Re: [HOT] List of Mapathons for Nepal for HOT Blog post
That would be great, Andrew. I am deeply interested to trace, document and reflect our mapping effort after the crisis. Nama On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 10:16 PM, Andrew Wiseman awise...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm compiling as many Nepal-related OSM events as I can find for a blog post for HOT, can you please reply with any you have heard of with links, and ideally some basic info (who held it, how many people, etc.) and photos? Thanks! The more info you can send, the better the post will be (and quicker and easier to make!) Andrew -- 600,000 DC residents don't have a vote in Congress -- http://www.dcvote.org/ http://www.dcvote.org/about/index.cfm ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Nama R. Budhathoki, Ph.D. Executive Director, Kathmandu Living Labs *(www.kathmandulivinglabs.org http://www.kathmandulivinglabs.org)* Cell: 977-9803571739 Office: 977-6205000 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Nepal Earthquake - Experienced JOSM users needed : Pilot task to trace helicopter landing in remote areas
Hi all, we are requested to help to locate official and potential helicopters landing to help for the relief of remote areas in the mountains. This is not an easy job and we ask again for experienced contributors that can play with the various Image layers and evaluate helicopters landing. See the pilote task http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1023 Once this crowdsourcing effort, it will be reviewed by experts. Thanks for your great response over the last week. And Yes, already a week responding to this emergency. regard Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Nepal Earthquake - Experienced JOSM users needed : Pilot task to trace helicopter landing in remote areas
I forgot to say, we have a great coordination on all these matters, defining objectives with Kathmandu Living Labs, writing instructions, looking at imagery. As the Asia day shift is starting, I pass the relay to Nirab Pudasaini who will answer questions about these Task manager jobs northern of Nepal. Maning is also greatly supporting us in the Asia daily shift contributing also to the coordination. this is for me a good night.Cheer to all. Pierre De : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr À : HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 20h36 Objet : Nepal Earthquake - Experienced JOSM users needed : Pilot task to trace helicopter landing in remote areas Hi all, we are requested to help to locate official and potential helicopters landing to help for the relief of remote areas in the mountains. This is not an easy job and we ask again for experienced contributors that can play with the various Image layers and evaluate helicopters landing. See the pilote task http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1023 Once this crowdsourcing effort, it will be reviewed by experts. Thanks for your great response over the last week. And Yes, already a week responding to this emergency. regard Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?
Is that news article link still valid ? On 1 May 2015 at 22:18, Robert Banick rban...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I was reading the below linked article on the BBC today and came across the map. It looks like they’re using OSM-derived internally displaced person (IDP) camp data without attribution. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20039682 Based on what I’m reading in the relevant coordination channels it appears that HOT / Kathmandu Living Labs are one of the main sources for IDP damage. This is confirmed by the obvious square shape of the southern camps shown. The shape appears to align with bounds of HOT task #1008. http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008 Likely this is an honest mistake from a BBC reporter who sourced the derived data from the Nepali government. Nonetheless it’s a violation and should be fixed. Is there anyone with BBC contacts who could try to have this sorted? I’ve written them through the generic Contact button but personal contacts are always quicker. Best, Robert — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to ongoing harassment of me, my family, property pets* TCs https://sites.google.com/site/pmailkeey/e-mail ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] cannot load imagery into JOSM
Hi
I'm unable to load imagery from digital globe into JOSM. I was able to do so
yesterday with remote control enabled. Today it is not loading. Is there a
manual method to load the Digital Globe imagery to enable me to work with the
new areas? Can someone send instructions to those with mapping experience, but
not OSM/JOSm experience. (see below- how do I load this?)
Thanks
THIS TASK IF FOR MORE EXPERIENCED MAPPERS
** Imagery source=Digital Globe, 2014-04-29
JOSM editor Modify / Parameters / WMS - TMS, + TMS
tms:http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/{x}_{y}_{zoom}.png
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Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?
They caught wind and removed it! On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:37 PM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: Is that news article link still valid ? On 1 May 2015 at 22:18, Robert Banick rban...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I was reading the below linked article on the BBC today and came across the map. It looks like they’re using OSM-derived internally displaced person (IDP) camp data without attribution. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20039682 Based on what I’m reading in the relevant coordination channels it appears that HOT / Kathmandu Living Labs are one of the main sources for IDP damage. This is confirmed by the obvious square shape of the southern camps shown. The shape appears to align with bounds of HOT task #1008. http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008 Likely this is an honest mistake from a BBC reporter who sourced the derived data from the Nepali government. Nonetheless it’s a violation and should be fixed. Is there anyone with BBC contacts who could try to have this sorted? I’ve written them through the generic Contact button but personal contacts are always quicker. Best, Robert — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to ongoing harassment of me, my family, property pets* TCs https://sites.google.com/site/pmailkeey/e-mail ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Mhairi O'Hara Technical Project Manager Email: mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org Indonesian Mobile: +62 822 4701 1475 *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team * *Using OpenStreetMap for Humanitarian Response Economic Development* ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Question about helping as newcomer
Hi, I'm limiting my newbie mapping in Nepal tasks to things that seem simple. But I don't want to confuse things with bad data. After reading comments in the hotlist, I'm sticking to white squares. Is it advisable to go ahead with: Finding and marking individual buildings Identifying bridges Marking paths from roads to buildings? These are the only things I can do without guessing, so I stick to them. Also, It isn't clear how to label bridges. I couldn't find the dropdowns for highway that were suggested in the instructions. Also, does it help to mark a path that seems to disappear in trees? Some of these buildings are isolated and I thought it would help to show the part of the path that's clearly visible, if there's no other access, but not sure. Like a lot of people who are new, I really want to help. Please advise. Thank you. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] cannot load imagery into JOSM
Hello,
Yes you can load it manually.
Open JOSM, under imagery menu imagery preferences
There is a small TMS icon with + sign, click it and enter the URL.
Happy mapping!
*Kind Regards,Emir Hartato*
On 2 May 2015 at 08:58, Zarazaga, Jessie jzaraz...@mail.smu.edu wrote:
Hi
I’m unable to load imagery from digital globe into JOSM. I was able to do
so yesterday with remote control enabled. Today it is not loading. Is there
a manual method to load the Digital Globe imagery to enable me to work with
the new areas? Can someone send instructions to those with mapping
experience, but not OSM/JOSm experience. (see below- how do I load this?)
Thanks
*THIS TASK IF FOR MORE EXPERIENCED MAPPERS*
** Imagery source=Digital Globe, 2014-04-29
JOSM editor Modify / Parameters / WMS - TMS, + TMS tms:
http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/{x}_{y}_{zoom}.png
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Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
I've had some success on 1024 using the verified damage reports provided by Tomnod. Here's a GPX for overlay use if anyone else wants to give it a look. https://www.dropbox.com/s/n60czx7z71cjpvq/tomnod_043015.gpx?dl=0 My first impression is that it's a mixed bag. One point led me to some pretty clear damage, but two others were farther away from settlements than any offset would seem to account for. I'd be interested to hear if others find it useful. - Bill On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:32 AM Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Good news! After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous efforts. Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides. See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024 regard Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] #1024 landuse=brownfield + landuse=residential
Hi, please, one question:I'm tracing a landuse=brownfield poligon for recently disappeared homes (comparing DigitalGlobe 2015-04-29 with both Bing and MapGive / HIU april 2015 images, ) over a place where there was already a landuse=residential poligon (probably will be a common case). I ask: is it ok, doesn't it happen any kind of conflict for a landuse over another landuse, like conflict in rendering brownfield over residential, or any kind of conflict for identification? // Also, no sign of tents in the neigborhood of these demolished buildings, confirming reports that rescue haven't arrived yet to many distant place. // Thanks - Sérgio (user:SergioAJV) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Fwd: Fw: Helping Nepal with mapping action
Can someone tell them that mapping needs to be done with little care, students need to be provided proper guidelines, and point them to right resources. Nama -- Forwarded message -- From: Steven D. Prager sdpra...@uwyo.edu Date: Fri, May 1, 2015 at 7:54 AM Subject: Fw: Helping Nepal with mapping action To: ucgis-all a...@listserve.ucgis.org Colleagues, On behalf of Geo for All http://www.geoforall.org/ ,i request you all to inform your colleagues and students to contribute in the crisis mapping action launched by the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team. This will also help teach the students also the real essence of education and humanity and sharing knowledge and expertise to help each other in times of need. We thank our colleagues (esp. Maria Brovelli, Marco Minghini and Giovanna Venuti) and students at GEO Lab in Como (which is one of the GeoForAll Labs) for also organising a mapping initiative to support the relief efforts. Details at http://www.polo-como.polimi.it/news/dettaglio-della-news/article/165/helping-nepal-with-a-mapping-action-at-como-campus-967/ The scale of the efforts needed is huge, so more volunteers esp. with FOSS experience in automatic image classification and feature extraction and wish to contribute to the mapping response for the Nepal earthquake are needed . Details at http://opensourcegeospatial.icaci.org/2015/04/mapping-response-contributions-for-nepal/ There are many tasks that need to be accomplished at http://tasks.hotosm.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake Thanks again for all of you for your support and help with this. Best wishes, Suchith --- You are currently subscribed to all as: namabudhath...@gmail.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://listserve.ucgis.org/u?id=91608144.1e440f19b012cbf5de388b2db1412b7an=Tl=allo=2799721 or send a blank email to leave-2799721-91608144.1e440f19b012cbf5de388b2db1412...@listserve.ucgis.org -- Nama R. Budhathoki, Ph.D. Executive Director, Kathmandu Living Labs *(www.kathmandulivinglabs.org http://www.kathmandulivinglabs.org)* Cell: 977-9803571739 Office: 977-6205000 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Question about helping as newcomer
Adding to John, If you did not complete the task, once you saved your edit to the database, you come back to the Task Manager and add brief comment like newbie, just added buildings. And you click to unlock the task. This way, the contributor that later takes the task will see the infos you provided. This will help to understand what has still to be done. Thanks for your help. I started like this in January 2010, tracing polygons around IDP informal camps in Port-au-Prince. regard Pierre De : john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com À : laura brittain l.n.britt...@gmail.com Cc : hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 19h25 Objet : Re: [HOT] Question about helping as newcomer If you can use the JOSM buildings plugin and just do buildings for the moment that would be a great help. There are a lot of buildings to do and they are simple with the tool. buildings_tool JOSM edit menu, preferences, fourth tab down for plugins, then look for buildings_tool, tick the box then update plugins. To use it type b then click the mouse on a corner, move to the second corner, click, move to the next corner click and you're done, a perfectly mapped building. Cheerio John On 1 May 2015 at 19:17, laura brittain l.n.britt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,I'm limiting my newbie mapping in Nepal tasks to things that seem simple. But I don't want to confuse things with bad data.After reading comments in the hotlist, I'm sticking to white squares. Is it advisable to go ahead with:Finding and marking individual buildingsIdentifying bridgesMarking paths from roads to buildings?These are the only things I can do without guessing, so I stick to them. Also, It isn't clear how to label bridges. I couldn't find the dropdowns for highway that were suggested in the instructions.Also, does it help to mark a path that seems to disappear in trees? Some of these buildings are isolated and I thought it would help toshow the part of the path that's clearly visible, if there's no other access, but not sure. Like a lot of people who are new, I really want to help. Please advise. Thank you. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] [CrisisMappers] Re: [liberationtech] Contact Needed for Disaster Relief Software for Nepal
All - FYI you can check out Sahana's latest SitRep: http://sahanafoundation.org/nepal-earthquake-2015-sitrep-3/ Eric - I agree with Spike - now is not the right time for user research with these folks, but there's still plenty that can be done to help. Please get in touch with me and we can discuss how :) Spike - Hi! Hope you're well :) Regards Michael Howden CEO, Sahana Software Foundation mich...@sahanafoundation.org skype: michael.howden +64 (21) 126-1360 +1 (213) 261-4250 twitter:@michaelhowden www.sahanafoundation.org On 2/05/15 4:01 am, Spike wrote: I should perhaps have mentioned that please respond *direct* to *Eric Li* (cheng...@stanford.edu mailto:cheng...@stanford.edu) as he may well not be a member of this (which ever one this is) list. Sorry Spike On Friday, 1 May 2015 15:45:44 UTC+1, Spike wrote: Eric, I am guessing that the people that you are looking for may be a bit busy currently, but I am forwarding this to a few lists where such folk may lurk. Spike On 01/05/2015 14:43, Yosem Companys wrote: From: *Eric Li* cheng...@stanford.edu mailto:cheng...@stanford.edu mailto:cheng...@stanford.edu mailto:cheng...@stanford.edu I am recently working with a team on UI/UX research for Sahana Software Foundation, which has a disaster relief software that would be relevant to Nepal relief efforts. I wish to seek your help in obtaining contacts in the disaster management space. We are planning a user research study to better understand different roles within the disaster preparation / response ecosystem. We would like to interview people who work or volunteer in the following capacities: * Disaster Risk Reduction (DRR) Project Officer * IT Administrator (maintains disaster management software for his or her organization) * Supplies / Shelter Provider * HR Manager * Volunteer Coordinator * Field Volunteer If you know anyone in these roles who might be willing to participate in a interview with us, _please reply with their name, email address, job title and organization._ For example, do you know anyone who volunteers for Red Cross? Or other organizations involved in Nepal relief? Many thanks, Team Sahana (Lizzie, Tanu, Eric, Rachel, Rochelle) -- CrisisMappers | The Humanitarian Technology Network http://www.CrisisMappers.net To subscribe, follow this link: https://groups.google.com/group/crisismappers To unsubscribe, please send email to crisismappers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit CrisisMappers at: http://groups.google.com/group/crisismappers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CrisisMappers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to crisismappers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:crisismappers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to crisismapp...@googlegroups.com mailto:crisismapp...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/crisismappers. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Mhairi O'Hara mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org wrote: Hey Severin, I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status, after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being able to map non-validated tasks. I would also propose for a future Gsoc (or kindly ask MapBox people to think about an enhancement) something detecting in Id that objects tagged as buildings are not squared, because I would say 90% crappy edits come from this Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers' could guide the beginners here too. It has been discussed for a long time, it is likely documented in github, would be good to check with Pierre G about possible developments about this I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will be able to assist. Cheers, Mhairi On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced through the Activation. If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road network vs the rest). Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: NIck and I made this wikipage about it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish the job. Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and - clean everything with the validator - add mssing objects - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, according to the agreed scheme) Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please do. I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. Pierre -- *De :* Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH! Hi, We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an experienced mapper privileges status who would be required to have access to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts? Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org wrote: Fellow mappers, Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain from contributing. Heather already started drafting training support. When we circulate the tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to local community's group for newbies to find help. People also wanted to create screencast for specific tasks. As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually couldn't
[HOT] Today's report from the Situation Room
There is an evidence in the report how work is saving lives. Thank you all for you contribution. http://kathmandulivinglabs.org/blog/nepal-earthquake-report-from-kll-situation-room-day-6-may-1/ Cheers, Nama Nama R. Budhathoki, Ph.D. Executive Director, Kathmandu Living Labs *(www.kathmandulivinglabs.org http://www.kathmandulivinglabs.org)* Cell: 977-9803571739 Office: 977-6205000 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Message sizes
On Fri, 2015-05-01 at 11:11 -0400, Tom Taylor wrote: A number of messages are getting stuck in the HOT list moderator queue because they exceed the list limit of 40,000 kB. Surely you meant 40 kB or 40,000 bytes, not 40,000 kB? -- Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] [liberationtech] Contact Needed for Disaster Relief Software for Nepal
Eric, I am guessing that the people that you are looking for may be a bit busy currently, but I am forwarding this to a few lists where such folk may lurk. Spike On 01/05/2015 14:43, Yosem Companys wrote: From: *Eric Li* cheng...@stanford.edu mailto:cheng...@stanford.edu I am recently working with a team on UI/UX research for Sahana Software Foundation, which has a disaster relief software that would be relevant to Nepal relief efforts. I wish to seek your help in obtaining contacts in the disaster management space. We are planning a user research study to better understand different roles within the disaster preparation / response ecosystem. We would like to interview people who work or volunteer in the following capacities: * Disaster Risk Reduction (DRR) Project Officer * IT Administrator (maintains disaster management software for his or her organization) * Supplies / Shelter Provider * HR Manager * Volunteer Coordinator * Field Volunteer If you know anyone in these roles who might be willing to participate in a interview with us, _please reply with their name, email address, job title and organization._ For example, do you know anyone who volunteers for Red Cross? Or other organizations involved in Nepal relief? Many thanks, Team Sahana (Lizzie, Tanu, Eric, Rachel, Rochelle) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators
At each intensive activation, we restart these discussions. We also have made such propositions before. But no consensus. Yes we have to progress on this and continue to develop such organizational aspects outside of the emergency period. I dont have time to discuss more on this at this time. Too many subjects at the same time :) Pierre De : Mhairi O'Hara mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org À : Activation WG activat...@hotosm.org Cc : hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 8h37 Objet : Re: [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators Hey Severin, I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status, after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being able to map non-validated tasks. Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers' could guide the beginners here too. I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will be able to assist. Cheers, Mhairi On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced through the Activation. If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road network vs the rest). Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: NIck and I made this wikipage about it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish the job. Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and - clean everything with the validator - add mssing objects - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, according to the agreed scheme) Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please do. I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. Pierre De : Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com À : hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 Objet : Re: [HOT] AAGH! Hi, We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an experienced mapper privileges status who would be required to have access to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts? Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org wrote: Fellow mappers, Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain from contributing. Heather already started drafting training support. When we circulate the tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to local community's group for newbies to find help. People also wanted to create screencast for specific tasks. As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time
Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators
Hey Katja, Thanks for your experiences as a newcomer. Your insight is highly beneficial to improving the process for mappers that are starting out and contributing to the activations. Welcome to the OpenStreetMap community! Kind regards, Mhairi On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Katja Ulbert m...@katja-ulbert.de wrote: Hi there, as a newbie I think the idea of a HOT chatroom would be great! Although I read the beginners guide to JOSM it apparently didn´t cover everything. It would accelerate my work very much to get quick answers to my questions (unfortunately in my area there are no mappathons yet), instead of looking at tiles that are already marked as validated to get inspiration from what I see there or go through all the mailinglist posts to see if it has already been mentioned there. Best regards, Katja Am 01/05/15 um 14:37 schrieb Mhairi O'Hara: Hey Severin, I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status, after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being able to map non-validated tasks. Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers' could guide the beginners here too. I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will be able to assist. Cheers, Mhairi On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced through the Activation. If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road network vs the rest). Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: NIck and I made this wikipage about it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish the job. Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and - clean everything with the validator - add mssing objects - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, according to the agreed scheme) Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please do. I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. Pierre -- *De :* Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH! Hi, We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an experienced mapper privileges status who would be required to have access to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts? Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org wrote: Fellow mappers, Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell
[HOT] Message sizes
A number of messages are getting stuck in the HOT list moderator queue because they exceed the list limit of 40,000 kB. I think that's a reasonable limit, considering that a number of our colleagues are on a thin Internet connection. I've been letting messages go through up to about 50 kB, but rejecting larger ones. I suspect the primary problem is people failing to chop messages down to the last one or two exchanges when they compose a reply. This plus HTML uses up bytes quite quickly. Please try to remember to delete the older portions before sending your own message out. Tom Taylor TomT5454 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators
Not to worry Pierre! Duly noted. I will keep notes of everything so that we can discuss this after the activation period. And thanks for the additional information and comments Severin. I am taking these into account in a rough google docs document. I will add more suggestions, as I go through the rest of the e-mails that have come in during the current activation: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1O2jkoeHGnhEV1eN8aJDVctdfpWtDiodAUGiSTZmulEAauthuser=0 Please feel free to dumb ideas and suggestions, which I will organise and present at the next Activation WG meeting for further discussion. Cheers, Mhairi On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:53 AM, 'Pierre Béland' via Activation Working Group activat...@hotosm.org wrote: At each intensive activation, we restart these discussions. We also have made such propositions before. But no consensus. Yes we have to progress on this and continue to develop such organizational aspects outside of the emergency period. I dont have time to discuss more on this at this time. Too many subjects at the same time :) Pierre -- *De :* Mhairi O'Hara mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org *À :* Activation WG activat...@hotosm.org *Cc :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 8h37 *Objet :* Re: [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators Hey Severin, I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status, after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being able to map non-validated tasks. Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers' could guide the beginners here too. I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will be able to assist. Cheers, Mhairi On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced through the Activation. If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road network vs the rest). Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: NIck and I made this wikipage about it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish the job. Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and - clean everything with the validator - add mssing objects - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, according to the agreed scheme) Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please do. I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. Pierre -- *De :* Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH! Hi, We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an experienced mapper privileges status who would be required to have access to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should supposedly do).
Re: [HOT] [liberationtech] Contact Needed for Disaster Relief Software for Nepal
I should perhaps have mentioned that please respond *direct* to *Eric Li* ( cheng...@stanford.edu) as he may well not be a member of this (which ever one this is) list. Sorry Spike On Friday, 1 May 2015 15:45:44 UTC+1, Spike wrote: Eric, I am guessing that the people that you are looking for may be a bit busy currently, but I am forwarding this to a few lists where such folk may lurk. Spike On 01/05/2015 14:43, Yosem Companys wrote: From: *Eric Li* cheng...@stanford.edu mailto:cheng...@stanford.edu I am recently working with a team on UI/UX research for Sahana Software Foundation, which has a disaster relief software that would be relevant to Nepal relief efforts. I wish to seek your help in obtaining contacts in the disaster management space. We are planning a user research study to better understand different roles within the disaster preparation / response ecosystem. We would like to interview people who work or volunteer in the following capacities: * Disaster Risk Reduction (DRR) Project Officer * IT Administrator (maintains disaster management software for his or her organization) * Supplies / Shelter Provider * HR Manager * Volunteer Coordinator * Field Volunteer If you know anyone in these roles who might be willing to participate in a interview with us, _please reply with their name, email address, job title and organization._ For example, do you know anyone who volunteers for Red Cross? Or other organizations involved in Nepal relief? Many thanks, Team Sahana (Lizzie, Tanu, Eric, Rachel, Rochelle) ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Date of a mapped feature?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Chris Braun braun...@gmail.com wrote: Am I the only one who believes this issue is very important and should be dealt with? Maybe it's more a mid/long term issue: while we can guess that everything which is mapped today in Nepal is very recent because of the effort and wide participation triggered following the earthquake, if another catastrophe happens in a few years in the same region and the mapping effort restarts, rescue teams will have no clue to know whether what they see on the map dates back from the post 2015 earthquake or was mapped following the second catastrophe. This is a real problem, no? And of course this does not only apply for Nepal. At least if would be good to systematically tag the date of the imagery when it is known (Bing), and maybe try to find some strategy to give an estimate date (base on changesets for instance) for other imagery where the exact date is unknown. What do you (experienced users of OSM) think of this? Chris, It is not as simple as what is the date of the image since different zoom levels can and often do have different dates. I may be at different zoom levels when adding in a feature. Sometimes getting up close helps, while other times stepping back helps. All while adding the same feature. That isn't so say that it may not be helpful. Knowing the image source date is really helpful. As I said above, different zoom levels can be from different dates. When adding a feature, you obviously want the most current, but if one of the images is from MapBox you have no idea of when the image was taken. One solution is to do an on site survey to figure out what it looks like today. I would suggest submitting an enhancement request to the iD, Potlatch and JOSM developers asking them to capture the data. That may involve capturing dates for each zoom level. You would also need to ask MapBox to have their supplier include that information on the raster tile. It seems like a worthwhile effort. I'd be interested in what others think. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] [CrisisMappers] Response to Nepal Earthquake
Hi All, Thanks to Christiaan Adams, Josh Livni, the Google Crisis Response team, and imagery providers the DigitalGlobe, Airbus DS and Skybox imagery prepared, tiled, hosted and shown on Google CrisisMap (http://www.google.org/crisismap/2015-nepal-earthquake) is allowed to be traced in OSM, in particular. Any imagery you see in our CrisisMap and KML file (links below) is available for tracing and other disaster response use, by HOT/OSM and others. It is thus going to be possible to map from this imagery which is usually available online very quickly after capture, and with very good quality processing. The JOSM TMS URLs for the 22 images visible there so far have been collected in this wiki sub-page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_imagery_hosted_by_Google_Crisis_Response Many, many thanks to Christiaan and all those who made this possible. Jean-Guilhem Le 01/05/2015 00:51, 'Christiaan Adams' via CrisisMappers a écrit : Crisismappers, Good news, we have received the green light from both Digital Globe and from Airbus (Astrium / Pleiades data) that the crisis response imagery they are providing for Nepal is allowed to be traced. Therefore, any imagery you see in our CrisisMap and KML file (links below) is available for tracing and other disaster response use, by HOT/OSM and others. Google CrisisMap: http://www.google.org/crisismap/2015-nepal-earthquake (click the Layers menu to see additional images which are not turned on by default) KML file for Google Earth (networklink file loads the latest available data): http://mw1.google.com/crisisresponse/2015/nepal_earthquake/2015_nepal_earthquake_imagery.kml Thanks to the data providers and to everyone doing heroic work for Nepal! -Christiaan and the Google Crisis Response team. On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton jguil...@gmail.com mailto:jguil...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Christiaan, (sorry for misspelling your first name last night, realized it a few seconds too late) Here is a very recent quote from Carto and OSM for Nepal earthquake Skype room that summarizes the current situation: [mercredi 29 avril 2015 08:47:30 Nama Raj Budhathoki] I think we need post earthquake imagery to begin the mapping after the disaster Nama is Director of Kathmandu Living Labs, who connects with local actors (Red Cross and other NGOs, Nepal Army...) and targets HOT/OSM mapping according to needs, and resources (in particular post-event images). Seeing how post-event images are quickly and beautifully displayed on Google CrisisMap, I assume that they are already hosted, and that technically it would be a relatively simple matter of adding appropriate pipes to make them accessible through TMS or WMS protocols. (For what is worth, I use MapServer (for WMS) and (MS with) TileCache (for TMS) on OSM France servers. Would be available later today to help with configuration if it could be useful). OSM editor JOSM can access TMS and WMS, and iD can access TMS. Best wishes, Jean-Guilhem Le 29/04/2015 01:58, 'Christiaan Adams' via CrisisMappers a écrit : Jean, I wasn't aware that DG and Airbus are releasing imagery under open licenses for OSM, so thanks for the links! As far as I know, that's not the license that we at Google get imagery from them under at this point. I'll ask and see if we can get our license changed for this and other crisis situations. If there's definitely a need for these datasets to be hosted as WMS or TMS feeds, I can look into what it would take for us to do that. Best, -Christiaan On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton jguil...@gmail.com mailto:jguil...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Christian, But there are separate licenses for OpenStreetMap usage both from DigitalGlobe [1] and from Airbus DS [2], who understand the importance of this common good in humanitarian crises. One could hope that, if it is only a matter of distribution channel, it should be possible to apply these licenses to the same images, served through the technical capacity and engineering talent of Google. And maybe old protocols like TMS or WMS could be associated with special license allowing OSM usage, to serve only the crisis images on which it might apply. Only suggestions, but that would help support the Nepalese, and some of those trying to support them. Best wishes, Jean-Guilhem [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2015-April/008160.html [2] http://imagery.openstreetmap.fr/airbus-ds/Web%20Licence%20for%20Non-Commercial%20Use%20with%20OSM.pdf PS: Thanks for the Skybox imagery. I think it was already set up as TMS.
[HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
Good news! After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous efforts. Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides. See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024 regard Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
Seems working now, but It seems the SE part (past Trisuli Bazar) of the task is still without the latest imagery. clkao Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:53寫道： Sorry, I corrected Hi have modified the task in the instructions you will find link for ID and JOSM regard Pierre -- *De :* Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org *À :* Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h30 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas Hi Pierre, (and woot!) I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the imagery license. Here's one of the tiles failed to load (404) is at: http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png Best, clkao Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:21寫道： Good news! After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous efforts. Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides. See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024 regard Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Duties before start.
Hi :) I am beginner here (it is my first time..) I am having some doubts before start mapping and I need some help please. I have my work area and I am using JOMS. I didn't have any alert about the image offset. So, I can start without problems? Tks, :) Fátima ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
Hi Pierre, (and woot!) I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the imagery license. Here's one of the tiles failed to load (404) is at: http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png Best, clkao Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:21寫道： Good news! After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous efforts. Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides. See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024 regard Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
With the difficult weathe condition, this is the best we had so far. People in remote areas are trapped with road slidings and no help for a week. Challenging, but we try our best. This CNN video explains it better then me. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/01/health/nepal-gupta-woman-cardiac-arrest/ regard Pierre De : Julian Haag o...@juhaag.de À : hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 13h14 Objet : Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Pierre, do we have pre-quake-images? Its nearly impossible to distinguish between houses, tents and damages.. Am 01.05.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Pierre Béland: Yes the area near Trisuli Bazar is cloudy. But gladly, we finally have some imagery after 7 days to help people in remote areas. regard Pierre - *De :* Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org *À :* Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h56 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas Seems working now, but It seems the SE part (past Trisuli Bazar) of the task is still without the latest imagery. clkao Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:53寫道： Sorry, I corrected Hi have modified the task in the instructions you will find link for ID and JOSM regard Pierre - *De :* Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org mailto:cl...@clkao.org *À :* Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr; HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h30 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas Hi Pierre, (and woot!) I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the imagery license. Here's one of the tiles failed to load (404) is at:http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png Best, clkao Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:21寫道： Good news! After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous efforts. Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides. See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024 regard Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVQ7RxAAoJEMUCiYazPkhKd6oP/01c7HCF+lcDkdn5A3eYfXn9 yABBhvifK6HRAImWr0TWR1Lb9Ca3Q1wg+rrr7Z9xal/UdAHpQKfZeaq5tKW7rbGW FFc9hXHwLcZWDKmEgqhWwAy2vwQkZULUoNWN7kyDae6J2hAU8wAcOb1oMicgkKTi +n1tq+CvAGehivMor8XGlyzyeOpjQDSL4UTxeDexwVWTbzTvHwolNN1a7hvitq5p osJx2Vrgwg0CGp2i47M1m/gvZid9uUn4e+AY+bTbKaPaY7shcy+JULRyBzhfKv13 +zQkg3c2jOSzvVZJQyR06soYBGJxzuD0WnBGBrwp4OuIC3gjrjrLKh9rMqh+8kjW jHwo4uBfkpybtMDusGQGwZCXQS4OzMQR2L87gD9OeO1MDnoU84TjvcsHLtezp305 E5oHDl4j8ROuGyjKbOwVa1/0CnNDFk/XHnbDXxUr8X6uwLkBq+ZoD+1E7KxTv/4U 2/1y0aPO7iDV8KzHH9SMQOfb9roubYpRdfxdKO0q0cN/WbMEb24Jq9f+oAilhxFf y5yq2+oOl3Jt9y493IEPD9M64q+muu67RPtqjR5bPm+zpRNs4XqldateaynPLiFC x50TW8bO4Hs3rnZLenw62CbEJQe1jzWhFWgu4QKjz7J03lNiLO35lEQxJEyo1BdC 1UJO61Zu0CG656D5p1H2 =xoBU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] limit validation to experienced users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I had an argument with him too via PM and I kinda ticked a bit.. Felt a bit strange getting a lesson from someone mapping for 3 months and adding all in all 9000 nodes and having added about 100.000 in Nepal this year myself. Invalidating tasks completed by maning added some flavour to that one too.. :D He wants all buildings to be mapped. Even those in landuse=residential. It feels like a waste of time, but the instructions are a bit ambiguous so technically he is not wrong! I can understand, that completing and validating a task should be the point in wich everything needed is mapped - #1018 is marked as STEP 2. So we are adding more details.. I am not sure what to do, but I pointed out to him, that his attitude might discourage some mappers (as it did to me at first (only a bit :D)). greetings from germany ngt P.S. at the moment I try to watch the activities and (re-)validate especially the ones done by beginners. In the comments there has to be a kind and more exhausting text on what to do, point out learnosm and be particular, what should be done different or be better. Try to avoid saying what is bad ;) Am 30.04.2015 um 16:51 schrieb Kretzer: Makes sense to me ... In task #1018 there seems to be a user with little experience and lots of confidence invalidating dozens of tiles, arguing that every individual structure needs to be traced. The person even entered in a kind if edit war with maning. I really feel this is a waste of precious time. In this tasks there are very specific instructions on how to validate (which is a very good idea!). They do clearly say that the major highways need to be there, not all the highways. I guess the goal is to get the relevant structures as quickly as possible. That kind of nitpicking seems to be just slowing the job. Gesendet mit der GMX iPhone AppIFFK Am 30.04.15 um 15:49 schrieb Pierre GIRAUD Hi all, I wasn't able to read all the email I got for the last 3 days, and there's a ton of those. However, I've seen a lot of people complaining about beginner mappers validating tasks even if they're not experienced enough to do so. Before we find a way to avoid this with additions to the tasking manager, I think there may be a workaround. What about making the (100% done) projects in a private mode temporarily and give access to a limited list of users so that they can validate the done tasks. This could be used for this project for example: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008 This would prevent beginners to come to this project, wonder what to do and then validate tasks even if they don't know what they're doing. My 2 cents. Pierre -- - | Pierre GIRAUD - ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVQ6WqAAoJEMUCiYazPkhKgBcP/09YmyKW4fzupreyDvd7rp36 TZkG0G6gPPL3Wu+GmOpb+xznT04Mz4oBUAJDt6JvxlxK8y0QrcUdl1BY9xSzPK8N +DGZ8R6boogYNqcifhxpaBF7estqMq7PnfJxzppVwEygX0RxABSrolwm4ZXr7giK lbq1k3EczfEhXrvULTUNfT06fqnDksn62ga/SwYZGen0oMCsgrrQA7H6u8F5hMx2 yS73keCnxdZ9nbJlxOT4wPHK3DuAs7QWgsiBGAOQEu8ytA9gkAe4LRqJIpQWxVdR WAb9BfaQk1FQ393GvHfGP3K+fI25MfT5B0aLxAOQYDREUNjzbKlnxudTK++p5V3R sIpVCKpiP4jDhOPkMXPbSMETkBw55BXC913C2kvEq54RXgQMw7C+EbvIlxKeDJ2O frOIngIyT+eqNMUnQOe/Tuvn9h3R5Gcx/3qBIeZLI8vwslbIpDs9a2XKsbutp/xk tcsjpqEhyhmY0Fw81VM+H29PeemUzo1IHArYY2eyb4lBhWy8gw3qnvsTSvp9JSu1 I1fQLN0MQLihh3wC8A4uWKcRTRPf8MSmv72mQjg52gSE2HqAvmB0r3fQLaku5ZX4 KQE8PtKM5BEITd5Xw12yFQa27kwqL0pXqrDjiRzVRIBehp2Gq/1L7xia88Yi1A1B Rt+l7Mncu3UBWIjNRHtN =4rz2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Pierre, do we have pre-quake-images? Its nearly impossible to distinguish between houses, tents and damages.. Am 01.05.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Pierre Béland: Yes the area near Trisuli Bazar is cloudy. But gladly, we finally have some imagery after 7 days to help people in remote areas. regard Pierre - *De :* Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org *À :* Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h56 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas Seems working now, but It seems the SE part (past Trisuli Bazar) of the task is still without the latest imagery. clkao Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:53寫道： Sorry, I corrected Hi have modified the task in the instructions you will find link for ID and JOSM regard Pierre - *De :* Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org mailto:cl...@clkao.org *À :* Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr; HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h30 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas Hi Pierre, (and woot!) I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the imagery license. Here's one of the tiles failed to load (404) is at: http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png Best, clkao Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:21寫道： Good news! After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous efforts. Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides. See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024 regard Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVQ7RxAAoJEMUCiYazPkhKd6oP/01c7HCF+lcDkdn5A3eYfXn9 yABBhvifK6HRAImWr0TWR1Lb9Ca3Q1wg+rrr7Z9xal/UdAHpQKfZeaq5tKW7rbGW FFc9hXHwLcZWDKmEgqhWwAy2vwQkZULUoNWN7kyDae6J2hAU8wAcOb1oMicgkKTi +n1tq+CvAGehivMor8XGlyzyeOpjQDSL4UTxeDexwVWTbzTvHwolNN1a7hvitq5p osJx2Vrgwg0CGp2i47M1m/gvZid9uUn4e+AY+bTbKaPaY7shcy+JULRyBzhfKv13 +zQkg3c2jOSzvVZJQyR06soYBGJxzuD0WnBGBrwp4OuIC3gjrjrLKh9rMqh+8kjW jHwo4uBfkpybtMDusGQGwZCXQS4OzMQR2L87gD9OeO1MDnoU84TjvcsHLtezp305 E5oHDl4j8ROuGyjKbOwVa1/0CnNDFk/XHnbDXxUr8X6uwLkBq+ZoD+1E7KxTv/4U 2/1y0aPO7iDV8KzHH9SMQOfb9roubYpRdfxdKO0q0cN/WbMEb24Jq9f+oAilhxFf y5yq2+oOl3Jt9y493IEPD9M64q+muu67RPtqjR5bPm+zpRNs4XqldateaynPLiFC x50TW8bO4Hs3rnZLenw62CbEJQe1jzWhFWgu4QKjz7J03lNiLO35lEQxJEyo1BdC 1UJO61Zu0CG656D5p1H2 =xoBU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
Yes the area near Trisuli Bazar is cloudy. But gladly, we finally have some imagery after 7 days to help people in remote areas. regard Pierre De : Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org À : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h56 Objet : Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas Seems working now, but It seems the SE part (past Trisuli Bazar) of the task is still without the latest imagery. clkao Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:53寫道： Sorry, I corrected Hi have modified the taskin the instructions you will find link for ID and JOSM regard Pierre De : Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org À : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h30 Objet : Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas Hi Pierre, (and woot!) I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the imagery license. Here's one of the tiles failed to load (404) is at: http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png Best,clkao Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:21寫道： Good news! After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous efforts. Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides. See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024 regard Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Duties before start.
Fátima, Welcome, thanks for pitching in to help. I am also fairly new to HOT but here are a few thoughts: Take the tutorials before starting, and the additional training recommended from them: http://mapgive.state.gov/learn-to-map/ http://learnosm.org/en/ Review the validated work of others before starting, to understand what's expected for the project. I review it in iD so I don't have to lock it from anyone else (I use JOSM to edit). I suggest reviewing the descriptions and instructions for several projects in the area you've chosen (e.g., Nepal). Some project instructions are more complete than others. If the instructions aren't clear to you, request clarification. Start with tiles that have fewer features to be mapped, so that you can be validated sooner and get feedback on your work. When you check your work back in you can leave a comment noting your are new, note anything you were unsure of, and request feedback on your work. Don't validate others' work - leave that to experienced mappers. Be systematic in your review of a tile. I start with major transportation features, then work systematically scanning the tile in columns, top-to-bottom, then left-to-right, at a constant scale, using keyboard shortcuts to move (Ctrl-arrow in JOSM) so that I'm sure I've covered the complete tile. If you are entering buildings be sure to load the buildings_tools plugin for JOSM: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/BuildingsTools Use this mail list to ask questions as you go. Let us know what project you're working on. If appropriate include a link (e.g., the URL in iD, or the lat/long coordinates) to show an example. If you're in doubt of whether you are doing something right, ask questions first. New users can make good contributions, but some new users are problematic and there is much debate as to how to enable new users while assuring good quality. Steve On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Fátima Vale mfgv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) I am beginner here (it is my first time..) I am having some doubts before start mapping and I need some help please. I have my work area and I am using JOMS. I didn't have any alert about the image offset. So, I can start without problems? Tks, :) Fátima ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
this is all working now from the instructions. Difficult to see some areas for e.g building damage. I'm using Bing as a pre-quake layer to contrast the two (with data turned off), that way the contrasts (i.e tents, IDP and damage) are easier to see. wow... jon. On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: With the difficult weathe condition, this is the best we had so far. People in remote areas are trapped with road slidings and no help for a week. Challenging, but we try our best. This CNN video explains it better then me. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/01/health/nepal-gupta-woman-cardiac-arrest/ regard Pierre -- *De :* Julian Haag o...@juhaag.de *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 13h14 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Pierre, do we have pre-quake-images? Its nearly impossible to distinguish between houses, tents and damages.. Am 01.05.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Pierre Béland: Yes the area near Trisuli Bazar is cloudy. But gladly, we finally have some imagery after 7 days to help people in remote areas. regard Pierre - *De :* Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org cl...@clkao.org *À :* Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr pierz...@yahoo.fr; HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h56 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas Seems working now, but It seems the SE part (past Trisuli Bazar) of the task is still without the latest imagery. clkao Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:53寫道： Sorry, I corrected Hi have modified the task in the instructions you will find link for ID and JOSM regard Pierre - *De :* Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org mailto:cl...@clkao.org cl...@clkao.org *À :* Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr pierz...@yahoo.fr; HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h30 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas Hi Pierre, (and woot!) I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the imagery license. Here's one of the tiles failed to load (404) is at: http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png Best, clkao Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:21寫道： Good news! After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous efforts. Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides. See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024 regard Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVQ7RxAAoJEMUCiYazPkhKd6oP/01c7HCF+lcDkdn5A3eYfXn9 yABBhvifK6HRAImWr0TWR1Lb9Ca3Q1wg+rrr7Z9xal/UdAHpQKfZeaq5tKW7rbGW FFc9hXHwLcZWDKmEgqhWwAy2vwQkZULUoNWN7kyDae6J2hAU8wAcOb1oMicgkKTi +n1tq+CvAGehivMor8XGlyzyeOpjQDSL4UTxeDexwVWTbzTvHwolNN1a7hvitq5p osJx2Vrgwg0CGp2i47M1m/gvZid9uUn4e+AY+bTbKaPaY7shcy+JULRyBzhfKv13 +zQkg3c2jOSzvVZJQyR06soYBGJxzuD0WnBGBrwp4OuIC3gjrjrLKh9rMqh+8kjW jHwo4uBfkpybtMDusGQGwZCXQS4OzMQR2L87gD9OeO1MDnoU84TjvcsHLtezp305 E5oHDl4j8ROuGyjKbOwVa1/0CnNDFk/XHnbDXxUr8X6uwLkBq+ZoD+1E7KxTv/4U 2/1y0aPO7iDV8KzHH9SMQOfb9roubYpRdfxdKO0q0cN/WbMEb24Jq9f+oAilhxFf y5yq2+oOl3Jt9y493IEPD9M64q+muu67RPtqjR5bPm+zpRNs4XqldateaynPLiFC x50TW8bO4Hs3rnZLenw62CbEJQe1jzWhFWgu4QKjz7J03lNiLO35lEQxJEyo1BdC 1UJO61Zu0CG656D5p1H2 =xoBU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
Ah Thanks Pierre this is a good news! Le 01/05/2015 15:32, Pierre Béland a écrit : Good news! After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous efforts. Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides. See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024 regard Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas
Sorry, I corrected Hi have modified the taskin the instructions you will find link for ID and JOSM regard Pierre De : Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org À : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 12h30 Objet : Re: [HOT] URGENT Experimented contributors needed : Locate IDP Camps and detect housing damages in remote areas Hi Pierre, (and woot!) I don't see the tiles in iD even after accepting the imagery license. Here's one of the tiles failed to load (404) is at: http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054334261010_01_2015_04_29_maptiles/48303_27494_16.png Best,clkao Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr 於 2015年5月2日 週六 上午12:21寫道： Good news! After 7 days of waiting due to bad weather conditions, we received today various images from DigitalGlobe and CNES/Astrium. In tthese difficult conditions, all the imagery providers and UNOSAT are coordinating to provide images. This was possible today! Thanks to all for your continous efforts. Nirab Pudasaini from Kathmandu Living Labs is working with me to define a serie of jobs to respond quiclky to this emergency. These people did not have any relief over the last week with bad weather and roads lanslides. See Job http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1024 regard Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] limit validation to experienced users
Regarding tracing buildings in #1018, Nepal 2nd pass, the *revised* instructions are unambiguous: *Buildings *- Trace ALL individual buildings and tag it as building=yes. For clusters of building, DO NOT enclose the whole area as one building. It is important to trace individual structures for future damage analysis. I have been doing so, even in areas already tagged landuse=residential. If tracing all individual buildings is incorrect, let me know and the instructions should be revised. I would expect consistency of instructions across the Nepal projects, e.g., regarding how to add buildings. An experienced project manager might want to review the Nepal project instructions for consistency/completeness (if not done already). Feedback from validators would be very helpful, whether all good or for future do this. Thanks On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Julian Haag o...@juhaag.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I had an argument with him too via PM and I kinda ticked a bit.. Felt a bit strange getting a lesson from someone mapping for 3 months and adding all in all 9000 nodes and having added about 100.000 in Nepal this year myself. Invalidating tasks completed by maning added some flavour to that one too.. :D He wants all buildings to be mapped. Even those in landuse=residential. It feels like a waste of time, but the instructions are a bit ambiguous so technically he is not wrong! I can understand, that completing and validating a task should be the point in wich everything needed is mapped - #1018 is marked as STEP 2. So we are adding more details.. I am not sure what to do, but I pointed out to him, that his attitude might discourage some mappers (as it did to me at first (only a bit :D)). greetings from germany ngt P.S. at the moment I try to watch the activities and (re-)validate especially the ones done by beginners. In the comments there has to be a kind and more exhausting text on what to do, point out learnosm and be particular, what should be done different or be better. Try to avoid saying what is bad ;) Am 30.04.2015 um 16:51 schrieb Kretzer: Makes sense to me ... In task #1018 there seems to be a user with little experience and lots of confidence invalidating dozens of tiles, arguing that every individual structure needs to be traced. The person even entered in a kind if edit war with maning. I really feel this is a waste of precious time. In this tasks there are very specific instructions on how to validate (which is a very good idea!). They do clearly say that the major highways need to be there, not all the highways. I guess the goal is to get the relevant structures as quickly as possible. That kind of nitpicking seems to be just slowing the job. Gesendet mit der GMX iPhone AppIFFK Am 30.04.15 um 15:49 schrieb Pierre GIRAUD Hi all, I wasn't able to read all the email I got for the last 3 days, and there's a ton of those. However, I've seen a lot of people complaining about beginner mappers validating tasks even if they're not experienced enough to do so. Before we find a way to avoid this with additions to the tasking manager, I think there may be a workaround. What about making the (100% done) projects in a private mode temporarily and give access to a limited list of users so that they can validate the done tasks. This could be used for this project for example: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008 This would prevent beginners to come to this project, wonder what to do and then validate tasks even if they don't know what they're doing. My 2 cents. Pierre -- - | Pierre GIRAUD - ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVQ6WqAAoJEMUCiYazPkhKgBcP/09YmyKW4fzupreyDvd7rp36 TZkG0G6gPPL3Wu+GmOpb+xznT04Mz4oBUAJDt6JvxlxK8y0QrcUdl1BY9xSzPK8N +DGZ8R6boogYNqcifhxpaBF7estqMq7PnfJxzppVwEygX0RxABSrolwm4ZXr7giK lbq1k3EczfEhXrvULTUNfT06fqnDksn62ga/SwYZGen0oMCsgrrQA7H6u8F5hMx2 yS73keCnxdZ9nbJlxOT4wPHK3DuAs7QWgsiBGAOQEu8ytA9gkAe4LRqJIpQWxVdR WAb9BfaQk1FQ393GvHfGP3K+fI25MfT5B0aLxAOQYDREUNjzbKlnxudTK++p5V3R sIpVCKpiP4jDhOPkMXPbSMETkBw55BXC913C2kvEq54RXgQMw7C+EbvIlxKeDJ2O frOIngIyT+eqNMUnQOe/Tuvn9h3R5Gcx/3qBIeZLI8vwslbIpDs9a2XKsbutp/xk tcsjpqEhyhmY0Fw81VM+H29PeemUzo1IHArYY2eyb4lBhWy8gw3qnvsTSvp9JSu1 I1fQLN0MQLihh3wC8A4uWKcRTRPf8MSmv72mQjg52gSE2HqAvmB0r3fQLaku5ZX4 KQE8PtKM5BEITd5Xw12yFQa27kwqL0pXqrDjiRzVRIBehp2Gq/1L7xia88Yi1A1B Rt+l7Mncu3UBWIjNRHtN =4rz2 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Am 01.05.2015 21:18 schrieb Pierre GIRAUD pierre.gir...@gmail.com: This has been reported in the tasking manager issues. https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/513 Oh, thanks. Since I had never seen this before I didn't expect this to be a bug in the tasking manager. I think it has also been reported in JOSM. I think I found the bug report (https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/10975) - it is closed as it is considered a bug in tasking manager... I guess we will have to live with it for now. Thanks for the help anyway. Michael ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Mhairi O'Hara mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org wrote: Hey Severin, I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status, after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being able to map non-validated tasks. I would also propose for a future Gsoc (or kindly ask MapBox people to think about an enhancement) something detecting in Id that objects tagged as buildings are not squared, because I would say 90% crappy edits come from this Just created this issue on GitHub: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624 Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers' could guide the beginners here too. It has been discussed for a long time, it is likely documented in github, would be good to check with Pierre G about possible developments about this I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will be able to assist. Cheers, Mhairi On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced through the Activation. If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road network vs the rest). Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: NIck and I made this wikipage about it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish the job. Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and - clean everything with the validator - add mssing objects - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, according to the agreed scheme) Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please do. I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. Pierre -- *De :* Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH! Hi, We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an experienced mapper privileges status who would be required to have access to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts? Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org wrote: Fellow mappers, Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain from contributing. Heather already started drafting training support. When we circulate the tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to local community's group for newbies to find help. People also wanted to create
Re: [HOT] Message sizes
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[HOT] perso Re: limit validation to experienced users
Hi Steve, too tired to concentrate. Had some sleep. But still in deficit of 2 hours for last night. A lot more cumulative :) Will have to get some rest again to be effective. I'll let you evaluate. for pre-disaster jobs we can say to trace all buidling. but problem, TM1018, some of kathmandu urban integrated. might take time to do. thanks for this help Pierre De : Steve Bower sbo...@gmavt.net À : Julian Haag o...@juhaag.de Cc : HOT Openstreetmap hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 13h13 Objet : Re: [HOT] limit validation to experienced users Regarding tracing buildings in #1018, Nepal 2nd pass, the *revised* instructions are unambiguous: Buildings - Trace ALL individual buildings and tag it as building=yes. For clusters of building, DO NOT enclose the whole area as one building. It is important to trace individual structures for future damage analysis. I have been doing so, even in areas already tagged landuse=residential. If tracing all individual buildings is incorrect, let me know and the instructions should be revised. I would expect consistency of instructions across the Nepal projects, e.g., regarding how to add buildings. An experienced project manager might want to review the Nepal project instructions for consistency/completeness (if not done already). Feedback from validators would be very helpful, whether all good or for future do this. Thanks On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Julian Haag o...@juhaag.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I had an argument with him too via PM and I kinda ticked a bit.. Felt a bit strange getting a lesson from someone mapping for 3 months and adding all in all 9000 nodes and having added about 100.000 in Nepal this year myself. Invalidating tasks completed by maning added some flavour to that one too.. :D He wants all buildings to be mapped. Even those in landuse=residential. It feels like a waste of time, but the instructions are a bit ambiguous so technically he is not wrong! I can understand, that completing and validating a task should be the point in wich everything needed is mapped - #1018 is marked as STEP 2. So we are adding more details.. I am not sure what to do, but I pointed out to him, that his attitude might discourage some mappers (as it did to me at first (only a bit :D)). greetings from germany ngt P.S. at the moment I try to watch the activities and (re-)validate especially the ones done by beginners. In the comments there has to be a kind and more exhausting text on what to do, point out learnosm and be particular, what should be done different or be better. Try to avoid saying what is bad ;) Am 30.04.2015 um 16:51 schrieb Kretzer: Makes sense to me ... In task #1018 there seems to be a user with little experience and lots of confidence invalidating dozens of tiles, arguing that every individual structure needs to be traced. The person even entered in a kind if edit war with maning. I really feel this is a waste of precious time. In this tasks there are very specific instructions on how to validate (which is a very good idea!). They do clearly say that the major highways need to be there, not all the highways. I guess the goal is to get the relevant structures as quickly as possible. That kind of nitpicking seems to be just slowing the job. Gesendet mit der GMX iPhone AppIFFK Am 30.04.15 um 15:49 schrieb Pierre GIRAUD Hi all, I wasn't able to read all the email I got for the last 3 days, and there's a ton of those. However, I've seen a lot of people complaining about beginner mappers validating tasks even if they're not experienced enough to do so. Before we find a way to avoid this with additions to the tasking manager, I think there may be a workaround. What about making the (100% done) projects in a private mode temporarily and give access to a limited list of users so that they can validate the done tasks. This could be used for this project for example: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008 This would prevent beginners to come to this project, wonder what to do and then validate tasks even if they don't know what they're doing. My 2 cents. Pierre -- - | Pierre GIRAUD - ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVQ6WqAAoJEMUCiYazPkhKgBcP/09YmyKW4fzupreyDvd7rp36 TZkG0G6gPPL3Wu+GmOpb+xznT04Mz4oBUAJDt6JvxlxK8y0QrcUdl1BY9xSzPK8N +DGZ8R6boogYNqcifhxpaBF7estqMq7PnfJxzppVwEygX0RxABSrolwm4ZXr7giK lbq1k3EczfEhXrvULTUNfT06fqnDksn62ga/SwYZGen0oMCsgrrQA7H6u8F5hMx2
[HOT] Task manager changeset comments not working
Working on some of the Nepal projects I noticed that the changeset
comments autogenerated in JOSM by Task Manager are broken. For example
you get %23hotosm-project-1018 instead of #hotosm-project-1018.
Or with project #1010 even a
source=tms[22]:https://{switch:a,b,c,d}.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/mapbox.satellite-kathmandu-20150425-after/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg?access_token=pk.eyJ1Ijoib3BlbnN0cmVldG1hcCIsImEiOiJhNVlHd29ZIn0.ti6wATGDWOmCnCYen-Ip7Q;.
I have experienced this issue with JOSM, I do not know if other editors
are affected as well.
Since I have seen the repeatedly I just wanted to raise the issue. I
guess this is probably a configuration issue, not a software problem.
Thanks keep on mapping
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Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators
If only the HOT Summit wasn't happening during an activation :( On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:53 AM Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: At each intensive activation, we restart these discussions. We also have made such propositions before. But no consensus. Yes we have to progress on this and continue to develop such organizational aspects outside of the emergency period. I dont have time to discuss more on this at this time. Too many subjects at the same time :) Pierre -- *De :* Mhairi O'Hara mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org *À :* Activation WG activat...@hotosm.org *Cc :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 8h37 *Objet :* Re: [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators Hey Severin, I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status, after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being able to map non-validated tasks. Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers' could guide the beginners here too. I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will be able to assist. Cheers, Mhairi On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced through the Activation. If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road network vs the rest). Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: NIck and I made this wikipage about it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish the job. Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and - clean everything with the validator - add mssing objects - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, according to the agreed scheme) Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please do. I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. Pierre -- *De :* Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH! Hi, We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an experienced mapper privileges status who would be required to have access to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts? Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org wrote: Fellow mappers, Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain from contributing. Heather already started drafting training support. When we circulate
[HOT] Wiki: HOT UserBox
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:HOT_UserBox
I just realized that if you use this template on your user page, then it
will be in the Humanitarian OSM Team category. I don't think that should
happen and I guess with the [[Category:{{{1}}}
Volunteers{{!}}{{PAGENAME}}]] that also was somehow the intention, but
that doesn't work, because many people don't enter the optional parameter.
I'm not an expert with those templates, but maybe someone could edit it
so by default it says Category: HOT volunteer and make that a sub category.
Also for the official members it might also be better to have category
HOT board members as Humanitarian OSM Team doesn't really stand for the
team.
Because right now the category isn't the usefull with all the users:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Humanitarian_OSM_Team
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Re: [HOT] Task manager changeset comments not working
We noticed the same problem in Burkina.
We use to copy/past from TM to JOSM the comment for each changeset because
# is everytime changing to %23,the UTF-8 character.
I mean if you copy/past it in JOSM before opening a changeset, it's ok. But
if you want to open a new changeset later, the # is always replaced by
%23.
So the issue is coming from JOSM.
Thanks, good luck,
Augustin
2015-05-01 18:02 GMT+00:00 Michael ohr...@gmail.com:
Working on some of the Nepal projects I noticed that the changeset
comments autogenerated in JOSM by Task Manager are broken. For example you
get %23hotosm-project-1018 instead of #hotosm-project-1018.
Or with project #1010 even a source=tms[22]:https://{switch:a,b,c,d}.
tiles.mapbox.com/v4/mapbox.satellite-kathmandu-20150425-after/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg?access_token=pk.eyJ1Ijoib3BlbnN0cmVldG1hcCIsImEiOiJhNVlHd29ZIn0.ti6wATGDWOmCnCYen-Ip7Q
http://tiles.mapbox.com/v4/mapbox.satellite-kathmandu-20150425-after/%7Bzoom%7D/%7Bx%7D/%7By%7D.jpg?access_token=pk.eyJ1Ijoib3BlbnN0cmVldG1hcCIsImEiOiJhNVlHd29ZIn0.ti6wATGDWOmCnCYen-Ip7Q.
I have experienced this issue with JOSM, I do not know if other editors
are affected as well.
Since I have seen the repeatedly I just wanted to raise the issue. I guess
this is probably a configuration issue, not a software problem.
Thanks keep on mapping
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Re: [HOT] Task manager changeset comments not working
This has been reported in the tasking manager issues.
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/513
I think it has also been reported in JOSM.
Pierre
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Augustin Doury augustindo...@gmail.com wrote:
We noticed the same problem in Burkina.
We use to copy/past from TM to JOSM the comment for each changeset because
# is everytime changing to %23,the UTF-8 character.
I mean if you copy/past it in JOSM before opening a changeset, it's ok. But
if you want to open a new changeset later, the # is always replaced by
%23.
So the issue is coming from JOSM.
Thanks, good luck,
Augustin
2015-05-01 18:02 GMT+00:00 Michael ohr...@gmail.com:
Working on some of the Nepal projects I noticed that the changeset
comments autogenerated in JOSM by Task Manager are broken. For example you
get %23hotosm-project-1018 instead of #hotosm-project-1018.
Or with project #1010 even a
source=tms[22]:https://{switch:a,b,c,d}.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/mapbox.satellite-kathmandu-20150425-after/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg?access_token=pk.eyJ1Ijoib3BlbnN0cmVldG1hcCIsImEiOiJhNVlHd29ZIn0.ti6wATGDWOmCnCYen-Ip7Q;.
I have experienced this issue with JOSM, I do not know if other editors
are affected as well.
Since I have seen the repeatedly I just wanted to raise the issue. I guess
this is probably a configuration issue, not a software problem.
Thanks keep on mapping
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Re: [HOT] [OSM-np] How to use post disaster DigitalGlobe Imagery in Id?
Hi Amrit,
There are several post disaster DigitalGlobe images (as well as other
providers) on the Google CrisisMap
(http://www.google.org/crisismap/2015-nepal-earthquake), and they can
now be traced in OSM.
Choose the image you are interested in the CrisisMap, using zoom to
area and toggling images on and off, and note its name.
URLs are listed for each name in this wiki page (that includes the 22
images online as of now) :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_imagery_hosted_by_Google_Crisis_Response
To get URL for iD, replace zoom by z in the URL for JOSM given in
the table.
For example, for Kathmandu 1 captured on Apr 27, URL for iD is:
http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054329691010_01_2015_04_27_maptiles/{x}_{y}_{z}.png
To change background in iD, choose Background parameters (shortcut is
B), then custom (or maybe personalized ?), and copy/paste the URL
for iD in the dialog box that opens.
Best wishes,
Jean-Guilhem
Le 01/05/2015 06:14, amrit karmacharya a écrit :
How can we bring the new post disaster Digital Image as background in
iD editor?
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[HOT] BBC License Violation?
Hi All, I was reading the below linked article on the BBC today and came across the map. It looks like they’re using OSM-derived internally displaced person (IDP) camp data without attribution. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20039682 Based on what I’m reading in the relevant coordination channels it appears that HOT / Kathmandu Living Labs are one of the main sources for IDP damage. This is confirmed by the obvious square shape of the southern camps shown. The shape appears to align with bounds of HOT task #1008. http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008 Likely this is an honest mistake from a BBC reporter who sourced the derived data from the Nepali government. Nonetheless it’s a violation and should be fixed. Is there anyone with BBC contacts who could try to have this sorted? I’ve written them through the generic Contact button but personal contacts are always quicker. Best, Robert — Sent from Mailbox___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Damage Proxy Map
Sharing this link with the community . Email includes brief explanation of the product. All, Here is the link to the Damage Proxy Map (DPM) produced by the ARIA team at JPL. http://aria-share.jpl.nasa.gov/events/20150425-Nepal_EQ/DPM/ARIA_DPM_v0.5u_CSKd_20150430.kmz Please read the message below to better understand the product and how to interpret it. In order to insert these 'Damage Proxy Map' (DPM) products into your damage assessment work flow for use in tasking search rescue teams at the earliest possible time, please find attached the DPM product. As the caption embedded in the KMZ file states, the data used are from the Italian Space Agency (ASI) COSMO-SkyMed satellite. Further details are in that caption. These initial DPM data for the Kathmandu area have been validated verified with several other data sets, but only to a limited degree because they were just generated on April 30, 2015. This DPM is intended to provide guidance for identifying damage to structures in urban areas. In vegetated areas and outside of the urban areas, the DPM is not intended to be useful for any other purposes so should not be interpreted or used for other purposes in those areas (e.g., we do not know if it can be used reliably for landslide mapping, etc. because vegetation changes all the time). We are finding that the DPM in many cases agrees very well with these existing products. It also identifies 'tips' (red areas) that coincide with damage that we can verify in the high-res EO imagery. In the places where we have spot-checked the DPM, in many cases it appears to us to perform very well. In other places, however, we must be clear in saying that it is not 100% accurate. Please accept the DPM as is and see if it can be useful to you. Past experience with DPMs from earthquakes, severe storms, and urban construction has shown good correlation between areas identified in the DPM as having significant change and damage to buildings and other urban structures. The KMZ includes the NGA damage assessment product (with purple, red dots indicating severe damage) and the DPM as a red-to-yellow scale layer. In some cases, DPM seems to have missed damage. In other areas, DPM indicates a 'tip' but the NGA product has no indication of damage. We also have seen several cases in which DPM indicates damaged buildings, and we see them for sure in the post-eq high-res EO, but they were not yet included in the NGA damage products (as of April 30). We hope for feedback from end users with the hope of improving future product releases. Sang-Ho Yun (sang-ho@jpl.nasa.gov) is the ARIA DPM technical contact and should be contacted for further information. Thanks, Ernesto Diaz -- *Chad Blevins* GeoCenter U.S. Global Development Lab USAID 202-712-0464 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation?
They will have to pay an interview for this :) Pierre De : Robert Banick rban...@gmail.com À : OSM Talk t...@openstreetmap.org; hot hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 17h18 Objet : [OSM-talk] BBC License Violation? Hi All, I was reading the below linked article on the BBC today and came across the map. It looks like they’re using OSM-derived internally displaced person (IDP) camp data without attribution. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/20039682 Based on what I’m reading in the relevant coordination channels it appears that HOT / Kathmandu Living Labs are one of the main sources for IDP damage. This is confirmed by the obvious square shape of the southern camps shown. The shape appears to align with bounds of HOT task #1008. http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1008 Likely this is an honest mistake from a BBC reporter who sourced the derived data from the Nepali government. Nonetheless it’s a violation and should be fixed. Is there anyone with BBC contacts who could try to have this sorted? I’ve written them through the generic Contact button but personal contacts are always quicker. Best,Robert — Sent from Mailbox ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators
Hey Severin, I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status, after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being able to map non-validated tasks. Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers' could guide the beginners here too. I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will be able to assist. Cheers, Mhairi On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced through the Activation. If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road network vs the rest). Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: NIck and I made this wikipage about it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish the job. Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and - clean everything with the validator - add mssing objects - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, according to the agreed scheme) Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please do. I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. Pierre -- *De :* Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH! Hi, We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an experienced mapper privileges status who would be required to have access to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts? Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org wrote: Fellow mappers, Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain from contributing. Heather already started drafting training support. When we circulate the tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to local community's group for newbies to find help. People also wanted to create screencast for specific tasks. As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) for some common critics, so people won't be scared away because they are to participate in a project others criticize: - Are the maps actually being used? - If this is used in critical mission, what happens when it's wrong or incomplete? - What's the point for tracing from pre-disaster imagery? Personally I am awkwardly glad that Naysayers outside our community switched from No one is going to use your stuff, you
Re: [HOT] HELP - JOSM on MacbookPro OS 10.6
Dig on the JOSM page there is a way to run java 6 and a specific earlier version of JOSM, it is known about and it is documented. Cheerio John On 30 April 2015 at 23:59, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: Thank you everyone. I can't run Java 7 on 10.6.8, so no JOSM for me. Really disappointing. Suzan On Apr 30, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Emir Hartato wrote: Hey Suzan, Any specific error message that you got when you launch JOSM? You might need to update your Java manually since Apple disabled automatic update for Java. So I assume you still stuck at version 6. Read more here: https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/java_mac.xml and there's a link to download the newer version. Good luck! On 1 May 2015 at 12:11, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: I am having difficulties getting JOSM to install and launch on a MacBookPro running 10.6.8. Help? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HELP - JOSM on MacbookPro OS 10.6
Yes here specificallyhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Mac#InstallationPlease link mac users to this. It would save on email traffic apart form anything else :-) At mapathons I've been heading there and using the JOSM version 7000 download link as quick way to get older mac users going. That usually works (though not ideal obviously) . I'm not sure what happens to people with MacOS between version 10.7 and 10.7.3 . The wiki page is unclear about that, but seems it doesn't apply to many people. Harry From: john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com To: Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com Cc: HOT@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, 1 May 2015, 12:31 Subject: Re: [HOT] HELP - JOSM on MacbookPro OS 10.6 Dig on the JOSM page there is a way to run java 6 and a specific earlier version of JOSM, it is known about and it is documented. Cheerio John On 30 April 2015 at 23:59, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: Thank you everyone. I can't run Java 7 on 10.6.8, so no JOSM for me. Really disappointing. Suzan On Apr 30, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Emir Hartato wrote: Hey Suzan, Any specific error message that you got when you launch JOSM? You might need to update your Java manually since Apple disabled automatic update for Java. So I assume you still stuck at version 6. Read more here: https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/java_mac.xml and there's a link to download the newer version. Good luck! On 1 May 2015 at 12:11, Suzan Reed su...@suzanreed.com wrote: I am having difficulties getting JOSM to install and launch on a MacBookPro running 10.6.8. Help? ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
