re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece buzzing
[Q] What are your thoughts on tongue placement in the mouth? I am getting lots of conflicting opinions on this. Some people think it should be high to facilitate good articulation, and others think it should be low to open up the oral cavity and sound ??? I guess...I'm not really sure why some people think it should be low. [/Q] I'm not Jonathon but as usual I'll give my opinion. Start flutter tonguing without the horn or mouthpiece. Move your tongue forward and back until you find the point the tongue moves the fastest. That should be your ideal spot for fast articulations. As to normal articulations, Dale talks about the tobacco tongue. In our current generations I call it the pop tongue since hopefully kids don't know about the sensation of spitting a piece of tobacco. Basically the idea is to release the tongue as if you were spitting a hair off of the tip of the tongue. This creates a slight 'pop' from the air release though not harsh. The best point for this type of articulation is at the edge of the teeth. Using this technique one can play very legato lines with definition of individual notes. Where many folks get into trouble with articulation is in slow legato passages. It is counter-intuitive but the fingers must move the valves firmly no matter the slow tempo and the tongue must always quickly get out of the way of the air flow. Many no speakies are caused by a slow tongue and poor air support. The Jack Attack! (54 days until freedom) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Flight case
Out of curiosity, do you have any experience with getting [the Thompson case] on smaller planes. Say, 2 and 2 or 2 and 1 configurations? - Tim Thompson No - but I'm usually too cheap to fly when I am traveling the short distances typically covered by such planes. I am quite certain, however, that it will not fit in those compartments. Timothy A. Johnson -Original Message- ... the Thompson case...easily fits in the overhead compartments of any larger aircraft... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Anybody in Edinburgh next week?
If so, do please come along to a concert I'm playing in on the Edinburgh Fringe. I'm playing in the St Clements Wind Ensemble, on 14, 15, 16 August in Canongate Kirk, at 5pm each day. The program is Milhaud The Creation of the World, Frank Martin Concerto for Wind and Piano, and Richard Strauss Sonatina No. 1 From an Invalid's Workshop. The Strauss especially has some lovely writing for the horn! If you come, do please introduce yourself afterwards, its always nice to meet in person people I only know by email. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: [horn] High Range
I'm still having troubles with my high range. Could you guys just give me a list of the components of a good high range? What to do, what not to do, etc.? Also, as I go higher, I tend to roll my bottom lip farther and farther over my bottom teeth, which exaggerates my overbite. Is this bad? Yes that is bad. I suspect that this is part of a wider problem, of generally tightening up as you go into the upper range. Not just lips, but throat and shoulders as well. The net effect of this whan I have seen it is that the player sounds like a strangled cow in the upper register, even for those notes he can reach. High notes are achieved with a surprisingly modest tightening of the lips. The main work done to reach high notes is done with the diaphragm, providing exta air support. To demonstrate this, play a long note in your upper register (but not right at the top of it), and try to slur up to the next harmonic by changing nothing but the amount of air support you provide. Try not to make any conscious changes in your lips at all. Also make a positive effort not to tighten your throat or to tense up in any other way. Gaining an upper register takes time and is tiring. Don't try to do too much each day, otherwise you will get into bad habits of increased tension and suchlike by trying while tired. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece buzzing
What are your thoughts on tongue placement in the mouth? I am getting lots of conflicting opinions on this. Some people think it should be high to facilitate good articulation, and others think it should be low to open up the oral cavity and sound ??? I guess...I'm not really sure why some people think it should be low. This is a point on which you will get conflicting opinions, based largely on the fact that none of us can actually see our tongues while playing, and we are relying on our imperfect ability to describe what we feel. I simply tongue in exactly the way I pronounce the letter 't', with the tongue against the same part of the roof of my mouth. For me, there is a small ridge of flesh behind the upper incisors, just before the roof of the mouth slopes upwards. That is what I tongue against for both normal and fast articulations. So (unlike John Dutton) my tongue does not touch the back of my teeth on any occasion. John also describes no speakies. My diagnosis of such occasions is that it is almost always not a defect in tonguing, but rather that the player is not maintaining enough air support. There should always be sufficient air to start and hold a note even without the use of the tongue to kick things off. The tongue then simply adds definition to the start of the note by interrupting the air column. If you ever find yourself suffering from this, try to huff the start of a note without tonguing it at all. Once you can do that, then huff the same amount and hold the air back with the tongue and then release it. Secure entries every time! When sustaining a note, my tongue simply rests in its normal place, where it would be if you sing aah. The idea is that when it is not being used, its job is to stay out of the way so as to give you an uninterrupted air passage. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: [horn] High Range
Oops, sorry about that, got my horn lists mixed up! Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Flight case
I flew to Montreal from Newark yesterday on an ERJ (1+2) I was lucky to fit my PC bag in the overhead. As I flew this plane before, I left my horn at home for this trip. Regards, Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johnson, Timothy A Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:23 AM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Flight case Out of curiosity, do you have any experience with getting [the Thompson case] on smaller planes. Say, 2 and 2 or 2 and 1 configurations? - Tim Thompson No - but I'm usually too cheap to fly when I am traveling the short distances typically covered by such planes. I am quite certain, however, that it will not fit in those compartments. Timothy A. Johnson -Original Message- ... the Thompson case...easily fits in the overhead compartments of any larger aircraft... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/joescarpelli%40earthlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Flight case
I mostly fly united air and southwest airlines, and I am a bit worried about their strict policy on carry ons. Does anyone have experience with a Thompson case on either of these airlines (especially smaller flights)? Thanks, Barbara _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Timothy F. Thompson, D.M.A. Sent: Tue 8/7/2007 6:58 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Flight case I will echo Phil Jacobs recommendation of the Thompson case. I have taken my horn all over the world in a Thompson case and have found it to be convenient, compact, lightweight, and protects my horn well. It is slightly larger than the dimensions specified by most airlines, but it easily fits in the overhead compartments of any larger aircraft (DC10's are just a bit snug, but it fits) and I have never had any trouble bringing it on the plane with me. Timothy A. Johnson - Mr. Johnson, Out of curiosity, do you have any experience with getting it on smaller planes. Say, 2 and 2 or 2 and 1 configurations? Tim Thompson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/barbara_rutledge%40berea.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Flight case
For what it's worth, I fly Southwest all the time and they've always been more than willing to accommodate me even when I didn't have a flight case. (I use the Bona MB7 now and it fits on every plane I've been on). Usually, I explain to the airline personnel what it is and they understand. If worse comes to worse, I've had to give it to a flight attendant upon boarding and she placed it elsewhere on the plane (in the passenger cabin, not the cargo hold) and gave it back to me when we landed. The same was true on a small (2+1 configuration) Continental Airlines flight. They were very kind and held it for me until landing. On a slightly different note, I have actually been asked to play my horn by airport security. Their rationale was that something could be hidden inside. So, I did the only thing I could in that situation - Til. ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Rutledge Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:29 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Flight case I mostly fly united air and southwest airlines, and I am a bit worried about their strict policy on carry ons. Does anyone have experience with a Thompson case on either of these airlines (especially smaller flights)? Thanks, Barbara _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Timothy F. Thompson, D.M.A. Sent: Tue 8/7/2007 6:58 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Flight case I will echo Phil Jacobs recommendation of the Thompson case. I have taken my horn all over the world in a Thompson case and have found it to be convenient, compact, lightweight, and protects my horn well. It is slightly larger than the dimensions specified by most airlines, but it easily fits in the overhead compartments of any larger aircraft (DC10's are just a bit snug, but it fits) and I have never had any trouble bringing it on the plane with me. Timothy A. Johnson - Mr. Johnson, Out of curiosity, do you have any experience with getting it on smaller planes. Say, 2 and 2 or 2 and 1 configurations? Tim Thompson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/barbara_rutledge%40berea. edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.c om No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/941 - Release Date: 8/7/2007 4:06 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/941 - Release Date: 8/7/2007 4:06 PM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Ear Problems
Hi All, I just thought I would add a little old fashioned remedies to the ear thing. When I was quite young I used to have ear infections all the time. My mother would take the juice of a hot onion strong onion warm it up and put a couple of drops in my ear. I would have almost instant relief. I was wondering if anyone else out there had the same experience, and for some of you scientist types, I was wondering if you had any thought as to why this might have helped. Would it have been the enzymes in the onion juice or some such thing??? And again thanks to all for your encouragement concerning my upcoming surgery. Milton Milton Kicklighter 4th horn Buffalo Phil Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Ear Problems
Interesting... I assume it's pretty similar in concept to the garlic oil since they are in the same family. I have to admit, I went and tried the garlic oil trick last night. (I'm in dire emergency here - Sunday morning I woke up with a raging ear infection after not having had one for more than 10 years! It turns out, I'm down in Daytona to record the AHQ and I couldn't bear the feeling of headphones on my head with this infection!) The great news is, the garlic oil worked wonderfully! It smells QUITE pungent, but it works. I put a capsules worth in my ear last night before I slept and woke up with a MUCH better feeling! The only problem now is that I woke up with this horrible hankering for Pizza or Baked Ziti! That doesn't make for a good breakfast!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Milton Kicklighter Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:28 AM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Ear Problems Hi All, I just thought I would add a little old fashioned remedies to the ear thing. When I was quite young I used to have ear infections all the time. My mother would take the juice of a hot onion strong onion warm it up and put a couple of drops in my ear. I would have almost instant relief. I was wondering if anyone else out there had the same experience, and for some of you scientist types, I was wondering if you had any thought as to why this might have helped. Would it have been the enzymes in the onion juice or some such thing??? And again thanks to all for your encouragement concerning my upcoming surgery. Milton Milton Kicklighter 4th horn Buffalo Phil Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.c om No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/941 - Release Date: 8/7/2007 4:06 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/941 - Release Date: 8/7/2007 4:06 PM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Ear Problems
Hi Jeremy, and All at the AHQ I hope all of you are enjoying the AHQ. Please give my regards to my student and friend Amy Early and to the guys in the Quartet. Especially to Heather. She keeps them straight. And everyone, have a little wine for me. Tell her I expect her to begin work on the Strauss 1 when she returns. :) Try the onion juice thing if the ear ache comes back. Get the real thing though. And oh yes, tell Amy and others that might have been or are from Buffalo and all Italian food lovers: Last night I had the most wonderful meal at Franks Little Italy. Amy will explain it to you. :) I will be eating left overs for two days. --- Jeremy Cucco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting... I assume it's pretty similar in concept to the garlic oil since they are in the same family. I have to admit, I went and tried the garlic oil trick last night. (I'm in dire emergency here - Sunday morning I woke up with a raging ear infection after not having had one for more than 10 years! It turns out, I'm down in Daytona to record the AHQ and I couldn't bear the feeling of headphones on my head with this infection!) The great news is, the garlic oil worked wonderfully! It smells QUITE pungent, but it works. I put a capsules worth in my ear last night before I slept and woke up with a MUCH better feeling! The only problem now is that I woke up with this horrible hankering for Pizza or Baked Ziti! That doesn't make for a good breakfast!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Milton Kicklighter Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:28 AM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Ear Problems Hi All, I just thought I would add a little old fashioned remedies to the ear thing. When I was quite young I used to have ear infections all the time. My mother would take the juice of a hot onion strong onion warm it up and put a couple of drops in my ear. I would have almost instant relief. I was wondering if anyone else out there had the same experience, and for some of you scientist types, I was wondering if you had any thought as to why this might have helped. Would it have been the enzymes in the onion juice or some such thing??? And again thanks to all for your encouragement concerning my upcoming surgery. Milton Milton Kicklighter 4th horn Buffalo Phil Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.c om No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/941 - Release Date: 8/7/2007 4:06 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/941 - Release Date: 8/7/2007 4:06 PM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Re: [Hornlist] Flight case
In the past I have had several problems getting my horn on the smaller planes. However, since I purchased a Bonna case that has a removable bell section, I have had no problems at all. Recently flying between Stockholm and Oslo, I encountered the most adamant flight attendant who insisted that the horn was just NOT going on the plane. I unzipped the bell section from the body of the case and showed her that the body could go in the overhead compartment, and the bell section under the seat. She didn't know what to say except I guess that will work. This is the only case I now use or will use for flying. For those not familiar with this case, it has two sections: one for the body of the horn and another for the bell. The two zip together to form a normal shaped Bonna case. Paul Navarro Custom Horn Lyric Opera of Chicago (ret). ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Ear Problems
On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Milton Kicklighter wrote:
Hi All,
I just thought I would add a little old fashioned remedies to the
ear
thing.
When I was quite young I used to have ear infections all the time. My
mother would take the juice of a hot onion strong onion
warm it up
and put a couple of drops in my ear. I would have almost instant
relief.
I was wondering if anyone else out there had the same experience,
and for
some of you scientist types, I was wondering if you had any thought
as to
why this might have helped. Would it have been the enzymes in the
onion
juice or some such thing???
At the risk of taking this discussion even farther afield from the
horn world, I'll bite. I'm a professional research biologist.
Here are some hypotheses that could be tested:
1. Any warm liquid will provide relief.
2. Any warm oil will provide relief.
3. A warm liquid with the same physical properties of warm onion
juice (pH {acidity}, viscosity {ability to flow}, mixture of oil +
water, osmolarity {salt concentration}, etc.) will provide relief.
4. There is some specific ingredient in onions (or garlic) that
provides relief.
Here's how you do the experiment. When you have an ear infection
(ideally in both ears so that you have a control), have a friend make
two preparations: one of, say warm saline (dissolve about 1/4 tsp
table salt in a half-cup of water, or for our metric friends, about 1
gm salt into 100 ml water), and another of warm onion juice. Without
them telling you which is which (this is important!), have them apply
a different solution to each ear. Which ear feels better? Then you
can ask them which solution went into each ear.
You can do the same with, say, garlic oil and some other control
solution, for example, some other type of oil.
The reason you shouldn't know which solution goes into each of your
ears is due to the placebo effect, which is that if you tell somebody
that a substance will have a specific effect, then for a very large
percentage of the population, that person will experience that effect.
If it turns out that it is all about onions or garlic, then you would
try dividing the solution into it its constituent components to
figure out the active ingredient.
It is all about doing the correct experiment!
Until somebody shows me the data from a proper, controlled
experiments, I view all claims for therapeutic value with great
skepticism, though of course I'm always willing to do the experiment.
Anyway, if anybody wants to continue this discussion, I suggest that
we do so off-list. (I'm happy to, and would be *really* intrigued
if some of you with chronic ear infections were to do some
experiments.)
OK, to bring this back to horn issues: as long as we are talking
about experimental design, I'm delighted to hear about the
experiments where the investigators actually *observed* the throats
of wind players in action. *Very* cool!
Carlisle
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[Hornlist] NHR: Rubinstein plays Beethoven's 4th concerto!
I highly recommend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7ODJHUX_EMmode=relatedsearch= which is Rubinstein playing the last movement of the Beethoven 4th piano concerto. I remember when this was on (network!) TV. It's the first time I ever heard the work. This is my favorite piece of music, of which I've never grown tired. Even nowadays when I find it annoying to hear any classical music at all and just want the [EMAIL PROTECTED] noise turned off, the Beethoven G major still does not pale. Anybody recognize the players? I remember the conductor was Wallenstein. Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR: Rubinstein plays Beethoven's 4th concerto!
I think the conductor is Antal Dorati? --- Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I highly recommend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7ODJHUX_EMmode=relatedsearch= which is Rubinstein playing the last movement of the Beethoven 4th piano concerto. I remember when this was on (network!) TV. It's the first time I ever heard the work. This is my favorite piece of music, of which I've never grown tired. Even nowadays when I find it annoying to hear any classical music at all and just want the [EMAIL PROTECTED] noise turned off, the Beethoven G major still does not pale. Anybody recognize the players? I remember the conductor was Wallenstein. Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Flight case
The TE cases probably won't fit on smaller planes. The MB7 compact case should fit. I recently traveled on a smaller plane with my full size MB7 case and they allowed me to carry it on but it did not fit in overhead (it very nearly fit though). On one plane the stewardess allowed me to put it in the closet (which is supposed to be for the airline employees only); on another plane I had to hold it in my lap. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Scarpelli Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:49 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Flight case I flew to Montreal from Newark yesterday on an ERJ (1+2) I was lucky to fit my PC bag in the overhead. As I flew this plane before, I left my horn at home for this trip. Regards, Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johnson, Timothy A Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:23 AM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Flight case Out of curiosity, do you have any experience with getting [the Thompson case] on smaller planes. Say, 2 and 2 or 2 and 1 configurations? - Tim Thompson No - but I'm usually too cheap to fly when I am traveling the short distances typically covered by such planes. I am quite certain, however, that it will not fit in those compartments. Timothy A. Johnson -Original Message- ... the Thompson case...easily fits in the overhead compartments of any larger aircraft... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/joescarpelli%40earthlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Brass Instrument related...
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[Hornlist] Re: Mouthpiece buzzing
Being a little on the obtuse side, I resisted the whole notion of buzzing, because I just couldn't see the point. I had the privilege to have a lesson w/ Wendell Rider in July he took me thru the paces with buzzing the mouthpiece using air only to gently slide, glissando style up and down a step or two from second line G. Nothing big, dramatic, just slowly gently up down with air while resisting the urge to lip it. I was fuzzy on why I was doing it, but I've persisted with the hope that I'd eventually grasp the concept. It's been a month now that I've spent just a few minutes a day buzzing I'm starting to see, feel hear benefits from it. It helping me get the feel of finer control of the air stream it's effect on pitch tone. I tend to be too lippy the gentle slow buzzing using only air to raise lower the pitch gives me another tool to develop better tone. Hmmm Does this make sense to anyone? ~Valerie, balanced embouchure student ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR: Rubinstein plays Beethoven's 4th concerto!
Good eye, Milton. It's Antal Dorati and the London Philharmonic from a 1967 concert. Rubinstein was 80 at the time. It's on an EMI DVD with other concert video of Heifetz and Piatigorsky. Cheers, Steve Ovitsky -- Original Message --- From: Milton Kicklighter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Hornlist] NHR: Rubinstein plays Beethoven's 4th concerto! I think the conductor is Antal Dorati? --- Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I highly recommend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7ODJHUX_EMmode=relatedsearch= which is Rubinstein playing the last movement of the Beethoven 4th piano concerto. I remember when this was on (network!) TV. It's the first time I ever heard the work. This is my favorite piece of music, of which I've never grown tired. Even nowadays when I find it annoying to hear any classical music at all and just want the [EMAIL PROTECTED] noise turned off, the Beethoven G major still does not pale. Anybody recognize the players? I remember the conductor was Wallenstein. Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com __ __ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/sotone%40cybermesa.com --- End of Original Message --- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Flight case
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Barbara Rutledge wrote:
I mostly fly united air and southwest airlines, and I am a bit worried about their
strict policy on carry ons. Does anyone have experience with a Thompson case
on either of these airlines (especially smaller flights)?
Thanks,
Barbara
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I fly USAIR and America West often, and sometimes Southwest; they seem
to always use an Airbus 319 or 320. I use an Olds horn case - it fits
perfectly in the overhead compartment, but you have to kind of twist it
in. The critical dimension is the bell diameter, which is 13 inches.
The overhead compartment in 747 planes is a hair smaller, and this case
won't quite fit. USAIR folks at the gate never took any interest in my
horn - I don't know of any strict policy. If the gatekeeper is on your
left side, hold your horn on your right side with your 2nd carry-on bag
on top of it while you distract him/her with your boarding pass in your
left hand. Don't draw attention to it, pass by in a crowd.
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[Hornlist] Re: Ear Problems, NHR unless you have an earache
On Aug 8, 2007, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
message: 4
date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:58:48 -0400
from: Carlisle Landel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
subject: Re: [Hornlist] Ear Problems
At the risk of taking this discussion even farther afield from the
horn world, I'll bite. I'm a professional research biologist.
Here are some hypotheses that could be tested:
1. Any warm liquid will provide relief.
2. Any warm oil will provide relief.
3. A warm liquid with the same physical properties of warm onion
juice (pH {acidity}, viscosity {ability to flow}, mixture of oil +
water, osmolarity {salt concentration}, etc.) will provide relief.
4. There is some specific ingredient in onions (or garlic) that
provides relief.
Here's how you do the experiment. When you have an ear infection
(ideally in both ears so that you have a control), have a friend make
two preparations: one of, say warm saline (dissolve about 1/4 tsp
table salt in a half-cup of water, or for our metric friends, about 1
gm salt into 100 ml water), and another of warm onion juice. Without
them telling you which is which (this is important!), have them apply
a different solution to each ear. Which ear feels better? Then you
can ask them which solution went into each ear.
You can do the same with, say, garlic oil and some other control
solution, for example, some other type of oil.
The reason you shouldn't know which solution goes into each of your
ears is due to the placebo effect, which is that if you tell somebody
that a substance will have a specific effect, then for a very large
percentage of the population, that person will experience that effect.
If it turns out that it is all about onions or garlic, then you would
try dividing the solution into it its constituent components to
figure out the active ingredient.
It is all about doing the correct experiment!
Until somebody shows me the data from a proper, controlled
experiments, I view all claims for therapeutic value with great
skepticism, though of course I'm always willing to do the experiment.
Anyway, if anybody wants to continue this discussion, I suggest that
we do so off-list. (I'm happy to, and would be *really* intrigued
if some of you with chronic ear infections were to do some
experiments.)
Carlisle
Well, I used to have an herb and vitamin business and took some
excellent training about nutrition and herbal remedies. As a result I
changed my life for the positive by being more careful of what I took
into my body, which is much better than abusing it with fast food and
other junk and then looking for a pill 30 years later to cure all
your ills. Drug companies love the fact that we are such bad eaters.
They make billions off it every year. I have taken antibiotics once
in 25 years- for an infected spider bite.
Garlic has known antibiotic and blood thinning properties to name a
couple of things. It really is a miracle food. I would say that
garlic oil in the ear is best, onion oil next and then a saline
solution, which also has curative effects. I'm not willing to buy
that warm motor oil or plain water would have similar effects,
although it wouldn't surprise me.
Placebos are actually a very important part of natural medicine.
After all, wouldn't you rather get relief from something that has no
side effects than something that does? Many drugs just mask symptoms
anyway. They don't actually cure anything. The placebo effect is a
good thing. The next time you go to the doctor for antibiotics for a
cold, get a placebo instead. If you want to get a good scare, read a
Physicians Desk Reference and check out the side effects of all our
popular drugs. What is pathetic and shameful is that drug companies
constantly try to clamp down on herbs and vitamins if they can find
any little thing that might be construed as a bad reaction or side
effect. In fact, over the thousands of years that herbal remedies
have been used there have been less accountable problems than about
one week of drug use- a lot less. In my lifetime only one herb,
Lobelia, was pulled from the market in its pure form, and this was a
crock. Tryptophane, an amino acid, was also pulled because of a bad
batch from Japan and general abuse because it was sold over the
counter in health food stores and people, used to the idea that if
you take a little of something (the pill mentality) a lot more will
be better, took huge doses to help themselves sleep better.
Another mistake made by drug companies is the idea that you should
isolate the active ingredient in order to produce a viable drug. In
nature, where most drugs have originated, there are natural balancers
that preclude the problems of side effects and promote ingestion by
the body without hurting the liver or kidneys. Of course the
synthetic version is more powerful, but the side effects are scary.
There are several poisons in a potato, which has over 100 elements in
it. How many people die
RE: [Hornlist] Flight case
Goldberg, a man of the people.
(his longtime friend)
Shel
-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
David Goldberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:46 PM
To: The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Flight case
If the gatekeeper is on your
left side, hold your horn on your right side with your 2nd carry-on bag
on top of it while you distract him/her with your boarding pass in your
left hand. Don't draw attention to it, pass by in a crowd.
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{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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Re: [Hornlist] NHR: Rubinstein plays Beethoven's 4th concerto!
Thanks, I had the privilege of playing for him once when I was in the San Antonio symphony. We did the New World, and even though the section played on Alexs, he had us put our bells up because he thought our sounds were to dark. And George Yaeger... first horn... was playing a single Bb Alex and used almost no hand in the bell. This would have been somewhere around 1964 or 65. Figure. Milton Milton Kicklighter 4th horn Buffalo Phil --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good eye, Milton. It's Antal Dorati and the London Philharmonic from a 1967 concert. Rubinstein was 80 at the time. It's on an EMI DVD with other concert video of Heifetz and Piatigorsky. Cheers, Steve Ovitsky -- Original Message --- From: Milton Kicklighter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Hornlist] NHR: Rubinstein plays Beethoven's 4th concerto! I think the conductor is Antal Dorati? --- Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I highly recommend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7ODJHUX_EMmode=relatedsearch= which is Rubinstein playing the last movement of the Beethoven 4th piano concerto. I remember when this was on (network!) TV. It's the first time I ever heard the work. This is my favorite piece of music, of which I've never grown tired. Even nowadays when I find it annoying to hear any classical music at all and just want the [EMAIL PROTECTED] noise turned off, the Beethoven G major still does not pale. Anybody recognize the players? I remember the conductor was Wallenstein. Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com __ __ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/sotone%40cybermesa.com --- End of Original Message --- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Mouthpiece buzzing
That makes sense to me. I'm confused mostly about tongue placement in the lower register. One teacher keeps telling me to raise my tongue for crisper articulation that is on top of the beat. My tuba playing colleague thinks the tongue should be lower to create a more open sound I guess...When I tongue this way I consistently end up behind, but the sound quality seems to be more tuba like. I finally ended up lowering my tongue in the back of my throat, but raising the tip of it to reach a happy medium. I still get confused sometimes though. On 8/8/07, Valerie WELLS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being a little on the obtuse side, I resisted the whole notion of buzzing, because I just couldn't see the point. I had the privilege to have a lesson w/ Wendell Rider in July he took me thru the paces with buzzing the mouthpiece using air only to gently slide, glissando style up and down a step or two from second line G. Nothing big, dramatic, just slowly gently up down with air while resisting the urge to lip it. I was fuzzy on why I was doing it, but I've persisted with the hope that I'd eventually grasp the concept. It's been a month now that I've spent just a few minutes a day buzzing I'm starting to see, feel hear benefits from it. It helping me get the feel of finer control of the air stream it's effect on pitch tone. I tend to be too lippy the gentle slow buzzing using only air to raise lower the pitch gives me another tool to develop better tone. Hmmm Does this make sense to anyone? ~Valerie, balanced embouchure student ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/sallym.of.mclaurin%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Pedagogical tools (was Mouthpiece buzzing)
Hi Jonathan, I did not intend to imply that Reba was a beginning or unprofessional player. That is why I changed the subject line and omitted her original comments that prompted the new thread. I was responding to your comment that buzzing had little value. As others have supplied better articulated support for a similar position such as held by Arnold Jacobs, I'll leave it at that. This does, however, lead me to wonder about some of the pedagogical tools that are used without necessarily understanding why or when they may no longer be useful ( I am certainly not referring to anyone on this list). Thus, if Arnold Jacobs recommended buzzing a particular song and that got passed along without his rationale, it may be that it has taken on the status of a totem. Perhaps its value does not require full comprehension, but I suspect that it will be more valuable if understood. I'll give another example. I was at a middle school concert not too long ago, and it sounded like there was a 50 member percussion section. Nearly all the players were dutifully tapping (some almost stomping) their right foot, just as their teacher told them to. My sons were taught, as I was taught, to tap a foot in order to internalize the beat. At what point does one instruct students to break that habit? I never was. I play in the Minnesota State Band; we had one recording session ruined because someone was heavily tapping a foot and it was picked up by the recording equipment. How about tuning one's horn to concert B flat (just because that is what the band always tunes to)? Are there any others out there? Timothy A. Johnson -Original Message- From: Jonathan West Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:11 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece buzzing Hi Timothy Reba by all accounts is a fairly advanced player - she had a professional position in an army band. ... Therefore your point with regard to younger players is probably not applicable to her. ... Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Flight case
Loren Mayhew wrote: The TE cases probably won't fit on smaller planes. The MB7 compact case should fit. I recently traveled on a smaller plane with my full size MB7 case and they allowed me to carry it on but it did not fit in overhead (it very nearly fit though). Has anyone seen or tried the new MB8? At 24x14x6.5 it's a bit wider than the MB7C (20x14x8) but thinner. Which dimension usually poses the biggest problem in small overhead compartments? Greg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pedagogical tools (was Mouthpiece buzzing)
The most I ever buzzed in my life was when I was teaching a bunch of beginners..I buzzed with them all the time...but now I don't teach any beginners...so now I never buzzz :( On 8/8/07, Johnson, Timothy A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jonathan, I did not intend to imply that Reba was a beginning or unprofessional player. That is why I changed the subject line and omitted her original comments that prompted the new thread. I was responding to your comment that buzzing had little value. As others have supplied better articulated support for a similar position such as held by Arnold Jacobs, I'll leave it at that. This does, however, lead me to wonder about some of the pedagogical tools that are used without necessarily understanding why or when they may no longer be useful ( I am certainly not referring to anyone on this list). Thus, if Arnold Jacobs recommended buzzing a particular song and that got passed along without his rationale, it may be that it has taken on the status of a totem. Perhaps its value does not require full comprehension, but I suspect that it will be more valuable if understood. I'll give another example. I was at a middle school concert not too long ago, and it sounded like there was a 50 member percussion section. Nearly all the players were dutifully tapping (some almost stomping) their right foot, just as their teacher told them to. My sons were taught, as I was taught, to tap a foot in order to internalize the beat. At what point does one instruct students to break that habit? I never was. I play in the Minnesota State Band; we had one recording session ruined because someone was heavily tapping a foot and it was picked up by the recording equipment. How about tuning one's horn to concert B flat (just because that is what the band always tunes to)? Are there any others out there? Timothy A. Johnson -Original Message- From: Jonathan West Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:11 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece buzzing Hi Timothy Reba by all accounts is a fairly advanced player - she had a professional position in an army band. ... Therefore your point with regard to younger players is probably not applicable to her. ... Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/sallym.of.mclaurin%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
