Re: FMID to Program Number

[Tom Brennan]

That went to my IBM bookmark folder.  Thanks!

On 10/28/2021 5:18 AM, Shelia Chalk wrote:

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zdt/12.0.1?topic=release-zos-23-may-2018-edition   
try this web site.   I found most of the fmid's just the other day.

Thanks

Shelia Chalk  at a bank in MISSISSIPPI



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Re: How to list all modules going in with SETPROG ADD command

[kekronbekron]

Or RALTER AUDIT(ALL(READ)) for FACILITY CSVDYLPA.** ?
And then use RACFRW, RACFICE, or some such to report it out.

- kb

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On Saturday, October 30th, 2021 at 2:45 AM, Peter Relson  
wrote:

> The SMF type 90 subtype 31 record is where the system places all the data
>
> related to the command.
>
> You could provide an exit routine associated with the CSVDYLPA exit and
>
> examine the data passed to the exit routine.
>
> You could use the programming interface instead of the command and examine
>
> the output data.
>
> You could just write some simple Rexx exec to list the members of the data
>
> set that you identified (applying whatever wildcard specification you
>
> want, although that can be complex in the general case).
>
> You could do something complex with CSVINFO (capturing before and after
>
> and listing the delta).
>
> Peter Relson
>
> z/OS Core Technology Design
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[Laurence Chiu]

It's a shame that those of you in the US are not apparently getting
responses from IBM since based on what I have seen posted in this group
most people would like to have a copy and would need the criteria.

I get a response and since I am not in the US I have to wait until the end
of the year;  It would be cool to spin up an Ubuntu VM in the cloud
somewhere and load ZD and then play around from anywhere :-)

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 1:38 PM Pommier, Rex 
wrote:

> Reading this thread it almost seems to me like "zDNT" learner's edition is
> an acronym for zDoNotTry.  I hope I'm wrong because I want to retire some
> day and when I do, it would be fun to have a cheap z/OS learning
> system/playground to learn about all the stuff my daytime job doesn't offer
> me the time to do.
>
> Rex
>
>

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[Pommier, Rex]

Yeah, I was trying to make a bit of a funny.  Guess it didn't work.

-Original Message-
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On 10/29/21 6:38 PM, Pommier, Rex wrote:
> Reading this thread it almost seems to me like "zDNT" learner's 
> edition is an acronym for zDoNotTry.  I hope I'm wrong because I want 
> to retire some day and when I do, it would be fun to have a cheap z/OS 
> learning system/playground to learn about all the stuff my daytime job 
> doesn't offer me the time to do.

I believe that the zD Edition will do all the things that I want to 
do.  I specifically want to play on my own z/OS system to learn about it and 
try things.  Everything I do on it will be in pursuit of learning z/OS and 
other associated products.  I'm confident that I will end up doing some 
programming on it, but it will be explicitly in the pursuit of learning about 
the platform.

I believe that my use case falls squarely in the zD agreement.  I believe 
the ~$120 per year is a reasonable way for me to do what I want legally and 
with IBM's blessing.  I feel no need to do anything more ... 
questionable.

I also think it's important that we not complain about the zD before it 
gets out of the gate.  --  Questions about what it is and what we're allowed to 
do are probably okay.  But I don't want to look this gift horse in the mouth, 
lest it be withdrawn.

As for those wanting to do some development for non-commercial / (FL)OSS 
projects, I wonder if the next step up for $120 per month might allow that.  I 
suspect that the next step up beyond that, $~5k per year, would be required for 
developing things for commercial projects.  But that is my loose understanding 
...... I'm not a lawyer.



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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[Grant Taylor]

On 10/29/21 6:38 PM, Pommier, Rex wrote:
Reading this thread it almost seems to me like "zDNT" learner's 
edition is an acronym for zDoNotTry.  I hope I'm wrong because I 
want to retire some day and when I do, it would be fun to have a 
cheap z/OS learning system/playground to learn about all the stuff 
my daytime job doesn't offer me the time to do.


I believe that the zD Edition will do all the things that I 
want to do.  I specifically want to play on my own z/OS system to learn 
about it and try things.  Everything I do on it will be in pursuit of 
learning z/OS and other associated products.  I'm confident that I will 
end up doing some programming on it, but it will be explicitly in the 
pursuit of learning about the platform.


I believe that my use case falls squarely in the zD agreement.  I 
believe the ~$120 per year is a reasonable way for me to do what I want 
legally and with IBM's blessing.  I feel no need to do anything more ... 
questionable.


I also think it's important that we not complain about the zD 
before it gets out of the gate.  --  Questions about what it is and what 
we're allowed to do are probably okay.  But I don't want to look this 
gift horse in the mouth, lest it be withdrawn.


As for those wanting to do some development for non-commercial / (FL)OSS 
projects, I wonder if the next step up for $120 per month might allow 
that.  I suspect that the next step up beyond that, $~5k per year, would 
be required for developing things for commercial projects.  But that is 
my loose understanding ...... I'm not a lawyer.




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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[Pommier, Rex]

Reading this thread it almost seems to me like "zDNT" learner's edition is an 
acronym for zDoNotTry.  I hope I'm wrong because I want to retire some day and 
when I do, it would be fun to have a cheap z/OS learning system/playground to 
learn about all the stuff my daytime job doesn't offer me the time to do.

Rex

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Laurence Chiu
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 4:00 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

I used my personal email account and yet it looked like the IBM rep who emailed 
me back is associated with the large corporate bank that I'm currently working 
for even though I didn't use a work email account nor identify myself as such. 
And I'm not working on the mainframe side with this bank. Spoke to some 
colleagues about this and they said IBM knows who you are no matter what 
identity you use :-)

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 12:53 AM Mark Regan  wrote:

> I put in my request on Oct. 21st and still have not heard back from 
> IBM except for the autoresponse email saying that someone from sales 
> will contact me.
> Regards,
>
> Mark Regan, K8MTR
>
> *CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991*
> *Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017*
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 5:40 AM Laurence Chiu  wrote:
>
> > I just received information from IBM directly on the product. 
> > Currently it's on a dark launch in the US only but once that has 
> > been sorted out it will be made available to the rest of the world by the 
> > end of the year.
> >
> > T's include (I was only provided an image of the T's and I can't 
> > post this here since apparently the forum strips out images.  But in 
> > essence they are
> >
> > *What is it?*
> > Provide an affordable ZD for individual enterprise developers who 
> > want
> to
> > develop z/OS skills to be part of the mainframe ecosystem and 
> > support
> them
> > in their career success
> >
> > *How*
> >
> > Offering access to ZD at $120/year to vetted, advanced users for 
> > educational purposes
> >
> > *Vetting Criteria*
> >
> > z/OS Practitioner badge and Master the Mainframe training complete
> >
> > OR
> >
> > 1-3 years of sysadmin or system programmer experience [ I would 
> > imagine most people on this mailing list would easily fall into this 
> > category
> :-) ]
> >
> > *Targeted Segments*
> >
> > z/OS students and hobbyists who want a personalised zD for 
> > learning purposes and support their career success.
> >
> > As an aside,  while most of my  systems programmer experience has 
> > been in DB2, IMS and VM,  I would like to dabble in CICS or if they 
> > offer it,
> look
> > at parallel sysplex. It's not my current day job and hasn't been for 
> > many moons so it would be great to get back into into for kicks 
> > (CICS :-) )
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:41 AM Lionel B. Dyck  wrote:
> >
> > > The T's's explicitly state that it is to be used for learning 
> > > and may NOT be used for any kind of development - including Open Source.
> > >
> > > I've confirmed that with two sources.
> > >
> > > Disappointing ☹
> > >
> > >
> > > Lionel B. Dyck <><
> > > Website: 
> > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.lbdsoftware.com__;!!KjMRP1
> > > Ixj6eLE0Fj!-wlHR_Jkmoa3P6wlu3JetttTK7kx19cJoWVgsE02-rE1tJ_3MakrwO4
> > > CSaoQQbix8A$
> > > Github: 
> > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/lbdyck__;!!KjMRP1Ix
> > > j6eLE0Fj!-wlHR_Jkmoa3P6wlu3JetttTK7kx19cJoWVgsE02-rE1tJ_3MakrwO4CS
> > > arKMUfMvQ$
> > >
> > > “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character 
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Re: VisualAge PL/I question

[Charles Mills]

So @Robin, 5668-235 IBM PL/I for MVS was *after* Optimizing V2 and *before*
VisualAge PL/I?

Charles


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Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 4:29 PM
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Subject: Re: VisualAge PL/I question

IBM OS Optimising Compiler is a product of the 1970s.
VisualAge PL/I is a product of the 1990s or post 2000.

On 2021-10-30 09:41, Charles Mills wrote:
> Is VisualAgeR PL/I V2 the same product as 5668-910 IBM OS PL/I 
> Optimizing
> Compiler V2?
> 
> Charles

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[Charles Mills]

Not the answer I wanted. 

Seriously, thanks.

Charles


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Subject: Re: VisualAge PL/I question

IBM OS Optimising Compiler is a product of the 1970s.
VisualAge PL/I is a product of the 1990s or post 2000.

On 2021-10-30 09:41, Charles Mills wrote:
> Is VisualAgeR PL/I V2 the same product as 5668-910 IBM OS PL/I 
> Optimizing
> Compiler V2?

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[Robin Vowels]

IBM OS Optimising Compiler is a product of the 1970s.
VisualAge PL/I is a product of the 1990s or post 2000.

On 2021-10-30 09:41, Charles Mills wrote:
Is VisualAgeR PL/I V2 the same product as 5668-910 IBM OS PL/I 
Optimizing

Compiler V2?

Charles


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VisualAge PL/I question

[Charles Mills]

Is VisualAgeR PL/I V2 the same product as 5668-910 IBM OS PL/I Optimizing
Compiler V2?

Charles 

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Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

[Charles Mills]

I Googled 2321 noodle picker and got a bunch of hits.

I just started to paste them here but they are Google links as long as your
arm. Just Google <2321 noodle picker>. Also .

Here it is in a "printed newspaper":
https://forums.theregister.com/post/637087 

I found a SHARE presentation and some academic Web site.

Charles


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Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 2:53 PM
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Subject: Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

Wiki has some strange rules, and they prefer secondary sources. To me that
sound like a way for errors to creep in, but those are the rules. Anything
printed in a trade journal should work. Could there be something in annals
of computing?

In general, I've found wiki to be a hostile working environment, due to the
lack of an effective dispute resolution mechanism,  and I am concentrating
on software-related articles, where I haven't run into as many issues with
other editors.


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Subject: Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

On 10/29/21 2:27 PM, Doug wrote:
> You mean besides the act that we lived through that time, I fixed them,
> and everyone I knew that had any knowledge of them at all called the
> 2321 a "noodle picker?'

Is there any chance that an interview / statement from one or more
people with first hand experience during the 2321's heyday would count?

I don't think there is any reliable source for calling a modem
connection sequence "sounds like a duck choking on a kazoo" either.  Yet
I know many people that have used that expression.  Maybe describe it as
a colloquialism.

There are many things in history that people are not proud of.  But the
dislike thereof doesn't mean that they didn't happen.



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Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

[Seymour J Metz]

Wiki has some strange rules, and they prefer secondary sources. To me that 
sound like a way for errors to creep in, but those are the rules. Anything 
printed in a trade journal should work. Could there be something in annals of 
computing?

In general, I've found wiki to be a hostile working environment, due to the 
lack of an effective dispute resolution mechanism,  and I am concentrating on 
software-related articles, where I haven't run into as many issues with other 
editors.


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
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Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 4:40 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

On 10/29/21 2:27 PM, Doug wrote:
> You mean besides the act that we lived through that time, I fixed them,
> and everyone I knew that had any knowledge of them at all called the
> 2321 a "noodle picker?'

Is there any chance that an interview / statement from one or more
people with first hand experience during the 2321's heyday would count?

I don't think there is any reliable source for calling a modem
connection sequence "sounds like a duck choking on a kazoo" either.  Yet
I know many people that have used that expression.  Maybe describe it as
a colloquialism.

There are many things in history that people are not proud of.  But the
dislike thereof doesn't mean that they didn't happen.



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Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

[Mike Schwab]

Marna WALLE (mwalle)
@mwalle
·3h
Yeah! The latest PTFs for the z/OS V2.5 Upgrade Workflow refresh
closed today (for APAR OA61406). Also, IBM Documentation was updated
with that latest refresh export. Check out the Summary of Changes for
what was updated.
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=workflow-abstract-zos-upgrade


Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
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Re: How to list all modules going in with SETPROG ADD command

[Peter Relson]

The SMF type 90 subtype 31 record is where the system places all the data 
related to the command.

You could provide an exit routine associated with the CSVDYLPA exit and 
examine the data passed to the exit routine.
You could use the programming interface instead of the command and examine 
the output data.

You could just write some simple Rexx exec to list the members of the data 
set that you identified (applying whatever wildcard specification you 
want, although that can be complex in the general case).

You could do something complex with CSVINFO (capturing before and after 
and listing the delta).

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design


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Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[Laurence Chiu]

I used my personal email account and yet it looked like the IBM rep who
emailed me back is associated with the large corporate bank that I'm
currently working for even though I didn't use a work email account nor
identify myself as such. And I'm not working on the mainframe side with
this bank. Spoke to some colleagues about this and they said IBM knows who
you are no matter what identity you use :-)

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 12:53 AM Mark Regan  wrote:

> I put in my request on Oct. 21st and still have not heard back from IBM
> except for the autoresponse email saying that someone from sales will
> contact me.
> Regards,
>
> Mark Regan, K8MTR
>
> *CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991*
> *Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017*
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 5:40 AM Laurence Chiu  wrote:
>
> > I just received information from IBM directly on the product. Currently
> > it's on a dark launch in the US only but once that has been sorted out it
> > will be made available to the rest of the world by the end of the year.
> >
> > T's include (I was only provided an image of the T's and I can't post
> > this here since apparently the forum strips out images.  But in essence
> > they are
> >
> > *What is it?*
> > Provide an affordable ZD for individual enterprise developers who want
> to
> > develop z/OS skills to be part of the mainframe ecosystem and support
> them
> > in their career success
> >
> > *How*
> >
> > Offering access to ZD at $120/year to vetted, advanced users for
> > educational purposes
> >
> > *Vetting Criteria*
> >
> > z/OS Practitioner badge and Master the Mainframe training complete
> >
> > OR
> >
> > 1-3 years of sysadmin or system programmer experience [ I would imagine
> > most people on this mailing list would easily fall into this category
> :-) ]
> >
> > *Targeted Segments*
> >
> > z/OS students and hobbyists who want a personalised zD for learning
> > purposes and support their career success.
> >
> > As an aside,  while most of my  systems programmer experience has been in
> > DB2, IMS and VM,  I would like to dabble in CICS or if they offer it,
> look
> > at parallel sysplex. It's not my current day job and hasn't been for many
> > moons so it would be great to get back into into for kicks (CICS :-) )
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:41 AM Lionel B. Dyck  wrote:
> >
> > > The T's's explicitly state that it is to be used for learning and may
> > > NOT be used for any kind of development - including Open Source.
> > >
> > > I've confirmed that with two sources.
> > >
> > > Disappointing ☹
> > >
> > >
> > > Lionel B. Dyck <><
> > > Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
> > > Github: https://github.com/lbdyck
> > >
> > > “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is
> what
> > > you are, reputation merely what others think you are.”   - - - John
> > Wooden
> > >
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Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

[Grant Taylor]

On 10/29/21 2:27 PM, Doug wrote:
You mean besides the act that we lived through that time, I fixed them, 
and everyone I knew that had any knowledge of them at all called the 
2321 a "noodle picker?'


Is there any chance that an interview / statement from one or more 
people with first hand experience during the 2321's heyday would count?


I don't think there is any reliable source for calling a modem 
connection sequence "sounds like a duck choking on a kazoo" either.  Yet 
I know many people that have used that expression.  Maybe describe it as 
a colloquialism.


There are many things in history that people are not proud of.  But the 
dislike thereof doesn't mean that they didn't happen.




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Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

[Doug]

You mean besides the act that we lived through that time, I fixed them, 
and everyone I knew that had any knowledge of them at all called the 
2321 a "noodle picker?'


Sorry, no.


Doug Fuerst
d...@bkassociates.net

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Subject: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?


One of the wiki editors has removed mention of the term "noodle picker" from [[IBM 2321 
Data Cell]] with the explanation "Really remove unreferenced OR". Does anybody have a 
reliaible source for this usage that I can cite?



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Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

[Kurt J. Quackenbush]

> Do I have to go through the entire workflow for each clone, or can I
> quickly create multiple clones?

You have to go through an entire deployment operation to clone a software 
instance.  If you're deploying the same source software again you can Copy 
an already completed Deployment which is better than using a Model 
software instance to initialize the deployment configuration.  I think the 
process is pretty quick, but I don't know your definition of "quickly".

Try it out and let us know if you think its quick or not.

Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, z/OS SMP/E and z/OSMF Software Management
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Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

[Kurt J. Quackenbush]

> We were able to merge datasets when we used CustomPac Installation 
> Dialog to install ServerPac like the below merged dataset display. 
> Can we still do that through z/OSMF software Management? Thanks.

No, not at the moment, but we are actively developing a merge data set 
capability for the deployment action, so stay tuned.

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Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

[Seymour J Metz]

Do I have to go through the entire workflow for each clone, or can I quickly 
create multiple clones?


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Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 2:53 PM
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> Does the z/OSMF workflow support the following methodology:

To clarify terminology I'll rephrase your question to what I think you
meant to ask:
Does z/OSMF Software Management, and the z/OSMF workflows supplied with
the IBM ServerPac portable software instance, support the following
methodology?

>  1. There are multiple clones for each release, each with its own
> SMP and zFS datasets

Yes.

>  2. The naming convention for dlib and target volumes encapsulate a
> release and a clone within the release

Yes, the volume names can be whatever you choose.

>  3. The naming convention for SMP and zFS datasets encapsulate a
> release and a clone within the release

Yes, the data set names can be whatever you choose.

>  4. All parameter members use static system symbols to refer to
> residence volumes and zFS datasets.

Hmmm... this I don't know.  I don't know the details of the PARMLIB
members constructed by the workflows supplied with the ServerPac.

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Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

[Seymour J Metz]

One of the wiki editors has removed mention of the term "noodle picker" from 
[[IBM 2321 Data Cell]] with the explanation "Really remove unreferenced OR". 
Does anybody have a reliaible source for this usage that I can cite?



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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

[Chen, Ya-Fang]

Kurt,

We were able to merge datasets when we used CustomPac Installation Dialog to 
install ServerPac like the below merged dataset display. 
Can we still do that through z/OSMF software Management? Thanks.


Merge Component Data Sets for:
 ISP.SISPPENU  
 S   Data Set Name 
 -   --
   * ISP.SISPPENU  
 AOP.SAOPPENU  
 FFST.V120ESA.SEPWPENU 
 GDDM.SADMPNL  
 GIM.SGIMPENU  
 ICQ.ICQPLIB
 ISF.SISFPLIB   
 SYS1.DFQPLIB   
 SYS1.DGTPLIB   
 SYS1.HRFPANL   
 SYS1.SBDTPNL0  
 SYS1.SBLSPNL0  
 SYS1.SBPXPENU  
 SYS1.SEDGPENU  
 SYS1.SERBPENU  
 SYS1.SIATPNL0  
 TCPIP.SEZAPENU


Regards,
Ya-Fang


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Kurt J. Quackenbush
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 1:54 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

> Does the z/OSMF workflow support the following methodology:

To clarify terminology I'll rephrase your question to what I think you meant to 
ask:
Does z/OSMF Software Management, and the z/OSMF workflows supplied with the IBM 
ServerPac portable software instance, support the following methodology?

>  1. There are multiple clones for each release, each with its own SMP 
> and zFS datasets

Yes.

>  2. The naming convention for dlib and target volumes encapsulate a 
> release and a clone within the release

Yes, the volume names can be whatever you choose.

>  3. The naming convention for SMP and zFS datasets encapsulate a 
> release and a clone within the release

Yes, the data set names can be whatever you choose.

>  4. All parameter members use static system symbols to refer to 
> residence volumes and zFS datasets.

Hmmm... this I don't know.  I don't know the details of the PARMLIB members 
constructed by the workflows supplied with the ServerPac.

Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, z/OS SMP/E and z/OSMF Software Management Chuck Norris 
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> Does the z/OSMF workflow support the following methodology:

To clarify terminology I'll rephrase your question to what I think you 
meant to ask:
Does z/OSMF Software Management, and the z/OSMF workflows supplied with 
the IBM ServerPac portable software instance, support the following 
methodology?

>  1. There are multiple clones for each release, each with its own 
> SMP and zFS datasets

Yes.

>  2. The naming convention for dlib and target volumes encapsulate a 
> release and a clone within the release

Yes, the volume names can be whatever you choose.

>  3. The naming convention for SMP and zFS datasets encapsulate a 
> release and a clone within the release

Yes, the data set names can be whatever you choose.

>  4. All parameter members use static system symbols to refer to 
> residence volumes and zFS datasets.

Hmmm... this I don't know.  I don't know the details of the PARMLIB 
members constructed by the workflows supplied with the ServerPac.

Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, z/OS SMP/E and z/OSMF Software Management
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Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[Seymour J Metz]

The devil is in the details. If the TOS allow you to build your own system, 
then you should be able to do everything at Dallas that you can do on a ZD 
Whether that is an attractive option depends on the rates.


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Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org]
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For about $5K per year I find Dallas to be a more attractive proposition. Real 
z hardware and a modest amount of support. Only restriction AFAIR is "no 
production data processing."

YMMV indeed. zD I guess would give you unlimited CPU time and all the DASD 
you wanted to buy (you rent additional DASD at Dallas, and pay for any 
extensive CPU usage). Dallas is as many TSO or CICS users as you want, IIRC, 
but the zD is limited, right? At Dallas you run as a VM guest, and I suppose 
that might preclude certain system software development.

Charles


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ZDNT at $120/year is be attractive for developing open source z/OS software 
attractive if the license allows it. ZD Personal at $5K/year is too expensive 
for that purpos, although a hypothetical ZD FOSS version costing more than 
ZDNT but still only a few hundred dollars would be attractive.

YMMV

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[Seymour J Metz]

Does the z/OSMF workflow support the following methodology:

 1. There are multiple clones for each release, each with its own SMP and zFS 
datasets
 2. The naming convention for dlib and target volumes encapsulate a release and 
a clone within the release
 3. The naming convention for SMP and zFS datasets encapsulate a release and a 
clone within the release
 4. All parameter members use static system symbols to refer to residence 
volumes and zFS datasets.


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Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 10:26 PM
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Hi all,
Thanks for all the great feedback!  This has been a good conversation to follow 
the past couple of days. We do appreciate it!

>From the conversation, I see those here are on the "minimum  installation 
>path" that want to:
1.  Use an existing prior configuration to save time when installing a new z/OS 
release. With *absolute minimum* manual renaming or data sets or volume name 
changes.
2.  Use an existing master catalog
3.  Mostly indirectly catalog
4.  Use "non-IPLable" data set names, so that existing deployment tools can be 
used.
5.  Run the minimum amount of jobs.  So that they can immediately lay down 
installed target, dlibs, and SMP/E data sets (and reluctantly, have to take 
some CPAC data sets) *only*, and move on by themselves.
6.  Want to be able to see all the JCL before it is run.
(7.  Want to be able to use multi-level aliasing.)

I think I've captured all the *major* points necessary to get a z/OS system 
laid down in a couple of  hours, with multi-level aliasing perhaps not being 
something used by all the contributers.  I do understand there are some other 
niceties, but I generally think I've got the list above what was discussed to 
pull down an order and get it on DASD quickly.

For doing the installation path above, z/OSMF *does* have that functionality 
today - except for the multi-level aliases. I'm not certain that multi-level 
aliases is critical, but I understand that doing it would be helpful to those 
that have used them for a long time, and want to continue with them.  Yes, the 
functions may not have been "found" immediately while trying out the new 
interface.  Especially when extremely familiar with the CustomPac interface.

What I'd like to understand:  for those that are on that "minimum installation 
path" above and have done their first z/OS portable software instance install, 
after you've gotten the information here (from Kurt, thanks!!), do you think 
you can lay down that z/OS release again using z/OSMF in a couple of hours?  
Keep in mind, you'd be using z/OSMF's Model After capability, selecting 
"existing master catalog",  data set configuration filtering and mass changes 
on data set and volume names, and system symbols with volume association.

-Marna WALLE
z/OS System Install and Upgrade
IBM Poughkeepsie

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Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[Charles Mills]

For about $5K per year I find Dallas to be a more attractive proposition. Real 
z hardware and a modest amount of support. Only restriction AFAIR is "no 
production data processing."

YMMV indeed. zD I guess would give you unlimited CPU time and all the DASD 
you wanted to buy (you rent additional DASD at Dallas, and pay for any 
extensive CPU usage). Dallas is as many TSO or CICS users as you want, IIRC, 
but the zD is limited, right? At Dallas you run as a VM guest, and I suppose 
that might preclude certain system software development.

Charles


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ZDNT at $120/year is be attractive for developing open source z/OS software 
attractive if the license allows it. ZD Personal at $5K/year is too expensive 
for that purpos, although a hypothetical ZD FOSS version costing more than 
ZDNT but still only a few hundred dollars would be attractive.

YMMV

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Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[Seymour J Metz]

ZDNT at $120/year is be attractive for developing open source z/OS software 
attractive if the license allows it. ZD Personal at $5K/year is too expensive 
for that purpos, although a hypothetical ZD FOSS version costing more than 
ZDNT but still only a few hundred dollars would be attractive.

YMMV


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Laurence Chiu [lch...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 5:39 AM
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I just received information from IBM directly on the product. Currently
it's on a dark launch in the US only but once that has been sorted out it
will be made available to the rest of the world by the end of the year.

T's include (I was only provided an image of the T's and I can't post
this here since apparently the forum strips out images.  But in essence
they are

*What is it?*
Provide an affordable ZD for individual enterprise developers who want to
develop z/OS skills to be part of the mainframe ecosystem and support them
in their career success

*How*

Offering access to ZD at $120/year to vetted, advanced users for
educational purposes

*Vetting Criteria*

z/OS Practitioner badge and Master the Mainframe training complete

OR

1-3 years of sysadmin or system programmer experience [ I would imagine
most people on this mailing list would easily fall into this category :-) ]

*Targeted Segments*

z/OS students and hobbyists who want a personalised zD for learning
purposes and support their career success.

As an aside,  while most of my  systems programmer experience has been in
DB2, IMS and VM,  I would like to dabble in CICS or if they offer it, look
at parallel sysplex. It's not my current day job and hasn't been for many
moons so it would be great to get back into into for kicks (CICS :-) )

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:41 AM Lionel B. Dyck  wrote:

> The T's's explicitly state that it is to be used for learning and may
> NOT be used for any kind of development - including Open Source.
>
> I've confirmed that with two sources.
>
> Disappointing ☹
>
>
> Lionel B. Dyck <><
> Website: 
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1LpjOuSp6q4hq6tZmbm7b-vX0BuNCYdUV9n6C_wnvZJeNAnQh3WmfGMJUQwauL0sdX67iGiUbrs-mK8DEGF6I2JUcbMuTopDau4QJKwMcuFjjbZmC52CLMYzetL0wwZl-VCuIxKveq4P3XFVnPz6gLC3uQD_y9UYFPRZZ-YgxGDPBzhdhw7_WN5A5CZyHbi5iYM_TlaHDRQnj3RWyDpqMdBzYWvy3WhJ5hE41jFK77m-hkp8ZOLa-Xx0V78Uqgciu538x-rzA6JOGdQfRqBGcd4N8WRRJgzMXoT9xH6Zl5OMfm-2y7xsMIgzKAgfk4gwJJhJun1Z0fknfuiZpfXf9W_rP_rfFj_UcjKtE6zXoW7DN8tLNEPK7vw8VqvvBMocw0DVlpvklOIQd_16lyIq7pRe7OPNGpZZNt6VtL6bcA-YojWevXHc58svh22Qylwdf/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com
> Github: 
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1ZcmR2hKxuX8RtrQeQ2eZFjGhmCoXTaFvZBEsRtuicTvgTNZZmcWB7Q2gTnyTTgxEsmoWn5ErH8yi0kcI1nK09xZhcFRcA5lsFwuL86ri72lzdru1k8uG3v8QXhIowzPLDNkucLa8gq6m5zHpJJSMxzzozUgghidiZswxkg_j-GfZdxC649RnASLmo2f9991jgVnALjWEmHSp3M0aYvcVADP1NS71FYJMvxJhOCP-9SKkp9nj4Bp6GypkeZfM5s4oYJgwXUIRDx3YdYDNMaeKziCnxivwa93B3WsFYnrrhn89i75I7UIwgVYv0g1E0QdgjOjVCYlvpLYAf57-yIN_UsB19Sa1M3r-QfzNU0zz63zEITBv0ccrx31rWwCEV0jXZ7iE6Zt9BMwmnWDm2ey_dJFlChq0405W82JZPMXwLGiPJbviL0vamU0aZjDpv9_YI5bl2xKY-2_7dBh1zJz87w/https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Flbdyck
>
> “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what
> you are, reputation merely what others think you are.”   - - - John Wooden
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Re: Invalid character in file

[Seymour J Metz]

I doubt that anybody is disparaging curved quotes. What I have seen is people 
disparaging software that covertly and inappropriately changes one character to 
another. I refer to such a program as a Molly Malone

She died of a favor
From which none could save her,
And that was the end of sweet Molly Malone

The ASCII quote character, the Unicode left quote and the Unicode right quote 
are all valid, but they are in no way interchangeable. Software that 
automatically "corrects" something that was not wrong is broken. "It's not a 
bug, it's a creature." There is nothing smart about "smart quotes", any more 
than it is smart to automatically capitalize things that are intended to be 
lower case.


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Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org]
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 12:19 PM
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Subject: Re: Invalid character in file

Well, you're right of course. I saw the original question, thought "I think 1a 
is a SUB" and was going to look it up to be sure. Then someone else responded 
that it was a SUB and I just went with that. My bad.

So the sequence may have been something like

Input perhaps in UTF-8 translated to ASCII. Untranslatable character converted 
correctly to 1A.
ASCII translated to EBCDIC and the 1A incorrectly preserved as 1A.
3270 emulator barfs on receipt of a 1A

Will be interesting to hear back from the OP about my theory of a cut-and-paste 
of a curved quote.

Hey, it is wrong to dis curved quotes. They are proper quotes. All quotes used 
to be curved quotes. Then the typewriter came along and they economized on keys 
by going to a single straight quote. ASCII and EBCDIC followed suit. Yes, 
automatic conversion of "typewriter quotes" to proper quotes can cause 
problems, but don't blame the quotes. They're right, at least historically 
speaking.

Charles


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Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:10 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Invalid character in file

On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 14:54:56 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>1A is the EBCDIC sub character as @Mike says. Something is taking input in 
>character set A and translating it to character set B, finding a character 
>that is not in character set B, and properly substituting a 1A.
>
I believe 1A is the ASCII SUB; EBCDIC SUB is 3F.
$ printf '\x1A' | iconv -f ISO8859-1 -t IBM-1047 | od -tx1
000 3f

>Then TN3270 is saying "I don't know how to display a 1A" and barfing.
>
>Apostrophe, huh? A wild guess would be that the character that is not liked 
>might be a "smart quote": ’
>
ITYM "smartass quote".  But good guess.

>I don't think they could truly key that in but they might count cut-and-paste 
>as "keying in."


>-Original Message-
>On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 8:24 PM Tony Thigpen wrote:
>>
>> This is a new one for me.
>>
>> I have a customer that has sites in both the US and Canada. In the last
>> week, something strange has happened in their files TWICE.
>>
>> They are using CICS to add a new vendor to an IMS database. The next
>> time they try to access the vendor record, the terminal session gets a
>> prog-something because the customer name now has a x'1A' in the name
>> where it should have been an apostrophe. TN3270 just does not like a
>> x'1A' in a data field.
>>
>> For example:
>> GROUT.S WELDING LIMITED
>> CDDEE1E4ECDCCDC4DCDCECC44
>> 79643A2065349570394935400
>>
>> I asked if they are creating new vendor records via an off-platform
>> feed, but they say the are keying them manually in a CICS terminal session.
>>
>> I do know that both times this has happened, the vendor was a Canadian
>> supplier so maybe this has something to do with French keyboards?
>> (Grasping for straws, maybe?)
>>
>> Anybody seen this or think they may know what is happening?

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Fwd: Mainframes and Open Source – an update

[Mark Regan]

http://mainframeupdate.blogspot.com/2021/10/mainframes-and-open-source-update.html


Mark Regan

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Re: Invalid character in file

[Charles Mills]

Well, you're right of course. I saw the original question, thought "I think 1a 
is a SUB" and was going to look it up to be sure. Then someone else responded 
that it was a SUB and I just went with that. My bad.

So the sequence may have been something like 

Input perhaps in UTF-8 translated to ASCII. Untranslatable character converted 
correctly to 1A.
ASCII translated to EBCDIC and the 1A incorrectly preserved as 1A.
3270 emulator barfs on receipt of a 1A

Will be interesting to hear back from the OP about my theory of a cut-and-paste 
of a curved quote.

Hey, it is wrong to dis curved quotes. They are proper quotes. All quotes used 
to be curved quotes. Then the typewriter came along and they economized on keys 
by going to a single straight quote. ASCII and EBCDIC followed suit. Yes, 
automatic conversion of "typewriter quotes" to proper quotes can cause 
problems, but don't blame the quotes. They're right, at least historically 
speaking.

Charles


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:10 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Invalid character in file

On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 14:54:56 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>1A is the EBCDIC sub character as @Mike says. Something is taking input in 
>character set A and translating it to character set B, finding a character 
>that is not in character set B, and properly substituting a 1A.
> 
I believe 1A is the ASCII SUB; EBCDIC SUB is 3F.
$ printf '\x1A' | iconv -f ISO8859-1 -t IBM-1047 | od -tx1
000 3f

>Then TN3270 is saying "I don't know how to display a 1A" and barfing.
>
>Apostrophe, huh? A wild guess would be that the character that is not liked 
>might be a "smart quote": ’
>
ITYM "smartass quote".  But good guess.

>I don't think they could truly key that in but they might count cut-and-paste 
>as "keying in."


>-Original Message-
>On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 8:24 PM Tony Thigpen wrote:
>>
>> This is a new one for me.
>>
>> I have a customer that has sites in both the US and Canada. In the last
>> week, something strange has happened in their files TWICE.
>>
>> They are using CICS to add a new vendor to an IMS database. The next
>> time they try to access the vendor record, the terminal session gets a
>> prog-something because the customer name now has a x'1A' in the name
>> where it should have been an apostrophe. TN3270 just does not like a
>> x'1A' in a data field.
>>
>> For example:
>> GROUT.S WELDING LIMITED
>> CDDEE1E4ECDCCDC4DCDCECC44
>> 79643A2065349570394935400
>>
>> I asked if they are creating new vendor records via an off-platform
>> feed, but they say the are keying them manually in a CICS terminal session.
>>
>> I do know that both times this has happened, the vendor was a Canadian
>> supplier so maybe this has something to do with French keyboards?
>> (Grasping for straws, maybe?)
>>
>> Anybody seen this or think they may know what is happening?

-- gil

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FW: Redbooks

[Richards, Robert B. (CTR)]

FYI

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Subject: Redbooks

I do my best to stay out of the rumor business. Chris Konarski just tweeted 
that is is a misunderstanding.
https://twitter.com/ChrisKonarski/status/1454110707096637442
Chris is the IBM VP WW Technical Sales and Lab Services.

Have a nice weekend everyone.

Regards,
Bill
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Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

[Marna WALLE]

Hi Keith,
Thanks for sharing!  

I did notice your comment: "I re-ordered the Serverpac because the first order 
had two target zones (I had assumed that this was because I had accidentally 
ordered 2 releases of the same product - node.js IIRC - but it turned out to be 
because I received ISPF-case and upper case panels)."

For z/OS V2.5, you really should have received only one target zone unless you 
ordered JES3.  JES3 will be put in its own target zone if you order it, and 
JES2 will be in the "base" target zone so that there is no merging of zones 
necessary like there was in the CustomPac Dialog.  We did it that way in 
preparation for the next release in which there will be no IBM JES3.  I suspect 
that if you had two target zones, you had JES3 by itself in one of them. 

You mention upper case...interesting.  We put upper case support into the 
Japanese language feature, so unless you ordered Japanese, I would not have 
expected you to have those FMIDs.  But, even more interesting, all the Japanese 
and upper case English support would have been in the base target zone.   I 
can't speak about any of the additional program products you ordered (like 
node), but I strongly suspect that they would not have been in their own zone 
as we like to put those all together.

-Marna WALLE
z/OS System Installation and Upgrade
IBM Poughkeepsie

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Re: LPA Load module hits or usage

[Peter Relson]

Mark J wrote:
>instruction fetch GTF trace, action=trace, 

I think Mark meant an instruction fetch SLIP trap with action=trace to get 
a GTF trace. Or ACTION=STRACE - you won't want to look at the data from 
the action itself, but this will let a DISPLAY SLIP,ID=xxx show you what 
you want, if you don't mind learning only about the number of times that 
can be represented in a SLIP matchlim value (the limit is 65535). The 
display will show the number of matches so far (until the trap gets 
disabled for reaching the limit)

In the general case, there is no tool you could use, whether free or not, 
that would provide that information. The general case is where a program 
learns of the address to use by using CSVQUERY and just branches there. 
The specific case of using LINK/LOAD/ATTACH/XCTL to route control to the 
module could be determined by such tools.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design


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Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

[Kurt J. Quackenbush]

> Not having seen the zOSMF method, 

Since you have not actually seen it yet, please allow me to clarify a few 
points.

> ... I know serverpac full
> system replacement needs a usercat (that would become the master cat
> if you wanted to replace that and IPL the new system) for allocating
> and restoring the 'collisions' (all allocated data sets in lnklst 
> and the logon proc). 

Creating a new user catalog (that could become a new master catalog) is an 
option in z/OSMF.  It is not required.

> Both zOSMF and serverpac go and set the SSA 
> into that usercat, I think. What I don't understand is why my 2.5 
> serverpac wants to cement the SSA in the DDDefs. I deleted all of 
> that before running the UP job. But then with serverpac, I get 
> to see the jobs before submitting them. zOSMF might do it the same 
> way and I think that is where Terri has the problem with the aliases
> she keeps mentioning.
> And I didn't understand why the SSA should get cemented in the dddefs, 
anyway.

In z/OSMF, if you choose to create a new user catalog (that could become a 
new master catalog), then z/OSMF automatically adds a temporary catalog 
alias (aka SSA) to connect the new user catalog with the existing master 
catalog.  This temporary catalog alias prefix is added to the data set 
names in the DDDEF entries.  This is done so z/OSMF and SMP/E can find the 
data sets through normal catalog search no matter on which system z/OSMF 
and SMP/E are running on.  That is, while running on either the driving 
system using the existing master catalog or on the new target system once 
IPLed using the new master catalog.  But again, if you don't want to 
create a new user catalog (to become a new master catalog), then you 
shouldn't choose that option, and no temporary catalog aliases will get 
created or added to the data set names.

And by the way, z/OSMF does allow you to see the JCL before submitting.

> What I found really annoying in my serverpac was that I was asked 
> for the jobclass for sysout data sets, dutifully specified an 
> asterisk (take the one from the jobcard) and then got generated 
> statements like this: SYSPRINT DD *. It took me a while to 
> understand why I had gotten either abend001 or abend04c and had no 
> sysprint to look for the reason.

I'm confused.  ServerPac is available now in two forms; the old-school 
CustomPac Installation Dialog, or z/OSMF portable software instance.  Is 
this a comment on the workflows supplied with the z/OSMF portable software 
instance, or with the CustomPac Installation Dialog?

Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, z/OS SMP/E and z/OSMF Software Management 
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RES: RES: TS1140 tape transports

[Bodra - Pessoal]

It is what I understood from announcement, once tape drives will not connect 
directly to z/OS channel but to VTS for destage. 
VTS emulates 3490/3590 and can destage to any kind of tape, it is just a bunch 
of bits to be recorded in tape.


Carlos Bodra
IBM zEnterprise Certified
São Paulo – SP – Brazil


-Mensagem original-
De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  Em nome de 
Radoslaw Skorupka
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 28 de outubro de 2021 20:39
Para: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Assunto: Re: RES: TS1140 tape transports

Does it mean one can replace his TS1140 drives with LTO?
I don't think so.
Correction: I don't think it is possible for z/OS or VTS clients. Note: 
Windows/Unix host could use TS1140 natively.

-- 
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W dniu 28.10.2021 o 16:51, Bodra - Pessoal pisze:
> An interesting fact in this announcement that could be a light for the future 
> is the recommendation for installations that use up to 15TB of tape 
> processing daily to use the TS7770 with TS4300 and LTO8 or LTO9 units, which 
> will certainly reduce the cost of media acquisition.
>
> The LTO units will only be used for destage and offsite storage, not being 
> accessed directly by the zSystem via the ficon channel, even because the 
> 3592-C07 control unit is no longer marketed.
>
> Extracted from announcement letter ( 
> https://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=AN=CA=897/ENUS921-136=USN
>  )
>
> Mainframes
>
>  For smaller environments with less than 15 TB daily, C06/C07, migrate to 
> the Rack Mount IBM TS7770 with TS4300 with LTO drives. This requires an RPQ.
>  For larger environments with more than 15 TB daily, C06/C07, migrate to 
> the TS7700 and use the Copy Export functionality.
>  For TS7700 virtual environments, migrate TS1140 tape drives to TS1150s 
> tape drives. All drives need to be migrated as the TS7700 must have the same 
> type and model of backend drives.
>
> Carlos Bodra
> IBM zEnterprise Certified
> São Paulo – SP – Brazil
>
>
> -Mensagem original-
> De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  Em nome de 
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 28 de outubro de 2021 08:42
> Para: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Assunto: Re: TS1140 tape transports
>
> W dniu 26.10.2021 o 22:54, Pommier, Rex pisze:
>> Hi list,
>>
>> Was I the only one caught flat-footed with the IBM announcement today that 
>> in just over 4 months (2/28/2022), they're dropping support on TS1140 tape 
>> transports?  Was there an earlier announcement that this was coming and I 
>> just missed it or was this the first notification?
> What's wrong with that?
> TS1140 is ~10 years old.
> There are TS1150, TS1155 and TS1160.
> As far as I know. any existing support contract will not be affected by
> the EOS announcement. Just no new support contracts for dates after
> 2022-02-28.
> And of course no drive will stop functioning just because of the
> announcement.
> Last, but not least, third party service companies will still support it
> as well as older equipment.
>
> The only interesting thing I see here - it is the last native tape drive
> supported by z/OS.
> I feel like with 3390 - no more drives, just disk arrays and emulation.
>
> And, to complement - there are very few virtual tape solutions with real
> tapes on backend. And very few tape manufacturers.
>

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Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

[Shaffer, Terri]

Hi Marna,
  I think you have captured everything.

Like I have stated.  I don’t like things done , that I cant see whats being 
done in the background, because if there is ever an issue, I would have no idea 
where it failed.  Or I can change JCL to fix.  Because Some IBM messages are 
vague..

Also again a learning curve, But if I am presented 3 options, new mcat, reuse 
old, etc.

It would be nice to understands what each does or expects.

In the 25+ years I have dealt with serverpac I have only did one build of a new 
MCAT because it had lots of garbage from old times past.

Now I just expect the SSA to be added to the beginning, if I am pointing to 
REUSE MCAT, OR added as an alias if I am pointing or going to use a NEW MCAT.

Since you perform a ton of validations and lookups this should be easy to do.  
In the serverpac, like others have stated, I run probably 5-6 jobs total and I 
am done with the serverpac dialogs.   This is the issue with you verifying 
everything in the background.  It might only be a temporary condition that will 
be solved later by me.

 Otherwise its not horrible as expected, once you get past the whole z/OSMF 
setup issues.  But still nuances that would make thing better usability

Ms Terri E Shaffer
Senior Systems Engineer,
z/OS Support:
ACIWorldwide – Telecommuter
H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592)
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Hi all,
Thanks for all the great feedback!  This has been a good conversation to follow 
the past couple of days. We do appreciate it!

From the conversation, I see those here are on the "minimum  installation path" 
that want to:
1.  Use an existing prior configuration to save time when installing a new z/OS 
release. With *absolute minimum* manual renaming or data sets or volume name 
changes.
2.  Use an existing master catalog
3.  Mostly indirectly catalog
4.  Use "non-IPLable" data set names, so that existing deployment tools can be 
used.
5.  Run the minimum amount of jobs.  So that they can immediately lay down 
installed target, dlibs, and SMP/E data sets (and reluctantly, have to take 
some CPAC data sets) *only*, and move on by themselves.
6.  Want to be able to see all the JCL before it is run.
(7.  Want to be able to use multi-level aliasing.)

I think I've captured all the *major* points necessary to get a z/OS system 
laid down in a couple of  hours, with multi-level aliasing perhaps not being 
something used by all the contributers.  I do understand there are some other 
niceties, but I generally think I've got the list above what was discussed to 
pull down an order and get it on DASD quickly.

For doing the installation path above, z/OSMF *does* have that functionality 
today - except for the multi-level aliases. I'm not certain that multi-level 
aliases is critical, but I understand that doing it would be helpful to those 
that have used them for a long time, and want to continue with them.  Yes, the 
functions may not have been "found" immediately while trying out the new 
interface.  Especially when extremely familiar with the CustomPac interface.

What I'd like to understand:  for those that are on that "minimum installation 
path" above and have done their first z/OS portable software instance install, 
after you've gotten the information here (from Kurt, thanks!!), do you think 
you can lay down that z/OS release again using z/OSMF in a couple of hours?  
Keep in mind, you'd be using z/OSMF's Model After capability, selecting 
"existing master catalog",  data set configuration filtering and mass changes 
on data set and volume names, and system symbols with volume association.

-Marna WALLE
z/OS System Install and Upgrade
IBM Poughkeepsie

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Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

[Marna WALLE]

HI Barbara,

==>  I did a 'save as' in the browser and saved the html pages to my laptop. I 
expected the content to be on my laptop, but it wasn't. When I opened the html 
pages using notepad, there was some small crap in it that was way too small to 
be the information I had seen online. I actually had to go back and search for 
the link again, save that to my bookmarks and  read online. When I skipped a 
few chapters, it took forever to load the intended content. It felt like that 
content had a lot of external links in it that would explain why it was so slow.

Ugh...this is because of IBM Documentation.  It was supposed to give you an 
excellent HTML file of the content you were looking.  Alias, that doesn't 
happen. I've reported the problem, but do feel free to also provide feedback to 
urge the solution along faster. 

I know you don't have z/OSMF up yet, but for those that do want that nice HTML 
file, you only need the core functions of z/OSMF to get you far enough to 
create the Upgrade Workflow there, and then export it. Before you export it, 
you can tailor it nicely for your system to make it much smaller than otherwise 
it would be.  

-Marna WALLE
z/OS System Install and Upgrade
IBM Poughkeepsie

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Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

[Keith Gooding]

Hi Maria.

Yes, I do believe that I can create the next z/os software instance very 
quickly now that we have a v2.5 instance. We use what the Serverpac dialog 
called ‘system upgrade’ , retain the existing master catalog and use indirect 
cataloging. 

In fact I was so confident that I could do this I re-ordered the Serverpac 
because the first order had two target zones (I had assumed that this was 
because I had accidentally ordered 2 releases of the same product - node.js 
IIRC - but it turned out to be because I received ISPF-case and upper case 
panels). Incidentally my shopz orders were shipped within 24 hours - it used to 
take a few days. This turned out to be a mistake because I had not actually 
finished the first install so it was not available as a model so I had to use 
the 2.4 instance. But with my experience of the first installation tailoring 
the dataset names and volumes was very quick. On reflection, using my first 2.5 
instance as a model may not have made much difference if only SMPE-managed 
datasets are modelled.
 
I much prefer z/osmf to the previous method. I never did learn all of the 
commands to edit the dataset names and volume layout. 

(Laying down the files in a couple of hours is a bit optimistic for me. I had 
to spend a lot of time freeing up disk space for the order etc and downloading 
the order and running the ‘unpack’ job took several hours. But the z/osmf 
dialogue part was quick and easy).


BTW I am the odd-ball who uses 2-level aliases for the ZFS datasets. I think 
the reason may be that when we moved to ZFS we could no longer use indirect 
cataloging for file systems so we added a second qualifier after “OMVS’  to 
create unique names. Then , when I realised that it was easier to put the ZFS 
datasets on the single large sysres, I needed to catalog them on a catalog 
residing on sysres to make cloning easier.  We ended up with 3 “qualifiers” 
associated with a particular software instance on sysres: the volser, the 
target zone name and the qualifier in the “OMVS” datasets. I know that it would 
be simpler to use the volser as the HLQ but we have to maintain and run several 
back levels of z/os and I am reluctant to change. I may however do that even 
though it is a minor ‘post install’ step to move the entries out of the ‘OMVS’ 
catalog to a catalog 

Keith Gooding

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Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[Matt Hogstrom]

FWIW I’ve been looking at the offerings to glean the possible uses for open 
source development.  This is my take on investigation and some discussion with 
IBM through their chat mechanism.  

IMHO, IBM can eliminate confusion by defining some terms and expectations like 
what does development mean?  What are you getting in terms of GCP entitlement? 
Dependencies on use of Parallel Sysplex.

If your looking at doing any work that involved development and sharing that 
code it appears that Personal Edition is the entry point.  Learners Edition is 
a good step forward but leaves a significant gap for those that want to leanr 
mainframe and contribute their IP (code) openly under an open license and 
through public means like Git.

There are four editions

Learners
Personal
Enterprise
Parallel Sysplex

Qhat seems clear on all editions is that you cannot:
* Run production workload
* Distribute compiled code built on ZD  They must be compiled on real 
hardware.

*Thoughts*
- I could not find references to the number of CPs entitled for Learners and 
Personal.  I presume that this is part of the negotiated price for Enterprise 
and Parallel Sysplex.
- It seems that if you want to run Parallel Sysplex you need Enterprise for 
z/OS and Parallel Sysplex.  I couldn’t find a statement clearly articulating 
this but it seems that this makes sense given the packaging.

Only the first two have prices on the website.  

*The learners is $120/yr*
Entitlement period: 1-year
Development: No

This item is targeted at people that want to learn administration or develop 
programming skills for z/OS middleware.  Its not for someone who wants to 
develop code to be sold or used for distribution (commercial or open source).

What is unclear is whether you could post your source you developed on Git or 
other public venues.  It is a learner’s edition so it would seem reasonable 
that if you wrote some useful Rexx, Assembler or other tool that you could 
share it.  I don’t see this distinction clearly spelled out.  Binary artifacts 
of your code like load modules are clearly not in scope.

*Personal is ~$5,800 for a 1-year license*
Entitlement Period: 1 year with an option to pay double up front for a 
perpetual license
Development: Yes

Single User only
Does not include Parallel Sysplex (only a single z/OS instance).
Uses Hardware Keys (although this was unclear to me as in many cases the 
website indicates these USBs have been deprecated).

*Enterprise*
Entitlement Period: 1 Year
Multi-User

*Parallel Sysplex*
Entitlement Period: 1 Year
Multi-User

Includes z/VM for CF emulation.  It wasn’t clear if z/VM was only for CF for 
z/OS or one could use if for VSE or other operating systems.


Matt Hogstrom
PGP key 0F143BC1

> On Oct 29, 2021, at 07:32, John McKown  wrote:
> 
> Sounds a little better. I, person, will wait for more info. And maybe a few
> posts here from people who have used it. I imagine my retirement will be
> filled with mind destroying video game playing. 
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 04:40 Laurence Chiu  wrote:
>> 
>> I just received information from IBM directly on the product. Currently
>> it's on a dark launch in the US only but once that has been sorted out it
>> will be made available to the rest of the world by the end of the year.
>> 
>> T's include (I was only provided an image of the T's and I can't post
>> this here since apparently the forum strips out images.  But in essence
>> they are
>> 
>> *What is it?*
>> Provide an affordable ZD for individual enterprise developers who want to
>> develop z/OS skills to be part of the mainframe ecosystem and support them
>> in their career success
>> 
>> *How*
>> 
>> Offering access to ZD at $120/year to vetted, advanced users for
>> educational purposes
>> 
>> *Vetting Criteria*
>> 
>> z/OS Practitioner badge and Master the Mainframe training complete
>> 
>> OR
>> 
>> 1-3 years of sysadmin or system programmer experience [ I would imagine
>> most people on this mailing list would easily fall into this category :-) ]
>> 
>> *Targeted Segments*
>> 
>> z/OS students and hobbyists who want a personalised zD for learning
>> purposes and support their career success.
>> 
>> As an aside,  while most of my  systems programmer experience has been in
>> DB2, IMS and VM,  I would like to dabble in CICS or if they offer it, look
>> at parallel sysplex. It's not my current day job and hasn't been for many
>> moons so it would be great to get back into into for kicks (CICS :-) )
>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:41 AM Lionel B. Dyck  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The T's's explicitly state that it is to be used for learning and may
>>> NOT be used for any kind of development - including Open Source.
>>> 
>>> I've confirmed that with two sources.
>>> 
>>> Disappointing ☹
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lionel B. Dyck <><
>>> Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
>>> Github: https://github.com/lbdyck
>>> 
>>> “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what
>>> you are, reputation 

Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[Mark Regan]

I put in my request on Oct. 21st and still have not heard back from IBM
except for the autoresponse email saying that someone from sales will
contact me.
Regards,

Mark Regan, K8MTR

*CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991*
*Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017*


On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 5:40 AM Laurence Chiu  wrote:

> I just received information from IBM directly on the product. Currently
> it's on a dark launch in the US only but once that has been sorted out it
> will be made available to the rest of the world by the end of the year.
>
> T's include (I was only provided an image of the T's and I can't post
> this here since apparently the forum strips out images.  But in essence
> they are
>
> *What is it?*
> Provide an affordable ZD for individual enterprise developers who want to
> develop z/OS skills to be part of the mainframe ecosystem and support them
> in their career success
>
> *How*
>
> Offering access to ZD at $120/year to vetted, advanced users for
> educational purposes
>
> *Vetting Criteria*
>
> z/OS Practitioner badge and Master the Mainframe training complete
>
> OR
>
> 1-3 years of sysadmin or system programmer experience [ I would imagine
> most people on this mailing list would easily fall into this category :-) ]
>
> *Targeted Segments*
>
> z/OS students and hobbyists who want a personalised zD for learning
> purposes and support their career success.
>
> As an aside,  while most of my  systems programmer experience has been in
> DB2, IMS and VM,  I would like to dabble in CICS or if they offer it, look
> at parallel sysplex. It's not my current day job and hasn't been for many
> moons so it would be great to get back into into for kicks (CICS :-) )
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:41 AM Lionel B. Dyck  wrote:
>
> > The T's's explicitly state that it is to be used for learning and may
> > NOT be used for any kind of development - including Open Source.
> >
> > I've confirmed that with two sources.
> >
> > Disappointing ☹
> >
> >
> > Lionel B. Dyck <><
> > Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
> > Github: https://github.com/lbdyck
> >
> > “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what
> > you are, reputation merely what others think you are.”   - - - John
> Wooden
> >
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Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[John McKown]

Sounds a little better. I, person, will wait for more info. And maybe a few
posts here from people who have used it. I imagine my retirement will be
filled with mind destroying video game playing. 

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 04:40 Laurence Chiu  wrote:

> I just received information from IBM directly on the product. Currently
> it's on a dark launch in the US only but once that has been sorted out it
> will be made available to the rest of the world by the end of the year.
>
> T's include (I was only provided an image of the T's and I can't post
> this here since apparently the forum strips out images.  But in essence
> they are
>
> *What is it?*
> Provide an affordable ZD for individual enterprise developers who want to
> develop z/OS skills to be part of the mainframe ecosystem and support them
> in their career success
>
> *How*
>
> Offering access to ZD at $120/year to vetted, advanced users for
> educational purposes
>
> *Vetting Criteria*
>
> z/OS Practitioner badge and Master the Mainframe training complete
>
> OR
>
> 1-3 years of sysadmin or system programmer experience [ I would imagine
> most people on this mailing list would easily fall into this category :-) ]
>
> *Targeted Segments*
>
> z/OS students and hobbyists who want a personalised zD for learning
> purposes and support their career success.
>
> As an aside,  while most of my  systems programmer experience has been in
> DB2, IMS and VM,  I would like to dabble in CICS or if they offer it, look
> at parallel sysplex. It's not my current day job and hasn't been for many
> moons so it would be great to get back into into for kicks (CICS :-) )
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:41 AM Lionel B. Dyck  wrote:
>
> > The T's's explicitly state that it is to be used for learning and may
> > NOT be used for any kind of development - including Open Source.
> >
> > I've confirmed that with two sources.
> >
> > Disappointing ☹
> >
> >
> > Lionel B. Dyck <><
> > Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
> > Github: https://github.com/lbdyck
> >
> > “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what
> > you are, reputation merely what others think you are.”   - - - John
> Wooden
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Re: Variable length records for SYSIN data sets

[Frank Swarbrick]

Thanks to all for helping.  I wasn't able to do what I wanted directly with 
SYSIN, so I ended up using SORT to copy from SYSIN to a file with the same 
attributes as the other file in the concatenation (VB204).

//CVSMB13E PROC
//MAILBODY EXEC PGM=SORT
//SYSOUT   DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSINDD *
 OPTION COPY
 OUTFIL FNAMES=MAILBODY,FTOV,VLTRIM=C' ',OUTREC=(1,80,200:X)
/*
//MAILBODY DD DISP=(NEW,CATLG),DSN=&,
//DATACLAS=TINY
//SORTIN   DD *
HELO ZOS
MAIL 
FROM:mailto:softwaredelivery-ca...@efirstbank.com>>
RCPT TO:mailto:frank.swarbr...@efirstbank.com>>
DATA
From:'FirstBank Cards SDT - Automated Process'
 mailto:softwaredelivery-ca...@efirstbank.com>>
To:'Frank 
Swarbrick'mailto:frank.swarbr...@efirstbank.com>>
Subject: CVSMB13A Missing Debit Card Txns Spreadsheet
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_AxzYADboundry==="

--=_AxzYADboundry===
Content-Type: text/plain;

Body of email goes here...
--=_AxzYADboundry===
Content-Type: application;
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=CVSMB13.adjustments.csv
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit;

/*
//*
//EMAILEXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSINDD DUMMY
//SYSUT1   DD DISP=(OLD,DELETE),DSN=&
// DD DSN=DVFJS.CVSMB13.ADJTRANS,DISP=SHR  CSV attachment
//SYSUT2   DD SYSOUT=(B,SMTP)
// PEND



From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Frank Swarbrick 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:11 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Variable length records for SYSIN data sets

I have a goal to concatenate a data set of variable length records 
(RECFM=VB,LRECL=204) with an instream data set of fixed length characters.  My 
though was to add RECFM=V to my instream DD, i.e.:
//INFILE   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=MY.VB.FILE
// DD *,RECFM=V,LRECL=204

The RECFM is rejected as being conflicting with a SYSIN dataset:
IEFC009I KEYWORD RECFM IS MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE WITH KEYWORD SYSIN ON THE DD 
STATEMENT

And yet the following section of the manual, "SYSIN data set" has discussion of 
SYSIN data sets where "the record format is variable":  
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=ssds-sysin-data-set

But how do I actually make the SYSIN dataset variable length?

I do realize there are probably other options to accomplish my task, but this 
is bugging me.

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Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[Laurence Chiu]

I just received information from IBM directly on the product. Currently
it's on a dark launch in the US only but once that has been sorted out it
will be made available to the rest of the world by the end of the year.

T's include (I was only provided an image of the T's and I can't post
this here since apparently the forum strips out images.  But in essence
they are

*What is it?*
Provide an affordable ZD for individual enterprise developers who want to
develop z/OS skills to be part of the mainframe ecosystem and support them
in their career success

*How*

Offering access to ZD at $120/year to vetted, advanced users for
educational purposes

*Vetting Criteria*

z/OS Practitioner badge and Master the Mainframe training complete

OR

1-3 years of sysadmin or system programmer experience [ I would imagine
most people on this mailing list would easily fall into this category :-) ]

*Targeted Segments*

z/OS students and hobbyists who want a personalised zD for learning
purposes and support their career success.

As an aside,  while most of my  systems programmer experience has been in
DB2, IMS and VM,  I would like to dabble in CICS or if they offer it, look
at parallel sysplex. It's not my current day job and hasn't been for many
moons so it would be great to get back into into for kicks (CICS :-) )

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:41 AM Lionel B. Dyck  wrote:

> The T's's explicitly state that it is to be used for learning and may
> NOT be used for any kind of development - including Open Source.
>
> I've confirmed that with two sources.
>
> Disappointing ☹
>
>
> Lionel B. Dyck <><
> Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
> Github: https://github.com/lbdyck
>
> “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what
> you are, reputation merely what others think you are.”   - - - John Wooden
>
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Re: Performance issues with the FTP API

[Colin Paice]

Not an FTP answer, but the two seconds difference is an age!  I've seen a
problem with long times where it took a long time to establish a session,
because it had a DNS set up problem, and the requests were timing out, and
trying another DNS server which worked.
If you are using abc.xyz.org instead of 10.1.2.3 then try numbers.

Transfer a small file, and do a network trace to see where the time is
being spent.

You mentioned going from a dynamic loaded stub to a static loaded stub went
down from 40 seconds to 31 seconds.   bearing in mind it should take
milliseconds to load a stub - not 10's of seconds something sounds wrong.
Maybe you were doing load stub, unload sub, load stub unload stub etc..if
each of those took 1 ms you may have done 9000 of these to give you the 9
seconds.
Try
load stub..   (load stub, unload stub) * n ..and the final unload .
Once it has been loaded, a second load just increments a use counter.
While use count > 0 it stays resident.  (It needs to be reentrant etc)



On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 at 00:46, Charles Mills  wrote:

> It's not that classic FTP is slow; it's the FTP API that is unexplainably
> slow.
>
> I have some hard numbers now.
>
> The IBM-supplied API sample program takes six elapsed seconds on the
> Dallas z14.
>
> The classic FTP client performing EXACTLY the same transfers from INPUT DD
> * with the same site (our Dallas machine via its IP address) took two
> seconds.
>
> The sample program does a bit of processing of the data -- searching for
> the largest file in the listing returned from DIR /tmp/* -- but that should
> not account for four seconds.
>
> Would love to have an IBMer comment.
>
> Charles
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of kekronbekron
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 9:14 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Performance issues with the FTP API
>
> There was a post within the past year about FTP being slow.
> It came down to reverse DNS lookups I think.
> Just something to look up perhaps.
>
> - KB
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On Wednesday, October 27th, 2021 at 12:03 AM, Charles Mills <
> charl...@mcn.org> wrote:
>
> > Questions for anyone who has used the z/OS FTP API:
> >
> > Are you seeing poor performance? For example, we are seeing FAPI_INIT
> taking
> >
> > about four seconds (whereas the real FTP client starts up almost
> >
> > immediately). We are seeing a sequence of four RMDIR's taking about four
> >
> > seconds (on a local connection where the real FTP client does it
> effectively
> >
> > instantaneously).
> >
> > A particular set of functionality -- start to finish -- takes about seven
> >
> > seconds with the real FTP client. A comparable functionality -- not
> exactly
> >
> > the same, but roughly the same -- takes 31 seconds with the FTP API.
> >
> > Is this what others are seeing? Has anyone discovered any particular
> >
> > gotcha's? The programmer was loading the stub dynamically rather than
> >
> > statically, but fixing that only knocked it down from 40 seconds to 31.
> >
> > This is on a z14 under V2R4.
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