RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
Yes. Mike is awesome. - voogru. -Original Message- From: LDuke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:36 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mike Durand has been more than helpful with all of the files he's made available at different times based on many specific requests in the hlcoders list. Valve didn't have to release anything before the SDK is ready to release, but they did. On 10/16/07, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented any beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own marketing reasons and to help themselves and not us. I guess that's why they released the SDK header files early for us so we could get to work on server mods right away, nah that wasn't supposed to help us at all. :rolleyes: -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
Duke, I'm glad you're getting what you want. But at the end of the day, if Valve just hoisst the server binaries on us, without a beta, then it's thousands of people who can put out when it all goes tits up. I've been asking for anywhere between a year and 2 years now, for a simple system, where they release a binary as beta, then as live two weeks later. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke Sent: 17 October 2007 02:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mike Durand has been more than helpful with all of the files he's made available at different times based on many specific requests in the hlcoders list. Valve didn't have to release anything before the SDK is ready to release, but they did. On 10/16/07, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented any beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own marketing reasons and to help themselves and not us. I guess that's why they released the SDK header files early for us so we could get to work on server mods right away, nah that wasn't supposed to help us at all. :rolleyes: -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
They didn't have to make the games. What's your point? My point is, while I'm happy that the SDK caters for the mods who knock out some great tools to keep our servers unique, the whole lot becomes pointless, if we really don't have a clue about the updates Valve is releasing, because Valve can't be bothered to run betas. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald Sent: 17 October 2007 09:15 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements Yes. Mike is awesome. - voogru. -Original Message- From: LDuke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:36 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mike Durand has been more than helpful with all of the files he's made available at different times based on many specific requests in the hlcoders list. Valve didn't have to release anything before the SDK is ready to release, but they did. On 10/16/07, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented any beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own marketing reasons and to help themselves and not us. I guess that's why they released the SDK header files early for us so we could get to work on server mods right away, nah that wasn't supposed to help us at all. :rolleyes: -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
When it suited them. When the project was so big they wanted the stats back. They did because they needed the communities help. When they no longer need our help, they'll be releasing the binaries with no betas. Remember the variable weapon prices in Counter-Strike source? Everyone told me to shut up and that Valve had introduced betas finally. I was even stupid enough to thank Valve, even though they had made no formal promises that everything would be released as beta in future. Within weeks, they was back to their old ways. Hoisting brand new binaries as live and servers were left broken. So it doesn't matter how many times they did do a beta, it's all the times they didn't. If you want to put a smile on my face, get Alfred to commit to betas 100% of the time. That all future binaries will be released as beta first. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: 17 October 2007 12:11 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I don't know if you remember, but they have done beta releases many times in the past, usually done with a -beta[number] command added to the update tool's arguments. On 10/17/07, Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duke, I'm glad you're getting what you want. But at the end of the day, if Valve just hoisst the server binaries on us, without a beta, then it's thousands of people who can put out when it all goes tits up. I've been asking for anywhere between a year and 2 years now, for a simple system, where they release a binary as beta, then as live two weeks later. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke Sent: 17 October 2007 02:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mike Durand has been more than helpful with all of the files he's made available at different times based on many specific requests in the hlcoders list. Valve didn't have to release anything before the SDK is ready to release, but they did. On 10/16/07, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented any beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own marketing reasons and to help themselves and not us. I guess that's why they released the SDK header files early for us so we could get to work on server mods right away, nah that wasn't supposed to help us at all. :rolleyes: -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
Uhh am I missing something? Most of the last updates have been pre-released early as 'beta' and can be updated via -beta on the command line! Usually a week before proper release.. Tom -- From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:26 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements When it suited them. When the project was so big they wanted the stats back. They did because they needed the communities help. When they no longer need our help, they'll be releasing the binaries with no betas. Remember the variable weapon prices in Counter-Strike source? Everyone told me to shut up and that Valve had introduced betas finally. I was even stupid enough to thank Valve, even though they had made no formal promises that everything would be released as beta in future. Within weeks, they was back to their old ways. Hoisting brand new binaries as live and servers were left broken. So it doesn't matter how many times they did do a beta, it's all the times they didn't. If you want to put a smile on my face, get Alfred to commit to betas 100% of the time. That all future binaries will be released as beta first. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: 17 October 2007 12:11 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I don't know if you remember, but they have done beta releases many times in the past, usually done with a -beta[number] command added to the update tool's arguments. On 10/17/07, Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duke, I'm glad you're getting what you want. But at the end of the day, if Valve just hoisst the server binaries on us, without a beta, then it's thousands of people who can put out when it all goes tits up. I've been asking for anywhere between a year and 2 years now, for a simple system, where they release a binary as beta, then as live two weeks later. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke Sent: 17 October 2007 02:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mike Durand has been more than helpful with all of the files he's made available at different times based on many specific requests in the hlcoders list. Valve didn't have to release anything before the SDK is ready to release, but they did. On 10/16/07, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented any beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own marketing reasons and to help themselves and not us. I guess that's why they released the SDK header files early for us so we could get to work on server mods right away, nah that wasn't supposed to help us at all. :rolleyes: -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
Most of the last updates Most. That means. Most of the last updates Valve released as beta for their own interests. Not yours or mine. When Valve thinks they can get away with it, when it doesn't bring down most servers or piss off the army of 13 year olds who'll flood their helpdesks, they'll just hoist it upon us with no beta. Don't believe me? You get Alfred to commit to betas 100% percent on all released binaries. You won't, because his firm isn't interested in investing any time on anything no matter how small, that just benefits the server admin guys. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: 17 October 2007 12:33 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements Uhh am I missing something? Most of the last updates have been pre-released early as 'beta' and can be updated via -beta on the command line! Usually a week before proper release.. Tom -- From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:26 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements When it suited them. When the project was so big they wanted the stats back. They did because they needed the communities help. When they no longer need our help, they'll be releasing the binaries with no betas. Remember the variable weapon prices in Counter-Strike source? Everyone told me to shut up and that Valve had introduced betas finally. I was even stupid enough to thank Valve, even though they had made no formal promises that everything would be released as beta in future. Within weeks, they was back to their old ways. Hoisting brand new binaries as live and servers were left broken. So it doesn't matter how many times they did do a beta, it's all the times they didn't. If you want to put a smile on my face, get Alfred to commit to betas 100% of the time. That all future binaries will be released as beta first. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: 17 October 2007 12:11 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I don't know if you remember, but they have done beta releases many times in the past, usually done with a -beta[number] command added to the update tool's arguments. On 10/17/07, Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duke, I'm glad you're getting what you want. But at the end of the day, if Valve just hoisst the server binaries on us, without a beta, then it's thousands of people who can put out when it all goes tits up. I've been asking for anywhere between a year and 2 years now, for a simple system, where they release a binary as beta, then as live two weeks later. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke Sent: 17 October 2007 02:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mike Durand has been more than helpful with all of the files he's made available at different times based on many specific requests in the hlcoders list. Valve didn't have to release anything before the SDK is ready to release, but they did. On 10/16/07, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented any beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own marketing reasons and to help themselves and not us. I guess that's why they released the SDK header files early for us so we could get to work on server mods right away, nah that wasn't supposed to help us at all. :rolleyes: -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please
RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
Oh right. So what you're saying is that if we want our servers to run hassle free, we should run them vanilla. Isn't that a bit ironic for a bunch of games that exist to be modded? Most servers are modded. For the 600th time (LITERALLY!) No one is expecting Valve to support the mods. What I expect Valve to do, is to stop a crazy system where 1000's of servers *MOST* of which are running mods, are updated out of the blue. For the 601st time. Give us a guaranteed beta system...please. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: 17 October 2007 12:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] As far as I know, all stock servers with no modifications or extras installed have always worked properly on all released binaries. Valve does not support third party plugins directly, and so any plugin-breakage due to updates from them does not matter to them. I always had a test server running on a spare box updated nightly, stock server with no addons, and I never remember a time where it wouldn't run as expected. If you were running a stock server with no addons, though, please forgive me for my statement. On 10/17/07, Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When it suited them. When the project was so big they wanted the stats back. They did because they needed the communities help. When they no longer need our help, they'll be releasing the binaries with no betas. Remember the variable weapon prices in Counter-Strike source? Everyone told me to shut up and that Valve had introduced betas finally. I was even stupid enough to thank Valve, even though they had made no formal promises that everything would be released as beta in future. Within weeks, they was back to their old ways. Hoisting brand new binaries as live and servers were left broken. So it doesn't matter how many times they did do a beta, it's all the times they didn't. If you want to put a smile on my face, get Alfred to commit to betas 100% of the time. That all future binaries will be released as beta first. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: 17 October 2007 12:11 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I don't know if you remember, but they have done beta releases many times in the past, usually done with a -beta[number] command added to the update tool's arguments. On 10/17/07, Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duke, I'm glad you're getting what you want. But at the end of the day, if Valve just hoisst the server binaries on us, without a beta, then it's thousands of people who can put out when it all goes tits up. I've been asking for anywhere between a year and 2 years now, for a simple system, where they release a binary as beta, then as live two weeks later. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke Sent: 17 October 2007 02:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mike Durand has been more than helpful with all of the files he's made available at different times based on many specific requests in the hlcoders list. Valve didn't have to release anything before the SDK is ready to release, but they did. On 10/16/07, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented any beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own marketing reasons and to help themselves and not us. I guess that's why they released the SDK header files early for us so we could get to work on server mods right away, nah that wasn't supposed to help us at all. :rolleyes: -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list
RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
What's the chance of kicking this Barnett guy off the list? Seems we get idiots like him once a year and have to suffer through their adolescent view of things, it gets tiresome. -- Original Message -- From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:06:12 +0100 Most of the last updates Most. That means. Most of the last updates Valve released as beta for their own interests. Not yours or mine. When Valve thinks they can get away with it, when it doesn't bring down most servers or piss off the army of 13 year olds who'll flood their helpdesks, they'll just hoist it upon us with no beta. Don't believe me? You get Alfred to commit to betas 100% percent on all released binaries. You won't, because his firm isn't interested in investing any time on anything no matter how small, that just benefits the server admin guys. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: 17 October 2007 12:33 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements Uhh am I missing something? Most of the last updates have been pre-released early as 'beta' and can be updated via -beta on the command line! Usually a week before proper release.. Tom -- From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:26 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements When it suited them. When the project was so big they wanted the stats back. They did because they needed the communities help. When they no longer need our help, they'll be releasing the binaries with no betas. Remember the variable weapon prices in Counter-Strike source? Everyone told me to shut up and that Valve had introduced betas finally. I was even stupid enough to thank Valve, even though they had made no formal promises that everything would be released as beta in future. Within weeks, they was back to their old ways. Hoisting brand new binaries as live and servers were left broken. So it doesn't matter how many times they did do a beta, it's all the times they didn't. If you want to put a smile on my face, get Alfred to commit to betas 100% of the time. That all future binaries will be released as beta first. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: 17 October 2007 12:11 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I don't know if you remember, but they have done beta releases many times in the past, usually done with a -beta[number] command added to the update tool's arguments. On 10/17/07, Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duke, I'm glad you're getting what you want. But at the end of the day, if Valve just hoisst the server binaries on us, without a beta, then it's thousands of people who can put out when it all goes tits up. I've been asking for anywhere between a year and 2 years now, for a simple system, where they release a binary as beta, then as live two weeks later. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke Sent: 17 October 2007 02:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mike Durand has been more than helpful with all of the files he's made available at different times based on many specific requests in the hlcoders list. Valve didn't have to release anything before the SDK is ready to release, but they did. On 10/16/07, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented any beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own marketing reasons and to help themselves and not us. I guess that's why they released the SDK header files early for us so we could get to work on server mods right away, nah that wasn't supposed to help us at all. :rolleyes: -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http
Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
I second the motion -- From: larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:54 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements What's the chance of kicking this Barnett guy off the list? Seems we get idiots like him once a year and have to suffer through their adolescent view of things, it gets tiresome. -- Original Message -- From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:06:12 +0100 Most of the last updates Most. That means. Most of the last updates Valve released as beta for their own interests. Not yours or mine. When Valve thinks they can get away with it, when it doesn't bring down most servers or piss off the army of 13 year olds who'll flood their helpdesks, they'll just hoist it upon us with no beta. Don't believe me? You get Alfred to commit to betas 100% percent on all released binaries. You won't, because his firm isn't interested in investing any time on anything no matter how small, that just benefits the server admin guys. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: 17 October 2007 12:33 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements Uhh am I missing something? Most of the last updates have been pre-released early as 'beta' and can be updated via -beta on the command line! Usually a week before proper release.. Tom -- From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:26 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements When it suited them. When the project was so big they wanted the stats back. They did because they needed the communities help. When they no longer need our help, they'll be releasing the binaries with no betas. Remember the variable weapon prices in Counter-Strike source? Everyone told me to shut up and that Valve had introduced betas finally. I was even stupid enough to thank Valve, even though they had made no formal promises that everything would be released as beta in future. Within weeks, they was back to their old ways. Hoisting brand new binaries as live and servers were left broken. So it doesn't matter how many times they did do a beta, it's all the times they didn't. If you want to put a smile on my face, get Alfred to commit to betas 100% of the time. That all future binaries will be released as beta first. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: 17 October 2007 12:11 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I don't know if you remember, but they have done beta releases many times in the past, usually done with a -beta[number] command added to the update tool's arguments. On 10/17/07, Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duke, I'm glad you're getting what you want. But at the end of the day, if Valve just hoisst the server binaries on us, without a beta, then it's thousands of people who can put out when it all goes tits up. I've been asking for anywhere between a year and 2 years now, for a simple system, where they release a binary as beta, then as live two weeks later. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke Sent: 17 October 2007 02:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mike Durand has been more than helpful with all of the files he's made available at different times based on many specific requests in the hlcoders list. Valve didn't have to release anything before the SDK is ready to release, but they did. On 10/16/07, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented any beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own marketing reasons and to help themselves and not us. I guess that's why they released the SDK header files early for us so we could get to work on server mods right away, nah that wasn't supposed to help us at all. :rolleyes: -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo
Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] really... 'shut the front door' already for the 602 time.. :p - Original Message From: larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:54:21 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements What's the chance of kicking this Barnett guy off the list? Seems we get idiots like him once a year and have to suffer through their adolescent view of things, it gets tiresome. -- Original Message -- From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:06:12 +0100 Most of the last updates Most. That means. Most of the last updates Valve released as beta for their own interests. Not yours or mine. When Valve thinks they can get away with it, when it doesn't bring down most servers or piss off the army of 13 year olds who'll flood their helpdesks, they'll just hoist it upon us with no beta. Don't believe me? You get Alfred to commit to betas 100% percent on all released binaries. You won't, because his firm isn't interested in investing any time on anything no matter how small, that just benefits the server admin guys. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: 17 October 2007 12:33 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements Uhh am I missing something? Most of the last updates have been pre-released early as 'beta' and can be updated via -beta on the command line! Usually a week before proper release.. Tom -- From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:26 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements When it suited them. When the project was so big they wanted the stats back. They did because they needed the communities help. When they no longer need our help, they'll be releasing the binaries with no betas. Remember the variable weapon prices in Counter-Strike source? Everyone told me to shut up and that Valve had introduced betas finally. I was even stupid enough to thank Valve, even though they had made no formal promises that everything would be released as beta in future. Within weeks, they was back to their old ways. Hoisting brand new binaries as live and servers were left broken. So it doesn't matter how many times they did do a beta, it's all the times they didn't. If you want to put a smile on my face, get Alfred to commit to betas 100% of the time. That all future binaries will be released as beta first. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: 17 October 2007 12:11 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I don't know if you remember, but they have done beta releases many times in the past, usually done with a -beta[number] command added to the update tool's arguments. On 10/17/07, Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duke, I'm glad you're getting what you want. But at the end of the day, if Valve just hoisst the server binaries on us, without a beta, then it's thousands of people who can put out when it all goes tits up. I've been asking for anywhere between a year and 2 years now, for a simple system, where they release a binary as beta, then as live two weeks later. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke Sent: 17 October 2007 02:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mike Durand has been more than helpful with all of the files he's made available at different times based on many specific requests in the hlcoders list. Valve didn't have to release anything before the SDK is ready to release, but they did. On 10/16/07, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented any beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own marketing reasons and to help themselves and not us. I guess that's why they released the SDK header files early for us so we could get to work on server mods right away, nah that wasn't supposed to help us at all. :rolleyes: -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] All though I think its nice to see people committed to a cause out of a wish to make things a little easier for server hosts, I find it somewhat anoying to see my hotmail account filled with 50 new messages just during normal office hours. Important information and urgent issues might get lost in the jungle of Valve complaints - wich is unfortunate. I hope these matters can be handled offlist, or in Valves forums. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:13:40 -0700 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] really... 'shut the front door' already for the 602 time.. :p - Original Message From: larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:54:21 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements What's the chance of kicking this Barnett guy off the list? Seems we get idiots like him once a year and have to suffer through their adolescent view of things, it gets tiresome. -- Original Message -- From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:06:12 +0100 Most of the last updates Most. That means. Most of the last updates Valve released as beta for their own interests. Not yours or mine. When Valve thinks they can get away with it, when it doesn't bring down most servers or piss off the army of 13 year olds who'll flood their helpdesks, they'll just hoist it upon us with no beta. Don't believe me? You get Alfred to commit to betas 100% percent on all released binaries. You won't, because his firm isn't interested in investing any time on anything no matter how small, that just benefits the server admin guys.-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: 17 October 2007 12:33 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements Uhh am I missing something? Most of the last updates have been pre-released early as 'beta' and can be updated via -beta on the command line! Usually a week before proper release.. Tom -- From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:26 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements When it suited them. When the project was so big they wanted the stats back. They did because they needed the communities help. When they no longer need our help, they'll be releasing the binaries with no betas. Remember the variable weapon prices in Counter-Strike source? Everyone told me to shut up and that Valve had introduced betas finally. I was even stupid enough to thank Valve, even though they had made no formal promises that everything would be released as beta in future. Within weeks, they was back to their old ways. Hoisting brand new binaries as live and servers were left broken. So it doesn't matter how many times they did do a beta, it's all the times they didn't. If you want to put a smile on my face, get Alfred to commit to betas 100% of the time. That all future binaries will be released as beta first. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: 17 October 2007 12:11 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I don't know if you remember, but they have done beta releases many times in the past, usually done with a -beta[number] command added to the update tool's arguments. On 10/17/07, Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duke, I'm glad you're getting what you want. But at the end of the day, if Valve just hoisst the server binaries on us, without a beta, then it's thousands of people who can put out when it all goes tits up. I've been asking for anywhere between a year and 2 years now, for a simple system, where they release a binary as beta, then as live two weeks later. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke Sent: 17 October 2007 02:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mike Durand has been more than helpful with all of the files he's made available at different times based on many specific requests in the hlcoders list. Valve didn't have to release anything before the SDK is ready to release, but they did. On 10/16/07, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented any
RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
You subscribed to the list. You read an argument you don't have an answer for. You call it tiresome and ask for someone to be kicked off the list, with a personal insult, stating my argument is adolescent. Sorry. It is not. It's perfectly reasonable to ask Valve to do a little, in return for it's customers saving a lot of time. It's really simple. 30 minutes to an hour extra of Valves time, that would save thousands of operators a lot of time over the years. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of larry Sent: 17 October 2007 13:54 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements What's the chance of kicking this Barnett guy off the list? Seems we get idiots like him once a year and have to suffer through their adolescent view of things, it gets tiresome. -- Original Message -- From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:06:12 +0100 Most of the last updates Most. That means. Most of the last updates Valve released as beta for their own interests. Not yours or mine. When Valve thinks they can get away with it, when it doesn't bring down most servers or piss off the army of 13 year olds who'll flood their helpdesks, they'll just hoist it upon us with no beta. Don't believe me? You get Alfred to commit to betas 100% percent on all released binaries. You won't, because his firm isn't interested in investing any time on anything no matter how small, that just benefits the server admin guys. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: 17 October 2007 12:33 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements Uhh am I missing something? Most of the last updates have been pre-released early as 'beta' and can be updated via -beta on the command line! Usually a week before proper release.. Tom -- From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:26 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements When it suited them. When the project was so big they wanted the stats back. They did because they needed the communities help. When they no longer need our help, they'll be releasing the binaries with no betas. Remember the variable weapon prices in Counter-Strike source? Everyone told me to shut up and that Valve had introduced betas finally. I was even stupid enough to thank Valve, even though they had made no formal promises that everything would be released as beta in future. Within weeks, they was back to their old ways. Hoisting brand new binaries as live and servers were left broken. So it doesn't matter how many times they did do a beta, it's all the times they didn't. If you want to put a smile on my face, get Alfred to commit to betas 100% of the time. That all future binaries will be released as beta first. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: 17 October 2007 12:11 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I don't know if you remember, but they have done beta releases many times in the past, usually done with a -beta[number] command added to the update tool's arguments. On 10/17/07, Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duke, I'm glad you're getting what you want. But at the end of the day, if Valve just hoisst the server binaries on us, without a beta, then it's thousands of people who can put out when it all goes tits up. I've been asking for anywhere between a year and 2 years now, for a simple system, where they release a binary as beta, then as live two weeks later. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke Sent: 17 October 2007 02:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mike Durand has been more than helpful with all of the files he's made available at different times based on many specific requests in the hlcoders list. Valve didn't have to release anything before the SDK is ready to release, but they did. On 10/16/07, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented any beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own marketing reasons and to help themselves and not us. I guess that's why they released the SDK header files early for us so we could get to work on server mods right away, nah that wasn't supposed to help us at all. :rolleyes
RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
OK. This list is about helping people. Here's what you do. You run off and do what I did. You create an email account specificly for email lists. That way, your personal emails are completely separate from email lists. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eirik Nilssen Sent: 17 October 2007 14:49 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] All though I think its nice to see people committed to a cause out of a wish to make things a little easier for server hosts, I find it somewhat anoying to see my hotmail account filled with 50 new messages just during normal office hours. Important information and urgent issues might get lost in the jungle of Valve complaints - wich is unfortunate. I hope these matters can be handled offlist, or in Valves forums. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:13:40 -0700 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] really... 'shut the front door' already for the 602 time.. :p - Original Message From: larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:54:21 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements What's the chance of kicking this Barnett guy off the list? Seems we get idiots like him once a year and have to suffer through their adolescent view of things, it gets tiresome. -- Original Message -- From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:06:12 +0100 Most of the last updates Most. That means. Most of the last updates Valve released as beta for their own interests. Not yours or mine. When Valve thinks they can get away with it, when it doesn't bring down most servers or piss off the army of 13 year olds who'll flood their helpdesks, they'll just hoist it upon us with no beta. Don't believe me? You get Alfred to commit to betas 100% percent on all released binaries. You won't, because his firm isn't interested in investing any time on anything no matter how small, that just benefits the server admin guys. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: 17 October 2007 12:33 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements Uhh am I missing something? Most of the last updates have been pre-released early as 'beta' and can be updated via -beta on the command line! Usually a week before proper release.. Tom -- From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:26 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements When it suited them. When the project was so big they wanted the stats back. They did because they needed the communities help. When they no longer need our help, they'll be releasing the binaries with no betas. Remember the variable weapon prices in Counter-Strike source? Everyone told me to shut up and that Valve had introduced betas finally. I was even stupid enough to thank Valve, even though they had made no formal promises that everything would be released as beta in future. Within weeks, they was back to their old ways. Hoisting brand new binaries as live and servers were left broken. So it doesn't matter how many times they did do a beta, it's all the times they didn't. If you want to put a smile on my face, get Alfred to commit to betas 100% of the time. That all future binaries will be released as beta first. Chris.-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: 17 October 2007 12:11 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I don't know if you remember, but they have done beta releases many times in the past, usually done with a -beta[number] command added to the update tool's arguments. On 10/17/07, Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duke, I'm glad you're getting what you want. But at the end of the day, if Valve just hoisst the server binaries on us, without a beta, then it's thousands of people who can put out when it all goes tits up. I've been asking for anywhere between a year and 2 years now, for a simple system, where they release a binary as beta, then as live two weeks later. Chris.-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke Sent: 17 October 2007 02:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mike Durand has been more than helpful with all of the files he's made
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Or just add anyone participating in childish games to the direct to junk folder express. Chris Barnett wrote: OK. This list is about helping people. Here's what you do. You run off and do what I did. You create an email account specificly for email lists. That way, your personal emails are completely separate from email lists. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eirik Nilssen Sent: 17 October 2007 14:49 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] All though I think its nice to see people committed to a cause out of a wish to make things a little easier for server hosts, I find it somewhat anoying to see my hotmail account filled with 50 new messages just during normal office hours. Important information and urgent issues might get lost in the jungle of Valve complaints - wich is unfortunate. I hope these matters can be handled offlist, or in Valves forums. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:13:40 -0700 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] really... 'shut the front door' already for the 602 time.. :p - Original Message From: larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:54:21 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements What's the chance of kicking this Barnett guy off the list? Seems we get idiots like him once a year and have to suffer through their adolescent view of things, it gets tiresome. -- Original Message -- From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:06:12 +0100 Most of the last updates Most. That means. Most of the last updates Valve released as beta for their own interests. Not yours or mine. When Valve thinks they can get away with it, when it doesn't bring down most servers or piss off the army of 13 year olds who'll flood their helpdesks, they'll just hoist it upon us with no beta. Don't believe me? You get Alfred to commit to betas 100% percent on all released binaries. You won't, because his firm isn't interested in investing any time on anything no matter how small, that just benefits the server admin guys. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: 17 October 2007 12:33 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements Uhh am I missing something? Most of the last updates have been pre-released early as 'beta' and can be updated via -beta on the command line! Usually a week before proper release.. Tom -- From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:26 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements When it suited them. When the project was so big they wanted the stats back. They did because they needed the communities help. When they no longer need our help, they'll be releasing the binaries with no betas. Remember the variable weapon prices in Counter-Strike source? Everyone told me to shut up and that Valve had introduced betas finally. I was even stupid enough to thank Valve, even though they had made no formal promises that everything would be released as beta in future. Within weeks, they was back to their old ways. Hoisting brand new binaries as live and servers were left broken. So it doesn't matter how many times they did do a beta, it's all the times they didn't. If you want to put a smile on my face, get Alfred to commit to betas 100% of the time. That all future binaries will be released as beta first. Chris.-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: 17 October 2007 12:11 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I don't know if you remember, but they have done beta releases many times in the past, usually done with a -beta[number] command added to the update tool's arguments. On 10/17/07, Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duke, I'm glad you're getting what you want. But at the end of the day, if Valve just hoisst the server binaries on us, without a beta, then it's thousands of people who can put out when it all goes tits up. I've been asking for anywhere between a year and 2 years now, for a simple system, where they release a binary as beta, then as live two weeks later. Chris.-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke Sent: 17 October 2007 02:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why should we do that? Mailing list has been working perfectly fine for years until you turned up. So your saying we should all make new accounts just because you dont give a toss about what this mailing list is for or the people on it? Nice 1 forumboy! [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] OK. This list is about helping people. Here's what you do. You run off and do what I did. You create an email account specificly for email lists. That way, your personal emails are completely separate from email lists. Chris. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/private/hlds/2007-October/046430.html -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We subscribed to the list before you young man dont lecture the old hands on how it works : Your arguments are adolescent, your toys have come flying out of the pram so fast they have hit everyone on the head several times and are now starting to hurt! Yes that is unreasonible, did you pay for the hlds or srcds code? have you read the licence docs? Being this hard working experenced server operator who can fit in 50 posts worth of arguments im sure you have! The dedicated server software is free, you pay for the client, valve from the word go chose these specific settings that were locked. Some clever folk unlocked them, valve no likey this so they filter it out. Or do we need to get our crayons out? :) Valve do far more in return than any other company I know, your I dont give a toss about EA to someone else earlier on...well if you did then you would know most companies bundle out the dedicated files, half the time you have to upload your own game to finish the build and after 2 patches your on your own. Complete with exploits and hacks that easily crash servers... the reply is buy Elite Fighting Combat similiator 3 next year it will be fixed in that. So no I dont think valve owe us anything, if anything I and a lot of people are greatful for the time and effort people like alfred and jason do constantly listening to the actual problems not make believe problems your flooding us with! That of course is if you can ask for help nicely instead of demanding answers you might have got an answer after one post without all this unpleasnt stuff! Then again thats what using forums instead of mailing lists does to ya! :) -Original Message- You subscribed to the list. You read an argument you don't have an answer for. You call it tiresome and ask for someone to be kicked off the list, with a personal insult, stating my argument is adolescent. Sorry. It is not. It's perfectly reasonable to ask Valve to do a little, in return for it's customers saving a lot of time. It's really simple. 30 minutes to an hour extra of Valves time, that would save thousands of operators a lot of time over the years. Chris. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] *holds up hand* agreed! Quick before he gets his 5th keyboard! I second the motion -- From: larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:54 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements * What's the chance of kicking this Barnett guy off the list? Seems we get ** idiots like him once a year and have to suffer through their adolescent ** view of things, it gets tiresome.* ** -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Quit the personal stuff please. 1) While E.A and all the rest of them can release utter total shite, the server operator is not left with either having to upgrade to said shite or look at an empty server. Because of the way Steam works, 99.9% of the clients get said shite, within the hour. Within about 2-3 hours a server is empty. Empty server = useless piece of casing, contributing to global warming...That can be avoided with a 100% beta - Steam is then perfect in the eyes of a server operator. Because the server operator knows what knows what's going to hit him in 2 weeks time and he has 2 weeks to sort himself out. If he can't, then I'm sure a third party coder like Mani, Beetle or L.Duke would come to our rescue, like they normally do. 2) This isn't OMFG Valve are crap. This isn't OMFG Steam is crap - Steam is lovely. It really is. I love it. Both ends of it. I will now ONLY buy my games through Steam. So I am sorry to disappoint you. I'm not anti-Valve in the slightest. I just capable of using the brain on my head for independent thought and any number of issues. As for Demand. You are obviously taking things way too personally especially considering you have nothing to do with Valve. A lot of us Demanded a response from Valve on a totally separate issue...the delisting of servers over 24 slots. Buy hey, you've obviously read something else that I've posted that's offended you and in the red mist, you've gone for me on this subject, conflating it with something else Oh and as for help on this list. I asked Valve a long time ago NICELY for a full blown beta. This isn't a revelation that I had 3 days ago. I'm not being rude with Valve. It's a fact. They can't be bothered to run a beta 100% of the time. Now I think that one of your requests to Valve be unreasonable. I would argue the case as to why, without having to resort to nothing else but Valve do more than any other company as my argument. The fact of the matter is that a 100% beta, with a 2 week cycle would solve a hell of a lot of the problems that server operators get. That's a lot of hours saved, for an hour of Valves time on each go round. Oh and before anyone says You keep going on and on about it... Well, yeah, I do alright. But that's only because people are trying to counter-argue with real lame personal B.S., with a bit of You're anti-Valve smeared in. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Big Bad Sent: 18 October 2007 00:41 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Fwd: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We subscribed to the list before you young man dont lecture the old hands on how it works : Your arguments are adolescent, your toys have come flying out of the pram so fast they have hit everyone on the head several times and are now starting to hurt! Yes that is unreasonible, did you pay for the hlds or srcds code? have you read the licence docs? Being this hard working experenced server operator who can fit in 50 posts worth of arguments im sure you have! The dedicated server software is free, you pay for the client, valve from the word go chose these specific settings that were locked. Some clever folk unlocked them, valve no likey this so they filter it out. Or do we need to get our crayons out? :) Valve do far more in return than any other company I know, your I dont give a toss about EA to someone else earlier on...well if you did then you would know most companies bundle out the dedicated files, half the time you have to upload your own game to finish the build and after 2 patches your on your own. Complete with exploits and hacks that easily crash servers... the reply is buy Elite Fighting Combat similiator 3 next year it will be fixed in that. So no I dont think valve owe us anything, if anything I and a lot of people are greatful for the time and effort people like alfred and jason do constantly listening to the actual problems not make believe problems your flooding us with! That of course is if you can ask for help nicely instead of demanding answers you might have got an answer after one post without all this unpleasnt stuff! Then again thats what using forums instead of mailing lists does to ya! :) -Original Message- You subscribed to the list. You read an argument you don't have an answer for. You call it tiresome and ask for someone to be kicked off the list, with a personal insult, stating my argument is adolescent. Sorry. It is not. It's perfectly reasonable to ask Valve to do a little, in return for it's customers saving a lot of time. It's really simple. 30 minutes to an hour extra of Valves time, that would save thousands of operators a lot of time over the years. Chris. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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No that is not what I said. Please do not misrepresent my views. Forumboy? I wouldn't touch the Steam forums with your keyboard. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Big Bad Sent: 18 October 2007 00:38 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why should we do that? Mailing list has been working perfectly fine for years until you turned up. So your saying we should all make new accounts just because you dont give a toss about what this mailing list is for or the people on it? Nice 1 forumboy! [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] OK. This list is about helping people. Here's what you do. You run off and do what I did. You create an email account specificly for email lists. That way, your personal emails are completely separate from email lists. Chris. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/private/hlds/2007-October/046430.html -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I think many of you may be missing a pertinent point in the whole 32 player de-listing episode. Valve did not announce it. I recognize that they now have, but its been days since. Of course valve is well within its rights to do this, but to those defending valve's lack of posting to this list, I say give me a break. I work my ass off to keep my server in the top 50 (game-monitor.com). I wake up at 5 AM hoping my server is empty so I can give it a reboot. I pay $80/month hosting fees. I take great pains to research admin mods/stats that will enhance my players' experience. I maintain a website proving the players a home. I preordered a game to play in a beta. Now I don't run a 32 player server and have no intention of doing so. But if Valve delisted my server without telling me why, causing me to lose my players and ruining all my hard work, I would be be livid. I recognize I can stop playing/hosting if I don't like it, but I DO like it and Valve needs people like us to run their servers. Please Valve, don't keep us in the dark. We need to know these things ahead of time. We love to help, make it easy for us. Nolan -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Nolan Hurlburt wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I think many of you may be missing a pertinent point in the whole 32 player de-listing episode. Valve did not announce it. I recognize that they now have, but its been days since. Of course valve is well within its rights to do this, but to those defending valve's lack of posting to this list, I say give me a break. I work my ass off to keep my server in the top 50 (game-monitor.com). I wake up at 5 AM hoping my server is empty so I can give it a reboot. I pay $80/month hosting fees. I take great pains to research admin mods/stats that will enhance my players' experience. I maintain a website proving the players a home. I preordered a game to play in a beta. Now I don't run a 32 player server and have no intention of doing so. But if Valve delisted my server without telling me why, causing me to lose my players and ruining all my hard work, I would be be livid. I recognize I can stop playing/hosting if I don't like it, but I DO like it and Valve needs people like us to run their servers. Please Valve, don't keep us in the dark. We need to know these things ahead of time. We love to help, make it easy for us. Nolan -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Well said, we do what we do because we like it, and we do like valve as much as we criticize them. Just lately they've made a lot of people unhappy. Just would like a little more help for server admins from valve. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Valve has never cared about you and never will. Get used to it. I used to do all that and after fixing the plugins that Valve broke every week or so just to keep my server running I gave up. It is still running, but I just don't care. They have beaten all the care out of me. One day Valve will realize that mods and plugins are the only thing that keeps the game interesting for the majority of people after a couple of months. But on the other hand maybe they want you to get bored so you will go buy another game next month. -YMAC On 10/16/07 12:41 PM, Nolan Hurlburt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I think many of you may be missing a pertinent point in the whole 32 player de-listing episode. Valve did not announce it. I recognize that they now have, but its been days since. Of course valve is well within its rights to do this, but to those defending valve's lack of posting to this list, I say give me a break. I work my ass off to keep my server in the top 50 (game-monitor.com). I wake up at 5 AM hoping my server is empty so I can give it a reboot. I pay $80/month hosting fees. I take great pains to research admin mods/stats that will enhance my players' experience. I maintain a website proving the players a home. I preordered a game to play in a beta. Now I don't run a 32 player server and have no intention of doing so. But if Valve delisted my server without telling me why, causing me to lose my players and ruining all my hard work, I would be be livid. I recognize I can stop playing/hosting if I don't like it, but I DO like it and Valve needs people like us to run their servers. Please Valve, don't keep us in the dark. We need to know these things ahead of time. We love to help, make it easy for us. Nolan -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Sorry, but i gotta say my piece here. I got 2 servers - 1 UK and 1 USA For a start - do you really think the lifespan of this game is just 2 months before it gets boring? Are you serously say that? Cause if you are - you must have the brain of a child - nah, thats too kind. The brain of a fish. You know what I've decided? I've decided to think this through logically. And no i'm not a valve fanboy - im normal. TF2 has only been released since the 12th of september. To date that is exactly 5 weeks. Up till the 10th of October it was offically beta. In which time they must have got thousands of bug reports. My guess is that in their offices they dont have every single variation of PC that is out there. That they probably developed this game on a very limited selection of PC's and Servers with varying hardware and software. So, they release beta TF2 - get the feedback and address the most important and specific problems. Release updates, the clients install updates - and problems go away each time this cycle happens. The game uses the latest source engine, and combined with the game beta tag - its obvious that there are gonna be issues. Then you get scripters and 3rd party devs creating mods while its still in beta Then they moan when x,y,z happens to break their mod and they barrage this list with zillions of emails ranting and raving about how valve dont care - OMG.. Please get some perspective here. I'm ditching my servers until valve are happy with their creation - and we're not getting server updates every other day. When their happy and the code works as best as its gonna do on ALL types of PC platform - then start making your mods I agree valve should have addressed this sooner - but i suspect the reason they didnt is because as steam news pointed out they went away to have a break from what they completed. So simply put - im waiting until the code is stable and modders could wait until the code is stable before creating their masterpieces to aviod this scenario. On 10/16/07, Yo Mama's A Chump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valve has never cared about you and never will. Get used to it. I used to do all that and after fixing the plugins that Valve broke every week or so just to keep my server running I gave up. It is still running, but I just don't care. They have beaten all the care out of me. One day Valve will realize that mods and plugins are the only thing that keeps the game interesting for the majority of people after a couple of months. But on the other hand maybe they want you to get bored so you will go buy another game next month. -YMAC -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Good post! Although: Then you get scripters and 3rd party devs creating mods while its still in beta Then they moan when x,y,z happens to break their mod and they barrage this list with zillions of emails ranting and raving about how valve dont care - OMG.. Please get some perspective here. Nah they're over in the HLCoders list asking sensible technical questions and getting good support from Valve.. and not ranting... I wonder the real reason Valve hardly ever reply here In other news you may be interested in: Mani is back and MAY be working on Mani again so we may have an OB Mani sometime in the future.. which might be handy :) http://www.mani-admin-plugin.com discuss?...?...? Tom -- From: Patrick Shelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:15 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Sorry, but i gotta say my piece here. I got 2 servers - 1 UK and 1 USA For a start - do you really think the lifespan of this game is just 2 months before it gets boring? Are you serously say that? Cause if you are - you must have the brain of a child - nah, thats too kind. The brain of a fish. You know what I've decided? I've decided to think this through logically. And no i'm not a valve fanboy - im normal. TF2 has only been released since the 12th of september. To date that is exactly 5 weeks. Up till the 10th of October it was offically beta. In which time they must have got thousands of bug reports. My guess is that in their offices they dont have every single variation of PC that is out there. That they probably developed this game on a very limited selection of PC's and Servers with varying hardware and software. So, they release beta TF2 - get the feedback and address the most important and specific problems. Release updates, the clients install updates - and problems go away each time this cycle happens. The game uses the latest source engine, and combined with the game beta tag - its obvious that there are gonna be issues. Then you get scripters and 3rd party devs creating mods while its still in beta Then they moan when x,y,z happens to break their mod and they barrage this list with zillions of emails ranting and raving about how valve dont care - OMG.. Please get some perspective here. I'm ditching my servers until valve are happy with their creation - and we're not getting server updates every other day. When their happy and the code works as best as its gonna do on ALL types of PC platform - then start making your mods I agree valve should have addressed this sooner - but i suspect the reason they didnt is because as steam news pointed out they went away to have a break from what they completed. So simply put - im waiting until the code is stable and modders could wait until the code is stable before creating their masterpieces to aviod this scenario. On 10/16/07, Yo Mama's A Chump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valve has never cared about you and never will. Get used to it. I used to do all that and after fixing the plugins that Valve broke every week or so just to keep my server running I gave up. It is still running, but I just don't care. They have beaten all the care out of me. One day Valve will realize that mods and plugins are the only thing that keeps the game interesting for the majority of people after a couple of months. But on the other hand maybe they want you to get bored so you will go buy another game next month. -YMAC -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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As a 3rd party dev, making some serious 3rd party modifications to TF2. I have yet to have anything bad happen. My server, with my modifications, has yet to crash. Even with some nasty hacks that are totally experimental, it's still rock solid. I am impressed, and shocked. And lag? What lag? There's lag in TF2? 3x Servers 2x 24 1x 32 Server CPU: 10%-20% BW Usage when full: 4.5mbps Awesome work valve. Now quit being lame about the 32 player server bs. - voogru. -Original Message- From: Patrick Shelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:16 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Sorry, but i gotta say my piece here. I got 2 servers - 1 UK and 1 USA For a start - do you really think the lifespan of this game is just 2 months before it gets boring? Are you serously say that? Cause if you are - you must have the brain of a child - nah, thats too kind. The brain of a fish. You know what I've decided? I've decided to think this through logically. And no i'm not a valve fanboy - im normal. TF2 has only been released since the 12th of september. To date that is exactly 5 weeks. Up till the 10th of October it was offically beta. In which time they must have got thousands of bug reports. My guess is that in their offices they dont have every single variation of PC that is out there. That they probably developed this game on a very limited selection of PC's and Servers with varying hardware and software. So, they release beta TF2 - get the feedback and address the most important and specific problems. Release updates, the clients install updates - and problems go away each time this cycle happens. The game uses the latest source engine, and combined with the game beta tag - its obvious that there are gonna be issues. Then you get scripters and 3rd party devs creating mods while its still in beta Then they moan when x,y,z happens to break their mod and they barrage this list with zillions of emails ranting and raving about how valve dont care - OMG.. Please get some perspective here. I'm ditching my servers until valve are happy with their creation - and we're not getting server updates every other day. When their happy and the code works as best as its gonna do on ALL types of PC platform - then start making your mods I agree valve should have addressed this sooner - but i suspect the reason they didnt is because as steam news pointed out they went away to have a break from what they completed. So simply put - im waiting until the code is stable and modders could wait until the code is stable before creating their masterpieces to aviod this scenario. On 10/16/07, Yo Mama's A Chump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valve has never cared about you and never will. Get used to it. I used to do all that and after fixing the plugins that Valve broke every week or so just to keep my server running I gave up. It is still running, but I just don't care. They have beaten all the care out of me. One day Valve will realize that mods and plugins are the only thing that keeps the game interesting for the majority of people after a couple of months. But on the other hand maybe they want you to get bored so you will go buy another game next month. -YMAC -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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On 10/16/07 7:15 PM, Patrick Shelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Sorry, but i gotta say my piece here. I got 2 servers - 1 UK and 1 USA Whoop de do. I got cookie 4 you. For a start - do you really think the lifespan of this game is just 2 months before it gets boring? Yes. Are you serously say that? Cause if you are - you must have the brain of a child - nah, thats too kind. The brain of a fish. I are seriously say that. You have the ass of a cow. You know what I've decided? I've decided to think this through logically. And no i'm not a valve fanboy - im normal. BlaBlaBla... What I said has nothing to do with TF2. I have been around Valve for a long long time. I was playing CS when it was a beta mod for HL. And for years Valve has not communicated or cooperated with the community. How long did it take them to start a beta program after everyone started screaming for one? Wipe that brown off your lips. -YMAC On 10/16/07, Yo Mama's A Chump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valve has never cared about you and never will. Get used to it. I used to do all that and after fixing the plugins that Valve broke every week or so just to keep my server running I gave up. It is still running, but I just don't care. They have beaten all the care out of me. One day Valve will realize that mods and plugins are the only thing that keeps the game interesting for the majority of people after a couple of months. But on the other hand maybe they want you to get bored so you will go buy another game next month. -YMAC -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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It's cracking post. Shame about 99% of it isn't relevant to the issues that we've been discussing for the last 3 days. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: 17 October 2007 00:25 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements Good post! Although: Then you get scripters and 3rd party devs creating mods while its still in beta Then they moan when x,y,z happens to break their mod and they barrage this list with zillions of emails ranting and raving about how valve dont care - OMG.. Please get some perspective here. Nah they're over in the HLCoders list asking sensible technical questions and getting good support from Valve.. and not ranting... I wonder the real reason Valve hardly ever reply here In other news you may be interested in: Mani is back and MAY be working on Mani again so we may have an OB Mani sometime in the future.. which might be handy :) http://www.mani-admin-plugin.com discuss?...?...? Tom -- From: Patrick Shelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:15 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Sorry, but i gotta say my piece here. I got 2 servers - 1 UK and 1 USA For a start - do you really think the lifespan of this game is just 2 months before it gets boring? Are you serously say that? Cause if you are - you must have the brain of a child - nah, thats too kind. The brain of a fish. You know what I've decided? I've decided to think this through logically. And no i'm not a valve fanboy - im normal. TF2 has only been released since the 12th of september. To date that is exactly 5 weeks. Up till the 10th of October it was offically beta. In which time they must have got thousands of bug reports. My guess is that in their offices they dont have every single variation of PC that is out there. That they probably developed this game on a very limited selection of PC's and Servers with varying hardware and software. So, they release beta TF2 - get the feedback and address the most important and specific problems. Release updates, the clients install updates - and problems go away each time this cycle happens. The game uses the latest source engine, and combined with the game beta tag - its obvious that there are gonna be issues. Then you get scripters and 3rd party devs creating mods while its still in beta Then they moan when x,y,z happens to break their mod and they barrage this list with zillions of emails ranting and raving about how valve dont care - OMG.. Please get some perspective here. I'm ditching my servers until valve are happy with their creation - and we're not getting server updates every other day. When their happy and the code works as best as its gonna do on ALL types of PC platform - then start making your mods I agree valve should have addressed this sooner - but i suspect the reason they didnt is because as steam news pointed out they went away to have a break from what they completed. So simply put - im waiting until the code is stable and modders could wait until the code is stable before creating their masterpieces to aviod this scenario. On 10/16/07, Yo Mama's A Chump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valve has never cared about you and never will. Get used to it. I used to do all that and after fixing the plugins that Valve broke every week or so just to keep my server running I gave up. It is still running, but I just don't care. They have beaten all the care out of me. One day Valve will realize that mods and plugins are the only thing that keeps the game interesting for the majority of people after a couple of months. But on the other hand maybe they want you to get bored so you will go buy another game next month. -YMAC -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented any beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own marketing reasons and to help themselves and not us. When they release separate betas for EVERY update, then I'll be happy. Because then it's being done for the community and not just Valves interests. Also, I'm not happy with Alfreds response with the 32 slot business. I believe the PC version of TF2 is being held back just to stop the console version from looking so bad Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yo Mama's A Chump Sent: 17 October 2007 00:56 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements On 10/16/07 7:15 PM, Patrick Shelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Sorry, but i gotta say my piece here. I got 2 servers - 1 UK and 1 USA Whoop de do. I got cookie 4 you. For a start - do you really think the lifespan of this game is just 2 months before it gets boring? Yes. Are you serously say that? Cause if you are - you must have the brain of a child - nah, thats too kind. The brain of a fish. I are seriously say that. You have the ass of a cow. You know what I've decided? I've decided to think this through logically. And no i'm not a valve fanboy - im normal. BlaBlaBla... What I said has nothing to do with TF2. I have been around Valve for a long long time. I was playing CS when it was a beta mod for HL. And for years Valve has not communicated or cooperated with the community. How long did it take them to start a beta program after everyone started screaming for one? Wipe that brown off your lips. -YMAC On 10/16/07, Yo Mama's A Chump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valve has never cared about you and never will. Get used to it. I used to do all that and after fixing the plugins that Valve broke every week or so just to keep my server running I gave up. It is still running, but I just don't care. They have beaten all the care out of me. One day Valve will realize that mods and plugins are the only thing that keeps the game interesting for the majority of people after a couple of months. But on the other hand maybe they want you to get bored so you will go buy another game next month. -YMAC -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
And what about 64-bit support, big promises have been made but they didn't deliver. But I have to say that the amount of bug fixes released for Team Fortress 2 shows to me that they made a serious effort to listen to the community. I'm quite satisfied with the way Steam provides us with game server content and updates. - Hans ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented any beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own marketing reasons and to help themselves and not us. I guess that's why they released the SDK header files early for us so we could get to work on server mods right away, nah that wasn't supposed to help us at all. :rolleyes: Also, I'm not happy with Alfreds response with the 32 slot business. I believe the PC version of TF2 is being held back just to stop the console version from looking so bad Interesting theory. Consoles have one strong advantage over PC's. They are easy, you buy a game for a console, chances are you can run it and it will be playable. You don't need to worry about a lot of the little BS things, you can just play. PC, not so much. It requires someone with more of a clue. I have customers that want to buy a gaming computer and they have little 6-7 year old kids. I always tell them to get a console instead. It's cheaper and easier for people not so technically inclined. I'm assuming the player limit on the XBOX 360 is simply because all of the servers are ran as listen servers, not dedicated servers in a data center somewhere. If they had a dedicated server for XBOX players it would solve that problem and they could then take off the player limits on the XBOX. - voogru. -Original Message- From: Chris Barnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:23 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented any beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own marketing reasons and to help themselves and not us. When they release separate betas for EVERY update, then I'll be happy. Because then it's being done for the community and not just Valves interests. Also, I'm not happy with Alfreds response with the 32 slot business. I believe the PC version of TF2 is being held back just to stop the console version from looking so bad Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yo Mama's A Chump Sent: 17 October 2007 00:56 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements On 10/16/07 7:15 PM, Patrick Shelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Sorry, but i gotta say my piece here. I got 2 servers - 1 UK and 1 USA Whoop de do. I got cookie 4 you. For a start - do you really think the lifespan of this game is just 2 months before it gets boring? Yes. Are you serously say that? Cause if you are - you must have the brain of a child - nah, thats too kind. The brain of a fish. I are seriously say that. You have the ass of a cow. You know what I've decided? I've decided to think this through logically. And no i'm not a valve fanboy - im normal. BlaBlaBla... What I said has nothing to do with TF2. I have been around Valve for a long long time. I was playing CS when it was a beta mod for HL. And for years Valve has not communicated or cooperated with the community. How long did it take them to start a beta program after everyone started screaming for one? Wipe that brown off your lips. -YMAC On 10/16/07, Yo Mama's A Chump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valve has never cared about you and never will. Get used to it. I used to do all that and after fixing the plugins that Valve broke every week or so just to keep my server running I gave up. It is still running, but I just don't care. They have beaten all the care out of me. One day Valve will realize that mods and plugins are the only thing that keeps the game interesting for the majority of people after a couple of months. But on the other hand maybe they want you to get bored so you will go buy another game next month. -YMAC -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mike Durand has been more than helpful with all of the files he's made available at different times based on many specific requests in the hlcoders list. Valve didn't have to release anything before the SDK is ready to release, but they did. On 10/16/07, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented any beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own marketing reasons and to help themselves and not us. I guess that's why they released the SDK header files early for us so we could get to work on server mods right away, nah that wasn't supposed to help us at all. :rolleyes: -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
