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Title: RE: [IBMVM] Hi Brian: Where are you getting this data from? zvm doesn't swap it pages. It will page to expanded storage and/or dasd, and migrate pages from xstore to dasd paging. It will form blocks of pages, but swapping, per se, hasn't existed in vm since, well, hpo. What product is reporting this data? Is this linux data, which would also be a strange reporting method? David -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Brian France Sent: Wed 6/7/2006 10:12 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] Would someone please shed light on the following for me. What is the dif from swaping to paging other than swaping is using the swap space? I can't seem to find much info on paging? I believe if I'm swapping heavily that's bad, but where does the pageing go and is it bad for perf? THANX!!! % Swap space used 0% Swap-in rate 0/s Swap-out rate 0/s Page-in rate 0.066/s Page-out rate 50.133/s Brian W. France Systems Administrator (Mainframe) Pennsylvania State University Administrative Information Services - Infrastructure/Sysarc Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 814-863-4739 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 6/7/06, Brian France [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would someone please shed light on the following for me. What is the dif from swaping to paging other than swaping is using the swap space? I can't seem to find much info on paging? I believe if I'm swapping heavily that's bad, but where does the pageing go and is it bad for perf? THANX!!! % Swap space used 0% Swap-in rate 0/s Swap-out rate 0/s Page-in rate 0.066/s Page-out rate 50.133/s It really depends on the context, maybe you're getting this somewhere from Performance Toolkit screens? The first thing to check would be whether the 0's are valid data or just show lack of information. But if the numbers are valid, I would conclude that you defined a large virtual machine so big that it never even needed to swap at all (or you did not define swap space for it so it could not swap). The paging would be the trouble that VM takes to hold the virtual machine in memory. Some paging at start and end of activity is normal, and obviously it will slow down the virtual machine but allow others to make progress. I do recall that various rates per user in performance toolkit are bogus, so you should be careful before you draw any conclusions from that. If you have ESAMON numbers I may be able to help you better. -- Rob van der Heij Velocity Software, Inc http://velocitysoftware.com/
Re: Change user direct volsers to SYSRES with DIRMANIT
Title: RE: [IBMVM] Change user direct volsers to SYSRES with DIRMANIT Very carefully. You can do a DIRM USER WITHPASS, or DIRM USER NOPASS, receive it, copy it, modify it. Tell DIRMAINT to ERASE USER DIRECT: DIRM CMS L USER DIRECT * DIRM CMS ERASE USER DIRECT dirm fm I use this approach: take DIRMAINT down. LINK TO DIRMAINT 1DF 1DF MR AC 1DF Z COPY USER WITHPASS A USER INPUT Z REL Z (DET restart DIRMAINT. Run two DIRM DIRECT just to be sure. David -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Leland Lucius Sent: Wed 6/7/2006 12:07 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] Change user direct volsers to SYSRES with DIRMANIT Is there any way to do a mass change of all 520RES to SYSRES using= DIRMAINT? I suppose I could DIRM USER BACKUP, make the changes, and relo= ad it. Thanks, Leland
Restoring RETRIEVE buffers
I would like to save the RETRIEVE buffers before calling an EXEC, and restore them afterwards. Saving them is easy: 'PIPE cp QUERY RETRIEVE BUFFERS | stem buffers.' The question is how to restore them. The EXEC saves, redefines, and then restores the PF keys -- but that clobbers the RETRIEVE buffers. I looked in the archive for this list and found the post below, but nothing else. Is there no way to do this? Shoul d I try to APAR the clobbering of the RETRIEVE buffers? Alan Ackerman alan + dot + ackerman + at + bank of america + dot + com Re: Saved retrieve buffer cp/cms command On Thu, 12 May 2005 08:44:09 -0400, Jim Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think (if I read it right) is that he would like to save the retrieve buffer at LOGOFF and restore it at the next LOGON, kind of the same way Linux/Unix does in various shells. I know we can view/list the buffers so they could be saved, but I don't know of anything that will populate the buffers. Interesting idea thoug h! The only thing is the concept won't work in all cases (like FORCE or #CP LOGOFF) unless it is an Exit point in CP. ___ James Vincent Systems Engineering Consultant Nationwide Services Co. One Nationwide Plaza 3-25-02 Columbus OH 43215-2220 U.S.A Voice: (614) 249-5547Fax: (614) 677-7681 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions VMESA-L@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 05/12/2005 08:39:16 AM: Sent by: VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions VMESA-L@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU VMESA-L@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU You can include the command in your PROFILE EXEC so the non-standard value you would like for RETBUF is set for your virtual machine each time you logon. JR Imler JR (Steven) Imler Computer Associates Senior Software Engineer Work: +1 703 708 3479 Fax: +1 703 708 3267 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] O n Behalf Of al_gl2 Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 07:58 AM To: VMESA-L@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Saved retrieve buffer cp/cms command I use VM/ESA 2.4 I liked a command RETBUF Http: // www.vm.ibm.com/download/packages/descri pt.cgi? RETBUF I do not know as to decide problem. The LOGOFF the list of the executed commands is not saved. How it is possible to make so that the command list was restored in th e stack of commands? I want after LOGON the command RETBUF showed the command list of the last session. Alexandr. =
Re: Restoring RETRIEVE buffers
Alan, I know of no approved way of doing this. We do have a QC EXEC written by M. Friedman, UC Berkeley around 08/17/85. You might be able to reverse engineer this to set the buffers. You would do this at your own risk. Note: As long as any one of the PF keys is set to RETRIEVE, the buffers will not be destroyed. Does your exec really need to destroy all 24 PF keys? Jim -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Ackerman Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:19 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Restoring RETRIEVE buffers I would like to save the RETRIEVE buffers before calling an EXEC, and restore them afterwards. Saving them is easy: 'PIPE cp QUERY RETRIEVE BUFFERS | stem buffers.' The question is how to restore them. The EXEC saves, redefines, and then restores the PF keys -- but that clobbers the RETRIEVE buffers. I looked in the archive for this list and found the post below, but nothing else. Is there no way to do this? Should I try to APAR the clobbering of the RETRIEVE buffers? Alan Ackerman alan + dot + ackerman + at + bank of america + dot + com Re: Saved retrieve buffer cp/cms command On Thu, 12 May 2005 08:44:09 -0400, Jim Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think (if I read it right) is that he would like to save the retrieve buffer at LOGOFF and restore it at the next LOGON, kind of the same way Linux/Unix does in various shells. I know we can view/list the buffers so they could be saved, but I don't know of anything that will populate the buffers. Interesting idea though! The only thing is the concept won't work in all cases (like FORCE or #CP LOGOFF) unless it is an Exit point in CP. ___ James Vincent Systems Engineering Consultant Nationwide Services Co. One Nationwide Plaza 3-25-02 Columbus OH 43215-2220 U.S.A Voice: (614) 249-5547Fax: (614) 677-7681 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions VMESA-L@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 05/12/2005 08:39:16 AM: Sent by: VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions VMESA-L@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU VMESA-L@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU You can include the command in your PROFILE EXEC so the non-standard value you would like for RETBUF is set for your virtual machine each time you logon. JR Imler JR (Steven) Imler Computer Associates Senior Software Engineer Work: +1 703 708 3479 Fax: +1 703 708 3267 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of al_gl2 Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 07:58 AM To: VMESA-L@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Saved retrieve buffer cp/cms command I use VM/ESA 2.4 I liked a command RETBUF Http: // www.vm.ibm.com/download/packages/descri pt.cgi? RETBUF I do not know as to decide problem. The LOGOFF the list of the executed commands is not saved. How it is possible to make so that the command list was restored in the stack of commands? I want after LOGON the command RETBUF showed the command list of the last session. Alexandr. === == If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender, delete it and do not read, act upon, print, disclose, copy, retain or redistribute it. Click here for important additional terms relating to this e-mail. http://www.ml.com/email_terms/
Re: Change user direct volsers to SYSRES with DIRMANIT
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:16:49 -0400, David Kreuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] resources.com wrote: Very carefully. You can do a DIRM USER WITHPASS, or DIRM USER NOPASS, receive it, copy it, modify it. Tell DIRMAINT to ERASE USER DIRECT: DIRM CMS L USER DIRECT * DIRM CMS ERASE USER DIRECT dirm fm I use this approach: take DIRMAINT down. LINK TO DIRMAINT 1DF 1DF MR AC 1DF Z COPY USER WITHPASS A USER INPUT Z REL Z (DET restart DIRMAINT. Run two DIRM DIRECT just to be sure. Thanks David. That's what it looked like I needed to do, just wanted to make sure I had my brain seated properly today. Leland
Re: Change user direct volsers to SYSRES with DIRMANIT
It's easier now for the most part. In the era of huge CMS populations taking DIRMAINT down was near impossible. I always do two DIRM directs, or two DIRECTXA's. A habit to make sure there is enough space for two directories, which is the way CP wants it. Happy dirmainting - if such a thing is possible - just kidding! David -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Leland Lucius Sent: Wed 6/7/2006 12:50 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Change user direct volsers to SYSRES with DIRMANIT On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:16:49 -0400, David Kreuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] resources.com wrote: Very carefully. You can do a DIRM USER WITHPASS, or DIRM USER NOPASS, = receive it, copy it, modify it. Tell DIRMAINT to ERASE USER DIRECT: DIRM CMS L USER DIRECT * DIRM CMS ERASE USER DIRECT dirm fm I use this approach: take DIRMAINT down. LINK TO DIRMAINT 1DF 1DF MR AC 1DF Z COPY USER WITHPASS A USER INPUT Z REL Z (DET restart DIRMAINT. Run two DIRM DIRECT just to be sure. Thanks David. That's what it looked like I needed to do, just wanted to = make sure I had my brain seated properly today. Leland
Re: z/VM SVC's documented anywhere ?
Thanks to all who responded. We found a solution, buried in NUCON is a b it that tells CMS if it's to use OS-style or VSE-style SVC's and by finaglin g that bit at just the right time going in and out of our routines, we have tricked everybody involved - RPG, ISPF, DB2/UDB and DB2/VM - into cooperating. On to the next brick wall!
Re: z/VM SVC's documented anywhere ?
Are you SPKA 0, DMSKEYing, or PSW key 0 to do this? Are you resetting when done? Does CMS end-of-command reset this bit? David -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of C. Lawrence Perkins Sent: Wed 6/7/2006 2:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] z/VM SVC's documented anywhere ? Thanks to all who responded. We found a solution, buried in NUCON is a b= it that tells CMS if it's to use OS-style or VSE-style SVC's and by finaglin= g that bit at just the right time going in and out of our routines, we have= tricked everybody involved - RPG, ISPF, DB2/UDB and DB2/VM - into cooperating. On to the next brick wall!
VSE and DB2/UDB
I've been trying to use DB2 for VSE to access DB2/UDB and have had mixed results. We have been going round and round with DB2 for VSE support (sometimes I think Roland should be on our payroll). Other shops have gotten it to work successfully. So, for those other shops What DB2/UDB version/release are you using and on what platform? I bought up the try before you buy release of DB2/UDB (perhaps V8.2 but it may be V8.1), from the DB2/UDB website from March. And it is installed on zLinux (SLES9) 64 bit. I'm starting to think that I may need to be on a V7 copy of DB2/UDB, or at least one that I can apply maintenance to. So, now I'm considering what release to fall back to. Thanks Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting
VTAM and SFS Installation
Are there instructions for installing and servicing VTAM into a filepool? I cannot locate any in the IBM manuals. Thanks in advance. ___ Jim Hughes 603-271-5586 Impossible is just an opinion. Your career is what you're paid for, your calling is what you're made for.
Re: Change user direct volsers to SYSRES with DIRMANIT
Very carefully. You can do a DIRM USER WITHPASS, or DIRM USER NOPASS, receive it, copy it, modify it. Do not perform this trick with the NOPASS option: the new directory will not have any useful passwords anymore. And, even if you'd use RACF (where directory passwords no longer count) destroying all passwords may not be wise, surely not in my installation. We use the 3 password words as minidisk description: e.g. MDISK 190 3390 sta size RR CMS REL20 DEC2005 Kris, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: swap vs page
Would someone please shed light on the following for me. What is the dif from swaping to paging other than swaping is using the swap space? I can't seem to find much info on paging? I believe if I'm swapping heavily that's bad, but where does the pageing go and is it bad for perf? THANX!!! % Swap space used 0% This tells you that you are not using any of your swap space, so your virtual machine is probably large enough that no Unix paging needs to occur. Swap-in rate 0/s Swap-out rate 0/s In traditional Unix systems, virtual memory is page oriented, but if the virtual memory system becomes sufficiently stressed, the kernel will attempt to move entire processes to swap to free up the maximum number of pages with one operation (it's a crude sort of block paging approach without actually doing I/O optimization). This number indicates the number of times this has occurred. In versions of Unix without virtual memory (2.9 BSD and that ilk), this was the only way to overcommit memory. Swapping on PDP11s was very common, especially on the smaller 11/05 and 11/23 systems. VM/HPO used to have this ability (separate swapping and paging, and the ability to prioritize one over the other to different disk areas), but that ability was lost with the transition to VM/XA (restored by a 3rd party set of CP mods). This transaction really impacted the sales of solid-state disk units -- swapping to SSD first was a really nice performance boost on memory-constrained systems when we still had a 16M cap. Even on the 1st generation XA systems (308x), HPO was a real win. Page-in rate 0.066/s Page-out rate 50.133/s This is normal dynamic paging activity, eg pages/sec. As someone else said, if this is database activity, it's probably sending things out and then rebuilding the page internally instead of trying to pull it back in from paging space.
SFS
A quick question: Is there a limit to the number of files a person can have in the SFS? I have a user getting catalog errors DMS1146E -77 which indicates no data space left in the catalog space yet when I Q CATALOG FILEPOOL ... I see 74% used and over 12K blocks free. I logon to another id in the same pool and can create and destroy files. Any other opinions? BTW, the catalog space does show 100% occupied data block and 65% used index blocks. I should probably schedule a FILESERV REORG. Bob Bates Citigroup Technology Infrastructure 817-317-8033
Re: Change user direct volsers to SYSRES with DIRMANIT
I do this to provide minidisk descriptions: MDISK 190 3390 sta size RR read write mult * CMS REL20 DEC2005 The advantage is you can avoid providing non-random passwords (especially for the multi). You *HAVE* to provide all 3 passwords, but everything after that is ignored, so you're also not limited to 3 words. I include the '*' for readability, but it's not required. I doubt DIRMAINT or VMSECURE will let you do this, but if you do the directory by hand it works fine. Even better would be if the directory statement syntax recognized some delimiter as the start of a comment and ignored the remainder of that source line the same way it ignores immbedded comments in statements that can be continued across multiple source lines. Brian Nielsen On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 21:22:35 +0200, Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very carefully. You can do a DIRM USER WITHPASS, or DIRM USER NOPASS, receive it, copy it, modify it. Do not perform this trick with the NOPASS option: the new directory wi ll not have any useful passwords anymore. And, even if you'd use RACF (whe re directory passwords no longer count) destroying all passwords may not be wise, surely not in my installation. We use the 3 password words as minidisk description: e.g. MDISK 190 3390 sta size RR CMS REL20 DEC2005 Kris, IBM Belgium, VM customer support =
DDR to standard labeled tapes
I would like to DDR DUMP to standard label (3480-XF) tapes. For reasons I won't go into here, I plan to manually define the extents to be dumped to each tape, so DDR's multi-volume tape handling is not an issue. So is there any more to it than writing a VOL1 hdr, starting at the load point, then doing the DDR dump with a SKIP 1 on OUTPUT? For example, in a CMS environment, would this be correct ? 1) Write a VOL1 label to the tape TAPE WVOL1 volser userid (XF TAPE WTM 2 2) Boot a Standalone DDR 3) Mount the tape labeled in Step 1 4) DDR dump: INPUT 3390 volser OUTPUT 3480 (SKIP 1 MODE XF SYSPRINT CONS DUMP start-cyl TO end-cyl Is the WTM needed after the WVOL1 to mark the end-of-tape? Does writing a VOL1 header w/o HDR1 cause any problems? Is it really this straightforward? Any gotchas I should be aware of (other than multi-tape DDR dumps, which as I said, won't be an issue in my case)?
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On 6/7/06, Brian France [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it must be the XSTORE pages I see in the FCX115 display. XSTORE pages : Indeed, looking at the book this is one of the screens I remembered. For rates reported, it is important to know over what interval it is being computed. As far as I know PerfKit takes the time between pressing ENTER while looking at the screen. This is only useful when the metric itself does not change a lot. Paging however is typically burst-wise, so doing random intervals only serves recreational purposes. You'd probably want to look at a period of time with fixed intervals. That's probably easier with IND USER Page-in rate The number of pages paged in per second. Just didn't know what the difference was. I'm not swapping from what I can tell, but there is paging and I just don't know what the difference is. So this is what I suggested: the paging that z/VM does to retain the virtual machine in main memory. Depending on the amount of pressure in z/VM, you can see large portions of the virtual machine being paged out once. You need to look at some more numbers to tell (because just paging out does not slow the virtual machine down). Rob -- Rob van der Heij Velocity Software, Inc http://velocitysoftware.com/
Deterse
Has anyone had any problems using DETERSE on z/VM 5.2? This is what Im getting: deterse vptf4185 bin z um31619 servlink a ( replace Ready(01001); T=0.01/0.01 16:42:02 TIA - Don
Re: Deterse
What's the LRECL of the file you're trying to DETERSE? I use VMDPACK, which does a DETERSE plus some other things. No, I don't know I haven't studied the code. Regards, Steve G. Hooker, Don - OIT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 06/07/2006 04:02 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System To:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc: Subject:Deterse Has anyone had any problems using DETERSE on z/VM 5.2? This is what I'm getting: deterse vptf4185 bin z um31619 servlink a ( replace Ready(01001); T=0.01/0.01 16:42:02 TIA - Don
Re: VTAM and SFS Installation
You simply change the PPF used by VTAM. You can do this by creating a PPF override file, e.g. VTAM $PPF (get some inspiration from the ZVM $PPF), then you compile the VTAM $PPF into VTAM PPF with VMFPPF VTAM I do have some tool to move products from mindisks into whatever filepool you like. I can send that if you like. It will also create a PPF override. If I find time, some day I'll place this on the download lib too. IBM's MOVE2SFS is not as good as mine: it copied to VMSYS only, and it uses impossible filespace names like PMMM. I prefer to store things in SFSESA:MAINT440.VTAM.xxx for example. Then a simple DIRLIST SFSESA:MAINT440. shows me all products in a glimpse. Kris, IBM Belgium, VM customer support Hughes, Jim - OIT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 2006-06-07 21:23 Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject VTAM and SFS Installation Are there instructions for installing and servicing VTAM into a filepool? I cannot locate any in the IBM manuals. Thanks in advance. ___ Jim Hughes 603-271-5586 Impossible is just an opinion. Your career is what you're paid for, your calling is what you're made for.
Re: Deterse
Thanks, Marcy. I was trying use a pipe to deblock it, but wasnt getting it right. Your pipe worked like a charm and I was able to deterse the PTFs. Thanks very much. Don
Re: VTAM and SFS Installation
Rich, The current VM/VTAM was GA in 1992. We were already using SFS for many applications and most of VM. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Greenberg Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 2:47 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject:Re: VTAM and SFS Installation On: Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 05:10:06PM -0400,Alan Altmark Wrote: } According to the VTAM Program Directory, VTAM must be installed to, and } serviced from, minidisks. Alan, Is there any possibility that VTAM, being a bit long in the tooth, was set up before SFS was as reliable as it presently is? Perhaps a few added sections in the PPF file(s) . . . . . ? -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red Shasta (RIP),Red, Zero Casey, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Atlanta Siberian Husky Rescue. www.panix.com/~richgr/ Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: VTAM and SFS Installation
On Wednesday, 06/07/2006 at 05:46 AST, Rich Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any possibility that VTAM, being a bit long in the tooth, was set up before SFS was as reliable as it presently is? Perhaps a few added sections in the PPF file(s) . . . . . ? The networking product set never really embraced SFS, primarily, I believe, due to the lack of customer demand. The phone lines were never burning up with flames from irate customers. I don't believe SFS reliability was ever an issue since it isn't in the VTAM runtime environment. But, sure, if you're up to overriding the PPF as Kris suggested, then go ahead. Except for the configuration disk (298) and the run disk (29A), I don't think there's anything that can't live in SFS. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: HCPSEC068E when doing PUT2PROD SAVECMS
That's good news. Perhaps it is time to re-examine our staunch opposition to PUT2PROD. Another problem with PUT2PROD that comes to mind is that we don't want to install VM on every system, we want to install it once (actually twice because of VPARS and VTAPE) and then copy it to all the other systems. Ca n PUT2PROD do that now that it no longer insists on forcing off userids? We have 5 primary VM systems and 11 (?) VM guests. Does anyone install VM separately on each of multiple systems? Does even IBM? Alan Ackerman alan dot ackerman at bank of america dot com On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:28:51 -0400, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, 06/02/2006 at 11:47 AST, George Haddad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrot e: Add me to the list of sysprogs who has always installed by hand or a t least by homegrown EXECs. Sorry Chuckie. Too many battle scars in the past. Well, just to show we don't hold a grudge, other people (not you, George , since you don't use PUT2PROD :-)) will be interested in APAR VM63999 tha t closed a couple of weeks ago. It eliminates the Really Annoying recycli ng of TCPIP Co. by PUT2PROD. [But it changed only because someone called and complained.] Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott =
Re: HCPSEC068E when doing PUT2PROD SAVECMS
Alan wrote: We have 5 primary VM systems and 11 (?) VM guests. Does anyone install VM separately on each of multiple systems? Does even IBM? That's a good question. Was wondering what all of you with 5 systems do about that. Right now we maintain them individually (it wasn't that long ago that we had 1 system). Now I'm hearing rumblings about maybe adding 2-4 more systems for capacity/availability reasons... If we go from 6 to 10, that's a lot more VM work. Not just VM, but all the other stuff.. (velocity, ca stuff..) Marcy Cortes This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation.
Re: HCPSEC068E when doing PUT2PROD SAVECMS
On Wednesday, 06/07/2006 at 11:07 EST, Alan Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's good news. Perhaps it is time to re-examine our staunch opposition to PUT2PROD. Another problem with PUT2PROD that comes to mind is that we don't want to install VM on every system, we want to install it once (actually twice because of VPARS and VTAPE) and then copy it to all the other systems. Can PUT2PROD do that now that it no longer insists on forcing off userids? Don't put the burden of multi-system maintenence on PUT2PROD's shoulders. You might be able to bend PUT2PROD to your will, but the design of the entire installation/service process is, as you imply, for a single system. I think people do things as you describe in order to avoid repetition and save time, both excellent goals. We're looking at ways to reach them and we're more than happy to hear how (and why!) people maintain their systems the way they do. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
