RE: [Hornlist] Alex lubricant
Rotten birds from Bird Flu & rotten fish from over polluted Rhine river & from North Sea, perhaps, who knows it these days. As with girlfriends (other mothers have beautiful daughters also !). Other factories make good lubricants too ! === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 4:09 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Alex lubricant I recently purchased an Alex 103 and a set of lubricants came enclosed. The slide lubricant is quite effecitve and when I run out I would like to replenish with the same substance. But I have noticed that it smells curiously like cod liver oil. Does anyone happen to know what the Alex factory actually uses? Nelson Lawson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Bill McHenry/Raleigh/IBM is out of the office on vacation returning Thursday, Feb 23
I will be out of the office starting 02/17/2006 and will not return until 02/23/2006. I am out of the office on vacation until Thursday, Feb 23. For management support in my absence, please contact Joe Carrasco (650) 281-8294 (california) . For admin support please call Incosmea Thomas (704) 595-4653. I will respond to your message when I return.___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Alex lubricant
In a message dated 2/17/2006 10:10:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone happen to know what the Alex factory actually uses? -- Nelson, If it's a new Alex, then they almost certainly delivered it with Hetman lubricants. Alexander uses Josef Meinlschmitt valves, and J.M. uses Hetman. Same is true of Rauch, Ricco Kuehn, and others who use Meinlschmitt to make their "machines". Dave Weiner Maryland Band & Orchestra Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Alex lubricant
I recently purchased an Alex 103 and a set of lubricants came enclosed. The slide lubricant is quite effecitve and when I run out I would like to replenish with the same substance. But I have noticed that it smells curiously like cod liver oil. Does anyone happen to know what the Alex factory actually uses? Nelson Lawson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Playing in Tune
If you want to develop a very tight section, get together to play ensembles. Warm-up with Bach Chorales and play anything else you can get your hands on. Spend time playing chords and listening for good intonation. Learn how to tune chords (lowering the third, raising the fifth, etc.), but most of all listen! If it sounds good, it usually is good. After all, scientists did not invent good intonation, God did. And, he gave us the ears to recognized good intonation if we just open our ears. Good intonation in a section is always give and take. No individual is right unless the entire section sounds good. The only thing you need a tuner for is to make certain that the root of the chord is at standard pitch. From there on, all the other members of the chord must be adjusted for just intonation. Good luck and have fun! CORdially, Luke Zyla 2nd horn, WV Symphony Orchestra - Original Message - From: "Sharon Curtis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Playing in Tune Anyone got any tips for learning to play better in tune as a horn section (in an orchestra)? I think most of the tuning errors are coming from one of the players, but not all, and I couldn't swear that I'm always playing 100% in tune - and maybe I'm being drawn off pitch by the others?! The point is that we are aware as a section that we're not best in tune, and we're all individually trying to be in tune, but it's still not working. We're also a friendly bunch, and saying "Xxx, you're flat" every five minutes isn't going to do much for morale. I'd like us to get in tune AND remain friends with each other. There's no head of the section, we're of fairly similar ability and we rotate the parts round from piece to piece. The conductor helps sometimes, but most of the time he's too polite and won't say "Xxx, you're flat/sharp" either. Does anyone have any tips for how we can collectively improve our tuning? Exercises to try as a section? Cunning uses of gadgets? Ways to convey pitch errors without getting people's backs up? Sharon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40charter.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Playing in Tune
First, get your horns tuned & (most important) the valve slides adjusted accordingly. Then get tuned to the days principal horn. He or she is in command for the session. Next comes next session. But now he or she is in command. If all is tuned - not to the same note, but in chords, listen what´s going around & instead adjusting the hard ware (horn) permanently, adjust the soft ware (playing) by use of the right hand (carefully<) or the lips (more carefully). Do not lip up or lip down the notes. If the horns are tuned all right, there is NO - I say NO - necessity to lip them down or up a great deal, do it super carefully - ands LISTEN, LISTEN & LISTEN again. Next time you will be the BOSS & doing the game. But be aware, the after next session the 4rth player might be in the CHAIR. So do things delicately & most careful using your EARS ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharon Curtis Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:38 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Playing in Tune Anyone got any tips for learning to play better in tune as a horn section (in an orchestra)? I think most of the tuning errors are coming from one of the players, but not all, and I couldn't swear that I'm always playing 100% in tune - and maybe I'm being drawn off pitch by the others?! The point is that we are aware as a section that we're not best in tune, and we're all individually trying to be in tune, but it's still not working. We're also a friendly bunch, and saying "Xxx, you're flat" every five minutes isn't going to do much for morale. I'd like us to get in tune AND remain friends with each other. There's no head of the section, we're of fairly similar ability and we rotate the parts round from piece to piece. The conductor helps sometimes, but most of the time he's too polite and won't say "Xxx, you're flat/sharp" either. Does anyone have any tips for how we can collectively improve our tuning? Exercises to try as a section? Cunning uses of gadgets? Ways to convey pitch errors without getting people's backs up? Sharon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Playing in Tune
Anyone got any tips for learning to play better in tune as a horn section (in an orchestra)? I think most of the tuning errors are coming from one of the players, but not all, and I couldn't swear that I'm always playing 100% in tune - and maybe I'm being drawn off pitch by the others?! The point is that we are aware as a section that we're not best in tune, and we're all individually trying to be in tune, but it's still not working. We're also a friendly bunch, and saying "Xxx, you're flat" every five minutes isn't going to do much for morale. I'd like us to get in tune AND remain friends with each other. There's no head of the section, we're of fairly similar ability and we rotate the parts round from piece to piece. The conductor helps sometimes, but most of the time he's too polite and won't say "Xxx, you're flat/sharp" either. Does anyone have any tips for how we can collectively improve our tuning? Exercises to try as a section? Cunning uses of gadgets? Ways to convey pitch errors without getting people's backs up? Sharon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Richard Strauss horn etudes
This has exploration all been very interesting and I have to say that I am not that surprised that the heirs of Herr Strauss may be reluctant to have his extreme juvenilia released, though I do feel that it is an overly protective stance. I would like to apologize for speaking off the top of my head in my posting and adding 4 years to his age at the time of the composition. For no good reason, I got his dates (1864-1949) mixed with Mahler's (1860-1911) in my head. I happen to have a lot of stuff floating around my cranium, like composer's dates, but they are getting blurrier and scrambled as I muddle through my 6th decade. Next time I'll check my facts. Somehow, I do feel that there is a difference in how interested one would be in a piece written be an adolescent rather than by a child. Of course, there is always Mozart. Peter Hirsch ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] 6-Horn Scoring Ranges?
what orchestra does Jim Rome play in? Larry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] 6-Horn Scoring Ranges?
LT, From the way your post reads, it sounds like you are urrr, listening to WAY too much Jim Rome...You don't get racked on this one... Maybe you should take your diatribe over to the Yahoo list. Bear asked a legitimate question, he's been a long time member of this list. I am personally glad he's able to get his sugar under control. Until 7 years ago when I lost over 200 pounds I suffered with Diabetes. To me, what his physicians are doing to extend his life and thus his career is interesting to read. If you, on the other hand aren't interested, use your delete button and don't flame Bear. From a long time lister who is not ashamed to sign his name, not use initials. Walt Lewis At 04:00 AM 2/17/2006, you wrote: wow, real composer or a pharmaceutical rep? you be the judge. In the real world getting your diabetic blackouts taken care of, is much more important than what notes horn 5 and 6 play. Why not study the score to Mahler 1? Then if you write something someone has a problem with, you can just blame it on Gustav? Good luck with the compos...ur blood sugar. LT ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wlewis9637%40wowway.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/263 - Release Date: 2/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/263 - Release Date: 2/16/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Strauss Horn etudes
Peter Hirsch wrote: >I have no idea what the archives' response would be but why >not give it a try? I am afraid that I have to confirm Hans Pizka's report. Like Hans (and probably many others as well) long ago we tried to convince the Strauss heirs to permit the publication of those etudes, to no avail. David B. Thompson, President Thompson Edition, Inc. http://www.thompsonedition.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Strauss Horn etudes
Barry Tuckwell recorded the Strauss concertos for EMI in1990,and I quote here from his notes in the CD booklet " He dedicated all his early horn compositions to his beloved papa.(seinem lieben Vater).The first of them were two Etudes written in 1873, when he was nine.They clearly show the latent heroic style which was to manifest itself in his First Horn Concerto.I had hoped to include them in this collection,but permission to do so was refused by the Richard Strauss Estate,so they continue to lie neglected in Garmisch " www.richard-strauss-institut.de (for all contact information) Greetings from Bavaria Adrian ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Strauss Horn etudes
I must say that is a much more thoughtful, and gracious answer that some previously given. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:00 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Strauss Horn etudes "LT" (it would be nice to know who I'm addressing, but that is another issue, entirely), I think that you may have misread my posting(s) about Strauss' Etudes. It is not that they are unknown to me and others, they just don't seem to have gone beyond the pencil copies residing in the Richard Strauss Archives. It is possible that I am wrong on this, but I would imagine that there is no reason you couldn't be the one to bring them into print, assuming that it is worth your trouble. The citations of the first few measures that appear in the thematic catalog that Trenner has put together make two things clear to me. One is that they were written when he was approximately 13 years old and therefore way before he wrote anything that resembles "Strauss" as most horn players know him. The other is that both of them launch into the register above (concert) F (our "high" C) immediately. If this is your cup of tea, then I suggest contacting the RSA and inquiring about the possibility of studying the MS and copying it for your own use or publication. I have no idea what the archives' response would be but why not give it a try? I'd be curious to know what happens. Feel free to contact me offlist if any of this needs clarification or if you want more info. Regards, Peter Hirsch http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need help writing an advert!
Thankyou! From: Carlberg Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Horn List To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Need help writing an advert! Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:59:02 -0600 At 2:48 PM + 2/17/06, Christine Ranson wrote: >Hello, I have a Conn 11D that I need to sell, and I'm having trouble >"bigging it up" so to speak. >Anybody know anything GOOD about it, & any tips for advertising? Or should >I just be dishonest & blag it to someone who doesn't really have a clue? >(I dissaprove of the latter! It's unfair & it happened to me, which is why >I have it in the first place!) You could use what Conn says about it. Features: Symphony?in F/Bb (reversible)?.468" (11.89mm) bore?12" (305mm) medium throat yellow brass bell?tapered rotors and bearings?lacquer finish?7BW mouthpiece?deluxe hardshell case. For those preferring a Geyer-style horn (change valve following the main valve cluster)?the 11D produces a rich?>but brilliant sound?slightly more open than the 10D. Full warranty. From Conn's website. Equally suited to orchestra, chamber, and solo performance! Flawless craftsmanship and inimitable tone with the following features: key of F/Bb (reversible), Geyer-style, .468" bore, 12" medium-throat yellow brass bell, tapered rotors and bearings, and clear lacquer finish. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Band/and/Orchestra/Brass?sku=463352 The Symphony Alternative Complementing the CONNstellation horns are the C.G. Conn Symphony double horns. These instruments are designed in the Geyer style, with the change valve placed after the main valve cluster. These horns are particularly useful in smaller ensembles and chamber groups, and include the model 10D with a small throat and the 11D with a medium throat. Both horns are made in yellow brass, but are also available with rose brass bells. These horns feature a reversible change valve to accommodate players who are moving from a single Bb horn. J.D. Shaw of the famous Boston Brass quartet said, " . . . accuracy, response, projection, flexibility, and a big sound . . . the Conn 11D has it all." http://www.musiciansfriend.com/document?doc_id=98947&g=bo Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pristine_%40hotmail.com _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Strauss Horn etudes
"LT" (it would be nice to know who I'm addressing, but that is another issue, entirely), I think that you may have misread my posting(s) about Strauss' Etudes. It is not that they are unknown to me and others, they just don't seem to have gone beyond the pencil copies residing in the Richard Strauss Archives. It is possible that I am wrong on this, but I would imagine that there is no reason you couldn't be the one to bring them into print, assuming that it is worth your trouble. The citations of the first few measures that appear in the thematic catalog that Trenner has put together make two things clear to me. One is that they were written when he was approximately 13 years old and therefore way before he wrote anything that resembles "Strauss" as most horn players know him. The other is that both of them launch into the register above (concert) F (our "high" C) immediately. If this is your cup of tea, then I suggest contacting the RSA and inquiring about the possibility of studying the MS and copying it for your own use or publication. I have no idea what the archives' response would be but why not give it a try? I'd be curious to know what happens. Feel free to contact me offlist if any of this needs clarification or if you want more info. Regards, Peter Hirsch http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Assistantship Stipend Increase at Illinois State University
Dear Colleagues, I am writing to inform you and your students that the previously advertised Stipends for Graduate Assistants at Illinois State University have recently increased to $6,300. per year per. Graduate Assistantships also include a Graduate Tuition Waiver worth $10,650. per year for non-residents, making the renewable award worth up to $16,950. per year for non-residents. To learn more about recent studio activities and see studio photos, please refer to p.26 of the February 2006 The Horn Call. Please post and/or share this announcement with those who may be interested. For more information, please reply directly to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Complete contact info is at the end of this email. many thanks, Joe Neisler Associate Professor of Horn School of Music Illinois State University Graduate Assistantships & Tuition Waivers for Hornists at Illinois State The Illinois State University School of Music anticipates a Horn Studio Graduate Assistantship Vacancy and Graduate Tuition Waivers for hornists for 2007-2008. The Horn Studio Studio Graduate Assistantship is currently filled until Fall 2007, but Non-Studio Assistantships and Graduate Tuition Waivers for hornists are currently available. Hornists with secondary skills (audio technology, music technology, administrative or classroom experience, etc.) may be awarded non-studio GA positions for 2006-07 and be considered for the Horn Studio position for 2007-08. Assistantship Stipend is $6,300. per year plus a full Tuition Waiver worth $5,100. per year for Illinois residents and $10,650. per year for non-residents. The assistantship is a renewable award worth up to $16,950. per year for non-residents. In addition to performing in a graduate brass or woodwind quintet and large ensemble, other duties may include instruction of studio overload/instruction of studio during faculty tours, assisting with Horn Choir and Master Class, coaching student chamber ensembles, studio teaching, classroom teaching, music technology or audio recording, depending on the candidate's interests and experience and departmental needs. Additional performance opportunities may be available in several regional orchestras. Fall Horn Studio enrollment was 20 horn students, but we're looking for talented students to replace this year's graduating class. Please see the attached studio photo and guest artist poster to let you see what we are up to. Hermann Baumann, Barry Tuckwell, Gail Williams, Froydis Wekre, Eric Ruske, Martin Hackleman, Daniel Bourgue, hornists with the U.S. Marine, Army Field, and Navy Bands and hornists from the Philadelphia Orchestra, Paris Opera, and the St. Louis, Houston, Baltimore and National Symphonies have presented Recitals, Concerts and Master Classes at ISU. Since 1997 all graduate students have won positions in military bands, doctoral fellowships and teaching positions. Illinois State University is located in Bloomington-Normal, a musically active and culturally rich city of more than 100,000. Illinois State University offers the Master of Music in Performance, Conducting, Composition, Music Therapy and the Master of Music Education. To share a bit of my training with you, I have a Bachelor and Masters Degree in Performance and a Doctor of Music from Indiana University. I have studied with Philip Farkas, Myron Bloom and Frank Brouk. I am Principal Horn in Opera Illinois and the Prairie Ensemble, former Principal, Peoria Symphony and I perform with the Sonneries Quintet at Illinois State. I am also a Jurist for the International Horn Competition of America, Horn Clinician for Bands of America, adjudicator for the BOA National Honor Band/Orchestra Festival, Horn adjudicator for several IMEA district auditions and an Artist/Clinician for Conn/Selmer. For more information concerning my training and experience, please visit: http://www.cfa.ilstu.edu/faculty_staff/biographydetail.asp?u=jneisle The application deadline is March 1. For more information, contact Dr. Joe Neisler, Associate Professor of Horn, at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the School of Music web site at http://www.cfa.ilstu.edu/music/ You can see the Illinois State Wind Symphony's Dec. 15. Concert with Karel Husa at The Midwest Band/Orchestra Clinic "streaming" at http://www.midwestclinic.org/band_archive.asp#illinois thank you, -- Dr. Joe W. Neisler Associate Professor of Horn School of Music Campus Box 5660 Illinois State University Normal IL 61790-5660 Phone: 309-438-5063 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Solo Horn, Opera Illinois and The Prairie Ensemble Illinois State University Faculty Brass Quintet and Sonneries Quintet Conn-Selmer Educational Artist Bands of America Horn Clinician Jurist, International Horn Competition of America http://www.cfa.ilstu.edu/faculty_staff/biographydetail.asp?u=jnei
Re: [Hornlist] Need help writing an advert!
At 2:48 PM + 2/17/06, Christine Ranson wrote: >Hello, I have a Conn 11D that I need to sell, and I'm having trouble >"bigging it up" so to speak. >Anybody know anything GOOD about it, & any tips for advertising? Or should >I just be dishonest & blag it to someone who doesn't really have a clue? >(I dissaprove of the latter! It's unfair & it happened to me, which is why >I have it in the first place!) You could use what Conn says about it. Features: Symphony in F/Bb (reversible) .468" (11.89mm) bore 12" (305mm) medium throat yellow brass bell tapered rotors and bearings lacquer finish 7BW mouthpiece deluxe hardshell case. For those preferring a Geyer-style horn (change valve following the main valve cluster) the 11D produces a rich but brilliant sound slightly more open than the 10D. Full warranty. From Conn's website. Equally suited to orchestra, chamber, and solo performance! Flawless craftsmanship and inimitable tone with the following features: key of F/Bb (reversible), Geyer-style, .468" bore, 12" medium-throat yellow brass bell, tapered rotors and bearings, and clear lacquer finish. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Band/and/Orchestra/Brass?sku=463352 The Symphony Alternative Complementing the CONNstellation horns are the C.G. Conn Symphony double horns. These instruments are designed in the Geyer style, with the change valve placed after the main valve cluster. These horns are particularly useful in smaller ensembles and chamber groups, and include the model 10D with a small throat and the 11D with a medium throat. Both horns are made in yellow brass, but are also available with rose brass bells. These horns feature a reversible change valve to accommodate players who are moving from a single Bb horn. J.D. Shaw of the famous Boston Brass quartet said, " . . . accuracy, response, projection, flexibility, and a big sound . . . the Conn 11D has it all." http://www.musiciansfriend.com/document?doc_id=98947&g=bo Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Need help writing an advert!
Hello, I have a Conn 11D that I need to sell, and I'm having trouble "bigging it up" so to speak. Anybody know anything GOOD about it, & any tips for advertising? Or should I just be dishonest & blag it to someone who doesn't really have a clue? (I dissaprove of the latter! It's unfair & it happened to me, which is why I have it in the first place!) _ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Strauss Horn etudes
I have been using some Franz Strauss Etudes for my recent technical exam..if that's any help? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Horn List To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Strauss Horn etudes Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:33:17 -0500 As I promised yesterday, I did check the Trenner thematic index for Strauss' works and the etudes do not appear to have aver been published. There is a pencil copy (or original - my grasp of German understands the "bleistift" part of the description but not what follows. I will try to take a second look to settle this) in the Richard Strauss Archives. From the look of the incipits, they are technically over-involved and mostly of curiosity value and not in line with what you would expect after looking at Mueller, Kopprasch, Gumpert, Franz, et al. I wonder if the original poster was actually thinking of Brahms' horn etudes. These are available (I have an old Klaas Weelinck KaWe Edition - Hans P. may have picked this title up and gotten it back in print) and, while not that great or even Brahmsian, are somewhat playable. Peter Hirsch ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pristine_%40hotmail.com _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] The Horn Effect Day
There hasn't been much news about The Horn Effect day in Pittsburgh on March 19th - so I just want to alert all players out there about this event. The Website is: http://www.pittsburghchambermusic.org/ed_out/2005/horn.php. The PSO's horn section is one of the best you will ever get a chance to hear! I'll be there with my full shop in tow too. If the above link doesn't work you can also find the link on the IHS site under upcoming horn events. Sincerely, Ken "Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow" http://www.poperepair.com US Dealer: Kuhn Horns & Bonna Cases Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Bells Up in Opera/Ballet
What is so important about "bell up" ? A "bad carnal sound" can be produced without "the bell in the air". One just needs the imagination & the playing abilities to do so. Right hand a bit wider open, more air - not pushed, but released - to sound a bit hollow. Did Strawinsky have "nordic lures" in mind or the antic Roman "Cornu", the over the shoulder horn ? And, carnal sounds must not be crude or bad. They could be also "solemn accompaniment of the sacrifice", some calls to the antic gods. Regarding Madame Buterfly: The same phrase as in question comes a few measures earlier but just in ff. Puccini wanted the horns play somewhat louder again (piu forte) & - as the accents show - with more emphasis, with more passion. And "Campana alzata" does not implicate "bell up - in the air" but also "bell up - from the regular position". Why ? Did you ever think about, what kind of horns they used during Puccini´s & during Mahler´s time ? They had just simple F-horns or Bb-horns (rarely), G-horns occasionally when playing higher stuff on the first chair. These horns had much less resonance mass than our double horns. So lifting the bell a bit higher from the knee than usual or higher from the usual position, could enforce the sound somewhat. But otherwise, "bell up" has no significance today & is widely misunderstood by the aerobic infront of the orchestra & by some over curious horn players. Poor musical world where cheap effects might count more than the real musical contents. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:49 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Bells Up in Opera/Ballet Beauty?? As in the Rite of Spring? Can the horn not produce required "bad carnal sounds"? Of course Mahler and Tchaikovsky are different. I still wonder why, if not for "eye candy" (sorry don't know the german translation). As far as Butterfly, if I remember right, Campana Alzata is notated at the end of the first act. He marks the horns ff and the rest of the orchestra f. RIght where Pinkerton and Butterfly are talking about how beautiful the night and the stars are...Puccini always the joker. Now why would Puccini have the horns wailing away with bells raised on straight eighth notes while the two singers were talking about the weather? LT ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Strauss Horn etudes
My goodness, a mature composer as a 50 years old Dukas is by no means better than a 16 year old Strauss - see the horn concerto opwhich is - even a favourite for us - a cheap infusion of Brahms, sorry, while "Villanelle" is a masterpiece, sorry. And , the op.17, the op.11 & the second concerto, plus Capriccio, Josephslegende, Heldenleben, Till, Don Juan, Aus Italien, Don Quixote, Alpine Symphony, Sinfonia domestica, Frau ohne Schatten, Salome, Elektra, Rosenkavalier, Ariadne, Helena in Egypt, Schweigsame Frau - all highlights & audition pieces for all horns ... If these two etudes would be worth publishing, I had got it published as I have a very good connection to the Strauss family, but they do not want them being published. Basta ! I have to respect that. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:33 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Strauss Horn etudes average stuff.??.orchestras all over the world play average stuff every night. Strauss has written only a handful of pieces for the horn, why are these veiled? Are they as horrid as the aforementioned Brahms etudes? Those are in print right? It seems there should be more of a push for these to see the light of day, its Strauss by God. Isn't Strauss at the age of 16 still better than Dukas at 50 or Hamilton Harty at 75? I think more of us hornplayers should be the judge of what is "average" Thanks for the help, your site is a treasure! LT ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Bells Up in Opera/Ballet
I thought this was a funny description: http://www.philharmonia.co.uk/thesoundexchange/the_orchestra/instruments/horns /effects/ LT ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] 6-Horn Scoring Ranges?
wow, real composer or a pharmaceutical rep? you be the judge. In the real world getting your diabetic blackouts taken care of, is much more important than what notes horn 5 and 6 play. Why not study the score to Mahler 1? Then if you write something someone has a problem with, you can just blame it on Gustav? Good luck with the compos...ur blood sugar. LT ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Bells Up in Opera/Ballet
Beauty?? As in the Rite of Spring? Can the horn not produce required "bad carnal sounds"? Of course Mahler and Tchaikovsky are different. I still wonder why, if not for "eye candy" (sorry don't know the german translation). As far as Butterfly, if I remember right, Campana Alzata is notated at the end of the first act. He marks the horns ff and the rest of the orchestra f. RIght where Pinkerton and Butterfly are talking about how beautiful the night and the stars are...Puccini always the joker. Now why would Puccini have the horns wailing away with bells raised on straight eighth notes while the two singers were talking about the weather? LT ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Strauss Horn etudes
average stuff.??.orchestras all over the world play average stuff every night. Strauss has written only a handful of pieces for the horn, why are these veiled? Are they as horrid as the aforementioned Brahms etudes? Those are in print right? It seems there should be more of a push for these to see the light of day, its Strauss by God. Isn't Strauss at the age of 16 still better than Dukas at 50 or Hamilton Harty at 75? I think more of us hornplayers should be the judge of what is "average" Thanks for the help, your site is a treasure! LT ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Bells Up in Opera/Ballet
Where in Madame Buterfly BTW "obsioulsy" is a nice legastenic. So should be "Adamme Tubrefyl". Really, have played the Madame Buterfly for nearly 50 years but never with "campana in alto" & cannot remember where this should be asked for. Could be in the finale act 3 or in the transition between acts 2 & 3. But I will check that. What is so important with the "bell up", what is so important with "crude & loud playing" Anyway, if written allready, it is not done with the bells up but as in Mahler or Strawinsky "with bell sidewards & more open". It is generally done with a great misunderstanding of the required technique. Most players/conductors just follow the text wordly, as they have no taste at all, no sense for beauty, even in the louder segment. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 7:51 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Bells Up in Opera/Ballet I thought it would be fun to compile a list pieces that use bells up while in the pit..namely in opera and in ballet. I always thought of bells up as a visual affect, obsioulsy some composers though differently. Ill start with a few that Im sure everyone knows Stravinsky Rite Puccini Butterfly Estancia (is that a ballet?) West Side Story LT ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Strauss Horn etudes
Surely I have heard about these, what do you think ? But they are a curiosity nothing else. Just a big name above average stuff. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 7:10 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Strauss Horn etudes No, I wasn't talking about Brahms or Franz Strauss, I was talking about Richard Strauss. He composed two early horn etuds, one in Eflat and one in E. Im really surprised no one has heard of these. Not even Hans? LT ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
