IEAOPTxx, CNTCLIST and MPLs and DOMAINS - Init and Tuning Guide needs updating?

2011-10-31 Thread Fred Schmidt
The following is from the Initialization and Tuning Guide...



Transaction Definition for CLISTs
An installation can specify whether the individual commands in a TSO/E 
CLIST
are treated as separate TSO/E commands for transaction control. Specifying
CNTCLIST=YES causes a new transaction to be started for each command in 
the
CLIST. A possible exposure of specifying CNTCLIST=YES is that long CLISTs
composed of trivial and intermediate commands might monopolize a domain's
MPL slots and cause interactive terminal users to be delayed. Specifying
CNTCLIST=NO (the default) causes the entire CLIST to constitute a single
transaction.



As I understand it, domains and MPL slots are no longer externalised with 
WLM Goal Mode, with WLM dynamically adjusting MPL levels to meet the 
service class goals. So I find it hard to see how setting CNTCLIST=YES 
could monopolize MPL slots. I ask because somebody has quoted this section 
of text as a reason not to set CNTCLIST=YES.

Does this section of text need updating or removal?

Also, can somebody please confirm that CNTCLIST does not apply when 
CLIST's/EXEC's are run in batch?
 
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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-02-04 Thread John Kelly

Can you elaborate on this?  We are running IDMS DB and DC and aren't
seeing this issue.  What resource are you enqueuing on?


here's the update that I got from CA. Since we're a uniprocessor, my 
solution was to
set ERV=0 which was the least worse solution.

Background from issue #17033487-01
   In terms of the enqueuing of batch jobs in general, our process is:
1.  When a CV batch job begins, it ENQUEUES SHARED on a MAJOR name of 
IDMSCV
  and a MINOR name of BATC, where  is a binary time stamp.
2. When CV gets control, RHDCCKUR attempts an ENQUEUE EXCLUSIVE on the 
same
  MAJOR and MINOR names, but since the batch job still control of the 
enqueue
  names, it goes to sleep.
3.  When the cv batch job terminates, RHDCCKUR will wake up and the CV 
will
  do the necessary cleanup for the batch job.

 This poses a problem for IBM's WLM, ERV function.  The 'sleep' 
scenario
described above is making WLM 'misbehave'. WLM / ERV wants to increase
the priority of a task that holds an enque that someone else wants.
That's ERV's function.  This was put in place to reduce enque lockouts,
ie low priority task has enque that a higher priority task need.
Even though IDMS isn't waiting on the enque, WLM 'sees' the conflict and
keeps trying to give the holder more cycles.  Since the holder is batch,
the
user basically has a batch job sucking up all the resources and IDMS keeps
passing it data.  This causes all CV activity to grind to a halt.  When 
the

batch job is a long-running one, it creates unacceptable delays for the
online system which is now running at a lower priority than the batch job.
   WLM ERV is adjusting the zos dispatching priority of the jobs. This

gets boosted up into the F1, F2 range (higher than the IDMS CV's) for the
batch jobs; the client turns off ERV and the batch jobs stay where they
belong, ie high C0, low D0 range.   This method of managing ENQ resources
was changed in z/OS 1.3.  In this processing, ERV is overriding the 
Service

Class management of batch jobs that we suggest in technote QI02781.

  IBM has stated that their ERV funcionality is working as intended.
It
does not include a method for ignoring some jobs that hold an ENQUEUE, or
for
selectively implementing the feature.  The client requests that we change
our
processing to use a RET=TEST on the enque instead of an EXCL request, or
that
we use POST to communicate serialization, so that this problem can be
avoided.

  Level2 has said that the reason we do the ENQ is to allow the CV to
be
notified if the Batch job goes away for some reason. Without the ENQ the
batch job would remain active within the CV. This would result in 
resources

being held indefintely (Storage, DBKEY locks, RCEs, RLEs, DPEs, etc.).  We
We need the Batch job to hold the ENQ so when the CV CKUR task attempts to
get the ENQ it waits. If the batch job goes away, the CKUR acquires the 
ENQ

and notifies the CV that things may need to be cleaned up.

 Client feels that the current methodology is one way to do it BUT it
has
adverse affects on performance and should be changed. IBM has said ERV is
working as designed, so the CA IDMS approach has forced them to disable
an important vehicle to minimize contention. CV could issue EXCL enq and 
if

it fails, then a batch job is executing.  ---
Error
---
The operation completed successfully.


Jack Kelly
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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-02-04 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Jack,

Can you elaborate on this?  We are running IDMS DB and DC and aren't
seeing this issue.  What resource are you enqueuing on?

Rex

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It is the time the ENQ will be promoted.


In addition to DSN Enq, I ran into the problem with CA's IDMS. It
enqueues 
on a resource (seems to be a heart beat indicator) and batch IDMS jobs 
also enque on it but don't wait. These batch jobs then get ERV
assignment 
and usually make a bad scenario worse. IBM said that there's no
exclusion 
methodology for ERV and CA says that the way IDMS works.

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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-02-04 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:58:34 -0500, John Kelly 
wrote:

>
>It is the time the ENQ will be promoted.
>
>
>In addition to DSN Enq, I ran into the problem with CA's IDMS. It enqueues
>on a resource (seems to be a heart beat indicator) and batch IDMS jobs
>also enque on it but don't wait. These batch jobs then get ERV assignment
>and usually make a bad scenario worse. IBM said that there's no exclusion
>methodology for ERV and CA says that the way IDMS works.
>

Can you elaborate on what your problem was.  We don't run IDMS except
for CA-Dispatch.  We run its archive and extract tasks externally (as STCs)
and those operate like an IDMS batch job would. 

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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-02-04 Thread John Kelly

It is the time the ENQ will be promoted.


In addition to DSN Enq, I ran into the problem with CA's IDMS. It enqueues 
on a resource (seems to be a heart beat indicator) and batch IDMS jobs 
also enque on it but don't wait. These batch jobs then get ERV assignment 
and usually make a bad scenario worse. IBM said that there's no exclusion 
methodology for ERV and CA says that the way IDMS works.

Jack Kelly
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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-02-03 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>It is the time the ENQ will be promoted.
>If you have a shop that routinely submits lots of jobs that get initiated and 
>remain in ENQ contention, (say, everyone and their uncle wants SMF data from 
>tape) too high of
a value is going to cause extra CPU cycles to be wasted.
>You're going to promote the DP for all those ENQ holders for no reason at all 
>for a longer period of time.  

This is one of those cases where any ERV is problematic.
The issue, in this case, is NOT the value of ERV.
The issue is scheduling.
In the case you sited, we don't let everybody's uncle near SMF.
And, in Production, we address this by re-scheduling jobs so there are fewer 
(hopefully no) conflicts.

My proposed value is for those (hopefully) rare (and short) times when an ENQ 
conflict cannot be avoided.

If you are having constant conflicts, then adjusting the ERV is just addressing 
the symptoms.
The real question is: "Why are we having all these contentious events"?

It is the time the ENQ will be promoted.If you have a shop that routinely
submits lots of jobs that get initiated and remain in ENQ contention, 
(say, everyone and their uncle wants SMF data from tape) too high of
a value is going to cause extra CPU cycles to be wasted.  You're going to
promote the DP for all those ENQ holders for no reason at all for a longer
period of time.  

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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-28 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:10:10 +, Ted MacNEIL  wrote:

>>I almost horked my coffee.  Following this thread from the beginning, I've
been thinking, "Gee... I guess we're not most shops!"
>
>The main issue with the ENQ Reservation Value is that the default is WAY
too >small.

Yes, I agree.  
>
>The second issue is what to set it to.

Yes.

>
>When I got involved with RACF ENQ problems, we were told to set it it to
20.
>
>The only problem with that, is no problem.
>If 200K is not enough, you have a big problem.
>If 200K is too much, it doesn't matter because the task doesn't consume the
rest.
>It's a ceiling, not a minimum.
>

Sort of.  It is a ceiling that could be hit over and over and over again.
It is a minimum time the DP will be promoted. 

(I dropped this thread before because I really have no hard evidence
to back up what I am about to write, nor are there any white papers
etc. that I know of, nor any definitive recommendations from SHARE 
presentations that I can find.)  Even some quoted IBM resources had different
values (10K, 50K and 200K from you are all numbers I've heard so far).

It is the time the ENQ will be promoted.If you have a shop that routinely
submits lots of jobs that get initiated and remain in ENQ contention, 
(say, everyone and their uncle wants SMF data from tape) too high of
a value is going to cause extra CPU cycles to be wasted.  You're going to
promote the DP for all those ENQ holders for no reason at all for a longer
period of time.  

Also, I think with blocked workload support, the exact setting is less
important than it was before.  But not everything takes advantage of
that support.

I'm not a capacity / performance analyst by current job function and I 
don't attend / follow CMG.  Perhaps someone who does can say what has
been discussed at CMG about this.


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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-28 Thread Arthur Gutowski
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:10:10 +, Ted MacNEIL  
wrote:

>>I almost horked my coffee.  Following this thread from the beginning, I've 
been thinking, "Gee... I guess we're not most shops!"
>
>The main issue with the ENQ Reservation Value is that the default is WAY 
too small.
>
>The second issue is what to set it to.
>
>When I got involved with RACF ENQ problems, we were told to set it it to 
20.
>
>The only problem with that, is no problem.
>If 200K is not enough, you have a big problem.
>If 200K is too much, it doesn't matter because the task doesn't consume the 
rest.
>It's a ceiling, not a minimum.
>
>Stop bitching about you are a big/small shop.
>Just do the work to see if it's required.
>
>Hork your coffee, or not!
>Just fix it!
>
>I've already been excoriated over this on another discussion group!
>
>I say, stop complaining and fix it!

Methinks the lady doth protesteth too much.

My reaction was not a complaint, my good man, nor any other form of 
judgement, but a slapstick response to Mark's tongue-in-cheek query as to 
how IBM came up with the sweeping generalization that "most shops run with 
a value of 50,000" and his mock offense that IBM obviously slighted his 
installation from inclusion in that group.

But then, that's what happens when you take a sound byte out of context, 
instead the whole passage, including Mark's post and my parting comment:

"Thanks for the laugh.  Excuse me while I acquire some napkins to dry my 
monitor..."

To wit, I say, "Slow down and buy some gas!"

Regards,
Art Gutowski
Ford Motor Company IT

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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-28 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>I almost horked my coffee.  Following this thread from the beginning, I've 
>been thinking, "Gee... I guess we're not most shops!"

The main issue with the ENQ Reservation Value is that the default is WAY too 
small.

The second issue is what to set it to.

When I got involved with RACF ENQ problems, we were told to set it it to 20.

The only problem with that, is no problem.
If 200K is not enough, you have a big problem.
If 200K is too much, it doesn't matter because the task doesn't consume the 
rest.
It's a ceiling, not a minimum.

Stop bitching about you are a big/small shop.
Just do the work to see if it's required.

Hork your coffee, or not!
Just fix it!

I've already been excoriated over this on another discussion group!

I say, stop complaining and fix it!

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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-28 Thread Arthur Gutowski
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:18:40 -0600, Mark Zelden 
 wrote:

>On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:52:08 -0500, Lizette Koehler
> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Today, most installations run with an ERV of 5.
>
>Really?  I wonder how IBM determined "most"?  I know they didn't consult
>us.  :-)
>
I almost horked my coffee.  Following this thread from the beginning, I've been 
thinking, "Gee... I guess we're not most shops!"

Thanks for the laugh.  Excuse me while I acquire some napkins to dry my 
monitor...

Art Gutowski
Ford Motor Company

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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-24 Thread Knutson, Sam
I would suggest doing the cleanup others have already pointed out, include more 
comments, and use mixed case i.e. 

SYS1.PARMLIB(IEAOPTH1) - 01.09Member IEAOPT
 ===>  Scroll =
* Top of Data *
/* GEICO SRM Options */
/*   */
/*TSO commands executed standalone or as CLIST are treated same  */
/* default is NO.  We prefer YES for consistency of reporting*/
  CNTCLIST=YES,
/*   */
/*  Enqueue Residence adjustment constant*/
/*  default is 500 which is way too low! */
/*  GEICO raises this significantly for enqueue and latch*/
/*  holders to do a timely release on resources held with*/
/*  others waiting for them. */
  ERV=5,   
/*   */
/*   */
/*  z9 and z9 recommended by IBM to set 10,30 per FLASH10337 */
/*  default is still 0,0 */
  CPENABLE=(10,30),
/*   */
/* Project use of zIIP engines when not installed*/
  PROJECTCPU=YES   
/*   */
/* HiperDispatch z10 support is disabled by default we turn it on*/
/* HiperDispatch will not actually be running unless on z10  */
  HIPERDISPATCH=YES
/*   */


These are for our systems currently on z/OS 1.9 
Why be stingy with comments or USE ALL UPPERCASE?
In a future release of z/OS I would like to see IBM raise the default for ERV 
significantly perhaps to 50K, change the default for CPENABLE on a new z/OS 
release since they don't make BASIC mode processors anymore, change the default 
for HiperDispatch since it is recommended to be on.

Different thread but HiperDispatch is actually quite good with large n-way 
machines.  Two z10's and both are running with HiperDispatch.
Yes 


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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>> You might want to read IBM WSC FLASH10337 concerning CPENABLE.
>>The latest recommendation for the z890, z990,z9 and z10 processors in both 
>>basic and LPAR mode is to set CPENABLE=(10,30).

IBM changes its recommendation every couple of years.
I've been arguing with them ever since PR/SM came out.
I kept every doc (for a while) where they changed the reco.

>I thought basic mode went to the museum..

It did on either z/990, or z9 -- I can't remember which (or was it z/900?).

But, I wonder what this has to do with ERV?

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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Larre Shiller

> 
> John -
> 
> FWIW, our ERV is set to 50,000 and it has been working without any
trouble
> for many years.
> 
> You might want to read IBM WSC FLASH10337 concerning CPENABLE.  The
> latest recommendation for the z890, z990, z9 and z10 processors in
both
> basic and LPAR mode is to set CPENABLE=(10,30).

I thought basic mode went to the museum..

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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Really?  I wonder how IBM determined "most"?  I know they didn't consult us.  
>:-)   

What do you use?
With today's boxes, 50,000 may be too small.

As I've said, I recommend 200,000.

'Too large' doesn't hurt.
'Too small' may!
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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:52:08 -0500, Lizette Koehler
 wrote:

>There is a good REDBOOK on this topic.
>
>SYSTEM PROGRAMMER'S GUIDE: WORKLOAD MANAGER   SG24-6472-03 (2007)
>
>The secion about ERV goes:
>


> Today, most installations run with an ERV of 5.
>

Really?  I wonder how IBM determined "most"?  I know they didn't consult
us.  :-)   

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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Do you have a reference for that 200,000 value?  I'm the capacity planner/zOS 
>performance analyst in my shop.  

The reference I have is confidential.
It was through a PMR at a site I supported.

But, there is common sense.

If you don't need it, it doesn't matter.
The key is to release the reserve.

The redbook (I can't remember name or number) recomends around 50,000.
But, as machines increase in power, the number becomes too small.
The redbook is, I believe, two generations behind in processor speed.

As my late grandmother used to say:
"It couldn't hoit"!

Overspecifying the value is not a risk.
Undersecifying...

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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Larre Shiller
John -

FWIW, our ERV is set to 50,000 and it has been working without any trouble 
for many years.

You might want to read IBM WSC FLASH10337 concerning CPENABLE.  The 
latest recommendation for the z890, z990, z9 and z10 processors in both 
basic and LPAR mode is to set CPENABLE=(10,30).

And other than setting DVIO=NO and HIPERDISPATCH=YES, we use all other 
default values.

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US Social Security Administration

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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Lizette Koehler
There is a good REDBOOK on this topic.

SYSTEM PROGRAMMER'S GUIDE: WORKLOAD MANAGER   SG24-6472-03 (2007)

The secion about ERV goes:

Therefore, you should ensure that work, on average, has enough CPU service time 
to
release the enqueue before being swapped back out again. You should verify the 
correct
value by looking at the report and evaluating whether the default value needs 
any further
change. Today, most installations run with an ERV of 5.


Lizette



>>
>>The change for RMPTTOM is that with z/OS 1.9 that system now uses the
>>value of 3000 for faster processors. 
>
>z/OS 1.7 and above with APAR OA18452 - which came out in March of 2007.  
>
> If you have a z9 or z10, or even a
>>z990 (I think), you'll have the "faster" processor.  However, you have
>>RMPTTOM=4000, so if you want to use that value you'll need to include
>>it.  If you're willing to go to 3000 then take it out and use the
>>default.
>>
>

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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Kelman, Tom
Ted,

Do you have a reference for that 200,000 value?  I'm the capacity
planner/zOS performance analyst in my shop.  While I'm not authorized to
change the system performance parms directly, they do look to me for
recommendations.  Since we are also planning an upgrade from z/OS 1.7 to
1.9 I've been reviewing the various parms and found that we need to
increase the ERV value and probably remove the RMPTTOM entry from
IEAOPTxx.  So I've been doing a lot of manual reading and Googling to
determine optimum values.  I haven't seen anything in my research about
such a high value for ERV.

Tom Kelman
Enterprise Capacity Planner
Commerce Bank of Kansas City
(816) 760-7632

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> 
> >Therefore, in order to increase the likelihood of the work unit
releasing
> the resource within the promotion period, we recommend increasing the
ERV
> value to a larger value like 10,000.
> 
> The RACF people have recommended much larger.
> Like 200,000 minimum.
> And, I agree.
> If it's not required, and the resource is freed before 200K are
consumed,
> then the job is swapped out.
> If 200K is not enough, you have a bigger problem.
> 
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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Donnelly, John P
Thankyou Mark.

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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:21 AM
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Subject: Re: IEAOPTxx

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:15:16 -0600, Kelman, Tom
 wrote:


>
>The change for RMPTTOM is that with z/OS 1.9 that system now uses the
>value of 3000 for faster processors. 

z/OS 1.7 and above with APAR OA18452 - which came out in March of 2007.  

 If you have a z9 or z10, or even a
>z990 (I think), you'll have the "faster" processor.  However, you have
>RMPTTOM=4000, so if you want to use that value you'll need to include
>it.  If you're willing to go to 3000 then take it out and use the
>default.
>

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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Donnelly, John P
Thankyou Tom.  

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To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: IEAOPTxx

It is correct that several of the parameters are obsolete.  So if you
want to cleanup your IEAOPTxx member, check the "Tuning and Installation
Guide" and "Tuning and Installation Reference" to see what ones aren't
there anymore.  However, the system will just ignore the obsolete
parameters.

The change for RMPTTOM is that with z/OS 1.9 that system now uses the
value of 3000 for faster processors.  If you have a z9 or z10, or even a
z990 (I think), you'll have the "faster" processor.  However, you have
RMPTTOM=4000, so if you want to use that value you'll need to include
it.  If you're willing to go to 3000 then take it out and use the
default.

Tom Kelman
Enterprise Capacity Planner
Commerce Bank of Kansas City
(816) 760-7632

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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
> Behalf Of Mark Zelden
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:08 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: IEAOPTxx
> 
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:42:16 -0800, Donnelly, John P
>  wrote:
> 
> >Implemented z/OS V1R9 from z/OS V1R7 with IBM default IEAOPT00:
> (ERV=500).
> >
> >Considering setting IEAOPTxx from z/OS V1R7 system into z/OS V1R9
system:
> >
> >INITIMP=0,   /* WLM INITIATOR DISPATCH PRIO SETTING
*/
> >CCCSIGUR=45, /* MEAN-TIME-TO-WAIT (DEFAULT)
*/
> >CNTCLIST=NO, /* CLIST SINGLE TRANS ?  (DEFAULT)
*/
> >CPENABLE=(0,0),  /* I/O ENABLE(DEFAULT)
*/
> >DVIO=NO, /* DIRECTED VIO ?
*/
> >ERV=500, /* ENQUEUE RESIDENCE VALUE   (DEFAULT)
*/
> >ESCTSWTC(2)=350, /* EXPANDED STORAGE CRITERIA FOR TSO
*/
> >ESCTSWWS(2)=350, /* EXPANDED STORAGE CRITERIA FOR TSO
*/
> >LSCTMTE=(1,15),  /* THINK TIME -- LOGICAL SWAP
*/
> >RCCCPUT=(105,128),   /* CPU UTILIZATION (FILL 'ER UP GAZ
9/22*/
> >RCCUICT=(2,4)/* UIC THRESHOLD (DEFAULT)
*/
> >RMPTTOM=4000 /* DEFAULT IS 1000 REPORTS AS (18432)
*/
> >
> 
> >Comments are most welcome.
> 
> Did you try looking at the init & tuning guide at all? Many of these
> are obsolete.
> 
> No more expanded storage.  Those parms are obsolete since you've been
> running 64-bit (perhaps as early as OS/390 2.10 ).   Certainly gone
> with the ability to run 31-bit after z/OS 1.4.  Lose 'em.
> 
> LSCTMTE - obsolete (since 1.8) - lose it.
> 
> CCCSIGUR - obsolete since goal mode, lose it.
> RCCCPUT  - obsolete since goal mode, lose it.
> 
> RCCUICT - obsolete (since 1.8),  lose it.
> 
> RMPTTOM - the only place I use a non-default is my sandbox.  There was
> a reason to set it for a while on "fast" boxes (z990 perhaps, z9), but
> IBM made some changes.  There have been past discussions on this.
> Search the archives.
> 
> 
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> mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com
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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Therefore, in order to increase the likelihood of the work unit releasing the 
>resource within the promotion period, we recommend increasing the ERV value to 
>a larger value like 10,000.

The RACF people have recommended much larger.
Like 200,000 minimum.
And, I agree.
If it's not required, and the resource is freed before 200K are consumed, then 
the job is swapped out.
If 200K is not enough, you have a bigger problem.

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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:15:16 -0600, Kelman, Tom
 wrote:


>
>The change for RMPTTOM is that with z/OS 1.9 that system now uses the
>value of 3000 for faster processors. 

z/OS 1.7 and above with APAR OA18452 - which came out in March of 2007.  

 If you have a z9 or z10, or even a
>z990 (I think), you'll have the "faster" processor.  However, you have
>RMPTTOM=4000, so if you want to use that value you'll need to include
>it.  If you're willing to go to 3000 then take it out and use the
>default.
>

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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Kelman, Tom
It is correct that several of the parameters are obsolete.  So if you
want to cleanup your IEAOPTxx member, check the "Tuning and Installation
Guide" and "Tuning and Installation Reference" to see what ones aren't
there anymore.  However, the system will just ignore the obsolete
parameters.

The change for RMPTTOM is that with z/OS 1.9 that system now uses the
value of 3000 for faster processors.  If you have a z9 or z10, or even a
z990 (I think), you'll have the "faster" processor.  However, you have
RMPTTOM=4000, so if you want to use that value you'll need to include
it.  If you're willing to go to 3000 then take it out and use the
default.

Tom Kelman
Enterprise Capacity Planner
Commerce Bank of Kansas City
(816) 760-7632

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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
> Behalf Of Mark Zelden
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:08 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: IEAOPTxx
> 
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:42:16 -0800, Donnelly, John P
>  wrote:
> 
> >Implemented z/OS V1R9 from z/OS V1R7 with IBM default IEAOPT00:
> (ERV=500).
> >
> >Considering setting IEAOPTxx from z/OS V1R7 system into z/OS V1R9
system:
> >
> >INITIMP=0,   /* WLM INITIATOR DISPATCH PRIO SETTING
*/
> >CCCSIGUR=45, /* MEAN-TIME-TO-WAIT (DEFAULT)
*/
> >CNTCLIST=NO, /* CLIST SINGLE TRANS ?  (DEFAULT)
*/
> >CPENABLE=(0,0),  /* I/O ENABLE(DEFAULT)
*/
> >DVIO=NO, /* DIRECTED VIO ?
*/
> >ERV=500, /* ENQUEUE RESIDENCE VALUE   (DEFAULT)
*/
> >ESCTSWTC(2)=350, /* EXPANDED STORAGE CRITERIA FOR TSO
*/
> >ESCTSWWS(2)=350, /* EXPANDED STORAGE CRITERIA FOR TSO
*/
> >LSCTMTE=(1,15),  /* THINK TIME -- LOGICAL SWAP
*/
> >RCCCPUT=(105,128),   /* CPU UTILIZATION (FILL 'ER UP GAZ
9/22*/
> >RCCUICT=(2,4)/* UIC THRESHOLD (DEFAULT)
*/
> >RMPTTOM=4000 /* DEFAULT IS 1000 REPORTS AS (18432)
*/
> >
> 
> >Comments are most welcome.
> 
> Did you try looking at the init & tuning guide at all? Many of these
> are obsolete.
> 
> No more expanded storage.  Those parms are obsolete since you've been
> running 64-bit (perhaps as early as OS/390 2.10 ).   Certainly gone
> with the ability to run 31-bit after z/OS 1.4.  Lose 'em.
> 
> LSCTMTE - obsolete (since 1.8) - lose it.
> 
> CCCSIGUR - obsolete since goal mode, lose it.
> RCCCPUT  - obsolete since goal mode, lose it.
> 
> RCCUICT - obsolete (since 1.8),  lose it.
> 
> RMPTTOM - the only place I use a non-default is my sandbox.  There was
> a reason to set it for a while on "fast" boxes (z990 perhaps, z9), but
> IBM made some changes.  There have been past discussions on this.
> Search the archives.
> 
> 
> --
> Mark Zelden
> Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead
> Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO
> mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com
> z/OS Systems Programming expert at
> http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/
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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Mark Zelden
>On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:42:16 -0800, Donnelly, John P
> wrote:
>
>>Implemented z/OS V1R9 from z/OS V1R7 with IBM default IEAOPT00: (ERV=500).
>>
>>Considering setting IEAOPTxx from z/OS V1R7 system into z/OS V1R9 system:
>>
>>INITIMP=0,   /* WLM INITIATOR DISPATCH PRIO SETTING */
>>CCCSIGUR=45, /* MEAN-TIME-TO-WAIT (DEFAULT) */
>>CNTCLIST=NO, /* CLIST SINGLE TRANS ?  (DEFAULT) */
>>CPENABLE=(0,0),  /* I/O ENABLE(DEFAULT) */
>>DVIO=NO, /* DIRECTED VIO ?  */
>>ERV=500, /* ENQUEUE RESIDENCE VALUE   (DEFAULT) */
>>ESCTSWTC(2)=350, /* EXPANDED STORAGE CRITERIA FOR TSO   */
>>ESCTSWWS(2)=350, /* EXPANDED STORAGE CRITERIA FOR TSO   */
>>LSCTMTE=(1,15),  /* THINK TIME -- LOGICAL SWAP  */
>>RCCCPUT=(105,128),   /* CPU UTILIZATION (FILL 'ER UP GAZ 9/22*/
>>RCCUICT=(2,4)/* UIC THRESHOLD (DEFAULT) */
>>RMPTTOM=4000 /* DEFAULT IS 1000 REPORTS AS (18432)  */
>>
>
>>Comments are most welcome.
>
>Did you try looking at the init & tuning guide at all? Many of these
>are obsolete.
>
>No more expanded storage.  Those parms are obsolete since you've been
>running 64-bit (perhaps as early as OS/390 2.10 ).   Certainly gone
>with the ability to run 31-bit after z/OS 1.4.  Lose 'em.
>
>LSCTMTE - obsolete (since 1.8) - lose it.
>
>CCCSIGUR - obsolete since goal mode, lose it.
>RCCCPUT  - obsolete since goal mode, lose it.
>
>RCCUICT - obsolete (since 1.8),  lose it.
>
>RMPTTOM - the only place I use a non-default is my sandbox.  There was
>a reason to set it for a while on "fast" boxes (z990 perhaps, z9), but
>IBM made some changes.  There have been past discussions on this.
>Search the archives.
>

Oh... if you were just asking about ERV, then you may want to set that
higher.   Again, search the archives.   There has been some disagreement
as to how high (for example, Cheryl Watson may have recommended one
thing and Kathy Walsh another IIRC).  I think some were setting it as
high as 2.I have ours set at 5000.  

Mark
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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:42:16 -0800, Donnelly, John P
 wrote:

>Implemented z/OS V1R9 from z/OS V1R7 with IBM default IEAOPT00: (ERV=500).
>
>Considering setting IEAOPTxx from z/OS V1R7 system into z/OS V1R9 system:
>
>INITIMP=0,   /* WLM INITIATOR DISPATCH PRIO SETTING */
>CCCSIGUR=45, /* MEAN-TIME-TO-WAIT (DEFAULT) */
>CNTCLIST=NO, /* CLIST SINGLE TRANS ?  (DEFAULT) */
>CPENABLE=(0,0),  /* I/O ENABLE(DEFAULT) */
>DVIO=NO, /* DIRECTED VIO ?  */
>ERV=500, /* ENQUEUE RESIDENCE VALUE   (DEFAULT) */
>ESCTSWTC(2)=350, /* EXPANDED STORAGE CRITERIA FOR TSO   */
>ESCTSWWS(2)=350, /* EXPANDED STORAGE CRITERIA FOR TSO   */
>LSCTMTE=(1,15),  /* THINK TIME -- LOGICAL SWAP  */
>RCCCPUT=(105,128),   /* CPU UTILIZATION (FILL 'ER UP GAZ 9/22*/
>RCCUICT=(2,4)/* UIC THRESHOLD (DEFAULT) */
>RMPTTOM=4000 /* DEFAULT IS 1000 REPORTS AS (18432)  */
>

>Comments are most welcome.

Did you try looking at the init & tuning guide at all? Many of these
are obsolete.  

No more expanded storage.  Those parms are obsolete since you've been
running 64-bit (perhaps as early as OS/390 2.10 ).   Certainly gone
with the ability to run 31-bit after z/OS 1.4.  Lose 'em.

LSCTMTE - obsolete (since 1.8) - lose it.

CCCSIGUR - obsolete since goal mode, lose it.
RCCCPUT  - obsolete since goal mode, lose it.

RCCUICT - obsolete (since 1.8),  lose it.
 
RMPTTOM - the only place I use a non-default is my sandbox.  There was
a reason to set it for a while on "fast" boxes (z990 perhaps, z9), but
IBM made some changes.  There have been past discussions on this. 
Search the archives.


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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Kelman, Tom
I would recommend setting the ERV value to something other than 500.
This is the value in service units used to determine how long to swap in
an address space when it is in ENQ contention.  Processor speed has
increased considerably since the 500 was first used as the IBM default.
So 500 SUs isn't a very long period of time.  The following is from "The
z/OS Planned Outage Avoidance Checklist" Redpaper.

"The default ERV value is 500 service units. However, on a 2094-701
there are nearly 30,000 service units per second, meaning that the
default ERV value will result in the work unit being promoted for just
1/600th of a second. Therefore, in order to increase the likelihood of
the work unit releasing the resource within the promotion period, we
recommend increasing the ERV value to a larger value like 10,000."


Tom Kelman
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Commerce Bank of Kansas City
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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
> Behalf Of Donnelly, John P
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:42 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: IEAOPTxx
> 
> Implemented z/OS V1R9 from z/OS V1R7 with IBM default IEAOPT00:
(ERV=500).
> 
> Considering setting IEAOPTxx from z/OS V1R7 system into z/OS V1R9
system:
> 
> INITIMP=0,   /* WLM INITIATOR DISPATCH PRIO SETTING */
> CCCSIGUR=45, /* MEAN-TIME-TO-WAIT (DEFAULT) */
> CNTCLIST=NO, /* CLIST SINGLE TRANS ?  (DEFAULT) */
> CPENABLE=(0,0),  /* I/O ENABLE(DEFAULT) */
> DVIO=NO, /* DIRECTED VIO ?  */
> ERV=500, /* ENQUEUE RESIDENCE VALUE   (DEFAULT) */
> ESCTSWTC(2)=350, /* EXPANDED STORAGE CRITERIA FOR TSO   */
> ESCTSWWS(2)=350, /* EXPANDED STORAGE CRITERIA FOR TSO   */
> LSCTMTE=(1,15),  /* THINK TIME -- LOGICAL SWAP  */
> RCCCPUT=(105,128),   /* CPU UTILIZATION (FILL 'ER UP GAZ
9/22*/
> RCCUICT=(2,4)/* UIC THRESHOLD (DEFAULT) */
> RMPTTOM=4000 /* DEFAULT IS 1000 REPORTS AS (18432)  */
> 
> Comments are most welcome.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
So, what is your question?

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Implemented z/OS V1R9 from z/OS V1R7 with IBM default IEAOPT00: (ERV=500).

Considering setting IEAOPTxx from z/OS V1R7 system into z/OS V1R9 system:

INITIMP=0,   /* WLM INITIATOR DISPATCH PRIO SETTING */
CCCSIGUR=45, /* MEAN-TIME-TO-WAIT (DEFAULT) */
CNTCLIST=NO, /* CLIST SINGLE TRANS ?  (DEFAULT) */
CPENABLE=(0,0),  /* I/O ENABLE(DEFAULT) */
DVIO=NO, /* DIRECTED VIO ?  */
ERV=500, /* ENQUEUE RESIDENCE VALUE   (DEFAULT) */
ESCTSWTC(2)=350, /* EXPANDED STORAGE CRITERIA FOR TSO   */
ESCTSWWS(2)=350, /* EXPANDED STORAGE CRITERIA FOR TSO   */
LSCTMTE=(1,15),  /* THINK TIME -- LOGICAL SWAP  */
RCCCPUT=(105,128),   /* CPU UTILIZATION (FILL 'ER UP GAZ 9/22*/
RCCUICT=(2,4)/* UIC THRESHOLD (DEFAULT) */
RMPTTOM=4000 /* DEFAULT IS 1000 REPORTS AS (18432)  */

Comments are most welcome.



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IEAOPTxx

2009-01-23 Thread Donnelly, John P
Implemented z/OS V1R9 from z/OS V1R7 with IBM default IEAOPT00: (ERV=500).

Considering setting IEAOPTxx from z/OS V1R7 system into z/OS V1R9 system:

INITIMP=0,   /* WLM INITIATOR DISPATCH PRIO SETTING */
CCCSIGUR=45, /* MEAN-TIME-TO-WAIT (DEFAULT) */
CNTCLIST=NO, /* CLIST SINGLE TRANS ?  (DEFAULT) */
CPENABLE=(0,0),  /* I/O ENABLE(DEFAULT) */
DVIO=NO, /* DIRECTED VIO ?  */
ERV=500, /* ENQUEUE RESIDENCE VALUE   (DEFAULT) */
ESCTSWTC(2)=350, /* EXPANDED STORAGE CRITERIA FOR TSO   */
ESCTSWWS(2)=350, /* EXPANDED STORAGE CRITERIA FOR TSO   */
LSCTMTE=(1,15),  /* THINK TIME -- LOGICAL SWAP  */
RCCCPUT=(105,128),   /* CPU UTILIZATION (FILL 'ER UP GAZ 9/22*/
RCCUICT=(2,4)/* UIC THRESHOLD (DEFAULT) */
RMPTTOM=4000 /* DEFAULT IS 1000 REPORTS AS (18432)  */

Comments are most welcome.



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Re: IEAOPTxx options in use

2007-06-18 Thread Joe D'Alessandro
Hello:  Shortly after upgrading to v1.7, but not necessarily connected to that 
migration, one of our busier systems experienced a number of IEE178I 
messages during heavy batch processing. 

We added to IEAOPTxx:  mccafcth=(4000,4500) 
varying the actual numbers (our capacity planning tech made the 
recommendations).  See apar OA12185 for the explanation.  There was no 
outage but the messages alerted the operators.  regards, Joe D'Alessandro

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Re: IEAOPTxx options in use

2007-06-15 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
SHOWzOS 715 display some of the values, but fails for RMPTTOM
because of a change from milliseconds to microseconds in z/OS R7.
This will be fixed on version 716. 

Our IEAOPTxx contains just

RMPTTOM=2000  /*SRM INVOCATION INTERVAL IN MILLISECONDS  */
  /* see APAR OA18452, Circumvention until PTF   */

and this will be obsolete for current releases/maintenance

Roland

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According to the Initialisation and Tuning Reference, from z/OS 
1.3 most IEAOPTxx options are ignored. It also says that if an 
option is found in IEAOPTxx that is no longer used it is just 
ignored. It then lists quite a long list of options that are 
presumably recognised and used. Is there any display or module 
that will show which IEAOPTxx contents have been accepted? 
This question arises because I am working in a z/OS 1.4 system 
that is being prepared for upgrade for z/OS 1.7 first part of 
which is to switch to z/ARCH mode. My inclination is to empty 
IEAOPTxx so that the z/OS 1.4 defaults, whatever they are will 
automatically switch to the 1.4 z/ARCH values, then to the z/OS 
1.7 values. Any comments please?

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Re: IEAOPTxx options in use

2007-06-15 Thread John Eells

Anthony Fletcher wrote:

According to the Initialisation and Tuning Reference, from z/OS 1.3 most
IEAOPTxx options are ignored. It also says that if an option is found in
IEAOPTxx that is no longer used it is just ignored. It then lists quite a
long list of options that are presumably recognised and used.
Is there any display or module that will show which IEAOPTxx contents have
been accepted? 
This question arises because I am working in a z/OS 1.4 system that is being

prepared for upgrade for z/OS 1.7 first part of which is to switch to z/ARCH
mode. My inclination is to empty IEAOPTxx so that the z/OS 1.4 defaults,
whatever they are will automatically switch to the 1.4 z/ARCH values, then
to the z/OS 1.7 values.
Any comments please?



I'm afraid there is no display command that shows which IEAOPTxx 
parameter values are in effect.  (We do know it would be good to 
have one.)


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IEAOPTxx options in use

2007-06-15 Thread Anthony Fletcher
According to the Initialisation and Tuning Reference, from z/OS 1.3 most
IEAOPTxx options are ignored. It also says that if an option is found in
IEAOPTxx that is no longer used it is just ignored. It then lists quite a
long list of options that are presumably recognised and used.
Is there any display or module that will show which IEAOPTxx contents have
been accepted? 
This question arises because I am working in a z/OS 1.4 system that is being
prepared for upgrade for z/OS 1.7 first part of which is to switch to z/ARCH
mode. My inclination is to empty IEAOPTxx so that the z/OS 1.4 defaults,
whatever they are will automatically switch to the 1.4 z/ARCH values, then
to the z/OS 1.7 values.
Any comments please?

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