Re: [H] USB C Port

[Beave]

USB C is backward compatible. In fact, I use a USB 3 A to USB C cable for
charging and Data Transferring from the Phone as well with no issues.

I hope this helps you out,

Tim Lider

Red Belt at Cardenas School of Arnis

Anime Enthusiast




On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 9:29 AM _ Winterlight 
wrote:

> I bought a new Google Pixel with a C port. It is my first contact with a C
> port and I have some questions.  I know it charges and transfers data very
> much faster then USB 2 or 3 but everything else I own is 2 or 3. Is C
> completely backward compatible?  Can I still use USB with a micro connector
> to charge it. What do I need to know that I am not asking? Thanks!
>

[H] USB C Port

[_ Winterlight]

I bought a new Google Pixel with a C port. It is my first contact with a C port 
and I have some questions.  I know it charges and transfers data very much 
faster then USB 2 or 3 but everything else I own is 2 or 3. Is C completely 
backward compatible?  Can I still use USB with a micro connector to charge it. 
What do I need to know that I am not asking? Thanks!

Re: [H] USB Compatibility

[Thane K. Sherrington]

What do you prefer to Logitech?  I've never had problems with them.

T

On 10/02/2018 3:02 PM, Joshua MacCraw wrote:

Logitech is a shit company and always made issue of plugging their stuff
into KVMs, switches, and hubs.

That said these Chinese brands do leave me wondering sometimes and I do own
lots of Anker stuff, more so cables.  Have their  7 port USB 3 hub, hosted
my Scimitar mouse and Ducky Shine 6 fine.

On Feb 10, 2018 10:00 AM, "didymus7"  wrote:


I just recently attached an Anker USB 3.0 Hub and while it does work, I
did see an uh-oh in the manual (single piece of paper). It stated that
'All' hubs had problems with Logitech devices.  Now I've noticed a trend
the last few years of USB incompatibilities suddenly springing up.  In my
case, the APC UPS.  As an engineer, incompatibility means somebody screwed
up.  My thought is that many vendors are using cheap Chinese chips and
trying to blame their problems on somebody else.  Any thoughts?  Any
experience with 'all' hubs having problems with Logitech?

[H] USB Compatibility

[didymus7]

I just recently attached an Anker USB 3.0 Hub and while it does work, I 
did see an uh-oh in the manual (single piece of paper). It stated that 
'All' hubs had problems with Logitech devices.  Now I've noticed a trend 
the last few years of USB incompatibilities suddenly springing up.  In 
my case, the APC UPS.  As an engineer, incompatibility means somebody 
screwed up.  My thought is that many vendors are using cheap Chinese 
chips and trying to blame their problems on somebody else.  Any 
thoughts?  Any experience with 'all' hubs having problems with Logitech?

[H] USB Type C is coming

[Steve Tomporowski]

http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?doc_id=1325475page_number=1

Three pages:  The world before USB, USB 1.0 to 3.1 and USB Type C.

Re: [H] USB Problem

[Christopher Fisk]

Theoretically you can have 256 devices.  Realistically it's tough even on a
linux machine with quality drivers to go to 25+.  I fear where you can get
on windows without issue.

Troubleshooting you can do:  Get things as close to the root hub as
possible, use powered USB hubs and move around the device giving you
problems to see if a different USB root hub or path works better.  If
needed, buy a new USB card and see if that works for it.

Not many people get this many devices on a system.


On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 8:08 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote:

 Joy for Grand-PA! You will survive, I'm told.
 Duncan


 On 07/12/2014 19:46, Steve Tomporowski wrote:

 Thanks for the reply.  I'll let everyone know how it goes.  None of this
 would have happened if I had retained both my computers.  I had to cut down
 to fit in a smaller space.  My daughter has moved back home with her two
 kids.  First time in about 10 years that we've had young kids here.

 On 7/12/2014 12:31 PM, joeu...@chronic.org wrote:

 I don't think you have to many, IIRC you can have like 256 devices?
 I'd do just what your thinking. Plug the card directly into a USB port,
 skip the hub.
 Hubs can be cheesy, quality-wise. Tripplite makes some great powered
 hubs.

 Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

 ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...

   Original Message 
 Subject: [H] USB Problem
 From: Steve Tomporowski didym...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, July 12, 2014 11:15 am
 To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com


 Still working out the bugs on the new build.

 I *think* I have too many USB devices.

 System is an Asus Maximus VII Hero, i7-4770k, 16GB memory, not
 overclocked, Ancient 6850 video card.  Antech 650 watt supply.

 Now for USB I have:  Video camera, 2 external drives, printer, scanner,
 mouse, keyboard, two midi keyboards and the problem indication:  Alva
 Nanoface sound card.

 When I had everything plugged in (printer, scanner  midi keyboards were
 on an external hub), the sound would start out okay, then begin to
 crackle, finally get so bad you couldn't stand it. Tried plugging
 nanoface into just about every USB hole with the same result. The
 nanoface expects USB 2.0.  Tried powering the hub, but that didn't help.

 If I unplugged one of the midi keyboards, things were okay for most of
 the time.  Every once in a while (days apart), I'd get the crackling
 again, in the same way.  Tried a different hub, no joy.

 I checked with the IT department at work, they said they'd had this
 happen once, too many USB devices, but don't know if it every got solved
 (it was at another division).

 So I'm looking for some ideas on how to make this bullet proof. Right
 now the performance is acceptable, on the infrequent times when it's
 crackling, I only need unplug the nanoface and replug it and I'm good
 for a while.

 Right now I have a PCI-E USB 3.0 card sitting here.  It takes power
 directly from the system PS.  I was planning on isolating the nanoface
 with this card.  If the problem is power, this has it's own power.  If
 it's bandwidth, then this card doesn't share bandwidth with any other
 USB port.

 Ideals?

 ThanksSteve

Re: [H] USB Problem

[Steve Tomporowski]

Yesterday, I popped a PCI-E USB 3.0 board (with external power), into 
the system.  Initially I did have the sound cut out in one game (went 
out for whole system), but since then, everything has worked fine, 
system-wise and in games.  The one oddity was that the MB was having 
fits (would not power up) with everything plugged in when the power was 
first turned on.  After standby power came up, I was able to plug 
everything in with no problem.  This seems to be +5VSB, so maybe it's 
time for a better power supply.


On 7/14/2014 11:26 AM, Christopher Fisk wrote:

Theoretically you can have 256 devices.  Realistically it's tough even on a
linux machine with quality drivers to go to 25+.  I fear where you can get
on windows without issue.

Troubleshooting you can do:  Get things as close to the root hub as
possible, use powered USB hubs and move around the device giving you
problems to see if a different USB root hub or path works better.  If
needed, buy a new USB card and see if that works for it.

Not many people get this many devices on a system.


On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 8:08 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote:


Joy for Grand-PA! You will survive, I'm told.
Duncan


On 07/12/2014 19:46, Steve Tomporowski wrote:


Thanks for the reply.  I'll let everyone know how it goes.  None of this
would have happened if I had retained both my computers.  I had to cut down
to fit in a smaller space.  My daughter has moved back home with her two
kids.  First time in about 10 years that we've had young kids here.

On 7/12/2014 12:31 PM, joeu...@chronic.org wrote:


I don't think you have to many, IIRC you can have like 256 devices?
I'd do just what your thinking. Plug the card directly into a USB port,
skip the hub.
Hubs can be cheesy, quality-wise. Tripplite makes some great powered
hubs.

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

...now these points of data make a beautiful line...

   Original Message 

Subject: [H] USB Problem
From: Steve Tomporowski didym...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, July 12, 2014 11:15 am
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com


Still working out the bugs on the new build.

I *think* I have too many USB devices.

System is an Asus Maximus VII Hero, i7-4770k, 16GB memory, not
overclocked, Ancient 6850 video card.  Antech 650 watt supply.

Now for USB I have:  Video camera, 2 external drives, printer, scanner,
mouse, keyboard, two midi keyboards and the problem indication:  Alva
Nanoface sound card.

When I had everything plugged in (printer, scanner  midi keyboards were
on an external hub), the sound would start out okay, then begin to
crackle, finally get so bad you couldn't stand it. Tried plugging
nanoface into just about every USB hole with the same result. The
nanoface expects USB 2.0.  Tried powering the hub, but that didn't help.

If I unplugged one of the midi keyboards, things were okay for most of
the time.  Every once in a while (days apart), I'd get the crackling
again, in the same way.  Tried a different hub, no joy.

I checked with the IT department at work, they said they'd had this
happen once, too many USB devices, but don't know if it every got solved
(it was at another division).

So I'm looking for some ideas on how to make this bullet proof. Right
now the performance is acceptable, on the infrequent times when it's
crackling, I only need unplug the nanoface and replug it and I'm good
for a while.

Right now I have a PCI-E USB 3.0 card sitting here.  It takes power
directly from the system PS.  I was planning on isolating the nanoface
with this card.  If the problem is power, this has it's own power.  If
it's bandwidth, then this card doesn't share bandwidth with any other
USB port.

Ideals?

ThanksSteve

Re: [H] USB Problem

[DSinc]

Steve,
From your share, I get the feeling that you believed that plugging in a 
new PCIe card to your computer would solve your
trouble. I think you need to sit down an re-analyze your problem. You 
may have introduced new troubles (problems).

Did the new card install properly w/o errors?
Have your admin'd your devices to the new card?
Do your devices all work as expected?
So many questions. Yes, your PSU may not be'upto snuff.' Thatis just 
some more dollars, unfortunately.
Please keep us up to date on this. Data on USB is few and far between. 
Around my home USB is 'magic.'

Best,
Duncan

On 07/14/2014 16:37, Steve Tomporowski wrote:
Yesterday, I popped a PCI-E USB 3.0 board (with external power), into 
the system.  Initially I did have the sound cut out in one game (went 
out for whole system), but since then, everything has worked fine, 
system-wise and in games.  The one oddity was that the MB was having 
fits (would not power up) with everything plugged in when the power 
was first turned on.  After standby power came up, I was able to plug 
everything in with no problem.  This seems to be +5VSB, so maybe it's 
time for a better power supply.


On 7/14/2014 11:26 AM, Christopher Fisk wrote:
Theoretically you can have 256 devices. Realistically it's tough even 
on a
linux machine with quality drivers to go to 25+.  I fear where you 
can get

on windows without issue.

Troubleshooting you can do:  Get things as close to the root hub as
possible, use powered USB hubs and move around the device giving you
problems to see if a different USB root hub or path works better.  If
needed, buy a new USB card and see if that works for it.

Not many people get this many devices on a system.


On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 8:08 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote:


Joy for Grand-PA! You will survive, I'm told.
Duncan


On 07/12/2014 19:46, Steve Tomporowski wrote:

Thanks for the reply.  I'll let everyone know how it goes.  None of 
this
would have happened if I had retained both my computers.  I had to 
cut down
to fit in a smaller space.  My daughter has moved back home with 
her two

kids.  First time in about 10 years that we've had young kids here.

On 7/12/2014 12:31 PM, joeu...@chronic.org wrote:


I don't think you have to many, IIRC you can have like 256 devices?
I'd do just what your thinking. Plug the card directly into a USB 
port,

skip the hub.
Hubs can be cheesy, quality-wise. Tripplite makes some great powered
hubs.

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

...now these points of data make a beautiful line...

   Original Message 

Subject: [H] USB Problem
From: Steve Tomporowski didym...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, July 12, 2014 11:15 am
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com


Still working out the bugs on the new build.

I *think* I have too many USB devices.

System is an Asus Maximus VII Hero, i7-4770k, 16GB memory, not
overclocked, Ancient 6850 video card.  Antech 650 watt supply.

Now for USB I have:  Video camera, 2 external drives, printer, 
scanner,
mouse, keyboard, two midi keyboards and the problem indication:  
Alva

Nanoface sound card.

When I had everything plugged in (printer, scanner  midi 
keyboards were

on an external hub), the sound would start out okay, then begin to
crackle, finally get so bad you couldn't stand it. Tried plugging
nanoface into just about every USB hole with the same result. The
nanoface expects USB 2.0.  Tried powering the hub, but that 
didn't help.


If I unplugged one of the midi keyboards, things were okay for 
most of

the time.  Every once in a while (days apart), I'd get the crackling
again, in the same way.  Tried a different hub, no joy.

I checked with the IT department at work, they said they'd had this
happen once, too many USB devices, but don't know if it every got 
solved

(it was at another division).

So I'm looking for some ideas on how to make this bullet proof. 
Right

now the performance is acceptable, on the infrequent times when it's
crackling, I only need unplug the nanoface and replug it and I'm 
good

for a while.

Right now I have a PCI-E USB 3.0 card sitting here.  It takes power
directly from the system PS.  I was planning on isolating the 
nanoface
with this card.  If the problem is power, this has it's own 
power.  If
it's bandwidth, then this card doesn't share bandwidth with any 
other

USB port.

Ideals?

ThanksSteve

[H] USB Problem

[Steve Tomporowski]

Still working out the bugs on the new build.

I *think* I have too many USB devices.

System is an Asus Maximus VII Hero, i7-4770k, 16GB memory, not 
overclocked, Ancient 6850 video card.  Antech 650 watt supply.


Now for USB I have:  Video camera, 2 external drives, printer, scanner, 
mouse, keyboard, two midi keyboards and the problem indication:  Alva 
Nanoface sound card.


When I had everything plugged in (printer, scanner  midi keyboards were 
on an external hub), the sound would start out okay, then begin to 
crackle, finally get so bad you couldn't stand it. Tried plugging 
nanoface into just about every USB hole with the same result.  The 
nanoface expects USB 2.0.  Tried powering the hub, but that didn't help.


If I unplugged one of the midi keyboards, things were okay for most of 
the time.  Every once in a while (days apart), I'd get the crackling 
again, in the same way.  Tried a different hub, no joy.


I checked with the IT department at work, they said they'd had this 
happen once, too many USB devices, but don't know if it every got solved 
(it was at another division).


So I'm looking for some ideas on how to make this bullet proof. Right 
now the performance is acceptable, on the infrequent times when it's 
crackling, I only need unplug the nanoface and replug it and I'm good 
for a while.


Right now I have a PCI-E USB 3.0 card sitting here.  It takes power 
directly from the system PS.  I was planning on isolating the nanoface 
with this card.  If the problem is power, this has it's own power.  If 
it's bandwidth, then this card doesn't share bandwidth with any other 
USB port.


Ideals?

ThanksSteve

Re: [H] USB Problem

[joeuser]

I don't think you have to many, IIRC you can have like 256 devices?
I'd do just what your thinking. Plug the card directly into a USB port,
skip the hub.
Hubs can be cheesy, quality-wise. Tripplite makes some great powered
hubs.

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

...now these points of data make a beautiful line...

  Original Message 
 Subject: [H] USB Problem
 From: Steve Tomporowski didym...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, July 12, 2014 11:15 am
 To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
 
 
 Still working out the bugs on the new build.
 
 I *think* I have too many USB devices.
 
 System is an Asus Maximus VII Hero, i7-4770k, 16GB memory, not 
 overclocked, Ancient 6850 video card.  Antech 650 watt supply.
 
 Now for USB I have:  Video camera, 2 external drives, printer, scanner, 
 mouse, keyboard, two midi keyboards and the problem indication:  Alva 
 Nanoface sound card.
 
 When I had everything plugged in (printer, scanner  midi keyboards were 
 on an external hub), the sound would start out okay, then begin to 
 crackle, finally get so bad you couldn't stand it. Tried plugging 
 nanoface into just about every USB hole with the same result.  The 
 nanoface expects USB 2.0.  Tried powering the hub, but that didn't help.
 
 If I unplugged one of the midi keyboards, things were okay for most of 
 the time.  Every once in a while (days apart), I'd get the crackling 
 again, in the same way.  Tried a different hub, no joy.
 
 I checked with the IT department at work, they said they'd had this 
 happen once, too many USB devices, but don't know if it every got solved 
 (it was at another division).
 
 So I'm looking for some ideas on how to make this bullet proof. Right 
 now the performance is acceptable, on the infrequent times when it's 
 crackling, I only need unplug the nanoface and replug it and I'm good 
 for a while.
 
 Right now I have a PCI-E USB 3.0 card sitting here.  It takes power 
 directly from the system PS.  I was planning on isolating the nanoface 
 with this card.  If the problem is power, this has it's own power.  If 
 it's bandwidth, then this card doesn't share bandwidth with any other 
 USB port.
 
 Ideals?
 
 ThanksSteve

Re: [H] USB Problem

[Steve Tomporowski]

Thanks for the reply.  I'll let everyone know how it goes.  None of this 
would have happened if I had retained both my computers.  I had to cut 
down to fit in a smaller space.  My daughter has moved back home with 
her two kids.  First time in about 10 years that we've had young kids here.


On 7/12/2014 12:31 PM, joeu...@chronic.org wrote:

I don't think you have to many, IIRC you can have like 256 devices?
I'd do just what your thinking. Plug the card directly into a USB port,
skip the hub.
Hubs can be cheesy, quality-wise. Tripplite makes some great powered
hubs.

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

...now these points of data make a beautiful line...


 Original Message 
Subject: [H] USB Problem
From: Steve Tomporowski didym...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, July 12, 2014 11:15 am
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com


Still working out the bugs on the new build.

I *think* I have too many USB devices.

System is an Asus Maximus VII Hero, i7-4770k, 16GB memory, not
overclocked, Ancient 6850 video card.  Antech 650 watt supply.

Now for USB I have:  Video camera, 2 external drives, printer, scanner,
mouse, keyboard, two midi keyboards and the problem indication:  Alva
Nanoface sound card.

When I had everything plugged in (printer, scanner  midi keyboards were
on an external hub), the sound would start out okay, then begin to
crackle, finally get so bad you couldn't stand it. Tried plugging
nanoface into just about every USB hole with the same result.  The
nanoface expects USB 2.0.  Tried powering the hub, but that didn't help.

If I unplugged one of the midi keyboards, things were okay for most of
the time.  Every once in a while (days apart), I'd get the crackling
again, in the same way.  Tried a different hub, no joy.

I checked with the IT department at work, they said they'd had this
happen once, too many USB devices, but don't know if it every got solved
(it was at another division).

So I'm looking for some ideas on how to make this bullet proof. Right
now the performance is acceptable, on the infrequent times when it's
crackling, I only need unplug the nanoface and replug it and I'm good
for a while.

Right now I have a PCI-E USB 3.0 card sitting here.  It takes power
directly from the system PS.  I was planning on isolating the nanoface
with this card.  If the problem is power, this has it's own power.  If
it's bandwidth, then this card doesn't share bandwidth with any other
USB port.

Ideals?

ThanksSteve

Re: [H] USB Problem

[DSinc]

Joy for Grand-PA! You will survive, I'm told.
Duncan

On 07/12/2014 19:46, Steve Tomporowski wrote:
Thanks for the reply.  I'll let everyone know how it goes.  None of 
this would have happened if I had retained both my computers.  I had 
to cut down to fit in a smaller space.  My daughter has moved back 
home with her two kids.  First time in about 10 years that we've had 
young kids here.


On 7/12/2014 12:31 PM, joeu...@chronic.org wrote:

I don't think you have to many, IIRC you can have like 256 devices?
I'd do just what your thinking. Plug the card directly into a USB port,
skip the hub.
Hubs can be cheesy, quality-wise. Tripplite makes some great powered
hubs.

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

...now these points of data make a beautiful line...


 Original Message 
Subject: [H] USB Problem
From: Steve Tomporowski didym...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, July 12, 2014 11:15 am
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com


Still working out the bugs on the new build.

I *think* I have too many USB devices.

System is an Asus Maximus VII Hero, i7-4770k, 16GB memory, not
overclocked, Ancient 6850 video card.  Antech 650 watt supply.

Now for USB I have:  Video camera, 2 external drives, printer, scanner,
mouse, keyboard, two midi keyboards and the problem indication:  Alva
Nanoface sound card.

When I had everything plugged in (printer, scanner  midi keyboards 
were

on an external hub), the sound would start out okay, then begin to
crackle, finally get so bad you couldn't stand it. Tried plugging
nanoface into just about every USB hole with the same result. The
nanoface expects USB 2.0.  Tried powering the hub, but that didn't 
help.


If I unplugged one of the midi keyboards, things were okay for most of
the time.  Every once in a while (days apart), I'd get the crackling
again, in the same way.  Tried a different hub, no joy.

I checked with the IT department at work, they said they'd had this
happen once, too many USB devices, but don't know if it every got 
solved

(it was at another division).

So I'm looking for some ideas on how to make this bullet proof. Right
now the performance is acceptable, on the infrequent times when it's
crackling, I only need unplug the nanoface and replug it and I'm good
for a while.

Right now I have a PCI-E USB 3.0 card sitting here.  It takes power
directly from the system PS.  I was planning on isolating the nanoface
with this card.  If the problem is power, this has it's own power.  If
it's bandwidth, then this card doesn't share bandwidth with any other
USB port.

Ideals?

ThanksSteve

[H] USB Charger Tester

[Brian Weeden]

What looks to be a very useful device:
http://www.thepowerpot.com/solar-power-optimized-practical-meter

It's a little meter that tells you how well a particular USB port and cable
will be a charging devices.


-
Brian

Re: [H] USB Charger Tester

[Thane Sherrington]

At 10:10 AM 20/11/2013, Brian Weeden wrote:

What looks to be a very useful device:
http://www.thepowerpot.com/solar-power-optimized-practical-meter

It's a little meter that tells you how well a particular USB port and cable
will be a charging devices.


Looks very cool.  Have you used it?  I think I'll get one, but they 
don't give a lot of info about the meter which is the most 
interesting part to me.


T 

Re: [H] USB Charger Tester

[Brian Weeden]

Haven't gotten mine yet but there's a review here:
http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/383454/little-meter-shows-big-differences-charging-plugs-and-cables



-
Brian



On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Thane Sherrington 
th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote:

 At 10:10 AM 20/11/2013, Brian Weeden wrote:

 What looks to be a very useful device:
 http://www.thepowerpot.com/solar-power-optimized-practical-meter

 It's a little meter that tells you how well a particular USB port and
 cable
 will be a charging devices.


 Looks very cool.  Have you used it?  I think I'll get one, but they don't
 give a lot of info about the meter which is the most interesting part to me.

 T

Re: [H] USB Charger Tester

[Alex Lee]

looks great, ordered one too.  wonder why they didn't make it with a
display to show the precise values instead of just bars.


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.comwrote:

 Haven't gotten mine yet but there's a review here:

 http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/383454/little-meter-shows-big-differences-charging-plugs-and-cables



 -
 Brian



 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Thane Sherrington 
 th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote:

  At 10:10 AM 20/11/2013, Brian Weeden wrote:
 
  What looks to be a very useful device:
  http://www.thepowerpot.com/solar-power-optimized-practical-meter
 
  It's a little meter that tells you how well a particular USB port and
  cable
  will be a charging devices.
 
 
  Looks very cool.  Have you used it?  I think I'll get one, but they don't
  give a lot of info about the meter which is the most interesting part to
 me.
 
  T
 
 
 

Re: [H] USB Charger Tester

[Thane Sherrington]

At 11:16 AM 20/11/2013, Alex Lee wrote:

looks great, ordered one too.  wonder why they didn't make it with a
display to show the precise values instead of just bars.


Yeah, I'd like an actually display too, but it's a very cool device.

T 

Re: [H] USB Charger Tester

[Christopher Fisk]

I'm not sure I would kickstart this.  You can get a USB 3 version here:
http://www.amazon.com/Centech-USB-Power-Meter/dp/B00DAR4ITE and a less
expensive one that doesn't do USB3 here
http://www.amazon.com/PortaPow-Monitor-Multimeter-Ammeter-Chargers/dp/B00DF2485S

Why kickstart?


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Alex Lee a...@kukaki.net wrote:

 looks great, ordered one too.  wonder why they didn't make it with a
 display to show the precise values instead of just bars.


 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Haven't gotten mine yet but there's a review here:
 
 
 http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/383454/little-meter-shows-big-differences-charging-plugs-and-cables
 
 
 
  -
  Brian
 
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Thane Sherrington 
  th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote:
 
   At 10:10 AM 20/11/2013, Brian Weeden wrote:
  
   What looks to be a very useful device:
   http://www.thepowerpot.com/solar-power-optimized-practical-meter
  
   It's a little meter that tells you how well a particular USB port and
   cable
   will be a charging devices.
  
  
   Looks very cool.  Have you used it?  I think I'll get one, but they
 don't
   give a lot of info about the meter which is the most interesting part
 to
  me.
  
   T
  
  
  
 

Re: [H] USB Charger Tester

[Brian Weeden]

Not sure. Frankly, I hadn't done much research before ordering - $25 is
within my impulse buy range. I think maybe the difference is price - these
guys are including a fast charge cable in addition to the tester for $25,
while the others you linked seem to be offering just a tester (but with
digital output) for $30 or more.

If the cable works as advertised then I'll be happy with the analog reader.
We'll see.

And if anyone has recommendations for good, high-quality USB wall warts
that aren't massive, I'm all ears.



-
Brian



On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Fisk 
christopher.f...@thefisks.org wrote:

 I'm not sure I would kickstart this.  You can get a USB 3 version here:
 http://www.amazon.com/Centech-USB-Power-Meter/dp/B00DAR4ITE and a less
 expensive one that doesn't do USB3 here

 http://www.amazon.com/PortaPow-Monitor-Multimeter-Ammeter-Chargers/dp/B00DF2485S

 Why kickstart?


 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Alex Lee a...@kukaki.net wrote:

  looks great, ordered one too.  wonder why they didn't make it with a
  display to show the precise values instead of just bars.
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Haven't gotten mine yet but there's a review here:
  
  
 
 http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/383454/little-meter-shows-big-differences-charging-plugs-and-cables
  
  
  
   -
   Brian
  
  
  
   On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Thane Sherrington 
   th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote:
  
At 10:10 AM 20/11/2013, Brian Weeden wrote:
   
What looks to be a very useful device:
http://www.thepowerpot.com/solar-power-optimized-practical-meter
   
It's a little meter that tells you how well a particular USB port
 and
cable
will be a charging devices.
   
   
Looks very cool.  Have you used it?  I think I'll get one, but they
  don't
give a lot of info about the meter which is the most interesting part
  to
   me.
   
T
   
   
   
  
 

Re: [H] USB Charger Tester

[Christopher Fisk]

I've actually converted the plug near my bed and one in the kitchen to
these:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_369050-63374-WP2UWR_4294689722__?productId=3482323

2.1 amp chargers built directly into the outlet.

You can even get ones that don't use up a plug:
http://www.amazon.com/Newer-Technology-Power2U-Outlet-Charging/dp/B00BGF00TO


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.comwrote:

 Not sure. Frankly, I hadn't done much research before ordering - $25 is
 within my impulse buy range. I think maybe the difference is price - these
 guys are including a fast charge cable in addition to the tester for $25,
 while the others you linked seem to be offering just a tester (but with
 digital output) for $30 or more.

 If the cable works as advertised then I'll be happy with the analog reader.
 We'll see.

 And if anyone has recommendations for good, high-quality USB wall warts
 that aren't massive, I'm all ears.



 -
 Brian



 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Fisk 
 christopher.f...@thefisks.org wrote:

  I'm not sure I would kickstart this.  You can get a USB 3 version here:
  http://www.amazon.com/Centech-USB-Power-Meter/dp/B00DAR4ITE and a less
  expensive one that doesn't do USB3 here
 
 
 http://www.amazon.com/PortaPow-Monitor-Multimeter-Ammeter-Chargers/dp/B00DF2485S
 
  Why kickstart?
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Alex Lee a...@kukaki.net wrote:
 
   looks great, ordered one too.  wonder why they didn't make it with a
   display to show the precise values instead of just bars.
  
  
   On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
Haven't gotten mine yet but there's a review here:
   
   
  
 
 http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/383454/little-meter-shows-big-differences-charging-plugs-and-cables
   
   
   
-
Brian
   
   
   
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Thane Sherrington 
th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote:
   
 At 10:10 AM 20/11/2013, Brian Weeden wrote:

 What looks to be a very useful device:
 http://www.thepowerpot.com/solar-power-optimized-practical-meter

 It's a little meter that tells you how well a particular USB port
  and
 cable
 will be a charging devices.


 Looks very cool.  Have you used it?  I think I'll get one, but they
   don't
 give a lot of info about the meter which is the most interesting
 part
   to
me.

 T



   
  
 

Re: [H] USB Charger Tester

[Thane Sherrington]

At 11:26 AM 20/11/2013, Christopher Fisk wrote:

I'm not sure I would kickstart this.  You can get a USB 3 version here:
http://www.amazon.com/Centech-USB-Power-Meter/dp/B00DAR4ITE and a less


This says it does a max of 2A.


expensive one that doesn't do USB3 here
http://www.amazon.com/PortaPow-Monitor-Multimeter-Ammeter-Chargers/dp/B00DF2485S


This says a max of 3A.  So wouldn't this test USB3 as well?

T 

Re: [H] USB Charger Tester

[Christopher Fisk]

You're likely right, I might have gotten them reversed in my descriptions.
I don't actually own either.  I've actually never actually worried about it
other than making sure I got 2.1amp chargers for everything.


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Thane Sherrington 
th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote:

 At 11:26 AM 20/11/2013, Christopher Fisk wrote:

 I'm not sure I would kickstart this.  You can get a USB 3 version here:
 http://www.amazon.com/Centech-USB-Power-Meter/dp/B00DAR4ITE and a less


 This says it does a max of 2A.


  expensive one that doesn't do USB3 here
 http://www.amazon.com/PortaPow-Monitor-Multimeter-
 Ammeter-Chargers/dp/B00DF2485S


 This says a max of 3A.  So wouldn't this test USB3 as well?

 T

Re: [H] USB Charger Tester

[Brian Weeden]

Definitely useful for home, but I'm also in need of portable chargers for
travel.



-
Brian



On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Christopher Fisk 
christopher.f...@thefisks.org wrote:

 I've actually converted the plug near my bed and one in the kitchen to
 these:
 http://www.lowes.com/pd_369050-63374-WP2UWR_4294689722__?productId=3482323

 2.1 amp chargers built directly into the outlet.

 You can even get ones that don't use up a plug:

 http://www.amazon.com/Newer-Technology-Power2U-Outlet-Charging/dp/B00BGF00TO


 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Not sure. Frankly, I hadn't done much research before ordering - $25 is
  within my impulse buy range. I think maybe the difference is price -
 these
  guys are including a fast charge cable in addition to the tester for $25,
  while the others you linked seem to be offering just a tester (but with
  digital output) for $30 or more.
 
  If the cable works as advertised then I'll be happy with the analog
 reader.
  We'll see.
 
  And if anyone has recommendations for good, high-quality USB wall warts
  that aren't massive, I'm all ears.
 
 
 
  -
  Brian
 
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Christopher Fisk 
  christopher.f...@thefisks.org wrote:
 
   I'm not sure I would kickstart this.  You can get a USB 3 version here:
   http://www.amazon.com/Centech-USB-Power-Meter/dp/B00DAR4ITE and a less
   expensive one that doesn't do USB3 here
  
  
 
 http://www.amazon.com/PortaPow-Monitor-Multimeter-Ammeter-Chargers/dp/B00DF2485S
  
   Why kickstart?
  
  
   On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Alex Lee a...@kukaki.net wrote:
  
looks great, ordered one too.  wonder why they didn't make it with a
display to show the precise values instead of just bars.
   
   
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Brian Weeden 
 brian.wee...@gmail.com
wrote:
   
 Haven't gotten mine yet but there's a review here:


   
  
 
 http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/383454/little-meter-shows-big-differences-charging-plugs-and-cables



 -
 Brian



 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Thane Sherrington 
 th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote:

  At 10:10 AM 20/11/2013, Brian Weeden wrote:
 
  What looks to be a very useful device:
 
 http://www.thepowerpot.com/solar-power-optimized-practical-meter
 
  It's a little meter that tells you how well a particular USB
 port
   and
  cable
  will be a charging devices.
 
 
  Looks very cool.  Have you used it?  I think I'll get one, but
 they
don't
  give a lot of info about the meter which is the most interesting
  part
to
 me.
 
  T
 
 
 

   
  
 

[H] USB 3.0 external drive

[Thane Sherrington]

Will a USB 3.0 external case connect to a USB 2.0 port and work at 
USB 2.0 speed?


T

[H] USB 3

[Winterlight]

I own a few USB flash and external drives but I have no USB3 ports 
yet. I know that USB3 is backward compatible with USB2 but does it 
also use the same cables and hubs as USB2 to obtain it's maximum speeds?

Re: [H] USB 3

[James Boswell]

In short, no, requires USB 3.0 hubs and a superspeed cable linking to it
for maximum speed.

It'll rollback to 480mbps otherwise.

-JB

On 28 February 2013 19:37, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org wrote:

 I own a few USB flash and external drives but I have no USB3 ports yet. I
 know that USB3 is backward compatible with USB2 but does it also use the
 same cables and hubs as USB2 to obtain it's maximum speeds?

[H] USB keyboard problem

[Thane Sherrington]

I've got a computer that boots up to XP and immediately comes up with 
the found new hardware wizard.  The problem is that it has a USB 
keyboard and mouse, and these don't work, and the drivers for these 
won't install because they are blocked by the found new hardware 
wizard that is for some other device (as far as I can tell.)  There 
are no PS2 ports, so I can't use that - any ideas?


T

Re: [H] USB keyboard problem

[DSinc]

Thane,
I do so want to read the answer to this one!
It addresses why I did not choose the m/b's suggested months ago that 
required USB.  I still use the old PS/2 interface...(P5Q3)

I know; slow, behind the times!
Thank you so much for this query.
Best,
Duncan


Thane Sherrington wrote:
I've got a computer that boots up to XP and immediately comes up with 
the found new hardware wizard.  The problem is that it has a USB 
keyboard and mouse, and these don't work, and the drivers for these 
won't install because they are blocked by the found new hardware wizard 
that is for some other device (as far as I can tell.)  There are no PS2 
ports, so I can't use that - any ideas?


T

Re: [H] USB keyboard problem

[Jamie Furtner]

Try them in different ports - Windows should recognize them if they're 
plugged into the same ports that they were plugged into before. I've 
used this trick to get a USB wireless NIC to use its previously stored 
network credentials instead of having to re-enter them.


I don't know if setting USB legacy options in the BIOS will make any 
difference, as Windows takes over control of the USB controllers when it 
starts up. It might be worth taking a look for it just in case Windows 
is trying to load drivers for the USB controllers.


Jamie


DSinc wrote:

Thane,
I do so want to read the answer to this one!
It addresses why I did not choose the m/b's suggested months ago that 
required USB.  I still use the old PS/2 interface...(P5Q3)

I know; slow, behind the times!
Thank you so much for this query.
Best,
Duncan


Thane Sherrington wrote:
I've got a computer that boots up to XP and immediately comes up with 
the found new hardware wizard.  The problem is that it has a USB 
keyboard and mouse, and these don't work, and the drivers for these 
won't install because they are blocked by the found new hardware 
wizard that is for some other device (as far as I can tell.)  There 
are no PS2 ports, so I can't use that - any ideas?


T








--
Jamie Furtner ja...@furtner.ca
I aim to misbehave
- Malcom Reynolds (Serenity movie)
It's not safe...
For them.
- River Tam (Serenity movie)

Re: [H] USB keyboard problem

[Thane Sherrington]

At 04:30 PM 23/07/2009, DSinc wrote:

Thane,
I do so want to read the answer to this one!
It addresses why I did not choose the m/b's suggested months ago 
that required USB.  I still use the old PS/2 interface...(P5Q3)

I know; slow, behind the times!
Thank you so much for this query.


Not at all.  PS2 is the best interface for the keyboard since it 
always works.  These USB-only Dells really suck, and this situation 
is a prime example why.


T 

Re: [H] USB keyboard problem

[Greg Sevart]

XP Pro? You could remote in, assuming the Windows firewall is either
disabled or has appropriate exceptions. Can even remotely enable it if
required, assuming the startup policy for remote registry hasn't been
altered. If it's Home, you could remotely deploy something like VNC or
DameWare's remote client, assuming you have the software and again, the
firewall isn't enabled.

 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
 boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington
 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:01 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: [H] USB keyboard problem
 
 I've got a computer that boots up to XP and immediately comes up with
 the found new hardware wizard.  The problem is that it has a USB
 keyboard and mouse, and these don't work, and the drivers for these
 won't install because they are blocked by the found new hardware
 wizard that is for some other device (as far as I can tell.)  There
 are no PS2 ports, so I can't use that - any ideas?
 
 T
 

Re: [H] USB 2.0 2.5 HD enclosures?

[Bino Gopal]

Thanks Jim (it is Jim, IIRC?).  I'll have to look at those and see what
people say...

So no one else here travels and needs the smaller enclosures for portable
HDs?!  Fwiw, I have two Vantec 3.5 enclosures that do USB 2.0 and eSATA,
and they've been pretty great; nice shiny metal cases (Blue and Black) and
~$33 each from Newegg; from a friend's recommendation and I've been happy
with them for a while now...

But searching for 2.5 ones was producing little results (and weirdly some
listings for the Rocketfish for $3; yeah, the one I paid $55 for!), so
that's why I was curious if anyone here had any they'd personally recommend;
if not, no worries, and thanks guys!

BINO


-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:39 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] USB 2.0 2.5 HD enclosures?

WB Bino!

I'm partial to Icydock these days but have not tried any of their 2.5
stuff.

Re: [H] USB 2.0 2.5 HD enclosures?

[DHSinclair]

Bino,
Be patient.  This List needs time to think and digest your long asks!
Me, I can be of NO service. You speak of stuff I do not have/use.
Hell, I've just finished being bludgeoned (gently!) into getting modern!
Modern is very, very nice!
Please be patient.  The answers are here in the Collective!
If you lack patience, find another outlet.
Best,
Duncan

At 13:50 01/11/2009 -0800, you wrote:

Thanks Jim (it is Jim, IIRC?).  I'll have to look at those and see what
people say...

So no one else here travels and needs the smaller enclosures for portable
HDs?!  Fwiw, I have two Vantec 3.5 enclosures that do USB 2.0 and eSATA,
and they've been pretty great; nice shiny metal cases (Blue and Black) and
~$33 each from Newegg; from a friend's recommendation and I've been happy
with them for a while now...

But searching for 2.5 ones was producing little results (and weirdly some
listings for the Rocketfish for $3; yeah, the one I paid $55 for!), so
that's why I was curious if anyone here had any they'd personally recommend;
if not, no worries, and thanks guys!

BINO


-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:39 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] USB 2.0 2.5 HD enclosures?

WB Bino!

I'm partial to Icydock these days but have not tried any of their 2.5
stuff.

Re: [H] USB 2.0 2.5 HD enclosures?

[John R Steinbruner]

+1 for Icydocks, I use the 2.5 inch drive enclosures, I love the  
screwless design




On Jan 11, 2009, at 5:05 PM, maccrawj wrote:


Hey Bino-

When I travel, I take a Icydock 3.5 enclosure  a 400GB HDD with me  
since portable not on-the-go storage is what I need  3.5 HDD's are  
a lot cheaper/GB than 2.5's. :)


I've seen notebook/USB powered IDE or SATA 2.5 Vantec's (and  
generics) for  $30 on ebay  Newegg, trick is to watch what bridge  
chipset is under the hood so caveat emptor! If you don't need USB  
powered, look into Icydock 3.5 enclosures.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENEDEPA=0Order=BESTMATCHDescription=vantec+2.5

Icydock makes a neat eSATA dock that fits both 2.5  3.5 HDD but  
it's a cradle not an enclosure  @$50 is priced way to high vs. a  
Rosewill USB to IDE/SATA dongle. Picked up the Rosewill for  
service calls after looking at a dozen generically similar models.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817198029
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812119244

Reason I'm hot on the Icydock is they make portable, external, and  
internal models with interchangeable trays. Doesn't hurt the in  
addition to being well built, sturdy, the eSATA/USB2.0 MB559  
external is the coolest running fanless enclosures I've used (40C  
under load) despite housing a Seagate 7200.10. Picked it up on a  
deal that came with a free spare tray (MSRP $25) for $60 (currently  
$39.99 after $20 MIR, no spare tray). Really wanted to pick up the  
3to5 internal version this Xmas for my desktop PC so I can swap  
drives with the external enclosure but could not justify the $$$.


This is Icydock's I'm talking about:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817198011
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817994028
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817198028

Sorry to be so drawn out...



Bino Gopal wrote:
Thanks Jim (it is Jim, IIRC?).  I'll have to look at those and see  
what

people say...
So no one else here travels and needs the smaller enclosures for  
portable
HDs?!  Fwiw, I have two Vantec 3.5 enclosures that do USB 2.0 and  
eSATA,
and they've been pretty great; nice shiny metal cases (Blue and  
Black) and
~$33 each from Newegg; from a friend's recommendation and I've been  
happy

with them for a while now...
But searching for 2.5 ones was producing little results (and  
weirdly some
listings for the Rocketfish for $3; yeah, the one I paid $55 for!),  
so
that's why I was curious if anyone here had any they'd personally  
recommend;

if not, no worries, and thanks guys!
BINO
-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:39 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] USB 2.0 2.5 HD enclosures?
WB Bino!
I'm partial to Icydock these days but have not tried any of their  
2.5

stuff.



--
JRS steinie**...@pacbell.net
Please remove  **X**  to reply...

Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.

Re: [H] USB 2.0 2.5 HD enclosures?

[maccrawj]

WB Bino!

I'm partial to Icydock these days but have not tried any of their 2.5 stuff.

[H] USB hubs?

[Bino Gopal]

So as you guys can see from my previous two questions, I'm mainly using my
laptop (it's an IBM T42 with only two USB ports, though I have a Lenovo T61
that I'm switching to at some point, even though I've had it over an year!
:P) and I've got a lot of USB devices now (USB 2.0 2.5 HD, USB mouse and
then USB flash drive, so I'm already over the two ports that it comes with)!
So I'm in need of a good USB hub, more portable than not methinks.

 

Now, obviously non-powered is more portable, but I worry as I hear there are
issues powering the HD from a single USB port at times, though the weird
thing is that I have a Rocketfish enclosure that happens run to fine off a
single USB port (the enclosure didn't come with a double USB port cord like
some do that I've seen; reference my previous post on USB 2.0 2.5
enclosures for more details), so that seems to be nice.

 

.anyway, non-powered would be smaller/more portable, but I'm thinking I
should get a powered one just to be safe (I do carry a 7-port power strip
with me and a 15' extension cord in my laptop bag to make sure I can
*ALWAYS* reach the power if needed! ;).  So any links to the best USB hub
and or personal recommendations are welcomed!  TIA!

 

 
BINO

Re: [H] USB w/ 12V/24V power?

[maccrawj]

Like PoE for networks is a co-power plug standard it seems, not a USB standard 
change:

http://www.usbpluspower.org/

So you have a funky dual plug cable  a IO board with the dual socket which provides 
12V or 24V independent of the USB 5V.



Neil Davidson wrote:

That sounds odd to me.

USB3 is going to allow up to 900mA instead of USB2s 500mA, but I didn't
think the voltage was being upped like that. In fact, according to
Wikipedia, the minimum voltage is actually going down to 4v

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb#USB_3.0

got a link to where it says 12 or 24V?


-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj
Sent: 31 December 2008 09:40
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] USB w/ 12V/24V power?

Was casually looking into a single, multi-amp, 5V/12V power supply to
eliminate all 
my wall-warts when I stumbled upon this, wondering if anyone had some

insight into it?

There's a newer USB plug/cable standard that supplies 12V or 24V along with
data so 
you don't need power bricks for each external device?


Reminds me of PoE for networking devices. Interesting idea, not exactly what
I was 
looking for.

Re: [H] USB w/ 12V/24V power?

[Harry McGregor]

maccrawj wrote:
 Like PoE for networks is a co-power plug standard it seems, not a USB
 standard change:

 http://www.usbpluspower.org/

 So you have a funky dual plug cable  a IO board with the dual socket
 which provides 12V or 24V independent of the USB 5V.

I actually have a Dell (Latitude D410) that has that funky USB+Power
plug, never seen a device that uses it...

Harry

Re: [H] USB w/ 12V/24V power?

[Neil Davidson]

I have never heard of this before.

Looks to be big in the Point Of Sales world though. 

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Harry McGregor
Sent: 04 January 2009 00:22
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] USB w/ 12V/24V power?

maccrawj wrote:
 Like PoE for networks is a co-power plug standard it seems, not a USB
 standard change:

 http://www.usbpluspower.org/

 So you have a funky dual plug cable  a IO board with the dual socket
 which provides 12V or 24V independent of the USB 5V.

I actually have a Dell (Latitude D410) that has that funky USB+Power
plug, never seen a device that uses it...

Harry

Re: [H] USB w/ 12V/24V power?

[Neil Davidson]

That sounds odd to me.

USB3 is going to allow up to 900mA instead of USB2s 500mA, but I didn't
think the voltage was being upped like that. In fact, according to
Wikipedia, the minimum voltage is actually going down to 4v

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb#USB_3.0

got a link to where it says 12 or 24V?


-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj
Sent: 31 December 2008 09:40
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] USB w/ 12V/24V power?

Was casually looking into a single, multi-amp, 5V/12V power supply to
eliminate all 
my wall-warts when I stumbled upon this, wondering if anyone had some
insight into it?

There's a newer USB plug/cable standard that supplies 12V or 24V along with
data so 
you don't need power bricks for each external device?

Reminds me of PoE for networking devices. Interesting idea, not exactly what
I was 
looking for.

[H] USB w/ 12V/24V power?

[maccrawj]

Was casually looking into a single, multi-amp, 5V/12V power supply to eliminate all 
my wall-warts when I stumbled upon this, wondering if anyone had some insight into it?


There's a newer USB plug/cable standard that supplies 12V or 24V along with data so 
you don't need power bricks for each external device?


Reminds me of PoE for networking devices. Interesting idea, not exactly what I was 
looking for.

Re: [H] USB cable for external drive.

[Steve Tomporowski]

Actually it's not a choke but a ferrite bead.  A ferrite material is
essentially a magnetic sensitive ceramic (yes, they bust easily) that
has a variable impedance to frequencies travelling through it.  The
impedance goes up with frequency.  This rounds off the edges of pulses
which really does nothing for the signal but does a lot for emissions.
 It is a device that is added to the cable expressly for high
frequency suppression, either picked up or emitted.

Steve

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:32 AM, maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah, it's a RF choke and beneficial but required assuming the entire signal
 path from PC to device is clean enough.

 Booting could be an issue since you are adding an extra device into the path
 between host  device that the BIOS may not be able to cope with.

 Be careful using long and/or cheap USB cables as they do have length limits
 which can be drastically shortened by noise  attenuation.

 Bobby Heid wrote:

 Thanks for the reply.

 So the little choke looking thing on the USB cable does not really do
 anything?

 I do have an older M/B.  I'll check the BIOS when I am able to reboot.

 Thanks,
 Bobby

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 2:06 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] USB cable for external drive.


 connected to a powered USB hub on my desktop
 because it will not reach my PC.  Can I safely replace the USB cable that
 came with the unit with a standard 6-foot USB cable?

 Yes, USB is USB.

 Also, why will my pc not boot when I have the external drive that is
 plugged

 into the hub and powered on?

 Some older motherboards are like that. If you have a USB drive plugged in
 and active they hang at post. Trying configuring your BIOS boot sequence to
 include that drive.

Re: [H] USB cable for external drive.

[maccrawj]

Yeah, it's a RF choke and beneficial but required assuming the entire signal path 
from PC to device is clean enough.


Booting could be an issue since you are adding an extra device into the path between 
host  device that the BIOS may not be able to cope with.


Be careful using long and/or cheap USB cables as they do have length limits which can 
be drastically shortened by noise  attenuation.


Bobby Heid wrote:

Thanks for the reply.

So the little choke looking thing on the USB cable does not really do
anything?

I do have an older M/B.  I'll check the BIOS when I am able to reboot.

Thanks,
Bobby

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 2:06 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] USB cable for external drive.



connected to a powered USB hub on my desktop
because it will not reach my PC.  Can I safely replace the USB cable that
came with the unit with a standard 6-foot USB cable?


Yes, USB is USB.

Also, why will my pc not boot when I have the external drive that is plugged

into the hub and powered on?


Some older motherboards are like that. If you have a USB drive 
plugged in and active they hang at post. Trying configuring your BIOS 
boot sequence to include that drive.

[H] USB cable for external drive.

[Bobby Heid]

Hey,

 

I have two questions.

 

I have a Rosewill external SATA to USB drive enclosure.  The cable USB cable
that came with it is about 3 feet long and has what looks like a choke on it
near the enclosure.  I have it connected to a powered USB hub on my desktop
because it will not reach my PC.  Can I safely replace the USB cable that
came with the unit with a standard 6-foot USB cable?  If not, what would I
look for in a description to have an equivalent, longer cable?

 

Also, why will my pc not boot when I have the external drive that is plugged
into the hub and powered on?  It hangs in the post phase where it enumerates
on the screen the drives and USB items it has found?  If I power the
external drive off first, it boots fine.

 

My system, in case it matters: P4-3GHz, 2GB RAM, Vista Business SP1.

 

Thanks,

Bobby

Re: [H] USB cable for external drive.

[Bobby Heid]

Thanks for the reply.

So the little choke looking thing on the USB cable does not really do
anything?

I do have an older M/B.  I'll check the BIOS when I am able to reboot.

Thanks,
Bobby

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 2:06 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] USB cable for external drive.


connected to a powered USB hub on my desktop
because it will not reach my PC.  Can I safely replace the USB cable that
came with the unit with a standard 6-foot USB cable?

Yes, USB is USB.

Also, why will my pc not boot when I have the external drive that is plugged
into the hub and powered on?

Some older motherboards are like that. If you have a USB drive 
plugged in and active they hang at post. Trying configuring your BIOS 
boot sequence to include that drive.

Re: [H] USB cable for external drive.

[Joe User]

Hello Bobby,

Saturday, November 22, 2008, 4:38:22 PM, you wrote:

 Thanks for the reply.

 So the little choke looking thing on the USB cable does not really do
 anything?

 I do have an older M/B.  I'll check the BIOS when I am able to reboot.

Yeah, look for boot from USB and the like...

-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

...now these points of data make a beautiful line...

Re: [H] USB cable for external drive.

[FORC5]

not that terribly uncommon when a powered USB device is hooked up, but have not 
seen this bug on newer MB's.

FWIW

At 11:51 AM 11/22/2008, Bobby Heid Poked the stick with:
Also, why will my pc not boot when I have the external drive that is plugged
into the hub and powered on?  It hangs in the post phase where it enumerates
on the screen the drives and USB items it has found?  If I power the
external drive off first, it boots fine.

 

My system, in case it matters: P4-3GHz, 2GB RAM, Vista Business SP1.

 

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Re: [H] USB quits

[Sam Franc]

It was the power supply.
Sam

Joe User wrote:

Hello Sam,

Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 11:49:15 AM, you wrote:

  

My daughter's USB quit working and the fans cooling fans are not working.
Would this be a mobo failure or a power supply failure?
The computer is working fine in other areas, internet, programs etc.
Just no USB and printing where her printer is USB.
Also the computer does not recognize her USB Flash Card.
The mobo is a Gigbyte MS1-SME-S2.



Sounds like MB, are the fans off pin out of the MB?

  




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[H] USB quits

[Sam Franc]

My daughter's USB quit working and the fans cooling fans are not working.
Would this be a mobo failure or a power supply failure?
The computer is working fine in other areas, internet, programs etc.
Just no USB and printing where her printer is USB.
Also the computer does not recognize her USB Flash Card.

--
Sam Franc
On the Oregon Coast
I must be willing to give up what I am
in order to become what I will be.-Einstein

[H] USB quits

[Sam Franc]

My daughter's USB quit working and the fans cooling fans are not working.
Would this be a mobo failure or a power supply failure?
The computer is working fine in other areas, internet, programs etc.
Just no USB and printing where her printer is USB.
Also the computer does not recognize her USB Flash Card.
The mobo is a Gigbyte MS1-SME-S2.
--
Sam Franc
On the Oregon Coast
I must be willing to give up what I am
in order to become what I will be.-Einstein

Re: [H] USB quits

[maccrawj]

Use a VMM  test the PSU voltages at the molex connectors for presence of 12V  
5V.

Cooling fans are 12V devices, USB is 5V, so I'd assume the machine would not work at 
all if it was PSU. Sound more like something on mobo is fried IMHO.


Sam Franc wrote:

My daughter's USB quit working and the fans cooling fans are not working.
Would this be a mobo failure or a power supply failure?
The computer is working fine in other areas, internet, programs etc.
Just no USB and printing where her printer is USB.
Also the computer does not recognize her USB Flash Card.
The mobo is a Gigbyte MS1-SME-S2.

Re: [H] USB quits

[Joe User]

Hello Sam,

Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 11:49:15 AM, you wrote:

 My daughter's USB quit working and the fans cooling fans are not working.
 Would this be a mobo failure or a power supply failure?
 The computer is working fine in other areas, internet, programs etc.
 Just no USB and printing where her printer is USB.
 Also the computer does not recognize her USB Flash Card.
 The mobo is a Gigbyte MS1-SME-S2.

Sounds like MB, are the fans off pin out of the MB?

-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

...now these points of data make a beautiful line...

Re: [H] USB ADDON

[Al]

Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 05:43 PM 1/11/2008, GMrtn typed:
 a second one which has the same type of connector (black instead of 
 yellow) but apparently is for the 4 led lights which is also on the 
 bracket (why 4? send/receive??). But where does it connect?? Never 
 seem before. It would fit on a USB header but not sure if or why it would 
 work.
 
 Those are for diagnostic codes that should be listed in your owners 
 manual. If you don't have one you should be able to download it from 
 their website.

In addition, next to the diagnostic LEDs on the mobo is a place where a
header was not installed. You probably received a back plate from an
earlier board revision, and that's where it plugged in.

al

Re: [H] USB ADDON

[j maccraw]

It's their diagnostic LED's is my guess.

GMrtn wrote:
 I have a USB add on bracket that came with my MSI
P35 Platinum MB.
 It has two cables one which is normal connector that
attaches to the header pins on the MB (add 2 USB
ports) and a second one which has the same type of
connector (black instead of yellow) but apparently is
for the 4 led lights which is also on the bracket (why
4? send/receive??). But where does it connect?? Never
seem before. It would fit on a USB header but not sure
if or why it would work.
 
 TIA
 ~Gary
 
 


  

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[H] USB ADDON

[GMrtn]

I have a USB add on bracket that came with my MSI P35 Platinum MB.
It has two cables one which is normal connector that attaches to the header 
pins on the MB (add 2 USB ports) and a second one which has the same type of 
connector (black instead of yellow) but apparently is for the 4 led lights 
which is also on the bracket (why 4? send/receive??). But where does it 
connect?? Never seem before. It would fit on a USB header but not sure if or 
why it would work.

TIA
~Gary

[H] USB question?

[DHSinclair]

Took and suggestion here and now have a Koutech Systems IO-P222 USB 2.0 I/O
card. It is PCI. Choice was driven because this card has the pair of 
m/b-like pins

so I can enable 2 of the 4 case mounted USB ports. Yes, this card also has 2
type-A USB ports pointing out the back also.  The m/b has 2 type-A USB ports
also, but has zero extra m/b USB pins. The m/b is really OLD!

Question: Does a separate USB controller card require an IRQ for each of its'
ports?

It seems to grab an IRQ on each of the 4 PIRQ lines of the m/b no matter 
which

PCI slot I place it in!  So, I assume this is normal.

If this is true, I'll keep playing card shuffle.. :)
trying to keep the USB controller from sharing an IRQ with the Video card and
NIC card.  So far, it looks like a no-go with 3 cards, 4 PIRQ lines, and, 5 
PCI

slots.
Have not found a pleasant segregation yet. Plus, the explanation in the
m/b's user manual (abit bx6r2.0-440BX) makes little sense.
Best,
Duncan

Re: [H] usb?

[DHSinclair]

Tharin O.,
Thanks for the links. Found the parts I needed and have orders placed.
Saved the links too! (this time!)
Best,
Duncan

At 08:24 12/17/2007 -0800, you wrote:

snip
The Koutech IO-PU222 is is the only card I've found that has two internal 
header pins like the type normally found on a motherboard. It is a 4-port 
USB 2.0 PCI card with 2 external and 2 internal header pin connectors. It 
goes for about $10-15.


There are also cables that can adapt internal headers to the external 
style. Some are made for staying inside of the case and others might have 
a through hole in an internal bracket for looping the wire out the rear of 
the case and back into a rear usb port.


Have a look at

http://www.frontx.com/

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=34_81_250

-Tharin O.

snip

Re: [H] usb?

[Rick Glazier]

I found a company that makes them. It might have had only one open
header for one set of USB2 port pins... (Cases generally need two sets.)

They have no distributors that handle them, so I tried to set up an account
to buy direct, but they might have low-balled me at $6 ea, and the guys 
secretary
never got back to me...

I lost interest and started changing MBs instead to ones that had
USB2 embedded and mutiple extra pin headers for USB2...

If I can find their e-mail... (might not be easy...)

   Rick Glazier

From: DHSinclair 

What I really need is a PCI card that has 4x the 6 copper pins
on-board so I can plug in my case's 4x usb ports.

Does a card like this even exist  (anymore?)

Re: [H] usb?

[Tharin Olsen]

Generally you are going to be wiring front panel usb connectors and internal 
usb devices directly to header pins on your motherboard. 

The Koutech IO-PU222 is is the only card I've found that has two internal 
header pins like the type normally found on a motherboard. It is a 4-port USB 
2.0 PCI card with 2 external and 2 internal header pin connectors. It goes for 
about $10-15.

There are also cables that can adapt internal headers to the external style. 
Some are made for staying inside of the case and others might have a through 
hole in an internal bracket for looping the wire out the rear of the case and 
back into a rear usb port.

Have a look at

http://www.frontx.com/

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=34_81_250

-Tharin O. 

DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I admit to belonging to the noob 
class of usb.
I do know about v 1.1.
I do know about v2.0.
I will pick v2.0. But, am hdw limited, I suspect.

Have searched for internal USB cards that might work.

What I really need is a PCI card that has 4x the 6 copper pins
on-board so I can plug in my case's 4x usb ports.

Does a card like this even exist  (anymore?)
If I am screwed, so be it. Wondering I am. Just because I can.
Screwed does not bother me ATM.
Thank you.
Best,
Duncan

Re: [H] usb?

[DHSinclair]

Rick,
Thanks for the reply. Yes, I agree that I am stretching on this.
It's just that I don't have the funds to completely rebuild an otherwise
running machine. Slow, to be sure, but for what I want it to do, it is fast
enough. Appreciate the help.. :)
Best,
Duncan
At 03:07 12/17/2007 -0500, you wrote:

I found a company that makes them. It might have had only one open
header for one set of USB2 port pins... (Cases generally need two sets.)

They have no distributors that handle them, so I tried to set up an account
to buy direct, but they might have low-balled me at $6 ea, and the guys 
secretary

never got back to me...

I lost interest and started changing MBs instead to ones that had
USB2 embedded and mutiple extra pin headers for USB2...

If I can find their e-mail... (might not be easy...)

   Rick Glazier

From: DHSinclair

What I really need is a PCI card that has 4x the 6 copper pins
on-board so I can plug in my case's 4x usb ports.
Does a card like this even exist  (anymore?)

Re: [H] usb?

[DHSinclair]

Tharin O.,
You've saved my bacon again.  I'd lost the link to FrontX. The other link 
is very interesting also.

More inline below..
At 08:24 12/17/2007 -0800, you wrote:
Generally you are going to be wiring front panel usb connectors and 
internal usb devices directly to header pins on your motherboard.


Oh, that wish this was true!  The Abit BX6 r2.0 that I own does not have 
any USB header pins on the m/b. I will scan the board anyway just to see if 
they are part of the map.  All I have at the moment is a pair of TypeA 
connectors on the rear I/O panel.



The Koutech IO-PU222 is is the only card I've found that has two internal 
header pins like the type normally found on a motherboard. It is a 4-port 
USB 2.0 PCI card with 2 external and 2 internal header pin connectors. It 
goes for about $10-15.


I will go search for this item! Thanks!!! :)  I may just give up using 
the default TypeA USB ports the current case has. Would be nice, but I can 
do an alternate too.



There are also cables that can adapt internal headers to the external 
style. Some are made for staying inside of the case and others might have 
a through hole in an internal bracket for looping the wire out the rear of 
the case and back into a rear usb port.


Yes, found them at FrontX. Still working on an order...



Have a look at

http://www.frontx.com/

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=34_81_250

-Tharin O.


Best,
Duncan



DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I admit to belonging to 
the noob class of usb.

I do know about v 1.1.
I do know about v2.0.
I will pick v2.0. But, am hdw limited, I suspect.

Have searched for internal USB cards that might work.

What I really need is a PCI card that has 4x the 4 copper pins
on-board so I can plug in my case's 4x usb ports.

Does a card like this even exist  (anymore?)
If I am screwed, so be it. Wondering I am. Just because I can.
Screwed does not bother me ATM.
Thank you.
Best,
Duncan

[H] usb?

[DHSinclair]

Yes, I admit to belonging to the noob class of usb.
I do know about v 1.1.
I do know about v2.0.
I will pick v2.0. But, am hdw limited, I suspect.

Have searched for internal USB cards that might work.

What I really need is a PCI card that has 4x the 6 copper pins
on-board so I can plug in my case's 4x usb ports.

Does a card like this even exist  (anymore?)
If I am screwed, so be it. Wondering I am. Just because I can.
Screwed does not bother me ATM.
Thank you.
Best,
Duncan

Re: X-SPAM [H] USB to Network printer server

[Julian Zottl]

You are right on the money with large documents! I tried 3 before getting one that worked 100%. The Belkin 2-Port USB print server is golden. I've printed complex 75 page documents with no hicups at all.http://www.buy.com/prod/lan-2-port-print-server/q/loc/101/10404626.htmlTake care,Julian-Original Message-From: "Hunter, Gary" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent 8/15/2007 11:25:34 PMTo: "The Hardware List" hardware@hardwaregroup.comSubject: X-SPAM  [H] USB to Network printer server








Hi,

I’m after a convertor to convert my USB/Firewire Epson R1800 into a network printer. I see a lot of choices but some reviews mention that they corrupt large documents due to lack of memory which worries me as I will be printing large pictures regularly. Does anyone know of a good review site that does some side by side comparisons? Or does anyone have any first hand experience of these?



Also if there is a good one that will also convert a USB hard drive into NAS that would be a nice bonus J

Thanks,

Gary Hunter
Consulting Engineer - Core Services
Galileo by Travelport

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[H] USB to Network printer server

[Hunter, Gary]

Hi,

I'm after a convertor to convert my USB/Firewire Epson R1800 into a
network printer. I see a lot of choices but some reviews mention that
they corrupt large documents  due to lack of memory which worries me as
I will be printing large pictures regularly. Does anyone know of a good
review site that does some side by side comparisons? Or does anyone have
any first hand experience of these?

Also if there is a good one that will also convert a USB hard drive into
NAS that would be a nice bonus :-)

Thanks,

Gary Hunter 
Consulting Engineer - Core Services 
Galileo by Travelport
T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 
M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 
E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [H] USB mouse and 98SE

[Raul Limos]

 Is there a generic USB mouse driver for 98SE?  I've got a mouse with
 no 98 driver (surprise surprise) and I haven't been able to get it to work.


Check out:

http://www.usbman.com/win98seusbguide.htm
ftp://www.siig.com/USB2.0_v2.06.exe  (from:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=9856)
http://www.usbman.com/Drivers%20and%20Patches.htm

[H] USB CD ROM's ?

[FORC5]

Are USB external roms bootable ?

have a Dell server case with only two external 5 bays and I would like them 
both for removable drive trays. Lousy server case.
fp
thanks

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Re: [H] USB CD ROM's ?

[Ben Ruset]

The BIOS has to support it but yes, it is possible.

FORC5 wrote:

Are USB external roms bootable ?

have a Dell server case with only two external 5 bays and I would like them 
both for removable drive trays. Lousy server case.
fp
thanks

[H] USB mouse and 98SE

[Thane Sherrington]

Is there a generic USB mouse driver for 98SE?  I've got a mouse with 
no 98 driver (surprise surprise) and I haven't been able to get it to work.


T

Re: [H] USB mouse and 98SE

[JOEUSER]

Hello Thane,

Wednesday, January 3, 2007, 7:20:58 PM, you wrote:

 Is there a generic USB mouse driver for 98SE?  I've got a mouse with 
 no 98 driver (surprise surprise) and I haven't been able to get it to work.

Should be able to use native drivers, have you tried plugging the mouse
in while system was on and booted and/or allowing the system to boot
with mouse in? Usually the standard mouse drivers work just fine.
Unless there is a mainboard or mouse issue.

-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

Re: [H] USB to Parallel for dongles

[Thane Sherrington]

At 01:44 PM 08/09/2006, Harry McGregor wrote:

Who is the vendor?  They might support usb and not even know it, as 
the keys are not normally made by the vendor.


The software is called 'Rebar Detailing Training Program' By CRSI 
(Concrete Reinforcement Steel Institute US)
Software was developed for the CRSI by Common Sense Interactive 
Group, and the dongle is Rainbow Tech Sentinel Superpro.


T 

[H] USB to Parallel for dongles

[Thane Sherrington]

Has anyone seen a USB to Parallel adapter that will give an LPT port 
with a memory address to Windows (preferable 378) so that one can 
connect a dongle to it for software copy protection?


T

Re: [H] USB to Parallel for dongles

[Ben Ruset]

This would probably work.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1224926CatId=471

A lot of the other things I have seen are USB to parallel CABLES - 
meaning that you don't get a port but you plug the cable directly to the 
printer.


Thane Sherrington wrote:
Has anyone seen a USB to Parallel adapter that will give an LPT port 
with a memory address to Windows (preferable 378) so that one can 
connect a dongle to it for software copy protection?


T

Re: [H] USB to Parallel for dongles

[Harry McGregor]

We tried a belkin port replicator USB to LPT setup, and it failed.  We 
could not get our esri keys to work with it.


Wound up trading in our keys for USB keys.

Which software is it?  Generally you can contact the vendor, and work 
out an exchange for the USB version of the hardware key.  We have done 
it with both ESRI and ERDAS Imagine.


   Harry

Ben Ruset wrote:


This would probably work.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1224926CatId=471 



A lot of the other things I have seen are USB to parallel CABLES - 
meaning that you don't get a port but you plug the cable directly to 
the printer.


Thane Sherrington wrote:

Has anyone seen a USB to Parallel adapter that will give an LPT port 
with a memory address to Windows (preferable 378) so that one can 
connect a dongle to it for software copy protection?


T

Re: [H] USB to Parallel for dongles

[Harry McGregor]

Thane Sherrington wrote:


At 01:18 PM 08/09/2006, Harry McGregor wrote:

We tried a belkin port replicator USB to LPT setup, and it failed.  
We could not get our esri keys to work with it.


Wound up trading in our keys for USB keys.

Which software is it?  Generally you can contact the vendor, and work 
out an exchange for the USB version of the hardware key.  We have 
done it with both ESRI and ERDAS Imagine.



I can't imagine it working in this case either, but the vendor isn't 
going to support USB (go figure) so the customer is stuck


Who is the vendor?  They might support usb and not even know it, as the 
keys are not normally made by the vendor.


 Harry


T

Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [H] USB devices not being released...

[chuck]

- Original Message - 
From: Bobby Heid [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 7:17 AM
Subject: RE: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [H] USB devices not being released...



You can't close them as far as I know.  They have services that run all of
the time.



I usually click on Stop a 2nd time and that works for me over 90% of the 
time. Do not simply unplug a USB external hard drive or switch it off. This 
may mess up the file and/or partition structure thus making the data 
unreadable. Been there, done that. Shut the computer down before you switch 
off or unplug the external hard drive, unless your clicking on Stop 
worked.


Chuck

RE: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [H] USB devices not being released...

[Thane Sherrington]

At 08:17 AM 28/07/2006, Bobby Heid wrote:

You can't close them as far as I know.  They have services that run all of
the time.


If you run Services.msc and shutdown the service, does that fix the problem?

T 

Re: [H] USB devices not being released...

[Bobby Heid]

Hi Chuck,

I have tried it 5-6 times in a row before with no luck.  Here at work, it
works almost every time.  But at home, it never works.  Even though a USB
thumb drive will almost always close properly.

I still think it is Ghost or Acronis that sees the drive as a regular drive
and is somehow stopping it from being closed.

I knew about not turning off or unplugging it without stopping.  I have had
to resort to the reboot thing so that I can stop the drive.

Thanks,
Bobby

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 7:25 AM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [H] USB devices not being released...
Importance: Low



- Original Message - 
From: Bobby Heid [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 7:17 AM
Subject: RE: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [H] USB devices not being released...


 You can't close them as far as I know.  They have services that run all of
 the time.


I usually click on Stop a 2nd time and that works for me over 90% of the 
time. Do not simply unplug a USB external hard drive or switch it off. This 
may mess up the file and/or partition structure thus making the data 
unreadable. Been there, done that. Shut the computer down before you switch 
off or unplug the external hard drive, unless your clicking on Stop 
worked.

Chuck
 

Re: [H] USB devices not being released...

[Anthony Q. Martin]

I get this all the time with my usb thumb drives and hard drives when there 
is no obvious program accessing the drive. I sometimes wonder if AV software 
is at fault.


Bobby Heid wrote:
:: Hi Chuck,
::
:: I have tried it 5-6 times in a row before with no luck.  Here at
:: work, it works almost every time.  But at home, it never works.
:: Even though a USB thumb drive will almost always close properly.
::
:: I still think it is Ghost or Acronis that sees the drive as a
:: regular drive and is somehow stopping it from being closed.
::
:: I knew about not turning off or unplugging it without stopping.  I
:: have had to resort to the reboot thing so that I can stop the drive.
::
:: Thanks,
:: Bobby

Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [H] USB devices not being released...

[Anthony Q. Martin]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:: I usually click on Stop a 2nd time and that works for me over 90%
:: of the time.

That never seems to work for me.

Do not simply unplug a USB external hard drive or
:: switch it off. This may mess up the file and/or partition structure
:: thus making the data unreadable. Been there, done that. Shut the
:: computer down before you switch off or unplug the external hard
:: drive, unless your clicking on Stop worked.

It may, but if you know you haven't been writing to drive for a while 
(several minutes), it seems to not be much of a problem doing this, in my 
experience.

[H] USB devices not being released...

[Bobby Heid]

Title: USB devices not being released...






Hey again,


I have an external USB drive that whenever I try to safely remove hardware on it, I get this:


---

Problem Ejecting USB Mass Storage Device

---

The device 'Generic volume' cannot be stopped right now. Try stopping the device again later.



I have Ghost 10 and Acronis on this system. Could this be stopping me from stopping the device? If so, how can I tell those programs not to lock the drive? Right now, I have to remove it whenever I reboot the system. I realize I could probably just pull the plug, but I do not want to risk losing any data.

If it's not Ghost or Acronis, anyone have any idea what is holding it? There are no explorer windows open or anything.


Thanks,

Bobby

Re: [H] USB devices not being released...

[Thane Sherrington]

At 06:52 PM 27/07/2006, Bobby Heid wrote:

---
The device 'Generic volume' cannot be stopped right now.  Try 
stopping the device again later.


I have Ghost 10 and Acronis on this system.  Could this be stopping 
me from stopping the device?  If so, how can I tell those programs 
not to lock the drive? Right now, I have to remove it whenever I 
reboot the system.  I realize I could probably just pull the plug, 
but I do not want to risk losing any data.


You have something accessing the drive.  Have you tried closing Ghost 
or Acronis?


T 

[H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000

[Hunter, Gary]

Hi,

Last week I got a Microsoft Ergo 4000 keyboard. This is just the best
keyboard I have ever used. The only issue is it wont work with a usb -
ps2 convertor. I need this to work to plub it into my KVM which is PS2
only.

I did some searches and found everyone saying the keyboard will not work
with a PS2 adaptor. Does anyone know why?

Is there maybe a more expensive adaptor that will work? I really can't
live without this keyboard now its just so nice but I really have to get
it working through the KVM. It doesn't look like they make a PS2 version
either :-(

Thanks

Gary Hunter 
Systems Engineer - Core Services
Cendant TDS - Galileo International 
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Re: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000

[Greg Sevart]

Don't know why it won't work in PS2, but I bought a Ergo 4000 a while back 
for my home machine. I like it quite a bit--I was avoiding all MS keyboards 
since the original MS Natural, but I finally found one that I think is a 
replacement for it. The only real downside for me was that it is different 
enough to make going between it and even another MS Natural (pre-4000) 
difficult. To that end, I decided to make my input devices the same for both 
my home machines and work machine. Now both have Ergo 4000's with MX1000 
mice. :)


My only real concern now is that I very much doubt that it will last nearly 
as long as those old MS Naturals did, but oh well.


Greg


- Original Message - 
From: Hunter, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000



Hi,

Last week I got a Microsoft Ergo 4000 keyboard. This is just the best
keyboard I have ever used. The only issue is it wont work with a usb -
ps2 convertor. I need this to work to plub it into my KVM which is PS2
only.

I did some searches and found everyone saying the keyboard will not work
with a PS2 adaptor. Does anyone know why?

Is there maybe a more expensive adaptor that will work? I really can't
live without this keyboard now its just so nice but I really have to get
it working through the KVM. It doesn't look like they make a PS2 version
either :-(

Thanks

Gary Hunter
Systems Engineer - Core Services
Cendant TDS - Galileo International
(+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 (Office)
(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 (Cell)

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RE: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000

[Hunter, Gary]

Yeh Mine replaced the original MS Natural. From what I've read it
probablly wont last as long but my Natural keyboard must be at least 8
years old.

I love it but I have to get it working with the PS2 connection :-( 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:33 PM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000

Don't know why it won't work in PS2, but I bought a Ergo 4000 a while
back for my home machine. I like it quite a bit--I was avoiding all MS
keyboards since the original MS Natural, but I finally found one that I
think is a replacement for it. The only real downside for me was that it
is different enough to make going between it and even another MS Natural
(pre-4000) difficult. To that end, I decided to make my input devices
the same for both my home machines and work machine. Now both have Ergo
4000's with MX1000 mice. :)

My only real concern now is that I very much doubt that it will last
nearly as long as those old MS Naturals did, but oh well.

Greg


- Original Message -
From: Hunter, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000


 Hi,

 Last week I got a Microsoft Ergo 4000 keyboard. This is just the best
 keyboard I have ever used. The only issue is it wont work with a usb -
 ps2 convertor. I need this to work to plub it into my KVM which is PS2
 only.

 I did some searches and found everyone saying the keyboard will not
work
 with a PS2 adaptor. Does anyone know why?

 Is there maybe a more expensive adaptor that will work? I really can't
 live without this keyboard now its just so nice but I really have to
get
 it working through the KVM. It doesn't look like they make a PS2
version
 either :-(

 Thanks

 Gary Hunter
 Systems Engineer - Core Services
 Cendant TDS - Galileo International
 (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 (Office)
 (+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 (Cell)

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RE: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000

[Neil Davidson]

Regular PS2/USB keyboards autodetect which interface they are plugged into
and change their signalling/power accordingly. I'm guessing that the Ergo
4000 is using a new controller chip from the previous models and does not
support this dual mode of operation. Seems a little odd, the savings in that
are going to be very very tiny (several cents probably). I wouldn't be
surprised to see more going this route.

You may be able to get a PS2 port that connects to USB, but I don't think
youd get a USB port that connects to PS2.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary
 Sent: 25 February 2006 18:49
 To: The Hardware List
 Subject: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000
 
 Hi,
 
 Last week I got a Microsoft Ergo 4000 keyboard. This is just 
 the best keyboard I have ever used. The only issue is it wont 
 work with a usb -
 ps2 convertor. I need this to work to plub it into my KVM 
 which is PS2 only.
 
 I did some searches and found everyone saying the keyboard 
 will not work with a PS2 adaptor. Does anyone know why?
 
 Is there maybe a more expensive adaptor that will work? I 
 really can't live without this keyboard now its just so nice 
 but I really have to get it working through the KVM. It 
 doesn't look like they make a PS2 version either :-(
 
 Thanks
 

RE: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000

[CW]

Because the Ergo4000 uses the new managable HID, there is no way to make it PS2 
compatible.  This is because it can be mapped to work as multiple devices as 
well as having programmability.

So, you'll never (never) find a PS2 connector that will work with this.


-Original message-
From: Neil Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:04:02 -0600
To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: RE: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000

 Regular PS2/USB keyboards autodetect which interface they are plugged into
 and change their signalling/power accordingly. I'm guessing that the Ergo
 4000 is using a new controller chip from the previous models and does not
 support this dual mode of operation. Seems a little odd, the savings in that
 are going to be very very tiny (several cents probably). I wouldn't be
 surprised to see more going this route.
 
 You may be able to get a PS2 port that connects to USB, but I don't think
 youd get a USB port that connects to PS2.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary
  Sent: 25 February 2006 18:49
  To: The Hardware List
  Subject: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000
  
  Hi,
  
  Last week I got a Microsoft Ergo 4000 keyboard. This is just 
  the best keyboard I have ever used. The only issue is it wont 
  work with a usb -
  ps2 convertor. I need this to work to plub it into my KVM 
  which is PS2 only.
  
  I did some searches and found everyone saying the keyboard 
  will not work with a PS2 adaptor. Does anyone know why?
  
  Is there maybe a more expensive adaptor that will work? I 
  really can't live without this keyboard now its just so nice 
  but I really have to get it working through the KVM. It 
  doesn't look like they make a PS2 version either :-(
  
  Thanks
  
 
 

RE: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000

[Hunter, Gary]

How did I know Chris would have the answer, even if it was one I didn't
want to hear :-(

Is there something close to it that is PS2 compatable. If there is I
will take my 4000 to work and buy the alternative for home. 

I especially love the padded wrist wrest on the 4000.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CW
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:52 PM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: RE: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000

Because the Ergo4000 uses the new managable HID, there is no way to make
it PS2 compatible.  This is because it can be mapped to work as multiple
devices as well as having programmability.

So, you'll never (never) find a PS2 connector that will work with this.


-Original message-
From: Neil Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:04:02 -0600
To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: RE: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000

 Regular PS2/USB keyboards autodetect which interface they are plugged 
 into and change their signalling/power accordingly. I'm guessing that 
 the Ergo 4000 is using a new controller chip from the previous models 
 and does not support this dual mode of operation. Seems a little odd, 
 the savings in that are going to be very very tiny (several cents 
 probably). I wouldn't be surprised to see more going this route.
 
 You may be able to get a PS2 port that connects to USB, but I don't 
 think youd get a USB port that connects to PS2.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, 
  Gary
  Sent: 25 February 2006 18:49
  To: The Hardware List
  Subject: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000
  
  Hi,
  
  Last week I got a Microsoft Ergo 4000 keyboard. This is just the 
  best keyboard I have ever used. The only issue is it wont work with 
  a usb -
  ps2 convertor. I need this to work to plub it into my KVM which is 
  PS2 only.
  
  I did some searches and found everyone saying the keyboard will not 
  work with a PS2 adaptor. Does anyone know why?
  
  Is there maybe a more expensive adaptor that will work? I really 
  can't live without this keyboard now its just so nice but I really 
  have to get it working through the KVM. It doesn't look like they 
  make a PS2 version either :-(
  
  Thanks
  
 
 
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RE: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000

[Wayne Johnson]

At 07:01 PM 2/25/2006, Hunter, Gary typed:

How did I know Chris would have the answer, even if it was one I didn't
want to hear :-(

Is there something close to it that is PS2 compatable. If there is I
will take my 4000 to work and buy the alternative for home.

I especially love the padded wrist wrest on the 4000.


How about a different KVM instead ?


--+--
   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
http://www.wavijo.com 

RE: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000

[Hunter, Gary]

Nah, I only bought the KVM a few weeks back and I don't want to change
it either :-( (Belkin OmniView SOHO F1DS104T) It would cost much more to
replace the KVM. If I can find something close to the Ergo 4000 I would
be happy.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Johnson
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:44 PM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: RE: [H] USB - PS2 convertor and Microsoft Ergo 4000

At 07:01 PM 2/25/2006, Hunter, Gary typed:
How did I know Chris would have the answer, even if it was one I didn't

want to hear :-(

Is there something close to it that is PS2 compatable. If there is I 
will take my 4000 to work and buy the alternative for home.

I especially love the padded wrist wrest on the 4000.

How about a different KVM instead ?


--+--
Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
http://www.wavijo.com 

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[H] USB Hardware Problems

[chuck]

A computer I built over a year ago with a P4 CPU on 
an Asus P4P800 SE motherboard came in with inoperative USB ports. It has 4 
onboard USB ports and 4 data cable USB ports hooked to the motherboard. 


The computer had a format job and clean install 
just a month ago. The USB ports were working then as I always use my USB 
external hard drive to transfer data after clean installs. 

I uninstalled the USB ports and let them reinstall 
themselves on reboot. Before and after they looked normal in Device 
Manager.I checked the BIOS settings and found them to be the same as in 
another computer with operative USB ports on its same model motherboard. I, of 
course tried all 8 USB ports. I can boot to a bootable CD with ghost.exe on it 
and access my USB external hard drive on most any computer without allowing 
Windows to load. Even this will not work on this problem computer. This tells me 
it is not a Windows issue, but a hardware issue at the ground level (not even 
loading Windows).

The only two aces I have left to play are 1. Flash 
the BIOS and 2. Install a USB 2.0 card (patch job I despise!).

Do you have any more aces I can play?

Chuck

Re: [H] USB Hardware Problems

[Greg Sevart]

Dead USB ports happen. There are some devices (a certain Dell Axim?) that 
have a tendency to burn up USB ports, and of course any short can do the 
same.


You might try plugging in a POWERED USB hub into the computer ports, and see 
if devices work when hooked to the powered hub. Otherwise, sounds like the 
onboards are hosed.


Greg

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: The Hardware List
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 7:22 AM
Subject: [H] USB Hardware Problems


A computer I built over a year ago with a P4 CPU on an Asus P4P800 SE 
motherboard came in with inoperative USB ports. It has 4 onboard USB ports 
and 4 data cable USB ports hooked to the motherboard.


The computer had a format job and clean install just a month ago. The USB 
ports were working then as I always use my USB external hard drive to 
transfer data after clean installs.


I uninstalled the USB ports and let them reinstall themselves on reboot. 
Before and after they looked normal in Device Manager. I checked the BIOS 
settings and found them to be the same as in another computer with operative 
USB ports on its same model motherboard. I, of course tried all 8 USB ports. 
I can boot to a bootable CD with ghost.exe on it and access my USB external 
hard drive on most any computer without allowing Windows to load. Even this 
will not work on this problem computer. This tells me it is not a Windows 
issue, but a hardware issue at the ground level (not even loading Windows).


The only two aces I have left to play are 1. Flash the BIOS and 2. Install a 
USB 2.0 card (patch job I despise!).


Do you have any more aces I can play?

Chuck 

[H] USB and Windows 98 (non SE)

[Thane Sherrington (S)]

Does USB work reliably with the original Windows 98?  I seem to recall that 
there were issues.


T

RE: [H] USB and Windows 98 (non SE)

[Bobby Heid]

You remember it as I remember it.  USB support might not have been in the
original 98.  But, IIRC, the 2nd update (not SE) added limited support for
it but was problematic.

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington
(S)
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:38 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] USB and Windows 98 (non SE)


Does USB work reliably with the original Windows 98?  I seem to recall that 
there were issues.

T

Re: [H] USB and Windows 98 (non SE)

[CW]

OK.  Not great, but OK.   Go look up the Unofficial Service Pack 2 for Windows 
98 on Google.  It largely fixes this and adds universal support for USB Mass 
Storage Devices.

CW

-Original message-
From: Thane Sherrington (S) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:32:35 -0600
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] USB and Windows 98 (non SE)

 Does USB work reliably with the original Windows 98?  I seem to recall that 
 there were issues.
 
 T
 

Re: [H] USB and Windows 98 (non SE)

[Thane Sherrington (S)]

At 01:49 PM 09/01/2006, CW wrote:
OK.  Not great, but OK.   Go look up the Unofficial Service Pack 2 for 
Windows 98 on Google.  It largely fixes this and adds universal support 
for USB Mass Storage Devices.


When I search for this, I just get this:
http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html
Which appears to be SE only.

T 

Re: [H] USB and Windows 98 (non SE)

[chuck]

- Original Message - 
From: Thane Sherrington (S) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:37 PM
Subject: [H] USB and Windows 98 (non SE)


Does USB work reliably with the original Windows 98?  I seem to recall 
that there were issues.




If I remember correctly USB 1.1 worked with Windows 95, with the proper 
software, of course. Also I was one of the few to get TCP/IP to work on the 
high speed Internet with Windows 95. You have to have your IE and OE updated 
as far as Windows 95 would allow, Version 5.5 I think.


Chuck

Re: [H] USB boot

[Bill Cohane]

At 15:13 12/02/05, Winterlight wrote:

I have two fairly modern workstations. One is based around a Asus
PC DL Deluxe, and one is a Intel 865PERL. Both are around 18 months
old, and come with at least six onboard USB2 ports. I can't boot off
any USB flash drive, or even leave a USB drive connected during a
boot up, and I can't figure out why.



I had a similar problem with USB compact flash drives and Windows 2000
on two systems with Asus motherboards. (Older systems than yours...P2B-D
boards, each with dual PIII-1400 processors.)

I got blue screens at boot every time if I left a flash card in the USB
reader.

I first started using compact flash cards in a USB card reader well
before SP3 or SP4 were released. I had to install a Win2k driver (supplied
by Crucial) to get the card reader to work. (I seem to recall that native
support for these devices was introduced with one of the late service
packs...but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe my USB got screwed up some other way
back then.)

Anyway, the blue screens at boot (if the memory card was left in the 
reader)

continued until a few months ago when I removed all USB devices and drivers
(Add/Remove Hardware in Control Panel with Show Hidden Devices enabled...to
show all instances of the USB ports and hubs and memory devices.) When I
rebooted, Windows detected the USB stuff but insisted on reloading the
same drivers (some Genuide file from the Win2k folder on the CDROM
that came with Crucial's Compact Flash card reader). I had to delete
these drivers manually from the WINNT/INF folder to keep them from being
installed by Windows. After deleting all the USB devices using Add/Remove
Hardware again, I was finally able to install native drivers for all
USB ports and hubs. (I chose Windows Update as the source of the drivers
when Windows asked me for a location for the drivers.) After all this,
removable USB stuff is automatically detected with no drivers required.

No problems now...although I've never tried to boot from a USB flash card.
(If Windows has to write a lot to the flash card, that might be a bad
thing. You have a lifetime of what, only a thousand or so writes on each
memory cell on these flash cards? I'd rather do writes and erases of
pictures or files instead of system files and data like that.)

The above applies to both the native USB1 ports on the motherboard
-and- the USB2 ports on various PCI cards that I have used in these
computers. (Right now I'm using SIIG combo cards with Fast Ethernet,
USB2, and Firewire ports because I was running out of free PCI slots.)

Regards,
Bill 

[H] USB boot

[Winterlight]

I have two fairly modern workstations. One is based around a Asus PC DL 
Deluxe, and one is a Intel 865PERL. Both are around 18 months old, and come 
with at least six onboard USB2 ports.


 I can't boot off any USB flash drive, or even leave a USB drive connected 
during a boot up, and I can't figure out why. I have all USB options 
enabled in the BIOS. I have no problems using USB in Windows. However, if I 
inadvertently even leave a USB drive in the port, and powered up during a 
reboot, my PCs will hang during POST, and I don't mean from a non bootable 
disk error. I mean they just hang solid. If this only happened on one PC I 
would suspect that motherboard but not on both.


I boot from the same USB drives all the time on my Thinkpad ... so what am 
I doing wrong on the Workstations?
 

Re: [H] USB boot

[Julian Hale]

Sounds a lot like a BIOS problem.  Have you checked for updated bios 
for both boards?


Julian

At 12:13 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
I have two fairly modern workstations. One is based around a Asus PC 
DL Deluxe, and one is a Intel 865PERL. Both are around 18 months 
old, and come with at least six onboard USB2 ports.


 I can't boot off any USB flash drive, or even leave a USB drive 
connected during a boot up, and I can't figure out why. I have all 
USB options enabled in the BIOS. I have no problems using USB in 
Windows. However, if I inadvertently even leave a USB drive in the 
port, and powered up during a reboot, my PCs will hang during POST, 
and I don't mean from a non bootable disk error. I mean they just 
hang solid. If this only happened on one PC I would suspect that 
motherboard but not on both.


I boot from the same USB drives all the time on my Thinkpad ... so 
what am I doing wrong on the Workstations?

Re: [H] USB boot

[Winterlight]

At 06:00 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
Sounds a lot like a BIOS problem.  Have you checked for updated bios for 
both boards?



yeah, I use the latest BIOS on all my boards