit address space is (8
terabytes or something like that). When you have a 32-bit OS, the address
space is only 4GB, the system maps in the hardware memory (BIOS, graphics
card RAM, etc.) space from the top of the address space down. That is why
you get between about 3-3.5GB of actual RAM when you have 4GB RAM on a
32-bit system. I know I'm not explaining this well, so take a look here:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/03/dude-wheres-my-4-gigabytes-of-ram.h
tml
and
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605

Bobby



-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Gary VanderMolen
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:09 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win7 Ent 32-bit vs 64-bit?

So what will they map into instead? As far as I know, the video has to map
into RAM,
regardless if the OS is 32-bit or 64-bit.

Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)


-Original Message-
From: Bobby Heid


IIRC, the BIOS and video RAM will not have to map into the 4GB address space
(in 64-bit). He will have the whole address space for RAM.



 

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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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02:27:00

   


Re: [H] Just a test

2010-05-01 Thread Jason Carson
I received your email.

I'll try disabling DKIM this weekend when I have time and see if that is
the problem.

 It looks like your mailserver is inserting a DKIM signature, and the
 listserv software is not stripping it and/or re-signing it as it should be
 if any of your evaluated headers have been modified. When you're getting
 the
 message back that is purportedly from you, that evaluation could be
 failing
 and your mailserver may be dropping the message.

 I'd try disabling DKIM and see what happens.

 Of course, you may not get this message either, since I also DKIM sign on
 my
 mailserver.

 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
 boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Jason Carson
 Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:17 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] Just a test

 Hmmm...

 I didn't receive the email I sent but you did.

 For some reason I am not receiving any of the emails I send to this list
 or
 another list I am on. Both are using different mailing lists software.

 Anyone have any idea why?


  Been a long while. Where've you been?
  Much has changed IMHO.
  Best,
  Duncan
 
 
  On 04/30/2010 21:06, Jason Carson wrote:
  Just testing. I sent an email to the list and someone responded to
  that email but I never received a copy of the email I sent.
 
 
 









[H] mount BRD

2010-05-01 Thread Winterlight

What do you use to mount a BRD iso file? thanks!



Re: [H] mount BRD

2010-05-01 Thread tmservo
Slysoft.  But why bother?
--Original Message--
From: Winterlight
Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] mount BRD
Sent: May 1, 2010 4:10 PM

What do you use to mount a BRD iso file? thanks!


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Re: [H] mount BRD

2010-05-01 Thread Winterlight


what do you mean? You can play it direct on something?

At 02:13 PM 5/1/2010, you wrote:

Slysoft.  But why bother?
--Original Message--
From: Winterlight
Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] mount BRD
Sent: May 1, 2010 4:10 PM

What do you use to mount a BRD iso file? thanks!


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Re: [H] mount BRD

2010-05-01 Thread tmservo
No, I'm just saying, how do you have a valid brd iso if you didn't use one in 
the beginning, and more then that.. Yes, tmt3 will. 
--Original Message--
From: Winterlight
Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] mount BRD
Sent: May 1, 2010 4:47 PM


what do you mean? You can play it direct on something?

At 02:13 PM 5/1/2010, you wrote:
Slysoft.  But why bother?
--Original Message--
From: Winterlight
Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] mount BRD
Sent: May 1, 2010 4:10 PM

What do you use to mount a BRD iso file? thanks!


Sent via BlackBerry


Sent via BlackBerry 


Re: [H] mount BRD

2010-05-01 Thread Gary
Ultra ISO

 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
 boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
 Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 4:11 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: [H] mount BRD
 
 What do you use to mount a BRD iso file? thanks!



Re: [H] Win7 Ent 32-bit vs 64-bit?

2010-05-01 Thread Bryan Seitz
Seems to be a bug or a chipset thing if it's different on different systems, 
all with 4G of ram.
Either way there's no reason to not use a 64 bit os in 2010.

On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 10:43:14AM -0700, maccrawj wrote:
 Sorry, your point/counterpoint is? Think I'm missing something here.
 
 
 On 5/1/2010 7:28 AM, Bryan Seitz wrote:
  Well no, I've seen systems with 4G of memory show:
 
  2.5G
  2.8G
  3.5G
 
  with /PAE
 
  :)
 
  On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 12:30:54AM -0700, maccrawj wrote:
  Not a bug, that's the Microsoft artificial memory map limit on 32bit OS to
  (ostensibly) prevent driver issues caused by brain dead drivers writing to 
  64bit
  addresses as if they were 32bit which is also why x64 is so draconian 
  about signed
  drivers! In other words despite PAE MS prevents working outside 32bit/4GB 
  memory
  space on32bit OS. This was the subject of much discussion a few months ago 
  here and
  someone posted a link to the conspiracy guy who outed M$' secret agenda, 
  LOL.
 
  Now assuming x64 hardware, switch to a x64 OS (caveat The BIOS must 
  support the
  memory remapping feature) to get 4GB+ addressable w/ device memory mapped 
  above that.
 
  http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605
 
  On 4/30/2010 3:35 PM, Bryan Seitz wrote:
  Yeah I've seen that bug too, even with /PAE etc still doesn't fix it.
  You should upgrade to Win7-64 :)
 
  On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 06:32:30PM -0400, Jason Carson wrote:
  I have 6 GB of RAM and a GeForce 295 with 1.7 GB of memory but am running
  WinXP 32 bit and my system only shows that I have 2.49 GB of RAM.
 
  Well, it does sort of sound like that.  I have Win 7 ultimate with 6GB
  RAM.
  When I right-click on My Computer and select properties, it says I have
  6.0GB.  On my work machine (4GB RAM) with XP and 2 graphic cards, it 
  says
  I
  have about 2.89GB RAM.
 
 

-- 
 
Bryan G. Seitz


Re: [H] Win7 Ent 32-bit vs 64-bit?

2010-05-01 Thread maccrawj
Good info in that link except the PDF for memory hole is very dated (2004) only 
hinting at what is now the norm:


Work is being done by the BIOS and/or chip manufacturers that will either remap 
physical memory or move device address space in order to eliminate the hole. This 
memory hole may be a thing of the past soon.


The MS link I posted I think covers it all including expectations  solutions:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605

Meanwhile KB929580 conflicts with KB929605 stated need for x64 OS:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929580

This problem occurs because the address space is limited to 4 GB in a 32-bit 
hardware environment. Memory may be relocated to make room for addresses that the 
basic input/output system (BIOS) reserves for hardware. However, because of this 
limitation, Windows Vista, Windows Server 2003, and Windows Server 2008 cannot access 
memory that is relocated above the 4 GB boundary.


*But then goes on to say*:

A 32-bit operating system can address memory that is relocated above the 4 GB 
boundary if the following conditions are true:


* The computer is in Physical Address Extension (PAE) mode.
* The computer has 4 GB of RAM.

In this case, the operating system correctly reports how much memory is 
installed.


Lastly, a break down of memory limits by OS:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx




On 5/1/2010 11:24 AM, CW wrote:

I'm not sure how this changes anything about the original post.  The reason for 
those figures is all based on how things like BIOS handles shadowing, higher 
memory registers, PCI-E segments (for the 2.5G) etc.

The 3.5G can -show- but it's because of the way the memory controller works 
there.. which would make me think it's far more likely you saw that on either a 
server board or using an AMD chip, which has the memory controller onboard.

Some good explanation here:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/03/dude-wheres-my-4-gigabytes-of-ram.html



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Re: [H] Win7 Ent 32-bit vs 64-bit?

2010-05-01 Thread maccrawj
Differing amounts of memory hole from differing configurations would be my guess 
before blaming a bug.


Agreed, with driver support (on new devices at least) finally happening there is no 
reason to use x32.


On 5/1/2010 3:16 PM, Bryan Seitz wrote:

Seems to be a bug or a chipset thing if it's different on different systems, 
all with 4G of ram.
Either way there's no reason to not use a 64 bit os in 2010.

On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 10:43:14AM -0700, maccrawj wrote:

Sorry, your point/counterpoint is? Think I'm missing something here.


On 5/1/2010 7:28 AM, Bryan Seitz wrote:

Well no, I've seen systems with 4G of memory show:

2.5G
2.8G
3.5G

with /PAE

:)

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Re: [H] mount BRD

2010-05-01 Thread maccrawj

Not tried, but Daemon Tools?

On 5/1/2010 2:10 PM, Winterlight wrote:

What do you use to mount a BRD iso file? thanks!