Re: [H] Any MythTV users out there?

[Wayne Johnson]

At 11:11 AM 1/19/2006, Ben Ruset typed:
Well, from what I understand CableCard does not yet allow for 
OnDemand, which I make use of a lot.


As for archiving -- well as long as there is High Def over component 
cable, I don't know how they can stop you from archiving. It's an 
analog signal after all...


I have an HDTV PVR supplied by my local cable company as well & I 
have taken the coax out which is suppose to go to a tv & put that as 
an input for my Samsung stand alone DVD recorder. This works ok but 
it certainly is NOT HD.


I don't know of any capture card that accepts component cable as an 
input, do you ?



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Re: [H] Using routers to segment network

[Wayne Johnson]

At 08:19 PM 1/18/2006, Winterlight typed:
I just bought a new Belkin router with some very nice features, one 
of which is the ability to define IP addresses that will be outside 
the DMZ. This is specifically incorporated into the router to handle 
games. This removes the need for multiple routers.


Huh?  I can put any machine [defined by it's ip address] on my LAN in 
the DMZ but how does that help one not have multiple "wireless" routers?


What GRC is trying to say is that one has a choice with a single 
"wireless" router of making it easy for everyone to attach to or 
keeping your LAN secure but not both. The only way to have both is 
some combination of multiple wireless routers, access points or switches.



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Re: [H] Using routers to segment network

[Wayne Johnson]

At 11:25 AM 1/18/2006, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:

You've added another Open Wireless router, but I don't need that.


My bad as one of them is suppose to have WEP or WPA enabled but the 
idea is the same. One wireless router for quests & another that you 
want to keep secure with the 3rd leg being to your wired LAN.



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Re: [H] Using routers to segment network

[Wayne Johnson]

At 07:13 AM 1/18/2006, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
Wouldn't the wired router protect me from sniffing and ARP poisoning 
in the wired LAN?


I don't believe you're seeing the whole picture. I believe this is 
what he's trying to say.


Open Wireless Router.
   /\
   |
Modem>Wired Router-->Open Wireless Router
|
   V
Wired LAN I want to protect



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RE: [H] TightVNC vs UltraVNC: battle of the VNCs

[Wayne Johnson]

At 11:19 AM 1/17/2006, Chris Reeves typed:

I was pretty sure UltraVNC used TightVNC as it's base.

I could be wrong.


I thought that I had read that someplace as well but don't recall 
where. I use [EMAIL PROTECTED] over 802.11g all the time & bandwidth wise it's 
not too bad. I don't care about the cpu usage on the remote machines 
as they usually aren't doing much if anything at the time I connect 
to them anyway. I update my virus definitions or windows while 
playing back a HD video on the remote machine while I'm connected & 
don't have a problem but I doubt that I'd want to un-rar a huge file 
while playing back a HD video. ;-)



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Re: [H] HTPC remote?

[Wayne Johnson]

At 10:15 PM 1/16/2006, Brian Weeden typed:

Anyone out there found a good remote for your HTPC?  I need something
that can do the basic functions, works with both the HTPC software and
can be programmed for standard home theater devices, which I think
means it needs to be IR not RF.


My HTPC does NOT run MCE but I don't care about that and there was a 
remote that came with the MyHD MDP-120 HDTV capture card. Like most 
peeps I don't care to have a ton of remotes around so I have a 
programmable One 4 All URC 8910 with a JP1 cable. I was able to find 
the codes for the MyHD remote & then plugged them into my 8910 so now 
my 8910 controls a Samsung DVD recorder w/ firewire, Samsung 30" 
HDTV, Philips DVP 642, Sony AV Receiver, Sony 200 CD changer, 
Magnavox DVR, JVC VHS & the HTPC.  It may not be the best home 
theater setup but it's the best that I could do on a tight budget & 
it's more than acceptable.  It's a good thing we have the Audio 
Authority HD auto switcher as I have 5 inputs going into a HDTV that 
only has 2 Y,Pb,Pr connections. ;-)



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Re: [H] would this be a good idea for THG

[Wayne Johnson]

At 05:34 PM 1/13/2006, Jim Edwards typed:

I love you Wayne. Never doubt that! ;)


Did your girlfriend drag you to the Broke Back Mtn movie or what? 


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Re: [H] Adding users to XP from the command line

[Wayne Johnson]

At 12:01 PM 1/13/2006, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
The user appears in the Control Panel users applet, but it's a 
limited account, and I can't get it to create a user directory in 
Documents and Settings.  Does anyone know how to get it to do a 
complete creation of a user from the command line in WinXP?


AFAIK it can't be done from the command line in Home only in Pro.


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Re: [H] would this be a good idea for THG

[Wayne Johnson]

At 06:24 AM 1/13/2006, Jim Edwards typed:

Gee, maybe I should contact Mel Gibson.


Don't hold your breath while waiting for the reply.


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Re: [H] would this be a good idea for THG

[Wayne Johnson]

At 06:24 AM 1/13/2006, Jim Edwards typed:


Uh, admin fees


And all this time I thought you did this for the love of THG & not 
for profit. Silly me. ;-)



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Re: [H] would this be a good idea for THG

[Wayne Johnson]

At 08:04 PM 1/12/2006, Jim Edwards typed:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/12/million_pixels/

So it wouldn't be the first one but it could help to ensure THG and 
the list stays around for a very long time. I donno... Just a thought.


At the price of machines today a million would be a little excessive 
don't you think?


You could try to sell your soul on eBay.  Oh wait a minute someone 
has already done that too.  What you need is a novel idea that people will buy.



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Re: [H] CPU Upgrade

[Wayne Johnson]

At 07:03 PM 1/11/2006, AMDSpeed typed:

Does Windows XP Pro SP2 need to be reinstalled when going from a single core
Athlon 64 to an X2 processor?


The only time you would need to do that is if you went with a 64bit 
version of Windows Xp 
 or 2k3 




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RE: [H] Graphics in emails

[Wayne Johnson]

At 05:23 PM 1/10/2006, Mesdaq, Ali typed:

Or you could create it in whatever program that outputs to html and
paste that in the email program. I think that should work as well.


Sure one could create an html in Frontpage then preview it & from 
there copy-n-paste into OE but I don't believe that he'll get the background.


One can open any html as stationery in OE therefore one could create 
in Frontpage an html then save it & open it as Message, New Using, 
Select Stationery then browse to the html then he'll get everything 
including the background.



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RE: [H] Win XP Media Center

[Wayne Johnson]

At 11:18 PM 1/8/2006, Chris Reeves typed:

That's not true.  Several HDTV cards work under MCE - including the MDP-120
:)

Several report good success with that.


I don't believe that I stated that the MDP-120 would NOT work just 
that it's not officially supported as it does NOT have the MSFT 
blessing as of yet. I believe one of the Fusion cards do now tho. The 
link I provided was to the official MSFT list of approved hardware 
but as with all things concerning MSFT & hardware the list is hardly 
complete & is updated all the time even tho that web page may not be.



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Re: [H] Win XP Media Center

[Wayne Johnson]

At 07:09 PM 1/8/2006, Hunter, Gary typed:

Does anyone know of a list of supported TV tuner cards for media center.


 & the 
problem is that the only supported HDTV card is the ATI card & as 
Chris has mentioned it has all sorts of issues with MCE.  I'd rather 
use the MyHD MDP-120 card with it's own menuing system on a plain 
jane Xp system until MSFT can get more hardware supt for MCE.



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RE: [H] Verizon DSL

[Wayne Johnson]

At 07:15 PM 1/8/2006, AMDSpeed typed:

I've had nothing but great service with Verizon DSL at my place in Queens
NYC.


VZ DSL in the NYC area is very different than the rest of the 
country. I had it for a year & while it was ok overall their supt 
sucks like most places these days. I had a Westell modem/router all 
in one unit that was a POS but I was able to disable everything but 
the modem part & use my modified Linksys WRT54g instead for the 
router part. Anyhow VZ wanted me to continue to pay $29.95 for 
1.5m/.5 service when for $39.95 from the cable co. I get 5m/.5 
service so I went back to cable. What blows is that my cable co no 
longer has usenet service included & that winds up being an extra 
cost where as VZ usenet access was the best that had ever seen by an ISP.



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Re: [H] Remote desktop apps

[Wayne Johnson]

At 10:28 AM 1/8/2006, Brian Weeden typed:

Currently I use TIghtVNC to control my HTPC over the LAN. Works great,
except that it seems to have a pretty high CPU usage, like 30-40%.
This is fairly detrimental to a machine playing back Hi-Def xvid or
DVDs.  Is this a common problem with VNC?  Is there some setting that
I am missing?


I use [EMAIL PROTECTED] to do the same thing & yes the cpu usage is high. I 
use mine to start the various videos then I shut [EMAIL PROTECTED] down so 
it's not really an issue plus the MyHD card that I use handles all 
the video to the wide screen tv so the computer isn't doing all that much.



Has anyone tried the Remote Desktop built into Windows XP? Does it
have the same CPU issues?


I'm not much help here. I had security issues with Remote Desktop 
early on & haven't used it since. I have heard that the particular 
issue I was having has been fixed but I'm happy with [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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RE: [H] Recommendation on computer build

[Wayne Johnson]

At 12:55 AM 1/8/2006, AMDSpeed typed:

Correct. I don't need film quality material. Likely going to input video
using a firewire link from a MiniDV videocam. I guess I'll lean toward the
P4 solution. I think I can pick up a P4 chip on ebay for around $100. I can
actually use the Celeron in another board that has been collecting dust and
sell it off.

Will I still be encoding if I were just importing video from a MiniDV
camera? I thought the video was already recorded in MPEG format... I know
importing from an analog video source would mean very intensive CPU usage.

I know DIVX encoding and the like still utilizes quite a bit of cycles from
my Athlon 2.2Ghz 64 processor. I was hoping to bypass most of this
tediousness by using a MiniDV cam as the source.


I've been doing this stuff for years with a Digital8 & input to the 
computer via firewire is digital not analog & it's usually in raw 
format. Now you can have it converted to mpeg2 via software or you 
could get a Canopus card & it'll convert to mpeg2 on the fly. Some of 
the earlier apps leaned toward using Intel but some of the later ones 
have started leaning more to the center supporting both Intel & AMD 
processors. In any case I can bet you dollars to donuts that there 
shall at least be some editing & as soon as you touch one frame 
you're going to have to re-code the video. If it's in the correct 
format already then this won't take too long but if the video isn't 
because it's was left in the original format then you'll still have 
to encode it into mpeg2 not to mention convert that to a DVD's VOB format.


Believe me I thought I was just going to do this & that but when I 
got into it there was a whole lot more this & that to do. If she's 
just doing some training videos she may want to consider using an app 
like p2e [picturestoexe]. This app will convert many different still 
& video formats allowing you to combine them into one video that you 
can burn on a dvd.



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RE: [H] Recommendation on computer build

[Wayne Johnson]

At 10:30 PM 1/7/2006, Winterlight typed:
But in my mind there is still a long way to go with these cards and 
high end video capture products in general.


I guess you haven't looked at high end cards lately as my high def 
capture card [MyHD MDP-120] requires very little cpu usage since it 
does all the processing but it captures in streaming mpeg so one has 
to convert it to mpeg2 with a freeware app hdtvtompeg2.exe and the 
null packets should be stripped with another freeware app 
NullPacketStripper & these would take a while on a slow machine. The 
Fusion3 or 5 also take very little CPU while capturing but it's the 
post processing that takes up the CPU, memory, & time.


The bottom line is that he is just trying to make a simple 
instructional video, not a high def movie. Even VCD quality would be 
Ok for that purpose.


As you say tho if that's all the video they want to process both my 
X800 & my last 2 GeForce cards could capture video well enough via 
S-Video to do this. Nero Vision Express 3 or 4 would do a nice job 
with capturing, light editing & burning it to a disk.


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Re: [H] Recommendation on computer build

[Wayne Johnson]

At 06:40 PM 1/7/2006, AMDSpeed typed:

I'm in the process of building my girlfriend a computer on a budget. She
plans on recording interviews with patients using a miniDV camcorder and
using the footage to make instructional DVDs and powerpoint presentations.


Video processing & doing it on a budget is counter intuitive like 
military intelligence.



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Re: [H] A PC is not an appliance

[Wayne Johnson]

At 01:50 PM 1/6/2006, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:

Everyone thinking about buying a PC, or whining about how hard they 
are to use, should be forced to read it.


Gee, I hope they don't. I want them buying toasters thinking they can 
produce the next great movie on it because that's when they call me. 
They never call before they decide to buy one & they would never call 
if they never buy one so please don't change a thing.


OBTW I'll tell the furnace repair man that appliances aren't ever 
suppose to break down when he hands me the bill & see how far or how 
warm I'll be this winter.



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Re: [H] Microsoft patch

[Wayne Johnson]

At 02:53 PM 1/6/2006, Julian Zottl typed:
Isn't that the article that says that any e-mail is considered 
dangerous and searchable if it contains the key word "the"? :)


Only if it appears in the subject line but if it appears in the body 
we yanks just say, "thank you". ;-)



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RE: [H] Nero 7/6 ?

[Wayne Johnson]

At 12:59 PM 1/1/2006, Chris Reeves typed:

Will do 5.1, and will upcode stereo to 5.1 (not total comment on that,
though the separation to sub is handy) I believe it will capture 16:9.


If one has the correct adapters & drivers then Nero 6 will also do 16:9.

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Re: [H] OT: Great TV show - Dr Who

[Wayne Johnson]

At 02:36 PM 12/31/2005, Greg Sevart typed:

Newshosting

$15/mo, unlimited, 4 (going to 8) connects, ~45 days binary retention
Two connects maxes my 6mbit line.

Giganews has better retention (~60 days), but 
costs $10/mo more for the unlimited account.


I use the AstraWeb 
 & their DSL 
connection for $15 has 4 connections & it maxes 
out my 5mbit cable line. The one thing I don't 
like about Giganews is that one can NOT get the 
full speed service immediately after signing up.


All new Giganews® personal accounts come with 3 
days of free service (up to 1GB total transfer).


and if it's on the weekend 3 days easily becomes 
5 or 6 but what is one suppose to do after 
they've downloaded the 1g in approx 15 min.?



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Re: [H] Winamp Replacement

[Wayne Johnson]

At 07:35 AM 12/31/2005, Steve Tomporowski typed:
Okay, Winamp 2 is dead--version 2.91 keeps asking me to upgrade to 
5.  Tried 5 and it sucks.  What is everyone using as a replacement?


I'm still using 2.75 & am not worried about a replacement.


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Re: [H] OT: Great TV show - Dr Who

[Wayne Johnson]

At 05:05 PM 12/30/2005, Brian Weeden typed:

Speaking of newsgroups, what are you guys using for your new server?
Paying for a service I am assuming?


AstraWeb


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Re: [H] Getting Rid of the extra Operating System

[Wayne Johnson]

At 01:45 PM 12/29/2005, Steve Tomporowski typed:
Should have been more explicit.  WMC was meant to be Windows Media 
Center Edition, my bad.  Nope, no third party boot managers used.  I 
expected the Win2k install to fail on the new MB, but was surprised 
when it worked.  Not totally, it refused to load the audio 
driver.  It's just a this point, I don't know which of the files in 
the C: root belong to which operating system.  I was surprised to 
find boot.ini on C:


WMC is really XP with extras so you should be ok just to remove 2k 
from the boot.ini file. FWIW if you had stated MCE I probably 
would've caught on to that. ;-)


All the files in the i386 folder belong to 2k & all the files in the 
c:\windows\folder belong to MCE or XP & you can look at file dates to 
be sure with the many of the 2k files being older.  If you really 
want or think you need to clean the system then a wipe is in order & 
of course you have backups of the stuff you absolutely have to have. ;-)



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Re: [H] Getting Rid of the extra Operating System

[Wayne Johnson]

At 01:27 PM 12/29/2005, Steve Tomporowski typed:

So, Boot.ini is the only thing I need to retain, the rest of the drive can go?


In your OP you say both installs & the subject says extra OS but you 
never do say what the extra OS is.  I ass-u-me that it is XP in which 
case XP had to be installed after 2k unless you use a boot mgr. If 
you don't use a boot mgr & you installed the OSes in order which you 
would have had to then you can just delete any reference to 2k in 
your boot.ini file [back it up 1st if you like] & any files that 
belong to 2k ONLY. If any of the files are shared between the OSes 
then they'll need to stay.  FWIW I've done this several times & it 
works as advertised. The whole key is that 2k was installed prior to 
Xp & you did NOT use a 3rd party boot mgr.



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Re: [H] Getting Rid of the extra Operating System

[Wayne Johnson]

At 12:46 PM 12/29/2005, Steve Tomporowski typed:
Now I want to get rid of Win2k.  Actually I'd like to reformat the C 
drive.  However, there seems to be stuff in the C root like boot.ini 
that includes reference to both installs.  I fear that the C: is 
really the boot drive.  Can I just reformat and do a repair 
install?  Or is the repair necessary.  I don't want to have to start 
off from scratch again.


Just edit out the Win2k part from the boot.ini file & delete 
everything that has to do with Win2k such as the i386 folder & you 
should be done.



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Re: [H] Tvshows.org

[Wayne Johnson]

At 05:06 PM 12/27/2005, Brian Weeden typed:

I would feel safer just getting TV shows from http://tvtorrents.com or
even a search from http://isohunt.com


If you have a fast enough connection then I'd get them at the 
newsgroup alt.binaries.hdtv



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Re: [H] -OT- Ebay/Paypal ?

[Wayne Johnson]

At 01:42 PM 12/25/2005, FORC5 typed:

is there a yearly charge ?


negative


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Re: [H] -OT- Ebay/Paypal ?

[Wayne Johnson]

At 12:03 PM 12/25/2005, FORC5 typed:
This is only cause I had to link a account to PP and the fees are 
deductible to me. Would rather just do checks but most ppl seem to 
like PP even though they get 2.9% + .30 and take 4 days to transfer 
the money to my bank account. Is their debit card a rip off or a good deal ?


The debit card allows you to withdraw funds as soon as they're 
deposited into your PP acct so I think it's a good deal besides you 
can make purchases with the debit card just as you would with any 
MasterCard. With PP if as a seller you wanted to accept CCs from 
anyone if they didn't have a PP acct you always needed a Premier or 
Business acct with the above charges.



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Re: [H] Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas

[Wayne Johnson]

At 05:52 AM 12/24/2005, Jim Edwards typed:

Be kind to a stranger today. It's free and makes a difference.


Merry Christmas to you & yours as well.

Please have a safe trip as well as others that may be traveling this weekend


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Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

[Wayne Johnson]

At 04:37 PM 12/23/2005, Greg Sevart typed:

Marked -OT- or not, this one had no place on this list. Shame on everyone.


Why this OT thread is any different than the other OT threads is 
beyond me but I suspect the 3 day rule for OT threads should be 
kicking in about now anyway.


Have a very Merry Christmas.


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Re: [H] OT - Intelligent Design dealt harsh blow by NJ Judge

[Wayne Johnson]

At 12:13 AM 12/23/2005, Pat Robertson typed:
Because abortion has absolutely nothing to do with fairy tales? 
Since when do you need to worship cloud men in order to determine if 
you personally find aborting fetuses to be immoral? I really have 
disgust for those who assume that only by instilling fairy tales 
does one have moral guidance. It is a real undermining of the human 
mind to overlook the sense of morality built in at the genetic 
level. I don't need a book to tell me that killing is wrong.


Even the most learned psychologists & psychiatrists who btw are 
usually atheists agree that story telling to the young is one of the 
best way to communicate ideas to them. I also strongly disagree that 
humans have a morality code built in. Try making a study of morality 
in our prison system some time. Many inmates turn to religion as easy 
way to chalk up points with the parole board but you'll find that the 
ones that actually reform enough not to be a nuisance to society 
after they get out are predominantly religious in their private 
lives. All of us have demons within that we must keep in the 
background. Sure the demons aren't usually a bright red man with 
pointy ears & a pitch fork but that doesn't mean an evil doesn't lurk 
within us either after all humans are animals. Have you heard the one 
about the 3 monkeys in a tree discussing humans?


Thank you Gary for your posts in this thread.


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RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

[Wayne Johnson]

At 06:45 AM 12/22/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
I meant that properly written forms, with server-side scripting, are 
they way to go.

With automatic copies sent to the filler-outer.


That's what I was complaining about is that too many of them do not 
send a copy to the "filler-outer".



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RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

[Wayne Johnson]

At 11:45 PM 12/21/2005, Neil Atwood typed:

There is no 'hidden' email address in the form (as such).


The simplest forms use something like this

 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" method="post">

instead of scripting and these are equally harvestable

 It's encoded by server-side scripting, so the answer is no, the 
spambots have nothing to harvest.


That's the way it should be to prevent harvesting

 http://www.wavijo.com/cgi/somescript.cgi"; method="post">

 but people that have sites that don't support scripting such as 
GeoCities have no choice other than to get another webhosting service.


As you probably know any Input can equal Hidden, Text, Password, 
Checkbox, Radio, Submit, Reset, File or Image such as





I'm not arguing that forms used with scripting aren't secure or not 
but rather just pointing out that the simplest form action like I 
have at the top should be avoided at all costs as it's no better than 
using mailto: elsewhere in the html. Here is a website devoted to 
revealing the problems with using "action="mailto:"; 



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Re: [H] Motherboard that won't power on

[Wayne Johnson]

At 11:11 AM 12/21/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
I've got a motherboard that was in originally for a bad video 
fan.  I replaced the fan, put the video card back in, and now I get 
now power (not even a fan twitch) when I turn it on.  The 
motherboard LEDs come on.  I've pulled all devices (CPU and RAM 
included) and clear the CMOS (both by jumper and by pulling the 
battery.  I've tried two PSes.  Any thing I can try, or is this 
motherboard (as I suspect) toast?


Did you try another video card ?


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RE: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

[Wayne Johnson]

Are you telling me that the spam bots aren't smart enough to detect 
the supposedly hidden email address in the form but they are smart 
enough to decode hex? If that's the case then the bots are reading 
the rendered html & not the real source so if one uses an image to 
click on to start a mailto: then a bot can't read that either ? So 
bots can not read the source html. Hmmm, I thought bots were smarter 
than that. Of course it depends on the bot. ;-)


At 04:23 PM 12/21/2005, Neil Atwood typed:

I rarely disagree with your take on matters technical Wayne, but I do here.


Well have a Merry Christmas anyway. ;-)

I have built and I currently maintain several dozen websites. Most 
of them pretty simple jobs using a CMS to reduce the amount of hand 
coding required. In every case I use NO email links at all. They all 
use forms for the primary means of contact. In the 10 or so contacts 
a day I get from those sites, I have had no complaints about using a 
form, and - this is the important bit - NO spam on the addresses 
those forms send to. Many of these sites have been up for 2-3 years.


I've used all the hex and JS tricks to 'hide' email addresses. Some 
work better than others, but all of them ultimately fail and those 
addresses will attract spam sooner or later. The spambots are 
getting very sophisticated  these days and these simple tricks are 
not fooling them.


Then why do forms work?  It's because of calling an external cgi or 
perl script but the simplest forms don't use these & this is the same 
technology that can be used to hide email addresses in html. It's not 
that forms are more secure but that calling scripts is more secure 
from bots.  I wager that as much spam comes from not paying to have 
ones domain hidden in whois.


You may not ever learn to love it, but learn to put up with the 
form, for the moment it's here to stay...  ;-)


I'm afraid you're correct but I'll keep resisting anyway & maybe it's 
because of the school of hard knocks that I do.


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

[Wayne Johnson]

At 10:28 AM 12/21/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
That's true, but how likely is that?  And since by putting the email 
link in the html, they guarantee that email address will be flooded 
with spam, the chance of your message getting deleted or blocked 
goes up.  The best system would be a form that sends you a copy of 
your form data.  Several sites, such as Symantec, do this already.


My point is that peeps should have someplace to email & not this form 
shit so why don't more sites use HEX or Images for addies instead of 
one way forms. If they would use 2 way forms then I wouldn't care. I 
guess I'm like a elephant as I've never forgotten the time that supt 
accused me of saying something that I didn't & of course they all 
send back scripted shite.


Even forms need to use cgi, java or something instead of 
incorporating the email addy in the html that the form is sent to so 
it's really no we're back to square one. Why don't they use the same 
cgi or java to hide email addresses ? I know why. It's because it's 
all about gathering data for anal-is-sis  & forms provide the easiest 
method for that. :-(



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

[Wayne Johnson]

At 09:46 AM 12/21/2005, Ben Ruset typed:
No. What I am saying is that the vast majority of people likely 
don't care that they would not get a copy of an email that was sent via a form.


I know I wouldn't.


With more support sites not posting an email addy for people to write 
to I think people will start caring. I know I want a copy of those 
forms so the supt person can't say the I said abc when in fact I said 
xyc. It's a matter of CYA.


With most of the sites using forms for nonsensical bs then I wouldn't 
care either.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

[Wayne Johnson]

At 09:31 AM 12/21/2005, Ben Ruset typed:
Which means that most of them would not care if they did not get a 
copy for themselves.


What?  You mean the end user has some control over web authors. I think not.


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

[Wayne Johnson]

At 08:58 AM 21/12/2005, Wayne Johnson wrote:


I for one hate forms primarily because the visitor that is filling 
it out rarely gets a copy for themselves which is not true if they 
can click on a link & use their own email app.



At 08:16 AM 12/21/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:

Easy to resolve.  Simply set the applet to send an email to the 
filler outer as well as yourself. :)


I know it's easy to fix but most websites that use forms don't & the 
end luser doesn't know diddly from s&s.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
<http://www.wavijo.com> 

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

[Wayne Johnson]

At 07:45 AM 12/21/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
This is the best solution, I believe.  No email address of any kind 
to be harvested.


I for one hate forms primarily because the visitor that is filling it 
out rarely gets a copy for themselves which is not true if they can 
click on a link & use their own email app.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Web authoring question - protecting email addresses

[Wayne Johnson]

At 06:02 PM 12/19/2005, Rob Finger typed:

What about saving the addresses and such as a .jpg ???

I know that would probably not be the best practice but there would 
be no "text" for the search engines to pick up.


Just taking a wild guess at this as I know nothing about search engines.


Better yet enter the stuff you want to be discrete in hexadecimal 
instead of the normal text. Many websites already do this for the 
color settings so why not text?


eg: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]
becomes
mailto:%77%64%6A%40%77%61%76%69%6A%6F%2E%63%6F%6D";> 
wdj@wavijo.com


You can use this technique for all the text that you're concerned 
might be harvested & it works with

Netscape 4, Netscape 7, Internet Explorer 6, Opera 7 and Lynx.


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

RE: [H] Good camera for video conferencing.

[Wayne Johnson]

At 02:44 AM 12/18/2005, Chris Reeves typed:

Oh whoops.. saw Video conferencing.  Look at the Logitech ones.


Actually you can use OrangeMicro's driver with the Sony Camcorders 
when they're connected via firewire. I've used mine this way several 
times but for those that don't want to spend that much the Logitech 
ones are pretty darned good.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Motherboard upgrade

[Wayne Johnson]

At 10:25 PM 12/15/2005, Bill Cohane typed:

Do you think my Win2k will boot (and allow me to update other hardware)
if I upgrade motherboards (PIII board to P4 board, both with Intel chipsets)
but move the same SCSI card into the new motherboard?


Have done it several times with Win2k, Xp & once with 2k3 without a 
problem. At most you may need the SCSI drivers on a floppy to 
re-install during boot up but usually that isn't even req'd.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] cell to land line

[Wayne Johnson]

At 08:03 PM 12/12/2005, jeff.lane typed:

Here, again "back then", it was separate.


Back then we used 2 cans on a string but I imagine that kids these 
days don't have to rough it either.


I use to go out into the woods & cut down saplings to make spears & 
we'd throw them into a old bicycle tire [like lawn darts] when we 
weren't using them as hoola hoops before hoola hoops were invented & 
the hell we caught for nailing our roller skates to boards then we 
found out screws worked better as long as they didn't go thru the board. ;-)



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] cell to land line

[Wayne Johnson]

At 07:40 PM 12/12/2005, jeff.lane typed:
As I recall from the "old" days you should be able to forward any of 
your landline calls to cell if you have a call conferencing feature 
on your landline, and you can, optionally, answer them if you wish.


IIRC 3 way calling was in the same pkg as call forwarding but one 
didn't have to have one to have the other but what struck me as weird 
was that one had to get the next pkg up to get cancel call forwarding.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] cell to land line

[Wayne Johnson]

At 05:57 PM 12/12/2005, Harry McGregor typed:

forward the calls to your cell phone


Before I went all cellular I forwarded all my calls to my cell when I 
was out of town. In the land line phone system that I had I 
programmed a macro so all I had to do was click one button to have 
the calls forwarded. Occassionally I had to tell callers that I 
wasn't in town & I would get "but I called your home" routine so 
later I just changed my cell voice mail to say I wasn't in town 
please leave a message & if it was urgent then I would return the 
call but otherwise they waited.


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] cell to land line

[Wayne Johnson]

At 06:33 AM 12/12/2005, Jim Edwards typed:
I've been thinking about ditching verizion telephone service and 
just adding a cell line with the home number. It would be nice if I 
could integrate two 900 MHz telephones for use since the cell is 
small and does not make a loud enough ring to here throughout the 
house. Anybody have experience in this or has looked into something like this?


If the cell phone is always clipped to your belt then why do you need 
to go thru all this?  FWIW I did dump the land line & went all 
cellular a few  years ago. I didn't bother with the land line 
hardware at all & didn't miss them taking up space either.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

RE: [H] Nero 7

[Wayne Johnson]

At 04:06 PM 12/11/2005, Chris Reeves typed:

Strange.  In six installs, I've had zero troubles.


No problems here on 2 installs.


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Connecting a PC to a TV using DVI

[Wayne Johnson]

At 08:07 PM 12/9/2005, Winterlight typed:
I just got a new ATI All in Wonder 800XT. It came with a coupon for 
a free HDTV breakout box, that plugs into the 800XT and then into a 
HDTV so something must be different then the regular TV OUT breakout box.


I have an X800 that came with an HDTV adapter but the adapter is 
Y,Pb,Pr & not DVI also your video card & drivers must support the 
resolutions that your TV can handle such as 1920x1080i or some 
variation of 16:9.


There is also different kinds of DVI. Make sure that what the TV uses 
is the same as your video card.  I capture HDTV using a MyHD 120 
 [price 
have changed since] & it has it's own video out via Y,Pb,Pr but if I 
want to use DVI it requires a daughter card that's another $100 so I 
use the free Y,Pb,Pr then used the money that I would've spent on the 
daughter card for an AutoSwitcher 
. They 
also carry some DVI-M 
 
& HDMI AutoSwitchers 
 
if you're interested.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] bad burner ?

[Wayne Johnson]

At 01:20 PM 12/9/2005, Stan Zaske typed:
Just bought the 3550 myself and it will burn @ 12x on 8x media. 
Haven't tried 16x media yet to see how fast it really is. @:D>


My Pioneer 108 burns at 16x on Ritek & Princo 8x media with 3rd party 
firmware. SuperMediaStore claims that Ritek will burn at 12x without 
3rd party stuff but I don't know this for a fact.  This is also true 
for my external Pioneer 107.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] -OT- Paypal ?

[Wayne Johnson]

At 05:00 PM 12/9/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
I just cancelled both my merchant credit card services and my check 
clearing services which was tied to my merchant credit card 
services. I was paying a minimum of $40.00 per month, even for 
months I used neither service.


I have a regular Pay Pal account. Is the seller's Pay Pal account a 
good thing to have for a computer business? Any opinions would be appreciated.


I don't know what you mean by a "seller's Pay Pal Account".  If you 
want to accept Credit Cards then you need a Premier/Business Acct.



PayPal charges Premier and Business accounts to receive payments. 
Personal accounts are free, but may not receive debit or credit card payments.


They have various fee schedules depending on what level of business 
you want to do with them 



FWIW I've had a Premier Acct for many years with PayPal and am 
completely satisfied. About 5yrs ago I had a fraudulent charge 
against my acct & once I notified them they credited my acct right 
away also I've never had another fraudulent charge since.


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] VirtualPC??

[Wayne Johnson]

At 11:38 PM 12/8/2005, Winterlight typed:
Or does it run completely separate, in a window, from a image file, 
the way VM is?


I create a ISO of my XpPe Compilation then start a VM window & at the 
bottom of the window is an ico of a cdrom so I drag the ISO to the 
cdrom & press enter then VM simulates booting from a CD. You can 
create a VM of an OS then load a ISO of a non bootable CD is you 
wanted as well but if you're looking to occasional run an image as a 
Virtual CD then I suggest that you use MSFT's VCDtool. This is what I 
use if I want to quickly mount an ISO on a Virtual CD drive that 
shows up in Windows Explorer.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] IE Bug Lets Hackers Phish With Google Desktop

[Wayne Johnson]

At 12:40 PM 12/5/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
Yeah, I'm not sure why this is news.  At the very least, the 
headline should be "People Who Don't Care About Security and are 
Still Using IE, at Risk When Using Google Desktop.  Everyone Else Fine."


How about those that use IE & do NOT use any toolbar or auxiliary 
desktop?  I trust almost no addons for IE not because IE is insecure 
but because I don't trust the addons. FWIW I don't accept the 
defaults in Windows or IE but I also don't surf the dark side of the 
Internet looking for trouble either.


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

RE: [H] Possible Phishing Attack? Fwd: Amazon Payments Billing Issue

[Wayne Johnson]

At 05:03 PM 12/3/2005, Chris Reeves typed:

Well, that's the link as to what it -looks- like.  But the  is not
always the same as the linked text.. A common phish.


You're using Gmail therefore the email message is in html which makes 
it easy to hide the real link in the . You want to make 
sure that you view source & check out the . I 
can almost guarantee you that it's not Amazon.com.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Re: -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Wayne Johnson]

At 01:16 PM 12/2/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
ROTFL!  It's funny how everyone wants protection from spam, but 
nobody complains about the wild lying that goes on in TV commercials.


AOL has this new security center thing going on so what does MSFT do? 
They develop their own security center thing 
 
Windows One Care Live that's in public beta as we speak.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Laptop auto stand

[Wayne Johnson]

At 04:10 PM 12/2/2005, Winterlight typed:
This is what I would like... I just haven't decided if I want to 
spend 2-300 for something I am not going to use that often.


I certainly can understand that. I could slide my seat back & use it 
on my lap for the amount of time I use mine in my car or truck.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Laptop auto stand

[Wayne Johnson]

At 03:32 PM 12/2/2005, Winterlight typed:
I want to get a laptop auto stand to put in my Toyota Tachoma. I see 
them for a cheap as 20 bucks on Ebay which looks like it is made out 
of painted steel 1/2 inch steal pipe and as expensive as two hundred 
bucks for something you might see in a emergency vehicle. Ebay also 
has some in the 80 to 100 dollar range that look OK.


Because it is a two passenger truck I need to be able to remove it 
easily, or at least get it out of the way so my dog, or a passenger 
can ride safely and comfortable. Anybody have experience with these? 
Can someone give me some advice on what to buy, and not to buy?


I've seen this stand that clips onto the topside of ones steering 
wheel so if you have an adjustable steering wheel it can be nice for 
short bits of typing but I sure wouldn't want to do any long amount 
of typing this way & it is of course not for use while driving but it 
wouldn't surprise me to see some one try that.


I'd be interested in checking out any URLs for other types as well.

TTL


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Wayne Johnson]

At 11:40 PM 12/1/2005, warpmedia typed:
Hence the "easily", you are in a better position with terms stated 
in writing vs. verbal.


It's about establishing trust with the client. If the client doesn't 
trust me then take it elsewhere & if I don't trust the client by 
their attitude then I'll tell them to go elsewhere.  Even in this 
cold, mean cruel world if a hand shake isn't good enough then I want 
no part of it & will gladly go out of business.



not being incorporated is MORE of a reason to write things down. =)


From a legal perspective you are correct of course but I was 
referring to an attorney that was part of the incorporation forcing 
me to make the clients sign off on a disclaimer.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Wayne Johnson]

At 09:49 PM 12/1/2005, warpmedia typed:
If you don't make don't sign a release with terms, you easily can be 
sued & loose.


Hey, even if I put things down on paper I still can be sued & lose.

You should at least put down on paper what you do say & have them 
sign that they have been advised of your terms.


If I ever incorporate I may have to but until then I'll just treat 
people the way I would like to be treated.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

RE: [H] early xmas present

[Wayne Johnson]

At 08:41 PM 12/1/2005, Chris Reeves typed:

They've fixed it.

It was turning up a book on "Vaginal Fisting" when you typed in Laserdisc ;)


Yes but can we still buy the books & videos? 


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Microsoft update woes

[Wayne Johnson]

At 02:41 PM 12/1/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
I have a system here that keeps downloading and installing the 
Genuine [Dis]Advantage tool over and over and won't go any 
further.  Any ideas how to get it to realize it's already installed 
it and let me continue on?


Are you sure it's a legit Windows installation? Sounds like the FCK** 
version or something. I've never seen a system that it didn't work on 
unless that system didn't have a legit OS.


I guess it does happen tho as here are some MSKB articles about it at





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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Wayne Johnson]

At 12:10 PM 12/1/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
If a piece of hardware fails and screws up the software (say the HD 
dies and Windows is gone) then I include reinstallation of Windows 
as part of the warranty.  No other place around here (including the 
big boys like Staples and Dell) do this, but I think it's just reasonable.


In that case I give them a price to replace the HD & to restore their 
system to as close to the way that it was before the HD failure which 
includes  re-installing the OS & recovering their data to the best of 
my ability. I can NOT guarantee that I can recover everything & I can 
NOT guarantee that I'll setup Windows exactly as they had it but I 
get awful close thanks to my XpPe Cd unless the HD is completely 
shot. When I tell the client this I try to reassure them that I lose 
very little data if any & that none of the local shops would bother 
with their data or restoring Windows to something other than the 
default installation. Unfortunately if their HD is completely toasted 
there is nothing that I or anyone else can do without a backup other 
than maybe send it to Tim but I can guarantee that I'll work harder 
to recover more of their data & settings than anyone else in the 
area. FWIW I do NOT make image files of their systems prior to them 
taking delivery because that would NOT include their data anyway & 
for the most part that's what they're concerned about. Making an 
image file at the time of delivery only helps the shop re-install 
Windows quicker & I find that the shops that do this often say the 
heck with cleaning the thing just restore the image & screw the 
clients data since it's their fault anyway. Clients don't like losing 
their data & whatever I can do to recover it makes me look like a 
saint no matter what I charge. I've only had to wipe 2 systems that I 
couldn't clean sufficiently so while restoring an image file for 
those systems would've have saved me some time but how about all the 
time I wasted making the image backup file the rest of the time not 
to mention the cost of the media to store them. Sorry but I've got 
better things to do like maybe some more research into this or that 
computer problem(s).



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Wayne Johnson]

At 11:46 AM 12/1/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
you simply have it in writing and have them sign the statement that 
no software or operating system work is under warranty.


I thought we were only talking about warranty on repairs & 
specifically the software work that I perform & not the OS or apps. I 
don't charge at all for questions that they might have since the only 
truly dumb question is the question that is not asked. IMHO that's 
supporting the OS but I will not be turned into a secretary & do 
their charts & graphs or advertising etc. etc for them. I've had many 
clients want me to do their office work since I can do it faster than 
most secretaries but I won't do that at $500/hr. Well maybe at the price. ;-)


I surely don't intimidate customers by forcing them to sign any 
statements. When I deliver a machine & set it up I make sure that I 
tell them they can't break it beyond what I can repair but unless 
it's hardware failure not due to negligence then it's NOT covered 
under warranty. I only guarantee the hardware and any work that I do 
& nothing more. Everything else is their responsibility & in this way 
I don't cover viruses or malware or them just plain screwing up.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Backing up 300GB of data

[Wayne Johnson]

At 11:00 AM 12/1/2005, Ben Ruset typed:

Alrighty, what's so bad about the .net framework?


Nothing other than it takes up quite a bit of space. I can use Ghost 
8 on my XpPe builds but not Ghost 9 & above.


I assume that most people know that .net framework has just come out 
in version 2.0 




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RE: [H] early xmas present

[Wayne Johnson]

At 11:53 PM 11/30/2005, Chris Reeves typed:

For Humor of the day..

Go to Amazon.Com

And search for "Laserdisc" in the opening search box :)


How in the world did you stumble on this?  I about fell out of my 
chair. Help I've fallen & I can't get up.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Wayne Johnson]

At 09:42 AM 12/1/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
Since he didn't get an AV from me, I don't feel it's my problem if 
he has viruses, but of course, I can't be sure he has viruses since 
he won't bring the machine in unless I agree not to charge him, 
which I'm not going to do.  I guess I'm just making sure I'm not 
being unreasonable.


Only once have I had to wipe a system because I couldn't get it clean 
enough & then I didn't charge the client anything add'l. Heck the 
poor sap had so many critters & it was the 3rd time he brought an 
infected machine [not the same one] to me that I charged him $200 up 
front so I didn't lose much if anything by doing the wipe & 
reinstall. I just knew with that client it was a distinct possibility 
that might happen & charged him accordingly.


Next time someone calls and tells me they "have the same problem", 
I'm going to say, "Actually, you have the same *symptom*.  We'd have 
to look at it to see if it's the same problem."  Perhaps that will help.


Sure, always sweet talk them until you get the machine into your shop 
or they have you make a house call then let them have it by telling 
them the reality of things. ;-)  You did good tho as one can never 
guarantee any price without first looking at the machine. If they 
don't trust me to keep the job to a minimum then don't bring the 
machine to me. I frankly don't give a hoot. I'm confident in my work 
to the point of being arrogant & most clients like that but a few do 
not & they can hit the road. It helps that I don't do this to make a 
living but for fun & money to invest in my addiction. When the 
occasional client makes things unreasonable I ask them to please take 
their business elsewhere.


I had a client ask me what was the best gaming card at the time & 
told them it was subjective to which games they wanted to play & how 
much they wanted to spend. The client bought a card someplace else & 
couldn't get it to work even after spending hours with the other 
places TS then they called me. My response was short & sweet. Sorry.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

RE: [H] Backing up 300GB of data

[Wayne Johnson]

At 08:54 AM 12/1/2005, FORC5 typed:

still using ghost 8 here would be interested in your opinion on these


With Ghost 9 one must install MSFT's .Net framework therefore I'll be 
sticking with Ghost 8 Corp for as long as I can.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

RE: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Wayne Johnson]

At 06:56 AM 12/1/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
Ok, that's an interesting idea.  I like that - perhaps I switch to 
that sort of warranty when people agree to buy a real AV.


I wouldn't do that because you're not guaranteed they'll update their 
definitions & you have no idea of where they'll be surfing. If 
someone in the family likes to surf the so called adult websites then 
no AV will stop a bug that has just been created. BTDT & this is why 
I had to change my policy from 30 days for everything to excluding 
them nasty critters.


GeeksSquad charges $199 US to take off viruses, update Windows, and 
clean the dust out of the computer.  That's $260 Cdn.  They offer 90 
day warranty on repairs in their shop and 30 days for onsite (no 
idea why there would be a difference.)  We charge $66 for the same 
type of repair.  I guess I could offer people a 90 day warranty on 
repairs for an additional $194. :)


I'd up my rate to $75 & warranty it for 30 days regardless of where 
the work is done & if they squawk tell them the price & warranty at 
GeekSquad for the same work & [nearly the same] warranty.


Spyware removal isn't that hard so long as one is patient, stubborn, 
has the tools and takes the time.  Reformatting is just letting the 
bad guys win. :)


Agree only 110%. ;-)


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Wayne Johnson]

At 06:42 AM 12/1/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
Ok, it sounds like you take the same approach as I do - but I've had 
cases where the printer works for a month perfectly, then stops 
printing.  This is either: Malware, user changing/deleting 
something, bug in the driver, installation of incompatible software, 
or bug in Windows.  I'm willing to fix it if it's been a short 
period of time, in my case, 48 hours (to limit the amount of time 
the customer has to screw it up, install something incompatible) but 
after a week, I can no longer be responsible for the system.  Would 
you extend this period to a month?  I realize none of the sleaze 
ball shops do any warranty at all, but I want to be fair to people.


Usually if a client is going to screw with your work it's in the 
first few days. Most people that have PCs at home have jobs & have 
very little time to screw up their computer(s). Thank God for this 
otherwise there would be much more work for us to do. So to answer 
your question, I've always kept my policy at a month. A few times 
I've had to show the client that whatever happened in that month was 
their fault & not mine but other than that I've had no problem with 
my policy. FWIW saying to a client that you warranty your work for 30 
days is much more impressive than telling them 48hrs & this has more 
impact with a 1st time repair client after all you want them to feel 
as comfortable about you as you do about the quality work that you do 
but please don't forget to tell them that excludes anything that has 
to do with viruses & other malware such as adware otherwise you'll be toast.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Wayne Johnson]

At 06:35 AM 12/1/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
This is more an issue with systems I repair than systems I 
sell.  For example, I had a guy in two months ago with 175 virus and 
683 spyware.  He couldn't get on the net.  I removed all the crap, 
fixed his TCP/IP stack, and away he goes, refusing to have me 
install AV, because he has one.  Yesterday he calls - the same 
problem is back, and why won't we fix it for free, since it's the 
same problem?  I point out that it worked for the last two months, 
and he agrees, and I point out that most likely he has re-infected 
himself, so while the same symptoms are back, it isn't the same 
problem.  He freaks out and tells me he won't pay to have the same 
problem fixed twice.  I think I was in the right, but I'm wondering 
what the general consensus would be on that.


That one guy is an idiot & let him take his business elsewhere. If 
you were to bring the machine into your shop couldn't you tell when 
he last updated his AV ?  Couldn't you also cruise thru his history 
to see if he's been surfing on the dark side of the net?  Couldn't 
you look at suspicious email that they've rec'd since their last 
visit? All of us know that new bugs come out everyday & that not any 
AV app is 100 % fool proof. Heck there are bugs out there that no AV 
app can detect as of yet.  It's like driving a car. Seat belts "help" 
save lives but if one were to drive the wrong way on a freeway at 
high speed then I certainly wouldn't expect the seat belt to be save 
my life. Computer security is like being a safe driver as it's not 
only a state of mind but also "reasonable" actions since one can not 
be "wreck-less" while being "reckless". ;-)



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   Wayne D. Johnson
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Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Wayne Johnson]

At 06:37 AM 12/1/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:

How do you know if they fooled with it?


Generally it's usually rather obvious when a kid installs a P2P & 
shares a folder and they don't change any of the defaults


  I've seen Windows screw up it's networking without (as far as I 
could tell) external help.


In the 95 days this could've been true & to a certain extent 98 as 
well because of problems with Netbios but I've never seen 2k or Xp or 
2k3 have the networking completely broken without some outside 
assistance.  FWIW I almost never accept the default auto network 
settings in any of these OSes & assign ip addresses manually. When I 
come back & see that things are now set to automatic & it doesn't 
work then I know some one has been messing around. One has to be a 
little bit a computer forensic person & part investigator by asking 
the client questions then one can ascertain who &/or what was the culprit.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Wayne Johnson]

At 06:10 PM 11/30/2005, Anthony Q. Martin typed:
What does that mean?  I mean, do you give them a list of things 
there aren't suppose to fool with?  In the PC world, personal means 
you get to fool with stuff.  Given that, it seems that it makes no 
sense to give any kind of warranty on a repair.


Well when I specifically tell them not to mess with the networking & 
2 weeks later it's fubarred to the point I have to recreate the 
network from scratch again that certainly isn't covered so yes, I 
tell them what not to mess with. These people were ticked when I 
charged them $50 to fix the network a 2nd time & that was after they 
called at midnight on a Sat. night & I had to drive 30 miles to get 
there. I don't know anyone that will go out that late on a Sat nite & 
only charge them $50.


Another client, the one that accused me of never having set up the 
network, their son downloaded some P2P software & screwed up the 
network because he didn't know any of the settings. Not only did he 
NOT know where to look for them but he never asked & all he cared 
about was installing software so that he could get his music. This is 
the same kid that just a couple of months earlier was burning audio 
CDs on the hottest day of the year in a unairconditioned house & the 
machine locked up because of the overheating conditions then he'd 
just kept rebooting it & kept burning disks until he permanently 
toasted the cpu.


Technicians can't be held responsible for user errors.  I didn't tell 
the last couple not to mess with the network because she told me in 
the beginning that she would never mess with the networking but 
little did she know that didn't include sonny boy. The kid didn't 
even know that P2P had anything to do with networking. Now I don't 
expect people to have all the answers but I do expect them to ask 
some one or do some research before they start messing around in 
areas they are completely unfamiliar with.  FWIW the boy was kicked 
out of mom & dad's house as he had just gotten out of the joint when 
he toasted the machine when he knew it was getting hot. He even told 
me that when I arrived that the case was too hot to touch. It didn't 
occur to him that wasn't normal & told his folks that he just had to 
get caught up on the latest tunes while he had been away. Later after 
screwing up the networking with the P2P stuff he stole their jewelry 
which was the final straw & mommy still felt bad for her little baby. 
Give me a break as the boy was 21 & certainly knew better. FWIW that 
network was a pita to setup because it included a Dell One port 
wireless router that was nothing but problematic & they were sharing 
a dial up connection to boot.


Generally you're correct tho as when installing new print drivers & 
the like as nothing usual goes wrong with the drivers. If I were to 
screw up the installation of drivers or other software then my 
warranty does cover that & I would fix it at no charge. You may say 
that is what I'm suppose to do & I would agree but none of the 5 
local shops do that. Even if they screw up they charge for every hour 
they work on the machine & they don't care if the total bill is more 
than the machine is worth. One of the local shops charged a 
chiropractor nearly $300 to cleanup Happy99 from his laptop. They 
lost all his data & didn't warn him that he would & they set the 
laptop at the wrong resolution [640x480] when the default was 
800x600. He sent the laptop back & they charged him another $225 & 
the screen resolution was still incorrect. The only reason I got the 
job of setting up his new office was because I set the screen res 
correctly which filled the screen as it should & didn't charge him. 
I've only had one case where some drivers had gotten corrupted days 
after the installation in the last 10yrs & I fixed that at no 
charge.  You're right personal means yours to do with as you please 
but it doesn't mean that the end user is not responsible for the 
repairs to fix what they broke. If they want to tweak it until it 
breaks like I sometimes do they had better learn how to fix it before 
the break it or pay to have it repaired without bitching as no one 
ever said that learning was free. My college education sure wasn't.


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] -SOT- Warranty on repairs

[Wayne Johnson]

At 04:14 PM 11/30/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
I'm wondering about warranty on repairs - not on the parts - just on 
repairs like removing viruses, reinstalling printer drivers,  fixing 
the TCP/IP stack, etc.


30 days unless they fool with something they weren't suppose to then 
nothing. I've had clients mess with network settings then tell me the 
network never worked but I ask them how did the drives get mapped if 
the network never worked? Then I usually have to tell them that one 
can't map drives unless the networking was working.  Nothing when it 
comes to viruses & other malware.


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Backing up 300GB of data

[Wayne Johnson]

At 01:35 PM 11/30/2005, CW typed:
I have a client who picked up 5 of the 400G External HDD boxes and 
rotates them.


It's a cheaper solution, but it works.


Essentially that's what one is suppose to do with tapes as well. I 
have an old Seagate DDS SCSI DAT drive that I can dump 20g on at a 
crack but I've gotten lazy & just dump the backups to another HD as 
off site storage is not as critical for me as it could be for businesses.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] What wireless keyboard NOT to get

[Wayne Johnson]

"Ben Ruset" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

As for me, I still use a wired optical mouse. Cords don't bother me. :)


They do bother me as I want my mouse to float like a butterfly.

At 12:52 PM 11/30/2005, Gary VanderMolen typed:

Yep, same here. Besides, I hate the bother and expense of replacing 
batteries, to say nothing of the environmental impact.


Ah, but isn't that why they invented rechargeables?  I love my 
Logitech MX700 that comes with it's own recharger or I can just grab 
a couple of AAs out of the Rayovac recharger if & when I can't wait.



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Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

RE: [H] Logging CPU utilization

[Wayne Johnson]

At 01:14 PM 11/29/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:

Any idea if this'll work with WinPE?


WinPE or BartPE ?  Neither has the perfmon.exe or msc file in them by 
default. I don't even include them in my XpPe compilations. If it 
will run at all it would be more likely to run in my XpPe because 
that's the more like Xp than Bart's but iirc no msc file will run but 
that certainly could've changed since I've built one from scratch. 
Maybe this winter I'll start over & see how far I can push it 
again.  For Network Monitoring I use an app called Showtraf 
 & I use Systernals 
 CPUmon.exe.  I use many of the free 
Systernal free tools in my compilation & have a separate folder off 
the Start Menu for them. Many of the Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit 
tools also work well with XpPe but I can't say how they work with 
Bart's. I would imagine that most of them work & I also have a 
separate folder for the ResKit Tools as well.



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RE: [H] Logging CPU utilization

[Wayne Johnson]

At 12:24 PM 11/29/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

Performance monitor.

Start > Run > Perfmon


I also created an Internet Monitor from the Performance Monitor by 
clicking the + symbol & specifying Network Interface, Bytes Rec'd per 
Sec and the NIC then saving only that out as a separate MSC 
file.  Comes in very handy for monitoring bandwidth. You may have to 
change the scale to get the numbers you expect to see tho however.



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Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] memory

[Wayne Johnson]

At 11:43 AM 11/29/2005, Thane Sherrington (S) typed:
Even worse:  A computer store.  The cobbler's children always have 
old shoes. :)


with newspaper in them to cover the holes ? ;-)


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Frappr!

[Wayne Johnson]

At 02:39 PM 11/28/2005, jeff.lane typed:

I'm too uglycan't keep a camera in repair.


So use some one else's. 


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] memory

[Wayne Johnson]

At 09:31 PM 11/27/2005, FORC5 typed:
have corsair now, my asus mb is very fussy with it, any timings but 
by spd is a black screen and no boot.


As was the case with my Asus A7V333 until I got some Kingston RAM. 
Just another reason I won't be doing Asus anytime soon & fwiw the 
Corsair soared in my Gigabyte board.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Bart XP CD

[Wayne Johnson]

At 01:05 PM 11/25/2005, Robert Turnbull typed:

I want to burn another Bart CD with utilities on it.

What are the most useful utilities to include on this CD?


First of all you're some what limited as not all apps make good 
plugins for Bart's CD. If an app writes all over the OS when 
installing then it's much more difficult to write a plugin for 
it.  Apps like Adobe Photoshop are easy to make a plugin for but I 
wouldn't call Photoshop a necessary app for a diagnostic cd. I 
include Open Office in my compilations but even that isn't really 
necessary. It's all up to you. What do you hope to accomplish?  I 
call mine XpPe because it uses the classic Explorer interface as 
opposed to using the menuing system that Bart's uses because I find 
that often I'm browsing the internet for drivers & etc. One could use 
another browser of course but that just adds to the compilation size.


Some apps are written just for BartPe Cd such as SecureScreen & 
others like ShowTraf work well with it. I would use something like 
Sandra or Everest to give me all the info I can gather about the 
system. ERD Commander may come in handy but the little apps like 
Salaspwd that lets me bump a user to an admin or create a new admin 
is very useful. I'd also use a screen capture app that lets you save 
to a file so that you can cover your behind by capturing error 
messages & the like.


So whatever apps you like presently see if there is already a plugin 
written for it. If not then I'm sure there is an app & plugin written 
for a similar app. The best place to start looking is 
 &/or you can download my plugins at 
 [apps not included unless 
they're freeware].



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Diagnostic & Recovery CD
  

RE: [H] DOS drivers for nForce 4?

[Wayne Johnson]

At 01:43 PM 11/19/2005, Chris Reeves typed:

If you need to get in and browse the filestructures, you can use something
like NTFSDOS or a BartPE.


Maybe you could get Snapshot to run from either BartPe or XpPe cdrom.


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Diagnostic & Recovery CD
  

Re: [H] OT-Circ Saw Blade

[Wayne Johnson]

At 07:06 PM 11/18/2005, dsinc typed:
I have been told that a 40T blade is a very good 
compromise for my DIY projects.


True. FWIW the only thing B&D that I have is from 
there Pro line that they had out years ago & it's 
a ½" drill that I love but other than that I 
wouldn't touch B&D with my hard earned cash.


Good Luck.

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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

RE: [H] SATA II

[Wayne Johnson]

At 02:10 PM 11/18/2005, Chris Reeves typed:

Yeah, another perk of black.. The stuff doesn't discolor after basic use..
Something that is definitely a problem with the lighter beige cases.


Once you go black you never go back. 

I've gone with black cases for the past 2+ yrs now because of the 
discoloration thing & besides they look kewl man.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Looking for a tech site?

[Wayne Johnson]

At 02:09 PM 11/18/2005, Chris Reeves typed:

I'll throw one out there I stay tuned with:

http://www.msfn.org/



Ditto that

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Re: FW: [H] SATA II

[Wayne Johnson]

At 03:25 PM 11/17/2005, Ben Ruset typed:
Well, you can expand your range of service to encompass a larger 
area. Imagine, your empire of Apple service.


He'd probably would have to go all the way to Montreal in order to 
make Apple service even close to worth while. ;-)



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: FW: [H] SATA II

[Wayne Johnson]

At 02:33 PM 11/17/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
This reminds me of the medical billing at home and other home 
employment schemes. The average start up cost is around $3000.00 and 
the $300.00 computer is tossed in, free, of course. No guarantees of 
minimum offers of employment.


But I thought you were the one that said Dell's need a lot of repairs?


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Outlook 2003 & Quotes

[Wayne Johnson]

At 09:46 PM 11/16/2005, Chris Reeves typed:

When you reply, it doesn't automatically provide the > in front of the text
your quoting, etc. it just puts it at the bottom of your email.   Is there a
way to change that without using the HTML templates?


Tools/Options/Preferences/Emailing Options button & at the bottom of 
the next window is where you can control that somewhat. It still puts 
the quoted section at the bottom & if you use the signature option it 
will precede the quoted text. As far as I know there is no way to 
change that but you can turn the add sig option off then use the 
Insert/Sig from the menu thereby inserting where ever you want it.


Outlook does not do selective quoting either. When I asked a MSFT 
technician who was an Office guru about that he didn't even know what 
I was talking about.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] SATA II

[Wayne Johnson]

At 08:59 PM 11/16/2005, Julian Hale typed:

At 09:37 AM 11/15/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
If out of ignorance I err on the side of caution, it may cost a 
little more, but I can sleep at night knowing it will work.


How is that a moral statement???  I too will spend more money to get 
a more reliable product, especially if it's for a customer.  I'm not 
saying that AMD products are less reliable, but they don't have the 
lengthy history of Intel.


Hey, I often spend the money on what I think is the better item but I 
do not make statements such as I ONLY use XYZ or that I can sleep at 
night in a semi public forum as if looking for approval.



Nobody will be able to compete on the basis of price.


How about competing by providing a better service or a service that 
no one else provides ?  What's wrong with selling a slightly 
different product than Dell if I can convince my customers that my 
product is as good as or better while saving them some loot ?


There are always going to be unscrupulous sellers peddling bottom of 
the barrel product.


Combating that by selling over priced items makes up for it how?

Saving his customers a dollar here or a dollar there at the 
potential sacrifice of reliability would be foolish.


We should buy the most expensive items because we're guaranteed the 
best product?  I don't think so. Usually the best bang for the buck 
is somewhere in the middle. How many components are there in a 
machine? If I only save my customer a buck on each then I've saved 
them more than maybe the guy down the street. The computer business 
is highly competitive & $5 here or there may make or break a sale but 
you won't see me complaining about Dell or refusing to work on Dell machines.



All this aside, it's HIS DAMN BUSINESS!


You're absolutely correct & how many others here list their business 
practices ?


I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate it if I came on here and criticized 
your business decisions on a regular basis.


Feel free to criticize by business decisions all you want but first 
wouldn't I have to write about them & usually you won't catch me 
divulging such info here. Here I talk about hardware & not whether I 
can sleep at night because I made the right moral decision which just 
begs for criticism.


  All this childish behavior directed towards Chuck is really 
starting to piss me off, and I can't be the only one.  Stop acting 
like school yard bullies, and start acting your age.


You're talking to a person that was the smallest & youngest in his 
classes while going to schools on military bases no less therefore I 
believe I know what a bully is.  I learned not to try & meet brut 
strength with brut strength & to use cunning instead.  I also 
learned that information is knowledge & power. IMHO if a local mom 
pop shop is selling only Intel then they've not done their homework. 
If anyone wants to buy a Mercedes then let them but please don't try 
& pass it off as the best deal because it will last longer. The fact 
that some people would buy that argument doesn't make it so either as 
PT Barnum once said there is a sucker born every minute.


Now a sneak preview into my business practices & feel free to 
criticize. I like Enlight cases too but I looked into cheaper 
alternatives. Customers don't care about the case except what it 
looks like on the outside. They don't care whether it has rolled 
edges inside because they won't go there. If I can buy a case for $10 
or $20 less than an Enlight case and put in a better PS &/or save the 
client some money then I'm going to do it. FWIW I lose sleep over 
whether or not I'm getting the best bang for the buck for the client 
all the time but that doesn't make me any better or worse than anyone 
else but that just who I am. I ordinarily don't tell people or semi 
public lists that I lose sleep over a deal as that is no ones business.


I'm sorry if I have offended anyone and that has never been the point 
of any of my posts. The point was to get some to look at other 
alternatives. FWIW I even poke fun at myself & you're more than 
welcome to join in if you like.



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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] SATA II

[Wayne Johnson]

At 02:41 PM 11/16/2005, Stan Zaske typed:
Xmas is coming and maybe you could wrap it up and give it to one of 
the in-laws. lol


ROTFLMAO

That would be a trick & us old foggies are lucky to be around never 
mind our 'rents. Maybe I'll give it to the UPS guy instead. ;-)


Have a great day.


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] SATA II

[Wayne Johnson]

At 01:59 AM 11/16/2005, Stan Zaske typed:


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144424


I can't use this as it comes with a free NEC floppy drive & I only 
use Mitsumi drives. 



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   Wayne D. Johnson
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Re: [H] SATA II

[Wayne Johnson]

At 01:59 AM 11/16/2005, Stan Zaske typed:


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144424


Thank You as I must have been more tired than I thought last night 
not to be able to find that.


Thanks again.


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

RE: [H] SATA II

[Wayne Johnson]

At 09:39 PM 11/15/2005, Chris Reeves typed:

I just had a WD74G Raptor die on me :(  Actually, to be honest, I wasn't as
super impressed with them as I thought I would be.


Ok guys, I was just kidding with my post about having to use Raptors 
in all my systems.



I switched over and finally switched over to 4*400 WD RE2 drives.  Good
performance, right price.  While these drives are listed as "RAID Edition"
(thus RE2) the price is affordable, they are quiet and very fast.  The
moment I played with one of them I knew it was basically the best drive I
had worked with in a while.


Must be nice to have a grand to drop on drives but this hick from 
Ohio can't afford anything like that right now.



And nothing was really "wrong" with my WD74G dying; the thing took a hell of
a beating in the way of dealing with the constant work I was putting it
under.. Besides which, WD is advance replacing it so *shrug*


I suppose they won't take debit cards either ?


Honestly, though, the RE2 400G drive -feels- faster.  Yes, I know it
probably isn't faster, but it does -feel- faster.


I'll have to slum it with my Raptors for a while but am glad to know 
that WD has finally come out with some larger drives that fit nicely 
in a NAS setup. Where would one get these incredible drives at 
anyway?  I certainly don't see them listed at NewEgg or Mwave.


TIA


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] SATA II

[Wayne Johnson]

At 04:52 PM 11/15/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
And you who say the SATA connectors fall off? I have not had that 
problem. My SATA compliant power supplies are Enlight in Enlight 
cases and my motherboards are Asus.


I have not had that problem. My SATA compliant power supplies are 
Antec in an Antec case [can you imagine that] and my motherboards are GigaByte.


Gee, I'm disappointed, you haven't taken the opportunity to tell us 
which HDs that you use since they are on the other end of the cable.


I only use Western Digital 10,000 RPM Raptors with 5yr warranties in 
my machines & not only have I not had a bad drive yet but they are so 
easy to setup.



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Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] SATA II

[Wayne Johnson]

At 03:21 PM 11/15/2005, Julian Hale typed:
Hey, come on.  Quit picking on Chuck just because you don't agree 
with his decisions.  It's his business, he can run it the way he wants.


I didn't write anything about subject other than what was posted but 
why make these moral statements that just don't make sense like


At 09:37 AM 11/15/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
If out of ignorance I err on the side of caution, it may cost a 
little more, but I can sleep at night knowing it will work.


This is just an excuse to not do the research. If he wants to operate 
his business that way fine. He states that he can sleep but it 
doesn't stop him from complaining about how he can't compete 
therefore everything is not so rosie. Every extra penny that he 
spends on a machine costs his customer more & more. Sorry but them is 
the facts whether they are sugar coated or not.


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] SATA II

[Wayne Johnson]

At 09:37 AM 11/15/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
If out of ignorance I err on the side of caution, it may cost a 
little more, but I can sleep at night knowing it will work.


But if it costs you more then it costs your customers more.

You're not out anything.


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   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805