Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Shane
 With respect to the conclusions one could draw, here they are:
 
 1. Somebody is (was?) looking for a PLX programmer.
 2. Somebody would have made a nice profit at that asking price.
 
 With respect to the educated guesses beyond that, here they are:
 
 3. At that asking price, somebody probably didn't find a PLX programmer.

4. Kite-flying exercise successfully concluded, local Congressman gets
petitioned that no Americans have the necessary skill-set, and so cheap
resources should be allowed to be imported.

Cynic ??? - who, where ...

Shane ...

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Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread James Smith
Also not fair to totally point the finger at IBM who are probably paying, AT
LEAST, double the money being quoted.  

I believe head-hunters, or at least the ones I have spoken with, in North
America have as much integrity of your average lawyer.

Jim S


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 With respect to the conclusions one could draw, here they are:
 
 1. Somebody is (was?) looking for a PLX programmer.
 2. Somebody would have made a nice profit at that asking price.
 
 With respect to the educated guesses beyond that, here they are:
 
 3. At that asking price, somebody probably didn't find a PLX programmer.

4. Kite-flying exercise successfully concluded, local Congressman gets
petitioned that no Americans have the necessary skill-set, and so cheap
resources should be allowed to be imported.

Cynic ??? - who, where ...

Shane ...

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Re: Good Intro to ZSeries for PFCSK ?

2006-03-27 Thread Steve Comstock

Ed Gould wrote:


Introduction to the New Mainframe: z/OS Basics May 15, 2006
May 15, 2006 Workshop in San Francisco, USA Contact:  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] More details are available at http:// 
www.redbooks.ibm.com/workshops/GR9534


I particularly like this, on the enrollment link:

Details regarding any workshop fees, which are location dependent, will 
be specified at the time of enrollment by IBM IT Education Services.


And a three line outline for a 4.5 day class!

Real pros, these guys.

Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock

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Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Steve Comstock

Shane wrote:

With respect to the conclusions one could draw, here they are:

1. Somebody is (was?) looking for a PLX programmer.
2. Somebody would have made a nice profit at that asking price.

With respect to the educated guesses beyond that, here they are:

3. At that asking price, somebody probably didn't find a PLX programmer.



4. Kite-flying exercise successfully concluded, local Congressman gets
petitioned that no Americans have the necessary skill-set, and so cheap
resources should be allowed to be imported.

Cynic ??? - who, where ...


Not at all. Very perceptive.



Shane ...


And from an Aussie, too! Way to go! I am not as
knowledgable about politics in Oz as you are about
politics here.

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-Steve Comstock

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Re: CICS down after transaction exec wait macro.

2006-03-27 Thread Chase, John
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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
 
 Strictly verbotten in every shop I've ever been in, but there  are 
 always exceptions.
 
 If you can get the wait off of the main TCB (TCA?), it's not 
 as bad, but IBM (and almost every CICS sysprog I know) still 
 strongly recommends against it.

For the past few releases of CICS (since TS 1.3; possibly earlier) the
EXEC CICS WAIT EVENT and EXEC CICS WAIT ECBLIST commands have been
available for the kinds of processing for which the WAIT macro is
intended.

With CICS TS 3.1 (and presumably follow-on releases) and appropriate
exploitation of the enhanced Open Transaction Environment (OTE), use of
traditionally frowned-upon MVS services within CICS tasks will become
moot as long as those tasks are running on their own TCBs rather than
the CICS QR TCB.  The basis for frowning upon invoking MVS services
that could cause a WAIT was that such a WAIT would effectively stall
the CICS address space:  The CICS (sub-)dispatcher would be unable to
dispatch other work while WAITing for whatever because it ran on the
same TCB.

-jc-

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Re: Putty connection to mainframe

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
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   at 03:58 PM, Sabo, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I have been requested by my management to use PUTTY as a 3270
emulator on the mainframe instead of rumba as a remote connection
over the web access.

AFAIK there is no such functionality. Why not use x3270 or any of the
other TN3270E clients?

I'd advise you to diplomatically ask management what the real
requirement is and to suggest that you can better satisfy it if they
don't impose what they hope is a solution before analyzing all of the
options.
 
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Re: MSg IEC614I and the virtual ENTER Key.

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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   at 01:26 PM, Raymond Noal [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I may have found a glitch in DASDM RENAME processing where the system
only allows for RENAME processing to be via PDF/ISPF and not through
batch.

No, you've found that two totally unrelated programs, neither of which
is DADSM, are different. IEHPROGM is not ISPF. Even if you run both in
batch or run both under TSO, the user interfaces are different.

The process I am attempting to do is to RENAME a data set using
IEHPROGM from my running 1.5 system and pointing IEHPROGM to my new
1.7 DASD volume. So, the 1.5 system does/may have the data set in
use for itself, but not the 1.7 data set I'm trying to rename.

The ENQ for SYSDSN doesn't include the volser in the minor name.

When you read the RENAME
processing in the DFP Advanced Services manual as directed above,

What RENAME services?

it  states that if the user is certain that the data set in question 
can be renamed, just press the ENTER key under PDF.

What does that have to do with IEHPROGM?

If you are doing this in batch mode

What do you mean by batch mode? You're not just changing from
foreground to background, you're also switching to a different
application.

how does one tell IEHPROGM to press the 'ENTER' key?

Why would it matter? The text in question has nothing to do with
IEHPROGM. 

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Re: Home Depot Looking for MVS - Lead Systems Engineer in Austin TX

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
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   at 04:28 PM, Petersen, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Here is a link to the job posting for a MVS - Lead Systems Engineer
(translated Programmer). 

Is telecommuting an option?
 
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Re: Friday Topic...

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
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   at 09:54 AM, Dave Thorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

A little fun on this list, limited to Fridays, never hurt anyone. 
Lighten up gang.

The services to run this list were contributed pro bono publico; we
are unpaid guests and should not abuse the hospitality offered us. 
 
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Re: ESTAE-underTSO question

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/22/2006
   at 01:26 PM, Paul Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I have a program with an ESTAE that gets control and issues a SDUMP. 
This works fine when submitted as a batch job, as the program is in
an authorized library.

That's not enough.

Is there a way to determine from the SDWA if authorization exists to
issue a SDUMP macro?

TESTAUTH.

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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/24/2006
   at 07:31 PM, Eric N. Bielefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

We won't have a mainframe, or the 3490E tape drives we now have 
to read our data.

Convert the tapes to AWS and store on CD or DVD.
 
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Re: Contract Programmers (Was: 3380-3390 Conversion)

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/22/2006
   at 07:49 AM, Edward E. Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

In my current job heading up RD here, I have had mostly bad
experiences  with contract programmers. I think many people adopt a
different  attitude about a project when they know they won't be
around to support  it. Cutting corners and shoehorning borrowed
code are the unmistakable  mark of a contract programmer. They get
results. But those results are  IMHO nearly always disappointing,
especially when looking at the price  tag. The exception is a
full-time programmer that worked on a product  for years before
moving on. Contracting them on an hourly basis to  update those
programs has always worked out extremely well.

Certainly some contract programmers[1] are incompetent and
unprofessional, but the problems that you describe are due to poor
management and are not limited to contract programmers. The golden
rule applies: he who has the gold makes the rules. When your manager
tells you not to waste time with QA measures like code reviews and
regression testing, what are you supposed to do other than document
the fact and carry on as instructed?

You can and should explain the consequences of such decisions. But
when the boss says overruled, then you have to play it his way or
leave.

[1] But not, in my experience, any more than other programmers.
 
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Re: Comment made on COBOL

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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   at 03:00 PM, Jon Brock [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Can't buy this.  Sure, there are large portions of COBOL that do not
conform to English grammar, but that is to be expected in any
formalized computer language.

What is not to be expected is gratuitous deviations from the
conventions of natural languages. The use of, e.g., 77, 78, as magic
numbers is *NOT* the sort of deviation from English grammar that is to
be expected in any formalized computer language. Similarly for the
bizarre behavior of COMMENT.
 
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Re: CICS down after transaction exec wait macro.

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/25/2006
   at 06:33 PM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I'm glad other, sharper problem vultures have spotted the two - so
far - flaws in the original code. But the matter here is whether  
issuing a WAIT in a CICS transaction at all is a good thing or not.

I'd go farther and say that issuing a wait in a CICS transaction, in
the main task, is forbidden.
 
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Re: C on z/OS questions

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/22/2006
   at 07:29 AM, john stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Well herein lies part of my problem, I don't know whats available to
use on  z/OS.   Can I create a DLL?

Yes.

How do I? 

Consult the LE documentation.

Can a DLL be called from a COBOL 
program running in batch mode via JCL? 

COBOL has nothing to do with JCL. If you want to call it from JCL then
it should be a main program, not a DLL. If you create a DLL then I
believe that you can call it from COBOL, but that has nothing to do
with whether it is running in batch mode.

Can it be called from Assembler?

How?

Consult the LE documentation. Note that writing an LE-enabled
assembler program is more work than writing a classic assembler
program.

I've gone to the manuals and all of them assume a working
familiarity with  z/OS which I don't have.

You may want to look at some of the redbooks.

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Re: C on z/OS questions

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/22/2006
   at 08:29 AM, Andy Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

You **CAN'T** write the wrapper in Assembler.

Why not? IBM has documented how to write LE-enabled assembler code.
 
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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/24/2006
   at 08:13 PM, John Eells [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

There are three kinds of blocks: Fixed, Variable, and Undefined.

I realize that it doesn't get much[1] use, but there is a fourth type
of block. Is it restricted to tape?

[1] Actually, I wouldn't guaranty that ANSI format gets *any* use.
 
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Re: C on z/OS questions

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/22/2006
   at 07:32 AM, john stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

What code page should I be using and how do I specify it?

What code page are you using on your PC? What code points does your C
compiler expect?

Check your FTP documentation for the operands on the SITE commands.
One of them controls translation.
 
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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/25/2006
   at 10:41 AM, Ron and Jenny Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

The Text records may be 256 bytes, but they are blocked, and the
Blocksize of the text block will be up to the blksize of the
loadlib.

WTF? Everything *but* text records is 256 bytes, and nothing is
blocked. Text records are usually as large as the csect, although they
may have to be split due to blksize or remaining track capacity.

2) There was a fix for IEBCOPY years ago where FAT RECORSS were
causing a problem. FAT records were caused where modules were
created with text blocks larger than the Loadlib blksize. This
couldn't happen if text records were not blocked.

Of course it could and did happen, because a single record was larger
than blksize. By definition RECFM=U is unblocked.

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/25/2006
   at 01:16 PM, (IBM Mainframe Discussion List) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:

But you can have any number of CCWs, each transferring 65,535  bytes
and using  data chaining, to make a much larger block than 64K.

As long as your channel is fast enough to avoid data overrun.

Then there's LBI.
 
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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/24/2006
   at 11:27 AM, Gerhard Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Single CSECT load modules are almost never large enough to use the
maximum  (32760) since that would require 8 base registers,

No it wouldn't. You're making un warranted assumptions about what is
in the CSECT.
 
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Re: Putty connection to mainframe

2006-03-27 Thread Rich Smrcina
Although technically correct that Putty can not do 3270, if the original 
poster can ssh into a Linux machine with the x3270 suite installed, they 
can use c3270 to access their 3270 based hosts.  c3270 is ncurses based 
and should work over a standard telnet/ssh connection.


Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 03/23/2006
   at 03:58 PM, Sabo, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:


I have been requested by my management to use PUTTY as a 3270
emulator on the mainframe instead of rumba as a remote connection
over the web access.


AFAIK there is no such functionality. Why not use x3270 or any of the
other TN3270E clients?

I'd advise you to diplomatically ask management what the real
requirement is and to suggest that you can better satisfy it if they
don't impose what they hope is a solution before analyzing all of the
options.
 


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Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Comstock
 
 Shane wrote:
 With respect to the conclusions one could draw, here they are:
 
 1. Somebody is (was?) looking for a PLX programmer.
 2. Somebody would have made a nice profit at that asking price.
 
 With respect to the educated guesses beyond that, here they are:
 
 3. At that asking price, somebody probably didn't find a PLX
programmer.
  
  4. Kite-flying exercise successfully concluded, local Congressman
gets 
  petitioned that no Americans have the necessary skill-set, and so 
  cheap resources should be allowed to be imported.
  
  Cynic ??? - who, where ...
 
 Not at all. Very perceptive.
 
 And from an Aussie, too! Way to go! I am not as knowledgable 
 about politics in Oz as you are about politics here.

When was the last time you heard an Aussie politician running around the
world, pounding his chest and hollering, We are the 5,000-ton
gorilla!?

-jc-

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Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Richard Tsujimoto
Right. Right.  It was PL/S.




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On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:33:18 -0500, Richard Tsujimoto wrote:

Jeez, (IIRC) I still remember it being PL/C.


No, PL/C was Cornell University's student PL/1 compiler.
(I remember it, too; Waterloo had it as one of their batch compilers, as
did ISU and many other colleges and universities around the world.)

The PL/X genealogy included PL/S and PL/AS, but not PL/C.

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How to determine load module compiler attributes?

2006-03-27 Thread Itschak Mugzach
A load module was created from a Cobol 2 source. I wonder how can I
determine the cobol compiler parameters used to generate the
object?(like, rent, ssrange, data(), etc. I remember (or just think so)
that Endevor (CA) has an analysis tool. Is there any other freeware that
does that? 

TX

Itschak 

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Re: Putty connection to mainframe

2006-03-27 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Rich Smrcina said:

 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:19:47 -0600
 
 Although technically correct that Putty can not do 3270, if the original
 poster can ssh into a Linux machine with the x3270 suite installed, they
 can use c3270 to access their 3270 based hosts.  c3270 is ncurses based
 and should work over a standard telnet/ssh connection.
 
Does this not thwart any supposed security objective in the original
Putty requirement?  Or is it presumed the Linux-mainframe connection
is secure (a fair bet if the Linux machine is an LPAR connected
via Hipersocket)?  Or am I simply overlooking an ironic content in
your remark?

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Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Thomas Conley
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From: James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
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Also not fair to totally point the finger at IBM who are probably paying, 
AT

LEAST, double the money being quoted.

I believe head-hunters, or at least the ones I have spoken with, in North
America have as much integrity of your average lawyer.

Jim S



Jim,

They're not.  The latest matrix price I saw for this position was $50.

Regards,
Tom Conley 


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Re: How to determine load module compiler attributes?

2006-03-27 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Itschak Mugzach
 
 A load module was created from a Cobol 2 source. I wonder how 
 can I determine the cobol compiler parameters used to 
 generate the object?(like, rent, ssrange, data(), etc. I 
 remember (or just think so) that Endevor (CA) has an analysis 
 tool. Is there any other freeware that does that? 

COBANAL by Roland Schiradin does exactly that.  CBT tape, but I don't
have the file number handy.  http://www.cbttape.org

-jc- 

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Re: Putty connection to mainframe

2006-03-27 Thread Rich Smrcina
I must admit that I wasn't following the thread that closely, and 
internal security policy may dictate otherwise, but ssh should provide 
sufficient protection.  If the original poster is on the outside and 
needs a connection to a mainframe, ssh to a intermediate host may be 
enough.  Once on the inside, it may be acceptable to be clear text. 
Traffic to the remote user will always be encrypted.


Paul Gilmartin wrote:

In a recent note, Rich Smrcina said:


Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:19:47 -0600

Although technically correct that Putty can not do 3270, if the original
poster can ssh into a Linux machine with the x3270 suite installed, they
can use c3270 to access their 3270 based hosts.  c3270 is ncurses based
and should work over a standard telnet/ssh connection.


Does this not thwart any supposed security objective in the original
Putty requirement?  Or is it presumed the Linux-mainframe connection
is secure (a fair bet if the Linux machine is an LPAR connected
via Hipersocket)?  Or am I simply overlooking an ironic content in
your remark?

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IBM 2105 - 3390 Models

2006-03-27 Thread Bodra - Pessoal
Hi,

 

Anyone can explain to me what means 3390-H defined in an IBM Shark 2105. I
can´t found any reference in manual that I had access,

 

Thanks

 

Carlos Bodra

 

 

 


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Re: IBM 2105 - 3390 Models

2006-03-27 Thread Chris Mason
Carlos,

A simple Google on 3390 and 2105 produced the following as the second hit:

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zoslnctr/v1r7/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.zsysprog.doc/zsysprog_83.html

It looks as if it might be suitable - but I'm not an expert.

If not there are about 2,050,000 more hits to check :-)

Chris Mason

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 Hi,



 Anyone can explain to me what means 3390-H defined in an IBM Shark 2105. I
 can´t found any reference in manual that I had access,



 Thanks



 Carlos Bodra

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Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No, PL/C was Cornell University's student PL/1 compiler.
 (I remember it, too; Waterloo had it as one of their batch compilers, as
 did ISU and many other colleges and universities around the world.)

 The PL/X genealogy included PL/S and PL/AS, but not PL/C.

posting in pl/s, et al thread in this n.g. from a couple years ago
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#46 PL/? History

wikipedia entry for pl/c
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL/C

another pl/i subset was pl.8 developed as part of 801/risc project.
cp.r was written in pl.8. misc. posts mentioning 801, pl.8, cp.r, romp,
rios, power, power/pc, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#801

and for some drift, a recent post mentioning wikipedia and power/pc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#6 64-bit architectures  32-bit
instructions

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Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Richard Tsujimoto
Sorry, that wasn't me who said it was a PL/1 compiler.




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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No, PL/C was Cornell University's student PL/1 compiler.
 (I remember it, too; Waterloo had it as one of their batch compilers, as
 did ISU and many other colleges and universities around the world.)

 The PL/X genealogy included PL/S and PL/AS, but not PL/C.

posting in pl/s, et al thread in this n.g. from a couple years ago
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#46 PL/? History

wikipedia entry for pl/c
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL/C

another pl/i subset was pl.8 developed as part of 801/risc project.
cp.r was written in pl.8. misc. posts mentioning 801, pl.8, cp.r, romp,
rios, power, power/pc, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#801

and for some drift, a recent post mentioning wikipedia and power/pc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#6 64-bit architectures  32-bit
instructions

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Re: Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Ray Mullins
I saw the original posting on the official IBM jobs web site a while ago.
IIRC, there was no mention of salary or band. 

Personally, having read enough listings and z/VSE Optional source over the
years, along with some experience with PL/I, I think I'd come up to speed
pretty quickly with PL/X.  But I'm not moving to Pok any time soon.  :-)

Later,
Ray

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 Sent: Sunday March 26 2006 22:20
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 I didn't see the original Web address for this PLX job 
 posting. Here's one
 instance:
 
 http://www.net-temps.com/job/2ow6/PLX-POK/plx_programmer_ex_ib
 mers.html
 
 With respect to the conclusions one could draw, here they are:
 
 1. Somebody is (was?) looking for a PLX programmer.
 2. Somebody would have made a nice profit at that asking price.
 
 With respect to the educated guesses beyond that, here they are:
 
 3. At that asking price, somebody probably didn't find a PLX 
 programmer.
 
 :-)
 

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Re: IBM 2105 - 3390 Models

2006-03-27 Thread Gee, Norman
 
There is a 3590-H1A tape drive, are you sure about the 3390-H?


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Subject: IBM 2105 - 3390 Models

Hi,

 

Anyone can explain to me what means 3390-H defined in an IBM Shark 2105. I
can´t found any reference in manual that I had access,

 

Thanks

 

Carlos Bodra

 

 

 


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Re: IBM 2105 - 3390 Models

2006-03-27 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Chris,

Yes, but Carlos is looking for 3390-H. A simple Google on 2105 3390-H turns
up zilch that is relevant.

Perhaps Carlos can provide some context as to where he sees 3390-H defined
or displayed.

Ron

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 Carlos,
 
 A simple Google on 3390 and 2105 produced the following as the second hit:
 
 http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zoslnctr/v1r7/index.jsp?topic=/co
 m.ibm.zsysprog.doc/zsysprog_83.html
 
 It looks as if it might be suitable - but I'm not an expert.
 
 If not there are about 2,050,000 more hits to check :-)
 
 Chris Mason
 

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-27 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Seymour,

The text blocks appear as a continuous byte stream, but this is the
unformatted representation of the text records, where each record is machine
instruction.

It's probably a case of semantics and/or context as to whether text in an
object is a block of machine instructions, or a record unto itself. 

When I said may be 256 bytes I was referring to the size of the
instruction record, and I probably would have been more accurate to say
up to 256 bytes.

Ron

 
 WTF? Everything *but* text records is 256 bytes, and nothing is
 blocked. Text records are usually as large as the csect, although they
 may have to be split due to blksize or remaining track capacity.
 

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-27 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Adam,

I certainly wouldn't be leading a crusade to reblock load libraries to save
space either. In most shops they make up a very small percentage of the
total space. I'm more interested in good practices when creating a loadlib.

I have always reblocked active load libraries, with some quantifiably good
results, and sometimes with no change whatsoever. Again it is not a crusade,
it is focused tuning. Starting out with 32760 as a Blocksize for loadlibs
means you don't have to go back and change it later.

There were many papers on this topic from the early days of XA fetch through
to the mid 90s when cache helped give fetch a bit of a boost. The following
is from a paper you may know:

The effect of blocking, apart from device utilisation, can affect 
Program Fetch performance.  Small blocksizes will not conserve 
storage, since 96K is always fixed for Program Fetch buffers, but 
it may adversely affect performance.  When a program is fetched, 
one text record and up to 48 RLD/control records are read in each 
I/O operation.  PCI interrupt is used to add CCWs dynamically 
and having larger text blocks allows more time for this activity.

The performance impact is less in cache controllers, but it still exists and
32760 is a reasonably easy way to ensure that fetch performance is optimal.

Ron

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Re: Home Depot Looking for MVS - Lead Systems Engineer in Austin TX

2006-03-27 Thread Kirk Talman
Yea the Lowe's guys don't want to be too far from the new NASCAR museum in 
Charlotte.

http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/top%5Fstories/?ArID=40932

http://www.halloffameatlanta.com/

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 My question exactly, I have to be in Chicago, if they offered 
telecommuting
 they could steal the new Lowe's staff.
 
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Re: Home Depot Looking for MVS - Lead Systems Engineer in Austin TX

2006-03-27 Thread Edward E. Jaffe

Kirk Talman wrote:
Yea the Lowe's guys don't want to be too far from the new NASCAR museum in 
Charlotte.


http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/top%5Fstories/?ArID=40932

http://www.halloffameatlanta.com/
  


And the Home Depot guys feel differently? Let's not forget who won last 
year's Winston ... er .. I mean ... Nextel cup championship!


I wonder ... which company has the larger mainframe IT infrastructure?

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z990 multiprocessor overhead issue.

2006-03-27 Thread Phil Payne
You have one physical system.  All processors (even including SAPs) compete for 
the physical
resources such as cache, storage bandwidth, etc.

Of course, any processors visible to an MVS image will also compete for MVS' 
structures.

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Wonder why IBM code quality is suffering?

2006-03-27 Thread Phil Payne
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4850652.stm

US President George W Bush has used a naturalisation ceremony in Washington to 
boost his
calls for a guest-worker programme.

Mr Bush swore in new US citizens at the event, amid growing protests over plans 
to criminalise
undocumented workers.

He wants to allow foreigners to stay for a set time in specific jobs, but his 
Republican Party
is divided.

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FLEX-ES

2006-03-27 Thread Phil Payne
 Could you solve this problem in the future by upgrading to something past
the z890 (whenever that is) ...

Castor-less mainframe?

25th April, from what I hear.

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Re: Putty connection to mainframe

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/27/2006
   at 08:19 AM, Rich Smrcina [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Although technically correct that Putty can not do 3270, if the
original  poster can ssh into a Linux machine with the x3270 suite
installed, they  can use c3270 to access their 3270 based hosts.

Sure, but they can do the same with any other protocol converter.
Putty itself doesn't buy them anything, and it's far more efficient to
simply use a TN3270 client in the first place.

Again, Frank needs to find out what the real objective is.
 
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Re: remote console

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/22/2006
   at 11:10 AM, Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I still have channel attached local 3174s. I want to move my
operators to a remote location. The remote site has no dedicated
comms links to the CPU site.
Thinking about some sort of escon attached controller with consoles
attached over IP with VPN.

What kind of operators? Is SMCS an option? That's probably simplest.

What box do you have? The newer boxen support an integrated console
adapter that you can TN3270 into.
 
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Re: Retry: Problem on NetView V2R2M1

2006-03-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/23/2006
   at 11:11 PM, John S. Giltner, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Not sure what happend to your post

He sent it with QP encoding.

but there are a bunch of 3D

ITYM =3D. In QP the string =xx refers to the character at code
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Trex Catalog software.

2006-03-27 Thread Donald Ludwig
We are in the process of analyzing the Dino-Soft Trex software.  I was 
wondering if anyone else has/is using the product and can provide any feedback. 
 Positive or Negative.   We are thinkng about using the product to reorg our 
ucats that have the Imbed/Replicate parm defined.
   
  Any input would be appreciated!!
   
  Thanks
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Re: Trex Catalog software.

2006-03-27 Thread Lucy Arnold
Don - We are using TREX and think it is GREAT...but we don't use it to
REORG so I can't help you there.Lucy

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Re: z900 Capacity Models?

2006-03-27 Thread J R

Ha!  The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Back in the very early '70s at IBM, I did some performance
work using an SMI (System Measurement Instrument?).
There were rumored to be only two in all of the UK, and we
were using both at the time.

Those of us entrusted with the beast were cautioned not to
let the customer see any reports until we'd had a chance
to annotate them, lest they misinterpret the results.



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Seems like there ought to be sizing tool with stuff builtin instead
of give me all you've got and see if it works?

Sorry, but it's always been that way for modelling tools.
You have to do a 'virtual' upgrade to see if it will work.

Try zPCR.
I used it when I was at IBM.
And, it's got the best price going.
You just have to take the online course first.

That's so (or so they believe) you'll learn how to interpret the results.
They've forgotton about the GIGO principle.
And, a 45-minute, non-interactive course is not going to dispell that.


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Re: Trex Catalog software.

2006-03-27 Thread Gibney, Dave
  You should be sure to evaluate Mainstar's Catalog Recovery+ also.
There's also a recent APAR from IBM to remove these attributes via an
export/import operation.


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Friday ON TOPIC

2006-03-27 Thread George Kozakos
It may come sooner that you think! See OA15350.

George Kozakos

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Bringing the fun back to z/OS - new course

2006-03-27 Thread Steve Comstock

To further the revitalization of the mainframe
market, I believe we need to make it more interesting
and relevant to work on the mainframe these days
(not necessarily simpler, ('though that can't be bad),
just interesting).

What seems to be most relevant, fun, and interesting
these days is all the technologies / capabilities of
the Internet and the Web. By a stroke of luck, the
z/OS folks have been working to allow this by setting
up z/OS UNIX (current name, after several iterations)
and providing a free HTTP server. A little tweaking
of parameters, a little modification of the system
start-up process and, lo and behold, you have a
capable, easy to use, and _free_ web server running
right there on your mainframe.

Now, the ability to run UNIX on the mainframe melds a
lot of strengths: flexibility (run classic mainframe
apps and UNIX apps on the same box), scalability,
reduced footprint, economies of scale to the UNIX
side of the house, access to batch, TSO, ISPF, CICS,
and a UNIX shell all at the same time, on the same
box. Utilize the legendary strengths of the mainframe
with the rich capabalities of UNIX, and you have a
hard-to-beat combination of economic power, business
strength, and appeal to new / young employees (not to
mention re-energizing current staff because they can
learn how to use the new facilities and leverage their
knowledge of the business).

Many of you know my feelings that IBM has done a terrible
job of telling the mainframe story. I'm still waiting for
the tales of shops switching to z/OS from UNIX, Linux,
or Windows server machines. I'm still waiting for my
colleagues to say they would encourage their kids to go
for a career in mainframes. I'm still waiting for prospects
we call on to stop saying either We're getting off the
mainframe or We don't have a mainframe [when we know
they do]. When those things start happening I'll know
that IBM has started to get the mainframe story right.

Doing our part, we are pleased to announce the availability
of our latest course, You and z/OS and the World Wide Web.

This five-day course is designed to provide a rich, deep,
hands-on introduction to creating and maintaining a
corporate website hosted on your z/OS mainframe using
only the _free_ IBM supplied HTTP server!

The basic topics are:
  Introduction to the Web
  Introduction to markup languages
(SGML, HTML, XHTML)
  Markup elements supported by both the
HTML 4.01 and XHTML 1.0 standards
  Links and anchors
  Style and stylesheets (CSS - Cascading
Style Sheets)
  Lists
  Images and maps
  Client-side maps
  Embedding Objects (Applets, multimedia)
  Introduction to client-side scripting
  DOM - the Document Object Model
  Forms and controls
  Cookies
  Tables
  Framesets

More detail at:
http://www.trainersfriend.com/UNIX_and_Web_courses/u518descr.htm



The course includes 20 challenging hands-on labs, designed
to be solved using your z/OS server for coding and serving
and your workstation browser for testing and checking.

This extends our curriculum aimed at teaching how to build
and sustain Internet work running from the mainframe.



The student should have some background in z/OS UNIX before
taking this course, such as might be gained from our
three-day course Introduction to z/OS UNIX
(see http://www.trainersfriend.com/UNIX_and_Web_courses/u510descr.htm )


Although not absolutely necessary, it would be beneficial
for the student to have also taken our three-day course
Shell Script Programming in z/OS UNIX
(see http://www.trainersfriend.com/UNIX_and_Web_courses/u515descr.htm )



Now that's fun!


Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock
The Trainer's Friend, Inc.
800-993-8716
303-393-8716
http://www.trainersfriend.com

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Re: ICF Catalog with lots of redundant datasets

2006-03-27 Thread Joel C. Ewing

Mike Baker wrote:

Hi Ron,

Thanks for your excellent explanation. (PS: I attended one of your VSAM
courses in Wellington, New Zealand, back in the early 90s).

Just to elaborate on the lots of redundant datasets and HLQ's...  for
example, we have a HLQ called BUS, and approx 9000 BUS.* datasets of
which about 95% of them have been migrated to tape. The remaining 5% which
are still being used are because people have been to lazy(?) to change a
few remaining jobs to use a different HLQ. We could safely change these 5%
remaining jobs, and then delete all BUS.* datasets.

However, seeing as this has not been done, would this have much of an
overhead performance impact on the Catalog / CAS??

Could you please elaborate on this finer detail?

Thanks very much.

...
That the datasets have migrated to tape doesn't mean they are either 
obsolete or redundant, just that they haven't been accessed recently. 
 This is still true even if all your BUS.** datasets are migrated to 
tape. They may still be needed for some types of recovery, as part of a 
historical archive, or possibly to satisfy legal requirements for 
retention of corporate data.  Someone with knowledge of the application 
area will have to judge whether these considerations apply and what is 
eligible for permanent deletion and when.


If you can get the application people to agree that datasets not 
accessed since date x may be deleted, then there is no reason those 
datasets couldn't be deleted today - no need to wait on the remaining 
datasets.  ISMF can be used to generate a list of datasets with a 
last-referenced date prior to x, and then that list could be massaged 
by various methods into a sequence of DELete commands for those datasets 
and executed. Better yet, if possible make all future datasets 
SMS-managed and assign an appropriate SMS management class so future 
deletions occur automatically after an agreed-upon interval of non 
reference.  I would be primarily motivated by the general principal that 
leaving truly useless things around is bad idea, but cleaning things up 
might also save on some resources, such as the number of migration tapes 
in use.


Catalog overhead would not be that much of an issue, unless people 
frequently display and hunt through lists of all BUS.** datasets rather 
than specifying a specific-enough search argument to restrict 
consideration to the actual datasets of interest.


Another possible issue is that these migrated datasets may be mixed 
among datasets that do get scratched on your migration tapes.  If that 
is the case, you could be wasting resources copying these migrated BUS 
datasets repeatedly as migration tapes are consolidated through recycle 
activity.


That having been said, I have seen cases where it was judged that the 
overhead costs of keeping possibly-useless migrated datasets around was 
less than the cost of diverting scarce resources to accurately determine 
whether the datasets were really needed.

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Re: Bringing the fun back to z/OS - new course

2006-03-27 Thread Barbara Nitz
Steve's post prompts me to relate our MVS Unix/Linux experience - this is in
no way meant to disparage Steve's efforts for courses...

Now, the ability to run UNIX on the mainframe melds a lot of strengths:
flexibility (run classic mainframe apps and UNIX apps on the same box), 

You'd better not. We are running a clustered Lotus Domino Server on our
boxes and have to run several unix apps (ADSM - whatever that's called these
days, WBIFN - gateway to the SWIFT net and Websphere Application Server). We
found out very fast that these beasties tend to take over more than their
share of processing power, so all of these UNIX apps quickly got their own
lpar where traditional workload did not have to compete with these cpu hogs.

scalability, reduced footprint, 

reduced footprint?!?
Even confined to their own lpars, the Dominoes take everything in terms of
assigned processors and lpar weight, to the detriment of other lpars. And if
these Unix dominated lpars don't get what they want, they stop working
altogether. 

We are in the process of moving the UNIX apps to Linux under VM, where they
can use the other type of processors and save us a lot of software costs
(BMC is killing us, followed by CA.) Did I mention that we now run almost as
many Linuxes as we run MVS lpars? Reduced foortprint?!?

Utilize the legendary strengths of the mainframe

One of which was first failure data capture (and it worked, too, given the
right knowledge in looking at a dump). All of these UNIX apps have never
even heard the term first failure data capture, much less are familiar with
the concept. With the exception of maybe one (stupid) user error on our
part, IBM has proved incapable time and again to look at dumps (even those
written by the product itself) and find a problem. Unless you can reproduce
the problem, provided you have an inkling how, you get a lot of crap which
always involves restarting a high availability application.

And without a complaint on top a sev1/prio1 IBM doesn't even look at the
problem, much less solve it. Even with a complaint, all we get is what we
call in German 'holding hands' - meaning they commiserate with us but only
attempt to calm us thus infuriating us more.

I'd better stop here

Regards, Barbara Nitz 

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Re: z900 Capacity Models?

2006-03-27 Thread Birger Heede
As mentioned previously I believe they 'produce' more MSUs because of a 
larger cache (using same speed) (but better use of execution unit).

Possibility?

Birger Heede not an IBM spokesperson
IBM Software Group

Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote:

In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 03/24/2006
   at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:


These machines have the same clock speed as the 101-109 line.



Actually, they don't.


Perhaps not, but you don't provide any data to back up the claim.


A 101 is 235 MIPS-like entities.
A 1C1 is 250.


Which sheds no light on the clock speed.
 


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Barbaras (mini-)rant

2006-03-27 Thread Shane
Sounds like Steve has been enlightened by one of Timothys evangelical
spiels...  ;-)

Broadly speaking I have to agree with Barbara, although my exposure to
OMVS(*) is primarily with SAP R3.
Very minor workloads appear to eat machines - not that anyone in IBM is
going to argue with that I suppose.
As some-one with a passing interest in tuning/performance/diagnostics,
Linux is the wild west.

Shane ...
(*) when IBM change the work classification class, I'll think about
changing too.

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