[hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello, Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, without even so much as the decency to tell us. 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians who are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that Pacific rimming that's going on. 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 digits. Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed teenagers and haxors. 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and wise, they're community is going to be too smug. 4) Servers running FF. 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there is 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 odd man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of Valve. 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be wrong, they're all hacking. 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all in Washington State. 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the total number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to server admins" as their server name. Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Supposed to be funny ? zzzZZZzzz On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Hello, > > > > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > > > > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians > who > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that > Pacific rimming that's going on. > > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 > digits. > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed > teenagers and haxors. > > 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and > wise, > they're community is going to be too smug. > > 4) Servers running FF. > > 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there > is > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 > odd > man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding > communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of Valve. > > 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be > wrong, they're all hacking. > > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all in > Washington State. > > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the > total > number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! > > 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. > > 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to > server admins" as their server name. > > > > > > > > Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? > > > > > > > > -- > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ... black holes are where god divided by zero. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to reply. A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die. You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the lists in future. This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has happened in the past. Chris Barnett wrote: > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Hello, > > > > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > > > > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians who > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that > Pacific rimming that's going on. > > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 digits. > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed > teenagers and haxors. > > 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and wise, > they're community is going to be too smug. > > 4) Servers running FF. > > 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there is > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 odd > man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding > communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of Valve. > > 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be > wrong, they're all hacking. > > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all in > Washington State. > > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the total > number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! > > 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. > > 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to > server admins" as their server name. > > > > > > > > Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? > > > > > > > > -- > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Explain to me genius how you forseen Valve removing servers off the master list servers? You didn't. Therefore, none of us, can make the guarantee that Valve won't remove servers from the list in future. If Valve can't guarantee, that they won't remove servers from the list in future. Then why should we bother running servers? Are we now supposed to check every day that our server is on the list? If our server is not on the list, can we expect some "helpful" soul like you to wave the magic wand and enlighten us all as to why our servers our missing of the server list? If you had bothered to stop and actually use that brain of yours, you would understand that Valves latest act of treachery against the server admin community is an absolute ing disgrace and I'm well within my rights to be angry. Oh yeah. To the individual who loves to dish out revelations that customers have no place in making demands or have any rights to make demands. Erh yes we do. They don't call it "customer demand" for nothing. "I AS LOYAL CUSTOMER DEMAND THAT VALVE DROPS IT'S STUPID ACT OF ING OVER SERVER ADMINS AT EVERY CORNER" There you go. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kyrios Sent: 15 October 2007 17:23 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Supposed to be funny ? zzzZZZzzz On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Hello, > > > > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > > > > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians > who > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that > Pacific rimming that's going on. > > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 > digits. > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed > teenagers and haxors. > > 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and > wise, > they're community is going to be too smug. > > 4) Servers running FF. > > 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there > is > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 > odd > man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding > communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of Valve. > > 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be > wrong, they're all hacking. > > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all in > Washington State. > > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the > total > number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! > > 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. > > 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to > server admins" as their server name. > > > > > > > > Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? > > > > > > > > -- > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ... black holes are where god divided by zero. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has happened in the past. Chris Barnett wrote: This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello, Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, without even so much as the decency to tell us. 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians who are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that Pacific rimming that's going on. 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 digits. Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed teenagers and haxors. 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and wise, they're community is going to be too smug. 4) Servers running FF. 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there is 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 odd man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of Valve. 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be wrong, they're all hacking. 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all in Washington State. 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the total number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to server admins" as their server name. Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
I think people just need to grow up. Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player limit. They can and will do whats in their best interest and/or needs. They never intended (at this time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out. They have the right to do so. Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing you to do anything. --- Kyrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Supposed to be funny ? > > > > zzzZZZzzz > > On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will > randomly filter out next, > > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > > > > > > > > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's > those pesky Australians > > who > > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be > embarrassing for Valve. Those > > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter > balance all of that > > Pacific rimming that's going on. > > > > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number > of players with 8 > > digits. > > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all > noobs, snotty nosed > > teenagers and haxors. > > > > 3) Servers outside the Western United States > that have an unusually > > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server > attracts the old and > > wise, > > they're community is going to be too smug. > > > > 4) Servers running FF. > > > > 5) Servers that sends the player into a > different world where there > > is > > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been > sad enough to invest 500 > > odd > > man hours into creating a work of art, not to > mention the modding > > communities whose total output dwarfs anything > that has come out of Valve. > > > > 6) Servers that attract the top players. > C'mon something has to be > > wrong, they're all hacking. > > > > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No > scrub that, they're all in > > Washington State. > > > > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, > which lies about the > > total > > number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 > are advertised!!! > > > > 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for > minors. > > > > 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say > "Valve doesn't listen to > > server admins" as their server name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > -- > ... black holes are where god divided by zero. > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view > the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
In your opinion ...I can state mine...if you don't like itwell...you can simmer... Oh and please grow up. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Leissler Sent: 15 October 2007 17:33 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I think people just need to grow up. Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player limit. They can and will do whats in their best interest and/or needs. They never intended (at this time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out. They have the right to do so. Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing you to do anything. --- Kyrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Supposed to be funny ? > > > > zzzZZZzzz > > On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will > randomly filter out next, > > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > > > > > > > > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's > those pesky Australians > > who > > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be > embarrassing for Valve. Those > > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter > balance all of that > > Pacific rimming that's going on. > > > > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number > of players with 8 > > digits. > > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all > noobs, snotty nosed > > teenagers and haxors. > > > > 3) Servers outside the Western United States > that have an unusually > > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server > attracts the old and > > wise, > > they're community is going to be too smug. > > > > 4) Servers running FF. > > > > 5) Servers that sends the player into a > different world where there > > is > > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been > sad enough to invest 500 > > odd > > man hours into creating a work of art, not to > mention the modding > > communities whose total output dwarfs anything > that has come out of Valve. > > > > 6) Servers that attract the top players. > C'mon something has to be > > wrong, they're all hacking. > > > > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No > scrub that, they're all in > > Washington State. > > > > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, > which lies about the > > total > > number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 > are advertised!!! > > > > 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for > minors. > > > > 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say > "Valve doesn't listen to > > server admins" as their server name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > -- > ... black holes are where god divided by zero. > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view > the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Agreed. It should not be a requirement that a server admin running mods must check to see if his server is still listed. I do acknowledge that there may be reasons for Valve to limit the player count to 24 (in reality I like the decision). However, I run an admin mod on my server and I don't want it being removed without any notification. The lack of a heads-up is what many are unhappy about and justifiably so. Valve supports running mods on their servers They release an SDK for explicitly this purpose. Actions that delist servers running particular mods should be announced. Nolan On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Explain to me genius how you forseen Valve removing servers off the master > list servers? > > You didn't. > > Therefore, none of us, can make the guarantee that Valve won't remove > servers from the list in future. > > If Valve can't guarantee, that they won't remove servers from the list in > future. Then why should we bother running servers? > > Are we now supposed to check every day that our server is on the list? > > If our server is not on the list, can we expect some "helpful" soul like > you > to wave the magic wand and enlighten us all as to why our servers our > missing of the server list? > > If you had bothered to stop and actually use that brain of yours, you > would > understand that Valves latest act of treachery against the server admin > community is an absolute ing disgrace and I'm well within my rights to > be angry. > > Oh yeah. To the individual who loves to dish out revelations that > customers > have no place in making demands or have any rights to make demands. > > Erh yes we do. They don't call it "customer demand" for nothing. > > "I AS LOYAL CUSTOMER DEMAND THAT VALVE DROPS IT'S STUPID ACT OF ING > OVER > SERVER ADMINS AT EVERY CORNER" > > There you go. > > :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kyrios > Sent: 15 October 2007 17:23 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Supposed to be funny ? > > > > zzzZZZzzz > > On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, > > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > > > > > > > > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians > > who > > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. > Those > > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that > > Pacific rimming that's going on. > > > > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 > > digits. > > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed > > teenagers and haxors. > > > > 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually > > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and > > wise, > > they're community is going to be too smug. > > > > 4) Servers running FF. > > > > 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there > > is > > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 > > odd > > man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding > > communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of > Valve. > > > > 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be > > wrong, they're all hacking. > > > > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all > in > > Washington State. > > > > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the > > total > > number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! > > > > 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. > > > > 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen > to > > server admins" as their server name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
The cvar for low grav was never implemented on TF2 in the first place. It was never "removed" and you would have been the first to download a plugin if that plugin had gotten around it. *Then* at that point, you would have been the first to complain *if* it had been servers with a low-grav / hack / plugin that was deliberately pulled from the list. Don't you understand what is at stake here? Answer this question please: How can I ensure that my server is left on the freakin server list in future? Valve are taking the piss. They are taking it to a new level and upping the stakes to tell all server admins that their servers can be removed from the list at anytime, if their servers are not 100% vanilla. Who the is going to want to run a 100% vanilla server other than for professional matches? Thanks. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix Sent: 15 October 2007 18:03 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. And beating a dead horse wont resurrect him. I ran a low grav server, and they took away that cvar. Our community is pissed, but you dont see me sending out a gazillion emails. Valve will never respond, just like they havent in the past. If they dont respond, then their is no problem. Like I said, get over it. People sending emails isnt going to do anything. Chris Barnett wrote: > If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to > reply. > > A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die. > > You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the lists > in future. > > This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next. > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix > Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has > happened in the past. > > Chris Barnett wrote: > >> This is a multipart message in MIME format. >> -- >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >> Hello, >> >> >> >> Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, >> without even so much as the decency to tell us. >> >> >> >> 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians >> > who > >> are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those >> Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that >> Pacific rimming that's going on. >> >> 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 >> > digits. > >> Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed >> teenagers and haxors. >> >> 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually >> high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and >> > wise, > >> they're community is going to be too smug. >> >> 4) Servers running FF. >> >> 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there >> > is > >> 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 >> > odd > >> man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding >> communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of Valve. >> >> 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be >> wrong, they're all hacking. >> >> 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all in >> Washington State. >> >> 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the >> > total > >> number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! >> >> 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. >> >> 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to >> server admins" as their server name. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, &g
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Most plugins will change the intended parameters, therefore what you are saying is that the only way one can guarantee his server will stay on the list, is to run a vanilla server. You will find that over time, most server admins will not want to run a vanilla server AND the long term survival of TF2 will need mod community to survive Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DLinkOZ Sent: 15 October 2007 18:14 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Actually, I run my server within the intended parameters and I can be incredibly sure that it will forever show up on the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:54 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to reply. A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die. You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the lists in future. This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has happened in the past. Chris Barnett wrote: > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Hello, > > > > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > > > > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians who > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that > Pacific rimming that's going on. > > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 digits. > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed > teenagers and haxors. > > 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and wise, > they're community is going to be too smug. > > 4) Servers running FF. > > 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there is > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 odd > man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding > communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of Valve. > > 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be > wrong, they're all hacking. > > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all in > Washington State. > > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the total > number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! > > 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. > > 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to > server admins" as their server name. > > > > > > > > Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? > > > > > > > > -- > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Type in sv_gravity and youll get back "unknown command" Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: Low gravity is not removed. -Original Message- From: Hell Phoenix [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:03 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. And beating a dead horse wont resurrect him. I ran a low grav server, and they took away that cvar. Our community is pissed, but you dont see me sending out a gazillion emails. Valve will never respond, just like they havent in the past. If they dont respond, then their is no problem. Like I said, get over it. People sending emails isnt going to do anything. Chris Barnett wrote: If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to reply. A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die. You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the lists in future. This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has happened in the past. Chris Barnett wrote: This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello, Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, without even so much as the decency to tell us. 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians who are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that Pacific rimming that's going on. 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 digits. Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed teenagers and haxors. 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and wise, they're community is going to be too smug. 4) Servers running FF. 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there is 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 odd man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of Valve. 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be wrong, they're all hacking. 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all in Washington State. 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the total number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to server admins" as their server name. Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be discussed then lets at least do it sensibly. Anyway. Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods from the lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods that allow 32 players. It occurs to me they must have a reason for this (it is not as if it appears to be a particularly harmful mod). I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing servers running any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from Valve. Either they are not going to say anything or there is a reason for the silence. There could still be a very valid reason for removing the 32 man capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never know. If not being able to run 32 man servers is putting many people off running servers, or if it is killing many communities or if it is putting many players off the game because they can only play with 24 people I have no idea - but I would hazard it is not very many. Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should look to getting what we have on offer running stably and get some good mods going :) I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for one community 3 for another) and they are all starting to hit their maxes - so it is going well. The 7th server I launched yesterday as the others were getting full. That's working out as better solution for the communities than 6 32 man servers actually. Tom -- From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM To: Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Oh and Jonathon, Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken note. When you're server and you're community is affected by Valves heavy handed arrogance, we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow. You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we. S. What makes you think your server is going to be immune forever? What's that you said? You are going to keeps yours vanilla? TF2. R.I.P. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Leissler Sent: 15 October 2007 17:33 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I think people just need to grow up. Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player limit. They can and will do whats in their best interest and/or needs. They never intended (at this time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out. They have the right to do so. Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing you to do anything. --- Kyrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Supposed to be funny ? zzzZZZzzz On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Hello, > > > > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > > > > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians > who > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that > Pacific rimming that's going on. > > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 > digits. > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed > teenagers and haxors. > > 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and > wise, > they're community is going to be too smug. > > 4) Servers running FF. > > 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there > is > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 > odd > man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding > communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of Valve. > > 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be > wrong, they're all hacking. > > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all in > Washington State. > > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the > total > number of availabl
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
First and only reply to this discussion. I agree with the below. I think someone isn't understanding the word Customer. Since when did they start selling the server files? Also Valve isn't the first company to "delist" servers. It was actually easy for Valve to do this as it was just a max player filter. Now think about EA in 05 with they released the BF2 Demo. The files were "hacked" as some call modified. Unlike here where a dll had to be modified, or a mod set in place, with BF2 they were plain text python files which had to have a couple variables changed. Guess what, EA didn't like it, then they started banning IPs from their server list. The only difference I see here is after about a week, EA did make a public statement about it after A lot of admins complained "in forums" their servers were not listed. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Leissler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:33 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I think people just need to grow up. Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player limit. They can and will do whats in their best interest and/or needs. They never intended (at this time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out. They have the right to do so. Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing you to do anything. --- Kyrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Supposed to be funny ? > > > > zzzZZZzzz > > On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will > randomly filter out next, > > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > > > > > > > > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's > those pesky Australians > > who > > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be > embarrassing for Valve. Those > > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter > balance all of that > > Pacific rimming that's going on. > > > > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number > of players with 8 > > digits. > > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all > noobs, snotty nosed > > teenagers and haxors. > > > > 3) Servers outside the Western United States > that have an unusually > > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server > attracts the old and > > wise, > > they're community is going to be too smug. > > > > 4) Servers running FF. > > > > 5) Servers that sends the player into a > different world where there > > is > > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been > sad enough to invest 500 > > odd > > man hours into creating a work of art, not to > mention the modding > > communities whose total output dwarfs anything > that has come out of Valve. > > > > 6) Servers that attract the top players. > C'mon something has to be > > wrong, they're all hacking. > > > > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No > scrub that, they're all in > > Washington State. > > > > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, > which lies about the > > total > > number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 > are advertised!!! > > > > 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for > minors. > > > > 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say > "Valve doesn't listen to > > server admins" as their server name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > -- > ... black holes are where god divided by zero. > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view > the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Thanks Chris, Hopefully people will actually get the point which isn't about 32 slots although thats the change which was made this time.. The point is Valve need to let us know when they are going to change something which is going to impact upon the running of our servers. The "not modding" & "3rd Party" mod comments are actually quite funny.. where would Valve be without modding :) Your's flogging a dead horse -Tim http://www.telisphere.com/~cearley/sean/camps/first.html > Message: 7 > From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:47:26 +0100 > Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Explain to me genius how you forseen Valve removing servers off the master > list servers? > > You didn't. > > Therefore, none of us, can make the guarantee that Valve won't remove > servers from the list in future. > > If Valve can't guarantee, that they won't remove servers from the list in > future. Then why should we bother running servers? > > Are we now supposed to check every day that our server is on the list? > > If our server is not on the list, can we expect some "helpful" soul like you > to wave the magic wand and enlighten us all as to why our servers our > missing of the server list? > > If you had bothered to stop and actually use that brain of yours, you would > understand that Valves latest act of treachery against the server admin > community is an absolute ing disgrace and I'm well within my rights to > be angry. > > Oh yeah. To the individual who loves to dish out revelations that customers > have no place in making demands or have any rights to make demands. > > Erh yes we do. They don't call it "customer demand" for nothing. > > "I AS LOYAL CUSTOMER DEMAND THAT VALVE DROPS IT'S STUPID ACT OF ING OVER > SERVER ADMINS AT EVERY CORNER" > > There you go. > > :-) > > > > -Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kyrios > Sent: 15 October 2007 17:23 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Supposed to be funny ? > > > > zzzZZZzzz > > On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, > > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > > > > > > > > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians > > who > > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those > > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that > > Pacific rimming that's going on. > > > > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 > > digits. > > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed > > teenagers and haxors. > > > > 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually > > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and > > wise, > > they're community is going to be too smug. > > > > 4) Servers running FF. > > > > 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there > > is > > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 > > odd > > man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding > > communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of Valve. > > > > 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be > > wrong, they're all hacking. > > > > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all in > > Washington State. > > > > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the > > total > > number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! > > > > 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. > > > > 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to > > server admins" as their server name. > > > &
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Low gravity is not removed. -Original Message- From: Hell Phoenix [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:03 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. And beating a dead horse wont resurrect him. I ran a low grav server, and they took away that cvar. Our community is pissed, but you dont see me sending out a gazillion emails. Valve will never respond, just like they havent in the past. If they dont respond, then their is no problem. Like I said, get over it. People sending emails isnt going to do anything. Chris Barnett wrote: > If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to > reply. > > A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die. > > You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the lists > in future. > > This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next. > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix > Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has > happened in the past. > > Chris Barnett wrote: > >> This is a multipart message in MIME format. >> -- >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >> Hello, >> >> >> >> Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, >> without even so much as the decency to tell us. >> >> >> >> 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians >> > who > >> are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those >> Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that >> Pacific rimming that's going on. >> >> 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 >> > digits. > >> Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed >> teenagers and haxors. >> >> 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually >> high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and >> > wise, > >> they're community is going to be too smug. >> >> 4) Servers running FF. >> >> 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there >> > is > >> 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 >> > odd > >> man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding >> communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of Valve. >> >> 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be >> wrong, they're all hacking. >> >> 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all in >> Washington State. >> >> 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the >> > total > >> number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! >> >> 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. >> >> 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to >> server admins" as their server name. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Actually, I run my server within the intended parameters and I can be incredibly sure that it will forever show up on the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:54 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to reply. A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die. You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the lists in future. This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has happened in the past. Chris Barnett wrote: > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Hello, > > > > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > > > > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians who > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that > Pacific rimming that's going on. > > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 digits. > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed > teenagers and haxors. > > 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and wise, > they're community is going to be too smug. > > 4) Servers running FF. > > 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there is > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 odd > man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding > communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of Valve. > > 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be > wrong, they're all hacking. > > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all in > Washington State. > > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the total > number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! > > 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. > > 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to > server admins" as their server name. > > > > > > > > Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? > > > > > > > > -- > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Gawd not another thread... We were able to run beta... then came release day. Whats the big deal they set a limit? I've run 20 thru 32 slots and 24 seems to be plenty. You comment, "Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed teenagers and haxors". Any 32 player server I've ever been on is exactly that, n00bs and bots etc. this is silly... - Original Message From: Jonathan Leissler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:32:35 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I think people just need to grow up. Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing you to do anything. --- Kyrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Supposed to be funny ? > > > > zzzZZZzzz > > On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will > randomly filter out next, > > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > > > > > > > > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's > those pesky Australians > > who > > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be > embarrassing for Valve. Those > > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter > balance all of that > > Pacific rimming that's going on. > > > > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number > of players with 8 > > digits. > > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all > noobs, snotty nosed > > teenagers and haxors. > > > > 3) Servers outside the Western United States > that have an unusually > > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server > attracts the old and > > wise, > > they're community is going to be too smug. > > > > 4) Servers running FF. > > > > 5) Servers that sends the player into a > different world where there > > is > > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been > sad enough to invest 500 > > odd > > man hours into creating a work of art, not to > mention the modding > > communities whose total output dwarfs anything > that has come out of Valve. > > > > 6) Servers that attract the top players. > C'mon something has to be > > wrong, they're all hacking. > > > > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No > scrub that, they're all in > > Washington State. > > > > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, > which lies about the > > total > > number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 > are advertised!!! > > > > 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for > minors. > > > > 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say > "Valve doesn't listen to > > server admins" as their server name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > -- > ... black holes are where god divided by zero. > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view > the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
And beating a dead horse wont resurrect him. I ran a low grav server, and they took away that cvar. Our community is pissed, but you dont see me sending out a gazillion emails. Valve will never respond, just like they havent in the past. If they dont respond, then their is no problem. Like I said, get over it. People sending emails isnt going to do anything. Chris Barnett wrote: If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to reply. A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die. You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the lists in future. This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has happened in the past. Chris Barnett wrote: This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello, Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, without even so much as the decency to tell us. 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians who are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that Pacific rimming that's going on. 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 digits. Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed teenagers and haxors. 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and wise, they're community is going to be too smug. 4) Servers running FF. 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there is 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 odd man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of Valve. 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be wrong, they're all hacking. 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all in Washington State. 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the total number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to server admins" as their server name. Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Oh and Jonathon, Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken note. When you're server and you're community is affected by Valves heavy handed arrogance, we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow. You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we. S. What makes you think your server is going to be immune forever? What's that you said? You are going to keeps yours vanilla? TF2. R.I.P. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Leissler Sent: 15 October 2007 17:33 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I think people just need to grow up. Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player limit. They can and will do whats in their best interest and/or needs. They never intended (at this time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out. They have the right to do so. Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing you to do anything. --- Kyrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Supposed to be funny ? > > > > zzzZZZzzz > > On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will > randomly filter out next, > > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > > > > > > > > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's > those pesky Australians > > who > > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be > embarrassing for Valve. Those > > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter > balance all of that > > Pacific rimming that's going on. > > > > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number > of players with 8 > > digits. > > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all > noobs, snotty nosed > > teenagers and haxors. > > > > 3) Servers outside the Western United States > that have an unusually > > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server > attracts the old and > > wise, > > they're community is going to be too smug. > > > > 4) Servers running FF. > > > > 5) Servers that sends the player into a > different world where there > > is > > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been > sad enough to invest 500 > > odd > > man hours into creating a work of art, not to > mention the modding > > communities whose total output dwarfs anything > that has come out of Valve. > > > > 6) Servers that attract the top players. > C'mon something has to be > > wrong, they're all hacking. > > > > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No > scrub that, they're all in > > Washington State. > > > > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, > which lies about the > > total > > number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 > are advertised!!! > > > > 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for > minors. > > > > 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say > "Valve doesn't listen to > > server admins" as their server name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > -- > ... black holes are where god divided by zero. > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view > the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
This is sillyyeah but then...wasn't deliberately making 32 perfectly viable and well played 32 slot servers, unviable by filtering them out of the list, a bit silly? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Whelan Sent: 15 October 2007 18:10 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Gawd not another thread... We were able to run beta... then came release day. Whats the big deal they set a limit? I've run 20 thru 32 slots and 24 seems to be plenty. You comment, "Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed teenagers and haxors". Any 32 player server I've ever been on is exactly that, n00bs and bots etc. this is silly... - Original Message From: Jonathan Leissler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:32:35 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I think people just need to grow up. Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing you to do anything. --- Kyrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Supposed to be funny ? > > > > zzzZZZzzz > > On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will > randomly filter out next, > > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > > > > > > > > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's > those pesky Australians > > who > > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be > embarrassing for Valve. Those > > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter > balance all of that > > Pacific rimming that's going on. > > > > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number > of players with 8 > > digits. > > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all > noobs, snotty nosed > > teenagers and haxors. > > > > 3) Servers outside the Western United States > that have an unusually > > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server > attracts the old and > > wise, > > they're community is going to be too smug. > > > > 4) Servers running FF. > > > > 5) Servers that sends the player into a > different world where there > > is > > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been > sad enough to invest 500 > > odd > > man hours into creating a work of art, not to > mention the modding > > communities whose total output dwarfs anything > that has come out of Valve. > > > > 6) Servers that attract the top players. > C'mon something has to be > > wrong, they're all hacking. > > > > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No > scrub that, they're all in > > Washington State. > > > > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, > which lies about the > > total > > number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 > are advertised!!! > > > > 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for > minors. > > > > 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say > "Valve doesn't listen to > > server admins" as their server name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > -- > ... black holes are where god divided by zero. > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view > the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
WRONG! We were running a beta low grav server until the update or two before the final release (the same one that killed 32 player servers). You dont have to run a vanilla server...just one that doesnt hack the dll in memory (or use a hacked dll). Chris Barnett wrote: The cvar for low grav was never implemented on TF2 in the first place. It was never "removed" and you would have been the first to download a plugin if that plugin had gotten around it. *Then* at that point, you would have been the first to complain *if* it had been servers with a low-grav / hack / plugin that was deliberately pulled from the list. Don't you understand what is at stake here? Answer this question please: How can I ensure that my server is left on the freakin server list in future? Valve are taking the piss. They are taking it to a new level and upping the stakes to tell all server admins that their servers can be removed from the list at anytime, if their servers are not 100% vanilla. Who the is going to want to run a 100% vanilla server other than for professional matches? Thanks. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix Sent: 15 October 2007 18:03 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. And beating a dead horse wont resurrect him. I ran a low grav server, and they took away that cvar. Our community is pissed, but you dont see me sending out a gazillion emails. Valve will never respond, just like they havent in the past. If they dont respond, then their is no problem. Like I said, get over it. People sending emails isnt going to do anything. Chris Barnett wrote: If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to reply. A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die. You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the lists in future. This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has happened in the past. Chris Barnett wrote: This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello, Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, without even so much as the decency to tell us. 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians who are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that Pacific rimming that's going on. 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 digits. Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed teenagers and haxors. 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and wise, they're community is going to be too smug. 4) Servers running FF. 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there is 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 odd man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of Valve. 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be wrong, they're all hacking. 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all in Washington State. 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the total number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to server admins" as their server name. Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __
Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
"How can I ensure that my server is left on the freakin server list in future?" Simple: dont try and run it as 32 man if Valve kill of any other servers running mods then I will eat my hat. They haven't even done that here.. they just changed the master server list to filter out anything reporting in at over 24 slots Also: "Most plugins will change the intended parameters, therefore what you are saying is that the only way one can guarantee his server will stay on the list, is to run a vanilla server." That's not strictly true at all! First off it would be nearly impossible to kill by a specific mod - the mod's could easily just change their signatures and thus avoid detection. Ok if they change core server parameters yes it would be possible but lots and lots of mods just don't do this... (AFAIK) Tom -- From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:27 PM To: Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Most plugins will change the intended parameters, therefore what you are saying is that the only way one can guarantee his server will stay on the list, is to run a vanilla server. You will find that over time, most server admins will not want to run a vanilla server AND the long term survival of TF2 will need mod community to survive Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DLinkOZ Sent: 15 October 2007 18:14 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Actually, I run my server within the intended parameters and I can be incredibly sure that it will forever show up on the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:54 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to reply. A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die. You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the lists in future. This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has happened in the past. Chris Barnett wrote: This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello, Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, without even so much as the decency to tell us. 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians who are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that Pacific rimming that's going on. 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 digits. Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed teenagers and haxors. 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and wise, they're community is going to be too smug. 4) Servers running FF. 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there is 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 odd man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of Valve. 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be wrong, they're all hacking. 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all in Washington State. 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the total number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to server admins" as their server name. Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Compile: ConVar *sv_gravity = cvar->FindVar("sv_gravity");
And you'll get back a non-null result. The CVAR is still there.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:29 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the
steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Type in sv_gravity and youll get back "unknown command"
Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
> Low gravity is not removed.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hell Phoenix [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:03 PM
> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the
> steam master servers, without any annoucment.
>
> And beating a dead horse wont resurrect him. I ran a low grav server,
> and they took away that cvar. Our community is pissed, but you dont see
> me sending out a gazillion emails. Valve will never respond, just like
> they havent in the past. If they dont respond, then their is no
> problem. Like I said, get over it. People sending emails isnt going to
> do anything.
>
> Chris Barnett wrote:
>
>> If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to
>> reply.
>>
>> A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die.
>>
>> You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the
>>
> lists
>
>> in future.
>>
>> This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix
>> Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36
>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the
>> steam master servers, without any annoucment.
>>
>> Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has
>> happened in the past.
>>
>> Chris Barnett wrote:
>>
>>
>>> This is a multipart message in MIME format.
>>> --
>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next,
>>> without even so much as the decency to tell us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians
>>>
>>>
>> who
>>
>>
>>> are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve.
Those
>>> Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that
>>> Pacific rimming that's going on.
>>>
>>> 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8
>>>
>>>
>> digits.
>>
>>
>>> Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed
>>> teenagers and haxors.
>>>
>>> 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually
>>> high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and
>>>
>>>
>> wise,
>>
>>
>>> they're community is going to be too smug.
>>>
>>> 4) Servers running FF.
>>>
>>> 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there
>>>
>>>
>> is
>>
>>
>>> 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500
>>>
>>>
>> odd
>>
>>
>>> man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding
>>> communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of
>>>
> Valve.
>
>>> 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be
>>> wrong, they're all hacking.
>>>
>>> 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all
>>>
> in
>
>>> Washington State.
>>>
>>> 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the
>>>
>>>
>> total
>>
>>
>>> number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!!
>>>
>>> 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors.
>>>
>>> 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen
to
>>> server admins" as their server name.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
I couldn't give a flying fig what E.A. do with their customers. Why is it when people bring up perfectly valid points certain people decide to play the legal angle : "Valve are within their rights to xyz" Well. I'm a Valve customer and I'm well within my rights, to say that they are royally screwing over the server admins here. The situation that we are left in, here and now, is that any set of servers can be de-listed if they have any mods installed on them whatsoever as there is no written clarification from Valve on this. That means server admins are left with a stark choice. Run the server vanilla and unmodified or just follow the crowd and take the easy option of running vanilla. TF2 is an experiement for Valve. They want to see what happens if they take away control from the admins. Well, I'm shutting down my TF2 server. I'm sticking to CS:S and if the rape the CS:S server on it's way over to OrangeBox then I'll shut down my CS:S server. The way a server is run, the way it's adminned, the mods, the players are just as important as the game itself and Valve doesn't seem to want to admit that and they always cast those facts aside and they are going out of their way to do so with TF2. I don't think there is going to be much modding going on with TF2 and that's not healthy for the games long term future. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: 15 October 2007 18:19 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. First and only reply to this discussion. I agree with the below. I think someone isn't understanding the word Customer. Since when did they start selling the server files? Also Valve isn't the first company to "delist" servers. It was actually easy for Valve to do this as it was just a max player filter. Now think about EA in 05 with they released the BF2 Demo. The files were "hacked" as some call modified. Unlike here where a dll had to be modified, or a mod set in place, with BF2 they were plain text python files which had to have a couple variables changed. Guess what, EA didn't like it, then they started banning IPs from their server list. The only difference I see here is after about a week, EA did make a public statement about it after A lot of admins complained "in forums" their servers were not listed. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Leissler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:33 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I think people just need to grow up. Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player limit. They can and will do whats in their best interest and/or needs. They never intended (at this time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out. They have the right to do so. Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing you to do anything. --- Kyrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Supposed to be funny ? > > > > zzzZZZzzz > > On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will > randomly filter out next, > > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > > > > > > > > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's > those pesky Australians > > who > > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be > embarrassing for Valve. Those > > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter > balance all of that > > Pacific rimming that's going on. > > > > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number > of players with 8 > > digits. > > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all > noobs, snotty nosed > > teenagers and haxors. > > > > 3) Servers outside the Western United States > that have an unusually > > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server > attracts the old and > > wise, > > they're community is going to be too smug. > > > > 4) Servers running FF. > > > > 5) Servers that sends the player into a > different world where there > > is > > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been > sad enough to invest 500 > > odd > > man hours into creating a work of art, not to > mention the modding > > communities whose to
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Thomas, I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada yada" As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know what they are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM REASON" to why they are removing servers from the list? With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod servers from the list, but you might find that your server has been removed because Valve didn't like a side effect of a particular metamod plugin. If they don't give us a clue as to what the rules are, then we have to assume that any plugin is a risk. It doesn't matter how valid anyone thinks any reason the master list removal is. If server admins become scared to install plugins, because they don't know whether that plugin will incur the wrath of valves list server, then why bother writing and installing plugins? If you are happy with running 7 vanilla servers for the next 5 years, good for you. I'm not doing it and there are loads of others who won't. I'll feel sorry for you, when years down the line, they are all broken overnight, because Valve had petty reasons they deemed more important than you and your gaming community. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: 15 October 2007 18:21 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be discussed then lets at least do it sensibly. Anyway. Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods from the lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods that allow 32 players. It occurs to me they must have a reason for this (it is not as if it appears to be a particularly harmful mod). I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing servers running any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from Valve. Either they are not going to say anything or there is a reason for the silence. There could still be a very valid reason for removing the 32 man capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never know. If not being able to run 32 man servers is putting many people off running servers, or if it is killing many communities or if it is putting many players off the game because they can only play with 24 people I have no idea - but I would hazard it is not very many. Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should look to getting what we have on offer running stably and get some good mods going :) I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for one community 3 for another) and they are all starting to hit their maxes - so it is going well. The 7th server I launched yesterday as the others were getting full. That's working out as better solution for the communities than 6 32 man servers actually. Tom -- From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM To: Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > Oh and Jonathon, > > Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken note. When > you're > server and you're community is affected by Valves heavy handed arrogance, > we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow. > > You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we. > S. > > What makes you think your server is going to be immune forever? > > What's that you said? You are going to keeps yours vanilla? > > TF2. R.I.P. > > > Chris. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Leissler > Sent: 15 October 2007 17:33 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > I think people just need to grow up. > > Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player > limit. They can and will do whats in their best > interest and/or needs. They never intended (at this > time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out. > They have the right to do so. > > Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is > forcing you to
Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex edit/hack or something like that. It was a normal plugin --> And my server is still removed from the serverlist. Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, but remove their servers if they use it... great! What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... Two options: - Shut down my server to run something else - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on my server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a not needed server --> Shut down to run something else... grr > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von > Thomas Morton > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be > discussed then lets at least do it sensibly. > > Anyway. > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods > from the lists, they have apparently removed servers running > mods that allow 32 players. It occurs to me they must have a > reason for this (it is not as if it appears to be a > particularly harmful mod). > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing > servers running any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source > anyone?? :P). So far there has been no reason for this > removal - nothing from Valve. Either they are not going to > say anything or there is a reason for the silence. There > could still be a very valid reason for removing the 32 man > capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). > > Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never > know. If not being able to run 32 man servers is putting many > people off running servers, or if it is killing many > communities or if it is putting many players off the game > because they can only play with 24 people I have no idea - > but I would hazard it is not very many. > > Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being > - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should > look to getting what we have on offer running stably and get > some good mods going :) I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for > one community 3 for another) and they are all starting to hit > their maxes - so it is going well. The 7th server I launched > yesterday as the others were getting full. That's working > out as better solution for the communities than 6 32 man > servers actually. > Tom > > ------------------ > From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM > To: > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > Oh and Jonathon, > > > > Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken > note. When > > you're server and you're community is affected by Valves > heavy handed > > arrogance, we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow. > > > > You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we. > > S. > > > > What makes you think your server is going to be immune forever? > > > > What's that you said? You are going to keeps yours vanilla? > > > > TF2. R.I.P. > > > > > > Chris. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan > > Leissler > > Sent: 15 October 2007 17:33 > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from > > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > I think people just need to grow up. > > > > Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player limit. > They can > > and will do whats in their best interest and/or needs. They never > > intended (at this > > time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out. > > They have the right to do so. > > > > Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing you to do > > anything. > > > > > > --- Kyrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> -- > >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Supposed > to be funny > >> ? > >> > >> > >> > >> zzzZZZzzz > >> > >> On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > This
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player servers did to get on the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex edit/hack or something like that. It was a normal plugin --> And my server is still removed from the serverlist. Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, but remove their servers if they use it... great! What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... Two options: - Shut down my server to run something else - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on my server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a not needed server --> Shut down to run something else... grr > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von > Thomas Morton > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be > discussed then lets at least do it sensibly. > > Anyway. > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods > from the lists, they have apparently removed servers running > mods that allow 32 players. It occurs to me they must have a > reason for this (it is not as if it appears to be a > particularly harmful mod). > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing > servers running any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source > anyone?? :P). So far there has been no reason for this > removal - nothing from Valve. Either they are not going to > say anything or there is a reason for the silence. There > could still be a very valid reason for removing the 32 man > capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). > > Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never > know. If not being able to run 32 man servers is putting many > people off running servers, or if it is killing many > communities or if it is putting many players off the game > because they can only play with 24 people I have no idea - > but I would hazard it is not very many. > > Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being > - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should > look to getting what we have on offer running stably and get > some good mods going :) I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for > one community 3 for another) and they are all starting to hit > their maxes - so it is going well. The 7th server I launched > yesterday as the others were getting full. That's working > out as better solution for the communities than 6 32 man > servers actually. > Tom > > ------------------ > From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM > To: > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > Oh and Jonathon, > > > > Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken > note. When > > you're server and you're community is affected by Valves > heavy handed > > arrogance, we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow. > > > > You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we. > > S. > > > > What makes you think your server is going to be immune forever? > > > > What's that you said? You are going to keeps yours vanilla? > > > > TF2. R.I.P. > > > > > > Chris. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan > > Leissler > > Sent: 15 October 2007 17:33 > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from > > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > I think people just need to grow up. > > > > Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player limit. > They can > > and will do whats in their best interest and/or needs. They never > > intended (at this > > time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out. > > They have the right to do so. > > > > Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing you to do > > anything. > > > > > >
Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Well if you want to get technical, yes the cvar is still there...they
have just taken away our access to it (for now anyways).
Tony Paloma wrote:
Compile: ConVar *sv_gravity = cvar->FindVar("sv_gravity");
And you'll get back a non-null result. The CVAR is still there.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:29 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the
steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Type in sv_gravity and youll get back "unknown command"
Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
Low gravity is not removed.
-Original Message-
From: Hell Phoenix [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:03 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the
steam master servers, without any annoucment.
And beating a dead horse wont resurrect him. I ran a low grav server,
and they took away that cvar. Our community is pissed, but you dont see
me sending out a gazillion emails. Valve will never respond, just like
they havent in the past. If they dont respond, then their is no
problem. Like I said, get over it. People sending emails isnt going to
do anything.
Chris Barnett wrote:
If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to
reply.
A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die.
You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the
lists
in future.
This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix
Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the
steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has
happened in the past.
Chris Barnett wrote:
This is a multipart message in MIME format.
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Hello,
Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next,
without even so much as the decency to tell us.
1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians
who
are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve.
Those
Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that
Pacific rimming that's going on.
2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8
digits.
Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed
teenagers and haxors.
3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually
high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and
wise,
they're community is going to be too smug.
4) Servers running FF.
5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there
is
1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500
odd
man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding
communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of
Valve.
6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be
wrong, they're all hacking.
7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all
in
Washington State.
8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the
total
number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!!
9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors.
10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen
to
server admins" as their server name.
Right. That's my list. Odds anyone?
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Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Why not simply remove the filter? > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tony Paloma > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:55 > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Betreff: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player > servers did to get on the list. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex > edit/hack or something like that. It was a normal plugin --> > And my server is still removed from the serverlist. > > Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, > but remove their servers if they use it... great! > > What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... > > Two options: > - Shut down my server to run something else > - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on > my server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a > not needed server --> Shut down to run something else... > > grr > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thomas > > Morton > > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 > > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from > > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be > discussed > > then lets at least do it sensibly. > > > > Anyway. > > > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods > from the > > lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods > that allow 32 > > players. It occurs to me they must have a reason for this > (it is not > > as if it appears to be a particularly harmful mod). > > > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing > servers running > > any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far > > there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from > Valve. Either > > they are not going to say anything or there is a reason for the > > silence. There could still be a very valid reason for > removing the 32 > > man capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). > > > > Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never > know. If not > > being able to run 32 man servers is putting many people off running > > servers, or if it is killing many communities or if it is > putting many > > players off the game because they can only play with 24 > people I have > > no idea - but I would hazard it is not very many. > > > > Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being > > - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should look to > > getting what we have on offer running stably and get some good mods > > going :) I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for one community 3 for > > another) and they are all starting to hit their maxes - so > it is going > > well. The 7th server I launched yesterday as the others > were getting > > full. That's working out as better solution for the > communities than > > 6 32 man servers actually. > > Tom > > > > -- > > From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM > > To: > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from > > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > > Oh and Jonathon, > > > > > > Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken > > note. When > > > you're server and you're community is affected by Valves > > heavy handed > > > arrogance, we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow. > > > > > > You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we. > > > S. > > > > > > What makes you think your server is going to be immune forever? > > > > > > What's that you said? You are going to keeps yours vanilla? > > > > > > TF2. R.I.P. > > > > > > > > &g
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Erm...As you said...Valve filtered out 32 slot servers, not those with the plugin. So..If I run a server that has a mod, which runs low gravity..and Valve don't like it..they'll find a way to filter out servers with low_grav rather than those that have the low grav mod. The fightback will come from the modding community in the form of mods that do their best to hide the fact that they do what they do. How will that help the community at large? Because all you vanilla fan boys are going to be mighty pissed when you find that most of the modding servers will deliberately conceal what their capabilities are, rather than declaring the cvars, so you can filter out the servers you don't want. What do you expect Valve to do, when there are servers that advertise 24 slots, but actually have 32 internally? It's going to be a game of cat and mouse, where the modding community will waste Valves time and the time of those who want vanilla servers AND where Valve wastes the time of server admins in their attempts to get their own way. All this aggro, just because Valve thinks it knows what's best for the gaming communities when the real final call, is with the server admin. And this server admin is having none of it. My remaining TF2 server is going to be shutdown. This argument is still relevant for me, because the other games like DoDs + CS:S should be defended from this bullshit. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: 15 October 2007 18:38 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. "How can I ensure that my server is left on the freakin server list in future?" Simple: dont try and run it as 32 man if Valve kill of any other servers running mods then I will eat my hat. They haven't even done that here.. they just changed the master server list to filter out anything reporting in at over 24 slots Also: "Most plugins will change the intended parameters, therefore what you are saying is that the only way one can guarantee his server will stay on the list, is to run a vanilla server." That's not strictly true at all! First off it would be nearly impossible to kill by a specific mod - the mod's could easily just change their signatures and thus avoid detection. Ok if they change core server parameters yes it would be possible but lots and lots of mods just don't do this... (AFAIK) Tom -- From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:27 PM To: Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > Most plugins will change the intended parameters, therefore what you are > saying is that the only way one can guarantee his server will stay on the > list, is to run a vanilla server. > > You will find that over time, most server admins will not want to run a > vanilla server AND the long term survival of TF2 will need mod community > to > survive > > Chris. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DLinkOZ > Sent: 15 October 2007 18:14 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Actually, I run my server within the intended parameters and I can be > incredibly sure that it will forever show up on the list. > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:54 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to > reply. > > A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die. > > You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the > lists > in future. > > This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next. > > > > -----Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix > Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has > happened in the past. > > Chris Barnett wrote: >> This is a multipart message in MIME format. >> -- >> [ P
Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Or tell me how to do it ... > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tony Paloma > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:55 > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Betreff: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player > servers did to get on the list. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex > edit/hack or something like that. It was a normal plugin --> > And my server is still removed from the serverlist. > > Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, > but remove their servers if they use it... great! > > What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... > > Two options: > - Shut down my server to run something else > - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on > my server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a > not needed server --> Shut down to run something else... > > grr > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thomas > > Morton > > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 > > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from > > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be > discussed > > then lets at least do it sensibly. > > > > Anyway. > > > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods > from the > > lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods > that allow 32 > > players. It occurs to me they must have a reason for this > (it is not > > as if it appears to be a particularly harmful mod). > > > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing > servers running > > any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far > > there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from > Valve. Either > > they are not going to say anything or there is a reason for the > > silence. There could still be a very valid reason for > removing the 32 > > man capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). > > > > Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never > know. If not > > being able to run 32 man servers is putting many people off running > > servers, or if it is killing many communities or if it is > putting many > > players off the game because they can only play with 24 > people I have > > no idea - but I would hazard it is not very many. > > > > Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being > > - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should look to > > getting what we have on offer running stably and get some good mods > > going :) I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for one community 3 for > > another) and they are all starting to hit their maxes - so > it is going > > well. The 7th server I launched yesterday as the others > were getting > > full. That's working out as better solution for the > communities than > > 6 32 man servers actually. > > Tom > > > > -- > > From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM > > To: > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from > > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > > Oh and Jonathon, > > > > > > Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken > > note. When > > > you're server and you're community is affected by Valves > > heavy handed > > > arrogance, we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow. > > > > > > You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we. > > > S. > > > > > > What makes you think your server is going to be immune forever? > > > > > > What's that you said? You are going to keeps yours vanilla? > > > > > > TF2. R.I.P. > > > > > > > > &g
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WRONG! Valve didn't go after any mods, they simply delisted servers that had 32 slots, a side effect of running a legit plugin. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix Sent: 15 October 2007 18:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. WRONG! We were running a beta low grav server until the update or two before the final release (the same one that killed 32 player servers). You dont have to run a vanilla server...just one that doesnt hack the dll in memory (or use a hacked dll). Chris Barnett wrote: > The cvar for low grav was never implemented on TF2 in the first place. It > was never "removed" and you would have been the first to download a plugin > if that plugin had gotten around it. > > *Then* at that point, you would have been the first to complain *if* it had > been servers with a low-grav / hack / plugin that was deliberately pulled > from the list. > > Don't you understand what is at stake here? > > Answer this question please: > > How can I ensure that my server is left on the freakin server list in > future? > > Valve are taking the piss. They are taking it to a new level and upping the > stakes to tell all server admins that their servers can be removed from the > list at anytime, if their servers are not 100% vanilla. > > Who the is going to want to run a 100% vanilla server other than for > professional matches? > > > Thanks. > > Chris. > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix > Sent: 15 October 2007 18:03 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > And beating a dead horse wont resurrect him. I ran a low grav server, > and they took away that cvar. Our community is pissed, but you dont see > me sending out a gazillion emails. Valve will never respond, just like > they havent in the past. If they dont respond, then their is no > problem. Like I said, get over it. People sending emails isnt going to > do anything. > > Chris Barnett wrote: > >> If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to >> reply. >> >> A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die. >> >> You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the >> > lists > >> in future. >> >> This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix >> Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36 >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the >> steam master servers, without any annoucment. >> >> Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has >> happened in the past. >> >> Chris Barnett wrote: >> >> >>> This is a multipart message in MIME format. >>> -- >>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, >>> without even so much as the decency to tell us. >>> >>> >>> >>> 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians >>> >>> >> who >> >> >>> are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those >>> Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that >>> Pacific rimming that's going on. >>> >>> 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 >>> >>> >> digits. >> >> >>> Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed >>> teenagers and haxors. >>> >>> 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually >>> high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and >>> >>> >> wise, >> >> >>> they're community is going to be too smug. >>> >>> 4) Servers running FF. >>> >>> 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there >>> >>> >> is >> >> >>> 1000's of custom skins an
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Somebody call the WHMBULANCE =p Chris Barnett wrote: Erm...As you said...Valve filtered out 32 slot servers, not those with the plugin. So..If I run a server that has a mod, which runs low gravity..and Valve don't like it..they'll find a way to filter out servers with low_grav rather than those that have the low grav mod. The fightback will come from the modding community in the form of mods that do their best to hide the fact that they do what they do. How will that help the community at large? Because all you vanilla fan boys are going to be mighty pissed when you find that most of the modding servers will deliberately conceal what their capabilities are, rather than declaring the cvars, so you can filter out the servers you don't want. What do you expect Valve to do, when there are servers that advertise 24 slots, but actually have 32 internally? It's going to be a game of cat and mouse, where the modding community will waste Valves time and the time of those who want vanilla servers AND where Valve wastes the time of server admins in their attempts to get their own way. All this aggro, just because Valve thinks it knows what's best for the gaming communities when the real final call, is with the server admin. And this server admin is having none of it. My remaining TF2 server is going to be shutdown. This argument is still relevant for me, because the other games like DoDs + CS:S should be defended from this bullshit. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: 15 October 2007 18:38 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. "How can I ensure that my server is left on the freakin server list in future?" Simple: dont try and run it as 32 man if Valve kill of any other servers running mods then I will eat my hat. They haven't even done that here.. they just changed the master server list to filter out anything reporting in at over 24 slots Also: "Most plugins will change the intended parameters, therefore what you are saying is that the only way one can guarantee his server will stay on the list, is to run a vanilla server." That's not strictly true at all! First off it would be nearly impossible to kill by a specific mod - the mod's could easily just change their signatures and thus avoid detection. Ok if they change core server parameters yes it would be possible but lots and lots of mods just don't do this... (AFAIK) Tom -- From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:27 PM To: Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Most plugins will change the intended parameters, therefore what you are saying is that the only way one can guarantee his server will stay on the list, is to run a vanilla server. You will find that over time, most server admins will not want to run a vanilla server AND the long term survival of TF2 will need mod community to survive Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DLinkOZ Sent: 15 October 2007 18:14 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Actually, I run my server within the intended parameters and I can be incredibly sure that it will forever show up on the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:54 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to reply. A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die. You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the lists in future. This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has happened in the past. Chris Barnett wrote: This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello, Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, without even so much as the decency to tell us. 1) Australian servers. Let'
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
The filter is maintained by Valve on their master servers. If peoples servers are being filtered out on the server list, there isn't a lot they can do about it. Apart from complain *AND* put across the point of the dangerous and unacceptable precedence that it sets. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm Sent: 15 October 2007 19:00 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Why not simply remove the filter? > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tony Paloma > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:55 > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Betreff: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player > servers did to get on the list. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex > edit/hack or something like that. It was a normal plugin --> > And my server is still removed from the serverlist. > > Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, > but remove their servers if they use it... great! > > What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... > > Two options: > - Shut down my server to run something else > - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on > my server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a > not needed server --> Shut down to run something else... > > grr > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thomas > > Morton > > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 > > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from > > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be > discussed > > then lets at least do it sensibly. > > > > Anyway. > > > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods > from the > > lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods > that allow 32 > > players. It occurs to me they must have a reason for this > (it is not > > as if it appears to be a particularly harmful mod). > > > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing > servers running > > any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far > > there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from > Valve. Either > > they are not going to say anything or there is a reason for the > > silence. There could still be a very valid reason for > removing the 32 > > man capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). > > > > Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never > know. If not > > being able to run 32 man servers is putting many people off running > > servers, or if it is killing many communities or if it is > putting many > > players off the game because they can only play with 24 > people I have > > no idea - but I would hazard it is not very many. > > > > Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being > > - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should look to > > getting what we have on offer running stably and get some good mods > > going :) I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for one community 3 for > > another) and they are all starting to hit their maxes - so > it is going > > well. The 7th server I launched yesterday as the others > were getting > > full. That's working out as better solution for the > communities than > > 6 32 man servers actually. > > Tom > > > > -- > > From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM > > To: > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from > > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > > Oh and Jonathon, > > > > > > Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken > > note. When > > > you're server
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Well I might consider keeping mine going, by advertising 24 slots but actually having 32. Don't know if it will work or not. But if it wastes Valves time and pisses off the "I hate 24+ slots" crowd then great. The misinformation begins. Players start to lose, because they don't know what they are getting until they have connected and it's Valves fault. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma Sent: 15 October 2007 18:55 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player servers did to get on the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex edit/hack or something like that. It was a normal plugin --> And my server is still removed from the serverlist. Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, but remove their servers if they use it... great! What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... Two options: - Shut down my server to run something else - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on my server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a not needed server --> Shut down to run something else... grr > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von > Thomas Morton > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be > discussed then lets at least do it sensibly. > > Anyway. > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods > from the lists, they have apparently removed servers running > mods that allow 32 players. It occurs to me they must have a > reason for this (it is not as if it appears to be a > particularly harmful mod). > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing > servers running any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source > anyone?? :P). So far there has been no reason for this > removal - nothing from Valve. Either they are not going to > say anything or there is a reason for the silence. There > could still be a very valid reason for removing the 32 man > capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). > > Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never > know. If not being able to run 32 man servers is putting many > people off running servers, or if it is killing many > communities or if it is putting many players off the game > because they can only play with 24 people I have no idea - > but I would hazard it is not very many. > > Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being > - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should > look to getting what we have on offer running stably and get > some good mods going :) I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for > one community 3 for another) and they are all starting to hit > their maxes - so it is going well. The 7th server I launched > yesterday as the others were getting full. That's working > out as better solution for the communities than 6 32 man > servers actually. > Tom > > ---------------------- > From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM > To: > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > Oh and Jonathon, > > > > Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken > note. When > > you're server and you're community is affected by Valves > heavy handed > > arrogance, we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow. > > > > You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we. > > S. > > > > What makes you think your server is going to be immune forever? > > > > What's that you said? You are going to keeps yours vanilla? > > > > TF2. R.I.P. > > > > > > Chris. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan > > Leissler > > Sent: 15 October 2007 17:33 > > To: hlds@li
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
The filter is in place on Valve's end. You can't just "remove the filter." I have created a working plugin to allow 32 player servers to still be listed, but I am debating with myself whether or not I should release it. I have ethical concerns as well as liking the attention that owning one of the few 32 player servers brings. Releasing the plugin will: a) Make Valve mad and find other ways to bring 32 player servers down that us server admins certainly will not appreciate. b) Diminish the value of the hard work that people like myself have done just to get on the list since there will certainly all of a sudden be a myriad of 32 player servers to choose from c) ??? d) Profit. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:00 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Why not simply remove the filter? > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tony Paloma > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:55 > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Betreff: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player > servers did to get on the list. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex > edit/hack or something like that. It was a normal plugin --> > And my server is still removed from the serverlist. > > Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, > but remove their servers if they use it... great! > > What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... > > Two options: > - Shut down my server to run something else > - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on > my server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a > not needed server --> Shut down to run something else... > > grr > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thomas > > Morton > > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 > > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from > > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be > discussed > > then lets at least do it sensibly. > > > > Anyway. > > > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods > from the > > lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods > that allow 32 > > players. It occurs to me they must have a reason for this > (it is not > > as if it appears to be a particularly harmful mod). > > > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing > servers running > > any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far > > there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from > Valve. Either > > they are not going to say anything or there is a reason for the > > silence. There could still be a very valid reason for > removing the 32 > > man capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). > > > > Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never > know. If not > > being able to run 32 man servers is putting many people off running > > servers, or if it is killing many communities or if it is > putting many > > players off the game because they can only play with 24 > people I have > > no idea - but I would hazard it is not very many. > > > > Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being > > - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should look to > > getting what we have on offer running stably and get some good mods > > going :) I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for one community 3 for > > another) and they are all starting to hit their maxes - so > it is going > > well. The 7th server I launched yesterday as the others > were getting > > full. That's working out as better solution for the > communities than > > 6 32 man servers actually. > > Tom > > > > -- > > From: "Chris
Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada yada" Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I did post something like that yesterday :( As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know what they are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM REASON" to why they are removing servers from the list? I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve might do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected, the hack / mod surfaced, people got excited and Valve publicly weren't happy with it. I dont think randomly killed is fair - perhaps unexpectedly. They are NOT going to turn round tomorrow and kill Eventscripts or MM:S and so on.. (when they get to OB source). With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod servers from the list, but you might find that your server has been removed because Valve didn't like a side effect of a particular metamod plugin. If they don't give us a clue as to what the rules are, then we have to assume that any plugin is a risk. Sorry that was a joke - Im not MM:S fan :) It doesn't matter how valid anyone thinks any reason the master list removal is. If server admins become scared to install plugins, because they don't know whether that plugin will incur the wrath of valves list server, then why bother writing and installing plugins? Yes, and also no. This is 1 thing that has been pulled. If Valve start pulling more I will reverse my opinion. But in this case they obviously dont want 32 man servers and are (regardless of what anyone says) well within their right to stop supporting them. Note they are NOT killing the servers - simply removing them from the lists There may still be a deeper reason for it to be pulled. As a server admin I am not going to be scared to put mods on - and if I do and the server disappears from the list I will remove the mods (and probably bitch to high heaven about it if I feel it is unfair). Your right though there are those that will be scared though - should we not be reassuring them rather than bitching at Valve who are obviously deliberately not replying. If they remove more servers - then is the time to worry IMO and hit them with all the force the community has got. If you are happy with running 7 vanilla servers for the next 5 years, good for you. I'm not doing it and there are loads of others who won't. I'll feel sorry for you, when years down the line, they are all broken overnight, because Valve had petty reasons they deemed more important than you and your gaming community. I don't see it - there is worry over CSS servers all the time (I have run 10 of those for a long while by the way) - not to the same level agreed - and they have not died a major death. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: 15 October 2007 18:21 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be discussed then lets at least do it sensibly. Anyway. Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods from the lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods that allow 32 players. It occurs to me they must have a reason for this (it is not as if it appears to be a particularly harmful mod). I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing servers running any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from Valve. Either they are not going to say anything or there is a reason for the silence. There could still be a very valid reason for removing the 32 man capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never know. If not being able to run 32 man servers is putting many people off running servers, or if it is killing many communities or if it is putting many players off the game because they can only play with 24 people I have no idea - but I would hazard it is not very many. Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should look to getting what we have on offer running stably and get some good mods going :) I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for one community 3 for another) and they are all starting to hit their maxes - so it is going well. The 7th server I launched yesterday as the others were getting full. That's working out as better solution for the comm
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Even if you set the visible max players to 24, the steam master still knows you have 32 and won't list you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:15 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Well I might consider keeping mine going, by advertising 24 slots but actually having 32. Don't know if it will work or not. But if it wastes Valves time and pisses off the "I hate 24+ slots" crowd then great. The misinformation begins. Players start to lose, because they don't know what they are getting until they have connected and it's Valves fault. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma Sent: 15 October 2007 18:55 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player servers did to get on the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex edit/hack or something like that. It was a normal plugin --> And my server is still removed from the serverlist. Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, but remove their servers if they use it... great! What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... Two options: - Shut down my server to run something else - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on my server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a not needed server --> Shut down to run something else... grr > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von > Thomas Morton > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be > discussed then lets at least do it sensibly. > > Anyway. > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods > from the lists, they have apparently removed servers running > mods that allow 32 players. It occurs to me they must have a > reason for this (it is not as if it appears to be a > particularly harmful mod). > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing > servers running any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source > anyone?? :P). So far there has been no reason for this > removal - nothing from Valve. Either they are not going to > say anything or there is a reason for the silence. There > could still be a very valid reason for removing the 32 man > capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). > > Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never > know. If not being able to run 32 man servers is putting many > people off running servers, or if it is killing many > communities or if it is putting many players off the game > because they can only play with 24 people I have no idea - > but I would hazard it is not very many. > > Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being > - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should > look to getting what we have on offer running stably and get > some good mods going :) I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for > one community 3 for another) and they are all starting to hit > their maxes - so it is going well. The 7th server I launched > yesterday as the others were getting full. That's working > out as better solution for the communities than 6 32 man > servers actually. > Tom > > -------------------------- > From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM > To: > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > Oh and Jonathon, > > > > Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken > note. When > > you're server and you're community is affected by Valves > heavy handed > > arrogance, we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow. > > > > You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we. > > S. > > > > What makes you think y
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How is 24 man not enough for you? To the point you will stop playing the game! What if the mod hadn't come along - would you still stop playing it ? -- From: "Andreas Grimm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:50 PM To: Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex edit/hack or something like that. It was a normal plugin --> And my server is still removed from the serverlist. Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, but remove their servers if they use it... great! What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... Two options: - Shut down my server to run something else - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on my server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a not needed server --> Shut down to run something else... grr -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thomas Morton Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be discussed then lets at least do it sensibly. Anyway. Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods from the lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods that allow 32 players. It occurs to me they must have a reason for this (it is not as if it appears to be a particularly harmful mod). I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing servers running any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from Valve. Either they are not going to say anything or there is a reason for the silence. There could still be a very valid reason for removing the 32 man capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never know. If not being able to run 32 man servers is putting many people off running servers, or if it is killing many communities or if it is putting many players off the game because they can only play with 24 people I have no idea - but I would hazard it is not very many. Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should look to getting what we have on offer running stably and get some good mods going :) I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for one community 3 for another) and they are all starting to hit their maxes - so it is going well. The 7th server I launched yesterday as the others were getting full. That's working out as better solution for the communities than 6 32 man servers actually. Tom -- From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM To: Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > Oh and Jonathon, > > Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken note. When > you're server and you're community is affected by Valves heavy handed > arrogance, we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow. > > You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we. > S. > > What makes you think your server is going to be immune forever? > > What's that you said? You are going to keeps yours vanilla? > > TF2. R.I.P. > > > Chris. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan > Leissler > Sent: 15 October 2007 17:33 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > I think people just need to grow up. > > Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player limit. They can > and will do whats in their best interest and/or needs. They never > intended (at this > time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out. > They have the right to do so. > > Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing you to do > anything. > > > --- Kyrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> -- >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Supposed to be funny >> ? >> >> >> >> zzzZZZzzz >> >> On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > >> > This is a multipart message in MIME format. >> > -- >> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/altern
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Anyone who thinks this thread is about delisting 32 player server please stop posting and read the damn subject. This is about a lack of notice when delisting servers. On 10/15/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Somebody call the WHMBULANCE > > =p > > > Chris Barnett wrote: > > Erm...As you said...Valve filtered out 32 slot servers, not those with > the > > plugin. > > > > So..If I run a server that has a mod, which runs low gravity..and Valve > > don't like it..they'll find a way to filter out servers with low_grav > rather > > than those that have the low grav mod. > > > > The fightback will come from the modding community in the form of mods > that > > do their best to hide the fact that they do what they do. > > > > How will that help the community at large? Because all you vanilla fan > boys > > are going to be mighty pissed when you find that most of the modding > servers > > will deliberately conceal what their capabilities are, rather than > declaring > > the cvars, so you can filter out the servers you don't want. > > > > What do you expect Valve to do, when there are servers that advertise 24 > > slots, but actually have 32 internally? > > > > It's going to be a game of cat and mouse, where the modding community > will > > waste Valves time and the time of those who want vanilla servers AND > where > > Valve wastes the time of server admins in their attempts to get their > own > > way. > > > > All this aggro, just because Valve thinks it knows what's best for the > > gaming communities when the real final call, is with the server admin. > And > > this server admin is having none of it. My remaining TF2 server is going > to > > be shutdown. This argument is still relevant for me, because the other > games > > like DoDs + CS:S should be defended from this bullshit. > > > > Chris. > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > > Sent: 15 October 2007 18:38 > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the > > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > "How can I ensure that my server is left on the freakin server list in > > future?" > > > > Simple: dont try and run it as 32 man if Valve kill of any other > servers > > running mods then I will eat my hat. They haven't even done that here.. > they > > just changed the master server list to filter out anything reporting in > at > > over 24 slots > > > > Also: > > > > "Most plugins will change the intended parameters, therefore what you > are > > saying is that the only way one can guarantee his server will stay on > the > > list, is to run a vanilla server." > > > > That's not strictly true at all! First off it would be nearly impossible > to > > kill by a specific mod - the mod's could easily just change their > signatures > > and thus avoid detection. Ok if they change core server parameters yes > it > > would be possible but lots and lots of mods just don't do this... > (AFAIK) > > > > Tom > > > > -- > > From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:27 PM > > To: > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the > > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > > >> Most plugins will change the intended parameters, therefore what you > are > >> saying is that the only way one can guarantee his server will stay on > the > >> list, is to run a vanilla server. > >> > >> You will find that over time, most server admins will not want to run a > >> vanilla server AND the long term survival of TF2 will need mod > community > >> to > >> survive > >> > >> Chris. > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DLinkOZ > >> Sent: 15 October 2007 18:14 > >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > >> Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the > >> steam master servers, without any annoucment. > >> > >> Act
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Oh I'm sure someone will find a way though. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma Sent: 15 October 2007 19:19 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Even if you set the visible max players to 24, the steam master still knows you have 32 and won't list you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:15 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Well I might consider keeping mine going, by advertising 24 slots but actually having 32. Don't know if it will work or not. But if it wastes Valves time and pisses off the "I hate 24+ slots" crowd then great. The misinformation begins. Players start to lose, because they don't know what they are getting until they have connected and it's Valves fault. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma Sent: 15 October 2007 18:55 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player servers did to get on the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex edit/hack or something like that. It was a normal plugin --> And my server is still removed from the serverlist. Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, but remove their servers if they use it... great! What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... Two options: - Shut down my server to run something else - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on my server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a not needed server --> Shut down to run something else... grr > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von > Thomas Morton > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be > discussed then lets at least do it sensibly. > > Anyway. > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods > from the lists, they have apparently removed servers running > mods that allow 32 players. It occurs to me they must have a > reason for this (it is not as if it appears to be a > particularly harmful mod). > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing > servers running any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source > anyone?? :P). So far there has been no reason for this > removal - nothing from Valve. Either they are not going to > say anything or there is a reason for the silence. There > could still be a very valid reason for removing the 32 man > capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). > > Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never > know. If not being able to run 32 man servers is putting many > people off running servers, or if it is killing many > communities or if it is putting many players off the game > because they can only play with 24 people I have no idea - > but I would hazard it is not very many. > > Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being > - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should > look to getting what we have on offer running stably and get > some good mods going :) I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for > one community 3 for another) and they are all starting to hit > their maxes - so it is going well. The 7th server I launched > yesterday as the others were getting full. That's working > out as better solution for the communities than 6 32 man > servers actually. > Tom > > -------------------------- > From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM > To: > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > Oh and Jonathon, > > > > Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken > note. When
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Don't release it. You'll only artificially help keep a game going that doesn't deserve your attention. Valve don't want mods, so as far as I'm concerned, TF2 can die the slow and painful death it deserves. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma Sent: 15 October 2007 19:15 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. The filter is in place on Valve's end. You can't just "remove the filter." I have created a working plugin to allow 32 player servers to still be listed, but I am debating with myself whether or not I should release it. I have ethical concerns as well as liking the attention that owning one of the few 32 player servers brings. Releasing the plugin will: a) Make Valve mad and find other ways to bring 32 player servers down that us server admins certainly will not appreciate. b) Diminish the value of the hard work that people like myself have done just to get on the list since there will certainly all of a sudden be a myriad of 32 player servers to choose from c) ??? d) Profit. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:00 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Why not simply remove the filter? > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tony Paloma > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:55 > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Betreff: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player > servers did to get on the list. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex > edit/hack or something like that. It was a normal plugin --> > And my server is still removed from the serverlist. > > Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, > but remove their servers if they use it... great! > > What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... > > Two options: > - Shut down my server to run something else > - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on > my server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a > not needed server --> Shut down to run something else... > > grr > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thomas > > Morton > > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 > > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from > > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be > discussed > > then lets at least do it sensibly. > > > > Anyway. > > > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods > from the > > lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods > that allow 32 > > players. It occurs to me they must have a reason for this > (it is not > > as if it appears to be a particularly harmful mod). > > > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing > servers running > > any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far > > there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from > Valve. Either > > they are not going to say anything or there is a reason for the > > silence. There could still be a very valid reason for > removing the 32 > > man capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). > > > > Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never > know. If not > > being able to run 32 man servers is putting many people off running > > servers, or if it is killing many communities or if it is > putting many > > players off the game because they can only play with 24 > people I have > > no idea - but I would hazard it is not very many. > > > > Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being > > - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should look to &
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Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi is behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is the Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, > there > is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up "Quit > whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada yada" Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I did post something like that yesterday :( > As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what > Valve > was going to do then, so what makes you think you know what they are going > to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM REASON" to why they are > removing servers from the list? I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve might do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected, the hack / mod surfaced, people got excited and Valve publicly weren't happy with it. I dont think randomly killed is fair - perhaps unexpectedly. They are NOT going to turn round tomorrow and kill Eventscripts or MM:S and so on.. (when they get to OB source). > With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod servers from > the list, but you might find that your server has been removed because > Valve > didn't like a side effect of a particular metamod plugin. If they don't > give > us a clue as to what the rules are, then we have to assume that any plugin > is a risk. Sorry that was a joke - Im not MM:S fan :) > It doesn't matter how valid anyone thinks any reason the master list > removal > is. If server admins become scared to install plugins, because they don't > know whether that plugin will incur the wrath of valves list server, then > why bother writing and installing plugins? Yes, and also no. This is 1 thing that has been pulled. If Valve start pulling more I will reverse my opinion. But in this case they obviously dont want 32 man servers and are (regardless of what anyone says) well within their right to stop supporting them. Note they are NOT killing the servers - simply removing them from the lists There may still be a deeper reason for it to be pulled. As a server admin I am not going to be scared to put mods on - and if I do and the server disappears from the list I will remove the mods (and probably bitch to high heaven about it if I feel it is unfair). Your right though there are those that will be scared though - should we not be reassuring them rather than bitching at Valve who are obviously deliberately not replying. If they remove more servers - then is the time to worry IMO and hit them with all the force the community has got. > If you are happy with running 7 vanilla servers for the next 5 years, good > for you. I'm not doing it and there are loads of others who won't. I'll > feel > sorry for you, when years down the line, they are all broken overnight, > because Valve had petty reasons they deemed more important than you and > your > gaming community. I don't see it - there is worry over CSS servers all the time (I have run 10 of those for a long while by the way) - not to the same level agreed - and they have not died a major death. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: 15 October 2007 18:21 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be discussed then > lets at least do it sensibly. > > Anyway. > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods from the > lists, > they have apparently removed servers running mods that allow 32 players. > It > occurs to me they must have a reason for this (it is not as if it appears > to > be a particularly harmful mod). > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing servers running any > mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far there has > been no reason for this removal - nothing from Valve. Either they are not > going to say anything or there is a reason for the silence. Th
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Chris Barnett wrote: > Oh I'm sure someone will find a way though. > > :-) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:19 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Even if you set the visible max players to 24, the steam master still knows > you have 32 and won't list you. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:15 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Well I might consider keeping mine going, by advertising 24 slots but > actually having 32. Don't know if it will work or not. But if it wastes > Valves time and pisses off the "I hate 24+ slots" crowd then great. > > The misinformation begins. Players start to lose, because they don't know > what they are getting until they have connected and it's Valves fault. > > Chris. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma > Sent: 15 October 2007 18:55 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player servers did to > get on the list. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex edit/hack or > something like that. It was a normal plugin --> And my server is still > removed from the serverlist. > > Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, but remove their > servers if they use it... great! > > What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... > > Two options: > - Shut down my server to run something else > - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on my server, > because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a not needed server --> Shut > down to run something else... > > grr > > >> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von >> Thomas Morton >> Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 >> An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly >> remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >> >> There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be >> discussed then lets at least do it sensibly. >> >> Anyway. >> >> Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods >> from the lists, they have apparently removed servers running >> mods that allow 32 players. It occurs to me they must have a >> reason for this (it is not as if it appears to be a >> particularly harmful mod). >> >> I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing >> servers running any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source >> anyone?? :P). So far there has been no reason for this >> removal - nothing from Valve. Either they are not going to >> say anything or there is a reason for the silence. There >> could still be a very valid reason for removing the 32 man >> capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). >> >> Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never >> know. If not being able to run 32 man servers is putting many >> people off running servers, or if it is killing many >> communities or if it is putting many players off the game >> because they can only play with 24 people I have no idea - >> but I would hazard it is not very many. >> >> Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being >> - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should >> look to getting what we have on offer running stably and get >> some good mods going :) I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for >> one community 3 for another) and they are all starting to hit >> their maxes - so it is going well. The 7th serv
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Try setting sv_gravity as one of the startup parameters. +sv_gravity 300 Oh, it should work for mp_friendlyfire too. I have a plug-in that will unhide the cvars, but I'm too scared to release it right now. - voogru. -Original Message- From: Hell Phoenix [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:29 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Type in sv_gravity and youll get back "unknown command" Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: > Low gravity is not removed. > > -Original Message- > From: Hell Phoenix [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:03 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > And beating a dead horse wont resurrect him. I ran a low grav server, > and they took away that cvar. Our community is pissed, but you dont see > me sending out a gazillion emails. Valve will never respond, just like > they havent in the past. If they dont respond, then their is no > problem. Like I said, get over it. People sending emails isnt going to > do anything. > > Chris Barnett wrote: > >> If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to >> reply. >> >> A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die. >> >> You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the >> > lists > >> in future. >> >> This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next. >> >> >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix >> Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36 >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the >> steam master servers, without any annoucment. >> >> Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has >> happened in the past. >> >> Chris Barnett wrote: >> >> >>> This is a multipart message in MIME format. >>> -- >>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next, >>> without even so much as the decency to tell us. >>> >>> >>> >>> 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians >>> >>> >> who >> >> >>> are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those >>> Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of that >>> Pacific rimming that's going on. >>> >>> 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 >>> >>> >> digits. >> >> >>> Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed >>> teenagers and haxors. >>> >>> 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually >>> high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old and >>> >>> >> wise, >> >> >>> they're community is going to be too smug. >>> >>> 4) Servers running FF. >>> >>> 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there >>> >>> >> is >> >> >>> 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest 500 >>> >>> >> odd >> >> >>> man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding >>> communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of >>> > Valve. > >>> 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be >>> wrong, they're all hacking. >>> >>> 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all >>> > in > >>> Washington State. >>> >>> 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, which lies about the >>> >>> >> total >> >> >>> number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 are advertised!!! >>> >>> 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for minors. >>> >>> 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say "Valve doesn't listen to >>
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I can live with all this I just want Valve Admin tools so we don't have to worry about updates breaking the server plug-ins. Heck why can't they do all the cool plug-ins that people like?:-( Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:02 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Don't release it. You'll only artificially help keep a game going that doesn't deserve your attention. Valve don't want mods, so as far as I'm concerned, TF2 can die the slow and painful death it deserves. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma Sent: 15 October 2007 19:15 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. The filter is in place on Valve's end. You can't just "remove the filter." I have created a working plugin to allow 32 player servers to still be listed, but I am debating with myself whether or not I should release it. I have ethical concerns as well as liking the attention that owning one of the few 32 player servers brings. Releasing the plugin will: a) Make Valve mad and find other ways to bring 32 player servers down that us server admins certainly will not appreciate. b) Diminish the value of the hard work that people like myself have done just to get on the list since there will certainly all of a sudden be a myriad of 32 player servers to choose from c) ??? d) Profit. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:00 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Why not simply remove the filter? > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tony Paloma > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:55 > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Betreff: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player servers > did to get on the list. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex edit/hack or > something like that. It was a normal plugin --> And my server is still > removed from the serverlist. > > Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, but remove > their servers if they use it... great! > > What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... > > Two options: > - Shut down my server to run something else > - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on my > server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a not needed > server --> Shut down to run something else... > > grr > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thomas > > Morton > > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 > > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from > > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be > discussed > > then lets at least do it sensibly. > > > > Anyway. > > > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods > from the > > lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods > that allow 32 > > players. It occurs to me they must have a reason for this > (it is not > > as if it appears to be a particularly harmful mod). > > > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing > servers running > > any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far > > there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from > Valve. Either > > they are not going to say anything or there is a reason for the > > silence. There could still be a very valid reason for > removing the 32 > > man capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). > > > > Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never > know. If not >
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Chris Barnett wrote: > Don't release it. You'll only artificially help keep a game going that > doesn't deserve your attention. > > Valve don't want mods, so as far as I'm concerned, TF2 can die the slow and > painful death it deserves. > > Chris. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:15 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > The filter is in place on Valve's end. You can't just "remove the filter." I > have created a working plugin to allow 32 player servers to still be listed, > but I am debating with myself whether or not I should release it. I have > ethical concerns as well as liking the attention that owning one of the few > 32 player servers brings. > > Releasing the plugin will: > a) Make Valve mad and find other ways to bring 32 player servers down that > us server admins certainly will not appreciate. > b) Diminish the value of the hard work that people like myself have done > just to get on the list since there will certainly all of a sudden be a > myriad of 32 player servers to choose from > c) ??? > d) Profit. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:00 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Why not simply remove the filter? > > >> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tony Paloma >> Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:55 >> An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Betreff: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly >> remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >> >> Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player >> servers did to get on the list. >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm >> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly >> remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >> >> I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex >> edit/hack or something like that. It was a normal plugin --> >> And my server is still removed from the serverlist. >> >> Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, >> but remove their servers if they use it... great! >> >> What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... >> >> Two options: >> - Shut down my server to run something else >> - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on >> my server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a >> not needed server --> Shut down to run something else... >> >> grr >> >> >>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >>> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thomas >>> Morton >>> Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 >>> An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >>> Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly >>> >> remove from >> >>> the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >>> >>> There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be >>> >> discussed >> >>> then lets at least do it sensibly. >>> >>> Anyway. >>> >>> Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods >>> >> from the >> >>> lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods >>> >> that allow 32 >> >>> players. It occurs to me they must have a reason for this >>> >> (it is not >> >>> as if it appears to be a particularly harmful mod). >>> >>> I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing >>> >> servers running >> >>> any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far >>> there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from >>> >> Valve. Either >> >>> they are not going to say anything or there is a reason for the >>> silence. There could sti
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Yea I wouldn't release it to the list if you want to continue using it if you know what I mean:-( Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:04 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Try setting sv_gravity as one of the startup parameters. +sv_gravity 300 Oh, it should work for mp_friendlyfire too. I have a plug-in that will unhide the cvars, but I'm too scared to release it right now. - voogru. -Original Message- From: Hell Phoenix [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:29 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Type in sv_gravity and youll get back "unknown command" Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: > Low gravity is not removed. > > -Original Message- > From: Hell Phoenix [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:03 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > And beating a dead horse wont resurrect him. I ran a low grav server, > and they took away that cvar. Our community is pissed, but you dont > see me sending out a gazillion emails. Valve will never respond, just > like they havent in the past. If they dont respond, then their is no > problem. Like I said, get over it. People sending emails isnt going > to do anything. > > Chris Barnett wrote: > >> If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have >> to reply. >> >> A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die. >> >> You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the >> > lists > >> in future. >> >> This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix >> Sent: 15 October 2007 17:36 >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from >> the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >> >> Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this >> has happened in the past. >> >> Chris Barnett wrote: >> >> >>> This is a multipart message in MIME format. >>> -- >>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out >>> next, without even so much as the decency to tell us. >>> >>> >>> >>> 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's those pesky Australians >>> >>> >> who >> >> >>> are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be embarrassing for Valve. Those >>> Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter balance all of >>> that Pacific rimming that's going on. >>> >>> 2) Servers that have an unusually high number of players with 8 >>> >>> >> digits. >> >> >>> Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all noobs, snotty nosed >>> teenagers and haxors. >>> >>> 3) Servers outside the Western United States that have an unusually >>> high number of players with 6 digits. If a server attracts the old >>> and >>> >>> >> wise, >> >> >>> they're community is going to be too smug. >>> >>> 4) Servers running FF. >>> >>> 5) Servers that sends the player into a different world where there >>> >>> >> is >> >> >>> 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been sad enough to invest >>> 500 >>> >>> >> odd >> >> >>> man hours into creating a work of art, not to mention the modding >>> communities whose total output dwarfs anything that has come out of >>> > Valve. > >>> 6) Servers that attract the top players. C'mon something has to be >>> wrong, they're all hacking. >>> >>> 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No scrub that, they're all >>> > in > >>> Washington State. >&g
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Well you have to wonder what's next? When will the No/Shorter respawn timer servers vanish? Servers with no criticals? (when somebody eventually figures how to turn that crap off) 32 player servers were packed regularly, people who don’t like that sort of organised chaos could easily avoid them. But now with the new spoofing, they cant tell its 32 players until they are in it. By doing this, valve have inadvertently made players experiences worse. Not impressed by the silence, either. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: 15 October 2007 7:57 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Oh I'm sure someone will find a way though. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma Sent: 15 October 2007 19:19 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Even if you set the visible max players to 24, the steam master still knows you have 32 and won't list you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:15 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Well I might consider keeping mine going, by advertising 24 slots but actually having 32. Don't know if it will work or not. But if it wastes Valves time and pisses off the "I hate 24+ slots" crowd then great. The misinformation begins. Players start to lose, because they don't know what they are getting until they have connected and it's Valves fault. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma Sent: 15 October 2007 18:55 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player servers did to get on the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex edit/hack or something like that. It was a normal plugin --> And my server is still removed from the serverlist. Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, but remove their servers if they use it... great! What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... Two options: - Shut down my server to run something else - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on my server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a not needed server --> Shut down to run something else... grr > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von > Thomas Morton > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be > discussed then lets at least do it sensibly. > > Anyway. > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods > from the lists, they have apparently removed servers running > mods that allow 32 players. It occurs to me they must have a > reason for this (it is not as if it appears to be a > particularly harmful mod). > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing > servers running any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source > anyone?? :P). So far there has been no reason for this > removal - nothing from Valve. Either they are not going to > say anything or there is a reason for the silence. There > could still be a very valid reason for removing the 32 man > capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). > > Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never > know. If not being able to run 32 man servers is putting many > people off running servers, or if it is killing many > communities or if it is putting many players off the game > because they can only play with 24 people I have no idea - > but I would hazard it is not very many. > > Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being > - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should > look to getting what we have on offer running stably and get > some good mod
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Criticals are easy to turn off. tf_damage_critical_chance tf_damage_critical_chance_melee tf_damage_critical_chance_rapid tf_damage_critical_duration_rapid tf_damage_critical_mult tf_damage_criticalmod_damage tf_damage_criticalmod_maxmult tf_damage_criticalmod_maxtime tf_damage_criticalmod_mintime -Original Message- From: David Cousins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:21 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Well you have to wonder what's next? When will the No/Shorter respawn timer servers vanish? Servers with no criticals? (when somebody eventually figures how to turn that crap off) 32 player servers were packed regularly, people who don’t like that sort of organised chaos could easily avoid them. But now with the new spoofing, they cant tell its 32 players until they are in it. By doing this, valve have inadvertently made players experiences worse. Not impressed by the silence, either. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: 15 October 2007 7:57 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Oh I'm sure someone will find a way though. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma Sent: 15 October 2007 19:19 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Even if you set the visible max players to 24, the steam master still knows you have 32 and won't list you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:15 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Well I might consider keeping mine going, by advertising 24 slots but actually having 32. Don't know if it will work or not. But if it wastes Valves time and pisses off the "I hate 24+ slots" crowd then great. The misinformation begins. Players start to lose, because they don't know what they are getting until they have connected and it's Valves fault. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma Sent: 15 October 2007 18:55 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player servers did to get on the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex edit/hack or something like that. It was a normal plugin --> And my server is still removed from the serverlist. Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, but remove their servers if they use it... great! What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... Two options: - Shut down my server to run something else - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on my server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a not needed server --> Shut down to run something else... grr > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von > Thomas Morton > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be > discussed then lets at least do it sensibly. > > Anyway. > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods > from the lists, they have apparently removed servers running > mods that allow 32 players. It occurs to me they must have a > reason for this (it is not as if it appears to be a > particularly harmful mod). > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing > servers running any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source > anyone?? :P). So far there has been no reason for this > removal - nothing from Valve. Either they are not going to > say anything or there is a reason for the silence. There > could still be a very valid reason for removing the 32 man > capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). > > Either Valve
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The Silence from Valve is deafening... Mike ParaDOX www.paradisesgarage.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi is behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is the Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, > there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up > "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada > yada" Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I did post something like that yesterday :( > As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what > Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know what they > are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM REASON" to why > they are removing servers from the list? I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve might do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected, the hack / mod surfaced, people got excited and Valve publicly weren't happy with it. I dont think randomly killed is fair - perhaps unexpectedly. They are NOT going to turn round tomorrow and kill Eventscripts or MM:S and so on.. (when they get to OB source). > With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod servers > from the list, but you might find that your server has been removed > because Valve didn't like a side effect of a particular metamod > plugin. If they don't give us a clue as to what the rules are, then we > have to assume that any plugin is a risk. Sorry that was a joke - Im not MM:S fan :) > It doesn't matter how valid anyone thinks any reason the master list > removal is. If server admins become scared to install plugins, because > they don't know whether that plugin will incur the wrath of valves > list server, then why bother writing and installing plugins? Yes, and also no. This is 1 thing that has been pulled. If Valve start pulling more I will reverse my opinion. But in this case they obviously dont want 32 man servers and are (regardless of what anyone says) well within their right to stop supporting them. Note they are NOT killing the servers - simply removing them from the lists There may still be a deeper reason for it to be pulled. As a server admin I am not going to be scared to put mods on - and if I do and the server disappears from the list I will remove the mods (and probably bitch to high heaven about it if I feel it is unfair). Your right though there are those that will be scared though - should we not be reassuring them rather than bitching at Valve who are obviously deliberately not replying. If they remove more servers - then is the time to worry IMO and hit them with all the force the community has got. > If you are happy with running 7 vanilla servers for the next 5 years, > good for you. I'm not doing it and there are loads of others who > won't. I'll feel sorry for you, when years down the line, they are all > broken overnight, because Valve had petty reasons they deemed more > important than you and your gaming community. I don't see it - there is worry over CSS servers all the time (I have run 10 of those for a long while by the way) - not to the same level agreed - and they have not died a major death. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: 15 October 2007 18:21 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be discussed > then lets at least do it sensibly. > > Anyway. > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods from the > lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods that allow 32 > players. > It > occurs to me they must have a reason for this (it is not as if it > appears to be
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Jason, I want way less than that and anyone who "demands" more is a total whiner. What the heck, why does Valve bother with multi-player games? I mean wouldn't it be a lot less hassle if they made just single player games? After all, user experience is paramount. In a single player game, we don't have to put up with hackers or childish people who ruin a players gaming experience. If Valve doesn’t believe that admins in the community are capable of delivering a good gaming experience, they should just shut up shop and forget about this multiplayer gaming business. Because I'm tired of the petty games they play. This community has been telling them for years simple and effective ways to stop servers from being broken and they listen carefully and devised ways to piss us off even more by ignoring us and making a bad situation worse. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason O. Washburn Sent: 15 October 2007 20:13 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I can live with all this I just want Valve Admin tools so we don't have to worry about updates breaking the server plug-ins. Heck why can't they do all the cool plug-ins that people like?:-( Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:02 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Don't release it. You'll only artificially help keep a game going that doesn't deserve your attention. Valve don't want mods, so as far as I'm concerned, TF2 can die the slow and painful death it deserves. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma Sent: 15 October 2007 19:15 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. The filter is in place on Valve's end. You can't just "remove the filter." I have created a working plugin to allow 32 player servers to still be listed, but I am debating with myself whether or not I should release it. I have ethical concerns as well as liking the attention that owning one of the few 32 player servers brings. Releasing the plugin will: a) Make Valve mad and find other ways to bring 32 player servers down that us server admins certainly will not appreciate. b) Diminish the value of the hard work that people like myself have done just to get on the list since there will certainly all of a sudden be a myriad of 32 player servers to choose from c) ??? d) Profit. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:00 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Why not simply remove the filter? > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tony Paloma > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:55 > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Betreff: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player servers > did to get on the list. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex edit/hack or > something like that. It was a normal plugin --> And my server is still > removed from the serverlist. > > Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, but remove > their servers if they use it... great! > > What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... > > Two options: > - Shut down my server to run something else > - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on my > server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a not needed > server --> Shut down to run something else... > > grr > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thomas > > Morton > > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 > > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will rand
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mike Munoz wrote: > The Silence from Valve is deafening... > > > Mike ParaDOX > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi is > behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is the > Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling > halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve > forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. > > Chris. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > >> I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, >> there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up >> "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada >> yada" >> > > Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I > did post something like that yesterday :( > > >> As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what >> Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know what they >> are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM REASON" to why >> they are removing servers from the list? >> > I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve might > do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected, the hack / mod surfaced, > people got excited and Valve publicly weren't happy with it. I dont think > randomly killed is fair - perhaps unexpectedly. They are NOT going to turn > round tomorrow and kill Eventscripts or MM:S and so on.. (when they get to > OB source). > > >> With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod servers >> from the list, but you might find that your server has been removed >> because Valve didn't like a side effect of a particular metamod >> plugin. If they don't give us a clue as to what the rules are, then we >> have to assume that any plugin is a risk. >> > Sorry that was a joke - Im not MM:S fan :) > > >> It doesn't matter how valid anyone thinks any reason the master list >> removal is. If server admins become scared to install plugins, because >> they don't know whether that plugin will incur the wrath of valves >> list server, then why bother writing and installing plugins? >> > Yes, and also no. This is 1 thing that has been pulled. If Valve start > pulling more I will reverse my opinion. But in this case they obviously dont > want 32 man servers and are (regardless of what anyone says) well within > their right to stop supporting them. Note they are NOT killing the servers - > simply removing them from the lists There may still be a deeper reason > for it to be pulled. > As a server admin I am not going to be scared to put mods on - and if I do > and the server disappears from the list I will remove the mods (and probably > bitch to high heaven about it if I feel it is unfair). > Your right though there are those that will be scared though - should we not > be reassuring them rather than bitching at Valve who are obviously > deliberately not replying. If they remove more servers - then is the time to > worry IMO and hit them with all the force the community has got. > > >> If you are happy with running 7 vanilla servers for the next 5 years, >> good for you. I'm not doing it and there are loads of others who >> won't. I'll feel sorry for you, when years down the line, they are all >> broken overnight, because Valve had petty reasons they deemed more >> important than you and your gaming community. >> > I don't see it - there is worry over CSS servers all the time (I have run 10 > of those for a long while by the way) - not to the same level agreed - and > they have not died a major death. > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton >> Sent: 15 Octo
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Chris, your right we seem to hash and rehash a lot of the same complaints here regularly. I just wish we knew if any of these complaints ever gets acted upon. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Jason, I want way less than that and anyone who "demands" more is a total whiner. What the heck, why does Valve bother with multi-player games? I mean wouldn't it be a lot less hassle if they made just single player games? After all, user experience is paramount. In a single player game, we don't have to put up with hackers or childish people who ruin a players gaming experience. If Valve doesn’t believe that admins in the community are capable of delivering a good gaming experience, they should just shut up shop and forget about this multiplayer gaming business. Because I'm tired of the petty games they play. This community has been telling them for years simple and effective ways to stop servers from being broken and they listen carefully and devised ways to piss us off even more by ignoring us and making a bad situation worse. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason O. Washburn Sent: 15 October 2007 20:13 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I can live with all this I just want Valve Admin tools so we don't have to worry about updates breaking the server plug-ins. Heck why can't they do all the cool plug-ins that people like?:-( Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:02 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Don't release it. You'll only artificially help keep a game going that doesn't deserve your attention. Valve don't want mods, so as far as I'm concerned, TF2 can die the slow and painful death it deserves. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma Sent: 15 October 2007 19:15 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. The filter is in place on Valve's end. You can't just "remove the filter." I have created a working plugin to allow 32 player servers to still be listed, but I am debating with myself whether or not I should release it. I have ethical concerns as well as liking the attention that owning one of the few 32 player servers brings. Releasing the plugin will: a) Make Valve mad and find other ways to bring 32 player servers down that us server admins certainly will not appreciate. b) Diminish the value of the hard work that people like myself have done just to get on the list since there will certainly all of a sudden be a myriad of 32 player servers to choose from c) ??? d) Profit. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:00 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Why not simply remove the filter? > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tony Paloma > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:55 > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Betreff: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player servers > did to get on the list. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex edit/hack or > something like that. It was a normal plugin --> And my server is still > removed from the serverlist. > > Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, but remove > their servers if they use it... great! > > What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... > > Two options: > - Shut down my server to run something else > - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Jason O. Washburn wrote: > Chris, your right we seem to hash and rehash a lot of the same complaints > here regularly. I just wish we knew if any of these complaints ever gets > acted upon. > > Jason > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > Jason, > > I want way less than that and anyone who "demands" more is a total whiner. > What the heck, why does Valve bother with multi-player games? I mean > wouldn't it be a lot less hassle if they made just single player games? > > After all, user experience is paramount. In a single player game, we don't > have to put up with hackers or childish people who ruin a players gaming > experience. > > If Valve doesn’t believe that admins in the community are capable of > delivering a good gaming experience, they should just shut up shop and > forget about this multiplayer gaming business. Because I'm tired of the > petty games they play. > > This community has been telling them for years simple and effective ways to > stop servers from being broken and they listen carefully and devised ways to > piss us off even more by ignoring us and making a bad situation worse. > > Chris. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason O. Washburn > Sent: 15 October 2007 20:13 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > I can live with all this I just want Valve Admin tools so we don't have to > worry about updates breaking the server plug-ins. Heck why can't they do > all the cool plug-ins that people like?:-( > > Jason > > -----Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:02 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > Don't release it. You'll only artificially help keep a game going that > doesn't deserve your attention. > > Valve don't want mods, so as far as I'm concerned, TF2 can die the slow and > painful death it deserves. > > Chris. > > -----Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:15 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > The filter is in place on Valve's end. You can't just "remove the filter." I > have created a working plugin to allow 32 player servers to still be listed, > but I am debating with myself whether or not I should release it. I have > ethical concerns as well as liking the attention that owning one of the few > 32 player servers brings. > > Releasing the plugin will: > a) Make Valve mad and find other ways to bring 32 player servers down that > us server admins certainly will not appreciate. > b) Diminish the value of the hard work that people like myself have done > just to get on the list since there will certainly all of a sudden be a > myriad of 32 player servers to choose from > c) ??? > d) Profit. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:00 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Why not simply remove the filter? > > >> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tony Paloma >> Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:55 >> An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Betreff: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from >> the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >> >> Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player servers >> did to get on the list. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm >> Sent: Monday, October 15
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that and the other. Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and whinning like female dogs. Get some f***ing perspective ffs. On 10/15/07, Mike Munoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Silence from Valve is deafening... > > > Mike ParaDOX > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi > is > behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is > the > Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling > halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve > forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. > > Chris. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, > > there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up > > "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada > > yada" > > Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I > did post something like that yesterday :( > > > As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what > > Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know what they > > are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM REASON" to why > > they are removing servers from the list? > I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve > might > do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected, the hack / mod surfaced, > people got excited and Valve publicly weren't happy with it. I dont think > randomly killed is fair - perhaps unexpectedly. They are NOT going to turn > round tomorrow and kill Eventscripts or MM:S and so on.. (when they get to > OB source). > > > With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod servers > > from the list, but you might find that your server has been removed > > because Valve didn't like a side effect of a particular metamod > > plugin. If they don't give us a clue as to what the rules are, then we > > have to assume that any plugin is a risk. > Sorry that was a joke - Im not MM:S fan :) > > > It doesn't matter how valid anyone thinks any reason the master list > > removal is. If server admins become scared to install plugins, because > > they don't know whether that plugin will incur the wrath of valves > > list server, then why bother writing and installing plugins? > Yes, and also no. This is 1 thing that has been pulled. If Valve start > pulling more I will reverse my opinion. But in this case they obviously > dont > want 32 man servers and are (regardless of what anyone says) well within > their right to stop supporting them. Note they are NOT killing the servers > - > simply removing them from the lists There may still be a deeper reason > for it to be pulled. > As a server admin I am not going to be scared to put mods on - and if I do > and the server disappears from the list I will remove the mods (and > probably > bitch to high heaven about it if I feel it is unfair). > Your right though there are those that will be scared though - should we > not > be reassuring them rather than bitching at Valve who are obviously > deliberately not replying. If they remove more servers - then is the time > to > worry IMO and hit them with all the force the community has got. > > > If you are happy with running 7 vanilla servers for the next 5 years, > > good for you. I'm not doing it and there are loads of others who > > won't. I'll feel sorry for you, when years down the line, they are all > > broken overnight, because Valve had petty reasons they deemed more > > important than you and your gaming community. > I don't see it - there is worry over CSS servers all the time (I have run > 10 > of those for a long while by the way) - no
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RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
I think they should at least explain why they decided to not show > 24 player servers. And if its permanent or not. That's not too much to ask for. It's their silence in the issue that has people going around and doing workarounds. -Original Message- From: Patrick Shelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 4:50 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that and the other. Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and whinning like female dogs. Get some f***ing perspective ffs. On 10/15/07, Mike Munoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Silence from Valve is deafening... > > > Mike ParaDOX > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi > is > behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is > the > Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling > halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve > forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. > > Chris. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, > > there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up > > "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada > > yada" > > Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I > did post something like that yesterday :( > > > As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what > > Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know what they > > are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM REASON" to why > > they are removing servers from the list? > I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve > might > do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected, the hack / mod surfaced, > people got excited and Valve publicly weren't happy with it. I dont think > randomly killed is fair - perhaps unexpectedly. They are NOT going to turn > round tomorrow and kill Eventscripts or MM:S and so on.. (when they get to > OB source). > > > With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod servers > > from the list, but you might find that your server has been removed > > because Valve didn't like a side effect of a particular metamod > > plugin. If they don't give us a clue as to what the rules are, then we > > have to assume that any plugin is a risk. > Sorry that was a joke - Im not MM:S fan :) > > > It doesn't matter how valid anyone thinks any reason the master list > > removal is. If server admins become scared to install plugins, because > > they don't know whether that plugin will incur the wrath of valves > > list server, then why bother writing and installing plugins? > Yes, and also no. This is 1 thing that has been pulled. If Valve start > pulling more I will reverse my opinion. But in this case they obviously > dont > want 32 man servers and are (regardless of what anyone says) well within > their right to stop supporting them. Note they are NOT killing the servers > - > simply removing them from the lists There may still be a deeper reason > for it to be pulled. > As a server admin I am not going to be scared to put mods on - and if I do > and the server disappears from the list I will remove the mods (and > probably > bitch to high heaven about it if I feel it is unfair). > Your right though there are those that will be scared though - should we > not > be reassuring them rather than bitching at Valve who are obviously > deliberately not replying. If they remove more servers - then is the time > to > worry IMO and hit them with all the force the community has got. > > > If
Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Patrick Shelley wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that > and the other. > > Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and > whinning like female dogs. > > Get some f***ing perspective ffs. > > > On 10/15/07, Mike Munoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The Silence from Valve is deafening... >> >> >> Mike ParaDOX >> >> www.paradisesgarage.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett >> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the >> steam master servers, without any annoucment. >> >> Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi >> is >> behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is >> the >> Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling >> halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve >> forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. >> >> Chris. >> >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton >> Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the >> steam master servers, without any annoucment. >> >> >> >>> I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, >>> there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up >>> "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada >>> yada" >>> >> Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I >> did post something like that yesterday :( >> >> >>> As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what >>> Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know what they >>> are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM REASON" to why >>> they are removing servers from the list? >>> >> I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve >> might >> do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected, the hack / mod surfaced, >> people got excited and Valve publicly weren't happy with it. I dont think >> randomly killed is fair - perhaps unexpectedly. They are NOT going to turn >> round tomorrow and kill Eventscripts or MM:S and so on.. (when they get to >> OB source). >> >> >>> With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod servers >>> from the list, but you might find that your server has been removed >>> because Valve didn't like a side effect of a particular metamod >>> plugin. If they don't give us a clue as to what the rules are, then we >>> have to assume that any plugin is a risk. >>> >> Sorry that was a joke - Im not MM:S fan :) >> >> >>> It doesn't matter how valid anyone thinks any reason the master list >>> removal is. If server admins become scared to install plugins, because >>> they don't know whether that plugin will incur the wrath of valves >>> list server, then why bother writing and installing plugins? >>> >> Yes, and also no. This is 1 thing that has been pulled. If Valve start >> pulling more I will reverse my opinion. But in this case they obviously >> dont >> want 32 man servers and are (regardless of what anyone says) well within >> their right to stop supporting them. Note they are NOT killing the servers >> - >> simply removing them from the lists There may still be a deeper reason >> for it to be pulled. >> As a server admin I am not going to be scared to put mods on - and if I do >> and the server disappears from the list I will remove the mods (and >> probably >> bitch to high heaven about it if I feel it is unfair). >> Your right though there are those that will be scared though - should we >> not >> be reassuring them rather than bitching at Valve who are obviously >> deliberately not replying. If they remove more servers - then is the time >> to >> wor
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
It's in Valves interest to spoil us by allowing us to serve our gaming communities with varied and unique servers. Learn the history of the games and the countless mods that have kept those games alive for years. Glad that you acknowledge that we are "all moaning", if a brain donor like you notices that, then perhaps Valve will. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley Sent: 15 October 2007 21:50 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that and the other. Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and whinning like female dogs. Get some f***ing perspective ffs. On 10/15/07, Mike Munoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Silence from Valve is deafening... > > > Mike ParaDOX > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi > is > behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is > the > Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling > halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve > forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. > > Chris. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, > > there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up > > "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada > > yada" > > Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I > did post something like that yesterday :( > > > As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what > > Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know what they > > are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM REASON" to why > > they are removing servers from the list? > I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve > might > do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected, the hack / mod surfaced, > people got excited and Valve publicly weren't happy with it. I dont think > randomly killed is fair - perhaps unexpectedly. They are NOT going to turn > round tomorrow and kill Eventscripts or MM:S and so on.. (when they get to > OB source). > > > With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod servers > > from the list, but you might find that your server has been removed > > because Valve didn't like a side effect of a particular metamod > > plugin. If they don't give us a clue as to what the rules are, then we > > have to assume that any plugin is a risk. > Sorry that was a joke - Im not MM:S fan :) > > > It doesn't matter how valid anyone thinks any reason the master list > > removal is. If server admins become scared to install plugins, because > > they don't know whether that plugin will incur the wrath of valves > > list server, then why bother writing and installing plugins? > Yes, and also no. This is 1 thing that has been pulled. If Valve start > pulling more I will reverse my opinion. But in this case they obviously > dont > want 32 man servers and are (regardless of what anyone says) well within > their right to stop supporting them. Note they are NOT killing the servers > - > simply removing them from the lists There may still be a deeper reason > for it to be pulled. > As a server admin I am not going to be scared to put mods on - and if I do > and the server disappears from the list I will remove the mods (and > probably > bitch to high heaven about it if I feel it is unfair). > Your right though there are those that will be scared though - should we > not > be reassuring them rather than bitching at Valve who are obviously > deliberately not replying. If they r
Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Is there a voteban option on this mailing list? Lets voteban Chris off this. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:15:12 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. It's in Valves interest to spoil us by allowing us to serve our gaming communities with varied and unique servers. Learn the history of the games and the countless mods that have kept those games alive for years. Glad that you acknowledge that we are "all moaning", if a brain donor like you notices that, then perhaps Valve will. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley Sent: 15 October 2007 21:50 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that and the other. Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and whinning like female dogs. Get some f***ing perspective ffs. On 10/15/07, Mike Munoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Silence from Valve is deafening... > > > Mike ParaDOX > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi > is > behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is > the > Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling > halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve > forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. > > Chris. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, > > there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up > > "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada > > yada" > > Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I > did post something like that yesterday :( > > > As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what > > Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know what they > > are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM REASON" to why > > they are removing servers from the list? > I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve > might > do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected, the hack / mod surfaced, > people got excited and Valve publicly weren't happy with it. I dont think > randomly killed is fair - perhaps unexpectedly. They are NOT going to turn > round tomorrow and kill Eventscripts or MM:S and so on.. (when they get to > OB source). > > > With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod servers > > from the list, but you might find that your server has been removed > > because Valve didn't like a side effect of a particular metamod > > plugin. If they don't give us a clue as to what the rules are, then we > > have to assume that any plugin is a risk. > Sorry that was a joke - Im not MM:S fan :) > > > It doesn't matter how valid anyone thinks any reason the master list > > removal is. If server admins become scared to install plugins, because > > they don't know whether that plugin will incur the wrath of valves > > list server, then why bother writing and installing plugins? > Yes, and also no. This is 1 thing that has been pulled. If Valve start > pulling more I will reverse my opinion. But in this case they obviously > dont > want 32 man servers and are (regardless of what anyone says) well within > their right to stop supporting them. Note they are NOT killing the servers > - > simply removing them from the lists There may still be a deeper reason > for it to be pulled. > As a server admin I am not
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
Why because he has a valid point and you don't want to hear it? Mike ParaDOX www.paradisesgarage.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:21 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Is there a voteban option on this mailing list? Lets voteban Chris off this. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:15:12 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. It's in Valves interest to spoil us by allowing us to serve our gaming communities with varied and unique servers. Learn the history of the games and the countless mods that have kept those games alive for years. Glad that you acknowledge that we are "all moaning", if a brain donor like you notices that, then perhaps Valve will. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley Sent: 15 October 2007 21:50 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that and the other. Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and whinning like female dogs. Get some f***ing perspective ffs. On 10/15/07, Mike Munoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Silence from Valve is deafening... > > > Mike ParaDOX > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown > Lombardi is behind all of this. That man is responsible for the > abomination that is the Steam forums, you know. Where they went out > and found the worst trolling halfwits the internet has to offer and > gave them the keys to the Valve forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of > Lombardi better. > > Chris. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this > > community, there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and > > clever to post up "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm > > alright Jack..yada yada yada" > > Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - > and I did post something like that yesterday :( > > > As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew > > what Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know > > what they are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM > > REASON" to why they are removing servers from the list? > I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve > might do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected, the hack / mod > surfaced, people got excited and Valve publicly weren't happy with it. > I dont think randomly killed is fair - perhaps unexpectedly. They are > NOT going to turn round tomorrow and kill Eventscripts or MM:S and so > on.. (when they get to OB source). > > > With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod > > servers from the list, but you might find that your server has been > > removed because Valve didn't like a side effect of a particular > > metamod plugin. If they don't give us a clue as to what the rules > > are, then we have to assume that any plugin is a risk. > Sorry that was a joke - Im not MM:S fan :) > > > It doesn't matter how valid anyone thinks any reason the master list > > removal is. If server admins become scared to install plugins, > > because they don't know whether that plugin will incur the wrath of > > valves list server, then why bother writing and installing plugins? > Yes, and also no. This is 1 thing that has been pulled. If Valve
RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment.
I suppose you would have to complain to Valve. Tell them you don't like me and that I'm a very nasty person...well probably a nasty person and ask them what mood they are in. Because they sure as hell don't listen to reasoned argument. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: 15 October 2007 22:21 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Is there a voteban option on this mailing list? Lets voteban Chris off this. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:15:12 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. It's in Valves interest to spoil us by allowing us to serve our gaming communities with varied and unique servers. Learn the history of the games and the countless mods that have kept those games alive for years. Glad that you acknowledge that we are "all moaning", if a brain donor like you notices that, then perhaps Valve will. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley Sent: 15 October 2007 21:50 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that and the other. Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and whinning like female dogs. Get some f***ing perspective ffs. On 10/15/07, Mike Munoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Silence from Valve is deafening... > > > Mike ParaDOX > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi > is > behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is > the > Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling > halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve > forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. > > Chris. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, > > there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up > > "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada > > yada" > > Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I > did post something like that yesterday :( > > > As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what > > Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know what they > > are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM REASON" to why > > they are removing servers from the list? > I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve > might > do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected, the hack / mod surfaced, > people got excited and Valve publicly weren't happy with it. I dont think > randomly killed is fair - perhaps unexpectedly. They are NOT going to turn > round tomorrow and kill Eventscripts or MM:S and so on.. (when they get to > OB source). > > > With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod servers > > from the list, but you might find that your server has been removed > > because Valve didn't like a side effect of a particular metamod > > plugin. If they don't give us a clue as to what the rules are, then we > > have to assume that any plugin is a risk. > Sorry that was a joke - Im not MM:S fan :) > > > It doesn't matter how valid anyone thinks any reason the master list > > removal is. If server admins become scared to install plugins, because > > they don't know whether that plugin will incur the wrath o
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why dont you send in a support ticket to valve and take it up with them there or call them. Either way works for me as long as its not here cause obviously they are on a break at the moment celebrating what they have been working on for almost 2 years. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:10:53 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I suppose you would have to complain to Valve. Tell them you don't like me and that I'm a very nasty person...well probably a nasty person and ask them what mood they are in. Because they sure as hell don't listen to reasoned argument. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: 15 October 2007 22:21 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Is there a voteban option on this mailing list? Lets voteban Chris off this. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:15:12 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. It's in Valves interest to spoil us by allowing us to serve our gaming communities with varied and unique servers. Learn the history of the games and the countless mods that have kept those games alive for years. Glad that you acknowledge that we are "all moaning", if a brain donor like you notices that, then perhaps Valve will. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley Sent: 15 October 2007 21:50 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that and the other. Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and whinning like female dogs. Get some f***ing perspective ffs. On 10/15/07, Mike Munoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Silence from Valve is deafening... > > > Mike ParaDOX > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi > is > behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is > the > Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling > halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve > forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. > > Chris. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, > > there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up > > "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada > > yada" > > Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I > did post something like that yesterday :( > > > As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what > > Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know what they > > are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM REASON" to why > > they are removing servers from the list? > I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve > might > do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected, the hack / mod surfaced, > people got excited and Valve publicly weren't happy with it. I dont think > randomly killed is fair - perhaps unexpectedly. They are NOT going to turn > round tomorrow and kill Eventscripts or MM:S and so on.. (when they get to > OB source). > > > With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod servers &g
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That would be as useful and as appropriate as me sending you a bunch of flowers and chocolates. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: 16 October 2007 00:47 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why dont you send in a support ticket to valve and take it up with them there or call them. Either way works for me as long as its not here cause obviously they are on a break at the moment celebrating what they have been working on for almost 2 years. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:10:53 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I suppose you would have to complain to Valve. Tell them you don't like me and that I'm a very nasty person...well probably a nasty person and ask them what mood they are in. Because they sure as hell don't listen to reasoned argument. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: 15 October 2007 22:21 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Is there a voteban option on this mailing list? Lets voteban Chris off this. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:15:12 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. It's in Valves interest to spoil us by allowing us to serve our gaming communities with varied and unique servers. Learn the history of the games and the countless mods that have kept those games alive for years. Glad that you acknowledge that we are "all moaning", if a brain donor like you notices that, then perhaps Valve will. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley Sent: 15 October 2007 21:50 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that and the other. Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and whinning like female dogs. Get some f***ing perspective ffs. On 10/15/07, Mike Munoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Silence from Valve is deafening... > > > Mike ParaDOX > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi > is > behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is > the > Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling > halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve > forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. > > Chris. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, > > there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up > > "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada > > yada" > > Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I > did post something like that yesterday :( > > > As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what > > Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know what they > > are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM REASON" to why > > they are removing servers from the list? > I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve > might > do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected,
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] That can be arranged. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:34:51 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. That would be as useful and as appropriate as me sending you a bunch of flowers and chocolates. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: 16 October 2007 00:47 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why dont you send in a support ticket to valve and take it up with them there or call them. Either way works for me as long as its not here cause obviously they are on a break at the moment celebrating what they have been working on for almost 2 years. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:10:53 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I suppose you would have to complain to Valve. Tell them you don't like me and that I'm a very nasty person...well probably a nasty person and ask them what mood they are in. Because they sure as hell don't listen to reasoned argument. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: 15 October 2007 22:21 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Is there a voteban option on this mailing list? Lets voteban Chris off this. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:15:12 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. It's in Valves interest to spoil us by allowing us to serve our gaming communities with varied and unique servers. Learn the history of the games and the countless mods that have kept those games alive for years. Glad that you acknowledge that we are "all moaning", if a brain donor like you notices that, then perhaps Valve will. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley Sent: 15 October 2007 21:50 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that and the other. Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and whinning like female dogs. Get some f***ing perspective ffs. On 10/15/07, Mike Munoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Silence from Valve is deafening... > > > Mike ParaDOX > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi > is > behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is > the > Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling > halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve > forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. > > Chris. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, > > there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up > > "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada > > yada" > > Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I > did post something like that yesterday :( > > > As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what > > Valve was g
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Yup. You definatly work for Valve support sweetheart. Xxx :-D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: 16 October 2007 01:56 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] That can be arranged. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:34:51 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. That would be as useful and as appropriate as me sending you a bunch of flowers and chocolates. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: 16 October 2007 00:47 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why dont you send in a support ticket to valve and take it up with them there or call them. Either way works for me as long as its not here cause obviously they are on a break at the moment celebrating what they have been working on for almost 2 years. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:10:53 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I suppose you would have to complain to Valve. Tell them you don't like me and that I'm a very nasty person...well probably a nasty person and ask them what mood they are in. Because they sure as hell don't listen to reasoned argument. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: 15 October 2007 22:21 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Is there a voteban option on this mailing list? Lets voteban Chris off this. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:15:12 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. It's in Valves interest to spoil us by allowing us to serve our gaming communities with varied and unique servers. Learn the history of the games and the countless mods that have kept those games alive for years. Glad that you acknowledge that we are "all moaning", if a brain donor like you notices that, then perhaps Valve will. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley Sent: 15 October 2007 21:50 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that and the other. Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and whinning like female dogs. Get some f***ing perspective ffs. On 10/15/07, Mike Munoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Silence from Valve is deafening... > > > Mike ParaDOX > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi > is > behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is > the > Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling > halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve > forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. > > Chris. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, > > there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up > >
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I think you have major issues... Why would I spend my free time on a Monday night on here if I was working for Valve? I will actualy put in a nice ticket so Valve can do somthing about you. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:33:07 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Yup. You definatly work for Valve support sweetheart. Xxx :-D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: 16 October 2007 01:56 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] That can be arranged. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:34:51 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. That would be as useful and as appropriate as me sending you a bunch of flowers and chocolates. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: 16 October 2007 00:47 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why dont you send in a support ticket to valve and take it up with them there or call them. Either way works for me as long as its not here cause obviously they are on a break at the moment celebrating what they have been working on for almost 2 years. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:10:53 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I suppose you would have to complain to Valve. Tell them you don't like me and that I'm a very nasty person...well probably a nasty person and ask them what mood they are in. Because they sure as hell don't listen to reasoned argument. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: 15 October 2007 22:21 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Is there a voteban option on this mailing list? Lets voteban Chris off this. - Original Message From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:15:12 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. It's in Valves interest to spoil us by allowing us to serve our gaming communities with varied and unique servers. Learn the history of the games and the countless mods that have kept those games alive for years. Glad that you acknowledge that we are "all moaning", if a brain donor like you notices that, then perhaps Valve will. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley Sent: 15 October 2007 21:50 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that and the other. Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and whinning like female dogs. Get some f***ing perspective ffs. On 10/15/07, Mike Munoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Silence from Valve is deafening... > > > Mike ParaDOX > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi > is > behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is > the > Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling > halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve > forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. > >
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] DontWannaName! wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > I think you have major issues... Why would I spend my free time on a Monday > night on here if I was working for Valve? I will actualy put in a nice ticket > so Valve can do somthing about you. > > > - Original Message > From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:33:07 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > Yup. You definatly work for Valve support sweetheart. Xxx > > :-D > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! > Sent: 16 October 2007 01:56 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > That can be arranged. > > > - Original Message > From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:34:51 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > That would be as useful and as appropriate as me sending you a bunch of > flowers and chocolates. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! > Sent: 16 October 2007 00:47 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Why dont you send in a support ticket to valve and take it up with them > there or call them. Either way works for me as long as its not here cause > obviously they are on a break at the moment celebrating what they have been > working on for almost 2 years. > > > - Original Message ---- > From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:10:53 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > I suppose you would have to complain to Valve. Tell them you don't like me > and that I'm a very nasty person...well probably a nasty person and ask them > what mood they are in. Because they sure as hell don't listen to reasoned > argument. > > Chris. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! > Sent: 15 October 2007 22:21 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Is there a voteban option on this mailing list? Lets voteban Chris off this. > > > - Original Message > From: Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:15:12 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > It's in Valves interest to spoil us by allowing us to serve our gaming > communities with varied and unique servers. Learn the history of the games > and the countless mods that have kept those games alive for years. > > Glad that you acknowledge that we are "all moaning", if a brain donor like > you notices that, then perhaps Valve will. > > :-) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley > Sent: 15 October 2007 21:50 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that > and the other. > > Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and > whinning like female dogs. > > Get some f***ing perspective ffs. > > > On 10/15/07, Mike Munoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The Silence from Valve is deafening... >> >> >> Mike ParaDOX >> >> www.paradisesgarage.com >> >> >> -Origi
