Re: [H] Upgrade time: What Mobo/CPU
There are many hardware reviews on Intel boards on the web covering Gigabyte mobo's. I swear by Giabyte and have 3 boxes running their boards. Good luck! Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Folks, I need to upgrade my work computer to something more modern (which runs Win7 fine). What I'm like to do is move the mobo from my home machine to my office machine, so the new mobo would come to my home machine. This current machine has a Gigabit mobo and runs a dual core CPU 3.0 GHz. This machine gets a 5.5/7.9 on the WEI, so it handles Win7 just fine. The office machine is old, though. Pentium 4 3.6 GHz. So, what should I get for the home mobo? I'm no gamer, though I used to dream of such. I've been making lots if high-def videos, though, at 720p. I'd like to move to 1080p, if possible. All of the processor options are just mind boggling, it seems. I think I want to stay intel, so I'm not sure whyshould I go with this i7 line cpus? I like Gigabytes mobos, so I'm thinking I'll stay in the line (I still have two PCs with Gigabyte mobos and both seem to run fine. So, where should I buy? I don't need top of the line, but I'm thinking of running Win7 64bit with at least 4 GB of ram. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks.
Re: [H] Upgrade time: What Mobo/CPU
Anthony, Since I have updated 3 machines to Intel C2D procs, I am very happy. Do not believe you need to go all the way to Itanium 7 devices. Seems several here have had very good results with Itanium 5 devices/builds. I plan to stay with C2D until someone can convince me otherwise. :) C2D just rocks so well here for me. But, I do NOT do anything special like all the current media related activities. I am not into my PC controls my whole house and everything I might wish to do. I am NOT HAL-centric. LOL! Best, Duncan Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Folks, I need to upgrade my work computer to something more modern (which runs Win7 fine). What I'm like to do is move the mobo from my home machine to my office machine, so the new mobo would come to my home machine. This current machine has a Gigabit mobo and runs a dual core CPU 3.0 GHz. This machine gets a 5.5/7.9 on the WEI, so it handles Win7 just fine. The office machine is old, though. Pentium 4 3.6 GHz. So, what should I get for the home mobo? I'm no gamer, though I used to dream of such. I've been making lots if high-def videos, though, at 720p. I'd like to move to 1080p, if possible. All of the processor options are just mind boggling, it seems. I think I want to stay intel, so I'm not sure whyshould I go with this i7 line cpus? I like Gigabytes mobos, so I'm thinking I'll stay in the line (I still have two PCs with Gigabyte mobos and both seem to run fine. So, where should I buy? I don't need top of the line, but I'm thinking of running Win7 64bit with at least 4 GB of ram. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks.
Re: [H] Upgrade time: What Mobo/CPU
I am still damn happy with my Q6600 I bought over a year ago and overlcocked to 3GHz. But I'm guessing you are looking for something newer. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM, DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net wrote: Anthony, Since I have updated 3 machines to Intel C2D procs, I am very happy. Do not believe you need to go all the way to Itanium 7 devices. Seems several here have had very good results with Itanium 5 devices/builds. I plan to stay with C2D until someone can convince me otherwise. :) C2D just rocks so well here for me. But, I do NOT do anything special like all the current media related activities. I am not into my PC controls my whole house and everything I might wish to do. I am NOT HAL-centric. LOL! Best, Duncan Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Folks, I need to upgrade my work computer to something more modern (which runs Win7 fine). What I'm like to do is move the mobo from my home machine to my office machine, so the new mobo would come to my home machine. This current machine has a Gigabit mobo and runs a dual core CPU 3.0 GHz. This machine gets a 5.5/7.9 on the WEI, so it handles Win7 just fine. The office machine is old, though. Pentium 4 3.6 GHz. So, what should I get for the home mobo? I'm no gamer, though I used to dream of such. I've been making lots if high-def videos, though, at 720p. I'd like to move to 1080p, if possible. All of the processor options are just mind boggling, it seems. I think I want to stay intel, so I'm not sure whyshould I go with this i7 line cpus? I like Gigabytes mobos, so I'm thinking I'll stay in the line (I still have two PCs with Gigabyte mobos and both seem to run fine. So, where should I buy? I don't need top of the line, but I'm thinking of running Win7 64bit with at least 4 GB of ram. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Then IMO you are doing your customers a disservice in the current market selling them AMD solutions. Joe User wrote: Hello FORC5, Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:04:21 PM, you wrote: u guys making me feel deprived, main box and server still AMD. Still building AMD systems for customers. Hope I am not the only one supporting the supposed underdog :-) No way man, I vend AMD also... I'd say 95% of my systems are AMD. For personal I go with whatever the collective sees as best bang for the buck last time is was the E something... the core duo 3GHZ
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Hello FORC5, Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:04:21 PM, you wrote: u guys making me feel deprived, main box and server still AMD. Still building AMD systems for customers. Hope I am not the only one supporting the supposed underdog :-) No way man, I vend AMD also... I'd say 95% of my systems are AMD. For personal I go with whatever the collective sees as best bang for the buck last time is was the E something... the core duo 3GHZ -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
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Worried about AMD going bankrupt? OK, I missed that point was assuming you meant if no one buys AMD despite lack luster products that we'd loose them! AMD would not be in trouble if they weren't terrible managing business, and if they had a product worth buying besides ATI products (who they might yet run into the ground). Same poor management issues killed Commodore back in the day and they had great products. Stan Zaske wrote: You lost me at it not being an issue of a one vendor market. If AMD goes bankrupt it will be a one vendor market. maccrawj wrote: It's not an issue of a one vendor market. When AMD comes up with something good enough you can be sure the market will swing yet again to AMD's camp. What makes me laugh are all the complete power gamer PC's in EGM that only come in AMD flavors during a Intel market. Well, that and the price of said PC's being $1000 loaded with features which is flat out impossible to do still have a power gamer PC.
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Right now amd's best role is as mediacenters. I've found nothing as effective as a 780g mb + chip for a cheap mediacenter. Not even close actually on the intel side. But its still a niche market. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:37:21 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Upgrade Time Worried about AMD going bankrupt? OK, I missed that point was assuming you meant if no one buys AMD despite lack luster products that we'd loose them! AMD would not be in trouble if they weren't terrible managing business, and if they had a product worth buying besides ATI products (who they might yet run into the ground). Same poor management issues killed Commodore back in the day and they had great products. Stan Zaske wrote: You lost me at it not being an issue of a one vendor market. If AMD goes bankrupt it will be a one vendor market. maccrawj wrote: It's not an issue of a one vendor market. When AMD comes up with something good enough you can be sure the market will swing yet again to AMD's camp. What makes me laugh are all the complete power gamer PC's in EGM that only come in AMD flavors during a Intel market. Well, that and the price of said PC's being $1000 loaded with features which is flat out impossible to do still have a power gamer PC.
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u guys making me feel deprived, main box and server still AMD. Still building AMD systems for customers. Hope I am not the only one supporting the supposed underdog :-) Intel lost me with socket 775, seems ass backwards. That said am thinking of updating and have been reading intently the back and forths. Of course the second I switch sides AMD will do something to upset me. I still think for most ppl and general stuff good bang for the buck. JMO fp At 07:40 PM 10/16/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poked the stick with: Right now amd's best role is as mediacenters. I've found nothing as effective as a 780g mb + chip for a cheap mediacenter. Not even close actually on the intel side. But its still a niche market. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:37:21 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Upgrade Time Worried about AMD going bankrupt? OK, I missed that point was assuming you meant if no one buys AMD despite lack luster products that we'd loose them! AMD would not be in trouble if they weren't terrible managing business, and if they had a product worth buying besides ATI products (who they might yet run into the ground). Same poor management issues killed Commodore back in the day and they had great products. Stan Zaske wrote: You lost me at it not being an issue of a one vendor market. If AMD goes bankrupt it will be a one vendor market. maccrawj wrote: It's not an issue of a one vendor market. When AMD comes up with something good enough you can be sure the market will swing yet again to AMD's camp. What makes me laugh are all the complete power gamer PC's in EGM that only come in AMD flavors during a Intel market. Well, that and the price of said PC's being $1000 loaded with features which is flat out impossible to do still have a power gamer PC. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- How you look depends on who is looking.
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MS will fix it with the next OS. More Hp and Memory needed. :-} The other day had the op to work on a OLD 286 running a Dos data base proggy with only 256k memory. More around then one would think. Amazingly FAST FWIW fp At 09:36 PM 10/13/2008, Stan Zaske Poked the stick with: I agree that we are in the era of good enough computing and it doesn't matter how superior Core i7 is because the bottle necks are in other parts of the system and that means primarily the hard drive. I'm worried about a market with only one CPU manufacturer and what it would mean about mainstream afford ability. I have not given in to the temptation of Intel and my Athlon 5400+ BE is fast enough even without over clocking. Deneb isn't here until February or March but I too look forward to it. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Do Quarter Horses have only a single leg?
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It's not an issue of a one vendor market. When AMD comes up with something good enough you can be sure the market will swing yet again to AMD's camp. What makes me laugh are all the complete power gamer PC's in EGM that only come in AMD flavors during a Intel market. Well, that and the price of said PC's being $1000 loaded with features which is flat out impossible to do still have a power gamer PC. Stan Zaske wrote: I agree that we are in the era of good enough computing and it doesn't matter how superior Core i7 is because the bottle necks are in other parts of the system and that means primarily the hard drive. I'm worried about a market with only one CPU manufacturer and what it would mean about mainstream afford ability. I have not given in to the temptation of Intel and my Athlon 5400+ BE is fast enough even without over clocking. Deneb isn't here until February or March but I too look forward to it. Greg Sevart wrote: Oh, I completely agree--I wouldn't buy an AMD right now either. But my loyalty is thin. AMD's 45nm Deneb generation chips look to be capable of clocking fairly high. I at least allow for the possibility that tomorrow may be different--though I expect Core i7 to eat its lunch. I'm taking a wait-and-see approach before deciding on the replacement for my superb 3.6GHz Q6600. I think that some could make the argument that we are now largely in an era of good enough computing, too.
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I agree that we are in the era of good enough computing and it doesn't matter how superior Core i7 is because the bottle necks are in other parts of the system and that means primarily the hard drive. I'm Eh, that's a pretty tired argument. While it's true that disk performance has not kept pace, it isn't true to say that increases in processor performance are pointless. There are a lot of workloads that do benefit from pure CPU performance and place little emphasis on i/o--like H.264 encoding, which is the main reason I run a quad, and the main reason I'm interested in i7. worried about a market with only one CPU manufacturer and what it would mean about mainstream afford ability. I have not given in to the temptation of Intel and my Athlon 5400+ BE is fast enough even without over clocking. Deneb isn't here until February or March but I too look forward to it. And that's what it is all about. Find a product that fits your needs. The BE 5400+ may fit your needs perfectly; it doesn't fit mine. AMD doesn't offer anything right now that is a good fit for me. Insofar as the one-vendor concern, I think that with the spinoff of AMD's fabrication plants, AMD's solvency has increased such that the risk of them failing has largely evaporated. There is a tremendous debt load associated with building, running, and maintaining fabs that they've been able to shed. I do wonder, however, if moving chip manufacturing out of house will ultimately diminish AMD's ability to execute effectively. That's assuming that they're able to retain their x86 license, of course. :) Greg
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Of course this is all very preliminary and we won't get the real goods until the NDA expires next month but check this out. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=zh-CNtl=enu=http://diy.pconline.com.cn/cpu/reviews/0810/1438115.html Greg Sevart wrote: I agree that we are in the era of good enough computing and it doesn't matter how superior Core i7 is because the bottle necks are in other parts of the system and that means primarily the hard drive. I'm Eh, that's a pretty tired argument. While it's true that disk performance has not kept pace, it isn't true to say that increases in processor performance are pointless. There are a lot of workloads that do benefit from pure CPU performance and place little emphasis on i/o--like H.264 encoding, which is the main reason I run a quad, and the main reason I'm interested in i7. worried about a market with only one CPU manufacturer and what it would mean about mainstream afford ability. I have not given in to the temptation of Intel and my Athlon 5400+ BE is fast enough even without over clocking. Deneb isn't here until February or March but I too look forward to it. And that's what it is all about. Find a product that fits your needs. The BE 5400+ may fit your needs perfectly; it doesn't fit mine. AMD doesn't offer anything right now that is a good fit for me. Insofar as the one-vendor concern, I think that with the spinoff of AMD's fabrication plants, AMD's solvency has increased such that the risk of them failing has largely evaporated. There is a tremendous debt load associated with building, running, and maintaining fabs that they've been able to shed. I do wonder, however, if moving chip manufacturing out of house will ultimately diminish AMD's ability to execute effectively. That's assuming that they're able to retain their x86 license, of course. :) Greg
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You lost me at it not being an issue of a one vendor market. If AMD goes bankrupt it will be a one vendor market. maccrawj wrote: It's not an issue of a one vendor market. When AMD comes up with something good enough you can be sure the market will swing yet again to AMD's camp. What makes me laugh are all the complete power gamer PC's in EGM that only come in AMD flavors during a Intel market. Well, that and the price of said PC's being $1000 loaded with features which is flat out impossible to do still have a power gamer PC. Stan Zaske wrote: I agree that we are in the era of good enough computing and it doesn't matter how superior Core i7 is because the bottle necks are in other parts of the system and that means primarily the hard drive. I'm worried about a market with only one CPU manufacturer and what it would mean about mainstream afford ability. I have not given in to the temptation of Intel and my Athlon 5400+ BE is fast enough even without over clocking. Deneb isn't here until February or March but I too look forward to it. Greg Sevart wrote: Oh, I completely agree--I wouldn't buy an AMD right now either. But my loyalty is thin. AMD's 45nm Deneb generation chips look to be capable of clocking fairly high. I at least allow for the possibility that tomorrow may be different--though I expect Core i7 to eat its lunch. I'm taking a wait-and-see approach before deciding on the replacement for my superb 3.6GHz Q6600. I think that some could make the argument that we are now largely in an era of good enough computing, too.
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Great Stuff, Raul, pretty much definitive. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Raul Limos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dual Core CPU review: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-shootout.html Quad core: Core 2 Quad Q9300 vs Q6600: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2quad-q9300.html
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On 13 Oct 2008, at 13:09, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I started reading some of the reviews and when there's some problem that comes and goes randomly, I think not;-) the L3 cache errata isn't an issue now, the 9x50 badged parts no longer have that problem. -JB
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I started reading some of the reviews and when there's some problem that comes and goes randomly, I think not;-) On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 6:50 AM, maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROFLMAO over here! Phenom? No review I've read says anything positive about the Phenom. Cheaper is rarely better. Naushad, Zulfiqar wrote: AMD's are still great! Get a board with a 790 series North Bridge and a SB750 South Bridge and you are good to go. The Phenom X3's are tremendous value these days! (Tri-Core) The total cost of building a system will be cheaper than an Intel solution. Zulfiqar Naushad
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Not to mention that the TLB issue was stupidly overblown by the so-called enthusiast community. omg I can't o/c to 47GHz!! MUST BE TLB!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Boswell Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:19 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Upgrade Time On 13 Oct 2008, at 13:09, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I started reading some of the reviews and when there's some problem that comes and goes randomly, I think not;-) the L3 cache errata isn't an issue now, the 9x50 badged parts no longer have that problem. -JB
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Whatever, it's too little to late from AMD, I looked to build an AMD in March quickly decided Intel was a better bet, still is. It's an Intel market right now both for CPU chipsets. Greg Sevart wrote: Not to mention that the TLB issue was stupidly overblown by the so-called enthusiast community. omg I can't o/c to 47GHz!! MUST BE TLB!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Boswell Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:19 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Upgrade Time On 13 Oct 2008, at 13:09, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I started reading some of the reviews and when there's some problem that comes and goes randomly, I think not;-) the L3 cache errata isn't an issue now, the 9x50 badged parts no longer have that problem. -JB
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Oh, I completely agree--I wouldn't buy an AMD right now either. But my loyalty is thin. AMD's 45nm Deneb generation chips look to be capable of clocking fairly high. I at least allow for the possibility that tomorrow may be different--though I expect Core i7 to eat its lunch. I'm taking a wait-and-see approach before deciding on the replacement for my superb 3.6GHz Q6600. I think that some could make the argument that we are now largely in an era of good enough computing, too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of maccrawj Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:58 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Upgrade Time Whatever, it's too little to late from AMD, I looked to build an AMD in March quickly decided Intel was a better bet, still is. It's an Intel market right now both for CPU chipsets. Greg Sevart wrote: Not to mention that the TLB issue was stupidly overblown by the so- called enthusiast community. omg I can't o/c to 47GHz!! MUST BE TLB!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Boswell Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:19 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Upgrade Time On 13 Oct 2008, at 13:09, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I started reading some of the reviews and when there's some problem that comes and goes randomly, I think not;-) the L3 cache errata isn't an issue now, the 9x50 badged parts no longer have that problem. -JB
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I agree that we are in the era of good enough computing and it doesn't matter how superior Core i7 is because the bottle necks are in other parts of the system and that means primarily the hard drive. I'm worried about a market with only one CPU manufacturer and what it would mean about mainstream afford ability. I have not given in to the temptation of Intel and my Athlon 5400+ BE is fast enough even without over clocking. Deneb isn't here until February or March but I too look forward to it. Greg Sevart wrote: Oh, I completely agree--I wouldn't buy an AMD right now either. But my loyalty is thin. AMD's 45nm Deneb generation chips look to be capable of clocking fairly high. I at least allow for the possibility that tomorrow may be different--though I expect Core i7 to eat its lunch. I'm taking a wait-and-see approach before deciding on the replacement for my superb 3.6GHz Q6600. I think that some could make the argument that we are now largely in an era of good enough computing, too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of maccrawj Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:58 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Upgrade Time Whatever, it's too little to late from AMD, I looked to build an AMD in March quickly decided Intel was a better bet, still is. It's an Intel market right now both for CPU chipsets. Greg Sevart wrote: Not to mention that the TLB issue was stupidly overblown by the so- called enthusiast community. omg I can't o/c to 47GHz!! MUST BE TLB!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Boswell Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:19 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Upgrade Time On 13 Oct 2008, at 13:09, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I started reading some of the reviews and when there's some problem that comes and goes randomly, I think not;-) the L3 cache errata isn't an issue now, the 9x50 badged parts no longer have that problem. -JB
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Dual Core CPU review: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-shootout.html Quad core: Core 2 Quad Q9300 vs Q6600: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2quad-q9300.html
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ROFLMAO over here! Phenom? No review I've read says anything positive about the Phenom. Cheaper is rarely better. Naushad, Zulfiqar wrote: AMD's are still great! Get a board with a 790 series North Bridge and a SB750 South Bridge and you are good to go. The Phenom X3's are tremendous value these days! (Tri-Core) The total cost of building a system will be cheaper than an Intel solution. Zulfiqar Naushad
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1. 2 more cores, they get used fine from what I've seen. 2. with X48, I wouldn't look twice at NV chipsets. 3. ATI, no one will convince me NV cards offer more than ATI. YM/OHO MV ;) Steve Tomporowski wrote: Thanks guys for a couple of configurations to look at. My previous upgrade to a different computer I went with a 6850 over the Q6600, mainly because not much runs on Quad. With normal gaming (UT3) what would I expect from Quad? Anything? Also, are Nvidia chipsets that bad now? I know the processor/board of choice these days is Intel, does anything AMD offer worth anything? Thanks...Steve
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Is there any good place to look for benchmarks? Trying to find something on anandtech is like pulling teeth On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depends what the bottleneck is. If it's something that's using a lot of CPU cycles and is multithreaded (meaning the software is written to it can take advantage of multiple cores) then it should be great. But if you're doing something like video editing and working with massive file sizes then you also have to consider your I/O bandwidth. Doesn't matter how beefy your CPU is or how many you have if they are waiting for you to load a couple TBs from a remote disk. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Steve Tomporowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: That's actually a good reason for going quad is to be able to get a lot running at the same time and still be snappy. Which brings to mind what a quad core would do for my music production. Generally you get limited in the number of software synths running. If you were running a VST host like Cubase, would the extra cores allow you to load up on the synths? Interesting question. Steve On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right, for the most part nothing common really uses quad cores. Supreme Commander is the only game I've played recently that does that I can think of. I went with quad because at the time it was essentially the same price as the dual core and I multitask a lot with some heavy duty programs. I'm happy. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Steve Tomporowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks guys for a couple of configurations to look at. My previous upgrade to a different computer I went with a 6850 over the Q6600, mainly because not much runs on Quad. With normal gaming (UT3) what would I expect from Quad? Anything? Also, are Nvidia chipsets that bad now? I know the processor/board of choice these days is Intel, does anything AMD offer worth anything? Thanks...Steve On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I upgraded a couple months ago to a Q6600 and an Abit IX38 Quad GT mobo and I'm very happy. I had the whole struggle between quad and dual core and opted for the quad. The motheboard is one of the most stable ones I have ever had. Unlike the two 780G mobos I've had in my HTPC, both of which have been giving me nothing but problems. - Brian On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:34 AM, James Boswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E8500 Asus P5Q mainboard 4GB of DDR2-800 That should just about cover it. On 5 Oct 2008, at 14:21, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I am looking to upgrade the processor/motherboard on my 'oldest' system. It's a Neo 4 Platinum with an Athlon X2 3800+. I'm not looking for the bleeding edge, but for something that'll give me a substantial increase in speed for games. I've got an Nvidia 280 right now, so that's set. What's hot now? ThanksSteve
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On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Steve Tomporowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any good place to look for benchmarks? Trying to find something on anandtech is like pulling teeth If you're contemplating the Phenon X3s, better check out this article first: http://techreport.com/articles.x/14606/1 Another good article at the site: http://techreport.com/articles.x/14573
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Not sure. I haven't gone looking for bench marks on CPUs/mobos in a few years. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Steve Tomporowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Is there any good place to look for benchmarks? Trying to find something on anandtech is like pulling teeth On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depends what the bottleneck is. If it's something that's using a lot of CPU cycles and is multithreaded (meaning the software is written to it can take advantage of multiple cores) then it should be great. But if you're doing something like video editing and working with massive file sizes then you also have to consider your I/O bandwidth. Doesn't matter how beefy your CPU is or how many you have if they are waiting for you to load a couple TBs from a remote disk. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Steve Tomporowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's actually a good reason for going quad is to be able to get a lot running at the same time and still be snappy. Which brings to mind what a quad core would do for my music production. Generally you get limited in the number of software synths running. If you were running a VST host like Cubase, would the extra cores allow you to load up on the synths? Interesting question. Steve On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right, for the most part nothing common really uses quad cores. Supreme Commander is the only game I've played recently that does that I can think of. I went with quad because at the time it was essentially the same price as the dual core and I multitask a lot with some heavy duty programs. I'm happy. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Steve Tomporowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks guys for a couple of configurations to look at. My previous upgrade to a different computer I went with a 6850 over the Q6600, mainly because not much runs on Quad. With normal gaming (UT3) what would I expect from Quad? Anything? Also, are Nvidia chipsets that bad now? I know the processor/board of choice these days is Intel, does anything AMD offer worth anything? Thanks...Steve On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I upgraded a couple months ago to a Q6600 and an Abit IX38 Quad GT mobo and I'm very happy. I had the whole struggle between quad and dual core and opted for the quad. The motheboard is one of the most stable ones I have ever had. Unlike the two 780G mobos I've had in my HTPC, both of which have been giving me nothing but problems. - Brian On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:34 AM, James Boswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E8500 Asus P5Q mainboard 4GB of DDR2-800 That should just about cover it. On 5 Oct 2008, at 14:21, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I am looking to upgrade the processor/motherboard on my 'oldest' system. It's a Neo 4 Platinum with an Athlon X2 3800+. I'm not looking for the bleeding edge, but for something that'll give me a substantial increase in speed for games. I've got an Nvidia 280 right now, so that's set. What's hot now? ThanksSteve
Re: [H] Upgrade Time
Thanks guys for a couple of configurations to look at. My previous upgrade to a different computer I went with a 6850 over the Q6600, mainly because not much runs on Quad. With normal gaming (UT3) what would I expect from Quad? Anything? Also, are Nvidia chipsets that bad now? I know the processor/board of choice these days is Intel, does anything AMD offer worth anything? Thanks...Steve On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I upgraded a couple months ago to a Q6600 and an Abit IX38 Quad GT mobo and I'm very happy. I had the whole struggle between quad and dual core and opted for the quad. The motheboard is one of the most stable ones I have ever had. Unlike the two 780G mobos I've had in my HTPC, both of which have been giving me nothing but problems. - Brian On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:34 AM, James Boswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E8500 Asus P5Q mainboard 4GB of DDR2-800 That should just about cover it. On 5 Oct 2008, at 14:21, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I am looking to upgrade the processor/motherboard on my 'oldest' system. It's a Neo 4 Platinum with an Athlon X2 3800+. I'm not looking for the bleeding edge, but for something that'll give me a substantial increase in speed for games. I've got an Nvidia 280 right now, so that's set. What's hot now? ThanksSteve
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AMD's are still great! Get a board with a 790 series North Bridge and a SB750 South Bridge and you are good to go. The Phenom X3's are tremendous value these days! (Tri-Core) The total cost of building a system will be cheaper than an Intel solution. Zulfiqar Naushad Senior IT Consultant SIEMENS Ltd Energy Sector Oil, Gas IT Solutions P.O. Box 719, Al-Khobar, 31952 Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Phone: +966 (3) 865-9730 (*NEW) Mobile: +966 (050) 587-0964 Fax: +966 (3) 887 0165 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Tomporowski Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:25 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Upgrade Time Thanks guys for a couple of configurations to look at. My previous upgrade to a different computer I went with a 6850 over the Q6600, mainly because not much runs on Quad. With normal gaming (UT3) what would I expect from Quad? Anything? Also, are Nvidia chipsets that bad now? I know the processor/board of choice these days is Intel, does anything AMD offer worth anything? Thanks...Steve On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I upgraded a couple months ago to a Q6600 and an Abit IX38 Quad GT mobo and I'm very happy. I had the whole struggle between quad and dual core and opted for the quad. The motheboard is one of the most stable ones I have ever had. Unlike the two 780G mobos I've had in my HTPC, both of which have been giving me nothing but problems. - Brian On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:34 AM, James Boswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E8500 Asus P5Q mainboard 4GB of DDR2-800 That should just about cover it. On 5 Oct 2008, at 14:21, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I am looking to upgrade the processor/motherboard on my 'oldest' system. It's a Neo 4 Platinum with an Athlon X2 3800+. I'm not looking for the bleeding edge, but for something that'll give me a substantial increase in speed for games. I've got an Nvidia 280 right now, so that's set. What's hot now? ThanksSteve
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You're right, for the most part nothing common really uses quad cores. Supreme Commander is the only game I've played recently that does that I can think of. I went with quad because at the time it was essentially the same price as the dual core and I multitask a lot with some heavy duty programs. I'm happy. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Steve Tomporowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Thanks guys for a couple of configurations to look at. My previous upgrade to a different computer I went with a 6850 over the Q6600, mainly because not much runs on Quad. With normal gaming (UT3) what would I expect from Quad? Anything? Also, are Nvidia chipsets that bad now? I know the processor/board of choice these days is Intel, does anything AMD offer worth anything? Thanks...Steve On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I upgraded a couple months ago to a Q6600 and an Abit IX38 Quad GT mobo and I'm very happy. I had the whole struggle between quad and dual core and opted for the quad. The motheboard is one of the most stable ones I have ever had. Unlike the two 780G mobos I've had in my HTPC, both of which have been giving me nothing but problems. - Brian On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:34 AM, James Boswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E8500 Asus P5Q mainboard 4GB of DDR2-800 That should just about cover it. On 5 Oct 2008, at 14:21, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I am looking to upgrade the processor/motherboard on my 'oldest' system. It's a Neo 4 Platinum with an Athlon X2 3800+. I'm not looking for the bleeding edge, but for something that'll give me a substantial increase in speed for games. I've got an Nvidia 280 right now, so that's set. What's hot now? ThanksSteve
Re: [H] Upgrade Time
That's actually a good reason for going quad is to be able to get a lot running at the same time and still be snappy. Which brings to mind what a quad core would do for my music production. Generally you get limited in the number of software synths running. If you were running a VST host like Cubase, would the extra cores allow you to load up on the synths? Interesting question. Steve On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right, for the most part nothing common really uses quad cores. Supreme Commander is the only game I've played recently that does that I can think of. I went with quad because at the time it was essentially the same price as the dual core and I multitask a lot with some heavy duty programs. I'm happy. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Steve Tomporowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Thanks guys for a couple of configurations to look at. My previous upgrade to a different computer I went with a 6850 over the Q6600, mainly because not much runs on Quad. With normal gaming (UT3) what would I expect from Quad? Anything? Also, are Nvidia chipsets that bad now? I know the processor/board of choice these days is Intel, does anything AMD offer worth anything? Thanks...Steve On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I upgraded a couple months ago to a Q6600 and an Abit IX38 Quad GT mobo and I'm very happy. I had the whole struggle between quad and dual core and opted for the quad. The motheboard is one of the most stable ones I have ever had. Unlike the two 780G mobos I've had in my HTPC, both of which have been giving me nothing but problems. - Brian On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:34 AM, James Boswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E8500 Asus P5Q mainboard 4GB of DDR2-800 That should just about cover it. On 5 Oct 2008, at 14:21, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I am looking to upgrade the processor/motherboard on my 'oldest' system. It's a Neo 4 Platinum with an Athlon X2 3800+. I'm not looking for the bleeding edge, but for something that'll give me a substantial increase in speed for games. I've got an Nvidia 280 right now, so that's set. What's hot now? ThanksSteve
Re: [H] Upgrade Time
Depends what the bottleneck is. If it's something that's using a lot of CPU cycles and is multithreaded (meaning the software is written to it can take advantage of multiple cores) then it should be great. But if you're doing something like video editing and working with massive file sizes then you also have to consider your I/O bandwidth. Doesn't matter how beefy your CPU is or how many you have if they are waiting for you to load a couple TBs from a remote disk. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Steve Tomporowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: That's actually a good reason for going quad is to be able to get a lot running at the same time and still be snappy. Which brings to mind what a quad core would do for my music production. Generally you get limited in the number of software synths running. If you were running a VST host like Cubase, would the extra cores allow you to load up on the synths? Interesting question. Steve On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right, for the most part nothing common really uses quad cores. Supreme Commander is the only game I've played recently that does that I can think of. I went with quad because at the time it was essentially the same price as the dual core and I multitask a lot with some heavy duty programs. I'm happy. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Steve Tomporowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks guys for a couple of configurations to look at. My previous upgrade to a different computer I went with a 6850 over the Q6600, mainly because not much runs on Quad. With normal gaming (UT3) what would I expect from Quad? Anything? Also, are Nvidia chipsets that bad now? I know the processor/board of choice these days is Intel, does anything AMD offer worth anything? Thanks...Steve On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I upgraded a couple months ago to a Q6600 and an Abit IX38 Quad GT mobo and I'm very happy. I had the whole struggle between quad and dual core and opted for the quad. The motheboard is one of the most stable ones I have ever had. Unlike the two 780G mobos I've had in my HTPC, both of which have been giving me nothing but problems. - Brian On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:34 AM, James Boswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E8500 Asus P5Q mainboard 4GB of DDR2-800 That should just about cover it. On 5 Oct 2008, at 14:21, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I am looking to upgrade the processor/motherboard on my 'oldest' system. It's a Neo 4 Platinum with an Athlon X2 3800+. I'm not looking for the bleeding edge, but for something that'll give me a substantial increase in speed for games. I've got an Nvidia 280 right now, so that's set. What's hot now? ThanksSteve
Re: [H] Upgrade Time
I upgraded a couple months ago to a Q6600 and an Abit IX38 Quad GT mobo and I'm very happy. I had the whole struggle between quad and dual core and opted for the quad. The motheboard is one of the most stable ones I have ever had. Unlike the two 780G mobos I've had in my HTPC, both of which have been giving me nothing but problems. - Brian On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:34 AM, James Boswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E8500 Asus P5Q mainboard 4GB of DDR2-800 That should just about cover it. On 5 Oct 2008, at 14:21, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I am looking to upgrade the processor/motherboard on my 'oldest' system. It's a Neo 4 Platinum with an Athlon X2 3800+. I'm not looking for the bleeding edge, but for something that'll give me a substantial increase in speed for games. I've got an Nvidia 280 right now, so that's set. What's hot now? ThanksSteve
Re: [H] Upgrade Time
E8500 Asus P5Q mainboard 4GB of DDR2-800 That should just about cover it. On 5 Oct 2008, at 14:21, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I am looking to upgrade the processor/motherboard on my 'oldest' system. It's a Neo 4 Platinum with an Athlon X2 3800+. I'm not looking for the bleeding edge, but for something that'll give me a substantial increase in speed for games. I've got an Nvidia 280 right now, so that's set. What's hot now? ThanksSteve
