date:20070326

We use ACC, and it has been a great product for us.  We have been able
to solve some very interesting problems with this product.

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Is anyone using either DTS Software's ACC (Alocation Control Center) or
Beta 
System's Beta-55 product?

Any information on user experiances with vendor and product (including 
product cost/maintenance) would be appreciated.

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IBMLINK update

2007-03-26 Thread Robert Justice

ATTENTION! ServiceLink on VM will sunset on May 31, 2007. 
  
  
 The withdrawal of VM ServiceLink is being extended to May 31, 2007.  
 Recent outages with the application used to authenticate users caused
 IBM Web applications (including ServiceLink applications on the Web) 
 to be inaccessible.  The extension will allow IBM the time needed to 
 thoroughly review the root causes and implement corrective actions.  
  

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date time system variables

2007-03-26 Thread Judy Ellis

I want to create a file that contain the system date  time when it is created. 
I don't want to use a GDG. I've looked everywhere and cannot locate the 
system variable for DATE  TIME. Does anyone know these?

thanks,

Judy Ellis

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Re: date time system variables

2007-03-26 Thread Lizette Koehler

Typically a scheduler product can support that type of function in a batch
job.  For STCs you can use the system variables as documented in SYMDEF in
Parmlib.  

The system variables do not (AFAIK)  translate in batch.

The other option is to create a generator job that builds the batch
jobstream (via REXX or CLIST) and then submits it.


Lizette


  Snip  

I want to create a file that contain the system date  time when it is
created. 
I don't want to use a GDG. I've looked everywhere and cannot locate the 
system variable for DATE  TIME. Does anyone know these?

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Re: Start of a PDSE rant was Re: OA03767 PDS/E Restriction

I agree with Sam.  PDSE data sets had some major problems during the
first 10 years after they were introduced, but IBM has made some major
improvements over the past 3 or 4 years.  We have over 32,900 PDSE data
sets in our main production sysplex, and we are heavy users of this
technology.  In the past 3 years, we have only had 2 significant issues
with PDSE data sets.  When compared to 7 significant VSAM issues we have
experienced, I would say that is pretty good (VSAM has been out for 35
years, but I do not see as much ranting about VSAM as I do about PDSE
data sets).

PDSE data sets have solved dozens of problems for us, and we are happy
with the technology.  If you have not tried them in the past 2 years,
consider giving PDSE data set another chance.


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I can show you my scars from an unplanned IPL last June caused by an
SMSPDSE failure:-( See APAR OA15185.  Still I think my opinion of PDSE
is much more positive than yours.  From our experience I can suggest a
few things.

If you are at z/OS R6 or higher consider use the restartable SMSPDSE
address space.

Install recommended service (ask IBM PDSE Level 2) and implement the
Partitioned Data Set Extended Restartable Address Space (SMSPDSE1) which
is a feature that was available at z/OS R6.
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/tips0531.html   

Implement private storage monitoring for SMSPDSE end critical address
spaces.  We use CA-SYSVIEW 11.5 and RMF doing this for NETSPOOL FSS
tasks, CICS Temp Storage regions, DB2 production DBM1 asids, SMSPDSE,
SMSPDSE1 and a few others who push the limits of what we can make
available in PVT/EPVT or have had a past history of private area storage
problems.

We have had some discussions with IBM but have not yet completed the
requisite virtual paperwork to open a marketing request to allow for the
existing PDSE storage monitoring to be extended to monitor it's own
private storage.  When I do that I will post the request # back into
this thread so others can reference it.  

In general PDSE is a 'Good thing'!   Using PDSE has allowed us to solve
a host of performance problems and avoid extra data set management steps
with in house and OEM software and it has been quite reliable in it's
current incarnation save the one incident last year.  I certainly
consider PDSE handled correctly to not be anymore of an integrity
problem than VSAM, IMS database, DB2 database, etc.   We have  3671 PDSE
data sets sitting in our normal DASD pools as of this morning and we
don't have problems with them.  Quite the contrary PDSE is the default
when we reallocate some libraries in our Endevor environments.
Typically when we get an x37 problem with a PDS the first thing someone
says is 'We should take time to reallocate all of the xyz libraries as
PDSE...'

GEICO worked with PDSE when it was first introduced (DFP 3.2 and some
flavor of MVS/ESA IIRC) and it was not ready for heavy lifting back
then. We had issues especially with large PDSE data sets used by many
address spaces with PDSE sharing and corruption. IBM PDSE developers
have done a lot since then with some good plans for the future based on
presentations at SHARE and other public forums.   My experience was that
from DFSMS 1.1 on PDSE has really matured enough to use for any critical
function you would use a PDS for save a few minor documented
restrictions.  PDSE here is doing just fine every day. I used it and
other native DFSMSdfp functions to save over $200K for a software
package proposed by an outside firm to solve a performance problem about
two years ago.

If anyone is avoiding PDSE based on old FUD you are doing yourself and
your employer no favors. 

A final thought is that running so lean and mean that finding 1/2 of a
CP suddenly occupied results in failure to meet business objectives is a
good argument to provision sufficient capacity for problems.  WLC
charging and capping can be used to insure you don't use or pay for all
installed capacity.  Capacity can be available on demand with CBU or
CUoD.   There was a good article Always there when you need z: Top ten
best practices for near continuous availability BY HARRIET MORRILL One
of the ten practices was to provide enough capacity to handle the
unexpected. 

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/e0z2n170.pdf

Lesson 7: Regularly adjust capacity to protect peak needs People think
of capacity as a performance issue, but capacity and performance are
availability issues. Slowdowns can be viewed as a type of outage.
Additionally, backup systems require extra capacity to carry on the work
of a failing one. From a capacity perspective, experience teaches us
that as soon as a system is set in place, it is obsolete. Typically
utilization goes up. Best-of-breed clients monitor

Re: VTAM Generic Resources

2007-03-26 Thread Gray, Larry - Larry A

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In my case, I would prefer it to favor the local lpar.  We have everyone
coming into that one lpar at present, so I have that lpar beefed up in
virtual terminals, etc.  This would give me a chance to add in the
support without having to add a lot of definitions to the other lpars.



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...
I... .  When connecting to a generic
resource, does it favor the application on the local lpar?  I am 
looking at switching our multisession manager to using generic 
resources, but most of our telnet sessions come in on one lpar.  Will 
it send most of the connections to that lpar, or is it going to do some

type of balancing?
...

By default VTAM prefers the the local LPAR.  That can be overriden by an
exit.

Since you mention telnet, a useful alternative would be to set up a
Sysplex Distributor for your Tn3270 servers (assuming they are on
MVS) and let SD do round robin or its (pretty feeble) load balancing. 
Then the multple, balanced Tn3270 servers would make sessions with the
local instance of the GR application.

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Re: date time system variables

2007-03-26 Thread van Arnhem, Gerrit

The static system symbols are documented in de MVS Init and Tuning
Reference   .

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Subject: date  time system variables

I want to create a file that contain the system date  time when it is
created. 
I don't want to use a GDG. I've looked everywhere and cannot locate the
system variable for DATE  TIME. Does anyone know these?

thanks,

Judy Ellis

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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)

With all due respect, you are thinking like a systems programmer.  Think of 
the great unwashed masses of other ISPF users who just want to *use* ISPF.

Whom do you think I wrote them for?

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Re: ISV Profits (Was RE: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...))

2007-03-26 Thread Rick Fochtman


-MUCH SNIPPAGE---

I don't profess to have all the answers; God knows I wish for that 
sort of wisdom but it just ain't happenin'. I'm only speaking what my 
own mind tells me MIGHT be a good way to deal with the situation. 
Experience may teach me differently but for the moment, I look on the 
situation through rose-colored glasses.



Experience would teach you differently. So escape into
the rose-colored world for as long as you can. But you'll
also miss out on a lot of adventure and fun.


unsnip---
They're rose colored glasses, not blinders. G Considering my budget at 
the moment, the adventure and fun are strictly spectator sports.


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Re: Start of a PDSE rant was Re: OA03767 PDS/E Restriction

If you have not tried them in the past 2 years,
consider giving PDSE data set another chance.

We took an IPL and a SYSPLEX hit due PDSE, just last week.
And (before anybody asks), we are current.

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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)

2007-03-26 Thread Rick Fochtman


Don Leahy wrote:

Also ISPF was a very powerful tool in its day.  Today the IDE's 
available for many of the environments allow people to be far more 
productive and give far

better value for the money.


I disagree.  If the proper tools are installed, there is no reason why 
developing on big iron is any less productive than the other 
platforms. ISPF, as delivered by IBM, isn't very productive, but there 
are add-on tools that you can acquire to fill in the gap.


---unsnip-
I partly agree with Don. But one other aspect needs to be considered: 
big iron capacity. If a ISPF-like environment can be established on the 
smaller iron, the workload reduction on the big iron MIGHT make the 
difference between upgrade this year and upgrade next year. Not so much 
a cost saving but rather a deferral of expenditure.


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Re: Start of a PDSE rant was Re: OA03767 PDS/E Restriction

Can you provide some details about your problem?  Was it a known problem
or a new problem? 

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We took an IPL and a SYSPLEX hit due PDSE, just last week.
And (before anybody asks), we are current.

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Re: date time system variables

2007-03-26 Thread Judy Ellis

thanks everyone for your input

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Re: Start of a PDSE rant was Re: OA03767 PDS/E Restriction

Can you provide some details about your problem?  Was it a known problem or a 
new problem? 

Don't know, yet.
Our service provider claims we are current.

The symptom was SMSPDSE abending on a S40D, and clobbering XCFAS and GRS on the 
other systems until we shut down the offending system.

The dump was sent ot IBM Friday morning, past.
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IBM vs Flex-Es - Why?

2007-03-26 Thread Warner Mach

I do not have any direct stake in the FLEX-ES vs IBM issue, but
I have been surprised that there does not seem to be much speculation
on why IBM is dropping the FLEX-ES connection; just complaints that
they are doing so ... Is the reason only known to a few IBM 
executives?
  .
To fill the void, I offer the following speculative reasons:
  .
1. Complaint: Fundamental Software is doing something that IBM does
not like ... This is probably not the reason, because if it was IBM
would state it.
  .
2. Economic: The IBM bean-counters have made a cold calculation that
they would make more money if Flex-Es was gone. Maybe having a lot 
of developers out there causes competition for IBM tools software(?).
Maybe IBM would make more revenue by forcing at least some of the 
folks who now use Flex-Es to buy 'real' hardware(?).
  .
3. Legal: The IBM lawyers have decided that the company would do 
better in court if they adopt a simple 'no emulation' stance. In that
way they can better confront any attempts by competitors to sell 
emulated mainframes.
  .
4. Openness: IBM has decided, based on their Linux experience, that
being proprietary is 'old school' and, in order to revitalize the 
mainframe they have to open it up. Of course, in order to do so, 
they have to gently let down any partners who are tied to the 
old school paradigm, such as Fundamental ... However, once this 
transition period is over they will: (a) Make source available and
back off of the OCO policy. (b) Provide some sort of option for
hobbyist/developer licenses that allows running on, for example,
Hercules. (c) Provide other options such as free unsupported 
experimental versions of the operating system (ala Red Hat) ...
(Mr. Palmisano, tear down this wall!). 

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Another REXX query

2007-03-26 Thread Sebastian Welton

I have a small bit of REXX which finds the running jobs, STC, TSO users, etc
and sorts them nicely. Using BPXBATCH I can then output this to the console
for some other purpose but I would like it to be tidy, it doesn't need to be
but...Anyway the original code looks like this:

output_line = Strip(job_name) Strip(type_of_task)
Say output_line
'BPXBATCH sh logger -d1' output_line

When running in batch (or foreground if you want your session locked up,)
both output statements are the same, i.e.:

+MYUSER: 16779803: PCAUTH System Task
+MYUSER: 16779840: IMS941F1 Batch Job
+MYUSER: 50334273: INIT Initiator
+MYUSER: 83888708: ASCHINT APPC Task
etc. etc. etc.

Now to tidy it up I do:

job_name = Strip(job_name)
job_name = Overlay(job_name,Copies(' ',10))
output_line = Strip(type_of_task)
Say output_line
'BPXBATCH sh logger -d1' output_line

This time the 'say' output is nicely formatted but the BPXBATCH stays as
previously without the formatting. I also tried adding copies of spaces at
the end but still no joy. Any ideas on how to format the text nicely?

Cheers,

Seb.

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Re: IBM vs Flex-Es - Why?

2007-03-26 Thread Rob Scott

4. Openness: IBM has decided, based on their Linux experience, that
being proprietary is 'old school' and, in order to revitalize the
mainframe they have to open it up. Of course, in order to do so, they
have to gently let down any partners who are tied to the old school
paradigm, such as Fundamental ... However, once this transition period
is over they will: (a) Make source available and back off of the OCO
policy. (b) Provide some sort of option for hobbyist/developer licenses
that allows running on, for example, Hercules. (c) Provide other options
such as free unsupported experimental versions of the operating system
(ala Red Hat) ...

Warner - you are a funny funny guy !! 


Rob Scott
Rocket Software, Inc
275 Grove Street
Newton, MA 02466
617-614-2305
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Warner Mach
Sent: 26 March 2007 09:09
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: IBM vs Flex-Es - Why?

I do not have any direct stake in the FLEX-ES vs IBM issue, but I have
been surprised that there does not seem to be much speculation on why
IBM is dropping the FLEX-ES connection; just complaints that they are
doing so ... Is the reason only known to a few IBM executives?
  .
To fill the void, I offer the following speculative reasons:
  .
1. Complaint: Fundamental Software is doing something that IBM does not
like ... This is probably not the reason, because if it was IBM would
state it.
  .
2. Economic: The IBM bean-counters have made a cold calculation that
they would make more money if Flex-Es was gone. Maybe having a lot of
developers out there causes competition for IBM tools software(?).
Maybe IBM would make more revenue by forcing at least some of the folks
who now use Flex-Es to buy 'real' hardware(?).
  .
3. Legal: The IBM lawyers have decided that the company would do better
in court if they adopt a simple 'no emulation' stance. In that way they
can better confront any attempts by competitors to sell emulated
mainframes.
  .
4. Openness: IBM has decided, based on their Linux experience, that
being proprietary is 'old school' and, in order to revitalize the
mainframe they have to open it up. Of course, in order to do so, they
have to gently let down any partners who are tied to the old school
paradigm, such as Fundamental ... However, once this transition period
is over they will: (a) Make source available and back off of the OCO
policy. (b) Provide some sort of option for hobbyist/developer licenses
that allows running on, for example, Hercules. (c) Provide other options
such as free unsupported experimental versions of the operating system
(ala Red Hat) ...
(Mr. Palmisano, tear down this wall!). 

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Re: DFSORT from z/OS 1.4 on LPAR running z/OS 1.7

2007-03-26 Thread Binyamin Dissen

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:09:46 -0700 Frank Yaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

:Greg,
:
:I've forwarded your question about using DFSORT R14 on z/OS 1.7 to Vicky
:Vezinaw, our installation person, and asked her to reply to you offline.
:(I'm on vacation today.)

:Frank Yaeger - DFSORT Team (IBM) - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Then why the h*ll are you reading these emails?

I don't think Friday should count as a vacation day for you.

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Re: Another REXX query

2007-03-26 Thread Veilleux, Jon L

I use SUBSTR to format my output lines in REXX. Here is an example from
an exec that  lists storage usage:

OUTLIN=SUBSTR('SYSID',1,6)||SUBSTR('CSASIZE',1,8),  
||SUBSTR('CSAUSED',1,10)||SUBSTR('CSAPARM',1,8)||SUBSTR('SLACK',1,8),   
||SUBSTR('ECSASIZE',1,10)||SUBSTR('ECSAPARM',1,10), 
||SUBSTR('ECSAUSED',1,10)||SUBSTR('PRIVATE',1,10)



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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sebastian Welton
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 9:17 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Another REXX query

I have a small bit of REXX which finds the running jobs, STC, TSO users,
etc and sorts them nicely. Using BPXBATCH I can then output this to the
console for some other purpose but I would like it to be tidy, it
doesn't need to be but...Anyway the original code looks like this:

output_line = Strip(job_name) Strip(type_of_task) Say output_line
'BPXBATCH sh logger -d1' output_line

When running in batch (or foreground if you want your session locked
up,) both output statements are the same, i.e.:

+MYUSER: 16779803: PCAUTH System Task
+MYUSER: 16779840: IMS941F1 Batch Job
+MYUSER: 50334273: INIT Initiator
+MYUSER: 83888708: ASCHINT APPC Task
etc. etc. etc.

Now to tidy it up I do:

job_name = Strip(job_name)
job_name = Overlay(job_name,Copies(' ',10)) output_line =
Strip(type_of_task) Say output_line 'BPXBATCH sh logger -d1' output_line

This time the 'say' output is nicely formatted but the BPXBATCH stays as
previously without the formatting. I also tried adding copies of spaces
at the end but still no joy. Any ideas on how to format the text nicely?

Cheers,

Seb.

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Re: ICSF on z890?

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 John,
 I don't remember how to check CPACF existence (AFAIR it was 
 option on Support Element), but for sure CPACF is a feature 
 listed on IBM config list - such document is usually part of 
 purchase order or other; it describes (in extremely unclear 
 form) the configuration of the purchased machine. 

 -- 
 Radoslaw Skorupka

Thanks. I got a PDF from another person, off line, with the steps laid
out. We do have CPACF installed and available. But I still am getting
nowhere. I guess it is time to open an ETR with IBM and plead for help.

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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)

2007-03-26 Thread Ed Gould


On Mar 26, 2007, at 6:01 AM, Don Leahy wrote:
-- 
SNIP




With all due respect, you are thinking like a systems programmer.   
Think of
the great unwashed masses of other ISPF users who just want to  
*use* ISPF.





Don,

Approximately 10 years ago a place where I  was working had VM  MVS.  
I won't go into the details but lets just say that in one day VM went  
poof so they had to convert quite a few people from VM to ISPF/MVS.


I volunteered to create a course from scratch for ISPF. I gave 5  
classes to the unwashed masses as you put it. I had them up and  
running in almost no time, it was a hands on class and everyone  
(except one) raved about ISPF. Mind you I am *NOT* a wiz bang ISPF  
person, just a sysprog who used it daily.


Now I know there are better editors but it works darn well (for me).

Ed


 
 


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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)

2007-03-26 Thread Thompson, Steve

-Original Message-
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Leahy
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:57 AM
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Subject: Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: 
Need help with Assembler ...)

 Also ISPF was a very powerful
 tool in its day.  Today the IDE's available for many of the
 environments allow people to be far more productive and give far
 better value for the money.

I disagree.  If the proper tools are installed, there is no reason why 
developing on big iron is any less productive than the other platforms. 
ISPF, as delivered by IBM, isn't very productive, but there are add-on tools 
that you can acquire to fill in the gap.
SNIP

Perhaps you would like to try TSO EDIT? Perhaps you would like to become 
intimately familiar with CLIST, and all the TSO commands?

I used to do ALL development that way. But then I used to do my own keypunching.

ISPF, with the edit macros provided by IBM (which give you colorized programs 
and such) is quite a productive environment.

I have also used OBS/WYLBUR (and am probably the last of its developers, thank 
you ACS), ROSCOE, TONE, and CMS (VM) along with ICCF (VSE). And also in my tool 
box I have Fujitsu COBOL, SPF/PC, VB 6, and some Linux based HTML editors 
environments.

So, since I do have more than a hammer, all problems don't look like nails to 
me.

And because I know how to use ISPF for batch and online 
compile/assembly/lnkedt, I make large use of multi-signons which is similar to 
running multiple windows in Linux or Windows.

HOWEVER, do not think I am praising ISPF. They still haven't fixed bugs that I 
reported in 1995-7 vis-à-vis MOD5. I am saying that it does allow one to be 
very productive given the environment. And when I do development on a PC, I 
generally go for a columnar oriented text editor, not a character oriented 
editor. The IDEs that I use on non-mainframe are terribly lacking in that 
regard.

Later,
Steve Thompson

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Re: ICSF on z890?

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 Subject: Re: ICSF on z890?

 McKown, John wrote:
  I simply cannot get ICSF to work on our z890 (2086-A04). We 
 don't have
  any crypto coprocessors.  I don't know if we have CPACF on 
 or not. Is
  there a way that I can tell from the HMC? If so, please be 
 specific as
  to what to do and what to look for (thanks).

  I have created the two VSAM files: CKDS  PKDS. They are
  uninitialized.
  I have created CSFPRM00 in PARMLIB.
  I have started the ICSF procedure.

  When I try to use the ISPF panels, I get OPTION NOT ACTIVE on just
  about everything that I try. In particular on MASTER KEY, then
  INIT/REFRESH CKDS and SET MK. I've followed the book to 
 the best of
  my ability. I had it working on our old z800 may moons ago. We are
  planning to upgrade to a z9BC in about a month. Should I 
 give up until
  then?

  --
  John McKown
 John,

 Do you have the CSF started task running? I am running that on a z890 
 without crypto coprocessors.

 Paul Gillis

Yes, I do. It starts with the messages:

CSFM101E PKA KEY DATA SET, TSSTV.CSF.PKDS IS NOT INITIALIZED.
CSFM100E CRYPTOGRAPHIC KEY DATA SET, TSSTV.CSF.CKDS IS NOT INITIALIZED
.
CSFM507I CRYPTOGRAPHY - THERE ARE NO CRYPTOGRAPHIC COPROCESSORS
ONLINE.
CSFM508I CRYPTOGRAPHY - THERE ARE NO CRYPTOGRAPHIC ACCELERATORS
ONLINE.
CSFM001I ICSF INITIALIZATION COMPLETE
CSFM400I CRYPTOGRAPHY - SERVICES ARE NOW AVAILABLE.

I think that I now need to initialize the PKDS and CKDS, but I cannot
figure out how. I go into the ICSF menus in ISPF, but almost all of them
say OPTION NOT AVAILABLE. Yes, I do have all the RACF work done and I
think it is correct.

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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)

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 List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)

snip

 Of course, there are always wish list items, but why do you
 say ISPF out of the bag isn't very productive?

 Kind regards,

 -Steve Comstock

Perhaps they are considering ISPF to be like an IDE such as Netbeans. I
wish that I had something that was as good for COBOL development as
Netbeans is for Java. Of course, Java has some inherent superiorities to
COBOL as far as being able to look inside to get things such as
parameters and Javadoc information for Help.

Of course, compared to ed, ISPF is very productive!

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Re: z/OS V1R7

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 Consider the merits of ISPF LMDLIST (akin to ISPF 3.4) in 
 batch REXX (or LISTCAT) for generating a
 dataset list based on a specified DSN prefix.  There are REXX 
 source code examples available on the
 Internet -- use The Google and search for +lmdlist +ispf 
 +rexx +dataset to find some examples.

 Sincerely,

 Scott Barry

It might be easier to use IGGCSI00 to do the catalog lookup. There is an
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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)

2007-03-26 Thread Steve Comstock


Don Leahy wrote:

ISPF forces you to remember a *lot* of data set names.

You can set up personal dataset lists, or write a front end to the 
editor,

or...

The point is, you are not 'forced' to do anything.

I have written many applications, myself, for ISPF, and, I see no need 
for

SPIFFY (or SIMPLIST -- especially since that one may have keys), a lot of
it is too easy to justify the cost of the product, especially with the
mainframe issues of today.


With all due respect, you are thinking like a systems programmer.  Think of
the great unwashed masses of other ISPF users who just want to *use* ISPF.


I agree with Don on this. No need to reinvent the wheel
and re-develop tools if the cost of the tools is less
than the cost of your doing it [again] yourself.

Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock

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Re: Another REXX query (and another nonspecific Subject:)

2007-03-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin

Please, use a more informative Subject:

In a recent note, Sebastian Welton said:

 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:16:33 -0500
 
 Say output_line
 'BPXBATCH sh logger -d1' output_line
 
 This time the 'say' output is nicely formatted but the BPXBATCH stays as
 previously without the formatting. I also tried adding copies of spaces at
 the end but still no joy. Any ideas on how to format the text nicely?
 
The shell will retokenize its command line, so you may need to make it
appear quoted to the shell, such as:

  'BPXBATCH sh logger -d1 '''output_line

.. but beware: you'll get syntax errors if output_line has
internal apostrophes.

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Re: date time system variables

2007-03-26 Thread Ed Finnell

 
In a message dated 3/26/2007 7:59:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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thanks  everyone for your input




Probably easiest is ISPF File Tailoring.  Access to ISPF variables and  
builtin functions. For  sample or MODEL try file 717 on  CBTtape.



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Re: Another REXX query (and another nonspecific Subject:)

2007-03-26 Thread Sebastian Welton

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:59:08 -0700, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

The shell will retokenize its command line, so you may need to make it
appear quoted to the shell, such as:

  'BPXBATCH sh logger -d1 '''output_line

.. but beware: you'll get syntax errors if output_line has
internal apostrophes.

Thats exactly it, many thanks. I presume with any internal apostrophes you
would have to quote them as well (')?

Seb.

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Re: ISPF not productive

I worked for a short time with SPIFFY and it was pure pain. Once I figured
out how to get rid of it I never looked back.

When I worked for a previous employer, they had Spiffy installed. There were
things about it I didn't like, but overall I found it to be light years
ahead of using regular ISPF. I guess others must have felt the same way,
otherwise my employer wouldn't have paid the $200,000 a year in annual
maintenance!

While that might seem like a lot of money, there were roughly 1,000 people
working on the mainframe. If Spiffy saved each worker an extremely
conservative estimate of at least 1 hour a week (and I would consider the
average to be much higher than that), do the math and you'll see $200,000 a
year was a bargain. Believe me, if it wasn't, my employer wouldn't have paid
it.

BTW: Some people advocate REFLISTS and the ISPF Workplace (etc), which of
course come 'free' with ISPF. Meanwhile, IBM sells Spiffy as an add-on
product to enhance ISPF. If Spiffy didn't do a *much* better job than
REFLISTS and all the other ISPF freebies, how do you think they'd be able to
sell it?

I found Spiffy to be much less intuitive than SimpList, and I was never
comfortable with the fact that Spiffy hijacks a lot of ISPF functions and
replaces them with its own. SimpList doesn't do that. It's there if you
need it, but you can ignore it if you wish; it is just another ISPF

application (although an *excellent* one indeed).

Thank you for that. It's true that some people don't like change, and when
they go to work one day and discover the ISPF interface is suddenly
different (e.g. because Spiffy was installed), they immediately panic and
try to get back to the old interface. It's a shame because if they stuck it
out a little while, they'd soon discover they could be *way* more
productive.

In contrast to Spiffy, SimpList doesn't change the regular ISPF panels. For
example, 3.4 still looks and acts exactly the same as it did before. It's
only if someone selects an option from the ISPF menu and knowingly launches
a SimpList session that things are different. If they don't want to select
the option and they want to continue using 3.4 or REFLISTS or the Workplace
(etc), that's up to them.

I'm a huge fan of ISPF; the editor is awesome and the ISPF services are
absolutely first class. IBM has done a superb job of supplying everything
that's necessary to develop extremely productive tools and utilities. They
also supply a fairly decent mainframe interface that many shops are content
to use (e.g. option 3.4 etc). However, it's not the only interface that's
available and it's far from being the best possible interface. For those who
prefer to drive something other than a black model 'T', there are choices
out there.

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Re: IBM-MAIN Digest - 24 Mar 2007 to 25 Mar 2007 (#2007-84)

2007-03-26 Thread Betsy Jeffery

I have downloaded the latest version of GDGCOPY from the CBT tape and have 
had no issues with it under z/OS 1.7

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Re: IBM vs Flex-Es - Why?

2007-03-26 Thread Bob Shannon

 So, if I were to speculate on an IBM motive, it is to put the small
ISV's  out of the z/OS development business.  

Go back to the archives and read the history of this issue before
jumping to conclusions. IBM discussed PSI and FLEX-ES at the last Vendor
Disclosure meeting. If you need information, you should work through
IBM, not through IBM-MAIN.

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Antwort: date time system variables

2007-03-26 Thread Albert Klimek

You can do it in REXX. The example creates a member in a PDS. 
fname = 'MY.PDS.DATASET'
outmem= 'MEM'!!substr(rundatjj,3,2)!!'M'!!rundatmm 
outdsn= fname!!'('!!outmem!!')' 
r = fopen(outdsn) 

 
 fopen: parse arg dsn 
 ALLOC FI(out) DA('dsn') OLD 
 if rczero then do 
   say '*** Error ALLOC, rc='!!rc 
   exit(ex) 
 end 
 return(zero) 

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Re: Need to define virtual CICS terminal

2007-03-26 Thread Gregory, Gary G

I've used sequential terminals for the last 20 years to do this type of
function.  The DFHTCT macro is fairly straight forward and easy to use
to define this type of terminal.


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Behalf Of Laura Prill
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Subject: Need to define virtual CICS terminal

Hello,

We are trying to define a virtual CICS/TS 2.2 terminal to enable a
third-party  
batch product (MacKinney Systems' MTPBATCH) to start a terminal-specific

CICS application transaction.  Has anyone successfully done this?  If
so, how 
did you do it?

We tried defining a Telnet LU and corresponding VTAM appl, and used the 
APPL name as the NETNAME in the CICS terminal definition.  This didn't
work.  
IBM Support told us the LU defined in the Telnet parms is the SLU
(client), and 
that CICS is concerned with the PLU, so a Telnet definition won't help.

We have also tried setting up a CICS console terminal using TYPETERM 
DFH$CONS, but are having trouble tying the CICS definition back to a 
CONSNAME and NETNAME since this isn't a physical terminal.  So far, IBM 
Support hasn't answered our question about whether this is possible.  

IBM Support has suggested using either 3270 Bridge, or a sequential
terminal 
definition, to get this done.  I know a little about 3270 Bridge, but
not enough 
to understand exactly how we would set it up to initiate a
terminal-specific 
transaction.  We used some sequential terminals years ago, but my 
understanding is that the one time they tried to use them in this
particular 
application, they did not work.  However, this may be our best hope to
get 
this done quickly.

Just looking for others' experience in this area.  Thanks in advance!

Laura Prill

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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)


From: Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Don,

Approximately 10 years ago a place where I  was working had VM  MVS.  I 
won't go into the details but lets just say that in one day VM went  poof 
so they had to convert quite a few people from VM to ISPF/MVS.


I volunteered to create a course from scratch for ISPF. I gave 5  classes 
to the unwashed masses as you put it. I had them up and  running in 
almost no time, it was a hands on class and everyone  (except one) raved 
about ISPF. Mind you I am *NOT* a wiz bang ISPF  person, just a sysprog who 
used it daily.


Now I know there are better editors but it works darn well (for me).



Ed,

Don mentioned in an earlier post that the ISPF editor is the 'gold standard' 
(or something like that). He's not criticising the ISPF editor, and he's 
certainly not the person who started this whole thread about ISPF not being 
productive. Someone else posted a message in which they said something like 
ISPF was good in its day, and Don responded by saying something like It's 
still good if you have the right tools. In other words, he came to the 
*defence* of ISPF. He also said words to the effect of it could be better, 
and gave some examples. Personally, I think he's bang on the mark.


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Re: IBM vs Flex-Es - Why?

2007-03-26 Thread Gary DiPillo


Warner,

I have a very direct stake in the issue.  We (my company) has been a PWD 
member for many years (1995).  We previously used a P390 and upgraded to 
an IBM Server x235 with the FLEX-ES software.  IBM KNOWS this, since the 
transaction had to be approved by them, and they provide the hardware 
service as well as the z/OS software service.  To date, I have never 
received a single communication from anyone in PartenerWorld or 
elsewhere in IBM regarding this issue.  They did not forget to bill me 
for the ADCD software.  If the FLEX-ES vendors did not make the 
information known in this and the FLEX-ES list, my zOS system (and quite 
possibly my business) would vanish early this summer.  Fortunately the 
vendors (not IBM) has given the FLEX-ES PWD user community a heads-up 
that they may have to make other arrangements.  There is nothing on the 
market that even remotely offers the level of service and reliability of 
my system for the price.  But not a single word from IBM and certainly 
not why.  And why speculate as to IBM's motivations?


Maybe some of the commercial FLEX users can buy real hardware, but the 
smaller ISV's will have a problem affording even the smallest z9 BC,  
finding the floor space for the machine where it has adequate support 
(at least 1500 lbs in a 9sq ft area, won't fit into, and will exceed the 
load limit, of the elevator up to our office suite), adequate A/C and 
power, and the machine does not come with DASD, so that cost, space and 
operating expense is also an issue.  So, if I were to speculate on an 
IBM motive, it is to put the small ISV's out of the z/OS development 
business.  But why would they want to do that, and cut off a very 
important source of the innovation that makes the z/OS environment so 
robust?


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Re: Compression call (CMPSC) questions

2007-03-26 Thread Graeme Gibson


Miklos,

ZLIB uses the DEFLATE compression algorithm;
CMPSC does compression by using a dictionary that the invoker 
provides, and building good dictionaries is a whole discipline in itself.

DEFLATE (ZLIB) and CMPSC are incompatible algorithms.

DEFLATE (ZLIB) will typically give you significantly higher 
compression ratios (say 5 or 6 to 1 for typical text) than CMPSC (3 
or 4 to 1 for typical text) but at a significantly higher CPU cost.


(reply to both IBM-MAIN and ASSEMBLER-LIST)

Regards,
Graeme
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At 06:20 PM 26/03/2007, you wrote:

   Hi

I have some questions about the CMPSC (compression call ) machine 
instruction :


the background is that, we have a PDF generator application, 
intensilvely uses the ZLIB compression algorithm (RFC1950- 1952), 
and it is using a lot of CPU time.

- is the generated compressed stream compattible with the ZLIB output ?
- someone has maybe some values about the compression perfomance and 
about the compression ratios.


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Re: ICSF on z890?

2007-03-26 Thread Jeffrey D. Smith

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of McKown, John
 Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 7:46 AM
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  -Original Message-
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  McKown, John wrote:
/snip

  Do you have the CSF started task running? I am running that on a z890
  without crypto coprocessors.

  Paul Gillis

 Yes, I do. It starts with the messages:

 CSFM101E PKA KEY DATA SET, TSSTV.CSF.PKDS IS NOT INITIALIZED.
 CSFM100E CRYPTOGRAPHIC KEY DATA SET, TSSTV.CSF.CKDS IS NOT INITIALIZED
 .
 CSFM507I CRYPTOGRAPHY - THERE ARE NO CRYPTOGRAPHIC COPROCESSORS
 ONLINE.
 CSFM508I CRYPTOGRAPHY - THERE ARE NO CRYPTOGRAPHIC ACCELERATORS
 ONLINE.
 CSFM001I ICSF INITIALIZATION COMPLETE
 CSFM400I CRYPTOGRAPHY - SERVICES ARE NOW AVAILABLE.

 I think that I now need to initialize the PKDS and CKDS, but I cannot
 figure out how. I go into the ICSF menus in ISPF, but almost all of them
 say OPTION NOT AVAILABLE. Yes, I do have all the RACF work done and I
 think it is correct.

 --
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Greetings,

FWIW, it appears that the hardware is offline. Without the hardware,
ICSF cannot initialize the data sets, because it needs the master
key authentication pattern that is contained within the crypto secure
boundary. That's as far as my thinking goes on this.

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Re: ISV Profits (Was RE: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...))

2007-03-26 Thread Craddock, Chris

It seems to me that a lot of people are in a pretty deep state of denial
about the state of the mainframe business right now. Whether or not ISV
software is the root of all evil, people still spend a lot of money on
it. If the value was not there, economics says that competitors would
come in and lower the price, or that a loss of demand would lower the
price. Either way, prices are elastic and represent what the market will
bear. 

And there's the rub. The mainframe market is small enough that a lot of
the people who are involved in it know each other on a first name basis.
When a company contemplates creating a (mainframe) product they know
that there are perhaps 10,000 potential customers. If you don't like
that number, add or remove a few thousand. It doesn't materially alter
the economics of this space.

Software vendors are not charities and so they have to get, both
development and operating cost recovery, as well as some profit from a
market where most of the moderately successful products are going to
have less than 1000 customers and an out-of-the-park home run will have
only a few thousand takers. If you do the math you will see that such a
market dictates high unit prices. There is no way around it. And if the
software vendors go away, what happens to the market and the jobs (yours
and ours) that depend on it?

Now you can correctly and constructively argue that the software vendors
aren't very efficient and that is surely reflected in profitability
which is fairly low by US business standards. That has a bearing on
pricing too, as does the fact that the mainframe software market is
still carrying most of the burden for development of distributed
products - most of which still are not profitable after all these years.


But even allowing for all of that, unit prices are going to have to
remain somewhat high or more companies will go out of business or be
swallowed up. That much is fairly certain.

CC

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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)


From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have written many applications, myself, for ISPF, and, I see no need for 
SPIFFY (or SIMPLIST -- especially since that one may have keys), a lot of 
it is too easy to justify the cost of the product, especially with the 
mainframe issues of today.


SimpList does indeed use a key. If you installed it, the mainframe users at 
your site would see their productivity increase by several hours per week 
and your employer would save a ton of money. I'm sure your time is valuable, 
but it's hard to see how entering a 16 character license key in a flat file 
once a year would offset the enormous cost savings to your employer and the 
hours that would be saved each and every week by all the mainframe users at 
your site? Is this 'key avoidance' policy mandated by your employer? If not 
(i.e. if it's your own personal policy), does your employer know about your 
policy and support it?


FYI: Several years ago, a company I know of decided to move off the 
mainframe. Many of the usual reasons were cited such as a steep learning 
curve, low productivity, unfriendly user interface (etc). Management were 
concerned with the steep risk and huge expense of moving to a different 
platform, and naturally the systems programmers were concerned with the 
prospect of losing their jobs. However, the siren call of the GUI interface 
and the prospect of increased productivity could not be ignored.


Without seeking approval from anyone, a programmer at the site installed a 
free trial copy of SimpList. He showed it to his colleagues, and in next to 
no time every single developer at the site was using it. That was 3 years 
ago, and the product has been licensed there ever since. Today, there is no 
talk whatsoever about moving off the mainframe. The developers are happy, 
management is happy, and most of all the systems programmers are happy. Even 
the one who has to enter a new license key every year.


Dave Salt
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Re: IBM vs Flex-Es - Why?

2007-03-26 Thread Charles Mills

My wild guess would be something along the lines of 2 (although I would not
be privy to the information if 1 or 3 were the root cause).

The costs of the FLEX program are obvious: the time of all of the people
involved, and the (theoretical, but very measurable) loss of revenue on VERY
deeply discounted hardware and software.

The benefits are harder to measure: the benefit of having a bunch of small
vendors. 

Perhaps the small vendors are just not strategic to IBM. It's easier to deal
with a modest handful of large players than a passel of large, medium,
small, and tiny players.

Charles

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I do not have any direct stake in the FLEX-ES vs IBM issue, but
I have been surprised that there does not seem to be much speculation
on why IBM is dropping the FLEX-ES connection; just complaints that
they are doing so ... Is the reason only known to a few IBM 
executives?
  .
To fill the void, I offer the following speculative reasons:
  .
1. Complaint: Fundamental Software is doing something that IBM does
not like ... This is probably not the reason, because if it was IBM
would state it.
  .
2. Economic: The IBM bean-counters have made a cold calculation that
they would make more money if Flex-Es was gone. Maybe having a lot 
of developers out there causes competition for IBM tools software(?).
Maybe IBM would make more revenue by forcing at least some of the 
folks who now use Flex-Es to buy 'real' hardware(?).
  .
3. Legal: The IBM lawyers have decided that the company would do 
better in court if they adopt a simple 'no emulation' stance. In that
way they can better confront any attempts by competitors to sell 
emulated mainframes.

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Re: ICSF on z890?

2007-03-26 Thread Doc Farmer

You might want to cross-post this over at RACF-L...


On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:34:22 -0500, McKown, John 
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I simply cannot get ICSF to work on our z890 (2086-A04). We don't have
any crypto coprocessors.  I don't know if we have CPACF on or not. Is
there a way that I can tell from the HMC? If so, please be specific as
to what to do and what to look for (thanks).

I have created the two VSAM files: CKDS  PKDS. They are
uninitialized.
I have created CSFPRM00 in PARMLIB.
I have started the ICSF procedure.

When I try to use the ISPF panels, I get OPTION NOT ACTIVE on just
about everything that I try. In particular on MASTER KEY, then
INIT/REFRESH CKDS and SET MK. I've followed the book to the best of
my ability. I had it working on our old z800 may moons ago. We are
planning to upgrade to a z9BC in about a month. Should I give up until
then?

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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)


Don Leahy said:
I have hundreds of different DB2 tables that I need to look at.  I use 
SPUFI all the time, but keeping track of table names on scraps of paper 
is yet another productivity drain.


Ted MacNEIL said:

Why is this a limitation to ISPF?
ISPF doesn't maintain DB2 tables; DB2 does.


Why *isn't* it a limitation of ISPF? ISPF is the user interface to the 
mainframe, in just the same way as Windows is the user interface to the PC. 
If I'm working on my PC and I click a PDF document, Windows opens the Adobe 
reader. If I click an XMI file (which MicroSoft might not even have heard 
of), Windows launches the XMI browser I downloaded. I can click MP3 files, 
REXX files, JPEG files (etc etc) and Windows launches the appropriate tool.


The mainframe is a platform to be proud of. You should expect the interface 
to do more than what other operating systems can do, not less.


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Re: IBM vs Flex-Es - Why?

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snip

 Perhaps the small vendors are just not strategic to IBM. It's 
 easier to deal
 with a modest handful of large players than a passel of large, medium,
 small, and tiny players.

 Charles

Reminds me of one of the Capital One(?) bank ads, where the big banks
don't want to be bothered with small business loans. It __appears__
that IBM, at least on the System z side of the house, wants only the
high volume, higher profit market. shrug. It's difficult to argue
with that. Unless there is a way to show that short term profits will
likely lead to the long term death of the market (as many here believe).
But, then again, salesmen generally only care about today's sale, next
quarter they may be selling something else. Again, a fact of life in
today's world where everything is deemed ephemeral. 

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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)

2007-03-26 Thread Chase, John

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Dave Salt

 From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I have written many applications, myself, for ISPF, and, I see no
need 
 for SPIFFY (or SIMPLIST -- especially since that one may have keys),
a 
 lot of it is too easy to justify the cost of the product, especially 
 with the mainframe issues of today.

 SimpList does indeed use a key. [ snip ]

 FYI: Several years ago, a company I know of decided to move 
 off the mainframe. Many of the usual reasons were cited  
 However, the siren call of the 
 GUI interface and the prospect of increased productivity 
 could not be ignored.

 Without seeking approval from anyone, a programmer at the 
 site installed a free trial copy of SimpList. [ snip ]

Nowadays, a programmer who did something like that would likely be fired
on the spot.

-jc-

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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)

2007-03-26 Thread Jon Brock

Depends on which shop.  You could probably get away with that with no trouble 
at a lot of smaller shops.

Jon



snip
 Without seeking approval from anyone, a programmer at the 
 site installed a free trial copy of SimpList. [ snip ]

Nowadays, a programmer who did something like that would likely be fired
on the spot.
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Re: ICSF on z890?

2007-03-26 Thread Schramm, Rob

If you are just trying to get up and running for testing.. just use the
PassPhrase init. 6  PPINIT -  Pass Phrase Master Key/CKDS
Initialization.. it is very easy.  I don't think it is recommended to
stay in that mode for production.. but it is a sysprog dream when you
are just trying to get a handle on everything and get it up and running
the first time.

I did that for the tire-kicking and some initial testing before heading
down some of the more difficult issues.

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Re: ICSF on z890?

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 If you are just trying to get up and running for testing.. 
 just use the
 PassPhrase init. 6  PPINIT -  Pass Phrase Master Key/CKDS
 Initialization.. it is very easy.  I don't think it is recommended to
 stay in that mode for production.. but it is a sysprog dream when you
 are just trying to get a handle on everything and get it up 
 and running
 the first time.

 I did that for the tire-kicking and some initial testing 
 before heading
 down some of the more difficult issues.

I tried. I get 'OPTION NOT AVAILABLE'. Yes, I have the CSF started task
going.

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Re: z/VM (was RE: Start of a PDSE rant was Re: OA03767 PDS/E Restriction

2007-03-26 Thread Jon Brock

OK, I can wait until about 28 August, then.  

Jon



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VLF vs ISC for catalogs

2007-03-26 Thread Jon Brock

As part of a drive to increase catalog performance, I am thinking of moving a 
couple of our catalogs from ISC to VLF caching.  A limited test I have done 
seems to show that it would help, but I am interested in hearing whether you 
folks out there (or as we say around here, y'all) use VLF or ISC for your 
hard-hit catalogs.


Thanks,
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Re: Compression call (CMPSC) questions

2007-03-26 Thread Graeme Gibson


Miklos,

While I am not so familiar with the PDF building process, I would 
assume that the application you mention must use whatever compression 
algorithms have been defined by Adobe Systems in their specification 
of the PDF file structure.  It's the Adobe PDF Reader that 
uncompresses this data and whatever it supports is what must be 
used.  The CMPSC instruction does not strictly constitute an 
algorithm by itself as the dictionary used (suipplied by the invoker) 
is an essential part of the algorithm.  I believe it is not a 
requirement to use compression within a PDF file, so perhaps you 
could just allow your PDF files to be bigger and thus significantly 
reduce CPU consumption.


If I have misunderstood your original post and you are actually 
compressing** entire PDF files after they have been built, then you 
must consider the environment where these files are going to be 
decompressed.  If they are going to be retrieved by web browsers then 
it is essential to use a file structure (eg zip file) which is 
understood (ie. supported) by web browsers.


As to algorithm costs, one of the major CPU costs (around 20%) within 
most implementations of the DEFLATE algorithm is generating the 32 
bit CRC value which is a required part of every ZIP file member.  The 
DEFLATE algorithm itself does not require this CRC (it's part of the 
ZIP file architecture) but I think ZLIB generates it as a matter of 
course.  Having said that, I would not be surprised if the PDF file 
use of compression requires a CRC value.


It may be that you should consider off-loading the PDF creation 
process to another platform and then shipping the product (a PDF 
file?) back to the mainframe, if that is where it is required.  While 
I realise that off-loading may be an unpalatable idea to many of us 
on this list, if you have a cpu-intensive process pushing you towards 
a capacity increment then it makes sense to at least investigate that 
approach.  Keep in mind that each mainframe capacity increment, with 
all its associated increased software costs, may be adding ammunition 
to someone else's case for moving entirely off the mainframe.


Regards,
Graeme

** It's usually not very useful to try compressing PDF files as they 
often contain compressed data so that little additional compression 
can be achieved.



At 01:49 AM 27/03/2007, you wrote:

Hi Greame

Thank you vey much.
I see you are a compresion specialist,
Maybe you have some suggestion for a faster compression ?


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Re: ICSF on z890?

2007-03-26 Thread Dennis Trojak

Is SSM(YES) set in your CSFPRMxx member? 

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 Subject: Re: ICSF on z890?

 If you are just trying to get up and running for testing.. 
 just use the
 PassPhrase init. 6  PPINIT -  Pass Phrase Master Key/CKDS
 Initialization.. it is very easy.  I don't think it is recommended to
 stay in that mode for production.. but it is a sysprog dream when you
 are just trying to get a handle on everything and get it up 
 and running
 the first time.

 I did that for the tire-kicking and some initial testing 
 before heading
 down some of the more difficult issues.

I tried. I get 'OPTION NOT AVAILABLE'. Yes, I have the CSF started task
going.

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Re: ICSF on z890?

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 Is SSM(YES) set in your CSFPRMxx member? 

Yes. I have an ETR open with IBM, crying for help.

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Re: Correct HR for MQ Series...?

2007-03-26 Thread jim harrison

Didn't see an answer to this one - the MQ list is 
MQSERIES@LISTSERV.MEDUNIWIEN.AC.AT


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Is there a newsgroup dedicated to MQSeries?

I have some questions about using the product and which exits, if any, I
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Re: VLF vs ISC for catalogs

ISC limits the amount of cache used for each catalog, and ISC is a
dumb cache when compared to VLF.

When a catalog using ISC is shared with multiple systems and the Catalog
Address Space (CAS) detects an update from another system, CAS will
invalidate all the records in ISC.  When a catalog using VLF is shared
with multiple systems and CAS detects an update from another system,
only the records updated will get invalidated, and the rest of the
records for that catalog will remain in VLF.

All of my catalogs are using VLF.  I used to exclude the master
catalogs, but there were enough times when an update from another system
would cause all of the records the master catalog to get flushed out of
ISC.


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Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 1:32 PM
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Subject: VLF vs ISC for catalogs

As part of a drive to increase catalog performance, I am thinking of
moving a couple of our catalogs from ISC to VLF caching.  A limited test
I have done seems to show that it would help, but I am interested in
hearing whether you folks out there (or as we say around here, y'all)
use VLF or ISC for your hard-hit catalogs.


Thanks,
Jon

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Re: VLF vs ISC for catalogs

2007-03-26 Thread Mark Steely

A little off the subject..if you are not sharing catalogs is it still a
good idea to put the catalogs in VLF? 

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Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:26 PM
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Subject: Re: VLF vs ISC for catalogs

ISC limits the amount of cache used for each catalog, and ISC is a
dumb cache when compared to VLF.

When a catalog using ISC is shared with multiple systems and the Catalog
Address Space (CAS) detects an update from another system, CAS will
invalidate all the records in ISC.  When a catalog using VLF is shared
with multiple systems and CAS detects an update from another system,
only the records updated will get invalidated, and the rest of the
records for that catalog will remain in VLF.

All of my catalogs are using VLF.  I used to exclude the master
catalogs, but there were enough times when an update from another system
would cause all of the records the master catalog to get flushed out of
ISC.

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Subject: VLF vs ISC for catalogs

As part of a drive to increase catalog performance, I am thinking of
moving a couple of our catalogs from ISC to VLF caching.  A limited test
I have done seems to show that it would help, but I am interested in
hearing whether you folks out there (or as we say around here, y'all)
use VLF or ISC for your hard-hit catalogs.

Thanks,
Jon

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Re: ICSF on z890?

Well, it just appears the problem was in my understanding. Apparently
without a crypto card, this is as far as I get. I can use clear key
encryption, but not master keys. I just didn't understand that from
the manual. What I was using as a test is not valid with clear key
encryption, but it was not really obvious to me that this was the case.

WAD

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Re: REXX Question (subject too broad)

2007-03-26 Thread Patrick O'Keefe

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 05:58:45 +, Dave Salt 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...
As you know, there is already a language out there called CLIST. To
describe REXX as a REXX CLIST is (IMO) at the very least 
redundant, and at
worst, confusing.  It's more than enough to just say REXX. After all, 
a
CLIST is just a CLIST, and I've never heard anyone describe it as 
a CLIST
clist.
...

Both TSO and NetView allow clists and execs to  coexist in their CLIST
libraries.  Refering to the content of the library as clists seems 
reasonable to me.  But more to the point: it doesn't matter.  Once
we're talking 3270 datastream it doesn't much matter what created it.


...
(i.e. D4C32XX3). I tried it, and the invisible field started working. ...
So to me, the logmode doesn't appear to
be irrelevant, whether in principle or otherwise.
...

The logmode is absolutely irrelevant in theory.  The non-display 
attribute has existed since before logmodes.   It sounds like either 
the 3270 emulator involved has incorrectly incorrectly tied something
to logmode processing, or the program building the datastream has
implemented the non-display as some extended attribute (if such an
an extended attribute exists) rather than using a simple field 
attribute.

Chris's statement is correct.

Pat O'Keefe  

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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)

 Without seeking approval from anyone, a programmer at the 
 site installed a free trial copy of SimpList. [ snip ]

Nowadays, a programmer who did something like that would likely be fired on 
the spot.

I have to get permission to install CBT (and other) ware.

I can get away with EXEC's and CLIST's.
No load modules unless I compile/assemble them, myself.

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Re: VLF vs ISC for catalogs

 you folks out there (or as we say around here, y'all) use VLF or ISC for 
 your hard-hit catalogs.

I put all the TSO catalogues, and our Production Catalogue (everything started 
with the same HLQ) into VLF, years ago.
And, the last thing I did in that former life was enlarge the allocated memory.

Response and throughput improved measurably (especially production).

But, you have to have enough memory (virtual and real -- paging defeats the 
purpose).

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Re: ISPF SRCHFOR and member lists

2007-03-26 Thread Tim Hare

You can (and I just learned this the other week, having never thought to 
try it before), issue SRCHFOR string on the command line of a member 
listing in edit or view, and it will search each member for the string, 
and show you (via *Found in the Prompt column) each member where it was 
found.


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DFSMSdss DOC APAR OA20117 (was RE: HSM Missing Member from Recalled Dataset -- Update

2007-03-26 Thread Chase, John

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Richards.Bob
 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:01 PM
 
 No, and I just read it a few hours ago in an attempt to help 
 you. That DEFAULT behavior WAS NOT documented.

The subject DOC APAR closed today, 26 March.

I VIGOROUSLY RECOMMEND anybody who uses DFSMSdss full-volume or
track-range (aka physical) DUMP / RESTORE for D/R, data movement, etc.
to READ AND UNDERSTAND this DOC APAR.  You **ARE** at risk of losing
data or data integrity via DFSMSdss Full-volume or track-range (aka
physical) DUMP / RESTORE if you have ANY OTHER PRODUCT that depends
upon the setting of the change bit in the Format-1 DSCB.

The DFSMSdss Level 2 rep also submitted Marketing Request #
MR0302074136, requesting that a switch (similar to the RESET keyword
on DUMP) be provided to allow the user to specify how DFSMSdss should
handle the change bit at RESTORE time.  Those interested should add
their voices via appropriate channels.

SHARE members who have not done so, please vote on Requirement #
SSMVSS07002, which requests a design change to DFSMSdss' default
behavior on full-volume RESTORE.

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Re: VLF vs ISC for catalogs

A little off the subject..

I don't see where it's off the subject -- it's still regarding VLF.

if you are not sharing catalogs is it still a
good idea to put the catalogs in VLF? 

Yes, if the catalogues are very active.
ISC still has a fixed amount of memory.

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Re: ISPF SRCHFOR and member lists

2007-03-26 Thread Imbriale, Donald

You can then put your cursor on Prompt and press enter to sort the list
by the contents of the Prompt field so all members where the string was
found are shown at the top of the list.

Don Imbriale
 
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You can (and I just learned this the other week, having never thought to

try it before), issue SRCHFOR string on the command line of a member 
listing in edit or view, and it will search each member for the string, 
and show you (via *Found in the Prompt column) each member where it was 
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Anyone running XRC with z/os 1.8

2007-03-26 Thread Andy White

FYI -
  To anyone running z/OS 1.8 you might want to look at hiper ptf
UA32571. We were going up on z/OS 1.8 RSU0701 on our datamover/sdm systems.
The ptf UA32571 was available 03/01/07 we went up on it without the ptf on
3/21/07. We typically check the psp buckets for hipers only once a month.
Either way this caused us data loss on our secondary volumes.

  If you running z/OS 1.8 on a data mover system for XRC you should
have the PTF on. This caused us to have to resync our primary to secondary
dasd this past weekend. I've updated the PMR I had open with IBM to send
out an alert around to other customers of XRC. Its not needed on the non
datamover systems.


Thanks
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Re: ISPF SRCHFOR and member lists

2007-03-26 Thread Mark Vitale

This isn't working for me from a member list (but I can issue SRCHFOR
from DSLIST).
When I issue SRCHFOR from a member list, I get Invalid command.
This is on our z/OS 1.4 system - I haven't tried it on other releases.
Is this because the feature doesn't exist in 1.4, or perhaps I'm missing
some TSO customization?



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 You can then put your cursor on Prompt and press enter to 
 sort the list by the contents of the Prompt field so all 
 members where the string was found are shown at the top of the list.
 
 Don Imbriale
  
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 You can (and I just learned this the other week, having never 
 thought to
 
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 member listing in edit or view, and it will search each 
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Re: IBM vs Flex-Es - Why?

2007-03-26 Thread Charles Mills

What a vendor MIGHT do to encourage developers:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2106952,00.asp 

Charles

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Re: ISPF SRCHFOR and member lists

2007-03-26 Thread Imbriale, Donald

SRCHFOR for member lists was added in 1.5

Don Imbriale

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This isn't working for me from a member list (but I can issue SRCHFOR
from DSLIST).
When I issue SRCHFOR from a member list, I get Invalid command.
This is on our z/OS 1.4 system - I haven't tried it on other releases.
Is this because the feature doesn't exist in 1.4, or perhaps I'm missing
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Re: ISPF SRCHFOR and member lists

2007-03-26 Thread Mark Vitale

 
 SRCHFOR for member lists was added in 1.5
 

Thanks.

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Re: IBM vs Flex-Es - Why? + ibm-main anamoly

2007-03-26 Thread Steve Comstock


Charles Mills wrote:

My wild guess would be something along the lines of 2 (although I would not
be privy to the information if 1 or 3 were the root cause).

The costs of the FLEX program are obvious: the time of all of the people
involved, and the (theoretical, but very measurable) loss of revenue on VERY
deeply discounted hardware and software.

The benefits are harder to measure: the benefit of having a bunch of small
vendors. 


Perhaps the small vendors are just not strategic to IBM. It's easier to deal
with a modest handful of large players than a passel of large, medium,
small, and tiny players.


This seems to be the case with IBM education; they used to hire
out a variety of instructors as sub-contractors (including yours
truly from time to time). Now they have narrowed the contractors
they deal with to a dozen; if you're a small guy you have to have
an affiliation with one of the dozen; and these guys pay peanuts
and keep the markup.


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but it seems to only be IBM-Main (e.g.: see the end of this
post)

[well, i tried to show it but got rejected for too much
quoted material - most of which was all the newlines]


---

Kind regards,


Charles

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Subject: IBM vs Flex-Es - Why?

I do not have any direct stake in the FLEX-ES vs IBM issue, but
I have been surprised that there does not seem to be much speculation
on why IBM is dropping the FLEX-ES connection; just complaints that
they are doing so ... Is the reason only known to a few IBM 
executives?

  .
To fill the void, I offer the following speculative reasons:
  .
1. Complaint: Fundamental Software is doing something that IBM does
not like ... This is probably not the reason, because if it was IBM
would state it.
  .
2. Economic: The IBM bean-counters have made a cold calculation that
they would make more money if Flex-Es was gone. Maybe having a lot 
of developers out there causes competition for IBM tools software(?).
Maybe IBM would make more revenue by forcing at least some of the 
folks who now use Flex-Es to buy 'real' hardware(?).

  .
3. Legal: The IBM lawyers have decided that the company would do 
better in court if they adopt a simple 'no emulation' stance. In that
way they can better confront any attempts by competitors to sell 
emulated mainframes.



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Re: IBM vs Flex-Es - Why? + ibm-main anamoly

2007-03-26 Thread Art Celestini

At 08:53 PM 3/26/2007, Steve Comstock wrote:

This seems to be the case with IBM education; they used to hire
out a variety of instructors as sub-contractors (including yours
truly from time to time). Now they have narrowed the contractors
they deal with to a dozen; if you're a small guy you have to have
an affiliation with one of the dozen; and these guys pay peanuts
and keep the markup.

This happened a few years ago with a contract programming deal I was
considering in Poughkeepsie.  With the middleman in there, the best 
I would wind up with was about 2/3rds my usual rate.  Although it 
would have been a neat project to work on, I had to say, Thanks, 
but no thanks.  

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be the trial version of CA Security Center I'm working with,
but it seems to only be IBM-Main (e.g.: see the end of this
post)

Nothing here.  Maybe it's the input side on your end.




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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)

2007-03-26 Thread Ed Gould


On Mar 26, 2007, at 9:57 AM, Dave Salt wrote:



Ed,

Don mentioned in an earlier post that the ISPF editor is the 'gold  
standard' (or something like that). He's not criticising the ISPF  
editor, and he's certainly not the person who started this whole  
thread about ISPF not being productive. Someone else posted a  
message in which they said something like ISPF was good in its  
day, and Don responded by saying something like It's still good  
if you have the right tools. In other words, he came to the  
*defence* of ISPF. He also said words to the effect of it could be  
better, and gave some examples. Personally, I think he's bang on  
the mark.




Dave,

I guess I must have misread his entry.
In anycase I had a friend who was working on a web mail problem (long  
story deleted) he could only delete 100 emails at a time. I told him  
too bad he didn't have ISPF as he could have deleted all of them with  
one command. I personally think its one step above the gold  
standard Yes I know about ROSCOE and the others (Wylbur etc.) and  
while they are OK once you learn them I found I kept wishing that I  
had ISPF. So maybe it should be called the PLATINUM standard?


Ed


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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)


From: Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED]
maybe the ISPF editor should be called the PLATINUM standard?


Ed,

Or perhaps even the 'Gould' standard?;-)

The point is, I'm with you all the way! The ISPF editor is the best I've 
ever used. For one thing, you just can't beat the ability to enter line 
commands. Even when I edit a file on my PC, I select it on the mainframe and 
edit it there. But I watched a customer one day and he did the exact 
opposite; he would select a member from a list and it would open on his PC 
and he would edit it there. Each to his own!


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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)

2007-03-26 Thread John S. Giltner, Jr.


Dave Salt wrote:



Ted MacNEIL said:


Why is this a limitation to ISPF?
ISPF doesn't maintain DB2 tables; DB2 does.



Why *isn't* it a limitation of ISPF? ISPF is the user interface to the 
mainframe, in just the same way as Windows is the user interface to the 
PC. If I'm working on my PC and I click a PDF document, Windows opens 
the Adobe reader. If I click an XMI file (which MicroSoft might not even 
have heard of), Windows launches the XMI browser I downloaded. I can 
click MP3 files, REXX files, JPEG files (etc etc) and Windows launches 
the appropriate tool.


The mainframe is a platform to be proud of. You should expect the 
interface to do more than what other operating systems can do, not less.


Dave Salt


Windows does not do this on its own.  Windows has no clue how to read a 
PDF file.  You have a program that knows how and this program tells 
Windows when you see a file that ends in .pdf then you need to execute 
me.  Windows provides the base that allows you to write a program to do 
what you want and the methods to launch that program.  Windows does not 
automatically know how to handle every file type.  You need to tell it 
what to do.


So, just like in Windows, TSO provides you the ability to write any 
program you want to do anything you want and you can use ISPF on top of 
your program.


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IEC361I message question

2007-03-26 Thread Niran Kamaksorn

Hi all, 
I got  a call from operator that there is message of this alert at the console. 
IEC361I CATALOG UCAT.VPA0509.IMSP01 (DATA)  HAS REACHED   96% OF THE MAXIMUM 
EXTENTS 
and I found that UCAT.VPA0509.IMSP01 has been extended up to 118 although I 
have deleted many data sets that related to this catalog. 
How can I decrease the number of this VSAM extent ? 
Anyone can suggest me to resolve this ? 
Thanks in advance, 
Notty  

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Re: IEC361I message question

2007-03-26 Thread Ron Hawkins

Niran,

Deleting files will not free up the extents. It will release space in the
CI's and possibly CA's, but there is no guarantee that you have effectively
slowed your extent growth.

I'm afraid you need to schedule reorg of this catalog. I suggest you review
your Primary and Secondary allocation while you are at it.

Ron

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 Behalf Of Niran Kamaksorn
 Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2007 10:39 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: IEC361I message question
 
 Hi all,
 I got  a call from operator that there is message of this alert at the
 console.
 IEC361I CATALOG UCAT.VPA0509.IMSP01 (DATA)  HAS REACHED   96% OF THE
 MAXIMUM EXTENTS
 and I found that UCAT.VPA0509.IMSP01 has been extended up to 118 although
 I have deleted many data sets that related to this catalog.
 How can I decrease the number of this VSAM extent ?
 Anyone can suggest me to resolve this ?
 Thanks in advance,
 Notty
 
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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)

2007-03-26 Thread Ron Hawkins

Ed,

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Ron

 In anycase I had a friend who was working on a web mail problem (long
 story deleted) he could only delete 100 emails at a time. I told him
 too bad he didn't have ISPF as he could have deleted all of them with
 one command. 
 
 Ed
 

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Re: Need for small machines was Re: Macro List/Execute Forms (Was: Need help with Assembler ...)