Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 40, Issue 24
Just sign me up for the next Karlheinz Stockhausen / Leroy Anderson marathon -- the best of both worlds. Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ At 03:05 PM 4/20/2006, you wrote: I can't quite decide if this message is trolling or not, but I'm going to bite whether it's flame-bait or not -- message: 1 date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:00:28 -0400 from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] New Newsletter You are invited to examine the premiere issue of the Audience- friendly Contemporary Art Music Newsletter Vol. 1 No. 1 =96 April 2006. = Audience-friendly contemporary art music consists of modern compositions written by living composers that are based in tonality, that contain a recognizable melodic idea, that use dissonance with discretion, that exhibit craftmanship in keeping with the art music tradition, and are acoustic rather than electronic. If you're look ing for audience-friendly, I suggest you visit the pop music isle of your local record store -- even with an acoustic bias, I'm sure you'll find lots of singer/songwriter albums to choose from. If that's not bourgeois enough for you, you can move on to the film- score section as well; it's designed as background music, so any thought-provoking moments will be purely accidental. Art music is audience-unfriendly by nature. Really listening to a Schubert song or a Mahler symphony is a truly exhausting activity -- it's to listening what the Boston Marathon is to jogging. Sure, one can just let the surface details wash over you, ignoring the depths and structures that make it art music, but one can also put ketchup on filet mignon. At that point, the music is as much art music as the drowned filet mignon is gourmet. I also don't understand this obsession with tonality. Debussy, Satie, Copland -- these composer rarely write tonal music. Strauss and Liszt often wrote post-tonal (and Strauss sometimes even achieved full Semusic. Their music is pretty (though that's not related to their depth, importance, or meaning as art), but that's has nothing to do with tonality. Valuing art because it's pretty is also frustrating. There are a lot of people who just glance at a Van Gough or a Monet and think how nice before moving on. In doing so they miss the inherent power of the works and often the point of them. Van Gough's Starry Night isn't a nice painting -- it's very dark if you pay attention. Dissonance is not a bad thing. To a large extent, it's what distinguishes Bach from his forgotten contemporaries and certainly from his predecessors. Dissonance is what pulls the heart strings in a Puccini aria. I'd even argue that at our point in history, dissonance is a complete misnomer -- something isn't dissonant (a tonal/pre-tonal which implies a mandatory resolution; unresolved dissonances disqualify a piece from being labeled as tonal), it's harmonically complex. Go back and listen to some more Wagner. He's usually structurally tonal, resolving the dissonances, but does the beauty of the music lie in the resolution of those dissonances (ie. tonal treatment of), or is it the richness of the colors while he sustains them? Limiting one's repertoire by a criteria that's irrelevant to the quality of the music seems silly to me. That's how one ends up at Disney films all the time, ignoring Bergman, Kurosawa, and Wells. This probably qualifies as a flame, but I just couldn't let that one pass. ___ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/319 - Release Date: 4/19/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] [NHR] Bernie Glow -- Lead Player
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Re: [Hornlist] Eb Horn??
Same fingerings as trumpet, cornet, flugel horn, etc. -AC. ~~ does anyone now own or play an Eb HORN??? I am most curious about the fingering sequence. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/310 - Release Date: 4/12/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] OT - Haydn trumpet concerti
Wrote it for key bugle, right? Not modern-day Bach Strad. -AC. ~~~ At 04:52 PM 4/12/2006, you wrote: Haydn only wrote one trumpet concerto Steve, fairly certain about that. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/309 - Release Date: 4/11/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Today Is
I thought it was Sidd Finch -- if it's the same guy I'm thinking of, wasn't he the1st successful major league switch-pitcher.-AC. At 03:41 PM 4/1/2006, you wrote: Today is the day the world was formally introduced to perhaps one of the greatest horn players of all times (as well as outstanding professional baseball pitcher), Sidd Fitch. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 3/31/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Endurance
Practice, practice, practice. Range comes from endurance. Endurance does not come from range. -- Alan [ -- Chops Of Steel -- ] Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ I am currently in my second semester of university and am having a difficult time building any endurance (esp high range endurance). -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/287 - Release Date: 3/21/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] re: Horns on Ebay
Shucks, look at Hyundai -- was pretty much junk when it hit the USA market, now it's sales are up it's offering some pretty decent cars for the money. Then again, there was Yugo. Full Disclosure: I drive USA-branded cars made elsewhere in North America (Mexico, Canada) by a company owned in Germany. I play horns made in USA, plus 1 made in Japan, 1 made in West Germany (back when there was a West Germany). -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ The moral of the story: low cost, poor quality imports don't always stay low cost and poor quality. Look at Jupiter. They are constantly improving their quality, but of course, the cost goes up all the time. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.4/283 - Release Date: 3/16/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] horns on ebay
Last year I bought 2 really homely, semi-ugly, completely unprepossessing damaged eBay 6Ds that, when straightened out cleaned up, turned out to play great -- excellent sound, good intonation, easy response -- just nice, easy-playing high low mid-range horns. I resold 1 of them (on eBay) for big bucks. The other is ready for the same fate -- except that it plays so well that I'm semi-reluctant to let it go despite its exceedingly modest appearance low-status marque. Maybe I should keep the nice playing 6D sell off something else that's worth more -- e.g., my eBay customized Yamaha YHR-668N. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.4/282 - Release Date: 3/15/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Green-horn Questions
Be careful of those Blessing-Getzen compensating double horns -- the ones that look like this: http://i16.ebayimg.com/04/i/06/5e/d5/b1_1_b.JPG They might be perfectly fine horns -- if you could grip them comfortably with the left hand. But the way the tubes radiate out of the thumb-operated change valve prevents the player's left thumb from going as far forward as it needs to for comfort. When I tried playing 1 of those some years back I had to hold my left thumb back so far, with just the ball of the thumb on the valve lever, that I declared that model of horn unplayable. Too bad. Those horns might be perfectly fine -- acoustically -- as far as intonation, sound quality, all those other things are concerned. But if you can't hold 1 comfortably in playing position, then all those other factors go for naught. Try the horn for yourself. If you can hold it comfortably, then maybe you might be able to play it OK find out on the basis of your own experience whether it sounds good, plays in tune, responds well, has nice resistance (not too much, not too little), etc. Or, if you really like how the horn plays still have trouble with that problem of a seriously uncomfortable left-hand position on the horn, maybe a duck foot or palm-strap or some helpful accessory like that would remedy the problem, I don't know. However that may be, there are so many good-playing comfortable horns out there -- full doubles compensating doubles -- that I don't even bother with Blessing-Getzen compensating horns other similar instruments I have discovered to be unplayable. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ Second, a local shop has found a used double horn for me that I am thinking of getting. It is a Getzen Elkhorn, Serial Number 02767, It has: 157, 158, 159 stamped on the valves and valve caps 56 stamped on the Bb valve and valve cap 56 stamped on the keys I do not know what these numbers are for, maybe replacement part numbers? Something unique about it, I thought, was that all of the rotors have mechanical linkage to the keys; there are no strings for rotating the valves. It is a Kruspe style wrap horn. It comes with a Reynolds-Pottag Model 6A Mouthpiece. It has dents and lacquer missing, but plays fine, to the store's and my knowledge. Does anyone have any comments to make on such a horn? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.2/274 - Release Date: 3/3/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] start off on an F horn?
Dear Friends -- Any student learning to play horn as a beginner should always get started on a single horn in F, whether switching to horn from some other instrument or starting out on horn as the student's very first brass instrument. Starting on an F single horn is important not only to keep matters simple for the beginning player, but also so the student will form the correct concept of how the horn is supposed to sound, how it is supposed to respond up down the scale, the basics of how it works, the fundamental orientation response of the horn's characteristic range voice, etc. After an appropriate degree of progress, the horn student will be ready to graduate from a single horn in F to a double horn in F B-flat. That's how my old teacher explained it, anyhow. I believed it back then (1955) I still believe it today. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ At 10:01 PM 3/1/2006, you wrote: On 3 2, 2006, at 3:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One more thing - why do Horn students start off on an F horn? I cannot see why teachers would want to make life so difficult for them. Do professionals use F horns? Not within 10 000 miles of here - far too challenging! I tried it once, and do not recommend it! David Watson Victoria, B.C. Canada. I'd put it more simply: starting on the F-horn makes you develop an accurate effective embouchure while you are young and still able to acquire habits easily. (Maybe it's too late to apply the same thinking to adults.) The Bb side may get you playing high notes sooner, but my (admittedly limited) experience shows that kids driven to play band competition pieces within months of picking up the instrument develop all kinds of trick embouchures to cope, and later find problems with other normal kinds of playing; low notes, pianissimo, wide intervals, nice tone, etc. (Must admit though, I started on a tenor horn (mellophone to you?) simply because I was too weedy to hold the real thing! No I didn't. I started on a very long garden hose, 10~15 yards. Didn't need any valves!) :-) Simon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/272 - Release Date: 3/1/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] start off on an F horn?
Think of bicycle riding. Most of us learnt on a simple 1-speed 2-wheeler before advancing to a 10-speed racer or 18-speed mountain bike. (Shucks, some of us even used training wheels -- but that's another story.) Never hurts to start simple, then move on to something more advanced later on -- even in the world of learning to play horn. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/272 - Release Date: 3/1/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Transposing
Dear Friends, It sounds perverse, but it's true: Anything Worth Doing Is Worth Doing Poorly. Think about it: If nobody could or should play horn except those people who can do all the transpositions, sight-read all parts in any key any clef, play accompaniments on piano, then lots of folks who can play in tune with reasonable facility, who regularly play musically with pleasing, characteristic sound, who can woodshed tricky passages up to performance-quality, who can play stopped, who can double- triple-tongue cleanly, who can play high, low, mid-range, who pay attention to dynamics, who are experienced dependable ensemble players, etc. -- in short, amateurs like me who can do many of the facets of horn playing well, some poorly, others not at all -- well, if folks like us had to be able to do everything the professionals do or otherwise not play, then we would have to hang up our horns. That's not right or necessary, is it? So while it is true that good horn players should be able to do all those things do everything well, it does not necessarily follow that players who can't shouldn't even attempt to play. Better we should do as much as we can as well as we can, while striving for improvement so long as we are able, than that we should give up even trying. In truth, lots of us amateur hacks play over our heads, performing at times way over our actual level of ability. Then again, we mostly know what we can do at a quality performance level what we cannot do, so we stick to what is possible, while striving to expand the range of what is possible, continuing our efforts to get better become able to do more, play harder tunes, sound better, learn more, become more like you. In short, we get the best equipment we can we practice we improve if we can. From the way we sound when you hear us play, you might not even know right off how fundamentally incomplete we are as hornists. Sure, pretty soon you would catch on. But if you were honest, you would also have to say, Hey, who are those guys? They sound pretty good. Does anybody agree with this outlook? Surely I am not the only amateur on the list (even if I am close to the rankest). -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ Basic facility at the piano ought to be required of every musician, in my opinion. It is a requirement at every conservatory and every university music department I know. Typically some majors, e.g., conductors and composers, are required to have a higher level, but all instrumentalists should be able to negotiate a simple folk song and accompaniment in all twelve keys at the keyboard. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 2/24/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] All In The Family
Dear Friends -- Both my sons are musical -- Brian (38) is a community-music saxophonist clarinetist who plays mainly with the City of Fairfax Band in Virginia (bass clarinet) the Fairfax Saxophone Quartet (tenor sax). Brian's brother -- Cole Alanson (35) -- is a West Coast musician learning that the life of a road-gigging keyboardist-vocalist is no bed of roses. His sticking with it these past 10 years is a sign of his dedication to the art. Here's an Internet link you can use to see a picture of Cole Alanson listen to some of his rock roll tunes... http://www.myspace.com/colealansonprojectmusic Regards. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 2/24/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Fingering chart Mellaphone
Use trumpet-cornet or TC baritone fingering chart for Eb mellophone. (When you ask for the trumpet-cornet or baritone fingering chart, don't tell anybody the real reason you want it.) For F mellophone, use the same fingering chart but play every note 1 step lower than written on the Eb parts. Good luck. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ At 12:35 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: I am looking for a fingering chart for both an older Eb and F Mellaphone. Would anyone that has one please e-mail them to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. Tom McKenzie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0/248 - Release Date: 2/1/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Dennis Brain's horn)
Conventional wisdom is that he started on Raoux-Milleraux (an authentic French horn, as it were, made in France) then switched to a single horn in B-flat made by Gebr. Alexander. A photo of him wearing white tie actually playing an Alexander Bb horn is the cover illustration on some of the Dennis Brain albums. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ At 10:17 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: Does anyone know what kind of horn or horns Dennis Brain played? Where are they? Who has them? Who made them? One of my students is curious and now so am I! Paulette Velazquez -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0/248 - Release Date: 2/1/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn quartet with band
Check out Caught By The Horns, for horn quartet plus band, by Burton Hardin. URL for more information = http://www.hornplayer.net/archive/a299.html -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ At 09:20 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote: Our community band is playing The Four Hornsmen this winter. We were wondering if there is any other music for horn quartet with band accompaniment that would be suitable for a group such as ours, (a basic amateur I-haven't-played-since-high school community group.) Our director is a horn player and she is not familiar with anything along that line. Del Stein -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.25/247 - Release Date: 1/31/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] faxx mouthpiece equivalents
When the Conn Connstellation mouthpieces came out back in the late 1960s or early 1970s, there were 8 models in the line-up, all with stock gold plating... 9B-W 9B-N 7B-W 7B-N 5B-W 5B-N 3B-W 3B-N Though the difrerences were slight, Model 9 was the smallest Model 3 was the largest -- full symphonic bore, according to Conn. W designated wider rim; N, narrower. According to the Conn folks at the time, 7B-W approximated the old Conn 2. For a long time, I played 5B-W -- would have liked to try a 3B-W but never got hold of 1. (After 33 years or so on a 5B-W I switched to a Lawson mouthpiece, with outstanding results. But that's another story.) -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ At 07:05 AM 1/30/2006, you wrote: In a message dated 1/27/2006 7:54:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Conn #2 should not be hard to find, as it is the standard that Conn ships with its horns. Don't know anything about Faxx. -- I'll probably be proved wrong, but I was under the impression that the Conn 7BW and 5BW were what shipped with the various models, depending on the model. The Connstellation used to the be the 5BW, if memory serves. If they are shipping horns with the Conn 2, then it's a change from the recent past. Also, the Conn models recently became stamped CKB (short for Conn-King-Benge), and are made in Germany. I don't believe you can buy a new mouthpiece stamped Conn, anymore. Dave Weiner Maryland Band Orchestra Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/acole2%40cox.net -- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Actually I have a MB case
Whoa! I have a 6D worth less than that. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ The case is in very good shape and my asking price is $285 US +shipping. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Hornlist] worst piece of music!
But take care not to miss out on the Mark Hindsley concert band Till transcription, with the notes the rests where the composer put them without any baritone doubling. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ At 08:54 AM 12/21/2005, you wrote: In a message dated 12/21/2005 7:32:54 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But, then, you must have played the band transcription of Till Eulenspiegel's Merry Pranks in which the arranger put all the themes = back ON THE BEAT So far I have missed-out on that opportunity and, now that I am aware of it, will endeavor--vehemently--to continue thusly. And the low C is doubled in the baritone. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/acole2%40cox.net -- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR - A musical metaphor
Lots of folks think crescendo means loud. I don't think we'll ever get the
newsies to understand that crescendo means soft but growing loud.
What really gripes me is when the professional talkers ( even worse, the
professional writers) say write dumb stuff like, The crisis centers
around disaster preparedness. There is no center around. Center in,
center on, center at, center somwhere around (i.e., center somewhere near)
-- all OK. The center is smack in the middle. The center cannot be
around. To prove this right before your own eyes, draw a circle put a
dot in the center. The circle centers on that dot. The circle itself is
around that dot (i.e., around the center). The center is not around the
dot. The center is the dot. Sometimes the newsies say, The crisis
revolves around disaster preparedness. Good for them. But too often they
don't think just let out with centers around. Regular walking around
people need not be faulted for that, nor for saying crescendo when they
mean fortissimo. But the professional talkers professional writers
should be gigged good hard.
You can start worrying about me when I start talking back to the TV set.
-- Alan Cole, rank amateur
McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.
~~~
At 01:40 AM 12/15/2005, you wrote:
The headline in today's local newspaper sez: Campaigns reach crescendo
for Iraqis
What do you think of the notion of 'reach'ing a 'crescendo' in this context?
Very impressive - the metaphor is both musical and Italian - but in this
context, can you 'reach' a crescendo? In a musical reading the conductor
might cry out, Will the horns please remain pianissimo until we reach the
crescendo?, but in real life daily news, history hasn't happened yet -
there's no there there, no moment. Your life could reach a sforzando or a
caesura, or even a hemiola; but if you are experiencing a crescendo, what
have you reached?
Don't let this intrude on your practice time.
{ David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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Re: [Hornlist] worst piece of music!
Harvard. Not that there's anything wrong with that. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. Leroy Anderson was the band director at either Harvard or Yale. I can never remember. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 12/9/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Typewriter Song
It has been retitled The Word Processor Song. Audio effects for your PC are available on line at... http://www.colorpilot.com/home-typist.html -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ I much prefer his Typewriter song, but not enough to ever listen to it or learn to play the solo instrument. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/198 - Release Date: 12/12/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Leroy Anderson
Leroy Anderson did with musical notes what Norman Rockwell did with paints on canvas. Not that there is anything wrong with that. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 12/9/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Eximious Alexander
Dear Friends -- Well, what do you know? Now, if I didn't have such intimate familiarity with these Alexander 103 horns, I'd surely think the 1 in these pictures really had to be an authentic Eximious Clarino. Check out... http://cgi.ebay.com/Alexander-103-french-horn_W0QQitemZ7370751222QQcategoryZ16215QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ...or, if you prefer a more compact link, you can go to... http://tinyurl.com/b28t3 They've got a boatload of these over in the Far East, eh? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/186 - Release Date: 11/29/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Eximious Clarino
Dear Friends -- If I didn't know those Eximious Clarino horns so well, I'd swear the 1 in the pictures was really nothing more than a passable copy of an Alexander 103. Check out... http://cgi.ebay.com/eximious-clarino_W0QQitemZ7370528350QQcategoryZ16215QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ...or, if you prefer a more compact link, check out... http://tinyurl.com/9acrb -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/184 - Release Date: 11/27/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Match.Com News
http://nydailynews.com/11-19-2005/front/v-pfriendly/story/367167p-312443c.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: 11/18/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Match.Com News
Dear Friends --- If you haven't already guessed ( I'm sure you have), the link below was sent to the horn list 100% mistakenly in an error-filled attempt to send it to a friend of The Chief Of Staff who as it happens is into stuff like that. The Chief Of Staff I, by contrast, are not into Internet dating, in that we are already married (to each other) have been for 41 years. The trouble is that the friend's E-Mail address is right next to the horn list's E-Mail address on my list (drat it) I clicked on the wrong 1 -- kind of like accidentally pressing the buttons for D-natural when you really, really meant to push the buttons for D-sharp. So if you are annoyed by receiving such missent links, I apologize for the mistake. But on the other hand, if you find yourself interested in the possibilities, appreciate the serendipity, well then: You're Welcome. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ http://nydailynews.com/11-19-2005/front/v-pfriendly/story/367167p-312443c.html -- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: 11/18/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Hey, This Looks Pretty Much Like Alexander 103
It's only a Besson 408, but it has a strong resemblance to an Alexander 103, wouldn't you say? Check out... http://cgi.ebay.com/Besson-408-Double-French-Horn_W0QQitemZ7367763301QQcategoryZ16215QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem or, more compactly... http://tinyurl.com/7qvst -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: 11/18/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Cues
Where does it say the conductor isn't supposed to cue in sections by pointing? Some kind of indication that everybody is in the same place is plenty reassuring -- if not a conspicuous pointing motion, then at least a bit of eye contact, or a subtle alteration of baton motion, or a nod of the maestro's head, or the raising of the maestro's eyebrows, something. The audience is supposed to be surprised by sudden instrumental changes -- not the conductor or the instrumentalists. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ I always understood that it was poor concert etiquette for a conductor to point to sections as cues, yet in a recent concert the conductor was quite blatant in his cues. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 10/21/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Water key
The accumulation, while playing, of undrained water at the low spots in the tubing generates turbulence that's arguably worse than whatever turbulence-causing effects there might be from installing a water key. So if you're hankering for a water key on your horn, go for it. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County),Virginia, USA. At 06:29 PM 10/16/2005, you wrote: Dear all I have been thinking of installing a water key in my mouth pipe and my 3rd finger slide . The thing is - each and every horn maker describes endlessly how every tube is carefully designed in a way it won't make any turbulence . On the other hand ,water keys do appear in horn design .How come a hole in the tube wont Cose any turbulence , and is it safe to place a water key on the 3rd finger slide? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/acole2%40cox.net -- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.1/136 - Release Date: 10/15/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] OT: Notation of various transposing brass instruments now and then
Yep, acoustically trombones are B-flat instruments. Notationally, however, trombones are bass-clef sometimes tenor-clef concert-key instruments -- mostly. (Some ensembles still have parts written for B-flat treble-clef trombones, like the treble-clef euphonium parts you still see now then. Most trombonists I know would be completely buffaloed at the prospect of trying to play off 1 of those parts.) Ideally, good musicians should be able to play parts for instruments in any key any clef. The trombonist in my brass quintet, for example, plays 1 of the tunes in our book off a treble-clef horn in F part (2nd horn). Not many bone players I know can do that. However that may be, there are plenty of folks out there like me who have major serious trouble with transposition -- an embarrassing fundamental inadequacy for any horn player, even a rank amateur like me. The downside is I don't play orchestra much, because odd-key orchestral horn parts pop up so frequently it's such a struggle trying to figure out what note to play. By the time I figure it out, it's too late to play it. The upside is I don't have to spend so much rehearsal performance time counting l-o-n-g stretches of measures of rest so boringly prevalent in some of the classical repertoire. We concert band brass quintet horn players have our instruments on our faces practically all the time, from intro to coda. (That could be how come I built up Chops Of Steel, I don't know.) -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ At 07:25 PM 10/10/2005, you wrote: I confess to being confused - I was helping a friend's son practice his audition for the middle school jazz band on the trombone. I thought the trombone was a B-flat instrument, and so it turns out to be in terms of the overtone series it plays, but the part is notated at concert pitch. On the other hand, trumpet parts for B-flat instrument are notated as such, sounding a step below written pitch. Horn in F is the same way, sounding the appropriate interval below written pitch. So why is this student trombone part written at concert pitch and not in B-flat? Is this a relatively new development in brass pedagogy, anything specific to the trombone, or perhaps to jazz/pop charts? I looked at the student's method book and it, too, is all in concert pitch. Thanks in advance for a bit of an eduation here - I have not seen a score to the piece, only the individual parts for trumpet and trombone (and I'm quite sure the trombone part is written at concert pitch). -S- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/127 - Release Date: 10/10/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] laquered vs.unlaquered
If you can't hear a difference, the audience can't, the conductor can't, your section colleagues can't, and the differences (such as they are, if any) between the sounds coming out of lacquered unlacquered horns are so tiny as to be detectable only by highly sensistive electronic instrumentation, then as a practical matter there is virtually no difference. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Nada. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ At 01:24 PM 10/9/2005, you wrote: I wonder if taking laquer off the instrument realy contributes to its sound . can anyone (horn builders and repair techs especialy , but realy -anyone ) tell me? Alon Reuven , Israel -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Ever Heard of This Make?
The eBay seller may be unfamiliar with those instruments. They are products of the York instrument company you have to be a Dork to play 1. I claim accuracy for the 2nd part of that statement on the basis of tooting 1 in 6th 7th grades in the Oak Street School Band the Falls Church Schools Area Band the Troop 140 Boy Scout band. When I got to 8th grade, the teacher wouldn't let me play in the band unless I put away the York alto horn took up 1 of their Conn 6Ds instead. The rest is history. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ At 02:27 PM 10/7/2005, you wrote: Now, any further informations on this? _Click here: eBay: Rare Dork Sons French Horn, Silver, Grand Rapids (item 7356366723 end time Oct-12-05 10:47:20 PDT)_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Dork-Sons-French-Horn-Silver-Grand-Rapids_W0QQitemZ7356366723QQcategoryZ16215QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem) Kindestest of Greetonings and Mostestest of Typographicals, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Exit 2 Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Assistant Associate Principal Mellophone, NJ Turnpike Authority Drum and Bugle Corps, The Phantom Lane Changers Hornist as Needed, L'Ensemble du Chambre des Palourdes Principal Natural Horn, I Soloisti di Feces Principal Baroque and Hunting Horn, Camarata Vongoleforte Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn and Pest Control, Exit 2 Community College, Exit 2, NJ Author, The Kopprasch Connection, Kopprasch for Fun and Profit, Kopprasch for the New Millenium: Where Do you Fit In? Hooked on Hornonics, and What If Saddam Had Given Ouday and Qusay Olds Ambassador or Conn Pan American Single F Horns and a Kopprasch Book Instead of AK 47's, Booze and Porn? Founder, Director and CEO, Universal Institute for the Study, Preservation and Dissemination of Kopprasch Throughout the Solar System Founder and Guru Extraordinaire, Hornaholics Anonymous Grand Poobah of the Koppraschian Kult Director and Program Manager, The All Kopprasch Channel (AKC), Kopprasch Public Radio (KPR) Host of The Kopprasch Factor on AKC and All Kopprasch Considered on KPR Founder of Kopprasch Depot, your one stop shop for all you need! Interplanetarily Known Soloist and Artist of Record Exclusive Bundy, Carl Fischer, Olds Ambassador, Sansone and Conn Artist Who Does Not Get His Horns For Free Phone: yes Fax: yes E-mail: yes Website: no Kopprasch is no mistake. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Free Music Paper
http://www.lib.virginia.edu/dmmc/Music/Musicpaper/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Broken Horn
Dear Friends --- In this world there are but 3 things I can do expertly: (1) Load the dishwasher with dirty dishes. (2) Stick that nasty little left-over sliver of almost used-up soap onto a brand-new bar of soap. (Waste not, want not.) (3) Repair, overhaul, rebuild Whirlpool Sears Kenmore electric gas clothes dryers. (Most of my dryer repairs rebuilds are mere parts replacements -- not actual repairs in the sense of fixing something that's truly broken, but never mind. The thing is knowing what part to replace, how to get at it, where to get the replacement part, how to install the replacement part, how to put everything back together good as new.) However that may be, I would no more try to fix my own out-of-commission horns than I would try to do my own brain surgery. Some things should be left to those who know what they're doing in my book fixing horns is high up in that category. Hats off to all the do-if-yourself horn fixers out there. But my real thanks appreciation are reserved for the professionals who know how to undo dents re-do valves all that other stuff it takes to make it possible for the rest of us to pucker up blow. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ I trust that most of the players on this list have the sensibility to know who to trust and who to avoid when it comes to repair suggestions. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.8/114 - Release Date: 9/28/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpieces and Horn Balance
Forget about adding weight. Instead, to lighten the load, how about a few strategically tied helium balloons? -- Alan Cole, rank, amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ I'd like ideas on what I could do to add a little bit of weight to balance my horn. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.8/114 - Release Date: 9/28/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpieces and Horn Balance
...or get a Pip Stick. Check out... http://www.pyp.f2s.com/html/pipstick.htm -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ As to the weight thing, I think it is not very important. You HOLD the horn in playing position. Adding weight to it would increase your fatigue. Perhaps you need to grow 2 or 3 inches taller. That would shift the angle a little and make it feel more balanced for you. Or let the bell get off the thigh and fall a bit lower and farther to your right; that could shift it a little since you aren't likely to grow any more. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.8/114 - Release Date: 9/28/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpieces and Horn Balance
The guy who came up with the Pip Stick also advises putting an 8-degree bend in the mouthpiece. Check out... http://freespace.virgin.net/pip.eastop/html/bent_mouthpiece.htm -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ By the way, my business partner in my Brass Quintet, who is Principal Trumpet, had the shank bent on his Schilke Trumpet Mouthpiece, so I have heard of others doing this. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.8/114 - Release Date: 9/28/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] bell tail
Patch it. -AC. ~~ At 10:10 PM 9/19/2005, you wrote: Dear Listers, My son has my Paxman Model 20L made in 1980. He has worn through the bell tail again requiring another patch where his hand enters the bell. I have the option of installing a new bell tail (spout), however Paxman changed the taper of the bell tail so the new L is slightly smaller than the old style. This is a magnificent horn. I, personally, have never played a better one. Should I continue to have the bell tail patched, or should I spring for the new bell tail? CORdially, Luke Zyla 2nd horn, WV Symphony Orchestra www.wvsymphony.org ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/acole2%40cox.net -- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.2/105 - Release Date: 9/19/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Band music....
Guy Duker did the arrangement. It's outstanding. Check out... http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=2217 -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ At 06:05 PM 9/3/2005, you wrote: We played someone's arrangement of Pines of Rome a while ago that must have been pretty darned faithful, then. 3rd horn part had 3.5 octave range from low F# to b2, if I recall correctly. Challenging piece, but loads of fun. John Baumgart - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 9/2/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] advice,please
Sounds like rough scheduling, but if you've got chops of steel (handy to have) then it shouldn't make much difference as a practical matter. A couple of years ago I accidentally got myself signed up for back-to-back Christmas season brass quintet gigs with 2 different quintets that just happened to both have the same horn player -- me. The gig that was supposed to be on Saturday turned out actually to be on Sunday, right ahead of the gig that was already set for Sunday. So it goes. Midway through the 2nd quintet gig, with my face starting to feel the strain, between tunes I said something to my colleagues about the bad scheduling, adding, Fortunately, I have chops of steel. At that, our tuba player (the guy who calls the tunes) said, OK, Mr. Chops Of Steel, how about Le Basque as our next number? I said OK we lit into Le Basque. Later on we added another arrangement of Le Basque to our quintet book, featuring tuba on the solo line, with horn, bone trumpets playing boom-chick. So far, however, the only version we perform is the horn-feature version. BTW, whenever our large-ensemble conductor schedules a rehearsal-type event right before a performance, he's careful to refer to it as a sound check rather than a rehearsal. But what's in a name anyway? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur. McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ At 02:11 PM 8/15/2005, you wrote: Very hot greetings from Florida! I have a question and need some input. I've played first chair for 8-9 years in a community orchestra. Last year we got a new conductor who instituted a schedule whereby we are to rehearse the day of a concert. Concert is at 3, rehearsal from 1-2pm,though it often runs to 2:30pm. Very rough on the lip even though I try to take it easy and save best efforts for actual concert. To me this is very unprofessional,as I think the time to learn what we need to know is at the four regular weekly rehearsals. Any thoughts? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9/72 - Release Date: 8/14/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Whoa! Screwbell Mellophone!
Not in good condition, but still just about the cutest little fake French horn I've ever seen. Check out... http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-Frank-Holton-Collegiate-Hat-Box-Mellophone-N-R_W0QQitemZ7339746046QQcategoryZ16215QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] unnatural
Straight, tapered, combination -- none of it's unnatural, right? That is, each arrangement responds naturally in its own way to the laws of acoustics -- blow certain ways into the upstream end various corresponding musical sounds come out the downstream end. You could look it up. Or, as Ella Fitzgerald put it,... I blow thru here The music goes 'round around Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho And it comes out here. I push the first valve down The music goes down around Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho And it comes out here. I push the middle valve down The music goes down around below Below, below, deedle-dee-ho-ho-ho Listen to the jazz come out. I push the other valve down The music goes 'round around Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho And it comes out here. What could be more natural than that? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ At 01:54 PM 7/10/2005, you wrote: The naturalness of a horn come from the smoothness of its conical shape. The more valves and slides there are the more straight and therefore nonconicalness to the horn I must snipe here and say that, as far as I've been able to read, straight-section tubing in the horn did NOT originate with valved horns. Before valved horns, this centrally-located cylindrical tubing was found to add stability to the pitch, and was used as such. Read Pizka's and Pelletier's (spelling?) websites for history and more details. Since I wasn't invented 'til 1954, I can't claim first-hand knowledge of this, so I could be wrong. If I am, it'd be the second time in less than 50-years. I'm slipping! jrc -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/45 - Release Date: 7/9/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Almost horn related
I have removed the bell from my horn... ...just to facilitate putting it back in its case. I'm putting the bell on the horn again next time I'm getting ready to play it. With luck, that won't attract any mountain lions, coyotes, cats, birds, or terrorists. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ That's why I removed the bell from my bicycle. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 7/8/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Peace ...
Hey, if you think I am an ignoramus on horn-related musical stuff, just wait till you hear my cogent analysis of national world events. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. Please don't spam this list with political discussions - this is a horn list. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Warning - Horn Related 4th Horn Solo Beethoven's 9th
I've never understood what it is about valves that's considered so unnatural. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ At 04:06 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote: Before the row about natural and valves starts, can I say that two weeks ago we performed Beethoven 9 on natural horns - the 4th solo was played excellently on natural horn by the 4th horn, Dan Coghill. (who is English). All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg _http://lawrenceyates.co.uk_ (http://lawrenceyates.co.uk/) Dulcian Wind Quintet: _http://dulcianwind.co.uk_ (http://dulcianwind.co.uk/) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Rock Roll Keyboard Player...
...who once played horn, then traded in his Yamaha YHR-666 on a non-Yamaha electronic keyboard instrument --- http://members.cox.net/acole2/cole.bmp So it goes. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 7/1/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] (no subject)
...or the eBay item number. -AC. ~~~ At 10:37 PM 7/2/2005, you wrote: You could start by posting the exact URL for your horn. Original Message: - From: Jeanie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 20:40:01 -0400 I'd appreciate help getting the word out if anyone knows of someone shopping Geyer-wrap horns. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 7/1/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Coins as lever extensions, formerly HR
1. Adds thickness to valve levers that have worn down thin -- prevents such wear on newer valve levers. 2. Provides for lengthening the levers to accommodate players with shortish fingers. 3. Gives a tactile reminder to keep the fingers appropriately arched so that the balls of the fingers are in contact with the wide parts of the valve levers. 4. Silver coins on the valve levers are w-a-a-a-a-y cool ! BTW, I always thought the de riguer part was using older coins of genuine silver (staying away from those newer, base-metal coins). If so, that pretty much rules out using USA coins dated the same as the year the horn was made, except for pre-1964 horns. Also, the way I heard it is that the date on the coins is supposed to match the birth-year of the horn player -- which also rules out USA silver coins except for folks already well into middle-age beyond. I am not familiar with Liberty Head dimes; don't the USA horn folks usually go for Mercury dimes? (Might be 2 different names for the same thing, I don't know.) However that may be, any way you shake it silver coins are way cooler than those sissy concave finger buttons -- at least among the rank amateur horn crowd. (Don't know about the professionals, though.) -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ At 01:20 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote: What is the purpose of these coins? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.11/26 - Release Date: 6/22/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Coins as lever extensions, formerly HR
Hey, we got'm -- no problem. Don't know how God feels about it, but plenty of the old silver dimes are still around. Check out eBay. Check out coin shops you can find listed in the Yellow Pages. Shucks, check out the Florida flea markets. Though no longer in circulation, silver dimes are plentiful not all that expensive -- I mean the ones maybe not pristine enough for coin collectors but still plenty nice enough for horn levers -- at least for rank amateur horn players. (Don't know about the professionals -- they might think silver coins on horn valve levers are a terrible affectation -- a sure sign of bad taste the rankest amateurism.) Full disclosure: I had silver dimes professionally soldered onto the 1-2-3 valve levers of my eBay horns (e.g., oddball Lehmann-style compensating horn by Josef Lidl, no-name copy of Alexander 102ST, Yamaha YHR-668N, etc.), but not my non-eBay horns (Alexander 103, Lawson 804). -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ If God had meant us to attach coins to our valve levers we would still have silver dimes. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.11/26 - Release Date: 6/22/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Coins (NHR)
Hey, USA dimes work great as touch-pieces on horn valve-levers. That makes me wonder -- do tuba players ever use USA quarters as touch-pieces on the valve-levers of rotary-valve tubas? If so, I know why. But if not, why not? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ And if you attach nickels to your valve levers, then horns have bison. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.10/25 - Release Date: 6/21/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Rank Amateurs Playing Horn
Visual evidence is on the Internet at... http://members.cox.net/acole2/RoyAlan.jpg I'm the 1 on the right playing an Alexander 103. The guy on the left playing a Kruspe-style Atkinson horn is Roy Burgess (who -- no surprise -- plays rings around me). Roy is also president of the City Of Fairfax Band, which you can check out on the Internet at... http://www.fairfaxband.org/ -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.10/25 - Release Date: 6/21/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Instructiona Methods
Well, the teachers could play the pieces for the students to listen to learn from -- in doing so reinforce their credibility with the students, in addition to providing instructive examples of how the pieces should be played. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. At 05:29 PM 6/17/2005, you wrote: One technique used by many instructors working with students on solo pieces is to have them listen to a recording of the work. Since having access to a large volume of recorded work for horn is a relatively new development, what did folks do before they could pick up a CD of the piece they were working on? Has the access to recordings had a positive or negative impact on the learning process? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.3/15 - Release Date: 6/14/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Fw: [horn] Lincoln Center Concert
Not only that, around here the 2 main public radio stations dropped music, went to all-talk, spent much of their hard-begged money duplicating each other's programming. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ NPR/PBS dug its own grave. It set out to target a certain segment of the political spectrum. The power base shifted and they back the wrong horse. It's time to pay up. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.3/15 - Release Date: 6/14/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] PBS (NHR) (was Lincoln Center Concert)
An interesting well written perspective along those lines can be viewed on the Internet at... http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110006824 -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ At 11:34 AM 6/16/2005, you wrote: I agree that our local NPR radio stations seem a bit off-center, politically. But have seen no evidence of that on PBS television. Regarding your 'power base' statements, do you believe that programming/direction on public broadcasting should reflect the philosophies of who happens to have political power at any particular time? Fred Bill Gross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NPR/PBS dug its own grave. It set out to target a certain segment of the political spectrum. The power base shifted and they back the wrong horse. It's time to pay up. - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.3/15 - Release Date: 6/14/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn disposal
eBay -- Alan Cole, rank amateur ( eBay hobbyist) McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. I also have a student level double horn that I'd like to sell. Any suggestions as to the best way to do this? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.3/15 - Release Date: 6/14/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] For the repairpeople
There's no reason for it. It's just policy. --- or, in the alternative --- Tradition. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ Just out of personal curiosity, why did it take so long for spit valves to be incorporated in Horn design? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Stupid Brass Tricks
Double-tonguing. Triple-tonguing. Doodle-tonguing. Flutter-tonguing. Growling. Double-stopping. Circular breathing. Note-bending. Half-valving. Any others that I don't know about? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Dbl tonguing
Hey, lip-trilling! That's 1 of the stupid brass tricks I meant to list -- also lip-shaking. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ It's not easy and I hated doing it, but learning to dbl, trp tonguing and trilling were relatively easy as I learned the requisite tongue techniquites. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Double tonguing
Practice, practice, practice. Ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka, so forth. It's OK to start doing all that ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka business kind of slow. Speed will come with familiarity familiarity will come with much practice. Some players are inhibited somewhat by the rattling, clattering sound they think they hear inside their heads when they do double-tonguing. I asked my teacher about that. He said to pay it no attention -- I'm hearing that racket from inside my head, he explained, not from anything coming out of the horn, so nobody hears it but me. Once I was confident about that, I could go ahead articulate ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka-ticka with great abandon. There's not much about horn playing I'm any good at, but as it turns out I am adept at double-tonguing semi-adept at triple-tonguing. Triple-tonguing works pretty much the same way, except instead of ticka-ticka-ticka, etc., its more like... Tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttakav-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttakav-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka-tuttaka, etc. Some people prefer doing a variation of that --- Tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata-tukkata, so on. Either way -- tuttaka or tukkata -- is OK. As a practical matter, you might find it advantageous to pick 1 way of doing it stick with it. Otherwise it's too easy to get confused. As with getting good at double-tonguing, you start slow, keep at it, find that with much repetition you'll be able to go faster. It helps also to do double- triple-tonguing (as appropriate) even when you don't need to -- as when you could easily single-tongue the notes in the particular passage you're playing. You use multiple-tonguing just to get used to it, to get so you can do it cleanly up down the scale, in arpeggios, various note-groupings, etc., not limit your multiple-tonguing execution to strings of notes all on the same pitch. Good luck with it, above all have fun with it. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ At 09:20 PM 6/12/2005, you wrote: Hello everyone, As I haven't received much list mail recently, I will go ahead and ask an amateur question. I have been trying to learn double tonguing the past few months, but I am running into multiple problems. For starters, I can only double tongue one 'group' of notes at a time (one tuh'kah). I can't make myself do a string of double tonguing for any length. Secondly, I can't seem to start right off on a double tongue. For example, I can play and eighth note then two sixteenths, but if I try to play two sixteenths and then an eighth note my tongue messes up and I end up playing a extra unwanted note before the double tongue. Thanks in advance for any tips or advice; I really want to master this! 'Pilot Al' -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Historic Oddball Horn On eBay
OK, there have been several horns of this pattern on eBay, mainly by Josef Lidl (Brno), but here's 1 that appears to be the real deal, the original, by Karl Lehmann (Berlin). Check out... http://tinyurl.com/8slfs (For those of you in Rio Linda, the full link is... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=16215item=7328666577rd=1 ) -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.4 - Release Date: 6/6/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Historic Oddball Horn On eBay
My point exactly. -AC. Not very odd as it was Lehmann, who invented the compensating double horn with the long 4 story central rotor, the Walzenhorn. Klaus -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.4 - Release Date: 6/6/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] the natural horn
Hey, with all the money you save by not needing to buy rotary valve oil, you can commission some famous composer to write something for natural horn or conch shell or shofar. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ At 08:06 AM 6/6/2005, you wrote: How about more work for the Shofar? A composer could start his work and when he's completed his first movement could announce, well, shofari so goody. Hey, it's Monday that's my excuse. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.2 - Release Date: 6/4/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] the natural horn
Shucks, wouldn't surprise me 1 bit to learn the animal husbandry geniuses down at Texas AM -- if they wanted to -- could turn out herds of the appropriate variety of the proper species that collectively grow complete sets of shofar-ready appendages in a range of sizes that provide for making an accurately tuned complete set, fully chromatic in the aggregate. Wouldn't that be a hoot? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ At 10:17 AM 6/6/2005, you wrote: Slightly off-topic now on shofars and not horns, but Steve, are different shofarot tuned the same? I know next to nothing about them but since they are not made in the sense a horn is, I imagine getting four of them in tune with each other might not be a simple thing? I guess the shofar maker could continual test the instrument and gradually shorten it until it gets to the right fundamental, but I imagine the overtones would be different among four shofars of the same fundamental as well. In other words, if you could talk a bit more about what you know of classical composition for the shofar, at least this one list member would find it very interesting from a technical point of view. -S- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.2 - Release Date: 6/4/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] the natural horn
Well, that's just a matter of articulation, is it not? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ At 10:46 AM 6/6/2005, you wrote: It's a mind boggling idea. Though I think it would be a toot, not a hoot. - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.2 - Release Date: 6/4/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Officer Gentleman
Shoulda been a Warrant Officer. Officer? Yes. Gentleman? No. The best of both worlds, is it not? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur ( former E-5, way back a l-o-n-g time ago) McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. At 02:21 PM 6/4/2005, you wrote: William B offered Cabbage..Sometimes you go to far. A gentleman does not use a nom de plume to issue insults. * However, physics professors use them all the time. Gotta go, Prof. Cabbage, PhD ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/acole2%40cox.net -- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.1 - Release Date: 6/3/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Officer Gentleman
Hey, I'm just saying it the way I heard it. And if it's true, then the folks over at WOPA would be proud to affirm it, no? -- Alan Cole, ex-E5 McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ Be careful, you don't want to get W.O.P.A. after you. (Warrant OfficersProtective Association.) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.1 - Release Date: 6/3/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures
Well, sure. And I almost always hold my horn in my lap whenever I'm counting measures. (Isn't that how the professionals do it too?) Plus, did you note the goofy facial expression signifying rapt concentration, essential to the task? How could even a top conservatory-trained professional look any more goofily rapt than that? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ At 04:25 PM 5/24/2005, you wrote: OK, I'll bite; what are we looking at that is significant? A photo of A. Cole? All I see is a guy holding a horn in his lap. Paul Mansur -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Counting Rank Measures but seriously
Not so. In fact, the opposite is true. It is in the pro music ranks that you have to put up with incompetence tyranny from the podium, because quitting under those circumstances means giving up your paycheck. While the tyranical incompetent waving the stick warns you not to let the door smack you in the rump on your way out, a boatload of highly qualified conservatory graduates line up clear around the block waiting for their turn at the auditions held to pick your replacement. The amateurs dilettantes, however, being economically independent of their positions in the ensemble, can just up quit any time there's a tyrannical incompetent up front -- or any other kind of incompetent up there, or any other kind of tyrant for that matter. The amateurs dilettantes sit there play the tunes ( count the measures) because they want to, not because they've got to -- the best of both worlds, no? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ I can imagine, how the many good hobby-musicians suffer under more or less tyrranic but incompetent rulers. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] quintets
I can never be sure, of course, but I suspect that sooner or later everybody who ever blows a spitvalve winds up playing Die Bankelsangerlieder. And why not? It's a great tune. Die Bankelsangerlieder is listed as anonymous in some catalogs -- but didn't the musicalologists figure out who the composer is? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ We play a lot of Mouret Rondeau and Sonata from Die Bankelsangerlieder. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 5/20/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures
It's not a pretty sight, but here it is... http://pstr-m01.ygpweb.aol.com/data/014/5A/03/62/24/6I-Ie-PhNcbcu99KUjfft4r0Kp0uXfuf0180.jpghttp://pstr-m01.ygpweb.aol.com/data/014/5A/03/62/24/6I-Ie-PhNcbcu99KUjfft4r0Kp0uXfuf0180.jpg -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 5/20/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Rank Amateur Counting Measures
OK, try it this way... http://members.cox.net/acole2/AAC-count.jpg (no screen name, no password, no folderol) -AC. ~ Screen Name: Password: ??? Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 5/20/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 29, Issue 23
It's OK to play horn by sucking air in backwards through a tuba mouthpiece while standing up in a hammock if that's how you like doing it. Fortunately, as it happens, there are other easier more effective ways, once you learn how, those better ways are what the good horn teachers out there are trying to get us to do. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ Arnold Jacobs told me the same thing and I remember him sitting there with a horn mouthpiece and putting it on his lips in different places and buzzing away. Of course he got notes out because his lips were lined up nicely and he could buzz very well without a mouthpiece, even though he discouraged that. He even had me play while I was sucking in on the horn. This was to show that blowing hard really isn't that important- you can play just as loud sucking in as blowing out. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 5/17/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Shostakovich - Symphony No. 5, op. 47
I have that problem sometimes when I'm playing horn. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ My thoughts move at a different rate than my fingers do and they don't always line up properly -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 5/17/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Canadian Brass
Everybody who plays brass quintet gigs owes a debt of gratitude to The Canadian Brass for popularizing music for tuba, horn, trombone, 2 trumpets together. Before The Canadian Brass, brass quintet music pretty much meant canzonas Gabrieli the Robert King Catalog -- lots of tunes, but not much stylistic variety. Now there are loads of great brass quintet arrangements in plenty of different styles of music that audiences actually like to hear. Yay Canadian Brass ! -- Alan Cole, rank amateur ( Potomac Brass Quintet [of Virginia] member) McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. At 11:39 AM 5/16/2005, you wrote: http://www.canadianbrass.com and click on Concert Calendar. I found this: May 22 Birmingham, MI First United Methodist Church and there's a link for more info. -S- - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 5/13/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Canadian Brass
Who could forget them? Or the Epic Brass? Or the Chestnut Brass Company? Or the Monumental Brass? Or The Make Believe Brass? Or Guy Touvron? Even so, in the world of brass quintets, there's The Canadian Brass there's everybody else, no? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ Don't forget The Empire Brass -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 5/13/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Alexander Horn restoration
I have no doubt that all 4 shops are top notch. I wouldn't hesitate at commissioning any of them do to an end-to-end Alexander 103 restoration. That goes for the Patterson horn works out in L.A. the Atkinson folks in Burbank as well. As it turns out, the only Alexander 103 restoration project with which I have direct experience is the extremely successful restoration-modification job done on my circa-1958 Alexander 103 by Lawson Brass Instruments of Boonsboro, Maryland, USA -- http://www.lawsonhorns.com/ That was close to 20 years ago the horn still plays better than new -- way better. The restoration consisted of plating refitting the rotors, plus extensive dent repair correction of the misaligned central valve-tube midsection of the horn, a defect caused by broken solder joints in some critical places -- a common problem with those horns, according to Mr. Lawson, who said he's seen plenty of'm broken that same way -- even had 1 like that himself. (The solder-break problem some of the dents could be the result of using 1 of those minimally protective typical Alexander upside-down hardened-cardboard horn cases, I suspect.) Modifications were replacement of the stock leadpipe (which was shot anyway) with a custom made Lawson leadpipe, slight lengthening of the main tuning slide (about 1 inch), screw bell conversion, installation of a Lawson ambronze bell flare sized to fit the 1958 Alexander (i.e, somewhat smaller than a Lawson bell made to fit a Lawson horn, but with a compatible screw ring). And not only that, I replaced the original Alexander instrument case -- basically just the functional equivalent of a hardened gig bag -- with a highly protective custom-fit flat case, complete with blue nylon zipper raincoat-style case cover. The only thing I didn't get done was replacement of the original set of 1-piece 1-2-3 valve levers with a set of articulated valve levers like the ones on Yamaha Lawson horns, no doubt certain others, that hinge right there at the right angle in back. Also, for some reason I'm not able to explain I didn't want the Alexander 103 valve levers adorned with silver coins, either, even though I've had'm soldered onto several other horns in the years since. (Feel free to E-Mail me on- or off-list for my 4 good reasons to have silver coins installed as touchpieces on horn valve levers.) Results of the Lawson restoration modification of the old Alexander 103 were -- are -- so successful that after a few years the devil made me spring for a (used) Lawson 804 that's now my main horn (although the restored Lawson-Alex is a close 2nd). I was surprised to find a Lawson 804 on the used market. That is, those horns play so well sound so good -- why would any horn player who owns 1 ever let it go? In this case it turns out the original owner of my used Lawson 804 in effect traded it in on a different Lawson model. For horn players of minimal talent incomplete training -- i.e., like me -- a real nice thing about using a high-quality professional instrument in top condition is the secure knowledge that any performance problems I encounter are due to my own inadequacies not those of the horn. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. At 10:56 AM 5/14/2005, you wrote: Hello! I am considering several shops to restore an Alexander 103 I found at a local middle school, any experiences (both positive and negative) with these shops would be very helpful in determining where to send it to. The shops I am considering are: Osmun Lawson Ken Pope repair and Dan Oberloh wind repair up in Seattle If any of you can recommend shop and give me your experiences with them, I would be most grateful. Thanks Paul R. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 5/13/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Canadian Brass
Has there been lots of turnover in the horn position with that group or what? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ At 10:16 PM 5/14/2005, you wrote: The Canadian Brass will, apparently, be playing in a church in Michigan, near me next week. The picture on the ad I saw has Jeff Nelson as the horn player. Since Bernhard Scully won the position, will he or Jeff be playing on that concert? ~Mara -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 5/13/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] I can't bear it...
Hey, miniaturized Timken tapered roller-bearings for rotary-valve horns! http://www.timken.com/ Wouldn't that be an innovation? How long before the folks over at the Finke horn works come out with something like that? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. Not all bearings are spherical. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 29, Issue 14
Can't afford it? Shucks, even if it's $20 a tube, how much of the stuff does it take to slicken up your horn slides now then? On my teacher's recommendation (back in 1956), I've been using gun grease on my horn slides. Works great, just as Julia H. said. Check out... http://www.silencio.com/htfiles/chemicals.html The little 4-oz. tin can of R-I-G rust-inibiting gun grease I bought way back then is nearly empty, so I bought a new more convenient little squeeze-tube container of it a couple of years ago that I suspect will be enough to take care of all my personal horn slides plus all my eBay horn slides till eventually I lose interest or assume room temperature, whichever comes 1st -- I'm talking lifetime supply here, for about $5. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ At 08:57 AM 5/13/2005, you wrote: Something that's more expensive in the slide grease area is bolt grease for rifles. My father participates in rifle competitions around the country and I needed some slide grease pretty despretly once, so he let me use his bolt grease. It worked pretty amazingly. If I could afford it all the time I'd use that instead of regular slide grease. It's non-corrosive and beautiful J -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Dirty Valve Story
Holton E. Schmid the rest could just make the rotors casings of corrosion-resistant alloys, no? Way too simple, eh? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ At 01:42 PM 5/13/2005, you wrote: With all the talk of dirty, gummed up valves, I thought I'd share my personal experience of another cause of gummed valves. I was lucky enough to witness a demonstration of taking apart a rotary valve from Bob Osmun several years ago. I decided it didn't seem too hard, so I took apart my Holton 177 to see how dirty the valves were. I hadn't had any work done on the horn in more than 15 years and I'm not all that great at cleaning the instrument- once a year if it's lucky. To my surprise the valves were spotless. I oil the rotor bearings daily but never put oil inside the horn. Then I bought my E. Schmid the following year. Within a single year, the 3rd valve and descant valve was getting sticky. I took it into the shop (I don't do my own valve work with the Schmid) and to my bewilderment, the valves were completely filthy- green and nasty! They cleaned it out and it was working fine. About 18 months later, they started getting sticky again. I thought maybe it was due to different metals used in the horn, etc. I used the same oil and followed the same procedures as my other horn- other than I cleaned it more often! I think I finally realized the problem. My fancy new Marcus Bonna Travel case stores the instrument with the valves DOWN. This means that all the moisture that I don't get out of the horn ends up gathering right where you don't want it to be. My ancient Holton case stores it with the slides down at an angle- any moisture would drain in the slides rather than the valves. So now, I keep the Bonna case on it's side rather than upright. I'll let everyone know in a couple of years if my theory is correct. John Wunderlin -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Decongestants' impact on horn playing
OK, here's a semi-related puzzler. How come, when you're playing horn, even when you have a cold or sore throat or allergies or the sniffles, you don't have to cough or sneeze or blow your nose, even while sitting there counting measures of rest? What a strange phenomenon -- that playing horn provides 100% natural nonchemical temporary symptomatic relief. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. At 09:35 AM 5/12/2005, you wrote: Claritin actually makes my playing worse. My constant nasel drip becomes a thick mucus. Great topic, right? Sorry about the decongestant/antihistamine mix up. Wilbert -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Oils, greases, valves, and slides
Home brew valve oil is pretty good -- cheap, too. Just add 1 pint of light machine oil to 1 gallon of clear kerosene. Blend thoroughly. Apply liberally. The stuff is highly aromatic -- smells like Victory. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ At 11:16 PM 5/12/2005, you wrote: Al Cass in the valves. No, no. Al Cass makes the valves sluggish and sticky unless they are so loose that nothing can make them sticky. Very bad for the valves. Better is Blue Juice and even better is Hetman. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:26 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Oils, greases, valves, and slides Hi, I use: Al Cass in the valves. Singer Sewing Machine Oil on the valve bearings and linkage. Selmer Slide and Cork Grease (the pink stuff) on the slides. All three work well, taste great, and are less filling. Gary -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Outstanding Horn Ensemble CD On eBay
Check out... http://tinyurl.com/9xn53 Especially outstanding is this cut: Bernhard Krol (b. 1920), Ballade Notre Père des Chasseurs für 8 Hörner, Op. 73. [The Huntsmen's Lord's Prayer] -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Wagner tuba question
There's a nice CD out there with some mighty fine Wagner tuba playing on it. Check out The London Horn Sound... http://tinyurl.com/8hfzm Several cuts (but not all) include Wagner tuba players in the ensemble. Outstanding! -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. At 02:52 PM 5/4/2005, you wrote: I am in search of a list of all of the repertoire that uses Wagner tubas. Do you have any information on this? Thanks! Liz Sievert -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.3 - Release Date: 5/3/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: slow air
It's not just the speed of the bow but how lightly or heavily the bow presses against the string as the horsehair rubs the catgut. As my old horn teacher used to say, The motion of the air into the horn is like the movement of the violinist's bow across the strings. More air! His short version of that was, More air -- always, More air! (Not necessarily faster air, not necessarily higher air pressure, but larger volume of air -- i.e., more air.) Regardless of whether there is any accuracy, in physics or acoustics, to the analogy of air bow, the idea is helpful in performance nevertheless. More air! -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. For a string player, doesn't the speed of the bow matter? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: Cryogenicall Frozen horn
Dear Friends, I don't know the identity of the mystery E-Mailer I have no dog in this particular fight. Still all, I believe it's possible Mr. or Ms. Voice was just poking fun (as folks do on this list sometimes) rather than attacking integrity -- pretty much like pointing out that Walt Disney would spare no expense in the pursuit of making money. However that may be (or possibly may not be), I strongly suspect (on the basis of no analysis zero experience) that it would be advisable for most of us who are in operational contact with brass instruments to spend more time practicing them less money freezing them. If I'm wrong, it's not for the 1st time. In my case, I'm guessing the tangible benefit I would get from cryogenic treatment of my horn would be about the same as the tangible benefit I would get from taking a couple of ibuprofen tablets before a performance, I don't know. The main thing about cryogenic treatment I don't understand is whether it can be reversed. That is, suppose I have my Josef Lidl compensating double horn or my Holton Farkas Model full double horn treated cryogenically after the treatment I decide the horn plays worse than before the treatment. How do I get the cryogenic treatment undone? Heating beyond a certain point would melt the solder, no? I'm guessing that nothing can be done to reverse cryogenic treatment of brass instruments. If I have my horn frozen don't like the result, all I can do is sell off the treated horn buy an untreated replacement. Then again, when I list the treated horn on eBay, I can sing the praises of its cryogenic enhancement to bid up the price. And despite the fact I have no dog in the cryogenics fight, I do have experience with Osmun Brass -- positive experience. Years ago I bought 1 of their close-out Yamaha YHR-666 horns for $1,050 brand new. Great horn. Great deal. Shucks, they're going for more than that nowadays after 20+ years of use -- when you can even find 1 at all (they're becoming semi-rare). I gave the horn to my then-teenage son, who gave up horn after a couple of years sold the YHR-666 (for more than Osmun Brass charged for it new) used the proceeds to buy a rock roll electronic keyboard instrument. So it goes. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ I feel I need to respond to the comments made by THE VOICE regarding cryogenic processing. His unsupported remarks are a direct attack on my integrity and have no place on this list. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Cryogenics
Ibuprofen is lots cheaper. -AC. My feeling is that if someone gives me their horn, and $300.00 (or whatever it costs) - their horn will play differently. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] I'm Too Nervous
Dear Friends --- The following is a Horn List encore presentation from 9-22-2001, retrieved from the archives once again because of relevance to a related question posed recently on The Horn List: * * * * * * * * * ** * * * * Lorraine Friends: Performance nervousness that shakes your sound is a Catch-22 problem. The antidote is confidence. But fear that you might sound shaky is a guaranteed confidence-buster. (That is, if you're afraid you'll sound quivery, you probably will.) To break the vicious circle, you need to gain the confidence that comes with playing so frequently under the pressure of performance conditions that you simply get used to it the fear diminishes or goes away. Over time, you build the confidence that only comes from having already played steadily repeatedly under real-time performance pressure. How do you get that kind of confidence when your performance anxiety is already feeding on itself? First, you promise yourself that if you're going to mess up it won't be because you're not prepared. Second, you do whatever it takes to acquire plenty of performance experience. You form or join a small ensemble (e.g., brass quintet, woodwind quintet) where there's no place to hide in which you do lots lots of public performances -- not just rehearsals, but real performances (i.e. you go out get gigs). After a while, you'll get so accustomed to the pressures of public performance that you won't be shaky any more. Your confidence will grow to the point that even when you're nervous, nobody will know but you. That's because your sound will be consistently strong, steady, sure. And that confidence will carry over into self-assured auditions, as well as solid ensemble playing -- even when you're on the spot with a solo that all your fellow ensemble-members, plus the audience, are waiting to hear you play. There is no substitute for performance experience. Individual practice ensemble rehearsals are fine; they're indispensable. But they aren't enough, because they are just not the same as real performances in front of real audiences, and that's the kind of frequent, repeated performance experience you need to beat those shaky-sound jitters. Keep practicing good luck. -- Alan Cole, McLean, Virginia, USA. [rank amateur] [Fairfax County] ~ At 12:00 AM 4/27/2005, you wrote: I am only a sophomore in high school and I have taken many auditions for our senior honors district band and orchestras around the state. I prepare my music in an orderly fashion and I am completely prepared when I enter the audition site. I have noticed that my nerves are on end when I go into the audition room. When I have an audition, I am kind of excited about it, but not yet nervous. When I go into the warm-up room my heart begins to race. Once I had an audition and I was so nervous that my entire embouchure was shaking as I played my audition music. What is the best way to deal with nervousness before an audition? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Beginning Methods
Barefoot? -AC. ~~~ Of course that was in the days when I had to walk 5 miles to school in 5 feet of snow uphill both ways. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.1 - Release Date: 4/20/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Haydn Concerto for Two Horns
Kids had to grow up fast back then. -AC. ~ It's hard to believe that Mozart was only a teenager when he wrote this piece -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 4/19/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Tarnished Horn On eBay
Nice high-end Yamaha -- check out... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=16215item=7315885262rd=1 One more example of the ravages of atmospheric exposure on raw brass. Polish it up give it a nice coat of lacquer then you'd really have something. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.13 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Couple of technical questions
I used to be 1 of those people -- that is, until I tried a new Yamaha discovered how much better it is playing on a horn with tight valves -- so much better that I then had my old beat-up leaky-valve Alexander 103 totally restored modified -- custom lead pipe (with water key), valves replated refitted, cut-bell conversion, ambronze bell flare, the works. Wow, what an improvement! -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. Just a side note, there are a few people out there who like their valves a little less than perfectly tight just for the feel of the horn. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.13 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Changing mpc when changing horn
I use the same mouthpiece all the time -- changed mouthpieces a few years ago now use the new mouthpiece all the time on all my various horns, after previously using the same old mouthpiece all the time on all my various horns. The reason for changing was not any dissatisfaction with the old mouthpiece, but rather the discovery that the new mouthpiece offered noticeable improvement. So therefore I follow the advice offered by Alexander Pope a l-o-n-g time ago (1711 A.D.), to wit: Be not the 1st by whom the new is tried Nor yet the last to lay the old aside. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ At 11:08 AM 4/12/2005, you wrote: Do most of you, if you regularly play more than one horn, use the same mouthpiece or do you find a favorite mouthpiece for each horn? I assume the reason for playing more than one horn is that they're different, perhaps one smaller bore and one larger, and I'm curious to know how many of you change your mouthpiece, and in what way, to accomodate the difference in the horn. My guess is that most of you stick with the same mouthpiece but, like I said, I'm curious to know if some people don't and what their reasoning might be. Thanks. -S- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.6 - Release Date: 4/11/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] UCLA Horn Ensemble concert
Yeah. What bad thing do you suppose he did that got UCLA honked off so bad that they revoked his diploma? -AC. ~~ At 09:22 PM 4/7/2005, you wrote: former graduate - ? -S- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] du] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] UCLA Horn Ensemble concert Brian O'Connor, Adjunct Professor of Horn at UCLA, asked me to announce that the second annual concert of the UCLA Horn Ensemble will be held on May 4, 2005, at 7:30 PM in Popper Auditorium at UCLA. During the first concert last May 8, 2004, the group performed works from the original LA Horn Club recordings including George Hyde's Color Contrasts and Remembering 9/11 by USC Horn Professor Kristy Morrel's husband and composer, Steven Morrel. This year they will premier works for multiple Horns by acclaimed film composer, Aaron Zigman, who's most recent work was the film The Notebook, Frank Denson, Film and Television composer and associate of Mike Post and Pete Carpenter for years, and Justin Freer, excellent young Film and Television composer and former graduate of UCLA Composition Dept. Please contact Brian at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for further information. Heather Pettit IHS News Editor -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.4 - Release Date: 4/6/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Fingering question
Speaking strictly as a rank no-talent amateur, hooray for any alternate fingering or even fake-fingering that can simplify the clean, secure, musical execution of a vexingly tricky technical passage. Smoke on your pipe put that it. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ The bottom line is that it is good to be aware of both, and have the facility to use each. ***** Musical sense should always prevail. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 3/25/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Whoa! Disregard Previous Link!
Dear Friends --- Sincere apologies for that previous link, which (when I tried it just now) took me to an uncouth off-color web site to which I did NOT mean to direct you. My face is red from embarrassment at the error. Please forgive me. What I was trying to send is a link to a semi-couth picture, which you should get by using the following link instead: http://www.members.cox.net/acole2/blow_horn.jpeg -- Alan. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] West Point Band
http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110006360 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 3/1/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Schmidt Advice Needed...
On the mystery eBay Schmidt-style horn that got this discussion going, the 1-2-3 valve lever tips look somewhat pointed rather than mainly rounded. Isn't that distinctive lever shape another indication that the horn comes from the workshops of Italy? (And wouldn't it be a good reason for installing silver coins on the levers?) -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ At 10:17 AM 2/25/2005, you wrote: If I'm not mistaken, this looks like one those Italian made stencil horns imported for Carl Fischer. The 3rd valve wrap on the F side is a dead give away, in addition to the socket braces on the bell. These horns often have nickel plated mechanical levers, machined mouthpiece receivers, and VERY HEAVY bells. If you would like an affordable Schmidt style horn, then it seams to me to be priced about right. It certainly is not a genuine C.F. Schmidt. Jim Becker, Senior Technician Osmun Music Repairing since 1977 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Schmidt Advice Needed...
Hmmm -- Ver-r-r-r-y in-n-n-n-teresting. (As Arte Johnson used to say.) You don't suppose the horn is counterfeit, do you? I mean, how much money can there be in faking a semi-historical instrument worth no more than a few hundred bucks on eBay? My old horn teacher (lessons back in the 1955-1960 era) had a Schmidt-type double horn. (He also had an authentic original Geyer double, but that's another story.) I don't know whether his Schmidt horn was a Schmidt-Schmidt or a Conn-Schmidt. Whatever it was, I always thought that the piston valve mounted sideways on it was kind of cool. Years later, in a Horn Call article, I read about modifications that somebody came up with in an effort to deal with the uncomfortable left-hand position involved in operating a Schmidt-style double horn. Out of respect I suppose, the article didn't come right out say the awkward left-hand position makes the unmodified Schmidt double unplayable, but that was the impression I came away with after reading the piece. If the eBay price stays relatively low, that horn would make a nice wall hanger irrespective of its authenticity, no? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. At 10:58 PM 2/24/2005, you wrote: If you know anything about Schmidt horns (the old piston thumb-valve models from Germany), then I would ask that you go here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=16215item=7302616771rd=1 ...and take a look at this Schmidt model horn listed on E-bay. The seller has good feedback (meaning people have been happy with his auctions), but there are a few red flags that pop up with this horn. The seller just MIGHT BE playing things a bit coy on ID'ing this horn. I used to have a Schmidt, and have played and/or seen a total of about FIVE of them, NONE of which looked like this horn. The tubing and layout is VERY close, but, for me, none of the detail bits and pieces ring true. I'm aware that many Schmidt-like horns have been made over the years; Conn had one and so did, I'm told, many other manufacturers. However, I'm not enough of an old horn expert to tell if this E-bay horn is simply a later model genuine Schmidt, or a pattern copy. For me, several red flags pop up on this horn. They are, MECHANICAL ROTARY VALVE LINKAGE: Perhaps they came this way, but none I've seen were so-equipped. LEADPIPE SHAPE: Starting at the mouthpiece, the leadpipe on the E-bay horn follows the curve of the bell-section (normal), but then, after only a short distance, it suddenly makes a turn across the middle of the horn, like a Holton or Conn leadpipe does. This is UNLIKE any of the 4-or-5 Schmidts I've seen before. On all the others, the leadpipe continues to follow the curve of the bell-section until THE VERY BOTTOM of the horn (as the player holds it), then turns upward and heads toward the main tuning slide. Or at least that's the way I remember things. LEADPIPE LENGTH: This Schmidt has a SHORTER leadpipe than the others I've seen, prompting the question, Is this a Schmidt at all? 3rd VALVE SLIDE ON F-SIDE: All the Schmidts I've seen used the common 3rd-valve-swan's-neck-swoop, on the F-side, and ONLY THE Bb slide was a simple 6-piece patchwork of 2-curves and 4-straight pieces. The E-bay horn has both 3rd valve slides of the 6-piece construction. VALVE LEVERS, BRACES, VALVE CAPS, ETC: All unfamiliar to me. I have my father-in-law's Schmidt single-F, which is a later model; born after WWII. Even so, most all the little widgets and details are very much like my old between-the-wars Schmidt double. But this horn has none of these familiar pieces. Also, if it's NOT a genuine Schmidt, then what-the-howdy is it? The Carl Fischer inscription on the bell appears on many true Schmidts and, as I understand it, ID's them as post WWII models, imported by Fischer. Perhaps Fischer also had his own Schmidts made? If not a true Schmidt, how good a horn would this one be? What say ye? jrc in SC ___ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
