RMM HSM Question

2005-05-24 Thread Mark Wilson
Hello listers,

 

I have the following software stack:

 

  z/OS 1.4

  DFSMS/hsm

  DFSMS/rmm

 

We currently use HSM to do full  incremental volume backups on a daily
basis.

 

We are looking at changing some of our hardware with a view to exploiting
3592's.

 

Can I automatically (I can do most of the application stuff with JCL) stack
cartridges to a near full capacity using DFSMS/rmm and or HSM.

 

Is this possible?

 

If so how?

 

Kind Regards

 

Mark Wilson

Mob: +44 7768 617006

 


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Re: PARM Survey in Text Format

2005-05-24 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 5/23/2005 10:21:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

However,  it worked.  *I can read it*.  Thank you!

I noticed an anomaly:
We need this feature:  66% agree or strongly  agree
This should be a Share req:  43% ditto

Either some people use a different meaning of need 
than I do, or  they are (or I am) confused about the reasons 
for Share  requirements.




Yipee! I sent the RTF format to Don Ault, but haven't
heard back one way or the other.
 
As I was fighting with zoomerrang composing the Survey, the
thought just crossed my mind that this should really be a
SHARE requirement so just hung it on at the last minute to
kinda see what the group thought. Afraid I aided to the  confusion
in the manner and sequence of posing the questions.
 
Guess if we do this again, I'll ask for volunteers for a test
questionnaire. 

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Re: PARM=

2005-05-24 Thread Joe Zitzelberger
What bank would allow people to change JCL without control?  Or to 
implement a 'typeo' in production without testing?  Certainly not the 
bank I work for.


If every z/OS machine in the world had this option installed next 
Tuesday, absolutely nothing would break until someone changed 
something, code or JCL.


In stable environments where nothing changes, well, nothing would 
change -- no worries.


In more dynamic environments you again have two possibilities -- 
changes are tested for correctness or they are not.  Only in the final 
case is there even a risk of error.  A SOC4 or a harmless overlay might 
occur -- no worries and an easy fix or a dont-care.  Or the program 
might not recognize the 'typeo' on the JCL parm and offer a Unknown 
Parameter error.


In the final case -- untested changes with a harmful parm overlay -- 
well, you were already playing Russian roulette by not testing your 
changes -- you just shot yourself in the foot.  Of course, if you make 
a habit of not testing changes your feet are full of holes already.


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On May 23, 2005, at 6:33 PM, John Krew wrote:
I have to agree with Patrick and Peter on this.  I am a bit bewildered 
by the attitude of those on
the list that have pooh-poohed their down-to-earth objections with 
such academic-sounding
observations as well, there would be an insignificant number of 
programs showing that kind of

behavior.

I guess they have never worked for a bank ...

John Krew

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Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: PARM=


On Sat, 21 May 2005 00:13:14 -0400, Joe Zitzelberger 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

wrote:


On May 20, 2005, at 5:16 PM, Peter Hunkeler wrote:

How many of the programs designed to run in batch are coded to cope
with longer than 100 byte parms? ...


Many programs are.  ...


Ok.  So Peter asked the wrong question.  Forget about those that are
designed for the long parms.  What about all the gazillion programs 
that

are not?  All the accounting programs, manufacturing support programs,
time accounting programs, etc.; the home grown life-blood of industry 
(or

at least that part still on MVS).




Imagine some typo in the JCL makes the PARM longer than 100, say 102
bytes. ...


You have put the cart before the horse.  None of your existing,
functional, JCL passes a parm longer than 100 bytes ...
...
The fix is simple.  Just don't pass more than a program is expecting.
Today, that is a certain error (JCL error), tomorrow it will still be
an error (program not expecting error).  Either way it is an error.
Nothing in this change can break a program that is currently working
correctly today.



He said ... typo   Passing the additional data is unintentional.
Fine.  It's an error.  Only in one case you get a JCL error.  In the
other case you get in incorrectly executing problem that may or may 
not
abend.  It may meerly produce a totally bollixed General Ledger for 
the

month.  No problem unless your company cares about money.

Pat O'Keefe


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Re: Reading a PDS

2005-05-24 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Tue, 24 May 2005 06:53:00 +0100 James Cotter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

:I'm reading a member from a FB LRECL 80 library having first located it via 
BLDL and FIND. I am issuing READ macros and I'm getting the EODAD routine 
entered, as expected, when I get to the end of the member.
 
:What I would like to know is, if a member doesn't completely fill a block, 
how do you determine this is in the program - or rather, how do you determine 
the actual end of the member within the partially filled block??
 
:I have looked in the SMF Macro and Using Data Sets manuals but I can't see 
anything that explains this.

You have to subtract the residual count from the IOB (which is pointed to by
the DECB).

It should be in the using data sets manual.

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Re: Reading a PDS

2005-05-24 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Tue, 24 May 2005 07:52:32 +0100 James Cotter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

:Thanks Binyamin. However, I have looked again at the z/OS v1.4 DFSMS using 
data sets' manual and I can't see this mentioned anywhere. I find this quite 
strange for something so fundamental.

Look in using data sets.

3.6.7 Determining the Length of a Block when Reading with BSAM, BPAM, or BDAM 

:Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:On Tue, 24 May 2005 06:53:00 +0100 James Cotter 
:wrote:
:
::I'm reading a member from a FB LRECL 80 library having first located it via 
BLDL and FIND. I am issuing READ macros and I'm getting the EODAD routine 
entered, as expected, when I get to the end of the member.
:
::What I would like to know is, if a member doesn't completely fill a block, 
how do you determine this is in the program - or rather, how do you determine 
the actual end of the member within the partially filled block??
:
::I have looked in the SMF Macro and Using Data Sets manuals but I can't see 
anything that explains this.
:
:You have to subtract the residual count from the IOB (which is pointed to by
:the DECB).
:
:It should be in the using data sets manual.


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Re: msgIEW2509S

2005-05-24 Thread Big Iron
For what it's worth, I put some notes on dbx at
   http://members.tripod.com/billlalonde/oehist.htm
(Best viewed without JavaScript enabled).

  Bill

On Fri, 20 May 2005 07:53:44 +0200, Barbara Nitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brian,
I appreciate the help! I had gone directly to the service aids book and
never looked at the PM manual.
I suspect that my executable was bound at a higher release than z/OS 1.4
(which is what we still are). I don't want to re-bind, I just want to get a
clearer indication (maybe a name) of the csects we're executing in.
Bill, I'll ask our Domino/UNIX guys to try dbx (I am really illiterate in
all things UNIX), but I don't hold my breath. I am ready to scream, anyway,
as IBM level 2 tells me that In general, loops are one of the most
difficult things to find in a dump since they occur over time and the dump
only provides a snapshot.
And in the clear face of a systrace full of entries like:
00 001D 008E1970   EXT  1005 078D2400 9473042E
I am being told Also, analysis of the systrace for TCB:008E1970 does not
show a loop in this 4 second period. (4 seconds is my trace table)
Grr
Best regards, Barbara


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Re: Reading a PDS

2005-05-24 Thread Bill Fairchild
 
In a message dated 5/24/2005 12:53:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What I  would like to know is, if a member doesn't completely fill a block, 
how do you  determine this is in the program - or rather, how do you determine 
the actual  end of the member within the partially filled  block??



The access method builds a CCW (Channel Command Word) to read one block  with 
the maximum block size (aka record size) in the CCW's byte count.  If  it 
builds Format 0 CCWs, the byte count is in bytes 6-7 of the read CCW, else  
bytes 
2-3 for a Format 1 CCW.  When the I/O channel program runs, the DASD  control 
unit attempts to read BLOCKSIZE number of bytes from the disk for that  block 
(aka record).  If exactly BLOCKSIZE bytes are contained in that  block, then 
the residual count will be 0.  If fewer than BLOCKSIZE bytes  are in that 
block, which could occur anywhere within the member (except for the  EOF block 
at 
the end), then the residual count will not be 0.  In all  cases, take 
BLOCKSIZE and subtract the residual count to determine how many  bytes were 
read.  The 
residual count is stored in the IOB after the I/O  ends in the field IOBCSW+5 
and BLOCKSIZE is in the DCB.  For some reason  IBM did not give the residual 
count field a name in the IOB DSECT.  The  comment simply says last two bytes 
of IOBCSW.  The last two bytes of the  CSW contain the residual count (see 
Principles of Operations).  Expand the  DCB DSECT and you should be able to 
find the blocksize field from the comment  block size.
 
You will know when an EOF block has been read because the Unit Exception  bit 
(IOBUSB7) will be on in IOBUSTAT.  It will not be on otherwise.
 
The IOB is mapped with SYS1.MACLIB(IEZIOB) and the DCB with  SYS1.MACLIB(DCB).
 
I may have a field name or two wrong in the above, as it has been many  years 
since I used an IOB, but the logic is correct:  find the block size  and 
subtract the residual count; and look for unit exception to indicate  EOF.
 
Bill Fairchild

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Re: RMM HSM Question

2005-05-24 Thread SArnett
If you throw TMM into the mix, it is quite easy.  TMM(Tape mount 
Manager) works with SMS to turn tape mounts into disk file writes, even 
to the point of reblocking for optimum disk use.  Then you configure HSM 
to migrate your TMM datasets to tape when the TMM volumes are xx% full.


Mark Wilson wrote:


Hello listers,



I have the following software stack:



 z/OS 1.4

 DFSMS/hsm

 DFSMS/rmm



We currently use HSM to do full  incremental volume backups on a daily
basis.



We are looking at changing some of our hardware with a view to exploiting
3592's.



Can I automatically (I can do most of the application stuff with JCL) stack
cartridges to a near full capacity using DFSMS/rmm and or HSM.



Is this possible?



If so how?



Kind Regards



Mark Wilson

Mob: +44 7768 617006




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Re: PARM=

2005-05-24 Thread Joe Zitzelberger

On May 24, 2005, at 3:16 AM, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM wrote:


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In a recent note, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM said:


Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:33:12 +0200

You don't have to change the JCL to change the PARM if it is 
specified

by

the operator on the Start-command, or is built from symbolics.


How can you change a symbolic without changing JCL?



By specifying in the JCL:
//  INCLUDE MEMBER=xxx
where xxx is filled externally regularly with new values. We use is to
include e.g. all sorts of date variables in our production JCL.

Kees.


That one routinely makes the rounds under the guise of using system 
symbols in JCL.


So what you are saying is you have something today, perhaps this:

SET LDATE='Tuesday, the 24th of May, 2005'
SET SDATE='24-05-2005'

And you are worried that when the date rolls to something longer, 
perhaps:


SET LDATE='Tuesday, the 24th of December, 2005'
SET SDATE='24-12-2005'

That LDATE is going to push a parm past 100-bytes?

This is possible, but if it could happen, your system today would 
provide you with JCL errors on the long named months.


If your program freaks out one morning and starts putting in the 
include member:


SET SDATE='abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ'

Then you have a valid point -- but I would say, you need to go back to 
the oft asked question: 'what changed'?



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Re: Filezilla FTP updated 2.2.13c May 3, 2005 my last z/OS bug squash ed

2005-05-24 Thread Dave Cartwright
On Mon, 23 May 2005 15:54:39 -0400, Knutson, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

FileZilla is a fast FTP and SFTP client for Windows with a lot of features
available as GPL (free distribution source and binary) software. I like it!


http://filezilla.sourceforge.net/

The latest release is 2.2.13c May 3, 2005

You should download the latest release from the project page. The project
leader Tim Kosse has officially closed my last z/OS related bug report item
#942941, which was opened at 2004-04-27 as resolved in the current release.
I retested and it seems to be working fine to me with z/OS R4 so if you can
find any problems I suggest you open a bug report with the project.

FileZilla is FREE as in BEER and as in SOURCE == SPEECH

SeaGull Free FTP continues to be a great, free, OCO, GUI FTP client for
MVS.

http://www.seagullsoftware.com/products/free_ftp.html

 Best Regards,

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How very apt is your cookie jar - did you borrow it from Volke?
They want you to download an .EXE file! Doh!
Nanny doesn't like that and won't let naughty boys play with things that
might damage their toy box. That's another product I won't be trying, then.
I use WFTPD from Texas Software - you can download a .zip file which Nanny
doesn't mind and you don't need Administrator privileges to install it.
A great little FTP Server.


Dave

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Re: Filezilla FTP updated 2.2.13c May 3, 2005 my last z/OS bug sq uash ed

2005-05-24 Thread Knutson, Sam
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=21558

.ZIP is provided for both executable and source.  I personally download the
.exe with the Windows installer but you have choices including even
downloading the full source and building your own executable.  

Thanks, Sam

-Original Message-
How very apt is your cookie jar - did you borrow it from Volke? They want
you to download an .EXE file! Doh! Nanny doesn't like that and won't let
naughty boys play with things that might damage their toy box. That's
another product I won't be trying, then. I use WFTPD from Texas Software -
you can download a .zip file which Nanny doesn't mind and you don't need
Administrator privileges to install it. A great little FTP Server.


Dave



 
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Re: RMM HSM Question

2005-05-24 Thread Greg Shirey
Mark,

Search the DFSMShsm manuals for the word STACK.

HTH,
Greg Shirey
Ben E. Keith Company

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Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 12:55 AM
snip

We currently use HSM to do full  incremental volume backups on a daily
basis.

We are looking at changing some of our hardware with a view to exploiting
3592's.

Can I automatically (I can do most of the application stuff with JCL) stack
cartridges to a near full capacity using DFSMS/rmm and or HSM.

Is this possible?

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Re: PARM=

2005-05-24 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Joe Zitzelberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 On May 24, 2005, at 3:16 AM, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM wrote:
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
  news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  In a recent note, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM said:
 
  Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:33:12 +0200
 
  You don't have to change the JCL to change the PARM if it is 
  specified
  by
  the operator on the Start-command, or is built from symbolics.
 
  How can you change a symbolic without changing JCL?
 
 
  By specifying in the JCL:
  //  INCLUDE MEMBER=xxx
  where xxx is filled externally regularly with new values. We use is to
  include e.g. all sorts of date variables in our production JCL.
 
  Kees.
 
 That one routinely makes the rounds under the guise of using system 
 symbols in JCL.
 
 So what you are saying is you have something today, perhaps this:
 
   SET LDATE='Tuesday, the 24th of May, 2005'
   SET SDATE='24-05-2005'
 
 And you are worried that when the date rolls to something longer, 
 perhaps:
 
   SET LDATE='Tuesday, the 24th of December, 2005'
   SET SDATE='24-12-2005'
   
 That LDATE is going to push a parm past 100-bytes?
 
 This is possible, but if it could happen, your system today would 
 provide you with JCL errors on the long named months.
 
 If your program freaks out one morning and starts putting in the 
 include member:
 
   SET
SDATE='abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ'
 
 Then you have a valid point -- but I would say, you need to go back to 
 the oft asked question: 'what changed'?
 

Yes, this an example of what I meant.

I reacted to the statement that you cannot extend the parm over 100 bytes
without changing the JCL. You can with INCLUDEd SET statements.

The date variables are an example of how they are used today. Tomorrow they
might be used for companynames, productcodes etc. etc. that can be
reorganized overnigth from short cryptic to long explanatory names.

Kees.


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Re: PARM=

2005-05-24 Thread Bruce Black



And why would you expect an application programmer writing in COBOL to even
know that manual exists?  Why should he/she even know it's possible for
the programs to be invoked by anything other than EXEC PGM=... )where a
100-byte parm limit has existed forever)?

And why do you expect that COBOL programmer is even aware of the 
100-byte JCL limitation?  The JCL Reference is a big manual


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Re: Using IP attached printer for TMS Labels

2005-05-24 Thread Hall, Ken (IDS DCS PE)
Do you have any idea where we can get the code for EARL?  Any particular place 
in CA we should try?

Also, we're JES3, do you think this will make any difference?

Thanks.

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 Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Using IP attached printer for TMS Labels
 
 
 Ken -
 
 We just recently implemented this function.  We use an IBM 
 4400 driven by
 PSF over TCP/IP to produce the labels.  It's all fairly 
 strighforward, but
 we had some difficulty getting TMS to spit out individual 
 labels.  I'm not
 the TMS support person, but I know that CA pointed us in the right
 direction--I think that it had something to do with EARL and 
 adding a few
 lines of code to an exit.  I'm sure that I can dig up the details if
 necessary.  The only other issue that we had was trying to 
 ensure that we
 got a label for the every type of CLOSE that we felt should produce a
 label.
 
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Re: Varying consoles offline

2005-05-24 Thread salah Balboul
Are getting any error messages from your Vary commands?


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I've got a problem with consoles in my sysplex.  We're trying to add a
new LPAR and it's pushed us over the 99 consoles limit.  I'd like to
delete some consoles that I don't need but can't seem to get the VARY CN
command to work.  My consoles that I want to get rid of look like:
SYSPP0197  COND=SS AUTH=ALL  NBUF=N/A
   ROUTCDE=NONE  

Can anyone help?

Thanks,

Jim Horne
Lowe's Companies, Inc.

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Re: Varying consoles offline

2005-05-24 Thread Horne, Jim - James S
I get
V CN(SYSPP01),OFFLINE   
IEE274I VARY CN  CONSOLE SYSPP01   NOT VALID
But I've checked and I've also used the console number (97) and get the
same message.  If I IPL that LPAR with a changed CONSOLxx member will it
kick these consoles I don't want out since they will not be in any
active definitions?

Thanks,

Jim Horne
Lowe's Companies, Inc.

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 Are getting any error messages from your Vary commands?
 
 
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 I've got a problem with consoles in my sysplex.  We're trying to add
 a
 new LPAR and it's pushed us over the 99 consoles limit.  I'd like to
 delete some consoles that I don't need but can't seem to get the
 VARY CN
 command to work.  My consoles that I want to get rid of look like:
 SYSPP0197  COND=SS AUTH=ALL  NBUF=N/A
ROUTCDE=NONE
 
 Can anyone help?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jim Horne
 Lowe's Companies, Inc.
 
 
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Re: AW: Converting CA-MIM to GRS

2005-05-24 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 23 May 2005 22:31:43 +0200, Jon Renton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have now also seen, that CA-MIM uses a VSAM dataset to coordinate
resources across multiple Sysplexes.

On Mon, 23 May 2005 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL
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Actually, it's a linear dataset.

Since when?  It's always been a PS file as far as I know.  BTW, the
best method to use if you don't have a CF or can't use one because
of sharing between sysplexes is CTC communications.

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Re: Varying consoles offline

2005-05-24 Thread Horne, Jim - James S
I get
D C,CN=(97)
IEE889I 10.26.15 CONSOLE DISPLAY 849   
MSG: CURR=5LIM=3000 RPLY:CURR=5LIM=60   SYS=B090  PFK=00   
 CONSOLE/ALTID  --- SPECIFICATIONS --- 
 SYSPP0197  COND=SS AUTH=ALL  NBUF=N/A 
ROUTCDE=NONE   

So it's a subsystem allocatable console.  Do you know how I can get rid
of it?

Thanks,

Jim Horne
Lowe's Companies, Inc.

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 Subject: Re: Varying consoles offline
 
 Issue:
 
 D C,CN=(xx)

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Re: PARM=

2005-05-24 Thread Steve Comstock

Paul Gilmartin wrote:

In a recent note, Bruce Black said:



Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 09:49:27 -0400

And why do you expect that COBOL programmer is even aware of the
100-byte JCL limitation?  The JCL Reference is a big manual



I believe Bill Klein provided the correct answer from the COBOL
perspective in:

http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0505L=ibm-mainD=1O=DP=152693

I yield to his expertise and dutiful research.  Apparently an LE
manual example presumes the 100-character limit for COBOL and PL/I.

-- gil


What's really wierd is that LE has a callable service for
obtaining the JCL parm value and it limits the return
string to 80 characters!

Kind regards,

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Re: Varying consoles offline

2005-05-24 Thread Martin Reeday
I think you probably need to run the IEARELCN program to completely remove the 
console name from the Sysplex. 

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Subject: Varying consoles offline


I've got a problem with consoles in my sysplex.  We're trying to add a
new LPAR and it's pushed us over the 99 consoles limit.  I'd like to
delete some consoles that I don't need but can't seem to get the VARY CN
command to work.  My consoles that I want to get rid of look like:
SYSPP0197  COND=SS AUTH=ALL  NBUF=N/A
   ROUTCDE=NONE  

Can anyone help?

Thanks,

Jim Horne
Lowe's Companies, Inc.

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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Jim Liebert
Hi John,

I was sorry to see no answers come across for your question.

I like Adobe just fine but for going through a set of manuals BookManager
is superior.   When you google it there are a lot of xxx2PDF and PDF2xxx
type programs but I couldn't find any for BookManager.  Bummer.

You can add pdf files to your shelves and as books within BookManager but
the result is less than satisfying.

As an aside - Compuware is currently surveying their customers as to
whether to keep books in pdf/bookmanager/html format(s).   So if you're a
Compuware site you can log onto Frontline (the tech support site) and vote
for your favorite.  I vote retain BookManager!

Jim

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Re: Varying consoles offline

2005-05-24 Thread salah Balboul
To use  IEARELCN program, the sub-system console must be released first.

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Re: where this command comes from ?

2005-05-24 Thread Lizette Koehler

Is it possible that one user has a command defined on the LOGON PANEL

Lizette Koehler

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Re: PARM=

2005-05-24 Thread john gilmore
For PL/I there is a simple circumvention of the 100-character limit 
available.



From the current Programming Guide:




Specifying options in the EXEC statement using an options file

Another way to specify options in the EXEC statement is by declaring all 
your options in an
options file and coding the following: //STEP1 EXEC 
PGM=IBMZPLI,PARM=’+DD:OPTIONS’ This
method allows you to provide a consistent set of options that you 
frequently use. This is
especially effective if you want other programmers to use a common set of 
options. It also gets

you past the 100-character limit.



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RMM Question.

2005-05-24 Thread Hal Merritt
I receive a lot of RACF violation messages (sample below) that I believe
to be rooted in a tape label gone bad. The RMM FM is a little confusing
on what is going on. My security czar is grumping about a cluttered
violation report. 

 

Q1: Am I correct? Is this nothing more than a bad tape?

 

Q2: What, if anything, should I be doing differently? 

 

Q3: Is RMM trying to correct (rewrite) the label, and should that be
allowed?   

 

 

IEC512I LBL ERR 0580,  ,NL,PRIVAT,SL,MYJOB,FULLBKP,MY.DSN


ICH408I USER(BATCH ) GROUP(BATCH ) NAME(PRODUCTION USER) 829   

  STGADMIN.EDG.LABEL. CL(FACILITY)  

  INSUFFICIENT ACCESS AUTHORITY 

  FROM STGADMIN.EDG.* (G)   

  ACCESS INTENT(ALTER  )  ACCESS ALLOWED(NONE   )   

EDG4042I VOLUME REJECTED. NL OR NSL VOLUME NOT SUPPORTED FOR A  

NON-SPECIFIC REQUEST

EDG4005E VOLUME NL ON 0580 REJECTED FOR USE BY MYJOB, FULLBKP,   

OFFSITE

 

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Re: where this command comes from ?

2005-05-24 Thread Daniel Cremieux
The logon proc is :
(...)
//IKJPRI06 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01,DYNAMNBR=80,REGION=4096K,PARM='%£IKJPRIM'
(...)


/* REXX -*/
TRACE O
PARSE UPPER ARG AR1
VAR. = ' '
IF  WORDS(AR1) ^= 0   THEN  TRACE R   /* AFFICHAGE ??  */
/**/
/*  PAS DE PREFIXE*/
/**/
 PROFILE NOPREFIX
/**/
/* RECUPERATION DU SMFID  */
/**/
  SMFID = £SMFID(SMFID)
/**/
/*DSNAME POUR DDNAME ISPPROF  */
/*   ISPTABL  */
   /**/
PROFILE = USERID()'.'SMFID'.ISPF.ISPPROF'
   /**/
   /*ALLOCATION FICHIER PROFILE  */
   /**/
X = OUTTRAP(ERR.)
ALLOC FI(ISPPROF) DA('PROFILE') REUSE  SHR
IF RC ^= 0 THEN DO
IF SMFID = TSO4 THEN DO
 X = OUTTRAP(OFF)
 ALLOC FI(ISPPROF) DA('PROFILE')  SP(15 2) TRACKS DIR(40) UNIT(3380)
   DSORG(PO) RECFM(F B) LRECL(80) BLKSIZE(3120) VOLUME(B00160)
END
ELSE DO  /* AUTRE = SYSALLDA */
 X = OUTTRAP(OFF)
 ALLOC FI(ISPPROF) DA('PROFILE')  SP(30 3) TRACKS DIR(40)
 UNIT(SYSALLDA) DSORG(PO) RECFM(F B) LRECL(80) BLKSIZE(3120)
END
IF RC  = 0 THEN SAY '' ''PROFILE'  RE-CREE'
END
ALLOC FI(ISPTABL) DA('PROFILE') REUSE  SHR
 UGROUP = SUBSTR(USERID(),2,2)
 SELECT
 WHEN (UGROUP = AD )THEN EINIT = '£IKJTEC' /* ADM RACF   */
 WHEN (UGROUP = AQ )THEN EINIT = '£IKJTEC' /* QUALITE*/
 WHEN (UGROUP = MA )THEN EINIT = '£IKJPRO' /* MAINT PROD */
 WHEN (UGROUP = DI )THEN EINIT = '£IKJPRO' /*DIO */
 WHEN (UGROUP = EB )THEN EINIT = '£IKJETU' /*  ETUDES*/
 WHEN (UGROUP = ET )THEN EINIT = '£IKJETU' /*  ETUDES*/
 WHEN (UGROUP = ED )THEN EINIT = '£IKJETU' /* ARCH SYS DO*/
 WHEN (UGROUP = IN )THEN EINIT = '£IKJBUR' /* BUREAUTIQUE*/
 WHEN (UGROUP = ME )THEN EINIT = '£IKJETU' /* MAINT. RGV */
 WHEN (UGROUP = RE )THEN EINIT = '£IKJTEC' /*  RESEAU*/
 WHEN (UGROUP = ST )THEN EINIT = '£IKJTEC' /* SUPPORT*/
 WHEN (UGROUP = SY )THEN EINIT = '£IKJTEC' /* SYSTEME*/
 WHEN (UGROUP = EB )THEN EINIT = '£IKJTEC' /* SYST. BRUX.*/
 WHEN (UGROUP = GR )THEN EINIT = '£IKJPRO' /* PRODUCTION */
 WHEN (UGROUP = GS )THEN EINIT = '£IKJPRO' /* PRODUCTION */
 WHEN (UGROUP = PI )THEN EINIT = '£IKJBBE' /* PRODUCTION */
 WHEN (UGROUP = RS )THEN EINIT = '£IKJPRO' /* PRODUCTION */
 WHEN (UGROUP = RU )THEN EINIT = '£IKJETU' /*   RECETTE  */
 WHEN (UGROUP = CT )THEN EINIT = '£IKJETU' /*   COMPTA   */
 WHEN (UGROUP = IC )THEN EINIT = '£IKJETU' /* = COMPTA   */
  OTHERWISE EINIT   =  '£IKJDEF'   /* OU DEFAUT  */
  END
INITIAL:   /*   EXECUTION   */
 INTERPRET 'CALL' EINIT
 IF EINIT ^= £IKJTEC THEN  DO
   IF RESULT  = 99 THEN LOGOFF/* FIN NORMALE   */
   IF RESULT ^= 99 THEN EINIT /*PB ? - RE-EXEC*/
   END
 IF EINIT  = £IKJTEC THEN  DO
   SAY '  '
   SAY '   *--*'
   SAY '   * L :   RE-LOGON   *'
   SAY '   * I :   RE-INIT*'
   SAY '   * X :   LOGOFF *'
   SAY '   *--*'
   SAY '   '
   END

==

member : £IKJTEC
TRACE O
  IF  SMFID   = 'TSO2' THEN  BBHELP  = 'SYS3.BBE.V2R0M8.BBHELP'
  ELSE   BBHELP  = 'SYSN.BBE.BBHELP'  */
 PROF INTER NOPREF MSGID WTPMSG MODE REC 
 PDF PANEL(£ISPMTC) OPT(ST) NEWAPPL(ISP)
EXIT   99


=
I don't see any connection to the launch of $ST ... is there any exit
launched before, and where it is configured ??

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Re: Using IP attached printer for TMS Labels

2005-05-24 Thread Larre Shiller
On Tue, 24 May 2005 10:58:36 -0400, Hall, Ken (IDS DCS PE)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Great, one more question:

Do you route the output via SYSOUT class, or DEST?

Thanks.

You are welcome.  One more answer:  We use DEST!

Larre

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Re: Assembler

2005-05-24 Thread Steve Comstock

Paul Hanrahan wrote:

Hi,
 
Anyone know where the assembler list server is ?  I used to subcribe to

the assembler list but lost track of it.
 
Paul Hanrahan


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Re: PARM=

2005-05-24 Thread Ray Mullins
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock
 Sent: Tuesday 24 May 2005 07:51
 
 What's really wierd is that LE has a callable service for 
 obtaining the JCL parm value and it limits the return string 
 to 80 characters!

If the lengthening of PARM does go through, then I hope that all of IBM MF
is tasked to check for restrictions like this.

I wonder what LE for z/VSE does in this area.  z/VSE has had PARMs  100
characters for a long time.

Later,
Ray

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Re: Fw: This is a short PARM length survey via Zoomerang

2005-05-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
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Previously posted.

Thanks; I saw a reference to it after I posted my question. No you; it
puts up the questionnaire would doesn't respond when I click on a
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Re: where this command comes from ?

2005-05-24 Thread Big Iron
Among other things, £XCMDS seems to search the ISPCMDS table for a command
associated with the verb LOGON and executes that command if it exists
in the table. The ISPCMDS table would be normally be found in the ISPF
profile dataset.

Bill


On Tue, 24 May 2005 10:05:13 -0500, Daniel Cremieux [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Dear all ,

I have two users, they use the same logon proc, but one has a command
issued at the beginning of the session. By tracing them i have this :

14:39   Start of ISPF Log - - -  - Session £ 527 
14:39  TSO - Command  -  - %$ST
14:39  TSO - Command  -  - %£XCMDS
14:39  TSO - Command  -  - EX 'ASY0050.TSOA.EXEC(LOGON)' EX
14:39  TSO - Command  -  - %£ST
14:39  TSO - Command  -  - %£STDBUG N
14:39  TSO - Command  -  - %£STDBUG N ISR
14:39  TSO - Command  -  - %£STDBUG N
14:39  TSO - Command  -  - %£MSGINF
14:39  TSO - Command  -  - %£ALARM
 Bottom of Data ***

The difference is this line :
14:39  TSO - Command  -  - EX 'ASY0050.TSOA.EXEC(LOGON)' EX

I've checked the commands executed in this trace to find where this line
can come from, but there is nothing about this.

Can you help me to find where this command is coded ? Is there anyhting in
the ispf profile dataset which can launch it ?



Using ISRDDN i found the contents of these commands and here is their
contents :

Member : $ST
/* REXX */
TRACE N
  ADDRESS ISPEXEC
  SELECT CMD(%£XCMDS)
  SELECT CMD(%£ST)
  SELECT CMD(%£MSGINF)
  SELECT CMD(%£ALARM)
EXIT

Member £XCMDS : i don't know whet it does .

 /* REXX */  /* Extend Cmds tbl */
 Parse Upper Arg Option
 Interpret 'Trace' £Trace()
 Address ISPEXEC
 TBQUERY ISPCMDS NAMES(varname)
 TBSTATS ISPCMDS STATUS2(sta2name)
 If sta2name /= 4 Then Do/* ISPCMDS isn't SHARE NOWRITE  */
msg = 'ISPCMDS is not Updatable'
Call Failed
 End
 varname = Left(varname,Length(varname)-1)!!' APPL)'
 TBOPEN £USRXCMD LIBRARY(ISPPROF) SHARE
 If Rc = 8 Then, /* New User */
TBCREATE £USRXCMD NAMESvarname REPLACE LIBRARY(ISPPROF) SHARE
 If Rc  12 Then Do
msg = 'ISPF/PDF Table Management Error Rc=' rc
Call Failed
 End
TBTOP £USRXCMD
zctverb = ''
TBSCAN £USRXCMD ARGLIST(ZCTVERB)
Do while(rc=0)
   TBDELETE £USRXCMD
   TBSCAN £USRXCMD ARGLIST(ZCTVERB)
End
TBQUERY £USRXCMD ROWNUM(rownum)
If rownum = 0 Then Do
   Zctverb = ''
   Zcttrunc = 0
   Zctact   = 'SELECT CMD(%) SUSPEND PASSLIB'
   Zctdesc  = '?'
   TBADD £USRXCMD
End
If Abbrev('EDIT',Option,1) Then Do  /* Edit Extend User CMDS Table  */
   TBDISPL £USRXCMD PANEL(£XCMDP)
   Do while (Rc  8)/* Leave Edit   */
  Do while (Ztdsels  0)
 TBPUT £USRXCMD   /* Edit in place*/
 Select
When (Sl = 'I') Then Do /* Create New   */
Zctverb = ''
Zcttrunc = 0
Zctact   = 'SELECT CMD(%) SUSPEND PASSLIB'
Zctdesc  = '?'
TBADD £USRXCMD
End
When (Sl = 'R') Then,   /* Repeat Line  */
TBMOD £USRXCMD
When (Sl = 'T') Then Do /* Execute  */
TBDELETE £USRXCMD
TBTOP £USRXCMD
TBADD £USRXCMD
End
When (Sl = 'X') Then Do /* Execute  */
CONTROL ERRORS RETURN
If appl /= '' Then,
zctact = zctact 'NEWAPPL('appl')'
Zctact
If Rc  4 Then SETMSG MSG(£SRZ004)
CONTROL ERRORS CANCEL
End
When (Sl = 'D') Then Do /* Delete Line  */
TBDELETE £USRXCMD
TBQUERY £USRXCMD ROWNUM(rownum)
If rownum = 0 Then Do  /* Add Model Line*/
   Zctverb = ''
   Zcttrunc = 0
Zctact   = 'SELECT CMD(%) SUSPEND PASSLIB'
   Zctdesc  = '?'
   TBADD £USRXCMD
   TBTOP £USRXCMD
End
End
Otherwise Nop
 End
 TBDISPL £USRXCMD POSITION(CRP)
  End
  If Rc  8 Then Do
 If Zcmd /= '' Then Call Lcmd
 Else TBDISPL £USRXCMD POSITION(CRP)
  End
   End
End
sadd=0
smod=0
TBOPEN £SICXCMD SHARE NOWRITE /* General Added CMDS   */
If Rc = 0 Then Do
   TBBOTTOM £SICXCMD
   Do While (Rc=0)
  If Zctverb /= '' Then Do
 TBTOP ISPCMDS
 TBSCAN ISPCMDS ARGLIST(ZCTVERB) NOREAD
 If Rc = 0 Then Do
TBDELETE ISPCMDS
 TBTOP ISPCMDS
 TBADD ISPCMDS
 smod = smod + 1
  End
  

Re: where this command comes from ?

2005-05-24 Thread McKown, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Cremieux
 Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:05 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: where this command comes from ?
 
 
 Dear all ,
 
 I have two users, they use the same logon proc, but one has a command
 issued at the beginning of the session. By tracing them i have this :
 
 14:39   Start of ISPF Log - - -  - Session £ 527 
 
 14:39  TSO - Command  -  - %$ST
 14:39  TSO - Command  -  - %£XCMDS
 14:39  TSO - Command  -  - EX 'ASY0050.TSOA.EXEC(LOGON)' EX
 14:39  TSO - Command  -  - %£ST
 14:39  TSO - Command  -  - %£STDBUG N
 14:39  TSO - Command  -  - %£STDBUG N ISR
 14:39  TSO - Command  -  - %£STDBUG N
 14:39  TSO - Command  -  - %£MSGINF
 14:39  TSO - Command  -  - %£ALARM
  Bottom of Data ***
 
 The difference is this line :
 14:39  TSO - Command  -  - EX 'ASY0050.TSOA.EXEC(LOGON)' EX
 

In the COMMAND field on the logon panel. See below;

--- TSO/E LOGON ---


  ,Enter LOGON parameters below:  ,RACF LOGON parameters:

 , Userid===,XXX999 ,   ,  ,,

 , Password  ===,,  , New Password ===,,

 , Procedure ===,$TSPDFT ,  , Group Ident  ===,,

 , Acct Nmbr ===,H0I ,

 , Size  ===,6  ,

 , Perform   ===,   ,

 , Command   ===,
  ,
  ,Enter an 'S' before each option desired below:,
  , ,S,-Nomail,   , ,S,-Nonotice,  , ,S,-Reconnect,  , , ,-OIDcard ,

PF1/PF13 == HelpPF3/PF15 == LogoffPA1 == AttentionPA2 == Reshow
You may request specific help information by entering a '?' in any entry field

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Re: AW: Converting CA-MIM to GRS

2005-05-24 Thread Norman Hollander
I agree Mark.  Still looks like a PS file to me.  Would have to check if
there is an option for a linear data set. But I don't think so.  CTCs are
best for communicating outside of the Sysplex.  Many sites are using XCF
and CF Structures.

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On Mon, 23 May 2005 22:31:43 +0200, Jon Renton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have now also seen, that CA-MIM uses a VSAM dataset to coordinate
resources across multiple Sysplexes.

On Mon, 23 May 2005 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL
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Actually, it's a linear dataset.

Since when?  It's always been a PS file as far as I know.  BTW, the
best method to use if you don't have a CF or can't use one because
of sharing between sysplexes is CTC communications.

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Re: Fw: PARM=

2005-05-24 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Tue, 24 May 2005 11:52:35 -0500 Bill Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

:z/VSE recognized the problem and introduced the new CEE5PRML callable
:service, see:

:  http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/fl2pre05/3.17 

300 character limit.

:IBM has indicated at previous SHARE meetings that the requirement

:  SSLNGC0313586:  Enhance CEE3PRM Callable Service  

:will me met in a timely manner - even though they have NOT yet marked it
:as accepted. (It is still in status RC.)  I would expect it to be
:resolved in a semi-compatible way with the current VSE solution.
:
:Ray Mullins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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:  What's really wierd is that LE has a callable service for 
:  obtaining the JCL parm value and it limits the return string 
:  to 80 characters!
 
: If the lengthening of PARM does go through, then I hope that all of IBM MF
: is tasked to check for restrictions like this.

: I wonder what LE for z/VSE does in this area.  z/VSE has had PARMs  100
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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Thomas Conley

Bravo for providing documentation ion all 3 formats.  I encourage all
vendors to do so and really get on their case when they decide to drop a
format, which unfortunately is usually BookManager.

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Question to the list:  WTF is anyone still using BookMangler format?  After 
Adobe created their new search feature in Adobe 6 (if you're still running 
Adobe 5, go download 7 NOW), there's no reason to continue to use 
BookMangler.  The only reason to use it in the first place was the superior 
search capability, but now that Adobe has that function, bye-bye BM!!


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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Imbriale, Donald (Exchange)
It's o'dark thirty.  Production job down.  Application developer needs
access to doc.  They're logged on from home directly into z/OS.
BookManager is right there.  Got what they need, fix the problem, job
reruns, life is good.

Don Imbriale


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 Bravo for providing documentation ion all 3 formats.  I encourage all
 vendors to do so and really get on their case when they decide to
drop a
 format, which unfortunately is usually BookManager.

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Question to the list:  WTF is anyone still using BookMangler format?
After
Adobe created their new search feature in Adobe 6 (if you're still
running
Adobe 5, go download 7 NOW), there's no reason to continue to use
BookMangler.  The only reason to use it in the first place was the
superior
search capability, but now that Adobe has that function, bye-bye BM!!

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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Greg Shirey
Isn't it easier to select and cut a block of text (to copy into an email,
say) from BM than  Adobe? 

Greg

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Question to the list:  WTF is anyone still using BookMangler format?  After 
Adobe created their new search feature in Adobe 6 (if you're still running 
Adobe 5, go download 7 NOW), there's no reason to continue to use 
BookMangler.  The only reason to use it in the first place was the superior 
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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
...

2) Some folks have no control of what applications/versions are
   on their desktops.
...

That is a poor excuse.
If you need it to do your job, you should have the capability installed.

Standard desktops make administrative (read $) sense,
but most IT-types need non-standard stuff.

I just went through this at my new shop.
Articulate your needs, rather than b*tch!

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Re: PDF vs BookManager

2005-05-24 Thread McKown, John
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snip

 
 Yes, I do have Adobe Reader 7.0.  And No, I still don't think 
 it's better than BookManager.  Imagine being at home trying 
 to shoot a problem over a dial-up connection (some of us live 
 in broad-band deprived areas),  when the single manual page 
 you need is buried in the middle of a 5MB PDF.
 

And, I've noticed that some PDFs have a Table of Contents that you can
click on to go directly to a section in the PDF. But, in my experience,
this is RARE. IIRC, none of the CA manuals that I have can do this. I
don't remember any IBM manuals that can do this either. So I must jump
directly to some page number and hope that I get near what I need. The
pgdn/pgup to try to find what I'm looking for.

PDFs, IMO, are wonderful to print from. They are nice for serial reading
(oh, how do I bookmark so that I come back to where I left off?). The
stink for doing multi-book finds. Especially if the author of the books
didn't create a search index for them.


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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Hi Tom,

I have Adobe 6, and searching a PDF seems to take forever.  I would prefer
that everyone do like IBM does - give you a CD with both Bookmanager and
PDF files.  If I want to print a section or chapter, I use PDF.  If I need
to find something, nothing beats Bookmanager.

By the way, is there a way to enter 2 or 3 keywords in Adobe?  I know it
works in Bookmanager, but I'm not sure about Adobe.

Eric Bielefeld
PH Mining Equipment

On Tue, 24 May 2005 15:20:17 -0400, Thomas Conley
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Question to the list:  WTF is anyone still using BookMangler format?  After
Adobe created their new search feature in Adobe 6 (if you're still running
Adobe 5, go download 7 NOW), there's no reason to continue to use
BookMangler.  The only reason to use it in the first place was the superior
search capability, but now that Adobe has that function, bye-bye BM!!

Regards,
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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Thomas Conley

Thomas Conley wrote:

Question to the list:  WTF is anyone still using BookMangler format? 
After Adobe created their new search feature in Adobe 6 (if you're still 
running Adobe 5, go download 7 NOW), there's no reason to continue to 
use BookMangler.  The only reason to use it in the first place was the 
superior search capability, but now that Adobe has that function, bye-bye 
BM!!



You're joking. Right, Tom?

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Ed,

I know you have to support it, but I haven't used BookMangler format in over 
a year.  Everything I download now is PDF format.  The old argument was, 
Use BM for search, PDF for printing.  Now that PDF has the search 
function, I don't need BM at all.  Why did you think I was joking?  Do you 
still have a hard time using PDF?


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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Mark Zelden
This will quickly get off-topic, but

On Tue, 24 May 2005 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL
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...

2) Some folks have no control of what applications/versions are
   on their desktops.
...

That is a poor excuse.
If you need it to do your job, you should have the capability installed.

Preaching to the choir.  But it is a fact of life at every shop I've
consulted at.  Can't say for every shop I've worked for since I
spent my prior 10 years consulting.  13 years ago I worked from a
dumb terminal.


Standard desktops make administrative (read $) sense,
but most IT-types need non-standard stuff.

True. But at least here there are different standard images.
A unix techie gets a different desktop than I do, but it is
still standard for that group and has other standard apps
that are for all.

As far as some non-standard stuff, that is why some of us
still have admin rights to our own machines (which we had
to fight for).


I just went through this at my new shop.
Articulate your needs, rather than b*tch!


Needs vs. wants.  Adobe 5 works fine.  I've never run across
a PDF I can't open with it (although some give you a warning
about not supporting newer features used). At any rate, in
many (most?) cases, it doesn't matter.  When I was a full time
consultant, there was certainly no point in trying to fight the
red tape on these types of things.  It just makes you look bad to
your client. I ran into road blocks all the time that affected
my productivity.  That was when I started developing my own
tools or using freeware tools.

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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Thomas Conley
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It's o'dark thirty.  Production job down.  Application developer needs
access to doc.  They're logged on from home directly into z/OS.
BookManager is right there.  Got what they need, fix the problem, job
reruns, life is good.

Don Imbriale




Don,

Since I'm logged in from home at 0dark:30 on my PC, I usually read the doc 
on my PC and toggle to my 3270.


Regards,
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Re: PDF vs BookManager

2005-05-24 Thread Steve Comstock

McKown, John wrote:

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snip

Yes, I do have Adobe Reader 7.0.  And No, I still don't think 
it's better than BookManager.  Imagine being at home trying 
to shoot a problem over a dial-up connection (some of us live 
in broad-band deprived areas),  when the single manual page 
you need is buried in the middle of a 5MB PDF.





And, I've noticed that some PDFs have a Table of Contents that you can
click on to go directly to a section in the PDF. But, in my experience,
this is RARE. IIRC, none of the CA manuals that I have can do this. I
don't remember any IBM manuals that can do this either. So I must jump
directly to some page number and hope that I get near what I need. The
pgdn/pgup to try to find what I'm looking for.



Actually, I find all the IBM docs I use now seem to have
the TOC and Index set up to be page jump sensitive.

I no longer have any need for nor interest in BM format.



PDFs, IMO, are wonderful to print from. They are nice for serial reading
(oh, how do I bookmark so that I come back to where I left off?). The
stink for doing multi-book finds. Especially if the author of the books
didn't create a search index for them.




Well, you can load several PDFs into the reader then do
a search across all the docs.

Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock

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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Thomas Conley
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Isn't it easier to select and cut a block of text (to copy into an email,
say) from BM than  Adobe?



Greg,

I have the same problems with both PDF and BookMangler.  The box characters 
mess up the Cut/Paste, the proportional fonts mess things up (although 
Vista's PasteFlow function really helps with that).


Tom 


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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Thomas Conley
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1) IMO, Bookmanager search is still better and faster.

2) Some folks have no control of what applications/versions are
  on their desktops.  Until 3 weeks ago I was running WinNT with
  Adobe 5.   7 isn't even supported on NT.   New laptops are
  being rolled out with XP, but my new one still came with Adobe 5.
  Later this year a refresh of standard applications on the
  desktop is being done and I'm sure that will include
  Adobe 6 or 7.  I am lucky that I actually have admin authority
  to my own machine and installed Adobe 7 (which BTW, is quicker
  than 6).  But that is only because of the apps I need to
  download from the mainframe and install (HMC, RMF, etc.).


Mark,

1.  I've found that a lot of companies aren't distributing the PDF indexes 
yet like they do with the .bki stuff.  PDF search can go cross bookshelf 
depending on the index you use.  Without the index, the search does take 
some time.


2.  This is the biggest problem I've found with people using Adobe.  They're 
stuck at 5 (or worse) and can't get 6 or 7 installed.  Granted, the early 6 
releases were buggy, but 7 is the bomb.  I haven't used BM format in over a 
year and I have no intention of going back.


Tom

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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Edward E. Jaffe

Mark Zelden wrote:


1) IMO, Bookmanager search is still better and faster.
 



Much, much - *much* better -- especially across multiple books, 
bookshelves, bookcases, and collections. Yes, Acrobat 7.0 reintroduced 
the Acrobat 5.0 sequential find capability (which was ruined in Acrobat 
6.0) and retains the Acrobat 6.0 book-wide Search capability. Big whoop. 
It still can't begin to touch the fuzzy matching capability inherent 
in all manifestations of BookManager in which different word forms 
(plurals, alternate endings, etc.) can be considered for a match.


There are other issues as well. For example, not all PDF documents can 
be successfully searched. Depending on how they are built, many appear 
to not contain text but rather images of text. (One of the most 
frustrating aspects of the Acrobat PDF model!) This is *never* a 
consideration for BookManager.


Acrobat has no analog for the bookshelf, bookcase, or collection 
concepts. All you get are a bunch of PDF documents in a file system. Add 
in superior cross-book linking capabilities, much better speed for all 
operations (it takes a while just to initialize Acrobat!), an excellent 
organizational infrastructure provided by Library Reader (choose either 
the multiplatforms edition or the z/OS edition), and the ability -- in 
an emergency -- to read/process softcopy books on the mainframe without 
any workstation involvement, and you can make a pretty strong case for 
continued BookManager use.


Our largest customers have made it clear that they want and need 
continued support of BookManager softcopy format. We have heard them 
loud and clear!


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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Thomas Conley
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Hi Tom,

I have Adobe 6, and searching a PDF seems to take forever.  I would prefer
that everyone do like IBM does - give you a CD with both Bookmanager and
PDF files.  If I want to print a section or chapter, I use PDF.  If I need
to find something, nothing beats Bookmanager.

By the way, is there a way to enter 2 or 3 keywords in Adobe?  I know it
works in Bookmanager, but I'm not sure about Adobe.

Eric Bielefeld
PH Mining Equipment



Eric,

The problem is that vendors are not yet distributing the PDF indexes like 
they are the .bki files for BM.  Once they do, the multiple keyword searches 
should work similar to BM.


Tom 


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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Jousma, David
Probably the *only* thing I like Bookmangler format 
Better for is that I can search across books for what I
Am looking for.  I still cannot do that with PDF
(at least I cannot see how).  Show me how to do that
And I'll ditch B/M.  I usually use PDF books if I know
Exactly where I am going.

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Re: JCL Utility for PDS changes

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I'm trying to do some pds manipulation thru JCL but haven't come up with a
suitable method.

1st, I'd like to delete only the members starting with Z in PDS1.
DELETE SYS3.PDS1(Z*)


Then I'd like to copy all of the Z members in PDS2 into PDS1.
COPY SYS3.PDS2(Z*) into SYS3.PDS1


I've tried IEBGENER and others, but nothing seems to be able to deal with
wildcards, or else I'm just being too dense to see it.



Can I do what I want using any native ibm utilities?

Or can I do what I want using the PDS freeware tool?

Or is there some other CBT utility that will do it?


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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Poor excuse or not, it is political reality in many shops.  The people who
make the decisions to lock down the desktops don't always think these things
through clearly and don't want to listen to non-standard requests.  It
wasn't too long ago that it took me 3 weeks (at a job I no longer am at for
obvious reasons) to get the PC support staff to unlock my screen so I could
even hide the taskbar to allow me to see the OID line on my full-screen 3270
emulator!  

Rex

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...

2) Some folks have no control of what applications/versions are
   on their desktops.
...

That is a poor excuse.
If you need it to do your job, you should have the capability installed.

Standard desktops make administrative (read $) sense,
but most IT-types need non-standard stuff.

I just went through this at my new shop.
Articulate your needs, rather than b*tch!

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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
...
That works if you have copies of every manual you need on your PC or
burned on to a CD or DVD.
...

I have a HUGE directory on my corporate (and personal) laptop.

It's called:

Resource Material

It has PDF's of Red Books, Manuals
 Papers.
And, it's not restricted to IBM.
I follow the copyright laws, and ensure that whereever I'm working we are 
licensed for the products, or poof!

It has grown over the years, and right now, it is slightly bigger than it 
should be.
This is because we are in the process of converting from 2.10 to 1.4.
I make an effort, at least once a month, to search for new (or updated) stuff.

And, I have found the ADOBE search adequate.

I don't burn them because they change.

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TSS

2005-05-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
...
In the vein of Juan's much missed queries, how did TSS come about???
...

There was a discussion a couple of months ago on this.

DataCrown, then CrownTech, then DataCrown, then ISM, then IGS, all in Canada.

A few SYSPROGs wrote a security system called ACCESS.
It, in general, used RACF interfaces,
prior to SAF.
It was cumbersome, but they managed to improve it.

It was eventually acquired by CA.
Need I say more?
(8-{]}

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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
...
Poor excuse or not, it is political reality in many shops.  The people who
make the decisions to lock down the desktops don't always think these things
through clearly and don't want to listen to non-standard requests.
...

It took me six months.
My boss was on my side.
He wanted me to do my job.
Some of it had to be approved at the SVP level.

We shall overcome!
Go forth and install!

If they don't want you to do your job, then what can you do?

Remember, any SYSPROG-type who hasn't P*SSED somebody off today, isn't doing 
their job.

All platitudes aside, push and get it done, or go become a web-weenie.

Sometimes, it takes rude.
I can do rude!
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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 5/24/2005 3:36:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
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do not  have the manuals on their home PCs.  Yes, I know, it's easy to
get  them over the web, but when it's crunch time every second  counts.




Even better have a Doc server for everything, then block it
from all dialup!

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Re: This is a short PARM length survey via Zoomerang

2005-05-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Ed Finnell said:

 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 19:05:44 EDT
 
 Finally heard back from their tech support and it was basically
 'Browser problems', with Active-X, JAVA and cookies thrown in for good
 measure. Maybe I should just hang it up and wait for
 the abends.
 
 Title:  Which browsers do you support?
 URL:
 http://zoomerang.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/zoomerang.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=52p_created=1049472279
 
Wherein I read, ... take the survey using a standard browser.

Most of the features mentioned above are not, AFAIK, in the W3C HTML
standard.  They really mean, take the survey using a NON-standard browser.

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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
I gave up the fight and moved on.  ;-)

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...
Poor excuse or not, it is political reality in many shops.  The people who
make the decisions to lock down the desktops don't always think these things
through clearly and don't want to listen to non-standard requests. ...

It took me six months.
My boss was on my side.
He wanted me to do my job.
Some of it had to be approved at the SVP level.

We shall overcome!
Go forth and install!

If they don't want you to do your job, then what can you do?

Remember, any SYSPROG-type who hasn't P*SSED somebody off today, isn't doing
their job.

All platitudes aside, push and get it done, or go become a web-weenie.

Sometimes, it takes rude.
I can do rude!
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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
...
I gave up the fight and moved on.  ;-
...

I got downsized from IBM.
My wife left me for another man.
I'm paying child support.
I got a new job.
I intend to keep it.

I fought the good fight and won.
Rude rules (in some cases).


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Re: PDF vs BookManager

2005-05-24 Thread Don Leahy
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SNIP

Well, you can load several PDFs into the reader then do
a search across all the docs.

Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock

But then you have to wait 15 minutes for a hit.  Bookie can search an entire 
bookshelf in seconds.   And if you have Book Manager/MVS installed you can 
point and shoot from SDSF to look up message numbers and reason codes. 


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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Thomas Conley
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Ditto everything below, plus:  I like being able to have a lot of
manuals open at one time, and usually I can remember which one is which
in my taskbar (and if not, hovering over it gives me the name), so I
just click on the manual I want to look at -- very fast!  With Acrobat,
and maybe this is just me, but no matter how many manuals I open, I get
only the one instance of Acrobat.  To switch from one manual to another,
I have to use the clumsy Window drop-down, and I can't look at two
manuals at once.  Has anyone gotten around that?


My Acrobat 7 reader opens multiple instances.

Regards,
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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 24 May 2005 14:55:02 -0700, Jeff Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I also recommend you loose version 5.  You must have been incredibly
lucky to not have run into 'some' PDF files that version 5 can't handle.

I guess you weren't paying close attention to what I said.  It's not
what *I* want, it's what is dictated to be on the standard desktop image.
But as I also said, I personally have the authority to get around that
restriction, but not everyone does and there is a push to take that
authority away with the next image roll out.

It 'may' open them, but some PDF files now take advantage of
capabilities that version 5 simply cannot handle.  I don't know if I've
run into this reading IBM documentation, but I certainly have for other
things.


Needs vs. wants.  Adobe 5 works fine.

Well unless I could prove that there was documentation only readable
by a acrobat reader above V5, then I wouldn't have a good case to
force the desktop support to upgrade me.  That is all I meant.  So
far, I've not run across that issue (yet) doing my job.  I would
also think a vendor would be careful in creating documentation that
could not even be opened/read by Adobe 5, but perhaps that is giving
them too much credit.

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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Edward E. Jaffe

Thomas Conley wrote:


My Acrobat 7 reader opens multiple instances.



Tom, You must live right! Please describe _in detail_ how you make this 
happen.


Also, I'm still waiting to hear how you run multiple instances of your 
TSO/E session in a sysplex with a shared profile data set. Remember this 
post? http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0502L=ibm-mainP=R12561


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How do TSO TCPIP Commands really work?

2005-05-24 Thread John Mattson
When I do a netstat telnet command it works, and several other commands as 
well. 
NETSTAT TELNET 
EZZ2350I MVS TCP/IP NETSTAT CS V2R10   TCPIP NAME: TCPIP 16:45:50 
EZZ2800I Internal Telnet Server Status: 
EZZ2801I Conn Foreign Socket StateBytesIn  BytesOut 
ApplName LuName 
EZZ2802I  -- ----   
 --
EZZ2803I 0018 136.239.3.89..2119 Establsh 2307 00089143 
A06TSO02 TCP1

But I have checked and re-checked the syntax in the IBM manual, 
and these following commands LOOK like they should work.  What is wrong 
with them??? 
NETSTAT TELNET IPADDR 136.239.3.89..2119 
EZZ2351I Incorrect option: IPADDR 

NETSTAT TELNET PORT 23 
EZZ2351I Incorrect option: PORT 

NETSTAT TELNET APPLNAME A06TSO02 
EZZ2351I Incorrect option: APPLNAME 

NETSTAT TELNET LUNAME   TCP1 
EZZ2351I Incorrect option: LUNAME 
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Re: How do TSO TCPIP Commands really work?

2005-05-24 Thread Steve Bui
It's missing a '('.
Try 'NETSTAT TELNET ( IPADDR 136.239.3.89' 
and 'NETSTAT TELNET ( PORT 23'
and 'NETSTAT TELNET ( APPLNAME A06TSO02'
and 'NETSTAT TELNET ( LUNAME   TCP1'

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When I do a netstat telnet command it works, and several other
commands as
well.
NETSTAT TELNET
EZZ2350I MVS TCP/IP NETSTAT CS V2R10   TCPIP NAME: TCPIP 16:45:50
EZZ2800I Internal Telnet Server Status:
EZZ2801I Conn Foreign Socket StateBytesIn  BytesOut
ApplName LuName
EZZ2802I  -- ----  
 --
EZZ2803I 0018 136.239.3.89..2119 Establsh 2307 00089143
A06TSO02 TCP1

But I have checked and re-checked the syntax in the IBM
manual,
and these following commands LOOK like they should work.  What is
wrong
with them???
NETSTAT TELNET IPADDR 136.239.3.89..2119
EZZ2351I Incorrect option: IPADDR

NETSTAT TELNET PORT 23
EZZ2351I Incorrect option: PORT

NETSTAT TELNET APPLNAME A06TSO02
EZZ2351I Incorrect option: APPLNAME

NETSTAT TELNET LUNAME   TCP1
EZZ2351I Incorrect option: LUNAME
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Re: How do TSO TCPIP Commands really work?

2005-05-24 Thread Mike Caughran

On my OS/210 and Z/OS 14 systems  I only see NETSTAT TELNET DETAIL

TSO HELP NETSTAT shows (on both systems)
  |-TELnet-..|
  |'-DETAIL-'|


I have seen some differences between how NETSTAT works on OS210 and ZOS


John Mattson wrote:

When I do a netstat telnet command it works, and several other commands as 
well. 
NETSTAT TELNET 
EZZ2350I MVS TCP/IP NETSTAT CS V2R10   TCPIP NAME: TCPIP 16:45:50 
NETSTAT TELNET IPADDR 136.239.3.89..2119 
EZZ2351I Incorrect option: IPADDR 
 



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Re: PARM=

2005-05-24 Thread Steve Comstock

Joe Zitzelberger wrote:

On May 24, 2005, at 10:40 AM, Jon Brock wrote:

I can guarantee that the majority of our application programmers would 
not know it is possible.  And that includes the good ones.



[snip]


I find that amazingly unbelievable.

Learning how to invoke separate compile units is usually taught in 
basic-intro-to-programming-101 classes  somewhere after providing output 
to the user (hello world, my name is variable) and before opening a file.


Humor me.  Take this snippet to some of your COBOL programmers, good and 
bad, and ask them if they can write a program that will invoke it.



IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
PROGRAM-ID. PGMRTEST.
ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.
DATA DIVISION.
LINKAGE SECTION.
01 INPUT-PARMS.
05 INPUT-PARM-LEN BINARY PIC S9(4).
05 INPUT-PARM-DATAOCCURS 0 TO 100 DEPENDING INPUT-PARM-LEN 
PIC X.


PROCEDURE DIVISION USING INPUT-PARMS.
IF INPUT-PARM-LEN  0
DISPLAY 'Application programmers are not really that stupid 
after all.'

ELSE
DISPLAY 'OK, maybe they are really stupid.'
END-IF
GOBACK.
-

You might find yourself surprised at how capable they can be.

I suspect that even the 'bad' ones will be able to invoke this with 
ease, without using 'EXEC PGM='.




I doubt it. You get 'em with the word invoke. And besides,
that wasn't the point being made. The point was most COBOL
programmers do not know you can get parm data from a main
program.

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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Taddei, Cathy
 Show documents in taskbar is a big help.  And I was able to view
PDF's side by side by making the Acrobat window really large, and then
pressing the Restore Down box (next to the Close box for the
document), then resize the document windows and place them next to each
other.  Not exactly what I had in mind, but better than copy and paste
into a word processor.  The search function in 7.0 is also a whole lot
better than prior Acrobat versions, but still vastly inferior to
BookManager, in my opinion.

Cathy Taddei

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I've been able to get the different documents to appear in the taskbar 
by checking the Show documents in taskbar choice under General 
Preferences (Ctrl+K then G). I have not been able to get two documents 
to appear side by side.

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LibraryServer bookcase autocreate

2005-05-24 Thread Mike Caughran

I just installed LibraryServer V1.0.

I believe it has the ability to search across books.

In order for it to search across multiple books, I believe that I need
to create a bookcase.
Once a bookcase is created, I should be able to search across multiple
books by using a Library Center pointed at the bookcase.

I have created by hand a bookcase called zoscase.bkc
It looks like this:

BKCASE=zoscase
BKCTITLE=Z/OS Documentation
BKCDATETIME=05/24/053 03:26:00
SHELF install Install Shelf
SHELF ioa2bk32 IOA Shelf
XKS ioa2bk32 IOA Extended Shelf

You can see I have only added 2 bookshelves and one extended bookshelf,
You can also see the title informaiton for each shelf is not very
meaningful.

Question:

Is there a program to automatically create a bookcase from all the
.BKS and .XKS  files in
a directory?

I would like it to automatically provide the title information that is
available in the BKSTITLE line of the .BKS files  and from the TITLE 
stanza line of

the .XKS files.

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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Edward E. Jaffe

Taddei, Cathy wrote:


Show documents in taskbar is a big help.  And I was able to view
PDF's side by side by making the Acrobat window really large, and then
pressing the Restore Down box (next to the Close box for the
document), then resize the document windows and place them next to each
other.  Not exactly what I had in mind, but better than copy and paste
into a word processor.



Yeah. You still have a single instance of Acrobat. You're just manually 
repositioning the inner sub-windows from the Multiple Document 
Interface (MDI) within the outer frame. Tom says he knows how to invoke 
multiple instances of Acrobat. I'm waiting to hear how that's done.


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TSO/E REXX

2005-05-24 Thread Raymond Noal
To all you TSO/E - Rexx gurus:

Doesn't REXX under TSO/E have a function similar to REXX under CMS (which I
am more accustomed to) for storing/retrieving variable data across REXX
routine invocations?  In REXX under CMS you have the LASTING GLOBALV option
for the VALUE function which lets you save variable settings from one REXX
program to another REXX program

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Re: TSO/E REXX

2005-05-24 Thread Todd Burch
TSO/REXX does not provide a global variable option.   One could be written,
though, that would be fairly transparent to the programmer.   I wrote one a
few years ago that used a naming convention, such that any variable that
started with global. became a global variable.

All information on how to do it can be gleaned from the TSO/E Rexx
Reference.

Todd

 To all you TSO/E - Rexx gurus:

 Doesn't REXX under TSO/E have a function similar to REXX under CMS (which
I
 am more accustomed to) for storing/retrieving variable data across REXX
 routine invocations?  In REXX under CMS you have the LASTING GLOBALV
option
 for the VALUE function which lets you save variable settings from one REXX
 program to another REXX program

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Re: TSO/E REXX

2005-05-24 Thread Dave Salt

From: Raymond Noal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Doesn't REXX under TSO/E have a function similar to REXX under CMS (which I
am more accustomed to) for storing/retrieving variable data across REXX
routine invocations?  In REXX under CMS you have the LASTING GLOBALV option
for the VALUE function which lets you save variable settings from one REXX
program to another REXX program


I'm not familiar with CMS, but if the REXX is running under ISPF there are 2 
pools available where variables can be stored. One is the SHARED and the 
other is the PROFILE. The SHARED pool is created when an application is 
entered, and persists right up until the application is exited. It's ideal 
for passing variables from one program to another.


The PROFILE pool survives even after logging off. It's ideal for storing 
values entered in panel fields, so that the values are remembered from one 
session to the next. Because the PROFILE is saved on disk, it has a fixed 
size; i.e. like anything else, it can run out of space. Stuffing too much 
into it can cause problems. So, the SHARED pool should be always be used 
unless a value really, really needs to be available tomorrow (and the day 
after that, and the day after that...)


Here's an example where a program accepts 2 values, puts them in the SHARED 
pool, and calls another program to add the values together:


/* REXX PGM1 */
say Enter first value
pull value1
say Enter second value
pull value2
address ispexec VPUT (VALUE1 VALUE2) SHARED
address ispexec SELECT CMD(PGM2)
address ispexec VGET (TOTAL) SHARED
say Total = total
exit

/* REXX PGM2 */
address ispexec VGET (VALUE1 VALUE2) SHARED
total = value1 + value2
address ispexec VPUT (TOTAL) SHARED
exit


Hope that helps,

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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Thomas Conley
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Thomas Conley wrote:


My Acrobat 7 reader opens multiple instances.



Tom, You must live right! Please describe _in detail_ how you make this 
happen.


Also, I'm still waiting to hear how you run multiple instances of your 
TSO/E session in a sysplex with a shared profile data set. Remember this 
post? http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0502L=ibm-mainP=R12561


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Ed,

You want detail, you got it.  I click on a pdf file in Explorer, then I 
click on another one.  I get two instances of Acrobat and toggle between 
them with Alt-Tab (seriously, that's all I do.  Do you not get multiple 
instances with your version of Acrobat 7?)


As far as the shared profile for ISPF in a SYSPLEX, just do it.  The last 
image to log off wins.  Check out Lionel's article in TechSupport 
http://www.naspa.com/PDF/2004/0504/T0405002.pdf (talk about ironic, it's a 
PDF! ;-)


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Re: Reading a PDS

2005-05-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
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   at 01:20 PM, Bill Fairchild [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

In my previous post, I said to take the block size and subtract the 
residual  count to determine how many bytes were read in.  This is
the only  way to do it,

No. You can get it from DCBLRECL for RECFM=U. Note also that there are
restrictions[1] on using the residual count.

[1] Though not, IMHO, onerous.
 
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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Ed Gould
on 5/23/05 7:00 PM, Ted MacNEIL at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

SNIP_
 
 All platitudes aside, push and get it done, or go become a web-weenie.

--SNIP---


Ted,

I think its all over the place as far as locking down the desk top. I was at
one place where you had to get permission to FTP a PDF manual and at
anopther place any request was promptly ignored. NO MATTER HOW much you
screamed and cussed.

AT one place I refused to use the computer provided and bought my own. That
did not go over well.

Once in a while I get my revenge on the PC weenies... and do I gloat.

Ed

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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread Edward E. Jaffe

Thomas Conley wrote:

You want detail, you got it.  I click on a pdf file in Explorer, then 
I click on another one.  I get two instances of Acrobat and toggle 
between them with Alt-Tab (seriously, that's all I do.  Do you not get 
multiple instances with your version of Acrobat 7?)



No. On my Windows XP desktop, both documents appear under the same 
instance of Acrobat. Are you sure you're running native Acrobat Reader 
and not firing it up underneath a browser or something?


As far as the shared profile for ISPF in a SYSPLEX, just do it.  The 
last image to log off wins.  Check out Lionel's article in 
TechSupport http://www.naspa.com/PDF/2004/0504/T0405002.pdf



According to Lionel's article, you don't just do it. Rather, his article 
says you must change the SPFEDIT ENQ from SCOPE=SYSTEMS to SCOPE=SYSTEM, 
but only for data sets that match your ISPF profile data set naming 
convention using the GRS wildcard facility.



(talk about ironic, it's a PDF! ;-)



What else would you expect it to be???

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Re: Impossible? convert PDF to Book/Manager format?

2005-05-24 Thread mark . van-der-eynden
On Tue, 24 May 2005 15:20:17 -0400, Thomas Conley
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Question to the list:  WTF is anyone still using BookMangler format?
After
Adobe created their new search feature in Adobe 6 (if you're still running
Adobe 5, go download 7 NOW), there's no reason to continue to use
BookMangler.  The only reason to use it in the first place was the
superior
search capability, but now that Adobe has that function, bye-bye BM!!

Regards,
Tom Conley


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My question for all of you.

I get an error message in my output, I put the cursor under it in SDSF, I
hit PF6, BookManager opens up the correct book and displays the error
message and associated text.

Please explain how you do that in Adobe?

Similarly, please explain why your shop is PAYING for a product to do
that? (If you are using another product, I'm not talking about Adobe here)

Cheers,

Mark

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Re: PARM=

2005-05-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Joe Zitzelberger said:

 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 00:56:23 -0400
 
 
 The original point was that an application programmer writing in
 COBOL...should not know it is possible for programs to be invoked by
 anything other than EXEC PGM=.  Considering the prevalence of the CALL
 statement in common COBOL usage, that claim cannot be valid.  There are
 may ways, other than EXEC PGM=, for a program to receive control --
 and programmers know it.
 
 I can't really answer your 'main program' comment because there is no
 such thing in the z/OS COBOL world.  There is nothing special that
 distinguishes a main program from any other program.  If a program
 can be invoked via JCL it can be invoked via call.  The parms, as shown
 above, can easily be identical for either JCL or call, and there is no
 special way for a callee to know how it was invoked.
 
Does COBOL's CALL, like TSO's CALL limit the PARM passed to 100
characters?

 There is an odd, unusual, COBOL keyword that can force a program never
 to return -- not exactly a 'main', but halfway there in spirit.  If you
 use 'STOP RUN' instead of 'GOBACK' or 'EXIT PROGRAM' you convert the
 effect of a CALL into an XCTL.  The effect isn't noticed when a program
 is invoked via EXEC PGM=.
 
Is this analogous to issuing SVC 3?  (BTW, what RM documents SVC 3?)

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