Re: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue

2012-02-29 Thread Gibney, Dave
You use IDCAMS to to a REPRO LEVEL(userid) MERGECAT from the master to the 
correct user catalog and then DEFINE the ALIAS.

There are Catalog enhancing utilities (Catalog Recovery Plus and the other one) 
that do this faster than IDCAMS if you have a large number of entries to move.
 

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 Subject: Fwd: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue
 
 I agree that this happens when a userid is defined with alias relating to 
 user
 catalog.
 
  typo - it happens when  a userid is *not* defined with alias relating to user
 catalog.
 
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 From: Jake anderson justmainfra...@gmail.com
 Date: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:11 AM
 Subject: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue
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 Hi,
 
 Recently We have installed a new system Z/OS 1.13. During migration the
 Users datasets were restored and unfortunately all the user datasets are
 catalogued under Master catalogue. I agree that this happens when a userid
 is defined with alias relating to user catalog. I am just trying to 
 understand if it
 is possible to move all the users dataset catalogued under master catalogue
 to a user catalogue since the Number of datasets are in big number.
 
 Jake
 
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Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)

2012-02-29 Thread Edward Jaffe

On 2/28/2012 11:46 PM, Andrew Rowley wrote:
I get the impression that once Thunderbird has the messages in its local 
database, it is difficult or impossible to change the way they are threaded. I 
think (based on my experiences) that these options apply only to new messages.


That makes sense. I'll watch future threading behavior.

I much preferred Thunderbirds threading behaviour prior to version 3. 
Threading based on subject is a much more intuitive system - even with its 
occasional failings.


It's guesswork. The In-ReplyTo: tag gives perfect results, but only if used by 
everyone.


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Re: Fwd: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue

2012-02-29 Thread Anthony Thompson
I think the reference is to REPRO MERGECAT... doubt that will help here.

Might be easiest to use DF/DSS to dump/delete datasets, then establish the 
proper catalogue alias, then RESTORE/catalogue the files. I imagine FDR can do 
the same thing.

I was looking at a piece of software here called T-Rex (by Dino-soft), but all 
it would help with is an INTEGRITYCHECK command to compare catalogues and 
verify the alias' are all correct and accounted for.

Ant.


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Subject: Re: Fwd: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue

Robert,

I am unable to find any Information on MIGRATECAT on google search..

Is there someone who can point me to some Fine manuals relating to MIGRATCAT?

Jake

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.verno...@klm.com
 wrote:

 Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote in message 
 news:5467422117818390.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu...
  On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:14:36 +0530, Jake anderson wrote:
  
   typo - it happens when  a userid is *not* defined with alias
 relating to
  user catalog.
  
  To my understanding, that's half right.  It happens when  a userid 
  is
  *not* defined with alias relating to user catalog _and_ the master 
  catalog is *not* suitably protected.
 
  I have a question on terminology:  someone stated here lately that 
  user catalogs are ancient history; no longer used.  Is this so?  If 
  so, how are user data sets catalogued?
 
  -- gil
 

 This was probably about CVOL catalogs, I remember this remark.

 Kees.
  
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Re: Fwd: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue

2012-02-29 Thread Shane Ginnane
Just uncat them (with nscr) define the alias, recat.
No need to mess with the data itself.

See RCNVTCAT on the cbt. And yes, it works on SMS datasets as well. You'll need 
to massage the file RCNVTCAT generates so as not to hit innocent bystanders, 
but its just a mindless edit. Feed the file into IDCAMS.
Worked fine last time I had to do it - a while ago admittedly.

Shane ...

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Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)

2012-02-29 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2012-02-29 09:09, Edward Jaffe pisze:

On 2/28/2012 11:46 PM, Andrew Rowley wrote:

I get the impression that once Thunderbird has the messages in its
local database, it is difficult or impossible to change the way they
are threaded. I think (based on my experiences) that these options
apply only to new messages.


That makes sense. I'll watch future threading behavior.


I have two instances of TB. I did the change in one of them and see a 
difference in new messages. = It does work! :-)



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Processor usage

2012-02-29 Thread Miklos Szigetvari

Hi

My colleagues would like to know the processor usage for every processor 
on the machine or on the current LPAR .
Any way to find out something like this:  CPU1 was busy 50% in the last 
1 minute and CPU2 was busy in 10%


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Re: Processor usage

2012-02-29 Thread Rob Scott
Examine the SMF type 70 records or use RMF to report on CPU/LCPU/LPAR data

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Subject: Processor usage

 Hi

My colleagues would like to know the processor usage for every processor on the 
machine or on the current LPAR .
Any way to find out something like this:  CPU1 was busy 50% in the last
1 minute and CPU2 was busy in 10%

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Re: Fwd: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue

2012-02-29 Thread Gibney, Dave
REPRO MERGECAT will certainly work, but Shane's also correct if the datasets 
aren't SMS.
Even if they are SMS, with proper authority, you could DELETE dsn NOSCRATCH and 
DEFINE RECATALOG 

If it was me, I'd use MERGECAT (I have that job  already in my library) unless 
it was a really large number of datasets, then since I have CR+, I'd use it.

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 Subject: Re: Fwd: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master
 Catalogue
 
 I think the reference is to REPRO MERGECAT... doubt that will help
 here.
 
 Might be easiest to use DF/DSS to dump/delete datasets, then establish
 the proper catalogue alias, then RESTORE/catalogue the files. I imagine
 FDR can do the same thing.
 
 I was looking at a piece of software here called T-Rex (by Dino-soft),
 but all it would help with is an INTEGRITYCHECK command to compare
 catalogues and verify the alias' are all correct and accounted for.
 
 Ant.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
 Behalf Of Jake anderson
 Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012 5:25 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: Fwd: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master
 Catalogue
 
 Robert,
 
 I am unable to find any Information on MIGRATECAT on google search..
 
 Is there someone who can point me to some Fine manuals relating to
 MIGRATCAT?
 
 Jake
 
 On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
 kees.verno...@klm.com
  wrote:
 
  Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote in message
  news:5467422117818390.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu...
   On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:14:36 +0530, Jake anderson wrote:
   
typo - it happens when  a userid is *not* defined with alias
  relating to
   user catalog.
   
   To my understanding, that's half right.  It happens when  a userid
   is
   *not* defined with alias relating to user catalog _and_ the master
   catalog is *not* suitably protected.
  
   I have a question on terminology:  someone stated here lately that
   user catalogs are ancient history; no longer used.  Is this so?  If
   so, how are user data sets catalogued?
  
   -- gil
  
 
  This was probably about CVOL catalogs, I remember this remark.
 
  Kees.
   
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Re: Processor usage

2012-02-29 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Out of curiosity, are your colleagues going to use this to
schedule/attach work, probably to processors? If you are trying to be
smarter than WLM, PR/SM, Hiperdispatch and all the other CPU management,
you will hit your nose hard.

Kees.


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  Hi
 
 My colleagues would like to know the processor usage for every
processor 
 on the machine or on the current LPAR .
 Any way to find out something like this:  CPU1 was busy 50% in the
last 
 1 minute and CPU2 was busy in 10%
 
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Re: Processor usage

2012-02-29 Thread Miklos Szigetvari

Hi

Just looking into the SMF 70 records.
Till now don't see the processor usage (or see , just don't understand ) 
, but I will try hard


On 2/29/2012 10:24 AM, Rob Scott wrote:

Examine the SMF type 70 records or use RMF to report on CPU/LCPU/LPAR data

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  Hi

My colleagues would like to know the processor usage for every processor on the 
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Any way to find out something like this:  CPU1 was busy 50% in the last
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Re: Processor usage

2012-02-29 Thread Miklos Szigetvari

On 2/29/2012 10:34 AM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote:

Out of curiosity, are your colleagues going to use this to
schedule/attach work, probably to processors? If you are trying to be
smarter than WLM, PR/SM, Hiperdispatch and all the other CPU management,
you will hit your nose hard.

Hope they don't want to be smarter as WLM .
They develop a general  performance monitor,  to our server product, 
running in all platforms, and try to get this,  independent from platform

Kees.


Miklos Szigetvarimiklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com  wrote in
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  Hi

My colleagues would like to know the processor usage for every

processor

on the machine or on the current LPAR .
Any way to find out something like this:  CPU1 was busy 50% in the

last

1 minute and CPU2 was busy in 10%

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Re: Processor usage

2012-02-29 Thread Rob Scott
A simple calculation of physical CPU usage using SMF-70 :

100*(SMF_interval_stck - SMF70WAT)/SMF_interval_stck

(SMF_interval_stck is the STCK version of SMF70INT)

You can also process the LCPU (logical CPU) sections and work out busy% using 
the following fields :

SMF70PDT
SMF70EDT
SMF70WST
SMF70ONT 

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Subject: Re: Processor usage

 Hi

Just looking into the SMF 70 records.
Till now don't see the processor usage (or see , just don't understand ) , but 
I will try hard

On 2/29/2012 10:24 AM, Rob Scott wrote:
 Examine the SMF type 70 records or use RMF to report on CPU/LCPU/LPAR 
 data

 Rob Scott
 Lead Developer
 Rocket Software
 275 Grove Street * Newton, MA 02466-2272 * USA
 Tel: +1.781.684.2305
 Email: rsc...@rs.com
 Web: www.rocketsoftware.com

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 Subject: Processor usage

   Hi

 My colleagues would like to know the processor usage for every processor on 
 the machine or on the current LPAR .
 Any way to find out something like this:  CPU1 was busy 50% in the 
 last
 1 minute and CPU2 was busy in 10%

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Re: Processor usage

2012-02-29 Thread Martin Packer
Then they will be prepared to learn how to do the calculations from the 
SMF 70 data and bake it into their product. There is no utilisation number 
recorded in Type 70: RMF postprocessor (and the ecosystem) do the 
calculations for end consumers based on fields in Type 70.

Cheers, Martin

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On 2/29/2012 10:34 AM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote:
 Out of curiosity, are your colleagues going to use this to
 schedule/attach work, probably to processors? If you are trying to be
 smarter than WLM, PR/SM, Hiperdispatch and all the other CPU management,
 you will hit your nose hard.
Hope they don't want to be smarter as WLM .
They develop a general  performance monitor,  to our server product, 
running in all platforms, and try to get this,  independent from platform
 Kees.


 Miklos Szigetvarimiklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com  wrote in
 message news:4f4ded65.9060...@isis-papyrus.com...
   Hi

 My colleagues would like to know the processor usage for every
 processor
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 last
 1 minute and CPU2 was busy in 10%

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Re: Processor usage

2012-02-29 Thread Miklos Szigetvari

Hi

Thank you very much, try to follow this.

On 2/29/2012 11:43 AM, Rob Scott wrote:

A simple calculation of physical CPU usage using SMF-70 :

100*(SMF_interval_stck - SMF70WAT)/SMF_interval_stck

(SMF_interval_stck is the STCK version of SMF70INT)

You can also process the LCPU (logical CPU) sections and work out busy% using 
the following fields :

SMF70PDT
SMF70EDT
SMF70WST
SMF70ONT

Rob Scott
Lead Developer
Rocket Software
275 Grove Street * Newton, MA 02466-2272 * USA
Tel: +1.781.684.2305
Email: rsc...@rs.com
Web: www.rocketsoftware.com


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: 29 February 2012 10:26
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Processor usage

  Hi

Just looking into the SMF 70 records.
Till now don't see the processor usage (or see , just don't understand ) , but 
I will try hard

On 2/29/2012 10:24 AM, Rob Scott wrote:

Examine the SMF type 70 records or use RMF to report on CPU/LCPU/LPAR
data

Rob Scott
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Sent: 29 February 2012 09:18
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Processor usage

   Hi

My colleagues would like to know the processor usage for every processor on the 
machine or on the current LPAR .
Any way to find out something like this:  CPU1 was busy 50% in the
last
1 minute and CPU2 was busy in 10%

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Jan MOEYERSONS
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:45:11 +, Rob Scott rsc...@rocketsoftware.com wrote:


Obviously this assumes you know the UTC offset at the time of the LPAR


And that is exactly where it hurts... How does one know what the offset was at 
the time the timestamp was taken? Due to daylight saving, it is far from 
obvious to determine the offset at any given moment in the past.

Cheers,

Jantje.

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Jan MOEYERSONS
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:17:46 -0600, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:

Set time zone with tzset().

Call localtime() then strftime().


I am not sure this will work correctly. The gmtime(), localtime() and mktime() 
always use the daylight savings situation of the current date, not of the date 
input to these functions. Which is an error, IMHO.

Cheers,

Jantje.

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ISMF/REXX interface.

2012-02-29 Thread jagadishan perumal
Hi All,

Is there a ISMF/REXX interface ? Since I am trying to automate few
repeating task which are done via ISMF. I tried googling with the keyword 
ISMF/REXX but no Luck

Any suggestions or References would help me in implementing my automation.

Jags

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Re: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue

2012-02-29 Thread Lizette Koehler
 
 Hi,
 
 Recently We have installed a new system Z/OS 1.13. During migration the
Users
 datasets were restored and unfortunately all the user datasets are
catalogued under
 Master catalogue. I agree that this happens when a userid is defined with
alias relating
 to user catalog. I am just trying to understand if it is possible to move
all the users
 dataset catalogued under master catalogue to a user catalogue since the
Number of
 datasets are in big number.
 
 Jake
 

If the datasets are not migrated, then you can use DFDSS to dump/delete,
create the alias, restore the files with CATALOG.  
If they are migrated, then recall them, DFDSS dump/delete, create the alias,
restore with CATALOG option.  If they are migrated and you cannot recall
them, then keep the list of migrated files, and recover them with DFHSM
after you correct the alias. 

I do not think you can do a repromergcat if the alias does not already
exist.

This should work.  I have used this technique in the past.

Lizette

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Re: ISMF/REXX interface.

2012-02-29 Thread Lizette Koehler
Subject: ISMF/REXX interface.
 
 Hi All,
 
 Is there a ISMF/REXX interface ? Since I am trying to automate few
repeating task
 which are done via ISMF. I tried googling with the keyword 
 ISMF/REXX but no Luck
 
 Any suggestions or References would help me in implementing my automation.
 
Jags,

Please describe what you want to automate.  It will help in determine the
technique to use.

Lizette

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Re: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue

2012-02-29 Thread Martin, Larry D
You can also use IDCAMS MERGECAT to move the catalog entries and then define 
the ALIAS(s).

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
Lizette Koehler
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:34 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue

 
 Hi,
 
 Recently We have installed a new system Z/OS 1.13. During migration 
 the
Users
 datasets were restored and unfortunately all the user datasets are
catalogued under
 Master catalogue. I agree that this happens when a userid is defined 
 with
alias relating
 to user catalog. I am just trying to understand if it is possible to 
 move
all the users
 dataset catalogued under master catalogue to a user catalogue since 
 the
Number of
 datasets are in big number.
 
 Jake
 

If the datasets are not migrated, then you can use DFDSS to dump/delete, create 
the alias, restore the files with CATALOG.  
If they are migrated, then recall them, DFDSS dump/delete, create the alias, 
restore with CATALOG option.  If they are migrated and you cannot recall them, 
then keep the list of migrated files, and recover them with DFHSM after you 
correct the alias. 

I do not think you can do a repromergcat if the alias does not already exist.

This should work.  I have used this technique in the past.

Lizette

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread John Gilmore
I cannot be the only one who finds these discussions  tedious.

The archives contain more than a hundred threads very much like this
one.  The same issues are discussed, more or less inadequately, over
and over again.

Sanely organized networks, even those that do not span multiple time
zones, collect and store only UTC [GMT] STCKE values.  It is then of
course possible to write trivial routines that, given a UTC offset,
display or print local clock times, absurd 12-hour ones in the United
States [and, apparently, parts of Canada too]  and 24-hour ones
elsewhere.

Insanely organized networks must always collect vector-valued times,
i.e., an STCKE value and its associated (fixed-point NOT integer) UTC
offset.

The raw conversion of STCKE-instruction values without the use of a
leap-second table is an indefensible practice that convicts its
perpetrator of radical ignorance and/or technical incompetence.

The table involved is short; it is ordered; it can be searched using
very efficient glb-seeking binary search; this table grows very
slowly; elements can be added to it before their effective dates;
ample advance notice of requirements to add new elements and their
effective dates (always one of two) is provided; etc., etc.[The
detailed design of this table should make provision for negative
leap-second corrections, but that is a trivial matter.]

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: TINC?

2012-02-29 Thread Lloyd Fuller
No.  When we used PCP on the Model 40 with 64K.  We had a single job partition 
and, most of the time, a spool partition.  It was a very simple partition (like 
10K or so) that ran the 1401 and the card punch.  If we needed more memory for 
a 
specific purpose, we would reipl from a different pack and bring up OS360 with 
just the program partition.

Lloyd



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Subject: Re: TINC?

In 1330454972.6614.yahoomai...@web180914.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on
02/28/2012
   at 10:49 AM, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net said:

But, of course, with the spooler partition.

SPOOL? There is no SPOOL in PCP.

Oh, you mean the offline 1401.

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:44:46 -0500, John Gilmore johnwgilmore0...@gmail.com 
wrote:

I cannot be the only one who finds these discussions  tedious.

C'mon John, at least they tend to stray less than some (most ?) others.

...
The table involved is short; it is ordered; it can be searched using
very efficient glb-seeking binary search; this table grows very
slowly; elements can be added to it before their effective dates;
ample advance notice of requirements to add new elements and their
effective dates (always one of two) is provided; etc., etc.

Yep, it's called TZDATA. Pity IBM hasn't gotten sufficiently organized to 
embrace it for z/OS
Damn, I guess that places me alongside gil/John. Thus a (nominal) triumvirate - 
perchance to progress to a fully populated cabal someday ?

Shane ...

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Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)

2012-02-29 Thread Steve Comstock

On 2/28/2012 9:11 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote:

On 2/28/2012 4:09 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:51:31 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote:


On 2/28/2012 8:51 AM, McKown, John wrote:

IOW, damned if I do and damned if I don't (insert hard line breaks, that is).

My advice is not to ever insert any hard breaks. That just makes things worse.
When one relies on software that properly handles format=flowed everything
should work beautifully. Thunderbird seems to support this very well. I assume
Outlook does as well.


I'll take the contrary position.

This ain't a word processor.

I learned long ago to insert line breaks where I want them -- it's the
big key to the right of the home row.


Allow me to restate. What I actually meant to say was not to insert any
GRATUITOUS hard breaks. Obviously, hard breaks between paragraphs is a good
idea. But, hard breaks in the middle of a paragraph become unreadable when 
quoted.



I don't think so. As I mentioned earlier, I
insert lots of hard breaks. The key is to
keep lines short and roughly the same width.
I think the result is easier to read and
easier to reply to.

But, of course, YMMV.

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Re: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue

2012-02-29 Thread Hervey Martinez
Yes, it is possible to move files cataloged to the master onto an alias under a 
user catalog.

It's been a while since I've done this but you probably have to define an alias 
different from the first level of your files. For example, if you have files, 
aaa.bbb that are defined to the master; then, the new alias can't be aaa; 
it has to be something different like aa1. Once the new alias has been 
defined, then the catalog pointers need to be merged onto the new user cat. If 
you have a utility such as TREX or Catalog Solutions, these utilities make this 
work much easier but IDCAMS can also do the merge of these records. Being user 
files, you may be able to just rename the files to your new alias provided 
these are not in use and there are no VSAM files involved; you can't rename a 
VSAM to an alias that's in a different catalog than the original vsam. 

Thanks,
 
Hervey


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
Jake anderson
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:45 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Fwd: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue

I agree that this happens when a userid is defined with alias relating to
user catalog.

 typo - it happens when  a userid is *not* defined with alias relating to
user catalog.

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From: Jake anderson justmainfra...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:11 AM
Subject: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue
To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu


Hi,

Recently We have installed a new system Z/OS 1.13. During migration the
Users datasets were restored and unfortunately all the user datasets are
catalogued under Master catalogue. I agree that this happens when a userid
is defined with alias relating to user catalog. I am just trying to
understand if it is possible to move all the users dataset catalogued under
master catalogue to a user catalogue since the Number of datasets are in
big number.

Jake

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Re: MSM 4.1 Upgrade Issues

2012-02-29 Thread Dell'Anno, Aurora Emanuela
APOLOGIES IF THIS IS A DUPLICATE POST - I RECEIVED AN ERROR MESSAGE FROM THE 
LIST.



Mark,

A bit late for your issues but I am only just going back through all the old 
IBM-MAIN digests.

Thanks for posting such a good explanation and I'm glad that our support were 
able to put you on the right track.


Thanks. 
  
Aurora 

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-Original Message-
From: Mark Zelden [mailto:m...@mzelden.com] 
Sent: 19 January 2012 17:05
Subject: Re: MSM 4.1 Upgrade Issues

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:49:58 -0600, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote:

snip


3)  The Datacom R12 SVC load failed because I chose the same number as the R11 
SVC
 that was in use for MSM R3.I thought, no problem re-run the load job 
 with the
 CAIRIM REINIT parm since MSM was the only user and MSM was not active. 
However
 when I did this it crashed CA-11 - which is using a different Datacom SVC 
 talking
 remotely to a different Datacom MUF on a different LPAR.  (ouch!)

 I double checked everything to make sure this wasn't operator error and 
 as far
 as I can tell, I did nothing wrong.  To fix the problem  I did a reinit 
 for CA-11's
 (and Jobtrac's) Datacom SVC and a reinit of the MSM R3 Datacom SVC and 
 restarted
 CA-11.   As far as I can tell this is a bug of some sort, but I won't say 
 so for sure
 until CA gets back to me.  I have an open ticket and they have all the 
 doc.

 As far as MSM upgrade was concerned, I just chose a different Datacom SVC 
 to
 go along with the MSM upgrade from Datacom AD R11 to R12.

 My advice:  Pick a new SVC number for Datacom if upgrading MSM from 
 Pre-V4.



CA-Datacom support replied back to me as follows:

==
As we discussed, the SVC is the communication vehicle for applications running 
on the same LPAR as the MUF, and as you have seen, these applications use SVC 
246 as expected and without issue. In addition to that, the SVC is also used 
minimally with XCF processing, and that process, which has been in place for 
several releases, is to use the lowest SVC at the proper release level for this 
small amount of work. In this case, since both SVC 233 and SVC 246 were at r11 
when CA 11 was started, XCF used SVC
233 for its needs. Then, when you reinitialized SVC 233 to version 12.0, 
control blocks and pointers changed, and XCF was broken, leading to the RC 
83(01). You can then note that when CA 11 restarted and reestablished 
connection across XCF to the MUF, that there was no further problem.

This, among other reasons, is why we have indicated for a long time that the 
CAIRIM process to REINIT should not be used to change release levels of the 
SVC. The recommendation has been that when introducing a new version SVC, that 
it be done at IPL time, or that a new SVC be used, and to not reinitialize a 
current Datacom SVC at a different level.

==

Of course indicated for a long time not to... means nothing to a new user,
which from an MSM standpoint, I am.   Also I reviewed  the MSM admin
manual, release notes and installation considerations and the migration 
checklist and there was no such warning about choosing a different SVC number. 
As matter of  fact, the MSM install doc specifically says you can use the same 
number for a migration:


SVCNO   

Specifies an SVC number for CA Datacom/MSM. 
Note: We do not recommend that you use the same SVC used by a   
running instance of CA Datacom r11. 

Limits: 200 through 255 

Note: If you are an existing CA MSM customer and perform migration, 
the parameter value can be the same as in the previous release. 


Anyway... previous advise stands:  Choose a new SVC number.  :-)

Regards,

Mark
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Re: ACF2 and LDS

2012-02-29 Thread Dell'Anno, Aurora Emanuela
Hi Andre,

Sorry for replying so late but I just recently got round to this - I asked our 
guys and their answer is:

The LDS is populated with outbound LDAP changes.

It does not accept inbound connections to ACF2.

This has nothing to do with age, as it happens.

In order to use the LDAP protocol to validate an id/pswd against CA ACF2, the 
CA LDAP Server for z/OS would be used and is a no charge item. 

If the user have the LDAP from back then, they can attempt to use it, however, 
if any issues arise they can't get support as everything R12 and prior is out 
of support.

Please feel free to contact me offline, or our Support team at 
http://support.ca.com for any further question.


Thanks. 
  
Aurora 

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-Original Message-
From: Hal Merritt [mailto:hmerr...@jackhenry.com] 
Sent: 08 February 2012 23:00
Subject: Re: ACF2 and LDS

I have no idea, but I'm going to guess the answer is: no. 

Reason is that LDAP is a relitivaly new kid on the block, and I would not 
expect meaningful support unless you were on the very latest versions of the 
software. Indeed, many LDAP featres wen't offered in RACF until very recently. 

But only CA could really address this question. Even so, I'll bet a virtual 
bervage that their answer will be '..call us back after you are up to date'.  


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
Andre Massena
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:48 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: ACF2 and LDS

Hello all,


I have a customer who has a rather backlevel version of z/OS (1.5) and ACF2
(6.5) as the ESM.


He would like to authenticate from the outside (open) world against ACF2 using 
CA's ACF2-LDS (LDAP Directory Services).

Does anyone know if the LDS implementation of ACF2-LDS is enough in itself to 
pass LDAP password changes / requests to ACF2 for authentication purposes or 
does the customer need to buy / acquire more CA addons / plugins / Service 
Packs to make this happen?

Please do not ask me why the customer is running such ancient levels of 
software, it is a long story..


Much appreciate any ideas.


Regards,



Andre 


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More REXX SDSF CGI fun (was: Anybody used SDSF / REXX in HTTPD CGI pgm)

2012-02-29 Thread Dana Mitchell
I'm working on a simple REXX/SDSF/CGI exec to display output from selected 
STC's via browser and HTTP server on z/OS 1.11.  I can get it to partially 
work, but there seems to be some inconsistencies in the way userid's are 
handled.

If I run a REXX CGI with the ISFEXEC WHO command it shows as running with the 
ID that the web server is running under,  not my ID that I used to sign on when 
the browser asked for credentials.

Further,  the output of ISFEXEC WHO shows the web server's ID, but it shows 
GRPNAME=ISFUSER which is the catch-all least powerful group in ISFPRMxx,  *not* 
the group that the web server's ID should be placed into.  If I log onto TSO 
using the web server's ID and issue WHO,  it shows the proper GRPNAME group 
assigned.

Has anyone done much work in this area and solved these sorts of probems?

Dana 

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Re: More REXX SDSF CGI fun (was: Anybody used SDSF / REXX in HTTPD CGI pgm)

2012-02-29 Thread Scott Ford
Dana:

It would help us to see your code and a bit of an explanation to what your 
trying to do ..

Regards,

Sent from my iPad
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Senior Systems Engineer
www.identityforge.com



On Feb 29, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Dana Mitchell mitchd...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm working on a simple REXX/SDSF/CGI exec to display output from selected 
 STC's via browser and HTTP server on z/OS 1.11.  I can get it to partially 
 work, but there seems to be some inconsistencies in the way userid's are 
 handled.
 
 If I run a REXX CGI with the ISFEXEC WHO command it shows as running with the 
 ID that the web server is running under,  not my ID that I used to sign on 
 when the browser asked for credentials.
 
 Further,  the output of ISFEXEC WHO shows the web server's ID, but it shows 
 GRPNAME=ISFUSER which is the catch-all least powerful group in ISFPRMxx,  
 *not* the group that the web server's ID should be placed into.  If I log 
 onto TSO using the web server's ID and issue WHO,  it shows the proper 
 GRPNAME group assigned.
 
 Has anyone done much work in this area and solved these sorts of probems?
 
 Dana 
 
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Re: ISMF/REXX interface.

2012-02-29 Thread retired-mainfra...@q.com
You might also want to consider why you are repeatedly changing settings which 
are usually considered stable and needing only relatively infrequent changes.

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Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:30:43 AM
Subject: ISMF/REXX interface.

Hi All,

Is there a ISMF/REXX interface ? Since I am trying to automate few
repeating task which are done via ISMF. I tried googling with the keyword 
ISMF/REXX but no Luck

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Re: More REXX SDSF CGI fun (was: Anybody used SDSF / REXX in HTTPD CGI pgm)

2012-02-29 Thread Kirk Wolf
Have you looked at the new z/OS Jobs REST Interface?   If it meets
your requirements, I believe that you will find that it far
outperforms a REXX/CGI program, which requires a new process (address
space) and SDSF startup/initialization for each request.

This new web services API is shipped as part of z/OS MF, and oddly is
documented in the z/OS MF Configuration Guide (SA38-0652-06)

==
The z/OS jobs REST interface is an application programming interface (API)
implemented through industry standard Representational State Transfer (REST)
services. This interface allows a client application to perform
operations with batch
jobs on a z/OS system.
With the z/OS jobs REST interface, an application can use REST services to
perform the following operations with batch jobs:

v Obtain the status of a job
v List the jobs for an owner, prefix, or job ID
v List the spool files for a job
v Retrieve the contents of a job spool file
v Submit a job to run on z/OS
v Cancel a job
v Change the job class of a job
v Cancel a job and purge its output.
=

Any client or browse-side scripting language that can make web
services calls can use this API.   The client will need to be able to
encode and decode JSON, but many languages and toolkits support that
readily.

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com
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On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Dana Mitchell mitchd...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm working on a simple REXX/SDSF/CGI exec to display output from selected 
 STC's via browser and HTTP server on z/OS 1.11.  I can get it to partially 
 work, but there seems to be some inconsistencies in the way userid's are 
 handled.

 If I run a REXX CGI with the ISFEXEC WHO command it shows as running with the 
 ID that the web server is running under,  not my ID that I used to sign on 
 when the browser asked for credentials.

 Further,  the output of ISFEXEC WHO shows the web server's ID, but it shows 
 GRPNAME=ISFUSER which is the catch-all least powerful group in ISFPRMxx,  
 *not* the group that the web server's ID should be placed into.  If I log 
 onto TSO using the web server's ID and issue WHO,  it shows the proper 
 GRPNAME group assigned.

 Has anyone done much work in this area and solved these sorts of probems?

 Dana

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Bill Godfrey
The value for Jan. 1,1970 is used in some code in Appendix E of Unix System 
Services File System Inteface Reference in a subroutine named BPXTEPOC:

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/BPXZB5A0/E.6.2

The value in the word returned by this routine is in seconds-since-1/1/1970, 
but, unlike the value returned by the C library time() function and expected by 
localtime(), it includes leap seconds, so for current dates it is 24 seconds 
too high. The same applies to the logic posted earlier. That may or may not be 
ok for your purposes. At the end of June 2012 there will be another leap 
second. The results of localtime() or gmtime() will be that many seconds too 
high unless you adjust the result for leap seconds before calling those 
functions.

The value is also used in the Rexx code at these links:

ftp://ftp.boulder.ibm.com/s390/zos/tools/wjsip/wjsigamu.txt

ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/s390/zos/tools/wjsigshl/wjsigshl.txt

Bill  

On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:48:25 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:

 Subtract TOD value for Jan. 1, 1970

Does anyone have a reference for that value? Yes, I could use CONVTOD and
yes I could calculate it but the former requires an hour or two of
programming and the latter has the potential to introduce one more variable.
The PoOp has the 1900 and 1972 values.

Thanks,

Charles

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Subject: Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 09:57:44 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:

Is there any straightforward way to convert an STCK value from some
point in the fairly recent (months, not decades) past to local time for
the LPAR's locale? By straightforward I mean without having to
maintain my own table of time changes for the historic period?

Subtract TOD value for Jan. 1, 1970.


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Re: More REXX SDSF CGI fun (was: Anybody used SDSF / REXX in HTTPD CGI pgm)

2012-02-29 Thread Miklos Szigetvari

On 2/29/2012 3:27 PM, Dana Mitchell wrote:

I'm working on a simple REXX/SDSF/CGI exec to display output from selected 
STC's via browser and HTTP server on z/OS 1.11.  I can get it to partially 
work, but there seems to be some inconsistencies in the way userid's are 
handled.

If I run a REXX CGI with the ISFEXEC WHO command it shows as running with the 
ID that the web server is running under,  not my ID that I used to sign on when 
the browser asked for credentials.

Further,  the output of ISFEXEC WHO shows the web server's ID, but it shows 
GRPNAME=ISFUSER which is the catch-all least powerful group in ISFPRMxx,  *not* 
the group that the web server's ID should be placed into.  If I log onto TSO 
using the web server's ID and issue WHO,  it shows the proper GRPNAME group 
assigned.

Has anyone done much work in this area and solved these sorts of probems?

Dana

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Hi

We are using the REXX/CGI with HTTP intensively, (I don't have ISFEXEC 
WHO), but I think it depend on your userid, how the HTTPD server configured

You are probably running under the HTTP server's userid.
From our httpd.conf :
Protection IMW_Admin {
ServerIdIMWEBSRV_Administration
AuthTypeBasic
PasswdFile  %%SAF%%
MaskWEBADM,webadm
}
Protection CGI_Admin {
ServerIdCGI_Administration
AuthTypeBasic
PasswdFile  %%SAF%%
UserID  %%CLIENT%%
MaskAll
}

Protect /admin-bin/* IMW_Admin WEBADM
Protect /Docs/admin-bin/* IMW_Admin WEBADM
Protect /reports/*   IMW_Admin WEBADM
Protect /Usage*  IMW_Admin WEBADM
Protect /cgi-bin/*   CGI_Admin

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Calling Authorized Assembler from REXX

2012-02-29 Thread Betsy Jeffery
I'm looking for a method to call an authorized assembler sub-routine from a 
REXX exec.  Is this possible?  Does anyone have a sample? I have also posted to 
the TSO-REXX list.
Thanks,
Betsy Jeffery
MGIC

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Re: DFSORT question - How to combine several records to one record

2012-02-29 Thread Minoru Massaki
Yaeger-san,

Thank you very much for telling me the way without additional DFSORT
step.  It is very helpful for me.
I really appreciate your support.

By the way, our customer already had installed the PTF on their z/OS
V1.10.  So they could use KEYBEGIN parameter.
I'll try to install the PTF on our z/OS V1.12.

Again thank you a lot!

Minoru Massaki  (M*M)


2012/2/29 Frank Yaeger yae...@us.ibm.com:
 Minoru Massaki at IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 wrote on 02/27/2012 07:23:45 PM:
 I added an additional DFSORT step which add sequence number in dsname
 records before ICETOOL step.
 So the ICETOOL without KEYBEGIN parameter got the right result.
 ...

 You don't need to add a STEP - you can just use an
 IFTHEN clause with RESTART instead of the IFTHEN clause
 with KEYBEGIN, as shown in my other note.

 Frank Yaeger - DFSORT Development Team (IBM) - yae...@us.ibm.com
 Specialties: JOINKEYS, FINDREP, WHEN=GROUP, ICETOOL, Symbols, Migration

  = DFSORT/MVS is on the Web at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort

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Re: More REXX SDSF CGI fun (was: Anybody used SDSF / REXX in HTTPD CGI pgm)

2012-02-29 Thread Miklos Szigetvari

Hi
Thank you Kirk
It is completely new for me also(i.e. REST), but about the performance.
Are you sure that it is faster as SDSF/REXX ?
I mean,  I have never seen something slower as zOSMF.(We are in z/OS 1.12)


On 2/29/2012 4:10 PM, Kirk Wolf wrote:

Have you looked at the new z/OS Jobs REST Interface?   If it meets
your requirements, I believe that you will find that it far
outperforms a REXX/CGI program, which requires a new process (address
space) and SDSF startup/initialization for each request.

This new web services API is shipped as part of z/OS MF, and oddly is
documented in the z/OS MF Configuration Guide (SA38-0652-06)

==
The z/OS jobs REST interface is an application programming interface (API)
implemented through industry standard Representational State Transfer (REST)
services. This interface allows a client application to perform
operations with batch
jobs on a z/OS system.
With the z/OS jobs REST interface, an application can use REST services to
perform the following operations with batch jobs:

v Obtain the status of a job
v List the jobs for an owner, prefix, or job ID
v List the spool files for a job
v Retrieve the contents of a job spool file
v Submit a job to run on z/OS
v Cancel a job
v Change the job class of a job
v Cancel a job and purge its output.
=

Any client or browse-side scripting language that can make web
services calls can use this API.   The client will need to be able to
encode and decode JSON, but many languages and toolkits support that
readily.

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com
+1 636.300.0901


On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Dana Mitchellmitchd...@gmail.com  wrote:

I'm working on a simple REXX/SDSF/CGI exec to display output from selected 
STC's via browser and HTTP server on z/OS 1.11.  I can get it to partially 
work, but there seems to be some inconsistencies in the way userid's are 
handled.

If I run a REXX CGI with the ISFEXEC WHO command it shows as running with the 
ID that the web server is running under,  not my ID that I used to sign on when 
the browser asked for credentials.

Further,  the output of ISFEXEC WHO shows the web server's ID, but it shows 
GRPNAME=ISFUSER which is the catch-all least powerful group in ISFPRMxx,  *not* 
the group that the web server's ID should be placed into.  If I log onto TSO 
using the web server's ID and issue WHO,  it shows the proper GRPNAME group 
assigned.

Has anyone done much work in this area and solved these sorts of probems?

Dana

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Re: ISMF/REXX interface.

2012-02-29 Thread Minoru Massaki
You can use ISMF batch interface to change SMS configuration, DCOLLECT
data operation and saved ISMF list operation for automating your
tasks.

You can see sample batch job streams following,

ISMF main manue
  -- 11 Enhanced ACS Management
 --  7  Batch Testing/Configuration Management

You can see batch samples


Minoru Massaki  (M*M)

2012/2/29 jagadishan perumal jagadish...@gmail.com:
 Hi All,

 Is there a ISMF/REXX interface ? Since I am trying to automate few
 repeating task which are done via ISMF. I tried googling with the keyword 
 ISMF/REXX but no Luck

 Any suggestions or References would help me in implementing my automation.

 Jags

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Don Poitras
Jan MOEYERSONS wrote:
 
 On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:17:46 -0600, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com 
 wrote:
 
 Set time zone with tzset().
 
 Call localtime() then strftime().
 
 
 I am not sure this will work correctly. The gmtime(), localtime() and 
 mktime() always use the daylight savings situation of the current date, not 
 of the date input to these functions. Which is an error, IMHO.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Jantje.

For historic local times, you'll need to add some logic to deal with the
changing start and stop of DST. DST started in 1966 and changed in 2007,
so if you have a date you want to convert that is in that range, first
do (for your particular time zone, this example is for the East
Coast...):

 setenv(TZ,EST5EDT,M3.2.0,M11.1.0); 

If the year is 2007 or later, be sure to first reset to the current
value:

 setenv(TZ,EST5EDT,M4.1.0,M10.5.0); 

Not as nice as TZDATA, but not rocket science.

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:12:20 -0600, Bill Godfrey wrote:

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/BPXZB5A0/E.6.2

The value in the word returned by this routine is in seconds-since-1/1/1970, 
but, unlike the value returned by the C library time() function and expected 
by localtime(), it includes leap seconds, so for current dates it is 24 
seconds too high.
 
No, it's correct; POSIX is the one that's wrong here.  (Those
who suspect me of being invariably biased toward UNIX,
please note.)

The value is also used in the Rexx code at these links:

ftp://ftp.boulder.ibm.com/s390/zos/tools/wjsip/wjsigamu.txt

ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/s390/zos/tools/wjsigshl/wjsigshl.txt

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Re: Calling Authorized Assembler from REXX

2012-02-29 Thread Rob Scott
Search the archives for IKJEFTSR.

Overview of one way of doing it :

(1) Write a separate non-auth stub REXX external function that processes the 
parameters and sets up addressability to the IRX* control blocks and handles 
the return data from the auth function.
(2) Ensure that the auth function module is in linklist (or authorized 
STEPLIB/JOBLIB if you must)
(3) Add the auth function module name to AUTHTSF in IKJTSOxx and get your 
friendly sysprog to update the system.
(4) In the stub function program, use IKJEFTSR to invoke the auth subroutine

Depending on the capabilities of the auth function stub, you may wish to add 
some sort of SAF check into its logic.

Rob Scott
Lead Developer
Rocket Software
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Tel: +1.781.684.2305
Email: rsc...@rs.com
Web: www.rocketsoftware.com


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Sent: 29 February 2012 15:35
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Calling Authorized Assembler from REXX

I'm looking for a method to call an authorized assembler sub-routine from a 
REXX exec.  Is this possible?  Does anyone have a sample? I have also posted to 
the TSO-REXX list.
Thanks,
Betsy Jeffery
MGIC

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 05:53:14 -0600, Jan MOEYERSONS wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:45:11 +, Rob Scott wrote:

Obviously this assumes you know the UTC offset at the time of the LPAR

And that is exactly where it hurts... How does one know what the offset was at 
the time the timestamp was taken? Due to daylight saving, it is far from 
obvious to determine the offset at any given moment in the past.
 
But the work has been done:

http://www.iana.org/time-zones


On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:05:04 -0600, Shane Ginnane wrote:

Yep, it's called TZDATA. Pity IBM hasn't gotten sufficiently organized to 
embrace it for z/OS
Damn, I guess that places me alongside gil/John. Thus a (nominal) triumvirate 
- perchance to progress to a fully populated cabal someday ?
 
In fact, on this topic, both Johns.  We lack only one of a quorum.

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Don Poitras
Don Poitras wrote:
 
 Jan MOEYERSONS wrote:
 
  On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:17:46 -0600, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com 
  wrote:
 
  Set time zone with tzset().
  
  Call localtime() then strftime().
  
 
  I am not sure this will work correctly. The gmtime(), localtime() and 
  mktime() always use the daylight savings situation of the current date, not 
  of the date input to these functions. Which is an error, IMHO.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Jantje.
 
 For historic local times, you'll need to add some logic to deal with the
 changing start and stop of DST. DST started in 1966 and changed in 2007,
 so if you have a date you want to convert that is in that range, first
 do (for your particular time zone, this example is for the East
 Coast...):
 
  setenv(TZ,EST5EDT,M3.2.0,M11.1.0);
 
 If the year is 2007 or later, be sure to first reset to the current
 value:
 
  setenv(TZ,EST5EDT,M4.1.0,M10.5.0);
 
 Not as nice as TZDATA, but not rocket science.
 
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Sorry, had those backwards. The new DST starts in March, ends in
November.

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Re: SMP/E Order Server Pair

2012-02-29 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
The PMR was updated stating that the issue has been resolved.  My receive 
pointing to Boulder completed successfully. 

The status page: 

http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/set2/sas/f/gdbm/home.html

Still says 

Current issues or problems:

The eccgw01.boulder server used in SMP/E's Internet Service Retrieval process 
is experiencing a problem. The user's job may end due to a long wait and/or 
SMP/E message GIM44336S may be received. We have also seen message EDC8130I 
Host cannot be reached. Customers are advised to submit a new order using the 
alternate (Rochester) server, for example, 
https://eccgw02.rochester.ibm.com/services/projects/ecc/ws
Updates will be posted when available. 


MA 

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Bill Godfrey
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:47:03 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:12:20 -0600, Bill Godfrey wrote:

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/BPXZB5A0/E.6.2

The value in the word returned by this routine is in seconds-since-1/1/1970, 
but, unlike the value returned by the C library time() function and expected 
by localtime(), it includes leap seconds, so for current dates it is 24 
seconds too high.

No, it's correct; POSIX is the one that's wrong here.  (Those
who suspect me of being invariably biased toward UNIX,
please note.)


Maybe some day I'll write a little test program that takes the STCK value for 
1999 from the Principles of Operation table, run it through the logic, see what 
gmtime() returns. I'm pretty confident it will be 22 seconds past midnight 
because of the leap seconds. Maybe somebody else will do that before I do, and 
prove me right or wrong.
 
The value is also used in the Rexx code at these links:

ftp://ftp.boulder.ibm.com/s390/zos/tools/wjsip/wjsigamu.txt

ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/s390/zos/tools/wjsigshl/wjsigshl.txt


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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:11:06 -0600, Bill Godfrey wrote:

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:47:03 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:12:20 -0600, Bill Godfrey wrote:

 http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/BPXZB5A0/E.6.2

The value in the word returned by this routine is in seconds-since-1/1/1970, 
but, unlike the value returned by the C library time() function and expected 
by localtime(), it includes leap seconds, so for current dates it is 24 
seconds too high.

No, it's correct; POSIX is the one that's wrong here.  (Those
who suspect me of being invariably biased toward UNIX,
please note.)


Maybe some day I'll write a little test program that takes the STCK value for 
1999 from the Principles of Operation table, run it through the logic, see 
what gmtime() returns. I'm pretty confident it will be 22 seconds past 
midnight because of the leap seconds. Maybe somebody else will do that before 
I do, and prove me right or wrong.
 
I'm confident that you'll be right.  I consider POSIX wrong here.  And I'm
likewise confident that POSIX will provide the rationale that so often
dismays me here:  too much legacy code depends on the incorrect
behavior ever to change.

The value is also used in the Rexx code at these links:

 ftp://ftp.boulder.ibm.com/s390/zos/tools/wjsip/wjsigamu.txt

 ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/s390/zos/tools/wjsigshl/wjsigshl.txt

Wikipedia, which is always right, says of an active proposal to
abolish leap seconds:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second#Proposal_to_abolish_leap_seconds

o October 2011: The ITU-R released its status paper, Status of Coordinated 
Universal Time (UTC) study in ITU-R, in preparation for the January 2012 
meeting in Geneva; the paper reported that, to date, in response to the UN 
agency's 2010  2011 web based surveys requesting input on the topic, it had 
received 16 responses from the 192 Member States with 13 being in favor of 
change, 3 being contrary.[21]

o January 2012: The ITU decided to postpone a decision on leap seconds to the 
World Radio Conference in 2015. France, Italy, Japan, Mexico and the US were 
reported to be in favor while Canada, China, Germany and the UK were reportedly 
against.[22] Others including Nigeria, Russia and Turkey called for more study. 
The BBC states the ITU decided further study of broader social implications was 
needed.[23]

And, repeating:

http://www.iana.org/time-zones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Sam Siegel
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote:

 On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 05:53:14 -0600, Jan MOEYERSONS wrote:

 On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:45:11 +, Rob Scott wrote:
 
 Obviously this assumes you know the UTC offset at the time of the LPAR
 
 And that is exactly where it hurts... How does one know what the offset
 was at the time the timestamp was taken? Due to daylight saving, it is far
 from obvious to determine the offset at any given moment in the past.
 
 But the work has been done:

http://www.iana.org/time-zones


 On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:05:04 -0600, Shane Ginnane wrote:
 
 Yep, it's called TZDATA. Pity IBM hasn't gotten sufficiently organized to
 embrace it for z/OS
 Damn, I guess that places me alongside gil/John. Thus a (nominal)
 triumvirate - perchance to progress to a fully populated cabal someday ?
 
 In fact, on this topic, both Johns.  We lack only one of a quorum.


But would that be as effective as a minyan?


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Re: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue

2012-02-29 Thread retired-mainfra...@q.com
Responses to a question with different opinions about the best way to solve a 
problem are nothing new to this list.  But the amount of misinformation you 
received for a relatively simple question probably sets a high water mark I 
hope we don't challenge ever again.

Fortunately you did recieve some workable solutions.  The REPRO MERGECAT 
command reference is in the Access Methods Services manual.  If you need 
further explanatory material, see the Managing Catalogs manual.  The DSS 
commands are described in the DFSMSdss Storage Administration manual.

- Original Message -
From: Jake anderson justmainfra...@gmail.com
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:44:36 PM
Subject: Fwd: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue

I agree that this happens when a userid is defined with alias relating to
user catalog.

 typo - it happens when  a userid is *not* defined with alias relating to
user catalog.

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Date: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:11 AM
Subject: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue
To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu


Hi,

Recently We have installed a new system Z/OS 1.13. During migration the
Users datasets were restored and unfortunately all the user datasets are
catalogued under Master catalogue. I agree that this happens when a userid
is defined with alias relating to user catalog. I am just trying to
understand if it is possible to move all the users dataset catalogued under
master catalogue to a user catalogue since the Number of datasets are in
big number.

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Re: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue

2012-02-29 Thread Richard L Peurifoy

On 2/29/2012 6:43 AM, Martin, Larry D wrote:

You can also use IDCAMS MERGECAT to move the catalog entries and then define 
the ALIAS(s).



Here is a sample to do it.

//MOVCAT   JOB
//*
//PRINT   EXEC PGM=IDCAMS
//*
//SYSPRINT  DD SYSOUT=A
//SYSIN DD *
 REPRO -
LEVEL(@ ) -
INDATASET(CATALOG.MSTCAT) -
OUTDATASET(CATALOG.USRCAT) -
MERGECAT
 DEFINE ALIAS(NAME(@ ) -
RELATE(CATALOG.USRCAT)) -
CAT(CATALOG.MSTCAT)


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Re: More REXX SDSF CGI fun (was: Anybody used SDSF / REXX in HTTPD CGI pgm)

2012-02-29 Thread Dana Mitchell
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:16:41 +0100, Miklos Szigetvari 
miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com wrote:
You are probably running under the HTTP server's userid.
Protect /cgi-bin/*   CGI_Admin

Miklos,
I have this protection setup but my REXX exec still says it is running under 
the HTTP Server's userid.

But I found an answer to the 2nd part of my question.  In our ISFPARMS, we 
assign groups based on TSO JCL, OPER authorities,  but in the FM I find this:

When you use SDSF's REXX support, special values are assigned as follows:
Logon proc name Set to REXX.
TSO authority Set to JCL authority.   

So this explains why the user isn't set to the group that I think it should.  I 
will have to add an assignment in my ISFPARMS member to assign properly.

Dana

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Barry Merrill
FALSE: 
Sanely organized networks, even those that do not span multiple time
zones, collect and store only UTC [GMT] STCKE values.

TRUE:
Truly sanely organized networks, of any description, collect and store 
EITHER the UTC datetime value OR the local datetime value, and 
the GMT Offset to the time zone of that system at that time of the UTC value,
AND the Leap Seconds in effect at that datetime value.

The first two are quite commonly stored in well designed data collection 
systems,
leap seconds are almost never stored.

Barry Merrill  

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Re: Originality (was: Duplicating SYSOUT ...)

2012-02-29 Thread Clark Morris
On 28 Feb 2012 17:04:12 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:

Creating and distributing?

Creating derivative works is a right reserved to the copyright holder. You
violate the copyright owner's rights simply by *making* a derivative work
(in the absence of a license to do so). It does not matter if you intend to
distribute it only to people already licensed for the original work.

Please save the flames: I am not making up the law, just reporting it.

Given the intent of **.SAMPLIB datasets, there should be a member in
each of those datasets clearly stating what is and isn't allowed.
Based on my use of them back in the 1970's and 1980's and MICHMODS/CBT
tape derivatives I doubt that IBM could assert rights at this late
date but this is a practical, not a legal opinion.  I base it on the
widespread use and the amount of animosity it would cause in the
customer base.  I can just see a judge or a lawyer asking why samples
were distributed in a manner that said they were examples if they
weren't to be copied and modified as needed.

Clark Morris   

Charles

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Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:47 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Originality (was: Duplicating SYSOUT ...)

On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:20:50 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

If you're licensed for z/OS then you're licensed for the members of 
SAMPLIB.

Including creating derivative works?  Where can I find this in writing?  May
I distribute such derivative works at 

least to other z/OS licensees?  I suppose it's my responsibility to verify
the license.

I wonder how much code on cbttape.org is derivative of SAMPLIB or of
examples in reference manuals?

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Re: 5 Byte Device Addresses?

2012-02-29 Thread Myname Is
check the iocp manual - it's  the CSS-ID (the logical channel subsystem id).

http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg2de3388ad7e19bffc85257768003f170eaid=1

page 68 and of course page 303, which says the 2817 has max of 3 for css-id, 
and a max of 2 for subchanel set id.

p.s. i loved the history lessons, most of them being fairy tales. and dark 
distant foggy  memories.
The truth though is more fascinating .

it's sad people can't let go device addressing was 3 digits(hex) .  let it 
go...
it's all now chanell-sets and iodf device numbers. the old days are gone, and 
should be forgotten.
let it go, ok?

A few yerars back IBM was well aware of the device number running outproblem, 
they addressed in a few ways,
1) more data per the addressed-device - notably the dasd devices.
2) add channel sets and 
3) add virtual layering.
 The thought was that this would allow the HCD/IOCP/HSA areas to be managed 
better(controlled).
and circumvent the  software intrusion into created 3or4-byte addressing i.e. 
5 hex digites need 3 bytes to live in.
and 3 bytes would upset the world of ZOS, (JCL,control blocks, etc etc).
Imagine the 2 byte fields abcd (that reresented 4 digits in 2 bytes) 
expanding to larger size as well.
it was a nightmare, to change pgms that dated back years and decades to 
evaluate and change, let alone user-pgms
sysprogs wrote.  a lot of money here.  best solution- keep 4 char device 
numbers asis, add a new plane of existance
and let the hotshot sysprogs deal with it. first confusion, then awareness 
(i.e. read newera software share presentation handout --session 10471 last 
march titled IODF, etc.,
  and/or other share sessions in last 20th century hosted by IBMers in a 
freeforall on this topic, it's been over a decade
-- where were you?)




so, it was decided to go another route instead -   the one they implemented 
starts at the IOCP level, and will
one day be better known.

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread John Gilmore
Barry Merrill is of course politically entitled to his view.  Equally,
he is entitled to the view that the earth is flat.  The warrant for
both is much the same.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:07:31 -0600, Barry Merrill wrote:

FALSE:
Sanely organized networks, even those that do not span multiple time
zones, collect and store only UTC [GMT] STCKE values.
 
STCKE is notionally closer to TAI than to UTC in that TAI and STCKE
are continuous timescales and UTC is discontinous.  TAI and STCKE
both embody the notion of (micro)seconds since an epoch; UTC is
specified in terms of  mm dd hh mm ss.fraction with minutes
varying in length as leap seconds occur.

-- gil

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Re: DFSORT question - How to combine several records to one record

2012-02-29 Thread Frank Yaeger
Minoru Massaki at IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
wrote on 02/29/2012 07:37:40 AM:
 Yaeger-san,

 Thank you very much for telling me the way without additional DFSORT
 step.  It is very helpful for me.
 I really appreciate your support.

I'm glad I could help.

Frank Yaeger - DFSORT Development Team (IBM) - yae...@us.ibm.com
Specialties: JOINKEYS, FINDREP, WHEN=GROUP, ICETOOL, Symbols, Migration

 = DFSORT/MVS is on the Web at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort

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Re: Calling Authorized Assembler from REXX

2012-02-29 Thread Walt Farrell
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:49:01 +, Rob Scott rsc...@rocketsoftware.com wrote:

Search the archives for IKJEFTSR.

Overview of one way of doing it :

(1) Write a separate non-auth stub REXX external function that processes the 
parameters and sets up addressability to the IRX* control blocks and handles 
the return data from the auth function.
(2) Ensure that the auth function module is in linklist (or authorized 
STEPLIB/JOBLIB if you must)
(3) Add the auth function module name to AUTHTSF in IKJTSOxx and get your 
friendly sysprog to update the system.
(4) In the stub function program, use IKJEFTSR to invoke the auth subroutine

Depending on the capabilities of the auth function stub, you may wish to add 
some sort of SAF check into its logic.

I think you probably meant auth function module in that last sentence, not 
auth function stub. 

Performing security checks in the stub (which runs unauthorized, and can be 
bypassed) are not really effective. If security checks are needed, they should 
be in the authorized program that is invoked by IKJEFTSR (your auth function 
module).

Also, if the REXX exec merely needs to call an authorized assembler routine 
(not subroutine) then a simple address TSO call *(modulename) may be simpler. 
It would still need the system programmer to update IKJTSOxx, but the AUTHPGM 
section rather than AUTHTSF, but would not need the stub module and other REXX 
stuff.

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Re: Calling Authorized Assembler from REXX

2012-02-29 Thread Rob Scott
Walt - you are correct - I meant auth function program and, of course, the 
SAF checks should be done inside that and not the stub pgm

Rob Scott
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Rocket Software
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Tel: +1.781.684.2305
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-Original Message-
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Sent: 29 February 2012 18:26
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Calling Authorized Assembler from REXX

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:49:01 +, Rob Scott rsc...@rocketsoftware.com wrote:

Search the archives for IKJEFTSR.

Overview of one way of doing it :

(1) Write a separate non-auth stub REXX external function that processes the 
parameters and sets up addressability to the IRX* control blocks and handles 
the return data from the auth function.
(2) Ensure that the auth function module is in linklist (or authorized 
STEPLIB/JOBLIB if you must)
(3) Add the auth function module name to AUTHTSF in IKJTSOxx and get your 
friendly sysprog to update the system.
(4) In the stub function program, use IKJEFTSR to invoke the auth 
subroutine

Depending on the capabilities of the auth function stub, you may wish to add 
some sort of SAF check into its logic.

I think you probably meant auth function module in that last sentence, not 
auth function stub. 

Performing security checks in the stub (which runs unauthorized, and can be 
bypassed) are not really effective. If security checks are needed, they should 
be in the authorized program that is invoked by IKJEFTSR (your auth function 
module).

Also, if the REXX exec merely needs to call an authorized assembler routine 
(not subroutine) then a simple address TSO call *(modulename) may be simpler. 
It would still need the system programmer to update IKJTSOxx, but the AUTHPGM 
section rather than AUTHTSF, but would not need the stub module and other REXX 
stuff.

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Re: 5 Byte Device Addresses?

2012-02-29 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Myname Is haroldberg...@yahoo.ca wrote in message
news:2280839336598964.wa.haroldberglasyahoo...@bama.ua.edu...
 check the iocp manual - it's  the CSS-ID (the logical channel
subsystem id).
 

http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg2de3388ad7e19bffc852577
68003f170eaid=1
 
 page 68 and of course page 303, which says the 2817 has max of 3 for
css-id, and a max of 2 for subchanel set id.
 
 p.s. i loved the history lessons, most of them being fairy tales. and
dark distant foggy  memories.
 The truth though is more fascinating .
 
 it's sad people can't let go device addressing was 3 digits(hex) .
let it go...
 it's all now chanell-sets and iodf device numbers. the old days are
gone, and should be forgotten.
 let it go, ok?
 
 A few yerars back IBM was well aware of the device number running
outproblem, they addressed in a few ways,
 1) more data per the addressed-device - notably the dasd devices.
 2) add channel sets and 
 3) add virtual layering.

How about:
0) invent the 3705? That was decentralizing, shifting thousands of
addresses behind one 37x5 device address.

Kees.


  The thought was that this would allow the HCD/IOCP/HSA areas to be
managed better(controlled).
 and circumvent the  software intrusion into created 3or4-byte
addressing i.e. 5 hex digites need 3 bytes to live in.
 and 3 bytes would upset the world of ZOS, (JCL,control blocks, etc
etc).
 Imagine the 2 byte fields abcd (that reresented 4 digits in 2 bytes)
expanding to larger size as well.
 it was a nightmare, to change pgms that dated back years and decades
to evaluate and change, let alone user-pgms
 sysprogs wrote.  a lot of money here.  best solution- keep 4 char
device numbers asis, add a new plane of existance
 and let the hotshot sysprogs deal with it. first confusion, then
awareness 
 (i.e. read newera software share presentation handout --session 10471
last march titled IODF, etc.,
   and/or other share sessions in last 20th century hosted by IBMers in
a freeforall on this topic, it's been over a decade
 -- where were you?)
 
 
 
 
 so, it was decided to go another route instead -   the one they
implemented starts at the IOCP level, and will
 one day be better known.
 
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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread John Gilmore
Paul Gilmartin writes:

begin  extract
STCKE is notionally closer to TAI than to UTC in that TAI and STCKE
are continuous timescales and UTC is discontinous.  TAI and STCKE both
embody the notion of (micro)seconds since an epoch; UTC is specified
in terms of  mm dd hh mm ss.fraction with minutes varying in
length as leap seconds occur.
/end extract

Note quite.  This formulation is plausible by analogy with the notion
that the Gregorian Month of February, normally comprised of 28 days,
is comprised of 29 days in leap years.

Leap seconds, however, are inserted into UTC by the BIPM upon the
recommendation of the IERS (Earth Rotation and Reference Systems
Service); and they are conceptually and by definition
extracalendrical.  Neither 1) the last minute in June or the first
minute in July nor 2) the last minute in December or the first minute
in the subsequent January is lengthened when a leap second is inserted
between them.  [This decision was taken advisedly.  There are a number
of calendars---The Hebrew religious one is the obvious example---that
make no use of minutes and/or seconds.]

I am not sure how seriously Mr Gilmartin's means his distinction of
units is to be taken;  cgs [centimeter-gram-second] units and fsf
[furlong-stone-fortnight] units are, I suppose, more and less
perspicuous; but as long as they are unambiguously interconvertible
the choice between them poses only issues of taste not substance.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Scott Ford
John and Gil,

Wow you sound very similar , very impressive knowledge 

Sent from my iPad
Scott Ford
Senior Systems Engineer
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On Feb 29, 2012, at 3:43 PM, John Gilmore johnwgilmore0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Paul Gilmartin writes:
 
 begin  extract
 STCKE is notionally closer to TAI than to UTC in that TAI and STCKE
 are continuous timescales and UTC is discontinous.  TAI and STCKE both
 embody the notion of (micro)seconds since an epoch; UTC is specified
 in terms of  mm dd hh mm ss.fraction with minutes varying in
 length as leap seconds occur.
 /end extract
 
 Note quite.  This formulation is plausible by analogy with the notion
 that the Gregorian Month of February, normally comprised of 28 days,
 is comprised of 29 days in leap years.
 
 Leap seconds, however, are inserted into UTC by the BIPM upon the
 recommendation of the IERS (Earth Rotation and Reference Systems
 Service); and they are conceptually and by definition
 extracalendrical.  Neither 1) the last minute in June or the first
 minute in July nor 2) the last minute in December or the first minute
 in the subsequent January is lengthened when a leap second is inserted
 between them.  [This decision was taken advisedly.  There are a number
 of calendars---The Hebrew religious one is the obvious example---that
 make no use of minutes and/or seconds.]
 
 I am not sure how seriously Mr Gilmartin's means his distinction of
 units is to be taken;  cgs [centimeter-gram-second] units and fsf
 [furlong-stone-fortnight] units are, I suppose, more and less
 perspicuous; but as long as they are unambiguously interconvertible
 the choice between them poses only issues of taste not substance.
 
 John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
 
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Re: Fwd: User datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Catalogue

2012-02-29 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 13:24 +0530 on 02/29/2012, Jake anderson wrote about Re: Fwd: User 
datasets wrongly catalogued under Master Cata:



Robert,

I am unable to find any Information on MIGRATECAT on google search..

Is there someone who can point me to some Fine manuals relating to
MIGRATCAT?

Jake


OOPS - As Dave Gibney responded the command I was thinking of is 
MERGECAT. I mistyped/misremembered the command name but had the right 
idea. I did however add the or something like that caveat to cover 
the wrong name case.


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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:43:02 -0500, John Gilmore wrote:

Paul Gilmartin writes:

begin  extract
STCKE is notionally closer to TAI than to UTC in that TAI and STCKE
are continuous timescales and UTC is discontinous.  TAI and STCKE both
embody the notion of (micro)seconds since an epoch; UTC is specified
in terms of  mm dd hh mm ss.fraction with minutes varying in
length as leap seconds occur.
/end extract

Note quite.  This formulation is plausible by analogy with the notion
that the Gregorian Month of February, normally comprised of 28 days,
is comprised of 29 days in leap years.

Leap seconds, however, are inserted into UTC by the BIPM upon the
recommendation of the IERS (Earth Rotation and Reference Systems
Service); and they are conceptually and by definition
extracalendrical.  Neither 1) the last minute in June or the first
minute in July nor 2) the last minute in December or the first minute
in the subsequent January is lengthened when a leap second is inserted
between them.  [This decision was taken advisedly.  There are a number
of calendars---The Hebrew religious one is the obvious example---that
make no use of minutes and/or seconds.]
 
And here, I'll disagree with you.  The embolismic second is 23:59:60
of the previous day.  I've seen it flash by with a telnet connection
to NIST.  (Or maybe they just had to call it something.) This seems
to me no more extracalary than February 29.  But it's all highly
academic.

By the way, the embolismic day in bissextile years is February 24,
the sixth day before the kalends of March.

(Spellcheck hates us.)

-- gil

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Sam Siegel
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote:

 On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:43:02 -0500, John Gilmore wrote:

 Paul Gilmartin writes:
 
 begin  extract
 STCKE is notionally closer to TAI than to UTC in that TAI and STCKE
 are continuous timescales and UTC is discontinous.  TAI and STCKE both
 embody the notion of (micro)seconds since an epoch; UTC is specified
 in terms of  mm dd hh mm ss.fraction with minutes varying in
 length as leap seconds occur.
 /end extract
 
 Note quite.  This formulation is plausible by analogy with the notion
 that the Gregorian Month of February, normally comprised of 28 days,
 is comprised of 29 days in leap years.
 
 Leap seconds, however, are inserted into UTC by the BIPM upon the
 recommendation of the IERS (Earth Rotation and Reference Systems
 Service); and they are conceptually and by definition
 extracalendrical.  Neither 1) the last minute in June or the first
 minute in July nor 2) the last minute in December or the first minute
 in the subsequent January is lengthened when a leap second is inserted
 between them.  [This decision was taken advisedly.  There are a number
 of calendars---The Hebrew religious one is the obvious example---that
 make no use of minutes and/or seconds.]
 
 And here, I'll disagree with you.  The embolismic second is 23:59:60
 of the previous day.  I've seen it flash by with a telnet connection
 to NIST.  (Or maybe they just had to call it something.) This seems
 to me no more extracalary than February 29.  But it's all highly
 academic.

 By the way, the embolismic day in bissextile years is February 24,
 the sixth day before the kalends of March.



My head is going to explode (one of these leap seconds; if I can pin down
when and where it occurs) from learning all of these new words. ;-)


 (Spellcheck hates us.)

 -- gil

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HSM recover backup from an missing tape

2012-02-29 Thread af dc
Hello,
i've a ttoc list of ml2 tape that i need to check if dsns in it have backup
and if they have delete migrat2 catalog entry and recover dsn from a
backup. Do you know a expedite way of doing this ??

Many thx, A.Cecilio

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread John Gilmore
Paul Gilmartin wrote:

| By the way, the embolismic day in bissextile years
| is February 24, the sixth day before the kalends of March.

Yes and no.  In some medieval versions of what we call the Julian
calendar---It was then called the Roman calendar---February 24th was
duplicated;  there were two of them cheek by jowl in leap years; and
it was not the first February 24th but the the second of them that was
the 'embolismic' day.  (The Julian leap-year test is the simple one,
mod(y,4) = 0.  There is no 2nd-order mod(y,400) = 0 for centurial
years.)

Leap seconds are, among those of us who concern ourselves with these
issues, extracalendrical, for the reasons I set out.  The NIST feed,
which I too have observed, has neither facilities nor time to do
things right by inserting, say,  'extracalendrical leap second' into
is text.

We began on topic, but I think we have already tried the patience of
some, and this is my last post in this thread.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: How convert historic STCK to local time?

2012-02-29 Thread Scott Ford
Not at all John my patience isn't tried learned a bunch, looked up TAI, new 
acronym for me.
Thank you

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On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:52 PM, John Gilmore johnwgilmore0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Paul Gilmartin wrote:
 
 | By the way, the embolismic day in bissextile years
 | is February 24, the sixth day before the kalends of March.
 
 Yes and no.  In some medieval versions of what we call the Julian
 calendar---It was then called the Roman calendar---February 24th was
 duplicated;  there were two of them cheek by jowl in leap years; and
 it was not the first February 24th but the the second of them that was
 the 'embolismic' day.  (The Julian leap-year test is the simple one,
 mod(y,4) = 0.  There is no 2nd-order mod(y,400) = 0 for centurial
 years.)
 
 Leap seconds are, among those of us who concern ourselves with these
 issues, extracalendrical, for the reasons I set out.  The NIST feed,
 which I too have observed, has neither facilities nor time to do
 things right by inserting, say,  'extracalendrical leap second' into
 is text.
 
 We began on topic, but I think we have already tried the patience of
 some, and this is my last post in this thread.
 
 John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
 
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IBM Main Forum

2012-02-29 Thread Graham Hobbs
http://ibmmainframeforum.com/index.php is where I found an interesting site. 
Seems I was a member years ago. When I registered I got an automated response ..

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Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)

2012-02-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4f4d5a73.9030...@phoenixsoftware.com, on 02/28/2012
   at 02:51 PM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com said:

My advice is not to ever insert any hard breaks. That just makes
things worse.  When one relies on software that properly handles
format=flowed

John isn't generating format=flowed, alas.
 
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Re: Unwanted New Threads (Was: SMP/E Order Server Pair)

2012-02-29 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 2142326002012139.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on
02/28/2012
   at 06:09 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:

I learned long ago to insert line breaks where I want them -- it's
the big key to the right of the home row.

Which makes things harder for thos using a narrower window to read
them.

F=F is an abominable compromise.

But better than alternating long and short lines.

Q-P is no better.

Much as I hate QP, it has a useful role.

Both are attempts at stealth markup

No; QP is a way to sneak non-ASCII data into an ASCII protocol without
breaking things.

structured text that appears plain

FSVO structured text.

The games they play are never quite transparent. 

No protocol is transparent to software that doesn't support it. Half a
decade is long enough for the authors of e-mail software to start
supporting MIME.

They corrupt plain text that I paste in.

Then you're running broken software.

MS Exchange

is broken.

I believe F=F uses SPACENEWLINE as a continuation
indicator.  Woe betide anyone who allows a space to occur before 
a hard line break.

That can only happen with broken software. From RFC 3676

   A generating agent SHOULD:

   ...

   o  Trim spaces before user-inserted hard line breaks.
 
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Re: ISMF/REXX interface.

2012-02-29 Thread jagadishan perumal
Hi All/Lizette,

My Logic of automating the ISMF thing is like below :

Step 1 : Choosing the ISMF panel option then ,

Selecting Option 1 : 1  Data Set  - Perform Functions
Against Data Sets

Step 2 :

Then ,

 DATA SET SELECTION ENTRY PANEL Page 1
of 5


 For a Data Set List, Select Source of Generated List  . . 2  (1 or 2)



   1  Generate from a Saved List Query Name To

List Name  . .   Save or Retrieve



   2  Generate a new list from criteria below

Data Set Name . . . 'KGC08630.**'   = ==  T*his is
where I put userid HLQ.** to retrieve their DASD space utilizatio*n.

Enter / to select option  Generate Exclusive list

Specify Source of the new list  . . 2(1 - VTOC, 2 - Catalog)

1 Generate list from VTOC

   Volume Serial Number . . . *  (fully or partially
specified)
   Storage Group Name . . . .(fully specified)

2 Generate list from Catalog

   Catalog Name . . .

   Volume Serial Number . . .(fully or partially
specified)
   Acquire Data from Volume . . . . . . . Y  (Y or N)

   Acquire Data if DFSMShsm Migrated  . . Y  (Y or N)

Step 3 : Then :

I get a List of dataset like below :

   Panel  List  Dataset  Utilities  Scroll  Help

 --
 DGTLGP11 DATA SET LIST

 Entries 1-5 of 5

 Enter Line Operators below: Data Columns 3-5
of 42


  LINEALLOC  ALLOC % NOT

  OPERATOR  DATA SET NAME SPACE  USED  USED

 ---(1)  (2) ---(3)---  ---(4)---  -(5)-

 KGC08630-  ----

 KGC08630.CIC.LOAD 55K55K  0

 KGC08630.CICS.LOAD  1660K   664K 60

 KGC08630.TESTING.COBOL55K55K  0

 KGC08630.TESTING.SEQ 221K 0K100

 --  --  ---  BOTTOM OF  DATA  ---  --
 












Step 4 : Then I print the above by choosing the option LIST Option 9 to
Print.

Step 5 : Then After the above step 4 I get the screen like below :

   Panel  Utilities  Scroll  Help

 ss
 DGTDPR11  DATA SET PRINT ENTRY PANEL   Page 1
of 2


 Select Format Type  . . . . . 1  (1 - Standard, 2 - Roster)

 Report Data Set Name  . . . . KGC08630 -  USERID
HLQ
 Replace Report Contents . . . y  (Y or N)  Lines/Page . . . 55  (12 to 99)
 --
 Specify Tags to be Printed:

 ===  4



Line Operator(40)  CF LOCK Structure Name

Data Set Name(36)  CF Status Indicator

   (3)  Allocated Space  (24)  Change Indicator

   (9)  Allocation Unit   (6)  Compressed Format

  (14)  Block/CI Size(20)  Creation Date

  (16)  Block Unused (25)  Data Class Name

  (35)  CCSID Description(30)  Data Set Name Type

  (39)  CF CACHE Set Name(34)  DDM Attributes

  (38)  CF CACHE Structure Name  (19)  Device Type

  (37)  CF Monitor Status(29)  DS Environment

  (41)  CF LOCK Set Name (11)  DS Organisation

 Command ===


After the above a PS file is created with our ID prefixed like :
MYID.KGC08630.


So If I can automate the above thing using REXX then I print almost any
number of HLQ DASD utilization thing in a PS file.

Jags




2012/2/29 Minoru Massaki mmass...@gmail.com

 You can use ISMF batch interface to change SMS configuration, DCOLLECT
 data operation and saved ISMF list operation for automating your
 tasks.

 You can see sample batch job streams following,

 ISMF main manue
  -- 11 Enhanced ACS Management
 --  7  Batch Testing/Configuration Management

 You can see batch samples


 Minoru Massaki  (M*M)

 2012/2/29 jagadishan perumal jagadish...@gmail.com:
  Hi All,
 
  Is there a ISMF/REXX interface ? Since I am trying to automate few
  repeating task which are done via ISMF. I tried googling with the
 keyword 
  ISMF/REXX but no Luck
 
  Any suggestions or References would help me in implementing my
 automation.
 
  Jags
 
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Clarification on UNIX file systems

2012-02-29 Thread Jake anderson
Hello Group,
We have five files under /etc/sslserv directory in
z/OS unix with  extension of  kdb,der,p7b,rdb,sth with prefix of system
name. Whenever we create any new system , we are coping these files from old
system and coping to new system and renaming it as per system name. I tried
searching on goggle and many books about uses of these files but I just
found that these files are called key database and used for SSL. But not
much information.Now going forward we dont want to copy these file,
whenever we create new system rather we want to build these file newly on
those system.Can you please help me to understand about these file and  how
to building new files rather then coping it from older system.

Jake

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Re: ISMF/REXX interface.

2012-02-29 Thread Lizette Koehler
 
 Hi All/Lizette,
 
 My Logic of automating the ISMF thing is like below :
 
 Step 1 : Choosing the ISMF panel option then ,
 
 Selecting Option 1 : 1  Data Set  - Perform Functions
 Against Data Sets
 
 Step 2 :
 
 Then ,
 
  DATA SET SELECTION ENTRY PANEL Page 1
 of 5
 
 
  For a Data Set List, Select Source of Generated List  . . 2  (1 or 2)
 
 
 
1  Generate from a Saved List Query Name To
 
 List Name  . .   Save or Retrieve
 
 
 
2  Generate a new list from criteria below
 
 Data Set Name . . . 'KGC08630.**'   = ==  T*his is
 where I put userid HLQ.** to retrieve their DASD space utilizatio*n.
 
 Enter / to select option  Generate Exclusive list
 
 Specify Source of the new list  . . 2(1 - VTOC, 2 - Catalog)
 
 1 Generate list from VTOC
 
Volume Serial Number . . . *  (fully or partially
 specified)
Storage Group Name . . . .(fully specified)
 
 2 Generate list from Catalog
 
Catalog Name . . .
 
Volume Serial Number . . .(fully or partially
 specified)
Acquire Data from Volume . . . . . . . Y  (Y or N)
 
Acquire Data if DFSMShsm Migrated  . . Y  (Y or N)
 
 Step 3 : Then :
 
 I get a List of dataset like below :
 
Panel  List  Dataset  Utilities  Scroll  Help
 
  
 --
  DGTLGP11 DATA SET LIST
 
  Entries 1-5 of 5
 
  Enter Line Operators below: Data Columns 3-5
 of 42
 
 
   LINEALLOC  ALLOC % NOT
 
   OPERATOR  DATA SET NAME SPACE  USED  USED
 
  ---(1)  (2) ---(3)---  ---(4)---  -(5)-
 
  KGC08630-  ----
 
  KGC08630.CIC.LOAD 55K55K  0
 
  KGC08630.CICS.LOAD  1660K   664K 60
 
  KGC08630.TESTING.COBOL55K55K  0
 
  KGC08630.TESTING.SEQ 221K 0K100
 
  --  --  ---  BOTTOM OF  DATA  ---  --
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Step 4 : Then I print the above by choosing the option LIST Option 9 to 
 Print.
 
 Step 5 : Then After the above step 4 I get the screen like below :
 
Panel  Utilities  Scroll  Help
 
  
 ss
  DGTDPR11  DATA SET PRINT ENTRY PANEL   Page 1
 of 2
 
 
  Select Format Type  . . . . . 1  (1 - Standard, 2 - Roster)
 
  Report Data Set Name  . . . . KGC08630 -  USERID
 HLQ
  Replace Report Contents . . . y  (Y or N)  Lines/Page . . . 55  (12 to 99)
  --
  Specify Tags to be Printed:
 
  ===  4
 
 
 
 Line Operator(40)  CF LOCK Structure Name
 
 Data Set Name(36)  CF Status Indicator
 
(3)  Allocated Space  (24)  Change Indicator
 
(9)  Allocation Unit   (6)  Compressed Format
 
   (14)  Block/CI Size(20)  Creation Date
 
   (16)  Block Unused (25)  Data Class Name
 
   (35)  CCSID Description(30)  Data Set Name Type
 
   (39)  CF CACHE Set Name(34)  DDM Attributes
 
   (38)  CF CACHE Structure Name  (19)  Device Type
 
   (37)  CF Monitor Status(29)  DS Environment
 
   (41)  CF LOCK Set Name (11)  DS Organisation
 
  Command ===
 
 
 After the above a PS file is created with our ID prefixed like :
 MYID.KGC08630.
 
 
 So If I can automate the above thing using REXX then I print almost any 
 number of
 HLQ DASD utilization thing in a PS file.
 
 Jags
 
 


Jags,

So you are looking to create a listing of datasets with used space functions?  
If you can use CBTTAPE.ORG, you will find some entries that do just that.  As 
going into ISMF and doing a LISTPRT the Tag number 4 is for Used Space 

However, if you have other requirements, please LIST those.  The way you could 
have asked for this request is:  I need a space used mapping of VSAM datasets, 
or Space used of all datasets on a given pack.  The longer explanation was not 
needed.



Lizette

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Re: IBM Main Forum

2012-02-29 Thread Lizette Koehler
Graham,

I would create a new entry, then contact the admins about the old one.

Lizette


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