Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
I worked the mitigation in the aftermath of Hurricane Ike. The 4th largest city in the US was without power. Fuel of any kind was almost impossible to find due to filling stations not having power for the pumps. Some truckers pulling refrigerated trailers of ice for the emergency supply distribution points were frantic about finding fuel, but nearly freaked out when they were offered ordinary ULS Diesel for the reefers. We had assurances from credible sources that the fuel was the same, but the truckers were still very nervous. Adding to the trucker's concern was that their contracts specified that they were responsible for fuel and running out could mean that they might be subject to a penalty or even not get paid at all. First person account. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tony B. Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME Umm, uh, yes I know, uh uh, a friend told me. Yea that's it. A friend told me. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Giorgio Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME Hal Merritt wrote: Old days? Still very much so today here in the US. It is called 'off road' diesel, and, except for the color and tax, it's exactly the same fuel. Or so I'm told. Don't know the price difference but I'd suspect it's substantial. As the penalties for using it for inappropriately. I've heard stories of inspectors going to county fairs and checking the color of the diesel in the fuel tanks of pickup trucks. If you're caught using the off-road diesel, the penalties are rather severe. -- Anthony Giorgio z/OS Software Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.23/2254 - Release Date: 07/23/09 06:02:00 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve [ snip ] Oh, and in the places that I've seen that sell off-road diesel, it costs more than the highway diesel. Still scratching my head on that one (at the time I was operating both types of equipment). In Montana a few years ago, when highway diesel was around $1.09, the farm diesel was $0.62. The farm pumps had warning placards similar to those around a military installation regarding trespassing. :-) Not sure why you'd see a higher price for non-taxed fuel than for the same fuel with taxes added in. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
Anthony Giorgio wrote: Hal Merritt wrote: Old days? Still very much so today here in the US. It is called 'off road' diesel, and, except for the color and tax, it's exactly the same fuel. Or so I'm told. Don't know the price difference but I'd suspect it's substantial. As the penalties for using it for inappropriately. I've heard stories of inspectors going to county fairs and checking the color of the diesel in the fuel tanks of pickup trucks. If you're caught using the off-road diesel, the penalties are rather severe. - From personal observation, I can tell you that those tales are true. 'off road' diesel fuel is intended for construction equipment and farm implements mainly. The tax implications are rather serious, especially here in Illinois, with some of the highest fuel taxes in the US. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
Hal Merritt wrote: Old days? Still very much so today here in the US. It is called 'off road' diesel, and, except for the color and tax, it's exactly the same fuel. Or so I'm told. Don't know the price difference but I'd suspect it's substantial. As the penalties for using it for inappropriately. I've heard stories of inspectors going to county fairs and checking the color of the diesel in the fuel tanks of pickup trucks. If you're caught using the off-road diesel, the penalties are rather severe. -- Anthony Giorgio z/OS Software Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Giorgio Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME Hal Merritt wrote: Old days? Still very much so today here in the US. It is called 'off road' diesel, and, except for the color and tax, it's exactly the same fuel. Or so I'm told. Don't know the price difference but I'd suspect it's substantial. As the penalties for using it for inappropriately. I've heard stories of inspectors going to county fairs and checking the color of the diesel in the fuel tanks of pickup trucks. If you're caught using the off-road diesel, the penalties are rather severe. SNIPPAGE Wanna have some fun? Pour a quart of Dextron II (ATF) in your 50 Gal Diesel tank. In Ohio that's the same color as off-road diesel. The reason I was given for doing such a thing is that ATF will actually clean your injectors. Beats me if that is true, but it seems to burn OK (I didn't do it, I saw someone doing it). Oh, and in the places that I've seen that sell off-road diesel, it costs more than the highway diesel. Still scratching my head on that one (at the time I was operating both types of equipment). Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
Umm, uh, yes I know, uh uh, a friend told me. Yea that's it. A friend told me. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Giorgio Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME Hal Merritt wrote: Old days? Still very much so today here in the US. It is called 'off road' diesel, and, except for the color and tax, it's exactly the same fuel. Or so I'm told. Don't know the price difference but I'd suspect it's substantial. As the penalties for using it for inappropriately. I've heard stories of inspectors going to county fairs and checking the color of the diesel in the fuel tanks of pickup trucks. If you're caught using the off-road diesel, the penalties are rather severe. -- Anthony Giorgio z/OS Software Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.23/2254 - Release Date: 07/23/09 06:02:00 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:18:31 +0900, Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com wrote: You could be criminally liable for certain uses of the car, such as putting a baby or toddler in the car without a certified child safety seat, regardless of where you operate or don't operate the car. [Not talking about IBM and I never give legal advice.] You will want to check your state's motor vehicle and traffic safety laws. In New York state, safety seats are required only if you *operate* the car and is not, as you suggest, limited only to *registered* vehicles. Of course, if the car is not being operated, then all of the other civil and criminal liability laws would still apply. (Think refrigerator with door still attached.) But at the same time, you can't just buy a car and drive it around your own property without a driver's license (in NY). Even farmers have to be licensed to operate tractors. Point: Don't assume. Find out. [Still not talking about IBM and still not giving legal advice.] Alan Altmark Speaking for himself -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
Old days? Still very much so today here in the US. It is called 'off road' diesel, and, except for the color and tax, it's exactly the same fuel. Or so I'm told. Don't know the price difference but I'd suspect it's substantial. As the penalties for using it for inappropriately. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tony B. Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME Back in the old days diesel fuel was sold to farmers, bulk delivered to a home tank, for tractor use only, cheaper and exempt from road use tax. It was color dyed for obvious reasons. Occasionally a pickup truck would be seen in town with a splash of reddish purple around the gas cap. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Denis G äbler Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME I agree, the electrical meter sample with medical plug sounds reasonable, but I unfortunatly I found it after posting my statement. Denis. -Original Message- From: P S zosw...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:10 pm Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Denis Gäbler denisgaeb...@netscape.netwrote: Taking the electric meter example. What if I install solar electicity panels? Am I stealing ressources and bypass the power companies meter? Am I not allowed to use the electricity that the panels produce, just because I have a contract with the power company? Or am I not allowed to replace the old lamps with energy saver lamps, just because I have a contract with the power company? Thats difficult. But I am not a lawyer. Just comparing. No, but that's not a good analogy. The solar panels are more like offloading work to an Intel or AIX box than running it on a processor that you were sold at a reduced price under certain TCs. I like the medical power socket analogy very much! By that definition any attempt to rewrite a CICS transaction to run parts of the work as SRB would be a violation, since that piece of software would likely not be eligable by the definition of IBM?! So with a PC example, do I have to ask Microsoft to write a software that speeds up the Windows bootup process and sell it? Or assuming that a=2 0software tweeks an operating systems control block to e.g. allow to run as zxxP eligable is considered violating some agreement, any software (e.g. delta VT or Omegamon or Mainview) that manipulates control blocks for ease of use or saving an IPL (which burns CPU and ressources) would be also considered unauthorized software, because rather than using documented APIs it changes bits in control? blocks of licensed IBM software and it might over a period of 12 months save you buying one additional CP? The courts will (presumably) look at the result, which is pretty simple: non-eligible work is running on a box that was explicitly sold *at a reduced price* with TsCs defining eligible work. The zPRIME users are plugging their TVs (or more likely their space heaters) into the medical socket. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.16/2241 - Release Date: 07/16/09 05:58:00 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
Nope. Very common practice. When you buy a house, it very often comes with a long list of restrictions on what you can and cannot do. An auto has to be regularly licensed, inspected, and (in some areas) insured. You must be licensed to operate that auto. And on and on and on When you buy an IBM box, you no doubt sign an agreement of some sort that covers the situation. Even if not, then getting the enablement would require the provider to adhere to one or more legally binding instruments. An IBM box is full of trade secrets and proprietary stuff. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME Denis Gdbler wrote: ..snip Yes. I believe it would be difficult nee illegal to tell someone they can't use their own property for any purpose they choose. ..snip NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Hal Merritt wrote: Nope. Very common practice. When you buy a house, it very often comes with a long list of restrictions on what you can and cannot do. These usually relate to what you do to them on the *outside* because it has effect on the neighbourhood.. An auto has to be regularly licensed, inspected, and (in some areas) insured. You must be licensed to operate that auto. I'm pretty sure I can buy a car, *never* license it, never have it inspected and *never* insured .. As long as I don't drive on the road ! And on and on and on When you buy an IBM box, you no doubt sign an agreement of some sort that covers the situation. Even if not, then getting the enablement would require the provider to adhere to one or more legally binding instruments. My point is, the analogies were all relating to how you use your property to interact with the outside world... not what you are intrinsically doing with it in the confines of your own premises. Of course, if you buy a z10 and use it to *spam* the whole world, then you may be liable because you did something illegal with it. If I buy a car that is rated as xxHP, disassemble it, reverse engineer it, boost it beyond its original specifications but *never* drive it on a public road (and eventually don't try to use my warranty because it's broken[1]), I'm not 100% sure how the law would apply. Of course, in this case, we are talking *hardware* that has been bought.. Now.. if we are talking about rent.. software or hardware - this might be completely different ! And in the same vein, when we're talking about hardware like a z10 - it also comes with some LIC.. which may have other *licensing* restrictions - since you're not *buying* it - but have been granted a (possibly revocable) privilege to use it in conjunction with said hardware .. and this last statement probably threw my whole prior argumentation down the drain ! But then again.. IANAL ! --Ivan [1] And the analogy here would be IBM support ;) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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If I buy a car that is rated as xxHP, disassemble it, reverse engineer it, boost it beyond its original specifications but *never* drive it on a public road (and eventually don't try to use my warranty because it's broken[1]), I'm not 100% sure how the law would apply. Assuming the United States, how about the Clean Air Act, as just one example. My understanding is that the Clean Air Act makes it illegal for anyone to tamper with vehicle emission controls. As another example, many localities levy property taxes on vehicles, and in some jurisdictions that tax may be owed regardless of the vehicle's status. (It's a property tax, a type of wealth tax.) As yet another example, many localities have noise regulations. If you take the muffler off and fire up the engine, you could be instantly violating such regulations. You could be criminally liable for certain uses of the car, such as putting a baby or toddler in the car without a certified child safety seat, regardless of where you operate or don't operate the car. (You could even lose custody of the children.) You cannot leave pets in the car, especially with the windows closed -- that violates anti-cruelty laws. By law you cannot store certain things in cars (on or off road) in certain jurisdictions. Examples might include alcohol (especially if an open container), fireworks, firearms, explosives, hazardous materials, etc. You may have problems with garbage disposal laws if the car is considered trash after you're done with it, and if you have not properly disposed of it -- or the parts and fluids that come off it. You have potential civil and criminal liabilities if the car rolls into a schoolbus and forces it to tumble into a canyon And so on, and so on. Speaking only for myself (and only about cars). - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan / Asia-Pacific E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
Richard Peurifoy wrote: IBM probably doesn't care if a vendor runs their own code on zXXP's, that won't affect IBM's software charging, though it may sell more zXXP engines, and less CP engines. But they and other vendors probably do care if someone runs code they had not intended to run on a zXXP. This would affect software revenue. IBM software pricing terms are careful to use the term eligible workloads. This deliberate use of the language suggests that their pricing terms might *not* apply to zIIPs and zAAPs running anything other than IBM-specified eligible workloads. Time will tell... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
Thats true, but recent lawsuits in the distributed area had no luck forcing users to run only specific work on bought (owned) hardware, e.g. you can do number crunching on graphic chips, which were initially only intended for graphics work. It would be interesting to see, if there is any way to force somebody to only use certified software on specific owned hardware? Another example that comes into mind is the uncertified use of OpenWRT on any router (DSL/Wireless) in the world. Linksys/Cisco has no way of preventing me from running this linux distribution on my own bought or rented router and make use of whatever the chips on the hardware may provide. But, time will tell. Denis. -Original Message- From: Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:25 am Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME IBM software pricing terms are careful to use the term eligible workloads. This deliberate use of the language suggests that their pricing terms might *not* apply to zIIPs and zAAPs running anything other than IBM-specified eligible workloads. Time will tell...? ? -- Edward E Jaffe? Phoenix Software International, Inc? 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800? Los Angeles, CA 90045? 310-338-0400 x318? edja...@phoenixsoftware.com? http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/? ? --? For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,? send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO? Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:42:58 -0400, Denis Gäbler denisgaeb...@netscape.net wrote: Thats true, but recent lawsuits in the distributed area had no luck forcing users to run only specific work on bought (owned) hardware, e.g. you can do number crunching on graphic chips, which were initially only intended for graphics work. It would be interesting to see, if there is any way to force somebody to only use certified software on specific owned hardware? Another example that comes into mind is the uncertified use of OpenWRT on any router (DSL/Wireless) in the world. Linksys/Cisco has no way of preventing me from running this linux distribution on my own bought or rented router and make use of whatever the chips on the hardware may provide. From: Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:25 am Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME IBM software pricing terms are careful to use the term eligible workloads. This deliberate use of the language suggests that their pricing terms might *not* apply to zIIPs and zAAPs running anything other than IBM-specified eligible workloads. Time will tell...? ? Agree partly I also am running openWRT or Tomato on my Cisco/Linksys WRT54GS at home and yes i do not see how I can be stopped. This is my machine . But we are speaking of running IBM licensed software on something else than General purpose engines. Obviously IBM has managed to legally stop people from running z/OS on Intel platfrom and the like, so I guess they could do something similar on zIIP or zAAP What would be nice would be to have the official definition of : eligible workload But I am sur we will have to wait for sometimes :-)) As for the ethical part of the business that was referred to on another post by Bob, I firmly believe that either we are speaking business or we are speaking ethics and in this case ethics should go both ways. After all, customer are charged for software on LPAR where it is not used ( RACF, RMM , CTG are some examples) So it is a bit weird that customers should be prevented to defend their own interest and try to use fully their owned hardware. Not a simple story and as everyone said, we shall see Bruno Sugliani zxnetconsult(at)free(dot)fr http://zxnetconsult.free.fr -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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After all, customer are charged for software on LPAR where it is not used ( RACF, RMM , CTG are some examples) So it is a bit weird that customers should be prevented to defend their own interest and try to use fully their owned hardware. No, you're not. You're charged for the capacity of the box, and more importantly someone in your company agreed to it. IBM has a variety of pricing options and anyone who wants a better deal should speak to their account representative. A complete set of PUs, 10, 12, 16 or whatever the current number is, is shipped with the processor. If you pay for one should be able to hot-wire the others so that you can use them? Specialty engines were sold to run eligible work. From IBM's standpoint eligible work is a subset of all the work on the machine. If you decide to expand the definition of eligible work without IBM's agreement, in my opinion you are staling resources. This is no different than bypassing the electric meter in your house. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME snip This is no different than bypassing the electric meter in your house. Bob Shannon I'd say that it is more like having two different electrical boxes. One is for general use, and the other only for critical medical use, which is charged at a reduced rate. Then plugging your TV into a socket on the medical use circuit. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:48:09 -0400, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: IBM provides an API to vendors to allow preemptible SRBs to be routed to zIIPs For reference, http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27 Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Taking the electric meter example. What if I install solar electicity panels? Am I stealing ressources and bypass the power companies meter? Am I not allowed to use the electricity that the panels produce, just because I have a contract with the power company? Or am I not allowed to replace the old lamps with energy saver lamps, just because I have a contract with the power company? Thats difficult. But I am not a lawyer. Just comparing. By that definition any attempt to rewrite a CICS transaction to run parts of the work as SRB would be a violation, since that piece of software would likely not be eligable by the definition of IBM?! So with a PC example, do I have to ask Microsoft to write a software that speeds up the Windows bootup process and sell it? Or assuming that a software tweeks an operating systems control block to e.g. allow to run as zxxP eligable is considered violating some agreement, any software (e.g. delta VT or Omegamon or Mainview) that manipulates control blocks for ease of use or saving an IPL (which burns CPU and ressources) would be also considered unauthorized software, because rather than using documented APIs it changes bits in control? blocks of licensed IBM software and it might over a period of 12 months save you buying one additional CP? Denis. -Original Message- From: Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:26 pm Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME After all, customer are charged for software on LPAR where it is not used ( RACF, RMM , CTG are some examples) So it is a bit weird that customers should be prevented to defend their own interest and try to use fully their owned hardware. No, you're not. You're charged for the capacity of the box, and more importantly someone in your company agreed to it. IBM has a variety of pricing options and anyone who wants a better deal should speak to their account representative. A complete set of PUs, 10, 12, 16 or whatever the current number is, is shipped with the processor. If you pay for one should be able to hot-wire the others so that you can use them? Specialty engines were sold to run eligible work. From IBM's standpoint eligible work is a subset of all the work on the machine. If you decide to expand the definition of eligible work without IBM's agreement, in my opinion you are staling resources. This is no different than bypassing the electric meter in your house. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 07:48 -0500, Alan Altmark wrote: For reference, http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27 Thanks for the attempt Alan, but I wonder how many of the unwashed masses have access to that page. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 7/17/2009 8:01:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ibm-m...@tpg.com.au writes: http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27 Thanks for the attempt Alan, but I wonder how many of the unwashed masses have access to that page. Haven't bathed today, but it popped right up. --- quote --- A document and additional information that describes the software interfaces that can be used by a program, to request that z/OS cause SRBs in an Enclave to be executed in part on zIIPs, is now available subject to certain terms and conditions. Please note, the interfaces for creating and classifying Enclaves and scheduling SRBs for execution are already available in existing z/OS product documentation. This supplemental material provides information to direct the SRBs in the Enclave to execute in part on zIIPs. In order to receive this document and additional information, you must meet certain requirements which include the execution of a licensing agreement with IBM. If you wish to find out more about the requirements associated with this document and additional information, please send an email to zi...@us.ibm.com _zi...@us.ibm.com _ (mailto:cics...@us.ibm.com) with your company name, your name, your business phone number and your business email address along with the subject zIIP Document --- end quote --- **Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove0001) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Denis Gäbler denisgaeb...@netscape.netwrote: Taking the electric meter example. What if I install solar electicity panels? Am I stealing ressources and bypass the power companies meter? Am I not allowed to use the electricity that the panels produce, just because I have a contract with the power company? Or am I not allowed to replace the old lamps with energy saver lamps, just because I have a contract with the power company? Thats difficult. But I am not a lawyer. Just comparing. No, but that's not a good analogy. The solar panels are more like offloading work to an Intel or AIX box than running it on a processor that you were sold at a reduced price under certain TCs. I like the medical power socket analogy very much! By that definition any attempt to rewrite a CICS transaction to run parts of the work as SRB would be a violation, since that piece of software would likely not be eligable by the definition of IBM?! So with a PC example, do I have to ask Microsoft to write a software that speeds up the Windows bootup process and sell it? Or assuming that a software tweeks an operating systems control block to e.g. allow to run as zxxP eligable is considered violating some agreement, any software (e.g. delta VT or Omegamon or Mainview) that manipulates control blocks for ease of use or saving an IPL (which burns CPU and ressources) would be also considered unauthorized software, because rather than using documented APIs it changes bits in control? blocks of licensed IBM software and it might over a period of 12 months save you buying one additional CP? The courts will (presumably) look at the result, which is pretty simple: non-eligible work is running on a box that was explicitly sold *at a reduced price* with TsCs defining eligible work. The zPRIME users are plugging their TVs (or more likely their space heaters) into the medical socket. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I agree, the electrical meter sample with medical plug sounds reasonable, but I unfortunatly I found it after posting my statement. Denis. -Original Message- From: P S zosw...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:10 pm Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Denis Gäbler denisgaeb...@netscape.netwrote: Taking the electric meter example. What if I install solar electicity panels? Am I stealing ressources and bypass the power companies meter? Am I not allowed to use the electricity that the panels produce, just because I have a contract with the power company? Or am I not allowed to replace the old lamps with energy saver lamps, just because I have a contract with the power company? Thats difficult. But I am not a lawyer. Just comparing. No, but that's not a good analogy. The solar panels are more like offloading work to an Intel or AIX box than running it on a processor that you were sold at a reduced price under certain TCs. I like the medical power socket analogy very much! By that definition any attempt to rewrite a CICS transaction to run parts of the work as SRB would be a violation, since that piece of software would likely not be eligable by the definition of IBM?! So with a PC example, do I have to ask Microsoft to write a software that speeds up the Windows bootup process and sell it? Or assuming that a=2 0software tweeks an operating systems control block to e.g. allow to run as zxxP eligable is considered violating some agreement, any software (e.g. delta VT or Omegamon or Mainview) that manipulates control blocks for ease of use or saving an IPL (which burns CPU and ressources) would be also considered unauthorized software, because rather than using documented APIs it changes bits in control? blocks of licensed IBM software and it might over a period of 12 months save you buying one additional CP? The courts will (presumably) look at the result, which is pretty simple: non-eligible work is running on a box that was explicitly sold *at a reduced price* with TsCs defining eligible work. The zPRIME users are plugging their TVs (or more likely their space heaters) into the medical socket. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Friday 17 July 2009, Alan Altmark wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:48:09 -0400, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: IBM provides an API to vendors to allow preemptible SRBs to be routed to zIIPs For reference, http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27 This link appears borken. :-( -- Bob Woodside Woodsway Consulting, Inc. http://www.woodsway.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Bob Woodside ibm...@woodsway.com wrote in message news:200907170929.54776.ibm...@woodsway.com... On Friday 17 July 2009, Alan Altmark wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:48:09 -0400, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: IBM provides an API to vendors to allow preemptible SRBs to be routed to zIIPs For reference, http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27 This link appears borken. :-( -- Strange, it is working here. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Back in the old days diesel fuel was sold to farmers, bulk delivered to a home tank, for tractor use only, cheaper and exempt from road use tax. It was color dyed for obvious reasons. Occasionally a pickup truck would be seen in town with a splash of reddish purple around the gas cap. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Denis G äbler Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME I agree, the electrical meter sample with medical plug sounds reasonable, but I unfortunatly I found it after posting my statement. Denis. -Original Message- From: P S zosw...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:10 pm Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Denis Gäbler denisgaeb...@netscape.netwrote: Taking the electric meter example. What if I install solar electicity panels? Am I stealing ressources and bypass the power companies meter? Am I not allowed to use the electricity that the panels produce, just because I have a contract with the power company? Or am I not allowed to replace the old lamps with energy saver lamps, just because I have a contract with the power company? Thats difficult. But I am not a lawyer. Just comparing. No, but that's not a good analogy. The solar panels are more like offloading work to an Intel or AIX box than running it on a processor that you were sold at a reduced price under certain TCs. I like the medical power socket analogy very much! By that definition any attempt to rewrite a CICS transaction to run parts of the work as SRB would be a violation, since that piece of software would likely not be eligable by the definition of IBM?! So with a PC example, do I have to ask Microsoft to write a software that speeds up the Windows bootup process and sell it? Or assuming that a=2 0software tweeks an operating systems control block to e.g. allow to run as zxxP eligable is considered violating some agreement, any software (e.g. delta VT or Omegamon or Mainview) that manipulates control blocks for ease of use or saving an IPL (which burns CPU and ressources) would be also considered unauthorized software, because rather than using documented APIs it changes bits in control? blocks of licensed IBM software and it might over a period of 12 months save you buying one additional CP? The courts will (presumably) look at the result, which is pretty simple: non-eligible work is running on a box that was explicitly sold *at a reduced price* with TsCs defining eligible work. The zPRIME users are plugging their TVs (or more likely their space heaters) into the medical socket. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.16/2241 - Release Date: 07/16/09 05:58:00 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of P S Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Denis Gäbler denisgaeb...@netscape.netwrote: snip I like the medical power socket analogy very much! And to enhance it a bit. The power via the medical socket is not standard 120VAC 60Hz (US) either. It is slightly different and the medical equipment is designed to run on the, say 162VAC 87Hz, power. But a company has now developed a bridge socket which takes in the 162VAC 87Hz power and gives out 120VAC 60Hz. That's sort of what zPrime is doing. Kinda. Would such a device be legal? It's only use is to bypass a company power restriction which was given to the consumer for a specific use (TC) and making it run other devices. Just my feelings on the matter. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets® 9151 Boulevard 26 . N. Richland Hills . TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone . (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com . www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets® is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company®, Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I think that we can provide many other analogies, but no of them is really applicable. Last, but not least: I'm pretty sure, that zPRIME creators thoroughly checked legal issues at the early stage of the project. Maybe their conclusion is disputable, but it's not as obvious as regular software piracy. BTW: In the times of 9672's I was offerred to enable more CPs *without* IBM's permission. Obviously I refused, but I would be very interested in watching court trial in such case. Especially outside of U.S. As far as I read our Intelectual Property Code from 1994 it would be hard to find what's wrong... My $0.02 -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 7/17/2009 8:35:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, tbabo...@comcast.net writes: was color dyed for obvious reasons. Occasionally a pickup truck would be seen in town with a splash of reddish purple around the gas cap. My grandad was having problems with borrowers of gasoline from his combat engineers motor pool. Had my dad drain all the 'deuce and a halfs' but one and poured in an ounce of nitro glycerin from the blasting supplies. Noonish big whoomp at the gate and they had their guy! **Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove0001) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I have often wondered about the legality of turning other engines on on an owned machine. They were delivered as part of what was bought, should they be ours to do with as we please? We use 3rd party maintenance on or processor (government competitive bid). When IBM offered an IFL to use for a z/VM and z/Linux proof of concept project, IBM sent people to turn on and off the IFL - i.e. IBM installed the enabling microcode, they would not deliver it to the 3rd party. The SCRT report also included information about the IFL and we were called and questioned why it was on and not paid for. Dennis Roach GHG Corporation Lockheed Martin Mission Services Facilities Design and Operations Contract NASA/JSC Address: 2100 Space Park Drive LM-15-4BH Houston, Texas 77058 Mail: P.O. Box 58487 Mail Code H4C Houston, Texas 77258 Phone: Voice: (281)336-5027 Cell: (713)591-1059 Fax:(281)336-5410 E-Mail: dennis.ro...@lmco.com All opinions expressed by me are mine and may not agree with my employer or any person, company, or thing, living or dead, on or near this or any other planet, moon, asteroid, or other spatial object, natural or manufactured, since the beginning of time. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME After all, customer are charged for software on LPAR where it is not used ( RACF, RMM , CTG are some examples) So it is a bit weird that customers should be prevented to defend their own interest and try to use fully their owned hardware. No, you're not. You're charged for the capacity of the box, and more importantly someone in your company agreed to it. IBM has a variety of pricing options and anyone who wants a better deal should speak to their account representative. A complete set of PUs, 10, 12, 16 or whatever the current number is, is shipped with the processor. If you pay for one should be able to hot- wire the others so that you can use them? Specialty engines were sold to run eligible work. From IBM's standpoint eligible work is a subset of all the work on the machine. If you decide to expand the definition of eligible work without IBM's agreement, in my opinion you are staling resources. This is no different than bypassing the electric meter in your house. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony B. Back in the old days diesel fuel was sold to farmers, bulk delivered to a home tank, for tractor use only, cheaper and exempt from road use tax. It was color dyed for obvious reasons. Occasionally a pickup truck would be seen in town with a splash of reddish purple around the gas cap. Well, since we're this far astray already Automatic transmission fluid is alleged to be an excellent additive to Diesel fuel for keeping injectors clean, valves lubricated, etc. Unfortunately, the dye used in the tax-exempt fuel is the same color as automatic transmission fluid (I wonder if that was intentional?). -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Did anyone get chance to listen to these folks for their webinar on July 15 ? Is there anything interesting ? JAcky -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Denis Gdbler wrote: Thats true, but recent lawsuits in the distributed area had no luck forcing users to run only specific work on bought (owned) hardware, e.g. you can do number crunching on graphic chips, which were initially only intended for graphics work. It would be interesting to see, if there is any way to force somebody to only use certified software on specific owned hardware? Another example that comes into mind is the uncertified use of OpenWRT on any router (DSL/Wireless) in the world. Linksys/Cisco has no way of preventing me from running this linux distribution on my own bought or rented router and make use of whatever the chips on the hardware may provide. Yes. I believe it would be difficult nee illegal to tell someone they can't use their own property for any purpose they choose. Taking that to the next logical step, you could say that if a customer accidentally discovered (e.g., public domain) enabling code that would let them run arbitrary programs on a zAAP engine they own (not lease), they should be allowed to do so. But, running programs and paying license fees for IBM software are two entirely different things. Most z/OS customers are essentially renting IBM software, paying month-to-month. Those customers accepted certain pricing terms regarding IBM-specified eligible workloads. IBM might not be able to legally prevent customers that own zAAPs from running arbitrary work on them. But, nothing says they are obligated to discount those ineligible MIPS when calculating the customer's monthly bill for z/OS and related software. In fact, without instrumentation to distinguish the eligible from ineligible zAAP (or zIIP) execution, IBM could be within their rights to consider it all ineligible. Imagine that... Your bill actually goes UP. Yikes! -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:19:57 -0600, Roach, Dennis (N-GHG) wrote: I have often wondered about the legality of turning other engines on on an owned machine. They were delivered as part of what was bought, should they be ours to do with as we please? Sure feels that way. But it might void the warranty or IBM's maintenance contract. We use 3rd party maintenance on or processor (government competitive bid). When IBM offered an IFL to use for a z/VM and z/Linux proof of concept project, IBM sent people to turn on and off the IFL - i.e. IBM installed the enabling microcode, they would not deliver it to the 3rd party. And that enabling microcode is likely licensed, not sold. Now, if a third party vendor (zPrime?) could develop enabling microcode without infringing IBM's IP ... I think I can guess how Microsoft feels about Windows customers' using OpenOffice.org rather than MS Office. Apparently they can't prevent it. OTOH, Apple lately released iTunes 8.2.1, for which the release notes state, iTunes 8.2.1 provides a number of important bug fixes and addresses an issue with verification of Apple devices. I.e. it now blocks synching with Palm Pre. But there are already third party workarounds. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:26:17 -0400, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: A complete set of PUs, 10, 12, 16 or whatever the current number is, is shipped with the processor. If you pay for one should be able to hot-wire the others so that you can use them? Specialty engines were sold to run eligible work. From IBM's standpoint eligible work is a subset of all the work on the machine. If you decide to expand the definition of eligible work without IBM's agreement, in my opinion you are staling resources. This is no different than bypassing the electric meter in your house. Trying to enable 10;12 or 16 pu's that I did not pay for would definitely be illegal even if they were shipped. But I never implied such thing. zIIP and zAAP are a different matter , they are purchased and belong to the customer. IBM will provide it free of charge shall the customer order a new machine. Expanding the definition or eligible work was not my intention either. I was just merely trying to find the definition . I did not find one . ( i am not an ISV , just a customer) . Could someone point me to a url ? TIA Bruno Sugliani zxnetconsult(at)free(dot)fr http://zxnetconsult.free.fr -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Friday 17 July 2009, Ed Finnell wrote: In a message dated 7/17/2009 8:01:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ibm-m...@tpg.com.au writes: http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27 Thanks for the attempt Alan, but I wonder how many of the unwashed masses have access to that page. Haven't bathed today, but it popped right up. I've showered, but I still had to copy/paste the url into my browser to get it to work. My mail client (KMail) didn't feed the full string to the browser (Konqueror) when I just clicked on it. I do have to opine that it's a pretty lame sort of url. Cheers, Bob -- Bob Woodside Woodsway Consulting, Inc. http://www.woodsway.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 17 Jul 2009 06:30:15 -0700, ibm...@woodsway.com (Bob Woodside) wrote: For reference, http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27 This link appears borken. :-( That may be an issue with your news reader or e-mail client. I follow this mailing list via the newsgroup, using Forte Agent. Agent considers the end of the link to be the text .HTML. However, in fact, the complete URL *includes* the trailing characters (INDEX)%27. You may need to copy the complete link from the message and paste into your browser, rather than just trying to click on the link. Eric -- Eric Chevalier E-mail: et...@tulsagrammer.com Web: www.tulsagrammer.com Is that call really worth your child's life? HANG UP AND DRIVE! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Eric Chevalier wrote: On 17 Jul 2009 06:30:15 -0700, ibm...@woodsway.com (Bob Woodside) wrote: For reference, http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27 This link appears borken. :-( borken? If I click on the link in Thunderbird, it switches to my Firefox browser with this in the URI bar: http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%20HTTPD2.PT217.HTML%20INDEX%20%20#7792310775959509782 which results in 404 Page not found!! That may be an issue with your news reader or e-mail client. I follow this mailing list via the newsgroup, using Forte Agent. Agent considers the end of the link to be the text .HTML. However, in fact, the complete URL *includes* the trailing characters (INDEX)%27. You may need to copy the complete link from the message and paste into your browser, rather than just trying to click on the link. Eric -- Eric Chevalier E-mail: et...@tulsagrammer.com Web: www.tulsagrammer.com Is that call really worth your child's life? HANG UP AND DRIVE! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques == Ask about being added to our opt-in list: == == * Early announcement of new courses == == * Early announcement of new techincal papers == == * Early announcement of new promotions == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Steve Comstock wrote: borken? If I click on the link in Thunderbird, it switches to my Firefox browser with this in the URI bar: http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%20HTTPD2.PT217.HTML%20INDEX%20%20#7792310775959509782 which results in 404 Page not found!! Are you running old releases? When I click on the link in Thunderbird 2.0.0.22, it brings up Firefox 3.0.11 within which the referenced page displays perfectly. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
System z Integrated Information Processor IBM System z Integrated Information Processor (zIIP) and ISVs IBM System z has introduced a special type of processor called a System z Integrated Information Processor (zIIP). z/OS is capable of causing certain types of work to execute in part on zIIPs. The type of work that z/OS can redirect to zIIPs can be characterized as Service Request Blocks (SRBs) which have been joined to an Enclave. A document and additional information that describes the software interfaces that can be used by a program, to request that z/OS cause SRBs in an Enclave to be executed in part on zIIPs, is now available subject to certain terms and conditions. Please note, the interfaces for creating and classifying Enclaves and scheduling SRBs for execution are already available in existing z/OS product documentation. This supplemental material provides information to direct the SRBs in the Enclave to execute in part on zIIPs. In order to receive this document and additional information, you must meet certain requirements which include the execution of a licensing agreement with IBM. If you wish to find out more about the requirements associated with this document and additional information, please send an email to zi...@us.ibm.com zi...@us.ibm.com with your company name, your name, your business phone number and your business email address along with the subject zIIP Document If you choose to send such an email, the personal information you supply will only be used to contact you about the zIIP Document. By sending the email you agree that IBM may use your data in the manner described above. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:48:09 -0400, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: IBM provides an API to vendors to allow preemptible SRBs to be routed to zIIPs For reference, http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27 Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME Eric Chevalier wrote: On 17 Jul 2009 06:30:15 -0700, ibm...@woodsway.com (Bob Woodside) wrote: For reference, http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27 This link appears borken. :-( borken? If I click on the link in Thunderbird, it switches to my Firefox browser with this in the URI bar: http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%20HTTPD2.PT217.HTML%20INDEX%20%20#779 2310775959509782 which results in 404 Page not found!! Hi Steve, I followed the advice of a previous post - Copy / Paste of the URL. Worked fine. BobL -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
Edward Jaffe wrote: Steve Comstock wrote: borken? If I click on the link in Thunderbird, it switches to my Firefox browser with this in the URI bar: http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%20HTTPD2.PT217.HTML%20INDEX%20%20#7792310775959509782 which results in 404 Page not found!! Are you running old releases? When I click on the link in Thunderbird 2.0.0.22, it brings up Firefox 3.0.11 within which the referenced page displays perfectly. I'm using exactly those releases! -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques == Ask about being added to our opt-in list: == == * Early announcement of new courses == == * Early announcement of new techincal papers == == * Early announcement of new promotions == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
On Friday 17 July 2009, Steve Comstock wrote: Eric Chevalier wrote: On 17 Jul 2009 06:30:15 -0700, ibm...@woodsway.com (Bob Woodside) wrote: For reference, http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27 This link appears borken. :-( borken? borken : adj : Standard Internet slang for broken; formed as an intentional tupo (or tyop). cf. the following entries in the Jargon File.: http://catb.org/jargon/html/B/borken.html http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/tyop.html If I click on the link in Thunderbird, it switches to my Firefox browser with this in the URI bar: http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%20HTTPD2.PT217.HTML%20INDEX%20%20#7792 310775959509782 which results in 404 Page not found!! Yup, 404 is the result I got, only mine was just truncated exactly like Eric's quoted below till I did the cut 'n paste thing. T-bird's transmogrification is a bit creative! (The pair of %27 characters are apostrophes or single quotes, by the way.) That may be an issue with your news reader or e-mail client. I follow this mailing list via the newsgroup, using Forte Agent. Agent considers the end of the link to be the text .HTML. However, in fact, the complete URL *includes* the trailing characters (INDEX)%27. You may need to copy the complete link from the message and paste into your browser, rather than just trying to click on the link. I think that the number of different behaviors respondents have reported among various mail clients/newsreaders reinforces my opinion that this sort of url is truly lame. And it also strengthens my long-standing suspicion that most web developers must not really be web *users*. Cheers, Bob -- Bob Woodside Woodsway Consulting, Inc. http://www.woodsway.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
Lester, Bob wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME Eric Chevalier wrote: On 17 Jul 2009 06:30:15 -0700, ibm...@woodsway.com (Bob Woodside) wrote: For reference, http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%27HTTPD2.PT217.HTML(INDEX)%27 This link appears borken. :-( borken? If I click on the link in Thunderbird, it switches to my Firefox browser with this in the URI bar: http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/%20HTTPD2.PT217.HTML%20INDEX%20%20#779 2310775959509782 which results in 404 Page not found!! Hi Steve, I followed the advice of a previous post - Copy / Paste of the URL. Worked fine. BobL I had trouble with cut / paste because the email client kept wanting to jump to the link; I ended up grabbing more than the link, pasting in the URL bar, and deleting the extra characters; same result. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques == Ask about being added to our opt-in list: == == * Early announcement of new courses == == * Early announcement of new techincal papers == == * Early announcement of new promotions == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:44:40 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote: I'm using exactly those releases! With or without the NoScript plugin? (I get the broken link when NoScript is active/enabled). Norbert Friemel -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
Norbert Friemel wrote: On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:44:40 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote: I'm using exactly those releases! With or without the NoScript plugin? (I get the broken link when NoScript is active/enabled). Norbert Friemel Bingo! That's it. Thanks. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques == Ask about being added to our opt-in list: == == * Early announcement of new courses == == * Early announcement of new techincal papers == == * Early announcement of new promotions == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
I have a concern about the zPRIME product. If the zXXP engines are for SRB (pre-emptible) work, then my understanding is that the SRB cannot have any SVCs save for OPEN. So I am wondering how the process could work when normal TCB work would have SVCs it executes. Is there a way to determine that this UOW has no SVC so therefore I can make it look like an SRB and have it move the zXXP engine? Or can I blindly move a UOW to the zXXP engine and if it has an SVC - fail, and then the system would dispatch back to the CP? Am I missing something here? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
If the zXXP engines are for SRB (pre-emptible) work, then my understanding is
that the SRB cannot have any SVCs save for OPEN.
So I am wondering how the process could work when normal TCB work would have
SVCs it executes
I think you are confusing SRB's with SRB's. (8-{]}
The SRBs that are elligible for z**P processing existed long before the
specialty processors did.
They are called Enclave SRB's, and are pre-emptible, whereas normal SRB's are
not.
So, all the z**P processing does is now move the work off of GP's. The rules,
other than where they run, have not changed.
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Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
Am I missing something here? IBM provides an API to vendors to allow preemptible SRBs to be routed to zIIPs, but remember that a zIIP is really the same as a CP. It is capable of running any work. It is entirely possible to hook MVS in a manner that will make a zIIP eligible to run any work. Whether it's legal to do that is a matter for the courts. Whether it is ethical for a vendor to do that should be obvious. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME I have a concern about the zPRIME product. If the zXXP engines are for SRB (pre-emptible) work, then my understanding is that the SRB cannot have any SVCs save for OPEN. So I am wondering how the process could work when normal TCB work would have SVCs it executes. Is there a way to determine that this UOW has no SVC so therefore I can make it look like an SRB and have it move the zXXP engine? Or can I blindly move a UOW to the zXXP engine and if it has an SVC - fail, and then the system would dispatch back to the CP? Am I missing something here? Lizette zAAP engines are for Java work. Java runs under a TCB, not an SRB. I don't know much of anything about what the actual engine differences are. I know that a general CP is a superset of a zIIP and a zAAP. But what are the actual microcode differences? Perhaps the SVC FLIH or SLIH has a hook which causes the work to be redispatched on a CP when an SVC is done. But, then, what about a PC instruction which invokes a supervisor service? There just is not enough public documentation to know. That is another reason why I would not bet on zPRIME. I don't doubt is works right now. But a little tweaking by IBM, and POOF it doesn't (maybe). -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
Don't forget that zPrime will make work dispatchable on a zIIP OR zAAP. I rather doubt that they are turning your application into an enclave SRB or JAVA. One thing from the presentation was that SAS work was not compatible. They threw out some numbers that 44% of CICS work and 84% of batch work could be moved. Whether that means that 84% of batch jobs/steps or 84% of the work in one job/step is unclear. They claim that there is no way of predicting what will work and what won't. I bet that they could tell you what can and can't be moved but that would give too much insight into their proprietary system. -Original Message- Lizette Koehler I have a concern about the zPRIME product. If the zXXP engines are for SRB (pre-emptible) work, then my understanding is that the SRB cannot have any SVCs save for OPEN. So I am wondering how the process could work when normal TCB work would have SVCs it executes. Is there a way to determine that this UOW has no SVC so therefore I can make it look like an SRB and have it move the zXXP engine? Or can I blindly move a UOW to the zXXP engine and if it has an SVC - fail, and then the system would dispatch back to the CP? Am I missing something here? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
IBM provides an API to vendors to allow preemptible SRBs to be routed to zIIPs, but remember that a zIIP is really the same as a CP. It is capable of running any work. It is entirely possible to hook MVS in a manner that will make a zIIP eligible to run any work. Whether it's legal to do that is a matter for the courts. Whether it is ethical for a vendor to do that should be obvious. Which means of course that all vendors have thought about how it all hangs together, and how it might be used sans API. See Brians post from a few days back. If they hadn't actually gone to the extent of cutting code, I bet they have rectified that since the zPrime balloon went up. As customers, just ask IBM (formally) what their stance is. No doubt you will be reminded of your license obligations. One assumes NEON is standing behind a phalanx of lawyers. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
Shane wrote: IBM provides an API to vendors to allow preemptible SRBs to be routed to zIIPs, but remember that a zIIP is really the same as a CP. It is capable of running any work. It is entirely possible to hook MVS in a manner that will make a zIIP eligible to run any work. Whether it's legal to do that is a matter for the courts. Whether it is ethical for a vendor to do that should be obvious. Which means of course that all vendors have thought about how it all hangs together, and how it might be used sans API. See Brians post from a few days back. If they hadn't actually gone to the extent of cutting code, I bet they have rectified that since the zPrime balloon went up. IBM probably doesn't care if a vendor runs their own code on zXXP's, that won't affect IBM's software charging, though it may sell more zXXP engines, and less CP engines. But they and other vendors probably do care if someone runs code they had not intended to run on a zXXP. This would affect software revenue. Ultimately, I wish they would just fix software cost so we could afford it with out all these specialty engines. This just causes extra code and development time to support them. It also makes it harder to balance the system loads. If you don't have the right mix of workload types, you have engines sitting idle. -- Richard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
Richard Peurifoy wrote: Shane wrote: IBM provides an API to vendors to allow preemptible SRBs to be routed to zIIPs, but remember that a zIIP is really the same as a CP. It is capable of running any work. It is entirely possible to hook MVS in a manner that will make a zIIP eligible to run any work. Whether it's legal to do that is a matter for the courts. Whether it is ethical for a vendor to do that should be obvious. Which means of course that all vendors have thought about how it all hangs together, and how it might be used sans API. See Brians post from a few days back. If they hadn't actually gone to the extent of cutting code, I bet they have rectified that since the zPrime balloon went up. IBM probably doesn't care if a vendor runs their own code on zXXP's, that won't affect IBM's software charging, though it may sell more zXXP engines, and less CP engines. But they and other vendors probably do care if someone runs code they had not intended to run on a zXXP. This would affect software revenue. Ultimately, I wish they would just fix software cost so we could afford it with out all these specialty engines. This just causes extra code and development time to support them. It also makes it harder to balance the system loads. If you don't have the right mix of workload types, you have engines sitting idle. I meant to add while work is waiting, obviously if there is not enough work engines may be idle. -- Richard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Offload work to zIIP with zPRIME
Hmmm... SAS makes heavy use of self-modifying code. Is that a clue? db -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ken Porowski Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:14 PM One thing from the presentation was that SAS work was not compatible -Original Message- Lizette Koehler I have a concern about the zPRIME product. If the zXXP engines are for SRB (pre-emptible) work, then my understanding is that the SRB cannot have any SVCs save for OPEN. So I am wondering how the process could work when normal TCB work would have SVCs it executes. Is there a way to determine that this UOW has no SVC so therefore I can make it look like an SRB and have it move the zXXP engine? Or can I blindly move a UOW to the zXXP engine and if it has an SVC - fail, and then the system would dispatch back to the CP? Am I missing something here? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
