How to diagnose catalog search activity

2006-03-30 Thread Ron van der Zande
LS:

currently we encounter high I/O activity on some of our ICF catalogs. These
catalog's are on dedicated volumes, all under VLF and the F
CATALOG,REPORT,CACHE shows HIT% above 70%.
(Coupling facility usage not possible due to SYSPLEXES sharing)
Tthe create, update and delete activity I can figure out using the SMF
records produced.

Question: How to diagnose the searches issued against catalogs?

Wel like to use the information to get the most used type of searches and
with that the HLQ's to SPLIT up some of these catalog's. Number of entries
per HLQ is maybe not the best indicator for this problem.

Thanks,

Ron van der Zande

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Question on HMC's Remote Support Facility

2006-03-30 Thread Manfred Engelhart
Hello listers,

since this is my first time post to the list, let me introduce myself just
shortly. I'm a german guy and working in the IBM mainframe environment for
about 20+ years in several roles (system programmer, dba), most time as
employee but since 2+ years as an independant.

Now to my question: I'm currently in charge of doing some research
concerning the HMC Remote Support Facility. My customer would like to be
able to handle RSF calls from his customer for whom he is taking charge of
support issues. There is a local HMC available, capable of accepting
incoming calls, but the question is, what type and format are these calls
and how could they be handled, e.g. by a yet to be developed application,
capable of storing them in a local repository for later retrieval.
I couldn't find any detailed descriptions or documentation concerning this
feature, neither on IBM's sites nor on others. What I did find are the
manuals about the S/390 resp. zSeries Application Programming Interfaces,
but there is nothing in it concerning the RSF.
Is there anybody out there who could give me some hint or advice? Is there
any publicly available documentation, or is this all under closure by the
vendors? Any help is highly appreciated. Thanks in advance,

Regards
Manfred Engelhart

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Re: z/OS 1.7 and Large Sequential Data Set Offering

2006-03-30 Thread John Eells

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When you wanted to force a cleanup, you would IMASPZAP the bit on, then  
allocate something - anything - like a one-track data set with  DISP=(NEW,DELETE) 
just to force DASDM to rebuild the F3  chain.

snip

Though no longer necessary, I believe this will still work.

But I think you might have meant the Format-5 (free space) chain 
rather than the Format-3 (data set extents) chains.


(See topics 1.1.1.4 Format-3 DSCB and 1.1.1.6 Format-5 DSCB in 
DFSMSdfp Advanced Services.)


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Re: Systems Programmer Levels Justification

2006-03-30 Thread Mohammad Khan
That should give the management a clue and they should be thinking about
raising sys prog salaries rather than cutting it down.

Mohammad

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Thanks to everyone. Now if we only could find a SysProg...


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Re: Systems Programmer Levels Justification

2006-03-30 Thread McKown, John
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snip

 A marginal 
 SysProg has many more opportunities than an application programmer to 
 make a mistake that could put the entire company out of business.
 

It therefore behooves all sites to migrate to a platform which does not
need sysprogs. Once the sysprogs are eliminated, we can go to work on
eliminating the application programmers.

Sorry, that is the current logic that I've noticed.

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Re: z/OS Change Management / Change Control Procedures

2006-03-30 Thread Froberg, David C
Doc,

The beauty of the VisbleOps material by Behr, Kim,  Spafford is it
provides a practical and easy-to-implement 4-step framework based on the
ITIL that Peter Greening mentioned in his reply.

Dave 

 
 Procedures and disciplines only.  I'm not too fussed about the
programs
 and code at this point.
 This is more research for a comparison of application change
management
 versus operating
 system change management.  Plenty of data out there for the
application
 side, but almost nothing
 has been written on the OS side.  Thanks.
 
 
 Doc,
 
 Are you looking for programs and code or discipline and procedures?
 
 I'm not sure if this helps, but The Visible OPS Handbook
 (http://www.tripwire.com/practices/visops.cfm) by Kevin Behr, Gene
Kim
 and George Spafford lays out a superb framework for change and
 configuration management.
 
 Is that the sort of information you're looking for?
 

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Re: Alternative to mvsqr, was: Bringing the fun back to z/OS - new course

2006-03-30 Thread R.S.

Arthur Fichtl wrote:


Hi colleagues,

snip


We are in the process of moving the UNIX apps to Linux under VM, where
they can use the other type of processors and save us a lot of software
costs (BMC is killing us, followed by CA.)


snip

I was asked to find out whether there exist z/OS based products from IBM
or 3rd parties that provide similar content  functionality.

Any idea?


Yes, reasonable priced. Tell us what products do you want to replace.
BTW: From my experience it is often enough to find an alternative 
product and tell about it to your current supplier. The prices can 
shrink dramatically.


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Re: Systems Programmer Levels Justification

2006-03-30 Thread Porowski, Ken
And how many people have 'root' access to the squatty boxes vs the same
level of access on the mainframe?  
Think there might be a small exposure there?

Once the Sysprogs and application programmers are gone maybe we should
trash the users too ... After all they seem to cause the most problems.


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 -Original Message-
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snip

 A marginal
 SysProg has many more opportunities than an application programmer to 
 make a mistake that could put the entire company out of business.
 

It therefore behooves all sites to migrate to a platform which does not
need sysprogs. Once the sysprogs are eliminated, we can go to work on
eliminating the application programmers.

Sorry, that is the current logic that I've noticed.

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Re: Space limit for SMF datasets?

2006-03-30 Thread R.S.

Ted MacNEIL wrote:


Questions:


Is there a way we can allocate an SMF dataset of 10.000 cylinders?
If there is no way to allocate such a dataset, how do you suggest to
deal with this problem?

Standard VSAM has a limit of 2GB.
With an extended format file you can go to 4GB times the CI-size (4K in SMF's 
case).


Or, you can allocate more of them at 2GB.

Or, dump more frequently.


TeD,
AFAIK standard VSAM limit is 4GB (or 4GiB for purists).

2GB is (was) the limit for unix files (not only USS under z/OS, but also 
AIX, HP-UX, ICL NX etc.). It was also the limit for HFS (I'm not sure 
about it, but I found such information in IBM materials).



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Re: Space limit for SMF datasets?

2006-03-30 Thread Gray, Larry - Larry A
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I saw an 8GB file on an AIX system a couple of days ago.   

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TeD,
AFAIK standard VSAM limit is 4GB (or 4GiB for purists).

2GB is (was) the limit for unix files (not only USS under z/OS, but also

AIX, HP-UX, ICL NX etc.). It was also the limit for HFS (I'm not sure 
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Re: Changing Cobol Default Options

2006-03-30 Thread Alan Schwartz
I've used this approach also but don't like it because it's easy to forget 
when an upgrade or maintenance affects the usermod.  And management would 
like us to have one set of options but I don't see that happening. 

I'll have to take all the replies and share them with the rest of the MVS 
staff.  Got to get some consensus.

Thanks.

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It is not out of the question - but it does violate the SMPE approach - 
to
have two sets of COBOL customization on one machine.

Basically, you assemble and link one set of compiler options into LOADLIBA
and the other set into LOADLIBB. Then programmers who formerly used LPAR A
use

//STEPLIB DD DSN=LOADLIBA,DISP=SHR
//DD the real compiler load library

And programmers who formerly used LPAR B use

//STEPLIB DD DSN=LOADLIBB,DISP=SHR
//DD the real compiler load library

Various other combinations involving LPA and/or only two load libraries 
are
obviously possible. Just make sure everybody finds the right options load
module FIRST.

I know for a fact that this works. At Syspoint we are using this approach 
to
support multiple customers with different customization requirements on a
single compile server.

Yes, I know it won't be painless for you - involves proc changes, etc.

For that matter, you can just have two complete installs of COBOL and
customize them separately.

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Re: Systems Programmer Levels Justification

2006-03-30 Thread Chase, John
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  -Original Message-
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 snip
 
  A marginal
  SysProg has many more opportunities than an application programmer
to
  make a mistake that could put the entire company out of business.
 
 It therefore behooves all sites to migrate to a platform which does
not
 need sysprogs. Once the sysprogs are eliminated, we can go to work on
 eliminating the application programmers.

Such a platform already exists.  It's called pencil and paper.

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Re: Space limit for SMF datasets?

2006-03-30 Thread R.S.

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I saw an 8GB file on an AIX system a couple of days ago.   


Because this limit was broken quite time ago (fewa years).
So I should write limit WAS (is). The same limit WAS for filesystem size 
- also 2GB.


However I still want to keep is, because AFAIK some or majority of USS 
file functions were limited to 2GB files. I don't know whether it was 
changed.


Nevermind, it's not limit for VSAM.


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Re: Systems Programmer Levels Justification

2006-03-30 Thread McKown, John
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 And how many people have 'root' access to the squatty boxes 
 vs the same
 level of access on the mainframe?  

Ah, but the usual squatty box only does one thing. So causing an
outage on it is not as great an impact as killing a z/OS system. Also,
in our shop, every production Windows server has some sort of fall over
capability. So, if you kill the active server, its doppleganger takes
over. This is considered cheap insurance around here. Now, z/OS can do
the same with a parallel sysplex on multiple CECs (is that what they're
still called?). But the cost, on a one z/OS systems vs. one Windows
server comparison, is much too much gracious!.

However, there is a new light here locally. The new CIO, unlike the old,
is now comparing the TOTAL COST of the z/OS platform vs. TOTAL COST of
the entire (all servers) Windows/Sun platform. Now, the Windows people
are learning the pain that the mainframers have felt for years.

 Think there might be a small exposure there?

Actually, we have very few with administrative authority on the
production Windows servers.

 
 Once the Sysprogs and application programmers are gone maybe we should
 trash the users too ... After all they seem to cause the most 
 problems.

YES! The mere fact that they make the money so that we can have the
systems should not give them the right to expect anything from us!
Excellent!


Note, if not obvious, the above is mainly being silly. Except where it
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Re: Barbaras (mini-)rant

2006-03-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/29/2006
   at 02:08 PM, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I'm not convinced they needed to wed it so tightly with 
Unix System Services, but I bet they are not about to 
undo that with another rewrite. 

My understanding is that they started with existing bsd code.
 
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Re: Space limit for SMF datasets?

2006-03-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
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   at 03:01 PM, Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

SMF dsns still can't be bigger than 4G (VSAM limit).

Actually, the limit on a DSN is 44 ;-)

Size isn't the issue, it's being able to dump them quicker than they
fill up.

Indeed. Doesn't SMF support use of the logger? Does anyone have
experience using the logger for SMF?
 
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Re: Reading a Load Module

2006-03-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 03/29/2006
   at 01:03 PM, JONES, CHARLIE [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I would like to convert a loadlib module to a format that I can read
with a REXX Exec.  Is this possible?

Sure.  But are you certain that's what you want to do? What are you
trying to achieve? Does it have to be just REXX, or can you use, e.g.,
BINDER, ISPF?

The easiest way is to write a REXX function in assembler to do a BLDL,
then read the actual member in REXX. I believe that the Program
Management documentation still has the layouts of the CESD, CTL, RLD
and CTL/RLD records.
 
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Re: Space limit for SMF datasets?

2006-03-30 Thread Ted MacNEIL
TeD,
AFAIK standard VSAM limit is 4GB (or 4GiB for purists).

You're right.
Having been out of direct involvement for awhile.
After being downsized and then moving to an outsourcer's customer, I forgot.

IBM did the no-brainer of using all the bits in a word to double the maximum 
size of a non-EF VSAM file 'overnight'.
This changed it from 2 to 4 GB by using all 32 bits.

I forget when they did it.

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Re: Systems Programmer Levels Justification

2006-03-30 Thread Chris Mason
John,

Surely you mean a tall desk, a tall chair and a quill pen, the full Bob
Cratchit.

Chris Mason

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  snip
 
   A marginal
   SysProg has many more opportunities than an application programmer
 to
   make a mistake that could put the entire company out of business.
 
  It therefore behooves all sites to migrate to a platform which does
 not
  need sysprogs. Once the sysprogs are eliminated, we can go to work on
  eliminating the application programmers.

 Such a platform already exists.  It's called pencil and paper.

 -jc-

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Re: Systems Programmer Levels Justification

2006-03-30 Thread Porowski, Ken
 Granted we were discussing stability of the 'system'  but on z/OS I
doubt that anyone has access similar to 'root' or 'administrator' (i.e.
ALL access to everything).  Yes, I as a sysprog could (mistakenly) trash
the system (and probably my job if I do it right) but mucking with the
data or even applications would be a little more difficult (no details,
auditors may be lurking ... ) and would be malicious at least.  The
potential for trashing not just the system but data and applications is
somewhat greater on the non-z/OS platforms.

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 -Original Message-
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 And how many people have 'root' access to the squatty boxes vs the 
 same level of access on the mainframe?

Ah, but the usual squatty box only does one thing. So causing an
outage on it is not as great an impact as killing a z/OS system. Also,
in our shop, every production Windows server has some sort of fall over
capability. So, if you kill the active server, its doppleganger takes
over. This is considered cheap insurance around here. Now, z/OS can do
the same with a parallel sysplex on multiple CECs (is that what they're
still called?). But the cost, on a one z/OS systems vs. one Windows
server comparison, is much too much gracious!.

 Think there might be a small exposure there?

Actually, we have very few with administrative authority on the
production Windows servers.

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Re: Bringing the fun back to z/OS - new course

2006-03-30 Thread Patrick . Falcone
Comments interspersed below.




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With respect to Patrick's comments, WebSphere Application Server/Java is 
certainly not IDMS/ADO (for example) from a resource utilization point of 
view.  A modest two-way CP-only 31-bit-only system is simply not going 
to be delivering very high WebSphere volumes, I'm afraid.  Unless your 
WebSphere Application Server workload is trivial, please do one of two 
things: (1) get a zAAP (for WAS z/OS); (2) get an IFL (for WAS Linux). 
It's frankly bad *finance* to run (much) WAS without either of these two 
options.  Spend money to save a lot more money.

Not to be flip but you're preaching to the choir here. I totally agree. 
We've had an upgrade on the books for a while and I've been waiting out 
these last several weeks to find out *if* I'm still employed. Our parent 
company is doing some extreme cost cutting measures, not that I don't 
agree with that, and I don't foresee an upgrade anytime soon. Luckily I 
*was not* one of the individuals tapped on the shoulder the other day, so 
I feel very fortunate. And I'm now tasked with keeping these workloads 
afloat and responsive, with an expected increase to Users to our current 
production WAS environment. We're currently doing about 150K 
transactions/day to a couple production WAS's.

With either one of these two approaches mainframe WAS becomes not just 
affordable but, in numerous situations, the *most* cost-effective J2EE 
platform. My personal favorite is zAAP, but please choose at least one of 
these two avenues.

Again, I agree. I know that we could take the several Dell plexes that 
are set up at our corporate center and fold them in very nicely on z 
architecture but getting the necessary ear has been very frustrating. 
Maybe at some point we'll get that work and I'm confident that we'll 
support and tune it effectively. Hopefully when the cost cutting is done 
and the dust settles we get a fair shot at making the necessary 
proposals

Lastly, I think there's an implication that workloads in USS cannot fit 
into WLM service classing, goals, etc. in order to manage together with 
batch and other classic workloads.  I hope nobody is saying that, because 
it's certainly not true.  z/OS and WLM will manage all work, including 
USS-based work, as you tell it.  If your system is too small to meet or 
exceed all goals at peak, that'll still be true regardless of the *type* 
of work you throw onto the system.  WebSphere z/OS is spectacularly 
plugged into WLM -- it works really, really well, at least for the past 
three versions that I'm more familiar with (5.0+).  But if I'm trying to 
suck an elephant through a straw and want the elephant to more or less 
retain its shape, well... :-)

I've had firsthand experience, without zAAP, trying to WLM manage just 
the startup of a WAS V5 cell group. The support tasks are recommended in 
SYSSTC. The lights dim here in Pa. when the startup occurs. Again we are 
on RB6 at this time in 31 with a very busy LPAR but the burn in time 
required for startup of the cell group with tasks defined to SYSSTC would 
have this effect on small n-way cec's of any low end z series box wo/zAAP 
as well. I was tasked with trying to get WAS V5 running but based on the 
hardware/software setup it just wasn't possible without disruption to our 
othe workloads.

I think most of us that have played with WAS understand the reason for 
zAAP's and that is the take the burden off the general purpose CP's in 
support of Java. Java just doesn't seem to play nice with the traditional 
workloads.

I've been onboard with our developers and techs since the free offering of 
WAS, V3.02, and I can tell you that WAS anomalies react different than any 
other workload I've ever dealt with. This and the fact that WAS 
multi-tasks can wreak havoc on a small n-way environment when these 
unforeseen anomalous events present themselves. All in all I like WAS and 
Unix workloads but if I had my choice I would run them on dedicated LPARS 
where possible.

- - - - -
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IBM Japan, Ltd.
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z/OS 1.7

2006-03-30 Thread Klavon John R
We are converting from z/OS 1.4 to 1.7 and experiencing a problem with batch 
dumps. We have a product (Dumpmaster) which is currently producing two dumps 
for every abend (using static calls) . Dynamic calls are fine. We are leaning 
towards MVS..
We initially had a problem with the LE Options (Since it is now using the 
CEEPRM00 install of the usermods) producing three dumps. This has been 
corrected. 
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Re: Legality of z/OS 1.5 in 31-bit mode under z/VM at D/R Test

2006-03-30 Thread Timothy Sipples
- z/VM (with a 31-bit VM defined)
- z/OS 1.5 (IPLing in 31-bit mode)
- z/Architecture system
[]
Ed Jaffe responded that that won't work (gets a disabled wait state
early on), and since he's in the business of trying out those kinds of
things I believe his response can be accepted as definitive.

Sounds like Ed's idea of using an older VM/ESA running inside z/VM might 
do the trick. I admit to knowing one customer still running that way for 
another (but similar) purpose. VM back that far is indeed unsupported.

We perceive it as a SOX requirement to recover our current Production
system at D/R.  Though we are currently upgrading to z/Architecture
hardware (and z/OS 1.7), we will not be there before our next D/R
test.

Makes sense.

I don't think there's a legal impediment, but I would get a second, 
formal
opinion.
Has been requested.

OK, cool.

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Re: Legality of z/OS 1.5 in 31-bit mode under z/VM at D/R Test

2006-03-30 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples
 
 - z/VM (with a 31-bit VM defined)
 - z/OS 1.5 (IPLing in 31-bit mode)
 - z/Architecture system
 []
 Ed Jaffe responded that that won't work (gets a disabled wait state
 early on), and since he's in the business of trying out those kinds
of
 things I believe his response can be accepted as definitive.
 
 Sounds like Ed's idea of using an older VM/ESA running inside z/VM
might
 do the trick. I admit to knowing one customer still running that way
for
 another (but similar) purpose. VM back that far is indeed unsupported.

I doubt our D/R provider would have it available.  Even if they did, our
policy is to try to avoid running unsupported software.

The question may have been rendered moot.  I'm told now that our D/R
provider *might* be able to provide a G5/G6 machine for our upcoming
test.  If not, then we'll just have to test with z/OS running in 64-bit
mode.

-jc-

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Re: z/OS 1.7

2006-03-30 Thread Imbriale, Donald (Exchange)
We're running DumpMaster on z/OS 1.7 and do not experience the behavior
you mention.  Have you contacted the vendor (Macro4) for support?  Also,
review your startup parms for what gets suppressed, captured, or passed
on to IBM for dump processing.

Don Imbriale

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We are converting from z/OS 1.4 to 1.7 and experiencing a problem with
batch
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dumps
for every abend (using static calls) . Dynamic calls are fine. We are
leaning towards
MVS..
We initially had a problem with the LE Options (Since it is now using
the CEEPRM00
install of the usermods) producing three dumps. This has been
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Re: z/OS 1.7

2006-03-30 Thread Gray, Larry - Larry A
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z/OS DFS SMB Performance

2006-03-30 Thread Smith, Sean M
Problem:

When connecting to work over VPN, SMB performance leaves a lot to be
desired.  Where a 200k file in the office loads in 5-9 seconds, over VPN
it takes 50-60 seconds.  It does not appear to be a server problem or a
bandwidth problem.  I tried the same file directly pulling it from an
HFS and I got it loaded in 6 seconds from home.  I then setup a file
server on a z/OS box to see if it would perform better.  It did not.
Talking to local VPN expert, he basically said that SMB is chatty and
that we will see some improvement with Windows Vista.

 

 

Reading the DFS manual for SMB, there are several notes about
performance one of which states that HEAPPOOLS(ON) provides a
significant improvement.  What they don't say is what the heap pool
sizes and percentages should be for SMB.  I am overriding the HEAPPOOLS
in the JCL so these will not be system wide.  I tried HEAPPOOLS(ON) and
did see a good improvement.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Sean Smith

Bank of America


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Re: Systems Programmer Levels Justification

2006-03-30 Thread Desi de la Garza
Are you kidding me, If were to stick that clue up their noses(?) they would
not even flinch..

Thanks,
 
Desi de la Garza
Systems Programmer
Bexar County Information Services
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That should give the management a clue and they should be thinking about
raising sys prog salaries rather than cutting it down.

Mohammad

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Thanks to everyone. Now if we only could find a SysProg...


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Re: How to diagnose catalog search activity

2006-03-30 Thread Greg Shirey
I can't answer your question about catalog searches, but if you're looking
to increase your hit ratio, perhaps you should look at your MAXVIRT setting
in COFVLFxx.  

Here's some advice from Greg Dyck on the subject:
http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0201L=ibm-mainP=R97369D=0I=1O=D

HTH,
Greg Shirey
Ben E. Keith Company 

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currently we encounter high I/O activity on some of our ICF catalogs. These
catalog's are on dedicated volumes, all under VLF and the F
CATALOG,REPORT,CACHE shows HIT% above 70%.
(Coupling facility usage not possible due to SYSPLEXES sharing)
Tthe create, update and delete activity I can figure out using the SMF
records produced.

Question: How to diagnose the searches issued against catalogs?

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Re: Systems Programmer Levels Justification

2006-03-30 Thread Thomas Kern
If Management really wants to understand why sysprogs get so cranky and why
they should get paid more, then Management should be the ONLY personel going
on the next Disaster Recovery exercise. Let the sysprogs stay home and relax.

/Tom Kern

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Re: Space limit for SMF datasets?

2006-03-30 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:25:14 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-
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Doesn't SMF support use of the logger? Does anyone have
experience using the logger for SMF?


No.  But some applications (have options to) log to the system
logger instead of (or addition to) SMF.

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Re: z/OS DFS SMB Performance

2006-03-30 Thread R.S.

Is the VPN terminated outside from z/OS ?
I mean:
[1]---encrypted-Inet--- [2] ---clearLAN--- [3]

1 - remote PC with VPN
2 - local  VPN device
3 - mainframe

Is the above true ?

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Smith, Sean M wrote:

Problem:

When connecting to work over VPN, SMB performance leaves a lot to be
desired.  Where a 200k file in the office loads in 5-9 seconds, over VPN
it takes 50-60 seconds.  It does not appear to be a server problem or a
bandwidth problem.  I tried the same file directly pulling it from an
HFS and I got it loaded in 6 seconds from home.  I then setup a file
server on a z/OS box to see if it would perform better.  It did not.
Talking to local VPN expert, he basically said that SMB is chatty and
that we will see some improvement with Windows Vista.

 

 


Reading the DFS manual for SMB, there are several notes about
performance one of which states that HEAPPOOLS(ON) provides a
significant improvement.  What they don't say is what the heap pool
sizes and percentages should be for SMB.  I am overriding the HEAPPOOLS
in the JCL so these will not be system wide.  I tried HEAPPOOLS(ON) and
did see a good improvement.

 


Any help would be appreciated.


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S0F4 Abend

2006-03-30 Thread Terry Sambrooks
Hello to the list,

Over the last couple of days I have experienced S0F4 abends on two separate 
PDSE, which are used for similar purposes. 

Diagnostic information and the DFSMSdfp Diagnostic Reference manual indicate 
Logical File Structure, Return Code 20. The Reason Code is not in the popular 
list but that may not be important at this stage.

The temporary bypass has been to migrate the contents, CICS Command Program 
source to PDS rather than PDSE.

The directory appears to be intact, both ISPF 3.4 and IEPTPCH show what I would 
expect.

IEBPTPCH of the library fails Wrong length record  when it gets to a 
particular source member. If I use IEBPTPCH to print the member as a sequential 
file, but with BLKSIZE=32760,RECFM=U on SYSUT1, I get the first block of data 
and then it falls over Wrong length record.

It occurs to me that if PDSE internal structure is re-using the 4K pages then 
the contents of a member may not be contiguous as it is in a PDS, and therefore 
 some internal chaining is required, and it is likely to be this which is 
causing the problem.

My question to the list is; has anybody else experienced this type of problem, 
and if yes did that experience include the prospect of user error rather than 
system error.

I should add that the system is z/OS 1.6.

Kind regards - Terry

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HSM Migrate issue

2006-03-30 Thread Mark Pace
I'm trying to clean up a mess.

I have same datasets that show up in P.3.4   as Migrat2
If I do a listcat of the user catalog they show as volser---migrat

But when I go to recall or hdelete them
ARC1001I KSPAINH.AAAMICH.SMF  DELETE FAILED, RC=0002, REAS=
ARC1102I DATA SET IS NOT MIGRATED/BACKED UP
***
Which basically says - you didn't spell the name right, that name is not
migrated.  But it is the right name.  I have some discrepancy between what
the user catalog thinks and HSM thinks.   I tried an   AUDIT
MIGRATIONCONTROLDATASET, no change.   I don't care to get the dataset back,
I just want it deleted.  Any suggestions?



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Re: HSM Migrate issue

2006-03-30 Thread Ulrich Krueger
Mark,
to get rid of catalog entries that point to migrated, non-existent datasets, you
need to run a batch job IDCAMS and DELETE that dataset there. Using TSO or ISPF
commands will always fail ... they do more checking and are too smart for their
own good in this particular instance.

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Re: Space limit for SMF datasets?

2006-03-30 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 3/30/2006 12:01:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
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No.  But some applications (have options to) log to the  system
logger instead of (or addition to) SMF.




Some do both...guess the question is 'can CICS SMF recording be
turned off if you use CF or DASD Logger'?

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Re: HSM Migrate issue

2006-03-30 Thread Jack Kelly
you'll need to be in the racf group ARCCATGP to do del noscr. see hsm 
storage admin guide, 4.8.12

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Re: HSM Migrate issue

2006-03-30 Thread Mark Pace
Yes I've tried a few different combinations of IDCAMS DELETE - most give me

IDC3007I ** VSAM CATALOG RETURN CODE IS 38

38 = Dataset has been migrated.



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Re: HSM Migrate issue

2006-03-30 Thread McKown, John
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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace
 Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:51 PM
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 Subject: HSM Migrate issue
 
 
 I'm trying to clean up a mess.
 
 I have same datasets that show up in P.3.4   as Migrat2
 If I do a listcat of the user catalog they show as volser---migrat
 
 But when I go to recall or hdelete them
 ARC1001I KSPAINH.AAAMICH.SMF  DELETE FAILED, RC=0002, REAS=
 ARC1102I DATA SET IS NOT MIGRATED/BACKED UP
 ***
 Which basically says - you didn't spell the name right, that 
 name is not
 migrated.  But it is the right name.  I have some discrepancy 
 between what
 the user catalog thinks and HSM thinks.   I tried an   AUDIT
 MIGRATIONCONTROLDATASET, no change.   I don't care to get the 
 dataset back,
 I just want it deleted.  Any suggestions?
 
 
 
 Mark D Pace

You'll need some RACF work done.

1) Create a RACF group called ARCCATGP.
AG ARCCATGP
2) CONNECT your RACF id to that group.
CONNECT myid GROUP(ARCCATGP)
3) issue the command DELETE  NOSCRATCH (logoff/logon to TSO if you
use TSO to pick up the new group)

This is documented in z/OS: DFSMShsm Implementation and Customization
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Re: HSM Migrate issue

2006-03-30 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Pace
 
 I'm trying to clean up a mess.
 
 I have same datasets that show up in P.3.4   as Migrat2
 If I do a listcat of the user catalog they show as volser---migrat
 
 But when I go to recall or hdelete them
 ARC1001I KSPAINH.AAAMICH.SMF  DELETE FAILED, RC=0002, 
 REAS= ARC1102I DATA SET IS NOT MIGRATED/BACKED UP
 ***
 Which basically says - you didn't spell the name right, that 
 name is not migrated.  But it is the right name.  I have some 
 discrepancy between what
 the user catalog thinks and HSM thinks.   I tried an   AUDIT
 MIGRATIONCONTROLDATASET, no change.   I don't care to get the 
 dataset back,
 I just want it deleted.  Any suggestions?

Did you try IDCAMS DELETE entryname NOSCRATCH ?

-jc-

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Re: S0F4 Abend

2006-03-30 Thread Bob Shannon
 Over the last couple of days I have experienced S0F4 
 abends on two separate PDSE, which are used for similar
 purposes.

We have a similar problem. The PTFs for OA14809 recently 
closed. You should open a problem with IBM to verify that 
your problem is addressed by this APAR.

Bob Shannon
Rocket Software

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Re: HSM Migrate issue

2006-03-30 Thread Mark Pace
you'll need to be in the racf group ARCCATGP to do del noscr. see hsm
storage admin guide, 4.8.12

Thanks!



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Re: HSM Migrate issue

2006-03-30 Thread Chris Sultis
If you have RACF you can use a standard IDCAMS delete noscratch with
the
RACF storage admin parm in your job card.

// USER=userid,GROUP=ARCCATGP,PASSWORD=,   


//*
//HSM  EXEC PGM=IDCAMS 
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* 
//SYSINDD *
  DELETE .. NOSCRATCH   





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DB2 Question

2006-03-30 Thread WA Stout

Gang forgive me, I am not a DBA but I need to ask this...

Is there a way (or tool) to reverse engineer a plan to get a DBRM member?  
Some of our DBRM's have gotten corrupted and I want to recreate without 
having to recompile.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!


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Re: z/OS DFS SMB Performance

2006-03-30 Thread Smith, Sean M
Yes I believe that is the case.  We are not using z/OS for the VPN
service.

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Subject: Re: z/OS DFS SMB Performance

Is the VPN terminated outside from z/OS ?
I mean:
[1]---encrypted-Inet--- [2] ---clearLAN--- [3]

1 - remote PC with VPN
2 - local  VPN device
3 - mainframe

Is the above true ?

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Smith, Sean M wrote:
 Problem:
 
 When connecting to work over VPN, SMB performance leaves a lot to be
 desired.  Where a 200k file in the office loads in 5-9 seconds, over
VPN
 it takes 50-60 seconds.  It does not appear to be a server problem or
a
 bandwidth problem.  I tried the same file directly pulling it from an
 HFS and I got it loaded in 6 seconds from home.  I then setup a file
 server on a z/OS box to see if it would perform better.  It did not.
 Talking to local VPN expert, he basically said that SMB is chatty
and
 that we will see some improvement with Windows Vista.
 
  
 
  
 
 Reading the DFS manual for SMB, there are several notes about
 performance one of which states that HEAPPOOLS(ON) provides a
 significant improvement.  What they don't say is what the heap pool
 sizes and percentages should be for SMB.  I am overriding the
HEAPPOOLS
 in the JCL so these will not be system wide.  I tried HEAPPOOLS(ON)
and
 did see a good improvement.
 
  
 
 Any help would be appreciated.

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Did you know RRS had ISPF panels?

2006-03-30 Thread Knutson, Sam
Hi,

Did you know RRS had panels?  Nicole Burgess provided that little tip in
her SHARE session on Sysplex Diagnostic Procedures.

http://shareew.prod.web.sba.com/client_files/callpapers/attach/SHARE_in_
Seattle/S2811XX164932.pdf

They are documented in z/OS MVS Programming: Resource Recovery Appendix
A. Using RRS Panels 

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/download/IEA2N150.p
df?DT=20050714134908

 RRS  
Option ===   
  
Select an option and press ENTER: 
  
1 Browse an RRS log stream
2 Display/Update RRS related Resource Manager information 
3 Display/Update RRS Unit of Recovery information 
4 Display/Update RRS related Work Manager information 
5 Display/Update RRS UR selection criteria profiles   
6 Display RRS-related system information  



These might be something you want to have setup and the RACF definitions
completed so you could use them if needed.

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Re: DB2 Question

2006-03-30 Thread Mike Bell
usually better chance for an answer on DB2 listserv but I lurk here also.
The ability to generate a DBRM is dependent on the status of the information
in SYSSTMT and SYSPACKSTMT.
BIND COPY accross subsystems does not have enough information to rebuild the
DBRM.
REMOTE binds do not have enough information to create a DBRM

It depends on how many you need to rebuild -
If you only have a few, there have been REXX code to rebuild DBRM.
Otherwize we have a tool that will revuild any number.
http://www.hlstechnologies.com/dbrmCheck.html

Mike

On 3/30/06, WA Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Gang forgive me, I am not a DBA but I need to ask this...

 Is there a way (or tool) to reverse engineer a plan to get a DBRM member?
 Some of our DBRM's have gotten corrupted and I want to recreate without
 having to recompile.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!

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Re: Did you know RRS had ISPF panels?

2006-03-30 Thread Mark Zelden
Did you know RRS had panels?

TSO %RRS


PROC 0
  ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPMLIB DATASET ID('SYS1.SBLSMSG0')
  ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPPLIB DATASET ID('SYS1.SBLSPNL0')
  ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPTLIB DATASET ID('SYS1.SBLSKEL0')
  ALTLIB ACTIVATE APPLICATION(CLIST) DATASET('SYS1.SBLSCLI0')
  ISPEXEC SELECT PANEL(ATRFPCMN) NEWAPPL(RRSP) PASSLIB +
  SCRNAME(RRS)
  ALTLIB DEACTIVATE APPLICATION(CLIST)
  ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPMLIB
  ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPPLIB
  ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPTLIB


Haven't looked at Tom's Conley's dynamic ISPF stuff in a long
time since I use all my own stuff, but I would think he has
this in there.

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Re: How to diagnose catalog search activity

2006-03-30 Thread Shane
On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 04:01 -0600, Ron van der Zande wrote:

 Question: How to diagnose the searches issued against catalogs?
 
 Wel like to use the information to get the most used type of searches and
 with that the HLQ's to SPLIT up some of these catalog's. Number of entries
 per HLQ is maybe not the best indicator for this problem.

Have a look at the ENQ monitor - very handy. But like all monitors, it
has impacts, so don't leave it running all the time.
There are a series of sample jobs in SAMPLIB, run in order.
Should give you exactly what you want.
You might be surprised at the output - will no doubt keep you
entertained for a while.

Shane ...

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TCP/IP rewrite (was: Barbaras (mini-)rant)

2006-03-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:

 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:04:00 -0500
 
 In [log in to unmask], on 03/29/2006
at 02:08 PM, Patrick O'Keefe [log in to unmask] said:
 
 I'm not convinced they needed to wed it so tightly with
 Unix System Services, but I bet they are not about to
 undo that with another rewrite.
 
 My understanding is that they started with existing bsd code.
 
And, for consistency with POSIX, sockets must be POSIX
descriptors.  I don't know how well that could have been
accomplished without a complete rewrite.

Does the other TCP/IP (Interlink?) provide POSIX sockets?

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Re: DB2 Question

2006-03-30 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Is there a way (or tool) to reverse engineer a plan to get a DBRM member?  
Some of our DBRM's have gotten corrupted and I want to recreate without 
having to recompile.

You're taking a chance with an integrity exposure.
Besides, re-compiling would probably be faster!

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Re: Did you know RRS had ISPF panels?

2006-03-30 Thread Thomas Conley
- Original Message - 
From: Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Subject: Re: Did you know RRS had ISPF panels?



Did you know RRS had panels?

TSO %RRS


PROC 0
 ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPMLIB DATASET ID('SYS1.SBLSMSG0')
 ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPPLIB DATASET ID('SYS1.SBLSPNL0')
 ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPTLIB DATASET ID('SYS1.SBLSKEL0')
 ALTLIB ACTIVATE APPLICATION(CLIST) DATASET('SYS1.SBLSCLI0')
 ISPEXEC SELECT PANEL(ATRFPCMN) NEWAPPL(RRSP) PASSLIB +
 SCRNAME(RRS)
 ALTLIB DEACTIVATE APPLICATION(CLIST)
 ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPMLIB
 ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPPLIB
 ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPTLIB


Haven't looked at Tom's Conley's dynamic ISPF stuff in a long
time since I use all my own stuff, but I would think he has
this in there.



Mark is correct, @RRS:

/* rexx */   
/*trace i*/  
/*/  
/* This exec invokes IBM's RRS dialog.   */  
/*/  
parse arg ztrail 
address tso ALTLIB ACT APPL(CLIST) DA('SYS1.SBLSCLI0') 
address ispexec LIBDEF ISPMLIB DATASET ID('SYS1.SBLSMSG0') STACK   
address ispexec LIBDEF ISPPLIB DATASET ID('SYS1.SBLSPNL0') STACK   
address ispexec LIBDEF ISPTLIB DATASET ID('SYS1.SBLSTBL0') STACK   
address ispexec SELECT PANEL(ATRFPCMN) OPT(ztrail) NEWAPPL(RRSP),
   PASSLIB SCRNAME(RRS)   
address ispexec LIBDEF ISPMLIB 
address ispexec LIBDEF ISPPLIB 
address ispexec LIBDEF ISPTLIB 
address tso ALTLIB DEACT APPL(CLIST)   


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IBM Enterprise COBOL - compiler options that impact behavior

2006-03-30 Thread Bill Klein
This is a follow-up on an earlier IBM-MAIN thread.

I thought that it might be interesting AND USEFUL to document which
IBM 
Enterprise COBOL compiler options can impact run-time behavior.  By
this I 
mean that the same source code will compile cleanly with any setting
of these 
options but that for programs that COMPLETE their run the output
might be 
different.  (I phrase it this way to avoid options that impact storage
usage 
at compile or run-time.  I am also ignoring performance differences.).

Looking at the list of options at:

 
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IGY3PG30/CCON
TENTS

My initial list of potentially impacting options is:

-  ADV
-   CICS  (depending on suboptions)
-   CODEPAGE
-   CURRENCY
-   DATEPROC
-   DYNAM  (only if CANCEL is used)
-   FASTSRT (only if DECLARATIVES are used)
-   INTDATE
-   NUMPROC
-   PGMNAME
-   QUOTE/APOST (figurative constant, not literals)
-   SQL (depending on suboptions)
-   SSRANGE (if checking is turned on at run-time)
-   THREAD
-   TRUNC
-   YEARWINDOW
-   ZWB



Of you IBM COBOL types, do you have any opinions on any that I have
missed - 
or that I have included that you think do NOT impact run-time behavior?


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Re: z/OS 1.7 and Large Sequential Data Set Offering

2006-03-30 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In a message dated 3/30/2006 7:30:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

But  I think you might have meant the Format-5 (free space) chain 
rather  than the Format-3 (data set extents) chains.



I sure did.  My mistake.
 
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Re: z/OS 1.7 and Large Sequential Data Set Offering

2006-03-30 Thread Ted MacNEIL
But  I think you might have meant the Format-5 (free space) chain 
rather  than the Format-3 (data set extents) chains.

Aren't they automagically invalid when you have an Index? And, you have to find 
the space through it?
Or, has that changed?
Or, even simpler, does it matter much, anymore?

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Re: IBM Enterprise COBOL - compiler options that impact behavior

2006-03-30 Thread Steve Comstock

Bill Klein wrote:

This is a follow-up on an earlier IBM-MAIN thread.

I thought that it might be interesting AND USEFUL to document which
IBM 
Enterprise COBOL compiler options can impact run-time behavior.  By
this I 
mean that the same source code will compile cleanly with any setting
of these 
options but that for programs that COMPLETE their run the output
might be 
different.  (I phrase it this way to avoid options that impact storage
usage 
at compile or run-time.  I am also ignoring performance differences.).


Looking at the list of options at:

 
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IGY3PG30/CCON

TENTS

My initial list of potentially impacting options is:

-  ADV
-   CICS  (depending on suboptions)
-   CODEPAGE
-   CURRENCY
-   DATEPROC
-   DYNAM  (only if CANCEL is used)

This impacts runtime behavior whether or not CANCEL is used


-   FASTSRT (only if DECLARATIVES are used)

This impacts runtime behavior whether or not DECLARATIVES are used,
I believe


-   INTDATE
-   NUMPROC
-   PGMNAME

I don't see the runtime behavior impact of this


-   QUOTE/APOST (figurative constant, not literals)

I don't see the runtime behavior impact of this


-   SQL (depending on suboptions)
-   SSRANGE (if checking is turned on at run-time)
-   THREAD
-   TRUNC
-   YEARWINDOW
-   ZWB



Of you IBM COBOL types, do you have any opinions on any that I have
missed - 
or that I have included that you think do NOT impact run-time behavior?





In some sense, TEST can impact runtime behavior.

ARITH can impact runtime behavior

DLL can impact runtime behavior

OPTIMIZE can impact runtime behavior

OUTDD can impact runtime behavior

RENT can impact runtime behavior (along with DATA)

In some sense, RMODE can impact runtime behavior

So, my opinion, for what it's worth.

Kind regards,

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Re: IBM Enterprise COBOL - compiler options that impact behavior

2006-03-30 Thread Kirk Talman
good options list in a consultant report

AWO [VB output only]
CMPR2(NO) 
DYNAM(NO)
FASTSRT(YES) [consultant says nothing about declaritives]
NUMPROC(PFD)
OPT(STD)
SSRANGE(NO)
TEST(NO)
TRUNC(OPT)

IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 03/30/2006 
06:11:37 PM:

 
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IGY3PG30/CCONTENTS

 My initial list of potentially impacting options is:

 - ADV
  -  CICS (depending on suboptions)
  -  CODEPAGE
  -  CURRENCY
  -  DATEPROC
  -  DYNAM (only if CANCEL is used)
  -  FASTSRT (only if DECLARATIVES are used)
  -  INTDATE
  -  NUMPROC
  -  PGMNAME
  -  QUOTE/APOST (figurative constant, not literals)
  -  SQL (depending on suboptions)
  -  SSRANGE (if checking is turned on at run-time)
  -  THREAD
  -  TRUNC
  -  YEARWINDOW
  -  ZWB



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Re: z/OS 1.7 and Large Sequential Data Set Offering

2006-03-30 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In a message dated 3/30/2006 5:33:38 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
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Aren't they automagically invalid when you have an Index? And, you  have to 
find the space through it?



True, but not all VTOCs have INDEXes.
 
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Re: IBM Enterprise COBOL - compiler options that impact behavior

2006-03-30 Thread Ted MacNEIL
ALL31 is a recommended choice for CICS.
It cuts down on a lot of load overhead.
And, it doesn't stop you from loading 24-bit.
It only loads the prefix code when you call a 24, rather than all the time.

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Re: z/OS 1.7 and Large Sequential Data Set Offering

2006-03-30 Thread Ted MacNEIL
True, but not all VTOCs have INDEXes

Why not in this day and age?
Even my non-SMS volumes, few that they may be, have an index.

They were out long before SMS was.
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Re: z/OS DFS SMB Performance

2006-03-30 Thread John S. Giltner, Jr.
From my experience SMB on any platform is slow.  Think about it, a 200K 
file loading in 5-9 seconds in the office.  That is a transfer rate of 
somewhere between 20 to 40 K a second.  Now add the overhead of a VPN 
and the latency and through put of something that is most likely much 
less than the network between your PC and the mainframe at your work.


What is the slowest network connection in your office?
What is the speed of the network that your VPN is transversing?

What do you mean pulling it directly?  FTP?  FTP is much more efficient 
that SMB.


SMB is real chatty.  IIRC it does one ACK for every two data packets and 
the ACK is not sent until the data packets are received.  This is on top 
of the TCP level ACK's.


Smith, Sean M wrote:

Problem:

When connecting to work over VPN, SMB performance leaves a lot to be
desired.  Where a 200k file in the office loads in 5-9 seconds, over VPN
it takes 50-60 seconds.  It does not appear to be a server problem or a
bandwidth problem.  I tried the same file directly pulling it from an
HFS and I got it loaded in 6 seconds from home.  I then setup a file
server on a z/OS box to see if it would perform better.  It did not.
Talking to local VPN expert, he basically said that SMB is chatty and
that we will see some improvement with Windows Vista.

 

 


Reading the DFS manual for SMB, there are several notes about
performance one of which states that HEAPPOOLS(ON) provides a
significant improvement.  What they don't say is what the heap pool
sizes and percentages should be for SMB.  I am overriding the HEAPPOOLS
in the JCL so these will not be system wide.  I tried HEAPPOOLS(ON) and
did see a good improvement.

 


Any help would be appreciated.

 


Sean Smith

Bank of America



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Re: z/OS DFS SMB Performance

2006-03-30 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:29:15 -0500, John S. Giltner, Jr.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From my experience SMB on any platform is slow.  Think about it, a 200K
file loading in 5-9 seconds in the office.  That is a transfer rate of
somewhere between 20 to 40 K a second.  Now add the overhead of a VPN
and the latency and through put of something that is most likely much
less than the network between your PC and the mainframe at your work.

What is the slowest network connection in your office?
What is the speed of the network that your VPN is transversing?

What do you mean pulling it directly?  FTP?  FTP is much more efficient
that SMB.

SMB is real chatty.  IIRC it does one ACK for every two data packets and
the ACK is not sent until the data packets are received.  This is on top
of the TCP level ACK's.


I had a presentation by cisco people about their VPN accelerator ,their AVS
( appl velocity system) their WAFS ( wan  accelerator for file system) and
WAE ( wan accelerator engine) ,
Obviously WAFS has been invented for the exact problem you are facing .
The chat to open a document with word or excell over a network .
The number they showed me was like 1000 exchanges to open and close a file
and they were dividing this by 8 or 10 , by letting only the security
portion of the handshaking flow ( enqueue etc .. ) and by simulating a big
part of this handshaking on both ends to reduce the chatyness , and trying
to let flow the data only .
The improvement is just tremendous .
try to find out on google how this WAFS , WAE and cisco accelerator work
and it will give you some good insight in what John is describing exactly .
Bruno
Bruno(dot)sugliani(at)groupemornay(dot)asso(dot)fr

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IBM Enterprise COBOL - compiler options that impact behavior

2006-03-30 Thread Bill Klein
See comments below for some of my responses.  I thought I was clear that I
was NOT talking about performance or storage impacts.  I think most of
those types of impacts are cases where you and I disagree.

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  -   DYNAM  (only if CANCEL is used)
 This impacts runtime behavior whether or not CANCEL is used

DYNAM and NODYNAM do not impact the output/results of a program UNLESS a
CANCEL is used.  CANCEL of a program CALLed via a literal with NODYNAM does
NOT place the subprogram in initial state - while it does with DYNAM
specified.  What other run-time behavior difference do you know of?

 
  -   FASTSRT (only if DECLARATIVES are used)
 This impacts runtime behavior whether or not DECLARATIVES are used,
 I believe

I know of NO time that FASTSRT impacts run-time results (other than the
OBVIOUS performance implication) except for when a DECLARATIVE should be
reached by a bad SORT.  This works with NOFASTSRT, but not with FASTSRT.


  -   PGMNAME
 I don't see the runtime behavior impact of this

Depending upon the setting of PGMNAME, a CALL to A2345678 may or may not
find a subprogram with the name a2345678 or A234567899

 
  -   QUOTE/APOST (figurative constant, not literals)
 I don't see the runtime behavior impact of this
  With QUOTE the figurative constant QUOTE is 
 
  With APOST it is 
 '
That impacts comparisons and often DISPLAY and written output

 In some sense, TEST can impact runtime behavior.
   I think that IBM accepts as APARABLE and case where a programs that are
compiled with various TEST options and the programs run to completion give
different results.  Do you know of cases where semantics ARE impacted?
 
 ARITH can impact runtime behavior
  You are probably right.  I was thinking that most of the differences would
be detected at compile-time if you tried using numeric items over 18 digits.
However, this can impact Intermediate results - even if all data
individual items are limited to 18 digits.
 
 DLL can impact runtime behavior
   How?  
 
 OPTIMIZE can impact runtime behavior
  Again, like TEST, I believe that IBM accepts as APARable any differences
in the results (other than performance) from various settings of OPT.  Even
the removal of non-referenced data items can't impact run-time BEHAVIOR
for valid COBOL programs.
 
 OUTDD can impact runtime behavior
  I thought about including this.  However, I think that LE will do a
DYNAMIC allocation of whatever this points to, so that the results are
always the same - just different DDNames.

 
 RENT can impact runtime behavior (along with DATA)
   How?  (Other than where storage is allocated?  This impacts performance
but not RESULTS for two different programs that both run to successful
conclusion.
 
 In some sense, RMODE can impact runtime behavior
 

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Re: Did you know RRS had ISPF panels?

2006-03-30 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Thomas Conley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
 Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:14 PM
 Subject: Re: Did you know RRS had ISPF panels?
 
 
  Did you know RRS had panels?
  
  TSO %RRS
  
  
  PROC 0
   ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPMLIB DATASET ID('SYS1.SBLSMSG0')
   ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPPLIB DATASET ID('SYS1.SBLSPNL0')
   ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPTLIB DATASET ID('SYS1.SBLSKEL0')
   ALTLIB ACTIVATE APPLICATION(CLIST) DATASET('SYS1.SBLSCLI0')
   ISPEXEC SELECT PANEL(ATRFPCMN) NEWAPPL(RRSP) PASSLIB +
   SCRNAME(RRS)
   ALTLIB DEACTIVATE APPLICATION(CLIST)
   ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPMLIB
   ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPPLIB
   ISPEXEC LIBDEF ISPTLIB
  
  
  Haven't looked at Tom's Conley's dynamic ISPF stuff in a long
  time since I use all my own stuff, but I would think he has
  this in there.
  
 
 Mark is correct, @RRS:
 
 /* rexx */
 /*trace i*/   
 /*/   /* 
 This exec invokes IBM's RRS dialog.   */   
 /*/   
 parse arg ztrail  
 address tso ALTLIB ACT APPL(CLIST) DA('SYS1.SBLSCLI0')  
 address ispexec LIBDEF ISPMLIB DATASET ID('SYS1.SBLSMSG0') STACK
 address ispexec LIBDEF ISPPLIB DATASET ID('SYS1.SBLSPNL0') STACK
 address ispexec LIBDEF ISPTLIB DATASET ID('SYS1.SBLSTBL0') STACK
 address ispexec SELECT PANEL(ATRFPCMN) OPT(ztrail) NEWAPPL(RRSP),
  PASSLIB SCRNAME(RRS)
 address ispexec LIBDEF ISPMLIB  
 address ispexec LIBDEF ISPPLIB  
 address ispexec LIBDEF ISPTLIB  
 address tso ALTLIB DEACT APPL(CLIST)
 Regards,
 Tom Conley
 

I read it in the manual during RRS setup.
I added the following to the ISPF command table:
RRS ||0||SELECT PANEL(ATRFPCMN) NEWAPPL(RRSP)||RRS Resource Recovery System.

RRS on the commandline launches the application.

Kees.


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Re: z/OS 1.7 and Large Sequential Data Set Offering

2006-03-30 Thread R.S.

Ted MacNEIL wrote:

True, but not all VTOCs have INDEXes



Why not in this day and age?
Even my non-SMS volumes, few that they may be, have an index.

They were out long before SMS was.


My SPOOL volumes (or rather JES2 SPOOL volumes) have no index. And small 
VTOC.


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