DASD Space Allocation

2008-08-15 Thread Kenneth J. Kripke
Recap: 
Situation came up on a client site where they received a very large file,
2.988 million records, and allocate the file size at (cyl,(2500,100)) with a
unit parameter of sysda,10; the file is received across 2 volumes in 20
extents totaling 4,331 cylinders. I am not concerned about the extents, what
I don't understand is the space allocation.

Explanation: 
Reference: 1R9.0 Using Data Sets:

1.3.4.2 Multivolume Non-VSAM Data Sets 
When a multivolume non-VSAM, non-extended-format data set extends to the next 
volume,
the initial space allocated on that volume is the secondary amount.

In your instance, it looks like you got the first 16 extents on the first 
volume, and, 
the remainder of extents were allocated in 100 cylinder extent increments.   

Ken Kripke 
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re SMF Subtype 132 record

2008-08-15 Thread Kenneth J. Kripke
Recap: 
We are trying to research what software is producing SMF subtype of 132?
We see these records being created every 1-2 minutes when a TSO user is log
on the system.
Any ideas?

Response: 
SMF record # 132? 
If true, this is coming from some other product.  
Dumping the record(s) is a possibility.  
The other is to determine which module the MACRO SMFWTM calls to write the 
records, 
set an Instruction Fetch slip upon entry into the code and generate a dump with 
MATCHLIM=1. 
I do not have access to a system to assemble an SMFWTM macro, let alone look at 
it, so, if you chose to pursue this method, 
you will have to do the research.   
when the Record type is of type X'84'.  You could also IF slip in IEFU83 which 
gets control 
when writing smf records also.  

I don't know which record type MULC used, or what name that product offering 
goes by now from IBM, but, I think it used a record type 
somewhere in the x'80' bracket.  

Reference material:  smf manual.   

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Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

2008-08-15 Thread Bri P
Connect:Direct writes type 132 by default if you turn the feature on (using the 
statistics exit - STATISTICS.EXIT=x (DMGSMF by default) in the startup 
parms).   

If you have C:D then it could be that your TSO user is doing something with it 
that's causing it to generate and log statistics.

Bri

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We are trying to research what software is producing SMF subtype of 132?
We see these records being created every 1-2 minutes when a TSO user is log 
on the system.
Any ideas? 


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Re: SYSLIB statement in PROGxx?

2008-08-15 Thread Peter Relson
SYSLIB statements must always appear before any LNKLST statements in
PROGxx.

So, must any SYSLIB statement(s) appear before the first LNKLST DEFINE
statement, or before the first LNKLST ADD...


To be blunt, what part of any is not clear? Any means any. A LNKLST
statement in PROGxx is a statement with LNKLST beginning it.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design

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Re: SYSLIB statement in PROGxx?

2008-08-15 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Peter Relson
 
 SYSLIB statements must always appear before any LNKLST 
 statements in PROGxx.
 
 So, must any SYSLIB statement(s) appear before the first 
 LNKLST DEFINE statement, or before the first LNKLST ADD...
 
 
 To be blunt, what part of any is not clear? 

This part, which got snipped from my original query:

  For example, if you specify PROG=(01,02) during IPL, consider the
following: 

If PROG01 has a LNKLST statement, ensure that no SYSLIB statement
appears after the LINKLIB statement, or in PROG02.

Note the spelling is _LINKLIB_, not LNKLST.
 
 Any means any. 
 A LNKLST statement in PROGxx is a statement with LNKLST beginning it.

Looks like an RCF is in order.  Will you do it?  If you'd rather I do
it, may I quote you from this post?

 Peter Relson
 z/OS Core Technology Design

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Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

2008-08-15 Thread Laine, Rogers
Kevin,

You are correct, I mean type 132.

Rogers 

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Subject: Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

Rogers,

you said subtype 132, do you mean type? if so, I see references to
NETSPY. If you really do mean subtype I saw references to type 102 (DB2)
with a suptype of 132. 

Thanks,
 
Fletch 

snip


We are trying to research what software is producing SMF subtype of 132?
We see these records being created every 1-2 minutes when a TSO user is
log on the system.
Any ideas? 

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Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

2008-08-15 Thread Laine, Rogers
Scott,

This is what I see when dumping this SMF record.
I see nothing that jumps out at me that would indicate who this belongs to.

  d  k¬   SYSBOPER004   \  
 d  k¬   SYSBOPER007   A|  
 d   SYSBOPER007   A|  
 d   SYSBOPER004   \  
 d   SYSBOPER004   \  
 d   SYSBOPER007   A|  

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Subject: Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:52:01 -0500, Rogers Laine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We are trying to research what software is producing SMF subtype of 132?
We see these records being created every 1-2 minutes when a TSO user is 
log on the system.
Any ideas?



Dump a few of these records and look for an eye-catcher in the header, 
presuming you are looking for SMF type 132.  You can use some DFSORT / COPY 
and IDCAMS PRINT utility commands - example JCL below:


//S1 EXEC PGM=SORT,PARM=ABEND  
//SYSOUT DD   SYSOUT=*  
//SORTIN   DD   DISP=SHR,DSN=_your_smf_input_file_
//SORTOUT  DD  DSN=amp;SORTTEMP,
//  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(10,10)),
//  DISP=(NEW,PASS)
//SYSINDD   * 
 OPTION STOPAFT=5
 SORT FIELDS=COPY
 INCLUDE COND=(6,1,BI,EQ,132)
/*
//DUMP   EXEC PGM=IDCAMS 
//IN1  DD   DISP=(OLD,DELETE),DSN=amp;SORTTEMP
//SYSPRINT DD   SYSOUT=*  
//SYSINDD   *   
 PRINT INFILE(IN1) DUMP
/*


Scott Barry
SBBWorks, Inc.

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Re: DASD Space Allocation

2008-08-15 Thread William F Besnier
I'm not explaining my concerns correctly. My concern is not the number of
extents used; it is the space allocated, the JCL space parameter is asking
for 2500,100 cylinders of space for a total 4000 cylinders. What seems to
have happened is the first volume was allocated the primary + 3 extents for
2800 cylinders; the second volume was allocated 16 extents of 100 cylinders
for 1600 cylinders - rlse, the total being 4331 cylinders being allocated
when only 4000 was requested. The file/volume are non-SMS and my question is
WHY ISN'T THE JCL REQUEST BEING HONOURED?

bILL

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William,

Assuming you do not have any software with Primary or Secondary extent
reduction, or secondary extent increase rules. I'm talking pure dataset
allocation without any allocation recovery.

So, if the Primary was allocated in four extents, that means you can have an
additional 12 extents on the 1st volume. That's 2500 CYLs + 1200 CYLs for a
total 3700 CYLs. That means the second volume would have 7 secondary
extents. That is 6 of 100 CYLS and one of 31 CYLS (which is what happens
with RLSE in the JCL or MGMTCLAS).

That's one extreme. You could have 3 secondary extents on the 1st volume
(2800 CYLS) and 16 secondary extents on the 2nd volume (1531 CYLS), or some
combination in between.

I guess I'm not following what the problem is.

Ron


 
 The initial allocation was in 4 extents. I thought for a PS file, the
 F1
 DSCB gave 3 extent descriptors and the F3 DSCB gave another 13 extent
 descriptor for a total of 16 extents per volume. Please explain how
 1831
 cylinders requires 19 extents and that is consistent.
 

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Re: DASD Space Allocation

2008-08-15 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of William F Besnier
 
 I'm not explaining my concerns correctly. My concern is not 
 the number of extents used; it is the space allocated, the 
 JCL space parameter is asking for 2500,100 cylinders of space 
 for a total 4000 cylinders. What seems to have happened is 
 the first volume was allocated the primary + 3 extents for 
 2800 cylinders; the second volume was allocated 16 extents of 
 100 cylinders for 1600 cylinders - rlse, the total being 4331 
 cylinders being allocated when only 4000 was requested. The 
 file/volume are non-SMS and my question is WHY ISN'T THE JCL 
 REQUEST BEING HONOURED?

It is.  Your JCL (apparently) specified to use (at least one) additional
volume(s), so when space was no longer available on the first volume for
a secondary extent, you then got allowed to allocate another 16
extents of 100 cyls each on the second volume, for a total of 1600 cyls
ON THAT VOLUME.  Thus, given your observation that you got one primary
and three secondary extents on the first volume, for a total of 2800
cyls, and the dataset then extended to a second volume, you got
entitled to an additional 1600 cyls on the second volume.  Had you
specified the maximum of 59 volumes, you would have been entitled to
allocate a maximum of 1600*58 + whatever space you got on the first
volume (2800, based on your posted observation)

If you wanted to limit the available space to exactly 4000 cyls, you
should have specified a primary of 4000 cyls with no secondary, on a
volume that had 4000 cyls available.

-jc-

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Re: DASD Space Allocation

2008-08-15 Thread Walt Farrell
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:07:52 -0400, William F Besnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

I'm not explaining my concerns correctly. My concern is not the number of
extents used; it is the space allocated, the JCL space parameter is asking
for 2500,100 cylinders of space for a total 4000 cylinders. What seems to
have happened is the first volume was allocated the primary + 3 extents for
2800 cylinders; the second volume was allocated 16 extents of 100 cylinders
for 1600 cylinders - rlse, the total being 4331 cylinders being allocated
when only 4000 was requested. The file/volume are non-SMS and my question is
WHY ISN'T THE JCL REQUEST BEING HONOURED?

Perhaps I don't understand something here, but you seem to be making an
erroneous assumption that SPACE= (CYL,(2500,100)) requests a  total of 4000
cylinders.

It requests a primary space allocation of 2500 cylinders, and secondary
allocations of 100 cylinders.  True, if you consider only a single volume,
and only 16 extents, that gives you a max of 4000 cylinders.   

But you don't have a single-volume case, if I've read this thread correctly.
 You have a multi-volume case, and there each volume can have up to 16
extents, where each volume after the first uses an allocation unit of 100
cylinders per extent.  So, in theory, you could have 4000 cylinders on the
first volume, 1600 cylinders on a second volume, 1600 cylinders on a third
volume, etc. for as many volumes as you've allowed the data set to expand onto.

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Re: DASD Space Allocation

2008-08-15 Thread David Logan
I'm sorry. I probably missed something at the beginning of this thread, but
how do you know only 4000 was requested?



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Subject: Re: DASD Space Allocation

I'm not explaining my concerns correctly. My concern is not the number of
extents used; it is the space allocated, the JCL space parameter is asking
for 2500,100 cylinders of space for a total 4000 cylinders. What seems to
have happened is the first volume was allocated the primary + 3 extents for
2800 cylinders; the second volume was allocated 16 extents of 100 cylinders
for 1600 cylinders - rlse, the total being 4331 cylinders being allocated
when only 4000 was requested. The file/volume are non-SMS and my question is
WHY ISN'T THE JCL REQUEST BEING HONOURED?

bILL

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Subject: Re: DASD Space Allocation

William,

Assuming you do not have any software with Primary or Secondary extent
reduction, or secondary extent increase rules. I'm talking pure dataset
allocation without any allocation recovery.

So, if the Primary was allocated in four extents, that means you can have an
additional 12 extents on the 1st volume. That's 2500 CYLs + 1200 CYLs for a
total 3700 CYLs. That means the second volume would have 7 secondary
extents. That is 6 of 100 CYLS and one of 31 CYLS (which is what happens
with RLSE in the JCL or MGMTCLAS).

That's one extreme. You could have 3 secondary extents on the 1st volume
(2800 CYLS) and 16 secondary extents on the 2nd volume (1531 CYLS), or some
combination in between.

I guess I'm not following what the problem is.

Ron


 
 The initial allocation was in 4 extents. I thought for a PS file, the
 F1
 DSCB gave 3 extent descriptors and the F3 DSCB gave another 13 extent
 descriptor for a total of 16 extents per volume. Please explain how
 1831
 cylinders requires 19 extents and that is consistent.
 

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Re: DASD Space Allocation

2008-08-15 Thread Neal Scheffler

Bill,

That would be a max of 4000 cyls on the primary volume and a max of 1600 
cyls on the secondary volumes.


Neal

William F Besnier wrote:

I'm not explaining my concerns correctly. My concern is not the number of
extents used; it is the space allocated, the JCL space parameter is asking
for 2500,100 cylinders of space for a total 4000 cylinders. What seems to
have happened is the first volume was allocated the primary + 3 extents for
2800 cylinders; the second volume was allocated 16 extents of 100 cylinders
for 1600 cylinders - rlse, the total being 4331 cylinders being allocated
when only 4000 was requested. The file/volume are non-SMS and my question is
WHY ISN'T THE JCL REQUEST BEING HONOURED?

bILL

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Subject: Re: DASD Space Allocation

William,

Assuming you do not have any software with Primary or Secondary extent
reduction, or secondary extent increase rules. I'm talking pure dataset
allocation without any allocation recovery.

So, if the Primary was allocated in four extents, that means you can have an
additional 12 extents on the 1st volume. That's 2500 CYLs + 1200 CYLs for a
total 3700 CYLs. That means the second volume would have 7 secondary
extents. That is 6 of 100 CYLS and one of 31 CYLS (which is what happens
with RLSE in the JCL or MGMTCLAS).

That's one extreme. You could have 3 secondary extents on the 1st volume
(2800 CYLS) and 16 secondary extents on the 2nd volume (1531 CYLS), or some
combination in between.

I guess I'm not following what the problem is.

Ron



The initial allocation was in 4 extents. I thought for a PS file, the
F1
DSCB gave 3 extent descriptors and the F3 DSCB gave another 13 extent
descriptor for a total of 16 extents per volume. Please explain how
1831
cylinders requires 19 extents and that is consistent.



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Re: DASD Space Allocation

2008-08-15 Thread William F Besnier
To all that responded to this thread, thank you.

One of the good thinks about this field is you learn every day and when you
stop learning, it's time to get out.

Again thanks,

Bill

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 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of William F Besnier
 
 I'm not explaining my concerns correctly. My concern is not 
 the number of extents used; it is the space allocated, the 
 JCL space parameter is asking for 2500,100 cylinders of space 
 for a total 4000 cylinders. What seems to have happened is 
 the first volume was allocated the primary + 3 extents for 
 2800 cylinders; the second volume was allocated 16 extents of 
 100 cylinders for 1600 cylinders - rlse, the total being 4331 
 cylinders being allocated when only 4000 was requested. The 
 file/volume are non-SMS and my question is WHY ISN'T THE JCL 
 REQUEST BEING HONOURED?

It is.  Your JCL (apparently) specified to use (at least one) additional
volume(s), so when space was no longer available on the first volume for
a secondary extent, you then got allowed to allocate another 16
extents of 100 cyls each on the second volume, for a total of 1600 cyls
ON THAT VOLUME.  Thus, given your observation that you got one primary
and three secondary extents on the first volume, for a total of 2800
cyls, and the dataset then extended to a second volume, you got
entitled to an additional 1600 cyls on the second volume.  Had you
specified the maximum of 59 volumes, you would have been entitled to
allocate a maximum of 1600*58 + whatever space you got on the first
volume (2800, based on your posted observation)

If you wanted to limit the available space to exactly 4000 cyls, you
should have specified a primary of 4000 cyls with no secondary, on a
volume that had 4000 cyls available.

-jc-

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Re: MIPS /day

2008-08-15 Thread Kelman, Tom
Ted, 

Wow, that is old.  The IBM 3090 is from back in the 80s.  That's a life
time in the computer world.  Actually, I don't think IBM officially
publishes MIPS figures for its new machine.  They use either the LSPR
values based on workload type or MSUs for software pricing.  Other
entities (Isham Research, Cheryl Watson) do publish MIPS values.

Tom Kelman
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Commerce Bank of Kansas City
(816) 760-7632

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 IBM doesn't use MIPS
 
 Actually, they do.
 I have an old slide chart from IBM Canada, where a 3090-200E is 31.5
 'processing units'.
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Re: DASD Space Allocation

2008-08-15 Thread David Logan
I think his question is why MVS is allocating 16 extents instead of 12
extents, giving him 4400 cylinders instead of 4000 cylinders.

I'm reading this as:
Expected:
  2500 primary+3(x100) secondary=2800, then 12(x100) secondary=4000
Actual:
  2500 primary+3(x100) secondary=2800, then 16(x100) secondary=4400

At least that's the way I read it (so far.) That's why I'm wondering why the
OP seems to think that it was supposed to stop at 4000.

Am I misunderstanding the question perhaps?

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Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 07:32
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Subject: Re: DASD Space Allocation

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:07:52 -0400, William F Besnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

I'm not explaining my concerns correctly. My concern is not the number of
extents used; it is the space allocated, the JCL space parameter is asking
for 2500,100 cylinders of space for a total 4000 cylinders. What seems to
have happened is the first volume was allocated the primary + 3 extents for
2800 cylinders; the second volume was allocated 16 extents of 100 cylinders
for 1600 cylinders - rlse, the total being 4331 cylinders being allocated
when only 4000 was requested. The file/volume are non-SMS and my question
is
WHY ISN'T THE JCL REQUEST BEING HONOURED?

Perhaps I don't understand something here, but you seem to be making an
erroneous assumption that SPACE= (CYL,(2500,100)) requests a  total of 4000
cylinders.

It requests a primary space allocation of 2500 cylinders, and secondary
allocations of 100 cylinders.  True, if you consider only a single volume,
and only 16 extents, that gives you a max of 4000 cylinders.   

But you don't have a single-volume case, if I've read this thread correctly.
 You have a multi-volume case, and there each volume can have up to 16
extents, where each volume after the first uses an allocation unit of 100
cylinders per extent.  So, in theory, you could have 4000 cylinders on the
first volume, 1600 cylinders on a second volume, 1600 cylinders on a third
volume, etc. for as many volumes as you've allowed the data set to expand
onto.

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Re: MIPS /day

2008-08-15 Thread Kelman, Tom
 Posted By: John Kim
 Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:54 AM
 
 I also had a same issue when my client wanted to know, how much
horse
 power was being used by his  application, and no such standard tool I
 could
 find out there.
 Instead I  used the following formula;
 CPUTIME / (ACTUAL INTERVAL DURATION * NUMBER OF CPS) * TOTAL  MIPS

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 And this computation results in some number of foot-pounds per
second?
 lol
 
 
Yes, but as someone else previously implied in their post, you have to
make management happy and talk management speak.  I actually have
charts where the x-axis is time of day, the left hand y-axis is in %CPU
utilization, and the right hand y-axis is in MIPS. I use the exact same
formula that John does. Hey, it might not be technically correct to use
MIPS, but it's something management understands (or thinks they do),
makes them happy, and preserves my job. :-)

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Re: MIPS /day

2008-08-15 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 8/15/2008 8:45:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Actually, I don't think IBM officially
publishes MIPS figures for  its new machine.  They use either the LSPR
values based on workload  type or MSUs for software pricing.  Other
entities (Isham Research,  Cheryl Watson) do publish MIPS values.



Yazbut in their SEC filings they publish MIPS  for expansion and contraction 
by machine type with no regard for CISC vs RISC  anywhere. 


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Re: DASD Space Allocation

2008-08-15 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I'm not explaining my concerns correctly. My concern is not the number of 
extents used; it is the space allocated, the JCL space parameter is asking
for 2500,100 cylinders of space for a total 4000 cylinders.
What seems to have happened is the first volume was allocated the primary + 3 
extents for
2800 cylinders; the second volume was allocated 16 extents of 100 cylinders for 
1600 cylinders - rlse, the total being 4331 cylinders being allocated
when only 4000 was requested.
The file/volume are non-SMS and my question is 
WHY ISN'T THE JCL REQUEST BEING HONOURED?

Once you've asked for more than one volume, all bets are off.
Since it couldn't find the 4000 on volume1, it went looking elsewhere using the 
secondary allocation.

What would you have preferred?
The job abend at 4000 cyls?
You can only get that if you specify a primary with a single volume, that has 
4000 cyls available.

Me, I'd rather the job complete successfully.
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Re: MIPS /day

2008-08-15 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Ted, 

Wow, that is old.  The IBM 3090 is from back in the 80s.  That's a life time 
in the computer world.  Actually, I don't think IBM officially publishes 
MIPS figures for its new machine.
They use either the LSPR values based on workload type or MSUs for software 
pricing.

I realise it's old, but I've had salesmen talk in MIPS even after that.

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Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

2008-08-15 Thread Scott Barry
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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:25 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:52:01 -0500, Rogers Laine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

We are trying to research what software is producing SMF subtype of 132?
We see these records being created every 1-2 minutes when a TSO user is
log on the system.
Any ideas?



Dump a few of these records and look for an eye-catcher in the header,
presuming you are looking for SMF type 132.  You can use some DFSORT /
COPY and IDCAMS PRINT utility commands - example JCL below:


//S1 EXEC PGM=SORT,PARM=ABEND
//SYSOUT DD   SYSOUT=*
//SORTIN   DD   DISP=SHR,DSN=_your_smf_input_file_
//SORTOUT  DD  DSN=amp;amp;SORTTEMP,
//  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(10,10)),
//  DISP=(NEW,PASS)
//SYSINDD   *
 OPTION STOPAFT=5
 SORT FIELDS=COPY
 INCLUDE COND=(6,1,BI,EQ,132)
/*
//DUMP   EXEC PGM=IDCAMS
//IN1  DD   DISP=(OLD,DELETE),DSN=amp;amp;SORTTEMP
//SYSPRINT DD   SYSOUT=*
//SYSINDD   *
 PRINT INFILE(IN1) DUMP
/*


Scott Barry
SBBWorks, Inc.

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:40:49 -0500, Laine, Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Scott,

This is what I see when dumping this SMF record.
I see nothing that jumps out at me that would indicate who this belongs to.

  d  k¬   SYSBOPER004   \
 d  k¬   SYSBOPER007   A|
 d   SYSBOPER007   A|
 d   SYSBOPER004   \
 d   SYSBOPER004   \
 d   SYSBOPER007   A|


How unfortunate.  Some, hopefully most, ISVs mark their record with some
small eye-catcher string, just in case two products are writing to the same
record type.  Then any SMF data post-processing utility/code can validate
that the record is really their own.

So, it's time to back-track to your PARMLIB(SMFPRMxx) member and/or your
intra-day DUMPXY/SMFDUMP job or your nightly SMF collection processing. 
Sure hope you might have some DOC reference indicating who's writing that
record type.  Any authorized software product or application program could
be writing this record type to your MAN dataset.

Another option is to disable the record type in SMFPRMxx and see what
program gripes about it when the SMFWTM invocation gets a non-zero RC.  Then
your prairie dog will pop out of its den!

Scott Barry
SBBWorks, Inc.

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Re: MIPS /day

2008-08-15 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:44:59 -0500, Kelman, Tom wrote:

... Actually, I don't think IBM officially
publishes MIPS figures for its new machine.

Maybe not, but...

http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=tss1td103411

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Re: MIPS /day

2008-08-15 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In a message dated 8/15/2008 9:26:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I realise it's old, but I've had salesmen talk in MIPS even after  that.
 
And I have heard technical people who know better continue to use the term  
channel-unit address, CUU, or device address when they really should  be 
saying device number.  They still build new software that displays  this 
obsolete term externally to users.  The operating system thing called  CUU was 
changed to device number with the advent of S/370/XA around 1983.   Unit 
address is a meaningful term used correctly within a control unit, but  not 
from 
the point of view of the operating system.
 
Once a term becomes engrained, it is hard to replace.  That's why I  still 
sometimes think of, but don't let myself speak, the phrase low  core.
 
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Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

2008-08-15 Thread Ralph Kaden
Try this:

To determine who's writing an SMF rectype: 
 SL SET,IF,A=SYNCSVCD,L=(IGC0008C,64),DATA=(1R?+5,EQ,xx), 
SD=(ALLNUC,ALLPSA,CSA,GRSQ,LPA,RGN,SQA,SUM,TRT),END
where xx = the SMF record type in hex 

You should then be able to check SYSTRACE to see who issued the SVC 83 
(x'svc53').  In the case in which it's a branch entry, you should be able 
to follow the registers back to see who made the call.


Regards,
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Scott,

This is what I see when dumping this SMF record.
I see nothing that jumps out at me that would indicate who this belongs 
to.

  d  k¬   SYSBOPER004   \ 
 d  k¬   SYSBOPER007   A| 
 d   SYSBOPER007   A| 
 d   SYSBOPER004   \ 
 d   SYSBOPER004   \ 
 d   SYSBOPER007   A| 

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:25 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:52:01 -0500, Rogers Laine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

We are trying to research what software is producing SMF subtype of 132?
We see these records being created every 1-2 minutes when a TSO user is 
log on the system.
Any ideas?



Dump a few of these records and look for an eye-catcher in the header, 
presuming you are looking for SMF type 132.  You can use some DFSORT / 
COPY and IDCAMS PRINT utility commands - example JCL below:


//S1 EXEC PGM=SORT,PARM=ABEND 
//SYSOUT DD   SYSOUT=* 
//SORTIN   DD   DISP=SHR,DSN=_your_smf_input_file_
//SORTOUT  DD  DSN=amp;SORTTEMP,
//  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(10,10)),
//  DISP=(NEW,PASS)
//SYSINDD   * 
 OPTION STOPAFT=5
 SORT FIELDS=COPY
 INCLUDE COND=(6,1,BI,EQ,132)
/*
//DUMP   EXEC PGM=IDCAMS 
//IN1  DD   DISP=(OLD,DELETE),DSN=amp;SORTTEMP
//SYSPRINT DD   SYSOUT=* 
//SYSINDD   * 
 PRINT INFILE(IN1) DUMP
/*


Scott Barry
SBBWorks, Inc.

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Port assignment for 992 ssl

2008-08-15 Thread Melissa Perry
Setting up (or attempting to set up) ssl for TN3270 using port 992.  What 
should the 'job' name assigned to the port be?  i.e., port 23 says 23 TCP 
INTCLIEN...

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Re: Checking Volume Capacity

2008-08-15 Thread Lizette Koehler
You can try ISMF under ISPF 

Or if you have QuickRef you can use the SPACE command to see volumes or
storage groups

Lizette

 
 I used to be able to check the capacity of a volume somehow using ISPF
 option #6...I could be wrong.  I can't seem to do this anymore.
 
 I'm I wrong, or how can I do this now.
 
 Any help will be appreciated.
 

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Re: z/OS FTP - handling a ..

2008-08-15 Thread Paul Peplinski
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:36:15 -0500, Patrick O'Keefe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

A little more info would be helpful.
Are these 2 periods actually as such in the data?  (I suspect not.)
Are they perhaps unprintable data represented as periods in
whatever you are using to display the data?  If so they are not
going to make it to the remote end unless you send it BIN or unless
you specify your own translate table that makes them something
meaningful to the remote end (in whatever code page it is using).


ascii option did the trick and the data in question was periods, not
non-displayable data, as in the following. Hard to see with this formatting
but the periods right before REILY are stripped out and REILLY goes to the
beginning of a new line.  

Source data (on mainframe)

0 ! Then this morning, Coop
said, 'BOB's not from around here.'..REILY: That's fun


Target data (after FTP to server)

0 ! Then this morning, Coop
said, 'BOB's not from around here.'
REILY: That's fun

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Re: Datasets with KEYs

2008-08-15 Thread Rick Arellanes
Perhaps you can do this with Enterprise PL/I REGIONAL(1) data sets. They are 
non-VSAM data sets with keys.

http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/ibm3pg60/2.4?
DT=20071108121521

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Re: Checking Volume Capacity

2008-08-15 Thread Bates, Bill (RMV)
Select 3.4 put a V on the option line and put the Volume serial number.


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I used to be able to check the capacity of a volume somehow using ISPF
option #6...I could be wrong.  I can't seem to do this anymore.

I'm I wrong, or how can I do this now.

Any help will be appreciated.  

Thanks


  

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Re: Checking Volume Capacity

2008-08-15 Thread Bob Shannon
I used to be able to check the capacity of a volume somehow using ISPF option 
#6...I could be wrong.  I can't seem to do this anymore.

3.4

Bob Shannon
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Re: Port assignment for 992 ssl

2008-08-15 Thread Mansell, George R.
1.9 default telnet daemon stc name tn3270D (no ssl here).


BROWSETECGRM.NETSTAT.CONNLine 0001 Col 0
 Command ===  Scroll
===
MVS TCP/IP NETSTAT CS V1R9   TCPIP Name: TCPIP   01:53:12

User Id  Conn Local Socket   Foreign Socket State

---      -- -

BPXOINIT 000C 0.0.0.0..10007 0.0.0.0..0 Listen

FTPD10012 0.0.0.0..210.0.0.0..0 Listen

OSNMPD   0014 0.0.0.0..1025  0.0.0.0..0 Listen

SNMPQE   0010 0.0.0.0..1024  0.0.0.0..0 Listen

TN3270D  001B 0.0.0.0..230.0.0.0..0 Listen




Setting up (or attempting to set up) ssl for TN3270 using port 992.
What 
should the 'job' name assigned to the port be?  i.e., port 23 says 23
TCP 
INTCLIEN...

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Checking Volume Capacity

2008-08-15 Thread Howard Rifkind
I used to be able to check the capacity of a volume somehow using ISPF option 
#6...I could be wrong.  I can't seem to do this anymore.

I'm I wrong, or how can I do this now.

Any help will be appreciated.  

Thanks


  

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Re: Checking Volume Capacity

2008-08-15 Thread Scott Barry
If you are licensed, QuickRef reports this type of VOLUME-level information
with the QS S= (DASD space info) command; scroll to the right for
Cylinders_On_Volume.

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Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

2008-08-15 Thread Rick Fochtman

-snip--
This is information in the SMFPRMxx member.
SYS(TYPE(0:255),EXITS(IEFU83,IEFU84,IEFACTRT,IEFUTL,
  IEFUSI,IEFUJI),NOINTERVAL,NODETAIL)

We are allowing all type records to be written. (management request).

We do not have any DOC to tell us what product 132 belongs, thus my problem.

Do you think one of these exits could be producing this type record. I'm 
not sure what these exits do.

-unsnip
To the best of my knowledge, these exits can examine and modify a 
record, but not create one.


Unless you've installed one or more of these exits, they're all dummys 
that are basically a IEFBR14.


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Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

2008-08-15 Thread Laine, Rogers
Scott,

This is information in the SMFPRMxx member. 
 
SYS(TYPE(0:255),EXITS(IEFU83,IEFU84,IEFACTRT,IEFUTL,   
  IEFUSI,IEFUJI),NOINTERVAL,NODETAIL)  

We are allowing all type records to be written. (management request).

We do not have any DOC to tell us what product 132 belongs, thus my problem.

Do you think one of these exits could be producing this type record. I'm not 
sure what these exits do.

Thanks,
Rogers


Scott,

This is what I see when dumping this SMF record.
I see nothing that jumps out at me that would indicate who this belongs to.

  d  k¬   SYSBOPER004   \
 d  k¬   SYSBOPER007   A|
 d   SYSBOPER007   A|
 d   SYSBOPER004   \
 d   SYSBOPER004   \
 d   SYSBOPER007   A|


How unfortunate.  Some, hopefully most, ISVs mark their record with some small 
eye-catcher string, just in case two products are writing to the same record 
type.  Then any SMF data post-processing utility/code can validate that the 
record is really their own.

So, it's time to back-track to your PARMLIB(SMFPRMxx) member and/or your 
intra-day DUMPXY/SMFDUMP job or your nightly SMF collection processing. 
Sure hope you might have some DOC reference indicating who's writing that 
record type.  Any authorized software product or application program could be 
writing this record type to your MAN dataset.

Another option is to disable the record type in SMFPRMxx and see what program 
gripes about it when the SMFWTM invocation gets a non-zero RC.  Then your 
prairie dog will pop out of its den!

Scott Barry
SBBWorks, Inc.

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Re: MIPS /day

2008-08-15 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:26:26 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote:

I realise it's old, but I've had salesmen talk in MIPS even after that.

Ha!  That's a reference for technical information?

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Re: MIPS /day

2008-08-15 Thread Martin Kline
Did anyone actually answer the OP? All I saw was sarcasm and topic drift.

First, there are many tools that show CPU consumption. Consumption data is 
stored in SMF interval records, and can be seen live using SDSF, Omegamon, 
Tmon, RMF, and other tools. 

So, look at SDSF and RMF, which you should already have along with the 
operating system. Assuming you record and keep SMF data, and that you 
have SAS available, you might look into Barry Merrill's MXG product. 

As for the term 500MIPS/Day, it's entirely ambiguous. MIPS means Millions of 
Instructions Per Second. So, the term could mean just 500 million instructions 
per day, or it could mean 500 million instructions every second all day long 
every day. (or an average of about that). 500 million instructions per day is a 
nit. It can occur in less than a second. Most likely, the customer meant the 
latter, and that is significant. Depending on the hardware, that may be one or 
two engines. 

You may also want to review historical SMF data for the application. Has the 
application CPU time increased significantly over time? 

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Re: Port assignment for 992 ssl

2008-08-15 Thread Richard Peurifoy

Melissa Perry wrote:
Setting up (or attempting to set up) ssl for TN3270 using port 992.  What 
should the 'job' name assigned to the port be?  i.e., port 23 says 23 TCP 
INTCLIEN...


If you are still using the internal TN3270 server (gone as of 1.9
I think) then you would code:

992 TCP INTCLIEN

otherwise you would code:

992 TCP name   where name is the JOBNAME of STCNAME of your
TN3270 server.

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Re: Port assignment for 992 ssl

2008-08-15 Thread Paul Dineen
Hi Melissa,

Try:  
  23 TCP TN3270  ; Telnet Server   TN3270 

Hope this helps,
Paul   

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:01:23 -0500, Melissa Perry 
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Setting up (or attempting to set up) ssl for TN3270 using port 992.  What
should the 'job' name assigned to the port be?  i.e., port 23 says 23 TCP
INTCLIEN...

Thanks,

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Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

2008-08-15 Thread Scott Barry
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:26:46 -0500, Laine, Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Scott,

This is information in the SMFPRMxx member.

SYS(TYPE(0:255),EXITS(IEFU83,IEFU84,IEFACTRT,IEFUTL,
  IEFUSI,IEFUJI),NOINTERVAL,NODETAIL)

We are allowing all type records to be written. (management request).

We do not have any DOC to tell us what product 132 belongs, thus my problem.

Do you think one of these exits could be producing this type record. I'm
not sure what these exits do.

Thanks,
Rogers


Scott,

This is what I see when dumping this SMF record.
I see nothing that jumps out at me that would indicate who this belongs to.

  d  k¬   SYSBOPER004   \
 d  k¬   SYSBOPER007   A|
 d   SYSBOPER007   A|
 d   SYSBOPER004   \
 d   SYSBOPER004   \
 d   SYSBOPER007   A|


How unfortunate.  Some, hopefully most, ISVs mark their record with some
small eye-catcher string, just in case two products are writing to the same
record type.  Then any SMF data post-processing utility/code can validate
that the record is really their own.

So, it's time to back-track to your PARMLIB(SMFPRMxx) member and/or your
intra-day DUMPXY/SMFDUMP job or your nightly SMF collection processing.
Sure hope you might have some DOC reference indicating who's writing that
record type.  Any authorized software product or application program could
be writing this record type to your MAN dataset.

Another option is to disable the record type in SMFPRMxx and see what
program gripes about it when the SMFWTM invocation gets a non-zero RC.  Then
your prairie dog will pop out of its den!

Scott Barry
SBBWorks, Inc.


An application program is writing the SMF type 132, not one of the listed
exits.  Time to take back your SMF recording...from management, per se.  

Possibly, it's a Bull Moose scenario (flog your mouse-cursor - those from
the Morino Associates days, if you know Bull Mooseor if you are one!). 
Technical individuals who are force-groomed and promoted, sometimes
side-swiped, to a manager position, dragging along their legacy SYSPROG/geek
'ness!

My vote is turn off the record and see who complains first, likely to occur
in your SYSLOG.  Be sure that a manager-type is aware of your action for CYA
protection.


Scott Barry
SBBWorks, Inc.

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When is LDA-LDAVVRG LDA-LDALIMIT?

2008-08-15 Thread Lindy Mayfield
In the LDA:

LDAVVRG  is  16M V=V Region high value
LDAEVVRG is  16M V=V Region high value

And

LDALIMIT is  16M V=V Region limit value
LDAELIM  is  16M V=V Region limit value

I've checked almost every address space on my system and they are always
the same:  LDAVVRG = LDALIMIT and LDAEVVRG = LDAELIM.

Does anyone know what would cause them to be different? Or why are they
the same?

Thanks!
Lindy

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IBM Re-instates requirement for PA product Sub-Capacity licensing

2008-08-15 Thread Peter Gammage
Cross posted to LPAR-Pricing, ISVCosts and IBM-Main Listservers

Folks,

I know these forums don't specifically relate to IBM Passport Advantage 
product licensing - however I thought it important enough to ensure that 
the message below gets out to those who need to know it. Some time back 
IBM introduced sub-capacity licensing for a number of off-mainframe 
products and it mandated the use of a tool to track these licenses. The 
tool had some problems so IBM withdrew the requirement to use the tool to 
track sub-capacity licenses (see 
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/lotus/passportadvantage/tivolilicensemanager.html).
 


As of the 1st of August 2008 the tool is now available and customers have 
90 days to get it in and operational to meet sub-capacity eligibility 
requirements. See  the link below for details 

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/lotus/passportadvantage/ilmt_subcapacity_licensing.html

Peter Gammage 
IT Architect

ISOS Technology, Strategy and Planning
Standard Life Employee Services Limited
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Re: When is LDA-LDAVVRG LDA-LDALIMIT?

2008-08-15 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 08/15/2008 
11:56:04 AM:

 In the LDA:
 
 LDAVVRG  is  16M V=V Region high value
 LDAEVVRG is  16M V=V Region high value
 
 And
 
 LDALIMIT is  16M V=V Region limit value
 LDAELIM  is  16M V=V Region limit value
 
 I've checked almost every address space on my system and they are always
 the same:  LDAVVRG = LDALIMIT and LDAEVVRG = LDAELIM.
 
 Does anyone know what would cause them to be different? Or why are they
 the same?

In   MVS Initialization and Tuning Guide 
see section  1.4.12.3 Limiting User Region Size

Also, if you have an IEFUSI exit, see the documentation for IEFUSI in
MVS Installation Exits.

Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY

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SMPE Receive Out of Space Question

2008-08-15 Thread Howard Rifkind
I did an SMPE receive of CICSTS32 and the features which came on the CBPDO tape 
and ran out of space during the process.

I'm installing into a seperate CSI just for CICS.

What would be the best way to resolve this issue...expand the Global CSI or 
delete the SMP datasets and redefine them.

If extend, how would I go about that.

Thanks


  

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Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

2008-08-15 Thread Laine, Rogers
Ralph,

How would I go about checking SYSTRACE?


Rogers 

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Subject: Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

Try this:

To determine who's writing an SMF rectype: 
 SL SET,IF,A=SYNCSVCD,L=(IGC0008C,64),DATA=(1R?+5,EQ,xx), 
SD=(ALLNUC,ALLPSA,CSA,GRSQ,LPA,RGN,SQA,SUM,TRT),END
where xx = the SMF record type in hex 

You should then be able to check SYSTRACE to see who issued the SVC 83 
(x'svc53').  In the case in which it's a branch entry, you should be able to 
follow the registers back to see who made the call.


Regards,
   Ralph

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Scott,

This is what I see when dumping this SMF record.
I see nothing that jumps out at me that would indicate who this belongs 
to.

  d  k¬   SYSBOPER004   \ 
 d  k¬   SYSBOPER007   A| 
 d   SYSBOPER007   A| 
 d   SYSBOPER004   \ 
 d   SYSBOPER004   \ 
 d   SYSBOPER007   A| 

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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:25 PM
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Subject: Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:52:01 -0500, Rogers Laine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

We are trying to research what software is producing SMF subtype of 132?
We see these records being created every 1-2 minutes when a TSO user is 
log on the system.
Any ideas?



Dump a few of these records and look for an eye-catcher in the header, 
presuming you are looking for SMF type 132.  You can use some DFSORT / 
COPY and IDCAMS PRINT utility commands - example JCL below:


//S1 EXEC PGM=SORT,PARM=ABEND 
//SYSOUT DD   SYSOUT=* 
//SORTIN   DD   DISP=SHR,DSN=_your_smf_input_file_
//SORTOUT  DD  DSN=amp;SORTTEMP,
//  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(10,10)),
//  DISP=(NEW,PASS)
//SYSINDD   * 
 OPTION STOPAFT=5
 SORT FIELDS=COPY
 INCLUDE COND=(6,1,BI,EQ,132)
/*
//DUMP   EXEC PGM=IDCAMS 
//IN1  DD   DISP=(OLD,DELETE),DSN=amp;SORTTEMP
//SYSPRINT DD   SYSOUT=* 
//SYSINDD   * 
 PRINT INFILE(IN1) DUMP
/*


Scott Barry
SBBWorks, Inc.

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Re: SMPE Receive Out of Space Question

2008-08-15 Thread Joe Aulph
Howard,

What data set did you run out of space on?
Can you include the error message from the out of space condition?

Cheers,

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I did an SMPE receive of CICSTS32 and the features which came on the CBPDO
tape and ran out of space during the process.

I'm installing into a seperate CSI just for CICS.

What would be the best way to resolve this issue...expand the Global CSI or
delete the SMP datasets and redefine them.

If extend, how would I go about that.

Thanks




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Re: SMPE Receive Out of Space Question

2008-08-15 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind
 
 I did an SMPE receive of CICSTS32 and the features which came 
 on the CBPDO tape and ran out of space during the process.
 
 I'm installing into a seperate CSI just for CICS.
 
 What would be the best way to resolve this issue...expand the 
 Global CSI or delete the SMP datasets and redefine them.
 
 If extend, how would I go about that.

Depends on what specific dataset(s) ran out of space.

-jc-
 P.s.   Why CBPDO and not ServerPac?

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Re: DASD Space Allocation

2008-08-15 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
No, the initial allocation was not in 4 extents.  It was in one extent
and consumed 2500 cylinders.  The remaining 3 extents on the first
volume are secondary extents and consume 100 cylinders each.

After the initial allocation was used up, the dataset continued to grow,
by a total of 1831 cylinders.  It did not obtain all this space at once.
It grew by one secondary extent at a time, 100 cylinders apiece.  The
first 18 secondary extents provided 1800 cylinders.  The last 31
cylinders were in the 19th extent and the excess space (69 cylinders)
was apparently released. (How many 100 Euro notes does it take to pay
for an airplane ticket costing 1832 Euros?)  One initial extent of 2500
+ 18 secondary extents of 100 + 1 secondary extent of 31 (19 secondary
extents total) yields 4331 cylinders in 20 extents.

-Original Message-
From: William F Besnier [mailto:snip] 
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:17 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: DASD Space Allocation

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Subject: Re: DASD Space Allocation

What is the LRECL, RECFM, and BLKSIZE?  4331 cylinders is 64,965 tracks.
That averages to ~46 records per track.  Is there some reason you think
this is unreasonable? 
Don't think it's unreasonable, don't know what it has to do what is
specified in JCL and what was allocated.

What is the percentage used of the 4,331 cylinders?  What is the device
type the dataset is on?

The dataset was allocated across 2 3390-9 volumes; 4 extents on the
first volume with 100% utilization.

If the initial allocation provided all 2500 cylinders in one extent, the
remaining 1831 cylinders does require 19 extents so it at least that
looks consistent.

The initial allocation was in 4 extents. I thought for a PS file, the F1
DSCB gave 3 extent descriptors and the F3 DSCB gave another 13 extent
descriptor for a total of 16 extents per volume. Please explain how 1831
cylinders requires 19 extents and that is consistent.

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Re: DASD Space Allocation

2008-08-15 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
You specified (SYSDA,10) in your allocation.  This means up to 4000
cylinders on the first volume and up to 1600 cylinders on each of up to
9 additional volumes.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 6:08 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: DASD Space Allocation

I'm not explaining my concerns correctly. My concern is not the number
of extents used; it is the space allocated, the JCL space parameter is
asking for 2500,100 cylinders of space for a total 4000 cylinders. What
seems to have happened is the first volume was allocated the primary + 3
extents for 2800 cylinders; the second volume was allocated 16 extents
of 100 cylinders for 1600 cylinders - rlse, the total being 4331
cylinders being allocated when only 4000 was requested. The file/volume
are non-SMS and my question is WHY ISN'T THE JCL REQUEST BEING HONOURED?

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Re: Checking Volume Capacity

2008-08-15 Thread J R
If you were doing it from ISPF Option 6, you were probably 
using a home-grown, 3rd party or CBT TSO CP or CLIST.  
There were several around. The one that comes to mind is 
LSPACE which simply issued the LSPACE macro/SVC.  It  
returned a formatted line of text containing how much free 
space was on the volume, how many extents, the largest, etc.  
 
Be aware that this reads the F5 dscbs and probably ENQs 
SYSVTOC, so you wouldn't want to do it indiscriminately.  
 
 
 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:20:29 -0700
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Checking Volume Capacity
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 
 I used to be able to check the capacity of a volume somehow using ISPF option 
 #6...I could be wrong. I can't seem to do this anymore.
 
 I'm I wrong, or how can I do this now.
 
 Any help will be appreciated. 
 
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Re: Checking Volume Capacity

2008-08-15 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Be aware that this reads the F5 dscbs and probably ENQs SYSVTOC, so you 
wouldn't want to do it indiscriminately.  

Most of these utilities were changed years ago to not ENQ the VTOC.
A couple out of synch in today's DASD farms don't matter.
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Re: Checking Volume Capacity

2008-08-15 Thread McKown, John
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 Subject: Re: Checking Volume Capacity
 
 If you were doing it from ISPF Option 6, you were probably 
 using a home-grown, 3rd party or CBT TSO CP or CLIST.  
 There were several around. The one that comes to mind is 
 LSPACE which simply issued the LSPACE macro/SVC.  It  
 returned a formatted line of text containing how much free 
 space was on the volume, how many extents, the largest, etc.  
  
 Be aware that this reads the F5 dscbs and probably ENQs 
 SYSVTOC, so you wouldn't want to do it indiscriminately.  
  

Are you sure it reads the F5's? If you have an indexed VTOC (and you
should!), then the free space information is kept in the VTOCIX and,
IIRC, DADSM no longer maintains the F5 DSCBs on that volume.

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Re: Checking Volume Capacity

2008-08-15 Thread J R
Hmm ... Good point!  
 
However, since you raise the issue, I googled for LSPACE 
and came up with 
 http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1II02887 
which, despite being 20 years old, still seems to apply and 
was updated as recently as April.  It says:  
 
LSPACE then causes an ENQ to be issued against each device.  
 
So, whether it reads F5 DSCBs or not, there does appear 
to be an ENQ against the device.  What actual resource 
name is used it doesn't say.  
 
 
 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:23:04 -0500
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Checking Volume Capacity
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 
  -Original Message-
  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J R
  Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:02 PM
  To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
  Subject: Re: Checking Volume Capacity
  
  If you were doing it from ISPF Option 6, you were probably 
  using a home-grown, 3rd party or CBT TSO CP or CLIST. 
  There were several around. The one that comes to mind is 
  LSPACE which simply issued the LSPACE macro/SVC. It 
  returned a formatted line of text containing how much free 
  space was on the volume, how many extents, the largest, etc. 
  
  Be aware that this reads the F5 dscbs and probably ENQs 
  SYSVTOC, so you wouldn't want to do it indiscriminately. 
  
 
 Are you sure it reads the F5's? If you have an indexed VTOC (and you
 should!), then the free space information is kept in the VTOCIX and,
 IIRC, DADSM no longer maintains the F5 DSCBs on that volume.
 
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SMP/E 3.5 and FIXCAT and Septemeber 2008

2008-08-15 Thread Lizette Koehler
I think I have this information correct.  My notes are in my suite case
waiting to board a plane.


At the Share presentation yesterday on the new features in SMP/E 3.5 it was
stated that we need to install a toleration PTF in order to continue
receiving maintenance once the FIXCAT function is implemented in SEPTEMBER
2008.

Without the PTF on our SMP/E 3.4 or 3.3 systems, our Receives will fail due
to the new keywords

From the Share session 2841   SMP/E Simplifying PSP Buckets and Other
goodies

   FIXCAT type ++HOLDs will be included with ERROR ++HOLDs:
- Delivered with all existing IBM product and service offerings

. Included in the same file (SMPHOLD)  
  FIXCAT HOLDDATA is incompatible with prior releases of SMP/E

- Prior SMP/E releases (V3.3 and V3.4) will ignore FIXCAT HOLDs when
discovered in SMPHOLD data sets.

Coexistence APAR IO07480 (PTF UO00702 for V3.4) is required to silently
ignore the FIXCAT HOLDs

Coexistence APAR IO07480 (PTF UO00700 for V3.3) is required

Coexistence service is highlighted in WSC Flash 10639

- FIXCAT HOLDDATA is RECEIVEd only if the UPGRADE command for SMP/E V3.5 has
been run.

. Failure to run the UPGRADE command will generate a single message

- GIM58903W SMP/E COULD NOT PROCESS A ++HOLD FIXCAT MCS BECAUSE IT WOULD
HAVE
MADE A CHANGE TO THE GLOBAL ZONE THAT CANNOT BE PROCESSED COMPLETELY BY
PRIOR LEVELS OF SMP/E. USE THE UPGRADE COMMAND TO ALLOW SMP/E TO MAKE SUCH
CHANGES.



It was mentioned that these changes to the ++HOLD statements will take place
at the end of September and the maintenance is needed so the older versions
of SMP/E will ignore the new ++HOLD parameters.


Lizette

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Re: z/OS FTP - handling a ..

2008-08-15 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:24:14 -0500, Paul Peplinski 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...
ascii option did the trick and the data in question was periods, not
non-displayable data, as in the following. Hard to see with this 
formatting
but the periods right before REILY are stripped out and REILLY goes 
to the
beginning of a new line.

Source data (on mainframe)

0 ! Then this morning, Coop
said, 'BOB's not from around here.'..REILY: That's fun


Target data (after FTP to server)

0 ! Then this morning, Coop
said, 'BOB's not from around here.'
REILY: That's fun
...

Boy, that's really strange!  I'm glad you got it working so this is 
now just idle curiosity on my part, but I'd really like to understand
this better.

This was data in an MVS dataset being FTPed to a remote non-MVS
server?  And the original dataset was all printable data?(That is
sort of a meaningless question if I don't also ask what code page,  
but I'm going to pretend I don't need to.)   This was a single-
byte character stream transfer, wasn't it?

If you bring up the local FTP client and issue a status command
you will get many lines of config information (at least from the MVS
client).  One of the lines mentions Mode, Structure, type
and byte-size.   What do you have for type?  If it says ASCII
then your specifying it again should not have had any effect.
(ASCII means it is going to assume a character transmission, 
and is going to translate from EBCDIC into ASCII.  It doesn't 
mean the data is in ASCII on MVS.

Pat O'Keefe

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Re: DASD Space Allocation

2008-08-15 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:47:38 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

You specified (SYSDA,10) in your allocation.  This means up to 4000
cylinders on the first volume and up to 1600 cylinders on each of up to
9 additional volumes.
...

Well, William shouldn't feel alone in this.  I've been mucking 
around with MVS since about 1980 (where mucking around
means doing various systems programming work) and never 
knew that the 16 extent limit was per volume.  Admittedly, I've
never had to specify a multi-volume allocation for a dataset 
(although SMS has probably done it for me); system programming
(especially communication software related system programming )
doesn't usually require massively large datasets.

Maybe everybody is supposed to know how DASD allocation works,
but some of us don't.

Pat O'Keefe 

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Re: SMP/E 3.5 and FIXCAT and September 2008

2008-08-15 Thread Emily A. Rambo
Lizette, on behalf of those of us who don't get to go to SHARE, thanks for
sharing!

Thanks,
Emily Rambo
Convergys Data Center Services

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Re: APF authorization question

2008-08-15 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
08/13/2008
   at 02:32 PM, Fletcher, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Does a JOBLIB invalidate APF authorization of a module pulled from the
link list (remember no STEPLIB) when first tried?

JOBLIB and STEPLIB are just alternate ways to ask the Initiator to specify
a TASKLIB; what applies to one applies to both. In either case an
unauthorized library will cause you problems if the authorized program
tries to load anything from it.
 

In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
08/13/2008
   at 10:38 PM, Fletcher, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Thanks for you input, but I must have been vague about my orginal post.

No; you didn't understand Walt's response.

but failed with an apf authorization failure.

What authorization failure? That would have been ABEND S047. Your failure
was a key mismatch.

As for the PPT entry, I used the entry supplied with DB2 by IBM

A correct PPT entry does no good if you have an unauthorized TASKLIB.

 KEY(7)/* STORAGE PROTECT KEY*/ 

You got key 8, which is why it failed.
 
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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-15 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/11/2008
   at 07:49 AM, Howard Brazee [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

At one time the words widdershins and soleil were used - BC (before
clocks).

What happened to deasil?
 
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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-15 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 08/11/2008
   at 08:00 AM, Schwartz, Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

My favorite scene was when the mathematician was asked how much is 9x7.
With pencil to paper he answered 16.  The generals used their
calculators and came up with the same answer

That would be more impressive if the answer were correct.
 
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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-15 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 08/11/2008
   at 08:39 AM, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Must be more of the new math.  I guess I missed the lecture wherein it
was taught that x as an operator means arithmetic add (but I remember
that + was used to signify logical AND,

No, + is used to signify logical or, except when it is used to signify
exclusive or. It's * that is used to signify logical and when ^
isn't available for the purpose.
 
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Re: APF authorization question

2008-08-15 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 08/13/2008
   at 02:29 PM, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Check for message IEF188I PROBLEM PROGRAM ATTRIBUTES ASSIGNED

That's not related to APF for the J/S task, which is the issue in the
subject. It is, however, related to a failure to honor PPT entries, which
is the real issue.

DSNUTILB has AC=1, which implies that (in some cases, at least) it needs
special properties. 

No. The programs that need special properties are in the PPT. The term
does *not* refer to AC(1).

any libraries in a STEPLIB concatenation be APF-authorized.

Yes.
 
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Re: I Finally Got a Job

2008-08-15 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
08/13/2008
   at 10:05 AM, Eric Bielefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I finally got a new job, starting Monday Aug. 18.

Mazal tov!
 
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Re: When is LDA-LDAVVRG LDA-LDALIMIT?

2008-08-15 Thread Lindy Mayfield
Ok thank you.  I can now see the differences after I played with some
batch jobs and the REGION.  This just shows me how very, very, very
(very) little I know about memory on z/OS.  

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 I've checked almost every address space on my system and they are
always
 the same:  LDAVVRG = LDALIMIT and LDAEVVRG = LDAELIM.
 
 Does anyone know what would cause them to be different? Or why are
they
 the same?

In   MVS Initialization and Tuning Guide 
see section  1.4.12.3 Limiting User Region Size

Also, if you have an IEFUSI exit, see the documentation for IEFUSI in
MVS Installation Exits.

Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY

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Re: DASD Space Allocation

2008-08-15 Thread Thompson, Steve
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SNIP

Well, William shouldn't feel alone in this.  I've been mucking around
with MVS since about 1980 (where mucking around
means doing various systems programming work) and never knew that the 16
extent limit was per volume.  

SNIP

I have been looking at Using Data Sets (a DFP document) from various
releases going back to OS/390 2.10 and I can't find something.

Didn't the allocation scheme allow 3/5 (whatever the DSCB1 allows)
extents to meet the *PRIMARY* and then go to secondaries (up to the 16
extent limit) *PER VOLUME* for NON-VSAM?

Reading this thread and looking at the aforementioned manual for z/OS
1.7, I was surprised to read that on second and subsequent volumes,
allocation is based on SECONDARY amounts.

And like Patrick was saying, I've also been doing some of this stuff
since the mid-'70s (pre MVS/SE). It is too bad that I discarded almost
all my old MVS manuals (I really need 'em these days working with Herc
and MVS 3.8J).

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: DASD Space Allocation

2008-08-15 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I was surprised to read that on second and subsequent volumes, allocation is 
based on SECONDARY amounts.

Not only that, but if you do a DISP=MOD on an existing dataset, it uses the 
SECONDARY.
The PRIMARY is not remembered anywhere; the SECONDARY is always.

I mean no disrespect, but I've known this since 1981, and I'm ssurprised by how 
many don't!
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Re: I Finally Got a Job

2008-08-15 Thread Glen Gasior
Congrats, I am still looking.

On 8/13/08, Eric Bielefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I finally got a new job, starting Monday Aug. 18.  As I don't know how my
 employer will react to posting on IBM-Main, I'll wait to tell you who after
 I start.  I'll be working in St. Louis.

 Anybody in St. Louis from IBM-Main?  Contact me off list, or call my cell
 phone at 414-477-7259.  Maybe we can go out for a meal or something.

 It's interesting in this pursuit of a job.  All three of the jobs I got
 since my long term job at PH Mining were gotten by someone calling me.  All
 the work searching for jobs on the web, and applying for them got
 nothing.  This job, and my other two contract jobs came from someone
 searching the web and either calling or emailing me!  Also, all three jobs
 were gotten by agencies that are local to the area.
 --
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Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

2008-08-15 Thread Ralph Kaden
In IPCS option 6, enter SYSTRACE and do a find for ' 53 '  That 
should take you to the SVC 83 entry, but there could, conceivably, be 
multiple SVC 83 entries, so you'll need to check Reg1 to be sure it's 
pointing to a type132 record.  Regs in SYSTRACE follow the PSW and are in 
the sequence R15, R0, and R1.

If you need more help than this, please see if someone can give 
you a short lesson in the IPCS commands you'll need or take an IPCS 
course.

Regards,
   Ralph

Ralph Kaden

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Ralph,

How would I go about checking SYSTRACE?


Rogers 

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Try this:

To determine who's writing an SMF rectype: 
 SL SET,IF,A=SYNCSVCD,L=(IGC0008C,64),DATA=(1R?+5,EQ,xx), 
SD=(ALLNUC,ALLPSA,CSA,GRSQ,LPA,RGN,SQA,SUM,TRT),END
where xx = the SMF record type in hex 

You should then be able to check SYSTRACE to see who issued the SVC 83 
(x'svc53').  In the case in which it's a branch entry, you should be able 
to follow the registers back to see who made the call.


Regards,
   Ralph

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Scott,

This is what I see when dumping this SMF record.
I see nothing that jumps out at me that would indicate who this belongs 
to.

  d  k¬   SYSBOPER004   \ 
 d  k¬   SYSBOPER007   A| 
 d   SYSBOPER007   A| 
 d   SYSBOPER004   \ 
 d   SYSBOPER004   \ 
 d   SYSBOPER007   A| 

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:52:01 -0500, Rogers Laine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

We are trying to research what software is producing SMF subtype of 132?
We see these records being created every 1-2 minutes when a TSO user is 
log on the system.
Any ideas?



Dump a few of these records and look for an eye-catcher in the header, 
presuming you are looking for SMF type 132.  You can use some DFSORT / 
COPY and IDCAMS PRINT utility commands - example JCL below:


//S1 EXEC PGM=SORT,PARM=ABEND 
//SYSOUT DD   SYSOUT=* 
//SORTIN   DD   DISP=SHR,DSN=_your_smf_input_file_
//SORTOUT  DD  DSN=amp;SORTTEMP,
//  UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(10,10)),
//  DISP=(NEW,PASS)
//SYSINDD   * 
 OPTION STOPAFT=5
 SORT FIELDS=COPY
 INCLUDE COND=(6,1,BI,EQ,132)
/*
//DUMP   EXEC PGM=IDCAMS 
//IN1  DD   DISP=(OLD,DELETE),DSN=amp;SORTTEMP
//SYSPRINT DD   SYSOUT=* 
//SYSINDD   * 
 PRINT INFILE(IN1) DUMP
/*


Scott Barry
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Re: DASD Space Allocation

2008-08-15 Thread Ralph Kaden
 I'm not sure I understand what you mean; if the default volume is a 
3380 and
 the allocation is satisfied on a 3390, a larger volume, how would the 
space
 allocation be increased for the larger 3390.

Found the following info in DFSMSdfp Storage Administration Reference 
(SC26-4920-01) in Chapter 3 (Creating the Base Configuration), Topic 3.2 
(Defining the Base Configuration), subtopic 3.2.3 (Specifying the 
Default Device Geometry): 
   When allocating space for a new data set on DASD, SMS converts 
   all space requests in tracks (TRK) or cylinders (CYL) into 
   requests for space in KB or MB.  If a generic device type such 
   as the 3380 is specified, SMS uses the device geometry for 
   that generic device to convert tracks or cylinders into KB or 
   MB.  If an esoteric device type such as SYSDA or no UNIT is 
   specified, SMS uses the default device geometry to convert 
   tracks and cylinders into KB or MB.  If the users in your 
   installations specify space in tracks or cylinder units, and 
   they specify an esoteric UNIT or no UNIT you must specify a 
   default device geometry prior to converting these allocations 
   to system-managed data sets. 
. 
   After SMS converts space requests to KB or MB, the space 
   values are passed to the ACS routines.  The values are later 
   used to determine the number of tracks or cylinders to 
   allocate for the data set.  The default device geometry does 
   not apply to objects or data sets allocated on tape. 
. 
   There is only one Default Device Geometry for the entire SMS 
   complex.  Default Device Geometry is an installations' 
   definition of how much space is represented by a TRK or a CYL 
   when an esoteric unit or no unit is specified. 
. 
   The device geometry for a 3380 is 47476 bytes/track, 15 
   tracks/cylinder. 
   The device geometry for a 3390 is 56664 bytes/track, 15 
   tracks/cylinder. 
. 
   It is up to each installation to decide what values to use. 

 
From MVS Storage Management Library: Managing Data Sets (SC26-4408): 
 
Using Default Device Geometry: 
 In an SMS environment, you use default device geometry to convert 
track and cylinder allocation requests to bytes.  This can be used for 
both SMS- and non-SMS-managed data sets.  Using default device geometry 
isolates users from actual physical devices; the amount of allocated 
space will be consistent, regardless of which device is used. 
 
 If you specify a default device geometry, it will be used for a new
data set allocation as follows: 
   - When the data set is SMS-managed and a generic UNIT has not 
 been explicitly specified. 
   - When an esoteric UNIT name is specified for a non-SMS-managed 
 data set. 
   - When no UNIT name is specified for a non-SMS-managed data set, 
 and the default unit is esoteric.  If the default unit is 
 generic (e.g., 3390), then the device geometry of this unit is 
 used for space calculations. 



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I'm not sure I understand what you mean; if the default volume is a 3380 
and
the allocation is satisfied on a 3390, a larger volume, how would the 
space
allocation be increased for the larger 3390.

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:22:35 -0400, William F Besnier wrote:

Situation came up on a client site where they received a very large file,
2.988 million records, and allocate the file size at (cyl,(2500,100)) 
with
a
unit parameter of sysda,10; the file is received across 2 volumes in 20
extents totaling 4,331 cylinders. I am not concerned about the extents,
what
I don't understand is the space allocation.

If SMS is configured with a default volume specified as 3380 and the space
allocation is satisfied on a 3390, the amount allocated will be adjusted 
to
account for the larger cylinders on a 3390.

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Re: California's COBOL payroll system

2008-08-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:58:24 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/11/2008
   at 07:49 AM, Howard Brazee said:

At one time the words widdershins and soleil were used - BC (before
clocks).

What happened to deasil?

Spell Checker corrected it to diesel.

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Re: SMP/E 3.5 and FIXCAT and Septemeber 2008

2008-08-15 Thread Skip Robinson
I heard about this change several times during the week in San Jose. I'm
pretty sure that the message was that RECEIVE will *not fail* absent the
toleration PTF. You will get 30K+ messages complaining about unrecognized
data in the input stream and a return code 8 to make you pay attention. All
recognized data--that is, everything you currently process
successfully--will be properly digested and absorbed, as all properly
absorbed nutrients are, into vital motors for the sustenance of the total
organism. The undigested intake is deposited elsewhere.

In other words, without the toleration PTF, you will have to deal with a
rather foul mess, but there will be no harm.

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JO.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
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I think I have this information correct.  My notes are in my suite case
waiting to board a plane.


At the Share presentation yesterday on the new features in SMP/E 3.5 it was
stated that we need to install a toleration PTF in order to continue
receiving maintenance once the FIXCAT function is implemented in SEPTEMBER
2008.

Without the PTF on our SMP/E 3.4 or 3.3 systems, our Receives will fail due
to the new keywords

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Re: SMF Subtype 132 record

2008-08-15 Thread Kenneth J. Kripke
Hello; 
 Ralph Kaden has given you a slip trap to use which will pretty much get 
you where you want to get to rather quickly
in identifying who is producing the record.  It will require knowledge on how 
to use IPCS to format up the dump.  
There are a series of Redbook publications available that will give you 
guidance on how to use IPCS.  Volume 8 of the ABC's of SYSTEMS PROGRAMMING 
is a good one.  There are even url's to download dumps for the exercises in the 
book you can use. 

Ken Kripke
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