Re: Creating Publications for the IBM Knowledge Center?

[Ed Jaffe]

Lionel,

KC articles are nothing more than Eclipse help plug-ins. It's a 
well-understood format among Java programmers.


We have been delivering our documentation that way since z/OS 2.1 GA and 
KC4z has been embedded in the OS since z/OS 2.2 GA.


If you can't figure out how to create an Eclipse help plug-in, I can put 
you in touch with the person that made it happen for us.


Thanks,

Ed Jaffe

On 2/18/2022 6:27 AM, Lionel B. Dyck wrote:

I'm interested in creating publications that can be hosted by the IBM
Knowledge Center and would like to talk/e-mail within anyone who can provide
me with some guidance.

Thank you


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Creating Publications for the IBM Knowledge Center?

[Lionel B. Dyck]

I'm interested in creating publications that can be hosted by the IBM
Knowledge Center and would like to talk/e-mail within anyone who can provide
me with some guidance.

Thank you


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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

This last instance I was using an internet search tool, it took me to an 
IBM KC page, others in my team were trying to get to the same or other 
doc and had the same issue, I'm not sure HOW they got there but they 
were never redirected to a correct page.


Carmen

On 1/21/2022 6:24 PM, Roger Bolan wrote:

Just a question.  Are you still using old links to the "Knowledge Center"
site or new links to the "IBM Documentation" site?
For example:
Seehttps://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.4.0
for the z/OS 2.40 books.
I have been using the "IBM Documentation" site all day yesterday and today
and haven't noticed any problems.
--Roger

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:36 AM Richards, Robert B. (CTR) <
01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:


I remember doing those tech updates by hand...circa 1985?

-Original Message-
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Of Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:24 PM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books.

to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates
periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the

| update makes and what pages to remove and replace?

taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to
no help with all the products that now encompass the base

I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability
to update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD a
great tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the KC,
last I head that's not working? or de funked?

I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E
or an outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would be
willing to do what's necessary to create a local repository and update any
cfg file to make this happen locally

Carmen



On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote:

To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the
IBM and ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access,
internet or not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc.  And for our
clients, if there is content we do not currently have that you desire,
let us know and we will do our best to obtain that content and add it to

our database.

Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in
as a s/p had QuickRef.  If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time

I left.

I don't know what I would have done without it.  It's almost
impossible to keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software

changes.

Ramsey Hallman
MVS/QuickRef Development
Chicago-Soft, Ltd.

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René
Jansen
wrote:


Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in
which progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s
to everything are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome
to stay updated, by e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the
docs databases. If these were of the tagged variety, we could even
generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be like updating TLS
newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder!

Best regards,

René.

Sent from my iPad


On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom   wrote:

One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs
to

read the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The
document database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and
a supported and stable API interface would be welcome.

Matt Hogstrom
PGP key 0F143BC1


On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans <

03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never
went

down :-) but think of the trees.

Damn ! Am I that old ?

I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Roger Bolan]

Just a question.  Are you still using old links to the "Knowledge Center"
site or new links to the "IBM Documentation" site?
For example:
See https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.4.0
for the z/OS 2.40 books.
I have been using the "IBM Documentation" site all day yesterday and today
and haven't noticed any problems.
--Roger

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:36 AM Richards, Robert B. (CTR) <
01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> I remember doing those tech updates by hand...circa 1985?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> Of Carmen Vitullo
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:24 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>
> not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books.
>
> to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates
> periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the
>
> | update makes and what pages to remove and replace?
>
> taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to
> no help with all the products that now encompass the base
>
> I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability
> to update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD a
> great tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the KC,
> last I head that's not working? or de funked?
>
> I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E
> or an outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would be
> willing to do what's necessary to create a local repository and update any
> cfg file to make this happen locally
>
> Carmen
>
>
>
> On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote:
> > To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the
> > IBM and ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access,
> > internet or not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc.  And for our
> > clients, if there is content we do not currently have that you desire,
> > let us know and we will do our best to obtain that content and add it to
> our database.
> >
> > Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in
> > as a s/p had QuickRef.  If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time
> I left.
> > I don't know what I would have done without it.  It's almost
> > impossible to keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software
> changes.
> >
> > Ramsey Hallman
> > MVS/QuickRef Development
> > Chicago-Soft, Ltd.
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René
> > Jansen
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in
> >> which progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s
> >> to everything are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome
> >> to stay updated, by e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the
> >> docs databases. If these were of the tagged variety, we could even
> >> generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be like updating TLS
> >> newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder!
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> René.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs
> >>> to
> >> read the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The
> >> document database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and
> >> a supported and stable API interface would be welcome.
> >>> Matt Hogstrom
> >>> PGP key 0F143BC1
> >>>
> >>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans <
> >> 03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >>>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
> >>>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
> >>>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never
> >>>> went
> >> down :-) but think of the trees.
> >>>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
> >>>>
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> >>

Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Seymour J Metz]

I'd settle for more complete PDF metadata and an OOREXX package to read them, 
to include

 * Authors when applicable
 * Date
 * Edition
 * Editors when appropriate
 * Form code
 * Title
 * URL for citing


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
René Jansen [rene.vincent.jan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 11:47 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which 
progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything are 
the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by e.g. 
having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these were of the 
tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be 
like updating TLS newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder!

Best regards,

René.

Sent from my iPad

> On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom  wrote:
>
> One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to read 
> the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The document 
> database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and 
> stable API interface would be welcome.
>
> Matt Hogstrom
> PGP key 0F143BC1
>
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans 
>> <03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>>
>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>> :-) but think of the trees.
>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>>
>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
>>
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Seymour J Metz]

I remember independent TNLs hitting the same page, neither including the new 
text of the other. The indexed BM READ collections were a major improvement, 
IMHO, although they messed up diagrams. The PDF manuals should have had 
equivalent functionality, but they're no there yet.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Carmen Vitullo [cvitu...@hughes.net]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:24 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books.

to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates
periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the

| update makes and what pages to remove and replace?

taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to
no help with all the products that now encompass the base

I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability
to update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD
a great tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the
KC, last I head that's not working? or de funked?

I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E
or an outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would
be willing to do what's necessary to create a local repository and
update any cfg file to make this happen locally

Carmen



On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote:
> To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the IBM and
> ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access, internet or
> not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc.  And for our clients, if there is
> content we do not currently have that you desire, let us know and we will
> do our best to obtain that content and add it to our database.
>
> Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in as a
> s/p had QuickRef.  If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time I left.
> I don't know what I would have done without it.  It's almost impossible to
> keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software changes.
>
> Ramsey Hallman
> MVS/QuickRef Development
> Chicago-Soft, Ltd.
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René Jansen
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which
>> progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything
>> are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by
>> e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these
>> were of the tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of
>> these. I would be like updating TLS newsletters without catching your
>> finger in the blue binder!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom  wrote:
>>>
>>> One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to
>> read the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The document
>> database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and
>> stable API interface would be welcome.
>>> Matt Hogstrom
>>> PGP key 0F143BC1
>>>
>>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans <
>> 03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>>>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>>>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>>>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went
>> down :-) but think of the trees.
>>>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>>>>
>>>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
>>>>
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

I have to correct me speeling again :)

*| update marks and what pages to remove and replace? *IIRC Bob, yeah that's 
about right, till about 1998-99 or so
Carmen
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On 1/21/2022 11:35 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

I remember doing those tech updates by hand...circa 1985?

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:24 PM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books.

to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates 
periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the

| update makes and what pages to remove and replace?

taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to no 
help with all the products that now encompass the base

I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability to 
update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD a great 
tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the KC, last I head 
that's not working? or de funked?

I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E or an 
outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would be willing 
to do what's necessary to create a local repository and update any cfg file to 
make this happen locally

Carmen



On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote:

To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the
IBM and ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access,
internet or not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc.  And for our
clients, if there is content we do not currently have that you desire,
let us know and we will do our best to obtain that content and add it to our 
database.

Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in
as a s/p had QuickRef.  If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time I left.
I don't know what I would have done without it.  It's almost
impossible to keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software changes.

Ramsey Hallman
MVS/QuickRef Development
Chicago-Soft, Ltd.

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René
Jansen
wrote:


Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in
which progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s
to everything are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome
to stay updated, by e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the
docs databases. If these were of the tagged variety, we could even
generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be like updating TLS
newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder!

Best regards,

René.

Sent from my iPad


On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom   wrote:

One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs
to

read the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The
document database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and
a supported and stable API interface would be welcome.

Matt Hogstrom
PGP key 0F143BC1


On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans <

03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never
went

down :-) but think of the trees.

Damn ! Am I that old ?

I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Richards, Robert B. (CTR)]

I remember doing those tech updates by hand...circa 1985?

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Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:24 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books.

to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates 
periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the

| update makes and what pages to remove and replace?

taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to no 
help with all the products that now encompass the base

I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability to 
update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD a great 
tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the KC, last I head 
that's not working? or de funked?

I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E or an 
outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would be willing 
to do what's necessary to create a local repository and update any cfg file to 
make this happen locally

Carmen



On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote:
> To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the 
> IBM and ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access, 
> internet or not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc.  And for our 
> clients, if there is content we do not currently have that you desire, 
> let us know and we will do our best to obtain that content and add it to our 
> database.
>
> Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in 
> as a s/p had QuickRef.  If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time I 
> left.
> I don't know what I would have done without it.  It's almost 
> impossible to keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software changes.
>
> Ramsey Hallman
> MVS/QuickRef Development
> Chicago-Soft, Ltd.
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René 
> Jansen
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in 
>> which progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s 
>> to everything are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome 
>> to stay updated, by e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the 
>> docs databases. If these were of the tagged variety, we could even 
>> generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be like updating TLS 
>> newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom  wrote:
>>>
>>> One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs 
>>> to
>> read the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The 
>> document database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and 
>> a supported and stable API interface would be welcome.
>>> Matt Hogstrom
>>> PGP key 0F143BC1
>>>
>>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans <
>> 03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>>>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>>>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>>>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never 
>>>> went
>> down :-) but think of the trees.
>>>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>>>>
>>>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
>>>>
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books.

to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates 
periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the


| update makes and what pages to remove and replace?

taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to 
no help with all the products that now encompass the base


I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability 
to update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD 
a great tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the 
KC, last I head that's not working? or de funked?


I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E 
or an outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would 
be willing to do what's necessary to create a local repository and 
update any cfg file to make this happen locally


Carmen



On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote:

To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the IBM and
ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access, internet or
not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc.  And for our clients, if there is
content we do not currently have that you desire, let us know and we will
do our best to obtain that content and add it to our database.

Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in as a
s/p had QuickRef.  If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time I left.
I don't know what I would have done without it.  It's almost impossible to
keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software changes.

Ramsey Hallman
MVS/QuickRef Development
Chicago-Soft, Ltd.

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René Jansen
wrote:


Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which
progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything
are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by
e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these
were of the tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of
these. I would be like updating TLS newsletters without catching your
finger in the blue binder!

Best regards,

René.

Sent from my iPad


On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom  wrote:

One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to

read the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The document
database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and
stable API interface would be welcome.

Matt Hogstrom
PGP key 0F143BC1


On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans <

03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went

down :-) but think of the trees.

Damn ! Am I that old ?

I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Ramsey Hallman]

To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the IBM and
ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access, internet or
not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc.  And for our clients, if there is
content we do not currently have that you desire, let us know and we will
do our best to obtain that content and add it to our database.

Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in as a
s/p had QuickRef.  If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time I left.
I don't know what I would have done without it.  It's almost impossible to
keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software changes.

Ramsey Hallman
MVS/QuickRef Development
Chicago-Soft, Ltd.

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René Jansen 
wrote:

> Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which
> progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything
> are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by
> e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these
> were of the tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of
> these. I would be like updating TLS newsletters without catching your
> finger in the blue binder!
>
> Best regards,
>
> René.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom  wrote:
> >
> > One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to
> read the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The document
> database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and
> stable API interface would be welcome.
> >
> > Matt Hogstrom
> > PGP key 0F143BC1
> >
> >> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans <
> 03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
> >> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
> >> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went
> down :-) but think of the trees.
> >> Damn ! Am I that old ?
> >>
> >> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
> >>
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Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which 
progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything are 
the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by e.g. 
having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these were of the 
tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be 
like updating TLS newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder!

Best regards,

René.

Sent from my iPad

> On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom  wrote:
> 
> One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to read 
> the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The document 
> database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and 
> stable API interface would be welcome.
> 
> Matt Hogstrom
> PGP key 0F143BC1
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans 
>> <03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>> :-) but think of the trees.
>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>> 
>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
>> 
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[René Jansen]

Speaking about bookmanager - I am right in assuming the Linux version is MIA? I 
was looking into making a Docker container for my older books - to run on the 
Mac actually - but could not find that anymore. Is there a good 
bookmanager—>pdf conversion somewhere?

Best regards,

René.



> On 21 Jan 2022, at 17:06, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
> 
> I also like Book-manager, and agree the search function once the index was 
> built the first time was very good.
> 
> we merged our systems doc using Book-manager build with the book-manager doc 
> and placed that doc on the same Book-manager server...running OS/2 Warp :)
> 
> Carmen
> 
> 
>> On 1/21/2022 9:58 AM, Bob Bridges wrote:
>> I always liked the HTML versions, and much prefer the search facility that 
>> came with those.  But once IBM discontinued them, I bit the bullet and now 
>> have a sizable collection of PDFs.  It's true there's an advantage of being 
>> able to look in them even when my internet connection is down.
>> 
>> ---
>> Bob Bridges,robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>> 
>> /* Often when I'm reading a good book I stop and thank my teacher.  That is 
>> I used to until she got an unlisted number. */
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
>> Hank Oerlemans
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 17:18
>> 
>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>> :-) but think of the trees.
>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>> 
>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
>> 
>> --
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> but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody 
> that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him 
> when he goes wrong. *Abraham Lincoln*/
> 
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

I also like Book-manager, and agree the search function once the index 
was built the first time was very good.


we merged our systems doc using Book-manager build with the book-manager 
doc and placed that doc on the same Book-manager server...running OS/2 
Warp :)


Carmen


On 1/21/2022 9:58 AM, Bob Bridges wrote:

I always liked the HTML versions, and much prefer the search facility that came 
with those.  But once IBM discontinued them, I bit the bullet and now have a 
sizable collection of PDFs.  It's true there's an advantage of being able to 
look in them even when my internet connection is down.

---
Bob Bridges,robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313

/* Often when I'm reading a good book I stop and thank my teacher.  That is I 
used to until she got an unlisted number. */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 17:18

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
but think of the trees.
Damn ! Am I that old ?

I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.

--
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with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, 
and part with him when he goes wrong. *Abraham Lincoln*/


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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Bob Bridges]

I always liked the HTML versions, and much prefer the search facility that came 
with those.  But once IBM discontinued them, I bit the bullet and now have a 
sizable collection of PDFs.  It's true there's an advantage of being able to 
look in them even when my internet connection is down.

---
Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313

/* Often when I'm reading a good book I stop and thank my teacher.  That is I 
used to until she got an unlisted number. */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 17:18

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
but think of the trees.
Damn ! Am I that old ?

I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.

--
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

good point, and normally not inserted unless I know I've loaded new 
content that I want to save and I use the last USB port on the front of 
this tower to recharge my wireless ear pods :)



On 1/21/2022 9:31 AM, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:

I'd suggest to remove the stick. And insert it only when doing backup.
Reason: cyber resiliency. Ransomware could destroy content of both 
your primary HDD/SSD and backup device.


And it's worth to have two (or more) devices. And round robin.

I did it.
My backup space is IMHO huge - approx. 70GB. So I use regular HDD in 
external case, USB attached.
However incremental backup takes approx. 4-5 minutes. Yes, I have a 
lot of pictures, PDFs, etc. But I do not modify majority of these 
pictures. The most of time spent for backup is checking directiories 
against content change. (Of course it's scripted).



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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

I'd suggest to remove the stick. And insert it only when doing backup.
Reason: cyber resiliency. Ransomware could destroy content of both your 
primary HDD/SSD and backup device.


And it's worth to have two (or more) devices. And round robin.

I did it.
My backup space is IMHO huge - approx. 70GB. So I use regular HDD in 
external case, USB attached.
However incremental backup takes approx. 4-5 minutes. Yes, I have a lot 
of pictures, PDFs, etc. But I do not modify majority of these pictures. 
The most of time spent for backup is checking directiories against 
content change. (Of course it's scripted).


--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland




W dniu 21.01.2022 o 16:12, Carmen Vitullo pisze:
indeed, that's why I still use this Desktop, but my hard drive is 
still a 1tb spinner :(


I have my USB stick loaded all the time and run incremental backups 
daily. my last PC had a disk controller failure and I ALMOST lost all 
my doc/pictures


and NO - I'm not going to any cloud :)

Carmen

On 1/21/2022 9:05 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
A home computer is a device with a comfortable keyboard, a decent 
pointing device and a large* UHD monitor. Of course, a 2 TB or larger 
SSD wouldn't hurt.


* FSVO large that grows every year.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on 
behalf of Richards, Robert B. (CTR) 
[01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]

Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:58 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Our company PC's and Laptops are also disabled, but I was making a 
point, albeit poorly, to be careful with USB sticks these days.


What's a home PC these days? My only laptop is old and hasn't been 
booted in years. iPads and iPhones and Watches are the rage in my 
house. 


Bob

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo

Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:50 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on 
company PC's and Laptops :(


Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.

Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work 
computer. Just ask the Iranians.


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On
Behalf Of René Jansen
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the 
manuals, people!


You might not have external internet access when it all goes 
sideways. In fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which 
you would want, very bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link 
infested crap that is an absolute showcase of how not to provide 
documentation, or build websites using active content, for that 
matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and 
reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no 
‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based 
emulators.


Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have 
generational copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the 
pdf file on a modern high res screen is a showcase of modern 
technology, the website is not.


Best regards,

René.



On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo   wrote:

I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index 
page was intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some 
links to where you want to go, mostly due to performance, the 
faster the page loads the better, no glitter, pictures or 
unnecessary icons.


the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of 
my team members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike 
Myers) ! otherwise it was all hand coded.



Carmen


On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web 
page design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, 
performance, reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., 
credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog 
standard to not tell the user the required format and to reject 
valid characters.


Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
behalf of Allan Staller
[0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available 
as those the are replacing

Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Matt Hogstrom]

One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to read the 
IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The document database 
assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and stable API 
interface would be welcome.

Matt Hogstrom
PGP key 0F143BC1

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans 
> <03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
> but think of the trees.
> Damn ! Am I that old ?
> 
> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
> 
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Matt Hogstrom]

I understand why companies are providing and locking down their laptops.  They 
connect to the company network and can easily infect other systems.  The most 
annoying feature is the lack of ability to plug in external storage (not just 
USBs).  The answer is push everything to the cloud.  

I’ve seen too many cases where one person is not diligent and causes the most 
harm so the answer is lock down everything and deal with exceptions; which are 
few and far between.

Matt Hogstrom
PGP key 0F143BC1

> On Jan 21, 2022, at 09:50, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
> 
> for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on 
> company PC's and Laptops :(
> 
> Carmen
> 
>> On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:
>> I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.
>> 
>> Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work 
>> computer. Just ask the Iranians.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
>> René Jansen
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM
>> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>> 
>> My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, 
>> people!
>> 
>> You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In 
>> fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very 
>> bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an 
>> absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites 
>> using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online 
>> of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, 
>> and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based 
>> emulators.
>> 
>> Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.
>> 
>> My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
>> copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
>> high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> René.
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
>>> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you 
>>> want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the 
>>> better, no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.
>>> 
>>> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
>>> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! 
>>> otherwise it was all hand coded.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Carmen
>>> 
>>>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>>>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page 
>>>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, 
>>>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, 
>>>> e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the 
>>>> user the required format and to reject valid characters.
>>>> 
>>>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>>>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
>>>> behalf of Allan Staller
>>>> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>>> 
>>>> Classification: Confidential
>>>> 
>>>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those 
>>>> the are replacing.
>>>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On
>>>> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>>> 
>>>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you
>>>> trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be
>>>>

Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

indeed, that's why I still use this Desktop, but my hard drive is still 
a 1tb spinner :(


I have my USB stick loaded all the time and run incremental backups 
daily. my last PC had a disk controller failure and I ALMOST lost all my 
doc/pictures


and NO - I'm not going to any cloud :)

Carmen

On 1/21/2022 9:05 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

A home computer is a device with a comfortable keyboard, a decent pointing 
device and a large* UHD monitor. Of course, a 2 TB or larger SSD wouldn't hurt.

* FSVO large that grows every year.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Richards, Robert B. (CTR) [01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:58 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Our company PC's and Laptops are also disabled, but I was making a point, 
albeit poorly, to be careful with USB sticks these days.

What's a home PC these days? My only laptop is old and hasn't been booted in 
years. iPads and iPhones and Watches are the rage in my house. 

Bob

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:50 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on company 
PC's and Laptops :(

Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.

Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
Just ask the Iranians.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On
Behalf Of René Jansen
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people!

You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, 
that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access 
to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase 
of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, 
for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, 
provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on 
deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators.

Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.

Best regards,

René.



On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo   wrote:

I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want 
to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no 
glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.

the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise 
it was all hand coded.


Carmen


On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. 
Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take 
entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, 
ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to 
reject valid characters.

Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
behalf of Allan Staller
[0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the 
are replacing.
I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion ListOn
Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you
trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be
a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise
your Computer.]

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
but think of the trees.
Damn ! Am I that old ?

Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

LOL!

my home desktop tower, is an HP Pavilion, 4G of memory, a 2.4 GHZ AMD 
processor chip running winders 10 64bit


not winders 11 compatable, but it still runs

Carmen


On 1/21/2022 8:58 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

Our company PC's and Laptops are also disabled, but I was making a point, 
albeit poorly, to be careful with USB sticks these days.

What's a home PC these days? My only laptop is old and hasn't been booted in 
years. iPads and iPhones and Watches are the rage in my house. 

Bob

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:50 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on company 
PC's and Laptops :(

Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.

Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
Just ask the Iranians.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On
Behalf Of René Jansen
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people!

You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, 
that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access 
to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase 
of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, 
for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, 
provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on 
deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators.

Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.

Best regards,

René.



On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo   wrote:

I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want 
to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no 
glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.

the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise 
it was all hand coded.


Carmen


On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. 
Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take 
entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, 
ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to 
reject valid characters.

Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
behalf of Allan Staller
[0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the 
are replacing.
I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion ListOn
Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you
trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be
a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise
your Computer.]

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
but think of the trees.
Damn ! Am I that old ?

I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.


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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Seymour J Metz]

A home computer is a device with a comfortable keyboard, a decent pointing 
device and a large* UHD monitor. Of course, a 2 TB or larger SSD wouldn't hurt.

* FSVO large that grows every year.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Richards, Robert B. (CTR) [01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:58 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Our company PC's and Laptops are also disabled, but I was making a point, 
albeit poorly, to be careful with USB sticks these days.

What's a home PC these days? My only laptop is old and hasn't been booted in 
years. iPads and iPhones and Watches are the rage in my house. 

Bob

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on company 
PC's and Laptops :(

Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:
> I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.
>
> Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
> Just ask the Iranians.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of René Jansen
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>
> My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, 
> people!
>
> You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In 
> fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very 
> bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an 
> absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites 
> using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online 
> of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, 
> and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based 
> emulators.
>
> Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.
>
> My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
> copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
> high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René.
>
>
>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
>>
>> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
>> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you 
>> want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, 
>> no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.
>>
>> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
>> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! 
>> otherwise it was all hand coded.
>>
>>
>> Carmen
>>
>>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page 
>>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, 
>>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, 
>>> e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user 
>>> the required format and to reject valid characters.
>>>
>>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
>>> behalf of Allan Staller
>>> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>>
>>> Classification: Confidential
>>>
>>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those 
>>> the are replacing.
>>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On
>>> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>>
>>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the

Plan B for the Internet - Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Nash, Jonathan S.]

This reminds me of the TED talk by Danny Hillis 
(who is from Baltimore)

https://www.ted.com/talks/danny_hillis_the_internet_could_crash_we_need_a_plan_b


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
René Jansen
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject:Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people!

You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, 
that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access 
to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase 
of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, 
for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, 
provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on 
deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators.

Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.

Best regards,

René.


> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
> 
> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want 
> to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no 
> glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.
> 
> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! 
> otherwise it was all hand coded.
> 
> 
> Carmen
> 
>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page 
>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, 
>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail 
>> addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the 
>> required format and to reject valid characters.
>> 
>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>> 
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
>> Allan Staller [00000387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM
>> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>> 
>> Classification: Confidential
>> 
>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those 
>> the are replacing.
>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
>> Hank Oerlemans
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM
>> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>> 
>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
>> sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
>> which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]
>> 
>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>> :-) but think of the trees.
>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>> 
>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
>> 
>> --
>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email 
>> tolists...@listserv.ua.edu  with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

I have all the 2.3 and 2.3 z/OS and products doc on our company share, 
my issue was my co-worker was working with the IBM DEBUG team and a new 
parm was provided for COBOL that aided in debug was not in this original 
doc.


I'd have to check my holddata for any hold actions for DOC that I may 
have missed.


something I normally do is send the update for AO and DOC to the team, 
since support for COBOL was moved to me just recently, I'm sure it was 
something I overlooked


thanks

Carmen


On 1/21/2022 8:55 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

Download to a network on your work PC. If you are paranoid* then make local 
copies of the most critical. At today's disk and SSD prices, it's a lot more 
affordable than it used to be.

* Even paranoids have real enemies.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Carmen Vitullo [cvitu...@hughes.net]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:49 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on
company PC's and Laptops :(

Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.

Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
Just ask the Iranians.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On Behalf Of 
René Jansen
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people!

You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, 
that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access 
to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase 
of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, 
for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, 
provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on 
deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators.

Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.

Best regards,

René.



On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo   wrote:

I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want 
to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no 
glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.

the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise 
it was all hand coded.


Carmen


On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. 
Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take 
entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, 
ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to 
reject valid characters.

Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
behalf of Allan Staller
[0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the 
are replacing.
I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion ListOn
Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you
trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be
a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise
your Computer.]

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
but think of the trees.
Damn ! Am I that old ?

I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.

-
- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
sendemailtolists...@listserv.ua.eduwith the message: INFO
IBM-MAIN
::DISCLAIMER::
_

Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Richards, Robert B. (CTR)]

Our company PC's and Laptops are also disabled, but I was making a point, 
albeit poorly, to be careful with USB sticks these days.

What's a home PC these days? My only laptop is old and hasn't been booted in 
years. iPads and iPhones and Watches are the rage in my house. 

Bob 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on company 
PC's and Laptops :(

Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:
> I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.
>
> Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
> Just ask the Iranians.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> Behalf Of René Jansen
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>
> My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, 
> people!
>
> You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In 
> fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very 
> bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an 
> absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites 
> using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online 
> of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, 
> and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based 
> emulators.
>
> Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.
>
> My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
> copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
> high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René.
>
>
>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
>>
>> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
>> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you 
>> want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, 
>> no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.
>>
>> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
>> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! 
>> otherwise it was all hand coded.
>>
>>
>> Carmen
>>
>>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page 
>>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, 
>>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, 
>>> e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user 
>>> the required format and to reject valid characters.
>>>
>>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on 
>>> behalf of Allan Staller 
>>> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>>
>>> Classification: Confidential
>>>
>>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those 
>>> the are replacing.
>>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On
>>> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>>
>>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you 
>>> trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be 
>>> a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise 
>>> your Computer.]
>>>
>>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>>> :-) but think of the trees.
>>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>>>
>>> I'm gonna download the pdf 

Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Seymour J Metz]

Download to a network on your work PC. If you are paranoid* then make local 
copies of the most critical. At today's disk and SSD prices, it's a lot more 
affordable than it used to be.

* Even paranoids have real enemies.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Carmen Vitullo [cvitu...@hughes.net]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:49 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on
company PC's and Laptops :(

Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:
> I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.
>
> Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
> Just ask the Iranians.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
> René Jansen
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM
> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>
> My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, 
> people!
>
> You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In 
> fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very 
> bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an 
> absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites 
> using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online 
> of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, 
> and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based 
> emulators.
>
> Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.
>
> My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
> copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
> high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René.
>
>
>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
>>
>> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
>> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you 
>> want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, 
>> no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.
>>
>> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
>> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! 
>> otherwise it was all hand coded.
>>
>>
>> Carmen
>>
>>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page 
>>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, 
>>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, 
>>> e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user 
>>> the required format and to reject valid characters.
>>>
>>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
>>> behalf of Allan Staller
>>> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>>
>>> Classification: Confidential
>>>
>>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those 
>>> the are replacing.
>>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On
>>> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>>
>>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you
>>> trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be
>>> a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise
>>> your Computer.]
>>>
>>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>>> :-) but think of the trees.
>>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
&g

Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[René Jansen]

Of course. I am very biased against company provided laptops. Also, using your 
own for the docs provides the extra screen real estate, and - most of the time 
- better resolution needed for reading comfort.

Of course my machines have an up to date copy of the stick on SSD. And when a 
company has sensible VPN access, a better 3270 emulator.

@Carmen - having an undocumented parm for COBOL deserves an immediate 
Documentation APAR. Paying for software means having supported documentation, 
which is up to date. Please ask them in the APAR to have synchronised sources 
for the PDF and the website, where the PDF is the primary output. I am not sure 
what is happening to IBM. Is COBOL now also outsourced?

Best regards,

René.

Sent from my iPad

> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:47, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) 
> <01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC. 
> 
> Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
> Just ask the Iranians.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
> René Jansen
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
> 
> My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, 
> people!
> 
> You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In 
> fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very 
> bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an 
> absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites 
> using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online 
> of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, 
> and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based 
> emulators.
> 
> Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.
> 
> My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
> copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
> high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> René.
> 
> 
>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
>> 
>> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
>> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you 
>> want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, 
>> no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.
>> 
>> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
>> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! 
>> otherwise it was all hand coded.
>> 
>> 
>> Carmen
>> 
>>>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page 
>>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, 
>>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, 
>>> e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user 
>>> the required format and to reject valid characters.
>>> 
>>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on 
>>> behalf of Allan Staller 
>>> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>> 
>>> Classification: Confidential
>>> 
>>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those 
>>> the are replacing.
>>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
>>> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>> 
>>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you 
>>> trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be 
>>> a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise 
>>> your Computer.]
>>> 
>>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>>> Just when it

Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on 
company PC's and Laptops :(


Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.

Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
Just ask the Iranians.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
René Jansen
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people!

You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, 
that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access 
to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase 
of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, 
for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, 
provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on 
deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators.

Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.

Best regards,

René.



On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:

I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want 
to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no 
glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.

the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise 
it was all hand coded.


Carmen


On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. 
Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take 
entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, 
ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to 
reject valid characters.

Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
behalf of Allan Staller
[0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the 
are replacing.
I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On
Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you
trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be
a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise
your Computer.]

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
but think of the trees.
Damn ! Am I that old ?

I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Richards, Robert B. (CTR)]

I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC. 

Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
Just ask the Iranians.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
René Jansen
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people!

You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, 
that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access 
to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase 
of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, 
for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, 
provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on 
deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators.

Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.

Best regards,

René.


> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
> 
> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want 
> to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no 
> glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.
> 
> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! 
> otherwise it was all hand coded.
> 
> 
> Carmen
> 
>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page 
>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, 
>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail 
>> addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the 
>> required format and to reject valid characters.
>> 
>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>> 
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on 
>> behalf of Allan Staller 
>> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>> 
>> Classification: Confidential
>> 
>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those 
>> the are replacing.
>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
>> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>> 
>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you 
>> trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be 
>> a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise 
>> your Computer.]
>> 
>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>> :-) but think of the trees.
>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>> 
>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
>> 
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

+1

good point, in my case, a new COBOL parm, not documented in the doc we 
had downloaded was not provided thus the need to get up to date content.


do we now need to mimic what SMP/E does for system maint and holddata 
and run a ORDER from server to make sure we have up to date, valid content?


Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:40 AM, René Jansen wrote:

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people!

You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, 
that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access 
to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase 
of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, 
for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, 
provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on 
deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators.

Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.

Best regards,

René.



On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:

I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want 
to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no 
glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.

the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise 
it was all hand coded.


Carmen


On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. 
Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take 
entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, 
ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to 
reject valid characters.

Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Allan Staller [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the 
are replacing.
I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On Behalf Of 
Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
but think of the trees.
Damn ! Am I that old ?

I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[René Jansen]

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people!

You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, 
that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access 
to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase 
of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, 
for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, 
provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on 
deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators.

Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.

Best regards,

René.


> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
> 
> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want 
> to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no 
> glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.
> 
> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! 
> otherwise it was all hand coded.
> 
> 
> Carmen
> 
>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page 
>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, 
>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail 
>> addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the 
>> required format and to reject valid characters.
>> 
>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>> 
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
>> Allan Staller [00000387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM
>> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>> 
>> Classification: Confidential
>> 
>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those 
>> the are replacing.
>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
>> Hank Oerlemans
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM
>> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>> 
>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
>> sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
>> which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]
>> 
>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>> :-) but think of the trees.
>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>> 
>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
>> 
>> --
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you 
want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the 
better, no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.


the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my 
team members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) 
! otherwise it was all hand coded.



Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. 
Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take 
entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, 
ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to 
reject valid characters.

Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Allan Staller [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the 
are replacing.
I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Seymour J Metz]

It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. 
Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take 
entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, 
ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to 
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Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.


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The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the 
are replacing.
I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Colin Paice]

I wonder if IBM realises that these tools showcase IBM products.  Do I want
tools and products like this to run my business?

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Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the 
are replacing.
I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Hank Oerlemans]

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

Another new Doc site :(  ?

thank you Kolusu, but why can't IBM redirect me to the new site?

IIRC some time back a redirect from IBM sent me to a page that told me 
to save the new linkthen I was redirected automagically


Carmen


On 1/20/2022 2:15 PM, Sri h Kolusu wrote:

Carmen,

Try using the new docs site

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/products

Thanks,
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Mike Shaw]

That was down earlier this morning also. It is up now.

Mike Shaw
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Carmen,

Try using the new docs site

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/products

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

Exactly what I needed Peter, thanks again for your help

Carmen

On 1/20/2022 1:50 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:

For just the COBOL manuals, this link is working for me from my work machine:

https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/enterprise-cobol-zos-documentation-library

HTH

Peter

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:( - ok thanks for checking Mike

Carmen

On 1/20/2022 12:57 PM, Mike Shaw wrote:

Same here. Most KC links have been broken for several hours today.

Mike Shaw
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On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 1:36 PM Carmen Vitullo   wrote:


I have all my doc for z/os and products local, but I'm looking for
some new doc for Enterprise Cobol 6.2, someone was asking for new
options? and I cannot get the IBM's KC from work or home Carmen

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[Carmen Vitullo]

thanks Peter, I'll check it out

Carmen

On 1/20/2022 1:50 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:

For just the COBOL manuals, this link is working for me from my work machine:

https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/enterprise-cobol-zos-documentation-library

HTH

Peter

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:( - ok thanks for checking Mike

Carmen

On 1/20/2022 12:57 PM, Mike Shaw wrote:

Same here. Most KC links have been broken for several hours today.

Mike Shaw
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On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 1:36 PM Carmen Vitullo   wrote:


I have all my doc for z/os and products local, but I'm looking for
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For just the COBOL manuals, this link is working for me from my work machine:

https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/enterprise-cobol-zos-documentation-library

HTH

Peter

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:( - ok thanks for checking Mike

Carmen

On 1/20/2022 12:57 PM, Mike Shaw wrote:
> Same here. Most KC links have been broken for several hours today.
>
> Mike Shaw
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> Chicago-Soft, Ltd.
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> On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 1:36 PM Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
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>> some new doc for Enterprise Cobol 6.2, someone was asking for new 
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[Carmen Vitullo]

:( - ok thanks for checking Mike

Carmen

On 1/20/2022 12:57 PM, Mike Shaw wrote:

Same here. Most KC links have been broken for several hours today.

Mike Shaw
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On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 1:36 PM Carmen Vitullo  wrote:


I have all my doc for z/os and products local, but I'm looking for some
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Same here. Most KC links have been broken for several hours today.

Mike Shaw
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On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 1:36 PM Carmen Vitullo  wrote:

> I have all my doc for z/os and products local, but I'm looking for some
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> Carmen
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[Carmen Vitullo]

I have all my doc for z/os and products local, but I'm looking for some new doc 
for Enterprise Cobol 6.2, someone was asking for new options? and I cannot get 
the IBM's KC from work or home 
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Knowledge center PDFs

[James Cradesh]

I am able to serve multiple vendor's pdf books via Library Server. Since LS is 
going away I got the KC up and running but I can't seem to get it to serve up 
any books other than knowledge center content.  Can anyone point me in the 
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Re: Knowledge Center ...

[Randy Hoekstra]

Justified my investment in installing and configuring KC4z. z/OS doc pretty 
straightforward except for the surprise change in doc source. CICS not so much 
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Re: Knowledge Center ...

[Ed Jaffe]

On 8/5/2020 3:39 PM, Gibney, Dave wrote:

Same infrastructure as Virtual SHARE? :) g,d


I was wondering about that myself ... ;-)

What are the odds?

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Re: Knowledge Center ...

[Steve Smith]

I've heard that there are some server problems, and they are working on it
(and have been all day).

Can't say why they provide no backup, or information to customers.

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Same infrastructure as Virtual SHARE? :) g,d

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Re: Knowledge Center ...

[Steve Horein]

I had *some *luck with using Google, and filetype:pdf along with my search
terms, such as "IMS Messages and Codes" or "adduser syntax".

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Re: Knowledge Center ...

[Charles Mills]

This from a company that wants us to move our processing to their cloud ...

Charles


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Been trying to get to some COBOL V6.3 links and just keep timing out


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... has been down all day long for us.

Anyone else have it running? Are there alternate URLs?

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Re: Knowledge Center ...

[Lizette Koehler]

Been trying to get to some COBOL V6.3 links and just keep timing out


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... has been down all day long for us.

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... has been down all day long for us.

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Re: ads on Knowledge Center?

[Jack J. Woehr]

On 6/2/2019 9:16 AM, Steve Horein wrote:

I think my disappoint lies in that IBM, a leading tech company that
provides IT services, outsources this service.
I am guessing that it is cheaper for IBM, but I had always thought of IBM
in terms of striving for quality and not cost.


If IBM is economizing, it's to put the money where it really counts, 
e.g., into IBM Q , which is the future.


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[Steve Horein]

I think my disappoint lies in that IBM, a leading tech company that
provides IT services, outsources this service.
I am guessing that it is cheaper for IBM, but I had always thought of IBM
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Re: ads on Knowledge Center?

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Susan Shumway wrote:

>Yikes, thanks for the notice! We alerted the KC folks and they confirmed that 
>it's a glitch with DISQUS. They disabled the functionality until a fix is 
>found. 

Thanks Susan! Much appreciated.

I did not have time to check why my browsers are different (showing ads or 
not), but as soon as I see this glitch again, I will then compare these 
browsers.

At least this will spare all of us unneeded bandwidth. 

Thanks again! ;-)

Groete / Greetings
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Re: [External] Re: ads on Knowledge Center?

[Ronald Kristel]

Thank you Sue. Much appreciated!!

Ronald Kristel

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Thanks, Sue, for all you do to keep the documentation usable.  :-)

Rex

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Hi all,

Yikes, thanks for the notice! We alerted the KC folks and they confirmed that 
it's a glitch with DISQUS. They disabled the functionality until a fix is 
found. Unfortunately, you'll now need to look elsewhere if you want links to 
learn how to "Forget Your 401K if you Own a Home (Do This)."

Yours truly,
Sue Shumway

Thanks for alerting us!
On 5/31/2019 4:58 AM, Ronald Kristel wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is anyone else also getting ads in Knowledge Center?
>
> https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zo
> s.v2r3.adru000/r2321.htm
>
> This page for example shows a dozen ads that seems to be part of the 
> DISQUS/forum plugin at the bottom of the page.
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Re: [External] Re: ads on Knowledge Center?

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Thanks, Sue, for all you do to keep the documentation usable.  :-)

Rex

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Subject: [External] Re: ads on Knowledge Center?

Hi all,

Yikes, thanks for the notice! We alerted the KC folks and they confirmed that 
it's a glitch with DISQUS. They disabled the functionality until a fix is 
found. Unfortunately, you'll now need to look elsewhere if you want links to 
learn how to "Forget Your 401K if you Own a Home (Do This)."

Yours truly,
Sue Shumway

Thanks for alerting us!
On 5/31/2019 4:58 AM, Ronald Kristel wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is anyone else also getting ads in Knowledge Center?
> 
> https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zo
> s.v2r3.adru000/r2321.htm
> 
> This page for example shows a dozen ads that seems to be part of the 
> DISQUS/forum plugin at the bottom of the page.
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Re: ads on Knowledge Center?

[Susan Shumway]

Hi all,

Yikes, thanks for the notice! We alerted the KC folks and they confirmed 
that it's a glitch with DISQUS. They disabled the functionality until a 
fix is found. Unfortunately, you'll now need to look elsewhere if you 
want links to learn how to "Forget Your 401K if you Own a Home (Do This)."


Yours truly,
Sue Shumway

Thanks for alerting us!
On 5/31/2019 4:58 AM, Ronald Kristel wrote:

Hi,

Is anyone else also getting ads in Knowledge Center?

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.adru000/r2321.htm

This page for example shows a dozen ads that seems to be part of the 
DISQUS/forum plugin at the bottom of the page.

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Re: ads on Knowledge Center?

[Steve Horein]

Yes, I'm seeing it too,
I hate seeing the direction IBM continues to move in.


On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 3:59 AM Ronald Kristel 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is anyone else also getting ads in Knowledge Center?
>
>
> https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.adru000/r2321.htm
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[Ronald Kristel]

Hi,

Is anyone else also getting ads in Knowledge Center? 

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.adru000/r2321.htm
 

This page for example shows a dozen ads that seems to be part of the 
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Re: Knowledge Center bugs getting creative

[Susan Shumway]

Update: The coders already know about and are working on the issue, so 
it should be fixed soon.


-Sue Shumway


On 09/21/17 11:29 AM, Susan Shumway wrote:
Thanks, Chris. I notified the coders just in case it's something that 
they can tweak on the KC end.


-Sue Shumway


On 09/20/17 12:53 PM, Webster, Chris wrote:
I have seen the spinning TOC as well.  Happened last month.  I will 
take a video if it happens again.


...chris.

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Sent: September-20-17 6:45 AM
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Subject: Re: Knowledge Center bugs getting creative

Wow, that was more entertaining than a screaming goat video! Good idea
re: the potential culprit. Let me know if it happens again and I'll 
alert the coders.


-Sue Shumway

On 09/20/17 7:25 AM, Ambros, Thomas wrote:
Could be worse.  You could be dealing with another vendor's support 
site that just got redesigned and now you can't search for a PTF by 
its id if you want to download it.  They removed the capability.  
Restoring the function is called an 'enhancement' with no timetable 
for correction.


That said, the day pdfs are no longer available and I have to use 
Knowledge Center exclusively is the day I retire early and I don't 
care if I am forced to live on leaves and insects.


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On 20/09/2017 4:27 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:

I'm in the northern hemisphere, and my table of contents is spinning,
but in the opposite direction!

Ok, not really.  I don't see any problem.

It only happened the once. I think it must have been a timing thing 
with the code to create the spinner while the TOC loads, I guess it 
spun the wrong thing.


If someone tried to report it as a bug they'd be asked what they were 
on I think. I had a bit of trouble believing it myself - it was only 
the next time when I saw the real spinner that I guessed what might 
be happening.


A good lesson for developers though - no matter how crazy a bug 
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Re: Knowledge Center bugs getting creative

[Susan Shumway]

Thanks, Chris. I notified the coders just in case it's something that 
they can tweak on the KC end.


-Sue Shumway


On 09/20/17 12:53 PM, Webster, Chris wrote:

I have seen the spinning TOC as well.  Happened last month.  I will take a 
video if it happens again.

...chris.

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Sent: September-20-17 6:45 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Knowledge Center bugs getting creative

Wow, that was more entertaining than a screaming goat video! Good idea
re: the potential culprit. Let me know if it happens again and I'll alert the 
coders.

-Sue Shumway

On 09/20/17 7:25 AM, Ambros, Thomas wrote:

Could be worse.  You could be dealing with another vendor's support site that 
just got redesigned and now you can't search for a PTF by its id if you want to 
download it.  They removed the capability.  Restoring the function is called an 
'enhancement' with no timetable for correction.

That said, the day pdfs are no longer available and I have to use Knowledge 
Center exclusively is the day I retire early and I don't care if I am forced to 
live on leaves and insects.

Thomas Ambros
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Subject: Re: Knowledge Center bugs getting creative

On 20/09/2017 4:27 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:

I'm in the northern hemisphere, and my table of contents is spinning,
but in the opposite direction!

Ok, not really.  I don't see any problem.


It only happened the once. I think it must have been a timing thing with the 
code to create the spinner while the TOC loads, I guess it spun the wrong thing.

If someone tried to report it as a bug they'd be asked what they were on I 
think. I had a bit of trouble believing it myself - it was only the next time 
when I saw the real spinner that I guessed what might be happening.

A good lesson for developers though - no matter how crazy a bug description 
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I have seen the spinning TOC as well.  Happened last month.  I will take a 
video if it happens again.

...chris.

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Sent: September-20-17 6:45 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Knowledge Center bugs getting creative

Wow, that was more entertaining than a screaming goat video! Good idea
re: the potential culprit. Let me know if it happens again and I'll alert the 
coders.

-Sue Shumway

On 09/20/17 7:25 AM, Ambros, Thomas wrote:
> Could be worse.  You could be dealing with another vendor's support site that 
> just got redesigned and now you can't search for a PTF by its id if you want 
> to download it.  They removed the capability.  Restoring the function is 
> called an 'enhancement' with no timetable for correction.
> 
> That said, the day pdfs are no longer available and I have to use Knowledge 
> Center exclusively is the day I retire early and I don't care if I am forced 
> to live on leaves and insects.
> 
> Thomas Ambros
> zEnterprise Operating Systems
> zEnterprise Systems Management
> 518-436-6433
> 
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Andrew Rowley
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 03:22
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Knowledge Center bugs getting creative
> 
> On 20/09/2017 4:27 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:
>> I'm in the northern hemisphere, and my table of contents is spinning, 
>> but in the opposite direction!
>>
>> Ok, not really.  I don't see any problem.
>>
> It only happened the once. I think it must have been a timing thing with the 
> code to create the spinner while the TOC loads, I guess it spun the wrong 
> thing.
> 
> If someone tried to report it as a bug they'd be asked what they were on I 
> think. I had a bit of trouble believing it myself - it was only the next time 
> when I saw the real spinner that I guessed what might be happening.
> 
> A good lesson for developers though - no matter how crazy a bug description 
> sounds, it doesn't mean it's not real.
> 
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Re: Knowledge Center bugs getting creative

[Roger Bolan]

More creative?  Yes. Bug? No.  Somehow that just feels to me like a
deliberate trick instead of a bug.  Something in the JavaScript or other
code.  It also seems more likely to be in the browser than the server to
me.  Check Google for ways to make web pages spin or rotate.

On Sep 19, 2017 11:34 PM, "Andrew Rowley" <and...@blackhillsoftware.com>
wrote:

> Knowledge Center bugs are getting more creative. I found the whole TOC
> spinning today:
>
> https://twitter.com/AndrewRowley10/status/910374514252484615
>
> (Why CICS 3.1.0? Because that's what the Google link led to.)
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Wow, that was more entertaining than a screaming goat video! Good idea 
re: the potential culprit. Let me know if it happens again and I'll 
alert the coders.


-Sue Shumway

On 09/20/17 7:25 AM, Ambros, Thomas wrote:

Could be worse.  You could be dealing with another vendor's support site that 
just got redesigned and now you can't search for a PTF by its id if you want to 
download it.  They removed the capability.  Restoring the function is called an 
'enhancement' with no timetable for correction.

That said, the day pdfs are no longer available and I have to use Knowledge 
Center exclusively is the day I retire early and I don't care if I am forced to 
live on leaves and insects.

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Subject: Re: Knowledge Center bugs getting creative

On 20/09/2017 4:27 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:

I'm in the northern hemisphere, and my table of contents is spinning,
but in the opposite direction!

Ok, not really.  I don't see any problem.


It only happened the once. I think it must have been a timing thing with the 
code to create the spinner while the TOC loads, I guess it spun the wrong thing.

If someone tried to report it as a bug they'd be asked what they were on I 
think. I had a bit of trouble believing it myself - it was only the next time 
when I saw the real spinner that I guessed what might be happening.

A good lesson for developers though - no matter how crazy a bug description 
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Re: Knowledge Center bugs getting creative

[Allan Staller]

Standard refrain:

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as the "old 
tools" they are replacing.

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Knowledge Center bugs are getting more creative. I found the whole TOC 
spinning today:

https://twitter.com/AndrewRowley10/status/910374514252484615

(Why CICS 3.1.0? Because that's what the Google link led to.)

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[Ambros, Thomas]

Could be worse.  You could be dealing with another vendor's support site that 
just got redesigned and now you can't search for a PTF by its id if you want to 
download it.  They removed the capability.  Restoring the function is called an 
'enhancement' with no timetable for correction. 

That said, the day pdfs are no longer available and I have to use Knowledge 
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On 20/09/2017 4:27 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:
> I'm in the northern hemisphere, and my table of contents is spinning, 
> but in the opposite direction!
>
> Ok, not really.  I don't see any problem.
>
It only happened the once. I think it must have been a timing thing with the 
code to create the spinner while the TOC loads, I guess it spun the wrong thing.

If someone tried to report it as a bug they'd be asked what they were on I 
think. I had a bit of trouble believing it myself - it was only the next time 
when I saw the real spinner that I guessed what might be happening.

A good lesson for developers though - no matter how crazy a bug description 
sounds, it doesn't mean it's not real.


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Re: Knowledge Center bugs getting creative

[Andrew Rowley]

On 20/09/2017 4:27 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:
I'm in the northern hemisphere, and my table of contents is spinning, 
but in the opposite direction!


Ok, not really.  I don't see any problem.

It only happened the once. I think it must have been a timing thing with 
the code to create the spinner while the TOC loads, I guess it spun the 
wrong thing.


If someone tried to report it as a bug they'd be asked what they were on 
I think. I had a bit of trouble believing it myself - it was only the 
next time when I saw the real spinner that I guessed what might be 
happening.


A good lesson for developers though - no matter how crazy a bug 
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Re: Knowledge Center bugs getting creative

[Tom Brennan]

Nice!  And I see you're in Australia.  I'm in the northern hemisphere, 
and my table of contents is spinning, but in the opposite direction!


Ok, not really.  I don't see any problem.

Andrew Rowley wrote:
Knowledge Center bugs are getting more creative. I found the whole TOC 
spinning today:


https://twitter.com/AndrewRowley10/status/910374514252484615

(Why CICS 3.1.0? Because that's what the Google link led to.)



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Knowledge Center bugs are getting more creative. I found the whole TOC 
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https://twitter.com/AndrewRowley10/status/910374514252484615

(Why CICS 3.1.0? Because that's what the Google link led to.)

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Timothy Sipples]

1. As a reminder, IBM Knowledge Center for z/OS is a standard, included
feature of the z/OS base operating system (Version 2.2 and above). Please
take advantage of it. If your mainframe is not already "self-documenting,"
please make it so.

2. A "local" IBM Knowledge Center is also available for the Linux, AIX, and
Microsoft Windows operating systems. It is available at no additional
charge if you have a license for practically any IBM software product. Yes,
you can even install the IBM Knowledge Center on your Linux or Windows PC,
download and install desired documentation, and read/search documentation
offline. To obtain the IBM Knowledge Center for these other operating
systems, please log onto your IBM Passport Advantage Online account and
search for CN9WDML. Here's the link to PPA Online:

https://www.ibm.com/software/passportadvantage/pacustomers.html

3. Yes, in my view IBM needs to improve the availability of the
Internet-accessible IBM Knowledge Center. Let's hope that happens, soon.
But that won't be sufficient and never can be. If you manage
mission-critical services -- and most people do in this forum -- see above.


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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[zMan]

"Eight nines? I can give you ten eights!"

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:22 PM, Susan Shumway <chale...@us.ibm.com> wrote:

> The "MVS System Commands" KC plug-in is back up:
> https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com
> .ibm.zos.v2r2.ieag100/toc.htm
>
> Thanks again for the notice!
>
> -Sue Shumway
>
>
> On 07/05/17 1:13 PM, Susan Shumway wrote:
>
>> H... it looks like the whole "MVS System Commands" plug-in is broken.
>> I'll talk with the build team and get it resolved ASAP. In the meantime,
>> here's the latest (December 2016) PDF: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com
>> /epubs/pdf/iea3g114.pdf
>>
>> -Sue Shumway
>>
>> On 07/05/17 10:30 AM, Vernooij, Kees - KLM , ITOPT1 wrote:
>>
>>> Since the problem still exists after 24 hours, I reported it via the
>>> "Contact Us" button. I received an answer that the z/OS groups needs to
>>> repair this and they will be notified.
>>> Ahum...
>>>
>>> Kees.
>>>
>>> From: Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
>>> Sent: 04 July, 2017 15:18
>>> To: 'IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu' <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu>
>>> Subject: IBM Knowledge Center
>>>
>>> Recurring frustration: when will I be able to reliably find something in
>>> the IBM Knowlegde Center.
>>> Grrr: @$%#$@#!
>>> "The requested resource is not found: /support/knowledgecenter/SSLTB
>>> W_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.ieag100/d3xcf.htm"
>>>
>>> Kees.
>>>
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Susan Shumway]

The "MVS System Commands" KC plug-in is back up: 
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.ieag100/toc.htm


Thanks again for the notice!

-Sue Shumway

On 07/05/17 1:13 PM, Susan Shumway wrote:
H... it looks like the whole "MVS System Commands" plug-in is 
broken. I'll talk with the build team and get it resolved ASAP. In the 
meantime, here's the latest (December 2016) PDF: 
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/iea3g114.pdf


-Sue Shumway

On 07/05/17 10:30 AM, Vernooij, Kees - KLM , ITOPT1 wrote:
Since the problem still exists after 24 hours, I reported it via the 
"Contact Us" button. I received an answer that the z/OS groups needs 
to repair this and they will be notified.

Ahum...

Kees.

From: Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
Sent: 04 July, 2017 15:18
To: 'IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu' <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu>
Subject: IBM Knowledge Center

Recurring frustration: when will I be able to reliably find something 
in the IBM Knowlegde Center.

Grrr: @$%#$@#!
"The requested resource is not found: 
/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.ieag100/d3xcf.htm"


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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Paul Gilmartin]

On 2017-07-06, at 11:47, Allan Staller wrote:

> In that case, "6 nines" 99.99%
> 
That's "8 nines".

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Gilmartin
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 12:45 PM

> On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 14:25:21 -0300, Clark Morris wrote:
>>> 
>>> In the case of z/OS Parallel Sysplex, it is "5 nines" 99.9%
>>> 
> Errr... I count seven nines there.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_availability#.22Nines.22
> 
>>> This equates to about 3 seconds of non-availability per year.
>>> 
> Five nines would be about 5 minutes of non-availability per year.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_availability#Percentage_calculation
> 
>>> Tools/techniques exist in the *nix world to provide this availability (or 
>>> at least something much better that we currently receiving). It is a matter 
>>> of "IBM's will" to implement or not.
>>> 
> Not "will", but economics.  End-to-end reliability would be improved only 
> negligibly by improving server reliability multiple orders of magnitude above 
> the limiting factor, the Internet.  However, I agree with the consensus that 
> KC isn't even close.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Allan Staller]

In that case, "6 nines" 99.99%

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On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 14:25:21 -0300, Clark Morris wrote:
>>
>>In the case of z/OS Parallel Sysplex, it is "5 nines" 99.9%
>>
Errr... I count seven nines there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_availability#.22Nines.22

>>This equates to about 3 seconds of non-availability per year.
>>
Five nines would be about 5 minutes of non-availability per year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_availability#Percentage_calculation

>>Tools/techniques exist in the *nix world to provide this availability (or at 
>>least something much better that we currently receiving). It is a matter of 
>>"IBM's will" to implement or not.
>>
Not "will", but economics.  End-to-end reliability would be improved only 
negligibly by improving server reliability multiple orders of magnitude above 
the limiting factor, the Internet.  However, I agree with the consensus that KC 
isn't even close.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 14:25:21 -0300, Clark Morris wrote:
>>
>>In the case of z/OS Parallel Sysplex, it is "5 nines" 99.9% 
>>
Errr... I count seven nines there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_availability#.22Nines.22

>>This equates to about 3 seconds of non-availability per year.
>>
Five nines would be about 5 minutes of non-availability per year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_availability#Percentage_calculation

>>Tools/techniques exist in the *nix world to provide this availability (or at 
>>least something much better that we currently receiving). It is a matter of 
>>"IBM's will" to implement or not.
>>
Not "will", but economics.  End-to-end reliability would be improved only 
negligibly
by improving server reliability multiple orders of magnitude above the limiting
factor, the Internet.  However, I agree with the consensus that KC isn't even 
close.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Clark Morris]

[Default] On 6 Jul 2017 05:53:04 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
allan.stal...@hcl.com (Allan Staller) wrote:

>
>I tried to say: IBM should try for what they claim for z/OS' uptime. Let z/OS 
>be their goal.
>Kees.
>
>
>Exactly what I have been saying for about the last 5 years or so.
>The brain-dead weenies in charge just don't seem to get this.
>
>Before Tim Sipples jumps in and says this is not possible, I understand IBM 
>has no control over the "internet".
>However, they do have control over KC, SR,.  
>
>At least the back end should match the reliability/availability claimed for 
>the platform being supported. 
>Or, put another way. The service should be available, even if external factors 
>prevent accessing the service.
>
>In the case of z/OS Parallel Sysplex, it is "5 nines" 99.9% 
>This equates to about 3 seconds of non-availability per year.
>
>Tools/techniques exist in the *nix world to provide this availability (or at 
>least something much better that we currently receiving). It is a matter of 
>"IBM's will" to implement or not.
>I do not know if similar capabilities exist in Windoze, but I certainly hope 
>IBM is avoiding that platform for this purpose.

Given the availability of the Windows Knowledge Center whenever I have
used it (site with description of all of the fixes), there probably
are those capabilities.  I have never encountered a down system.

Clark Morris
>
>An then there is the data quality. Links that worked yesterday are broken 
>today. Maybe IBM should do some peer review before changing URLs to meet 
>someone's "convention of the day".
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Tony Harminc]

On 6 July 2017 at 07:49, Paul Gilmartin
<000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> But Phil Payne (IIRC) once sneered here that he couldn't issue the
> same Google query twice consecutively and get the same number
> of hits.  There are two possible reasons for that.

But that was in Google's days of innocence, no? Before they routinely
provided results that they think are what you want to see. Let's hope
KC doesn't follow that path...

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

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> On Jul 6, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Paul Gilmartin 
> <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 05:03:24 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:
>> 
>> On the other hand GOOGLE has *NEVER* been down for me. IBM should try for 
>> Google’s up time, IMO.
>> 
> IBM Knowledge Center should have Google's depth of redundancy?
> 
> But Phil Payne (IIRC) once sneered here that he couldn't issue the
> same Google query twice consecutively and get the same number
> of hits.  There are two possible reasons for that.

Gil:

I have seen that as well. There is nothing to get excited about that as items 
are deleted changed all the time. Google is good.

Ed
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Allan Staller]

I tried to say: IBM should try for what they claim for z/OS' uptime. Let z/OS 
be their goal.
Kees.


Exactly what I have been saying for about the last 5 years or so.
The brain-dead weenies in charge just don't seem to get this.

Before Tim Sipples jumps in and says this is not possible, I understand IBM has 
no control over the "internet".
However, they do have control over KC, SR,.  

At least the back end should match the reliability/availability claimed for the 
platform being supported. 
Or, put another way. The service should be available, even if external factors 
prevent accessing the service.

In the case of z/OS Parallel Sysplex, it is "5 nines" 99.9% 
This equates to about 3 seconds of non-availability per year.

Tools/techniques exist in the *nix world to provide this availability (or at 
least something much better that we currently receiving). It is a matter of 
"IBM's will" to implement or not.
I do not know if similar capabilities exist in Windoze, but I certainly hope 
IBM is avoiding that platform for this purpose.

An then there is the data quality. Links that worked yesterday are broken 
today. Maybe IBM should do some peer review before changing URLs to meet 
someone's "convention of the day".




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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Paul Gilmartin wrote:

>IBM Knowledge Center should have Google's depth of redundancy?

It would be nice... ;-)


>But Phil Payne (IIRC) once sneered here that he couldn't issue the same Google 
>query twice consecutively and get the same number of hits.  There are two 
>possible reasons for that.

I have also experienced that.

I don't know what your two reasons are, but what I know, Google employs [1] 
several 'spiders' / 'robots' sniffing out all and every webpages and indexing 
contents. These results are collected and send over to the various Google Data 
Centres.

Depending on your timing and _where_ your query is handled by what machine in 
what Google data centre, you may or may not get the same / latest results.

Oh, well ... ;-)

PS: I can't remember where I see that explanation [2], but I will search for it 
later...

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

[1] - much like a super chess playing machine, each CPU gets a certain workload 
and they cascade their workload to yet another idle CPUs.

[2] - I think it was in an article about specific, but scaled-up Unix/Linux 
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 05:03:24 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:
> 
>On the other hand GOOGLE has *NEVER* been down for me. IBM should try for 
>Google’s up time, IMO.
> 
IBM Knowledge Center should have Google's depth of redundancy?

But Phil Payne (IIRC) once sneered here that he couldn't issue the
same Google query twice consecutively and get the same number
of hits.  There are two possible reasons for that.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

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> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Edward Gould
> Sent: 06 July, 2017 12:03
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center
> 
> > On Jul 6, 2017, at 2:02 AM, Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
> <kees.verno...@klm.com> wrote:
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Jack J. Woehr
> >> Sent: 05 July, 2017 19:36
> >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >> Subject: Re: AW: IBM Knowledge Center
> >>
> >> Peter Hunkeler wrote:
> >>> it is just because of the unreliablilty that I want easily
> >> downloadable PDFs.
> >>
> >> I keep huge collections of PDF's anyway, because it's ALWAYS more
> >> reliable to have them on the huge and cheap PC disk
> >> than to go fetch on demand from the Internet.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jack J. Woehr
> >
> > Well, in this case the IBM site is much less reliable than the
> internet. Just when I expected the IBM site to show some of the quality
> that we mainframers have been taking for granted in our work.
> >
> > Kees.
> 
> Kees:
> 
> Sigh…. it is not only IBM .. APPLE and their ICLOUD absolutely stinks in
> reliability. I can’t tell you the number of times I have gotten a
> message from APPLE telling me there is a problem.
> Yes it is fixed in an hour or two.
> On the other hand GOOGLE has *NEVER* been down for me. IBM should try
> for Google’s up time, IMO. Look, they said don’t worry you don’t need
> paper books anymore. We do, just because IBM can’t get their act
> together on availability (which IBM has claimed they are KING). The KING
> no longer has any clothes.
> Stay with paper. Especially during a blackout.
> 
> Ed
> 

I tried to say: IBM should try for what they claim for z/OS' uptime. Let z/OS 
be their goal.

Kees.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Edward Gould]

> On Jul 6, 2017, at 2:02 AM, Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM 
> <kees.verno...@klm.com> wrote:
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
>> Behalf Of Jack J. Woehr
>> Sent: 05 July, 2017 19:36
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: AW: IBM Knowledge Center
>> 
>> Peter Hunkeler wrote:
>>> it is just because of the unreliablilty that I want easily
>> downloadable PDFs.
>> 
>> I keep huge collections of PDF's anyway, because it's ALWAYS more
>> reliable to have them on the huge and cheap PC disk
>> than to go fetch on demand from the Internet.
>> 
>> --
>> Jack J. Woehr   
> 
> Well, in this case the IBM site is much less reliable than the internet. Just 
> when I expected the IBM site to show some of the quality that we mainframers 
> have been taking for granted in our work.
> 
> Kees.

Kees:

Sigh…. it is not only IBM .. APPLE and their ICLOUD absolutely stinks in 
reliability. I can’t tell you the number of times I have gotten a message from 
APPLE telling me there is a problem.
Yes it is fixed in an hour or two. 
On the other hand GOOGLE has *NEVER* been down for me. IBM should try for 
Google’s up time, IMO. Look, they said don’t worry you don’t need paper books 
anymore. We do, just because IBM can’t get their act together on availability 
(which IBM has claimed they are KING). The KING no longer has any clothes.
Stay with paper. Especially during a blackout.

Ed

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> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Jack J. Woehr
> Sent: 05 July, 2017 19:36
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: AW: IBM Knowledge Center
> 
> Peter Hunkeler wrote:
> > it is just because of the unreliablilty that I want easily
> downloadable PDFs.
> 
> I keep huge collections of PDF's anyway, because it's ALWAYS more
> reliable to have them on the huge and cheap PC disk
> than to go fetch on demand from the Internet.
> 
> --
> Jack J. Woehr   

Well, in this case the IBM site is much less reliable than the internet. Just 
when I expected the IBM site to show some of the quality that we mainframers 
have been taking for granted in our work.

Kees.

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[Jack J. Woehr]

Peter Hunkeler wrote:

it is just because of the unreliablilty that I want easily downloadable PDFs.


I keep huge collections of PDF's anyway, because it's ALWAYS more reliable to 
have them on the huge and cheap PC disk
than to go fetch on demand from the Internet.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Susan Shumway]

H... it looks like the whole "MVS System Commands" plug-in is 
broken. I'll talk with the build team and get it resolved ASAP. In the 
meantime, here's the latest (December 2016) PDF: 
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/iea3g114.pdf


-Sue Shumway

On 07/05/17 10:30 AM, Vernooij, Kees - KLM , ITOPT1 wrote:

Since the problem still exists after 24 hours, I reported it via the "Contact 
Us" button. I received an answer that the z/OS groups needs to repair this and they 
will be notified.
Ahum...

Kees.

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Recurring frustration: when will I be able to reliably find something in the 
IBM Knowlegde Center.
Grrr: @$%#$@#!
"The requested resource is not found: 
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[Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM]

Since the problem still exists after 24 hours, I reported it via the "Contact 
Us" button. I received an answer that the z/OS groups needs to repair this and 
they will be notified.
Ahum...

Kees.

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Grrr: @$%#$@#!
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AW: IBM Knowledge Center

[Peter Hunkeler]

>1. It is true that the quality of the IBM Knowledge Center seems to have taken 
>a hit in their push to make it more mobile-friendly.


IMHO, this is two-fold: The push towards mobile simplified what is shown on the 
pages, and this is positive. I think many pages are slimmer today and thus 
easier to read. On the other hand, redesign the layout to best fit the mobile 
phone (not tablets) screen sizes does not always help. The most serious case 
for me at this time is the new PMR support site. It is just pure crap, IMHO.


But all this redesign does not mandate lack of availability per se.




> 3. I'm less expert than most of you who are complaining and I still can find 
> whatever I want in the billion or so pages of IBM documentation on the web 
> via a Google search.


I do use Google and KC, but it is just because of the unreliablilty that I want 
easily downloadable PDFs.


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[Peter Hunkeler]

> And yes, I test now and then each pages to see which are still working, say I 
> have a page starting with www-1, but instead discover only www-3 works, then 
> I replace/delete the book mark(s).


I usually edit any www-1..., www-3..., etc and save it as www... when 
bookmarking. I never have had the case where the www... did not bring me back 
to whatever www-n... was due.


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Re: AW: IBM Knowledge Center

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Jack J. Woehr wrote:

> 3. I'm less expert than most of you who are complaining and I still can find 
> whatever I want in the billion or so pages
>of IBM documentation on the web via a Google search.

Or start at www.ibm.com [0] and do your searches. Then bookmark pages 
containing successful hits.

For example, I have folders containing several IBM pages - group of pages for 
licensed materials, group of bookshelves (PDF, KC, Redbooks, Hot Topics, etc.), 
topic pages (RACF and all relevant things, Assembler and their things, and so 
on for other products and topics).

And yes, I test now and then each pages to see which are still working, say I 
have a page starting with www-1, but instead discover only www-3 works, then I 
replace/delete the book mark(s).

So, it is up to you what tools you use to do your searches and lookup. Good 
luck.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

[0] - I cannot prove it, but I find (at least for myself) when I start my 
searches on ibm.com, I get 'better' and 'relevant' hits, while on Google, I get 
more useless hits including ads. I also find, but cannot prove it, that Google 
sometimes tries to translate an exotic IBM term into something Google thinks it 
is a better match.

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[Jack J. Woehr]

Peter Hunkeler wrote:

Finding something on the Internet reliably? ROTFLOL. That is a contradiction in 
terms.


Three thoughts:

1. It is true that the quality of the IBM Knowledge Center seems to have taken 
a hit in their push to make it more
   mobile-friendly.
2. Nonetheless, IBM's documentation always has been and remains to this day a 
paradigm for the world of tech.
3. I'm less expert than most of you who are complaining and I still can find 
whatever I want in the billion or so pages
   of IBM documentation on the web via a Google search.

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[Peter Hunkeler]

>Recurring frustration: when will I be able to reliably find something in the 
>IBM Knowlegde Center.



Finding something on the Internet reliably? ROTFLOL. That is a contradiction in 
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center

[Steve Thompson]

So how's that modernization working out for their customers?

Oh wait, was this part of that cognitive computing initiative? 
Perhaps the system needs time for the equivalent of a human's 
brain to refresh? As in, down time or sleep.


Must have worked out wonderfully for someone's bonus.

Just say'n'

Steve Thompson

On 07/04/2017 09:21 AM, Allan Staller wrote:

Canned refrain:

The new tools are neither as reliable, available or functional as the tools 
that are being replaced!



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[Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM]

In the past we had to make the decision to use the IBM site for docs in case of 
problem handling or download and store local and personal copies of the 
documents. A point in the decision was, that if we had some kind of internet 
problems, local/personal copies provided constant access to manuals.
How could we ever have guessed that the IBM site itself would cause most of the 
problems.

Sad times, when reliability goes downhill.

Kees.

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> 
> Canned refrain:
> 
> The new tools are neither as reliable, available or functional as the
> tools that are being replaced!
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: IBM Knowledge Center
> 
> Recurring frustration: when will I be able to reliably find something in
> the IBM Knowlegde Center.
> Grrr: @$%#$@#!
> "The requested resource is not found:
> /support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.ieag100/d3xcf.htm
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> Kees.
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Canned refrain:

The new tools are neither as reliable, available or functional as the tools 
that are being replaced!



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Recurring frustration: when will I be able to reliably find something in the 
IBM Knowlegde Center.
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"The requested resource is not found: 
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Re: you can request improvements to IBM Knowledge Center using the RFE process now

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 30 May 2017 22:29:34 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote:
>
>> But a desktop system, outside the radius of destruction, with UPS?
>> And I'd expect the manuals on the MF to be replicated at the DR site.
>>
>Laptop with needed manuals.  Hours of power.  Recharge with vehicle. 
>
I'd count that as UPS.  And you could place the laptop on a desk.

>Data modem via cell phone tower.  Better for a flash drive than
>spinning drive.  Maybe even a bootable flash drive with needed
>software and manuals that can be connected to almost any PC and run.
>
Any of the above.

>Maybe even Hercules and a Stand Alone Recovery system with Spool and
>z/OS manuals?
> 
Licensing?  That might have to be an MVS 3.8 Recovery System.

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[Mike Schwab]

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Paul Gilmartin
<000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 May 2017 08:43:15 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:
>>—SNIP—
>>
>>That is why I submit that HC manuals are still needed will always be needed.
>>When your system is down its down and having manuals on there MF is useless.
>>
> But a desktop system, outside the radius of destruction, with UPS?
>
> And I'd expect the manuals on the MF to be replicated at the DR site.
>
> -- gil
>
Laptop with needed manuals.  Hours of power.  Recharge with vehicle.
Data modem via cell phone tower.  Better for a flash drive than
spinning drive.  Maybe even a bootable flash drive with needed
software and manuals that can be connected to almost any PC and run.
Maybe even Hercules and a Stand Alone Recovery system with Spool and
z/OS manuals?


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