PROP restart of OSA

2008-05-05 Thread Shimon Lebowitz
Hi,
I have occasionally had an OSA go down, as happened today.
Here are the messages I got from user TCPIP on the operator
console:

* 05/05/08 *
06:37:34 DTCOSD309W RECEIVED ADAPTER-INITIATED STOP LAN
* 05/05/08 *
06:37:34 DTCOSD082E OSD SHUTTING DOWN:
06:37:34 DTCPRI385IDEVICE OSA-B5:
06:37:34 DTCPRI386I   TYPE: OSD, STATUS: READY
06:37:34 DTCPRI387I   ENVELOPE QUEUE SIZE: 0
06:37:34 DTCPRI388I   ADDRESS: B500
06:37:34 DTCQDI001I QDIO DEVICE OSA-B5 DEVICE NUMBER B502:
06:37:34 DTCQDI007I   DISABLE FOR QDIO DATA TRANSFERS

I would like to prepare a routine to be triggered when these
messages are seen by PROP. My problem is that the message
lines which describe a problem ('stop lan', 'shutting down',
'disable') do not include the device address or link name, and the
lines with the device do not mention the problem, but PROP 
works on the basis of a single line.

How do other people deal with this?

Thanks,
Shimon

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Re: PROP restart of OSA

2008-05-05 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 05/05/2008 at 08:03 EDT, Shimon Lebowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Hi,
 I have occasionally had an OSA go down, as happened today.
 Here are the messages I got from user TCPIP on the operator
 console:
 
 * 05/05/08 *
 06:37:34 DTCOSD309W RECEIVED ADAPTER-INITIATED STOP LAN
 * 05/05/08 *
 06:37:34 DTCOSD082E OSD SHUTTING DOWN:
 06:37:34 DTCPRI385IDEVICE OSA-B5:
 06:37:34 DTCPRI386I   TYPE: OSD, STATUS: READY
 06:37:34 DTCPRI387I   ENVELOPE QUEUE SIZE: 0
 06:37:34 DTCPRI388I   ADDRESS: B500
 06:37:34 DTCQDI001I QDIO DEVICE OSA-B5 DEVICE NUMBER B502:
 06:37:34 DTCQDI007I   DISABLE FOR QDIO DATA TRANSFERS
 
 I would like to prepare a routine to be triggered when these
 messages are seen by PROP. My problem is that the message
 lines which describe a problem ('stop lan', 'shutting down',
 'disable') do not include the device address or link name, and the
 lines with the device do not mention the problem, but PROP
 works on the basis of a single line.
 
 How do other people deal with this?

1. Add AUTORESTART to the DEVICE definition
or
2. Use a virtual NIC on a VSWITCH.  The VSWITCH has better error recovery 
than the stack.  It also gives you the ability to have a second OSA on 
stand-by without having to code dual interfaces in the stack.

In any case, you don't want PROP to handle this.  A STOP LAN is the 
result of a switch failing or being recycled, or a cable pull.  A manual 
restart won't help.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: whitehouse email

2008-05-05 Thread Edward M. Martin
Seems that Oliver North got in trouble because there were off-site
backups.  Seems like that minor problem (having off-site backups) got
fixed.

Ed Martin
330-588-4723
ext 40441

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:18 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: whitehouse email

The backups are kept safe and sound, right next to the Iraqi weapons of
mass destruction.

But yeah, compared to the Clintons, the Bush regime has been remarkably
scandal-free.

   Dennis 

It's 10:00 PM.  Do you know where your backup tapes are? 

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Schuh, Richard
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 16:13
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBMVM] whitehouse email

No backups are needed. They have done nothing wrong or illegal, and not
much of historical importance. :-)

Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 


Re: PROP restart of OSA

2008-05-05 Thread Shimon Lebowitz
Yes, a manual restart does help.
I log in through a different connection and do
IFCONFIG SGLAN UP

That is what I want PROP to do too.

 Original message 
Date:   Mon, 5 May 2008 08:38:04 -0400
From:   Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Subject:   Re: PROP restart of OSA  
To:   IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU

On Monday, 05/05/2008 at 08:03 EDT, Shimon Lebowitz 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Hi,
 I have occasionally had an OSA go down, as happened today.
 Here are the messages I got from user TCPIP on the operator
 console:
 
 * 05/05/08 *
 06:37:34 DTCOSD309W RECEIVED ADAPTER-INITIATED STOP LAN
 * 05/05/08 *
 06:37:34 DTCOSD082E OSD SHUTTING DOWN:
 06:37:34 DTCPRI385IDEVICE OSA-B5:
 06:37:34 DTCPRI386I   TYPE: OSD, STATUS: READY
 06:37:34 DTCPRI387I   ENVELOPE QUEUE SIZE: 0
 06:37:34 DTCPRI388I   ADDRESS: B500
 06:37:34 DTCQDI001I QDIO DEVICE OSA-B5 DEVICE NUMBER B502:
 06:37:34 DTCQDI007I   DISABLE FOR QDIO DATA TRANSFERS
 
 I would like to prepare a routine to be triggered when 
these
 messages are seen by PROP. My problem is that the message
 lines which describe a problem ('stop lan', 'shutting 
down',
 'disable') do not include the device address or link name, 
and the
 lines with the device do not mention the problem, but PROP
 works on the basis of a single line.
 
 How do other people deal with this?

1. Add AUTORESTART to the DEVICE definition
or
2. Use a virtual NIC on a VSWITCH.  The VSWITCH has better 
error recovery 
than the stack.  It also gives you the ability to have a 
second OSA on 
stand-by without having to code dual interfaces in the stack.

In any case, you don't want PROP to handle this.  A STOP 
LAN is the 
result of a switch failing or being recycled, or a cable 
pull.  A manual 
restart won't help.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott

VM TCP/IP Secure Telnet

2008-05-05 Thread Tim Joyce
Hey Guys,
 
We are looking into using secure telnet on our z/VM 5.2 TCP/IP stack.
When looking over info on the VM site, I found the following :
 
Changes Introduced in TCP/IP Level 530 
 
A new statement, SECURETELNETCLIENT, may now be specified in the TCPIP
DATA file. This statement provides the default Telnet client security
value to use when neither the SECURE nor NOSECURE option is specified on
the Telnet command. 
 
Am I  to infer from this that Secure telnet is not available with our
current 5.2 release level? Is anyone using secure telnet out there that
can point me in the right direction?
 
Thanks, Tim



Tim Joyce
Sr. Systems Programmer / Project Leader 
Alex Lee, Inc. 
Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Phone: (828) 725-4448  
Fax: (828) 725-4800

 


Re: whitehouse email

2008-05-05 Thread August Carideo
he was using PROFS
so it was MF based and of course it was backed up



   
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Seems that Oliver North got in trouble because there were off-site
backups.  Seems like that minor problem (having off-site backups) got
fixed.

Ed Martin
330-588-4723
ext 40441

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:18 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: whitehouse email

The backups are kept safe and sound, right next to the Iraqi weapons of
mass destruction.

But yeah, compared to the Clintons, the Bush regime has been remarkably
scandal-free.

   Dennis

It's 10:00 PM.  Do you know where your backup tapes are?

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Schuh, Richard
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 16:13
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBMVM] whitehouse email

No backups are needed. They have done nothing wrong or illegal, and not
much of historical importance. :-)

Regards,
Richard Schuh


Re: PROP restart of OSA

2008-05-05 Thread Stracka, James (GTS)
Shimon,

I write VM:Operator macroes instead of PROP execs but this looks as if two 
routines are needed.

The first would key off the DTCOSD309W message and set a session globalv 
variable with the timestamp

The second would key of the DTCQDI001I message to check the time stamp in the 
session globalv variable that it is the same as that of the DTCOSD309W message. 
 Then it would take action.

A perfectionist might say you have to check the seconds, and overflow to the 
next minute, but my guess is all these have the exact same time.  But...

Jim

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Shimon Lebowitz
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 10:32 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: PROP restart of OSA


Yes, a manual restart does help.
I log in through a different connection and do
IFCONFIG SGLAN UP

That is what I want PROP to do too.

 Original message 
Date:   Mon, 5 May 2008 08:38:04 -0400
From:   Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:   Re: PROP restart of OSA  
To:   IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU

On Monday, 05/05/2008 at 08:03 EDT, Shimon Lebowitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Hi,
 I have occasionally had an OSA go down, as happened today. Here are 
 the messages I got from user TCPIP on the operator
 console:
 
 * 05/05/08 *
 06:37:34 DTCOSD309W RECEIVED ADAPTER-INITIATED STOP LAN
 * 05/05/08 *
 06:37:34 DTCOSD082E OSD SHUTTING DOWN:
 06:37:34 DTCPRI385IDEVICE OSA-B5:
 06:37:34 DTCPRI386I   TYPE: OSD, STATUS: READY
 06:37:34 DTCPRI387I   ENVELOPE QUEUE SIZE: 0
 06:37:34 DTCPRI388I   ADDRESS: B500
 06:37:34 DTCQDI001I QDIO DEVICE OSA-B5 DEVICE NUMBER B502:
 06:37:34 DTCQDI007I   DISABLE FOR QDIO DATA TRANSFERS
 
 I would like to prepare a routine to be triggered when
these
 messages are seen by PROP. My problem is that the message lines which 
 describe a problem ('stop lan', 'shutting
down',
 'disable') do not include the device address or link name,
and the
 lines with the device do not mention the problem, but PROP works on 
 the basis of a single line.
 
 How do other people deal with this?

1. Add AUTORESTART to the DEVICE definition
or
2. Use a virtual NIC on a VSWITCH.  The VSWITCH has better
error recovery 
than the stack.  It also gives you the ability to have a
second OSA on 
stand-by without having to code dual interfaces in the stack.

In any case, you don't want PROP to handle this.  A STOP
LAN is the 
result of a switch failing or being recycled, or a cable
pull.  A manual 
restart won't help.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


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Re: VM TCP/IP Secure Telnet

2008-05-05 Thread Dave Jones

Hi, Tim.

I think what your are looking for is the VMSSL server. It can secure 
Telnet (TN3270) sessions to your z/VM system quite nicely, and it is 
supported on your release of VM. You can read more about it in Chapter 
22 of the TCP/IP Planning and Customization Guide.


It is somewhat of a pain to set up, as it requires you to go get and 
install a Linux distribution. The folks at Sine Nomine Assc. have 
created a nice VMSSL server enabler tool that speeds up the install 
process.you might want to take a look at that here:


http://www.sinenomine.net/

Have a good one.
Tim Joyce wrote:

Hey Guys,
 
We are looking into using secure telnet on our z/VM 5.2 TCP/IP stack.

When looking over info on the VM site, I found the following :
 
Changes Introduced in TCP/IP Level 530 
 
A new statement, SECURETELNETCLIENT, may now be specified in the TCPIP

DATA file. This statement provides the default Telnet client security
value to use when neither the SECURE nor NOSECURE option is specified on
the Telnet command. 
 
Am I  to infer from this that Secure telnet is not available with our

current 5.2 release level? Is anyone using secure telnet out there that
can point me in the right direction?
 
Thanks, Tim




Tim Joyce
Sr. Systems Programmer / Project Leader 
Alex Lee, Inc. 
Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Phone: (828) 725-4448  
Fax: (828) 725-4800


 



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  consulting, and software development
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Re: whitehouse email

2008-05-05 Thread Phillip Parmelee

Yes, but the operator who suggested to the FBI that they look at the
backups ended up being fired.

Phil Parmelee
IBM Global Services
VM/VSE Team
Harrisburg, PA
717-526-1250 T/L 239-1250
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Seems that Oliver North got in trouble because there were off-site
backups.  Seems like that minor problem (having off-site backups) got
fixed.

Ed Martin
330-588-4723
ext 40441

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:18 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: whitehouse email

The backups are kept safe and sound, right next to the Iraqi weapons of
mass destruction.

But yeah, compared to the Clintons, the Bush regime has been remarkably
scandal-free.

   Dennis

It's 10:00 PM.  Do you know where your backup tapes are?

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Schuh, Richard
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 16:13
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBMVM] whitehouse email

No backups are needed. They have done nothing wrong or illegal, and not
much of historical importance. :-)

Regards,
Richard Schuh


Re: VM TCP/IP Secure Telnet

2008-05-05 Thread Adam Thornton

On May 5, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Dave Jones wrote:


Hi, Tim.

I think what your are looking for is the VMSSL server. It can secure  
Telnet (TN3270) sessions to your z/VM system quite nicely, and it is  
supported on your release of VM. You can read more about it in  
Chapter 22 of the TCP/IP Planning and Customization Guide.


It is somewhat of a pain to set up, as it requires you to go get and  
install a Linux distribution. The folks at Sine Nomine Assc. have  
created a nice VMSSL server enabler tool that speeds up the install  
process.you might want to take a look at that here:


http://www.sinenomine.net/


To modify what Dave Jones said a little:

CLIENT versions of SSL-wrapped apps (that is, SSL-wrapped tn3270 and  
FTP) are not available until z/VM 5.3.


tn3270 wrapped in SSL works fine with the SSLSERV enabler all the way  
back to z/VM 3.1 with the telnet *server* on z/VM.


FTP is also possible, sorta, in 3.1-5.2, but basically you can only do  
implicit SSL and you can only protect the authentication stream, not  
the data channel.  The nice thing is: there's a product out there,  
Glub Tech's Secure FTP wrapper, that's quite cheap ($250 for a single  
IP address, unlimited connections), that allows you to do secure FTP  
to *it* and will then do cleartext FTP out the back end, which is nice  
if you want to set up a Linux guest and a private network to z/VM  
behind that guest.  That way, all the cleartext traffic on the wire is  
actually taking place in z/VM's memory and isn't on any externally- 
sniffable network at all.


If you *do* have a secure last-hop network for z/VM, you can put the  
FTP wrapper on that network on an Intel Linux box and not have to burn  
your expensive zSeries cycles doing crypto, too.  It all depends on  
what your requirements are.


Adam


Reading/Writing To Remote Network File Shares (Samba?)

2008-05-05 Thread Michael Coffin
Hi Folks,
 
Does anyone know of a way to mount for reading/writing under CMS a share
on a remote server?  This document:
 
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg245330.html
 
talks about Samba for VM/ESA - and says there is a Samba freeware
package for VM/ESA that can be downloaded from the internet - but I
sure can't find it (and Samba.org seems to know nothing about VM/ESA or
z/VM).
 
My objective is to mount disk space on a remote Linux server (using any
available network protocols) such that a virtual machine running CMS can
read/write to the location using standard CMS file I/O tools.  Note that
a remote SFS server is not an option as the remote location will not be
running z/VM.
 
Any ideas?  Does anyone know where this Samba freeware package for
VM/ESA lives?
 
-Mike


Re: Reading/Writing To Remote Network File Shares (Samba?)

2008-05-05 Thread Richard Troth
Neale Ferguson ported an old release of SAMBA to OpenVM years ago.
That would give you a server on VM to which you could map from Windows.

There is also, of course, the VM NFS server,
which would let you mount VM content onto Linux or Unix.

*But it sounds like you want CMS to be the client in this game, yes?*
Let me heartily recommend the CMS NFS client built into OpenVM.  I use this
on a daily basis.  Lets me share files in Linux land directly on CMS.  I can
use XEDIT on them, copy them to/from minidisks or SFS, literally anything
one could do with a BFS file (an OpenVM file).

I always mount NFS to CMS with translation.  Depending on what you need to
do, this may help or hurt.  (As a rule, I don't do binary content via NFS
from CMS, but that's just me.)  The character set will always be an issue
for this stuff.

To use the CMS NFS client, you have to have a BFS root filesystem mounted.
Then mount NFS directories into that tree.  (The BFS root need not have a
working shell and utilities for NFS to work, just a filespace with empty
mountpoint directories.)  The syntax is ugly, but you can program around
it.  (write an EXEC ... or a shell script!)



On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Michael Coffin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  Hi Folks,

 Does anyone know of a way to mount for reading/writing under CMS a share
 on a remote server?  This document:

 http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg245330.html

 talks about Samba for VM/ESA - and says there is a Samba freeware package
 for VM/ESA that can be downloaded from the internet - but I sure can't find
 it (and Samba.org seems to know nothing about VM/ESA or z/VM).

 My objective is to mount disk space on a remote Linux server (using any
 available network protocols) such that a virtual machine running CMS can
 read/write to the location using standard CMS file I/O tools.  Note that a
 remote SFS server is not an option as the remote location will not be
 running z/VM.

 Any ideas?  Does anyone know where this Samba freeware package for
 VM/ESA lives?

 -Mike




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-- R; 


Re: whitehouse email

2008-05-05 Thread Tom Duerbusch
They got into trouble because, at that time, PROFs had no option to EVER delete 
an email.  Everything that ever came thru PROFs was always retrieveable.  That 
is, unless you formatted over the disks and tapes.  There was no method to 
selectively destroy emails.

PROFs was modified afterwards to allow an authorized administrator to erase and 
completely eliminate emails based on a multitude of criteria.

My source of info, is from the publically available trade magazines of the time.

Not only in government was this a problem, but with litigation and 
corporations..   Time to enforce document retention policies.

Tom Duerbusch
THD Consulting
(I sure miss PROFs)

Law of Cat Acceleration

  A cat will accelerate at a constant rate, until he gets good and
  ready to stop.


 Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5/5/2008 8:19 AM 
Seems that Oliver North got in trouble because there were off-site
backups.  Seems like that minor problem (having off-site backups) got
fixed.

Ed Martin
330-588-4723
ext 40441

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:18 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 
Subject: Re: whitehouse email

The backups are kept safe and sound, right next to the Iraqi weapons of
mass destruction.

But yeah, compared to the Clintons, the Bush regime has been remarkably
scandal-free.

   Dennis 

It's 10:00 PM.  Do you know where your backup tapes are? 

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Schuh, Richard
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 16:13
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 
Subject: Re: [IBMVM] whitehouse email

No backups are needed. They have done nothing wrong or illegal, and not
much of historical importance. :-)

Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 


Re: whitehouse email

2008-05-05 Thread Jack Woehr

Tom Duerbusch wrote:
They got into trouble because, at that time, PROFs had no option to EVER delete an email.  Everything that ever came thru PROFs was always retrieveable. 

Of course this time, they're lying. Not because we can prove it, but because
the officials current administration lie even when there is no need to, 
with complete
and casual disregard of law, custom, and what the Declaration of 
Independence

calls a Decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind.

--
Jack J. Woehr# Hipsters believe that irony has
http://www.well.com/~jax #  more resonance than reason.
http://www.softwoehr.com #  - Robert Lanham


Re: whitehouse email

2008-05-05 Thread Stracka, James (GTS)
PROFS had two formats for e-mail:  documents and notes.  It was
documents that could not be deleted.  Notes in the OFSLOGfl files could
be deleted.  Olie used documents.

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom Duerbusch
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:11 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: whitehouse email


They got into trouble because, at that time, PROFs had no option to EVER
delete an email.  Everything that ever came thru PROFs was always
retrieveable.  That is, unless you formatted over the disks and tapes.
There was no method to selectively destroy emails.
.
.
.
Tom Duerbusch
THD Consulting
(I sure miss PROFs)


P.S.  I miss OV/VM too!


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VM Newbies with Operations Manager

2008-05-05 Thread Phillips.Val
Hi, hoping someone on the list can provide us with some guidance.  We're
new to VM and have installed Operations Manager in order to do some
automation.  The thing is, we don't know enough about VM to know what to
automate.  Anyone have recommendations?  Or a list of
typically-automated messages?  Or anthing?  

Thanks, 
 
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Re: VM Newbies with Operations Manager

2008-05-05 Thread Huegel, Thomas
Tell us a little more about your system... What guests do you support? LINUX? 
z/OS? z/VSE? none of the above.. ?

How about backups?

?

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Hi, hoping someone on the list can provide us with some guidance.  We're
new to VM and have installed Operations Manager in order to do some
automation.  The thing is, we don't know enough about VM to know what to
automate.  Anyone have recommendations?  Or a list of
typically-automated messages?  Or anthing?  

Thanks, 
 
Val Phillips
404-588-8368 
  
  
  
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Re: FW: SWAPGEN version 0803

2008-05-05 Thread David Boyes
I've removed the extraneous line end from the copy on
www.sinenomine.net. Should be happy now. 


SFS

2008-05-05 Thread Hilliard, Chris
Hello List,

 

I'm reviewing the installation requirements for the DFSMS/VM feature.  I
notice that it requires the VMSYS file pool.  When I installed VM many
months ago, I selected to install to minidisks instead of SFS.  As a
result, the SFS subsystem is not active or configured.  

 

My question: Is there a way to easily create the required SFS
environment/pools or would re-installing VM and selecting SFS be
required? 

 

Thanks...Chris



Re: VM Newbies with Operations Manager

2008-05-05 Thread Tom Duerbusch
Some of the more general things that we schedule

Disaster recovery backups.
Shared File Backups
SPXTAPE backup of spool
Scheduling SFPURGER to clean the spool files
EREP processing
Clearing the DISKACNT files
Automatic cycling of certain machines
Issue a SPOOL CONSOLE CLOSE to certain machines that never are cycled (to spin 
off their console logs)

If you don't have a performance monitor, then to issue (every hour):

CP IND
QSYSOWN
Q N
Q FILEPOOL MINIDISK
Q FILEPOOL CONNECT

Then, as you get comfortable with it, and you have things with your guest 
machines, you might use Operations Manager to do scheduling of your guest 
machines, if they don't have their own scheduler.

Tom Duerbusch
THD Consulting


Law of Cat Acceleration

  A cat will accelerate at a constant rate, until he gets good and
  ready to stop.


 Phillips.Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5/5/2008 1:46 PM 
Hi, hoping someone on the list can provide us with some guidance.  We're
new to VM and have installed Operations Manager in order to do some
automation.  The thing is, we don't know enough about VM to know what to
automate.  Anyone have recommendations?  Or a list of
typically-automated messages?  Or anthing?  

Thanks, 
 
Val Phillips
404-588-8368 
  
  
  
LEGAL DISCLAIMER 
The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to 
which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in 
reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended 
recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please 
contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 
  
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SunTrust Banks, Inc. 
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Re: SFS

2008-05-05 Thread Michael Coffin
The VMSYS: filepool is there, it's where CMS, CP and a ton of other
system code lives.
 
From MAINT type:
 
ACCESS VMSYS:DFSMS. Z
 
You'll probably find it was already installed in the SDO.  Even if it's
not there you can execute:
 
ACCESS VMSYS:MAINT. Z
 
MAINT will definitely be there.  Make sure VMSERVS is up and running
(XAUTOLOG VMSERVS if it is not).
 
-Mike

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Hilliard, Chris
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:01 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: SFS



Hello List,

 

I'm reviewing the installation requirements for the DFSMS/VM feature.  I
notice that it requires the VMSYS file pool.  When I installed VM many
months ago, I selected to install to minidisks instead of SFS.  As a
result, the SFS subsystem is not active or configured.  

 

My question: Is there a way to easily create the required SFS
environment/pools or would re-installing VM and selecting SFS be
required? 

 

Thanks.Chris



Re: VM TCP/IP Secure Telnet

2008-05-05 Thread David Boyes
You have server support for SSL-wrapped telnet, via a Linux guest. The
telnet client on VM doesn't gain that support until 5.3. The option you
reference is just what you want the 5.3 client to default - secure or
plaintext telnet. You still need the Linux guest, etc. 

 



Re: SFS

2008-05-05 Thread Schuh, Richard
You do not have to install VM into SFS in order to have the ability to
use SFS for other purposes. Did you run INSTVM, SERVICE and PUT2PROD as
specified in the Installation Guide? If so, the needed machines have
been built. Do you allow AUTOLOG1 to run when you IPL? It usually starts
the SFS service machines, VMSERVR and VMSERVS, needed for the DFSMS
install. If those machines are running, you already have the needed
environment for your DFSMS install.
 

Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 

 




From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hilliard, Chris
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:01 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: SFS



Hello List,

 

I'm reviewing the installation requirements for the DFSMS/VM
feature.  I notice that it requires the VMSYS file pool.  When I
installed VM many months ago, I selected to install to minidisks instead
of SFS.  As a result, the SFS subsystem is not active or configured.  

 

My question: Is there a way to easily create the required SFS
environment/pools or would re-installing VM and selecting SFS be
required? 

 

Thanks...Chris



Re: Reading/Writing To Remote Network File Shares (Samba?)

2008-05-05 Thread David Boyes
Use the CMS NFS client. It makes the remote system look like a BFS to
CMS (with all the BFS weirdness that that implies). 

 



Re: VM TCP/IP Secure Telnet

2008-05-05 Thread Dave Jones

Oh, an easy one:-)

Go grab the SNA VMSSL enabler tool. It will save you a lot of headaches, 
imho. Look on: www.sinenomine.net for more details on how to get it, etc.


Tim Joyce wrote:
Thanks for the responses! 
 
I understand that I will need a Linux guest for VMSSL. As this will be

my first attempt at installing Linux, any recommendations on
documentation and the best place to start with Linux, would be greatly
appreciated. 
 
Thanks, Tim




From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Boyes
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:16 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: VM TCP/IP Secure Telnet



You have server support for SSL-wrapped telnet, via a Linux guest. The
telnet client on VM doesn't gain that support until 5.3. The option you
reference is just what you want the 5.3 client to default - secure or
plaintext telnet. You still need the Linux guest, etc. 

 





--
DJ

V/Soft
  z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training,
  consulting, and software development
www.vsoft-software.com


A word from our moderator, Re: [IBMVM] whitehouse email

2008-05-05 Thread Daniel P. Martin

Ladies, gentlemen, dear colleagues:

All of us, perhaps most especially your humble moderator, cherish and 
hold dear our opinions and insights regarding the clever antics of both 
past and present administrations, sundry other governmental entities and 
assorted business concerns both public and private. 

Specific to the topic at hand, a simple Google search for Oliver North 
Syndrome will provide enormous, steaming fertile mounds of fodder for 
additional speculation and discussion.


*ahem*  However...

May I suggest that this forum, though fertile in its own special way, 
and its esteemed membership -- including those of us who may well have 
the adjective enormous justifiably ascribed -- is perhaps not the most 
appropriate venue for ongoing non-technical discussions of this nature.


May we now please drop this thread?

Yours,

-dan.

Daniel P. Martin - IBMVM List Janitor
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Re: VM TCP/IP Secure Telnet

2008-05-05 Thread Tim Joyce
Hey Dave,

I saw this link on your previous email, but it looked as if it would
only work with z/VM 5.3 ! We are still 5.2 . We plan to migrate sometime
this year, but not before I need to start on this secure telnet project.

Thanks, Tim 

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dave Jones
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:45 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: VM TCP/IP Secure Telnet

Oh, an easy one:-)

Go grab the SNA VMSSL enabler tool. It will save you a lot of headaches,
imho. Look on: www.sinenomine.net for more details on how to get it,
etc.

Tim Joyce wrote:
 Thanks for the responses! 
  
 I understand that I will need a Linux guest for VMSSL. As this will be

 my first attempt at installing Linux, any recommendations on 
 documentation and the best place to start with Linux, would be greatly

 appreciated.
  
 Thanks, Tim
 
 
 
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of David Boyes
 Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:16 PM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Re: VM TCP/IP Secure Telnet
 
 
 
 You have server support for SSL-wrapped telnet, via a Linux guest. The

 telnet client on VM doesn't gain that support until 5.3. The option 
 you reference is just what you want the 5.3 client to default - secure

 or plaintext telnet. You still need the Linux guest, etc.
 
  
 
 

--
DJ

V/Soft
   z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training,
   consulting, and software development
www.vsoft-software.com


Re: VM TCP/IP Secure Telnet

2008-05-05 Thread David Boyes
 I saw this link on your previous email, but it looked as if it would
 only work with z/VM 5.3 ! We are still 5.2 . We plan to migrate
sometime
 this year, but not before I need to start on this secure telnet
project.

Version 2.0 requires 5.3. Version 1.5 will work with 5.2 down to 3.1. 


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2008-05-05 Thread Tony Noto
Just a reminder. 

 

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Re: VM TCP/IP Secure Telnet

2008-05-05 Thread Tim Joyce
Ah, I will look into 1.5 then ... Thanks!

Tim 

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Boyes
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:51 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: VM TCP/IP Secure Telnet

 I saw this link on your previous email, but it looked as if it would 
 only work with z/VM 5.3 ! We are still 5.2 . We plan to migrate
sometime
 this year, but not before I need to start on this secure telnet
project.

Version 2.0 requires 5.3. Version 1.5 will work with 5.2 down to 3.1. 


Re: VM TCP/IP Secure Telnet

2008-05-05 Thread Adam Thornton

On May 5, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Tim Joyce wrote:


Ah, I will look into 1.5 then ... Thanks!


Actually, 1.2 is the latest 1.x release currently available.

There will probably eventually be a 1.3 release, but the updates are  
minor; if you're not going to have more than 120 simultaneous users  
connected via SSL-wrapped sockets, 1.2 should be adequate for you.


Adam


SFS Locked Directory

2008-05-05 Thread Wandschneider, Scott
Can anybody tell me how to unlock this directory?

enroll user maint techsrv: (blocks 1000 storgroup 2  
DMSJEN1137E Object is locked or in use, or there is an outstanding   
DMSJEN1137E lock or disable in the object's directory hierarchy  
Ready(00070); T=0.01/0.01 16:49:40   

Set filepool techsrv:

query filepool disable 
Object Type  Object ID  Disabled Creator   ModeLink Status 
GROUP2  YES  SFSBKUP   SHARE   LINKED  
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 16:50:35 

filepool enable filespace mccserv
DMSWFP3485I FILEPOOL processing begun at 17:11:12 on 5 May 2008. 
DMS5PU1206W No locks are held by you for file space MCCSERV  
DMSWFP3486I FILEPOOL processing ended at 17:11:12 on 5 May 2008. 
Ready(4); T=0.01/0.01 17:11:12   

filepool enable filespace mccserv ( for sfsbkup  
DMSWFP3485I FILEPOOL processing begun at 17:11:29 on 5 May 2008. 
DMS5PU1206W No locks are held by SFSBKUP for file space MCCSERV  
DMSWFP3486I FILEPOOL processing ended at 17:11:29 on 5 May 2008. 
Ready(4); T=0.01/0.01 17:11:29   

query lock techsrv:diskacnt.   
No locks are held on directory TECHSRV:DISKACNT.   
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 17:15:59  

Thank you,
Scott R Wandschneider
Senior Systems Programmer
Infocrossing, a WIPRO Company
11707 Miracle Hills Dr.
Omaha, NE 68154
Office 402.963.8905



 


Re: A word from our moderator, Re: [IBMVM] whitehouse email

2008-05-05 Thread Jack Woehr

Daniel P. Martin wrote:
  opinions and insights regarding the clever antics of both past and 
present administrations
You don't trust your government!? Hell, I work for the government and I 
don't trust it.
- GWB, or rather, the actor playing him in Harold and Kumar Escape from 
Guantanamo Bay


--
Jack J. Woehr# Hipsters believe that irony has
http://www.well.com/~jax #  more resonance than reason.
http://www.softwoehr.com #  - Robert Lanham


Re: SFS Locked Directory

2008-05-05 Thread Schuh, Richard
Here is an extract from the HELP for the message:

HELP MSG DMSJEN1137E

 System Action: RC=31 or 70.

 RC=31-  A rollback of active work has occurred.

 RC=70-  The system status remains the same.

 User Response: Try to enter the command a few more times.  If the lock
 persists, try to resolve the lock conflict.

 Note:  The lock could go away before you resolve it. If this occurs, enter
the command again, or resolve the lock conflict and then enter the
command again.

 Otherwise, there is an explicit lock on either the file, the directory,
 the file space, or the storage group. To aid in resolving the locking
 conflict:

   1.   Determine if an explicit lock exists on the file (base file or
alias on a file) or directory. Enter the QUERY LOCK command to find
out which users have explicit locks for the file (base file or
alias on a file) or directory, and ask them to remove the locks.

   2.   If no locks are held from the previous QUERY LOCK command, and you
are trying to update or write to a file or directory, verify the
directory is a DIRCONTROL directory. Do so by entering the QUERY
DIRATTR command.

If it is a DIRCONTROL directory, the directory might be accessed in
read/write status by another user. Enter the QUERY ACCESSORS
command to find if a user is accessing the directory R/W. If so,
contact this user to release the directory, and enter the command
again.

   3.   If you find no locks are held on the file or directory, or for a
DIRCONTROL directory, it is not accessed R/W, there might be an
outstanding disable lock on the file space or storage group.

Enter the QUERY FILEPOOL DISABLE command to find out which users
have created disable locks, and ask them to remove the locks, or
contact your file pool administrator.


Your return code was 70. I suspect that you are the administrator, so when you 
get to the end, start talking to yourself :-)I hope this helps. I have never 
run into this problem in over 20 years of using SFS, so I have no guarantees. 
There was lots of other information in the HELP response, so if it isn't in 
this extract, you might look at the parts that I have omitted. That is one of 
the nice features of VM, all of the messages are documented in the HELP files.


Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 

 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wandschneider, Scott
 Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:20 PM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: SFS Locked Directory
 
 Can anybody tell me how to unlock this directory?
 
 enroll user maint techsrv: (blocks 1000 storgroup 2  
 DMSJEN1137E Object is locked or in use, or there is an outstanding   
 DMSJEN1137E lock or disable in the object's directory hierarchy  
 Ready(00070); T=0.01/0.01 16:49:40   
 
 Set filepool techsrv:
 
 query filepool disable 
 Object Type  Object ID  Disabled Creator   ModeLink Status 
 GROUP2  YES  SFSBKUP   SHARE   LINKED  
 Ready; T=0.01/0.01 16:50:35 
 
 filepool enable filespace mccserv 

 DMSWFP3485I FILEPOOL processing begun at 17:11:12 on 5 May 
 2008. 
 DMS5PU1206W No locks are held by you for file space MCCSERV   

 DMSWFP3486I FILEPOOL processing ended at 17:11:12 on 5 May 
 2008. 
 Ready(4); T=0.01/0.01 17:11:12

 
 filepool enable filespace mccserv ( for sfsbkup   

 DMSWFP3485I FILEPOOL processing begun at 17:11:29 on 5 May 
 2008. 
 DMS5PU1206W No locks are held by SFSBKUP for file space 
 MCCSERV  
 DMSWFP3486I FILEPOOL processing ended at 17:11:29 on 5 May 
 2008. 
 Ready(4); T=0.01/0.01 17:11:29   
 
 query lock techsrv:diskacnt.   
 No locks are held on directory TECHSRV:DISKACNT.   
 Ready; T=0.01/0.01 17:15:59  
 
 Thank you,
 Scott R Wandschneider
 Senior Systems Programmer
 Infocrossing, a WIPRO Company
 11707 Miracle Hills Dr.
 Omaha, NE 68154
 Office 402.963.8905
 
 
   
  
 


Re: PROP restart of OSA

2008-05-05 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 05/05/2008 at 10:32 EDT, Shimon Lebowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Yes, a manual restart does help.
 I log in through a different connection and do
 IFCONFIG SGLAN UP
 
 That is what I want PROP to do too.

I could be mistaken (maybe Mary Ellen or Miguel can jump in here), but I 
think it worked only because the problem was repaired prior to your 
ifconfig up.

Did you try the AUTORESTART?

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Software on tape

2008-05-05 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
I've been asked whether our z/VM systems could convert to using only
virtual tape.  One of the possible sticking points is vendor software.
If necessary, we could keep a couple of manual tape drives around for
software installs.  I'm trying to determine if it's necessary.

Have IBM or any other software vendors made statements of direction for
offering alternatives to delivering software on tape?  I know that z/VM
itself has been available on DVD for the last 3 releases, and CA's
VM:Manager products are downloadable.  I see that z/VM and products on
SDO are now downloadable, too.  What about products not on SDO?  Is tape
the only choice for those?  I tried to register for ShopzSeries to see
what was actually downloadable, but was told my customer number doesn't
exist.  Perhaps customer numbers for Resource Link and ShopzSeries are
not the same.

   Dennis O'Brien

A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill.  --
Robert A. Heinlein

 


Re: Software on tape

2008-05-05 Thread Schuh, Richard
We get our software from VSSI, Velocity-Software and CA via FTP. I have
gotten an RSU and individual PTFs from IBM that way. I don't know about
an initial distribution, though. 

About your customer number - has BoA started having its software sent to
Charlotte because of the tax burden that CA imposes? If so, your old CA
number customer will have been deleted this year. I know that mine did.
It was supposed to have been changed over 2 years ago, but nobody told
me (it was an MVS secret). The old number worked up to the end of last
year.

Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 

 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L
 Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:25 PM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Software on tape
 
 I've been asked whether our z/VM systems could convert to 
 using only virtual tape.  One of the possible sticking points 
 is vendor software.
 If necessary, we could keep a couple of manual tape drives 
 around for software installs.  I'm trying to determine if 
 it's necessary.
 
 Have IBM or any other software vendors made statements of 
 direction for offering alternatives to delivering software on 
 tape?  I know that z/VM itself has been available on DVD for 
 the last 3 releases, and CA's VM:Manager products are 
 downloadable.  I see that z/VM and products on SDO are now 
 downloadable, too.  What about products not on SDO?  Is tape 
 the only choice for those?  I tried to register for 
 ShopzSeries to see what was actually downloadable, but was 
 told my customer number doesn't exist.  Perhaps customer 
 numbers for Resource Link and ShopzSeries are not the same.
 
Dennis O'Brien
 
 A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes 
 downhill.  -- Robert A. Heinlein
 
  
 


Re: Software on tape

2008-05-05 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
Richard, 
We have a CA customer number for each data center.  My comment about
ShopzSeries was related to IBM customer numbers.  It's my understanding
that California does not charge sales tax on downloads, but only if
physical media is sent to California.  We dealt with this when we were a
California-based bank, before being acquired by NationsBank.  Someone
discovered the sales tax issue and asked us to use download whenever
possible to avoid being taxed.

   Dennis 

A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill.  --
Robert A. Heinlein

 
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Schuh, Richard
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:35
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Software on tape

We get our software from VSSI, Velocity-Software and CA via FTP. I have
gotten an RSU and individual PTFs from IBM that way. I don't know about
an initial distribution, though. 

About your customer number - has BoA started having its software sent to
Charlotte because of the tax burden that CA imposes? If so, your old CA
number customer will have been deleted this year. I know that mine did.
It was supposed to have been changed over 2 years ago, but nobody told
me (it was an MVS secret). The old number worked up to the end of last
year.

Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 

 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L
 Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:25 PM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Software on tape
 
 I've been asked whether our z/VM systems could convert to 
 using only virtual tape.  One of the possible sticking points 
 is vendor software.
 If necessary, we could keep a couple of manual tape drives 
 around for software installs.  I'm trying to determine if 
 it's necessary.
 
 Have IBM or any other software vendors made statements of 
 direction for offering alternatives to delivering software on 
 tape?  I know that z/VM itself has been available on DVD for 
 the last 3 releases, and CA's VM:Manager products are 
 downloadable.  I see that z/VM and products on SDO are now 
 downloadable, too.  What about products not on SDO?  Is tape 
 the only choice for those?  I tried to register for 
 ShopzSeries to see what was actually downloadable, but was 
 told my customer number doesn't exist.  Perhaps customer 
 numbers for Resource Link and ShopzSeries are not the same.
 
Dennis O'Brien
 
 A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes 
 downhill.  -- Robert A. Heinlein
 
  
 


Re: Software on tape

2008-05-05 Thread Schuh, Richard
Sorry - that CA was for California, not the vendor. I was referring to
IBM customer numbers.

Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 

 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L
 Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:44 PM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Re: Software on tape
 
 Richard,
 We have a CA customer number for each data center.  My 
 comment about ShopzSeries was related to IBM customer 
 numbers.  It's my understanding that California does not 
 charge sales tax on downloads, but only if physical media is 
 sent to California.  We dealt with this when we were a 
 California-based bank, before being acquired by NationsBank.  
 Someone discovered the sales tax issue and asked us to use 
 download whenever possible to avoid being taxed.
 
Dennis 
 
 A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes 
 downhill.  -- Robert A. Heinlein
 
  
 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard
 Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:35
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Software on tape
 
 We get our software from VSSI, Velocity-Software and CA via 
 FTP. I have gotten an RSU and individual PTFs from IBM that 
 way. I don't know about an initial distribution, though. 
 
 About your customer number - has BoA started having its 
 software sent to Charlotte because of the tax burden that CA 
 imposes? If so, your old CA number customer will have been 
 deleted this year. I know that mine did.
 It was supposed to have been changed over 2 years ago, but 
 nobody told me (it was an MVS secret). The old number worked 
 up to the end of last year.
 
 Regards,
 Richard Schuh 
 
  
 
  -Original Message-
  From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L
  Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:25 PM
  To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
  Subject: Software on tape
  
  I've been asked whether our z/VM systems could convert to 
 using only 
  virtual tape.  One of the possible sticking points is 
 vendor software.
  If necessary, we could keep a couple of manual tape drives 
 around for 
  software installs.  I'm trying to determine if it's necessary.
  
  Have IBM or any other software vendors made statements of direction 
  for offering alternatives to delivering software on tape?  
 I know that 
  z/VM itself has been available on DVD for the last 3 releases, and 
  CA's VM:Manager products are downloadable.  I see that z/VM and 
  products on SDO are now downloadable, too.  What about 
 products not on 
  SDO?  Is tape the only choice for those?  I tried to register for 
  ShopzSeries to see what was actually downloadable, but was told my 
  customer number doesn't exist.  Perhaps customer numbers 
 for Resource 
  Link and ShopzSeries are not the same.
  
 
 Dennis O'Brien
  
  A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes 
 downhill.  -- 
  Robert A. Heinlein
  
   
  
 


Re: Software on tape

2008-05-05 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 05/05/2008 at 06:26 EDT, O'Brien, Dennis L 
Dennis.L.O'[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Have IBM or any other software vendors made statements of direction for
 offering alternatives to delivering software on tape?

The products in the SDO, including z/VM itself, are available for download 
via ShopzSeries.  No other products are available electronically and I 
don't anticipate a change in that any time soon.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: SFS Locked Directory

2008-05-05 Thread Wandschneider, Scott
Thanks Richard.  I too have worked with SFS for, well since day one, a long 
time now.  I have never had this situation.  I tried all the suggestions, etc 
in HELP nothing worked.  Any ideas?

Thank you,
Scott R Wandschneider
Senior Systems Programmer
Infocrossing
Office 402.963.8905

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Schuh, Richard
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:43 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: SFS Locked Directory

Here is an extract from the HELP for the message:

HELP MSG DMSJEN1137E

 System Action: RC=31 or 70.

 RC=31-  A rollback of active work has occurred.

 RC=70-  The system status remains the same.

 User Response: Try to enter the command a few more times.  If the lock
 persists, try to resolve the lock conflict.

 Note:  The lock could go away before you resolve it. If this occurs, enter
the command again, or resolve the lock conflict and then enter the
command again.

 Otherwise, there is an explicit lock on either the file, the directory,
 the file space, or the storage group. To aid in resolving the locking
 conflict:

   1.   Determine if an explicit lock exists on the file (base file or
alias on a file) or directory. Enter the QUERY LOCK command to find
out which users have explicit locks for the file (base file or
alias on a file) or directory, and ask them to remove the locks.

   2.   If no locks are held from the previous QUERY LOCK command, and you
are trying to update or write to a file or directory, verify the
directory is a DIRCONTROL directory. Do so by entering the QUERY
DIRATTR command.

If it is a DIRCONTROL directory, the directory might be accessed in
read/write status by another user. Enter the QUERY ACCESSORS
command to find if a user is accessing the directory R/W. If so,
contact this user to release the directory, and enter the command
again.

   3.   If you find no locks are held on the file or directory, or for a
DIRCONTROL directory, it is not accessed R/W, there might be an
outstanding disable lock on the file space or storage group.

Enter the QUERY FILEPOOL DISABLE command to find out which users
have created disable locks, and ask them to remove the locks, or
contact your file pool administrator.


Your return code was 70. I suspect that you are the administrator, so when you 
get to the end, start talking to yourself :-)I hope this helps. I have never 
run into this problem in over 20 years of using SFS, so I have no guarantees. 
There was lots of other information in the HELP response, so if it isn't in 
this extract, you might look at the parts that I have omitted. That is one of 
the nice features of VM, all of the messages are documented in the HELP files.


Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 

 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wandschneider, Scott
 Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:20 PM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: SFS Locked Directory
 
 Can anybody tell me how to unlock this directory?
 
 enroll user maint techsrv: (blocks 1000 storgroup 2  
 DMSJEN1137E Object is locked or in use, or there is an outstanding   
 DMSJEN1137E lock or disable in the object's directory hierarchy  
 Ready(00070); T=0.01/0.01 16:49:40   
 
 Set filepool techsrv:
 
 query filepool disable 
 Object Type  Object ID  Disabled Creator   ModeLink Status 
 GROUP2  YES  SFSBKUP   SHARE   LINKED  
 Ready; T=0.01/0.01 16:50:35 
 
 filepool enable filespace mccserv 

 DMSWFP3485I FILEPOOL processing begun at 17:11:12 on 5 May 
 2008. 
 DMS5PU1206W No locks are held by you for file space MCCSERV   

 DMSWFP3486I FILEPOOL processing ended at 17:11:12 on 5 May 
 2008. 
 Ready(4); T=0.01/0.01 17:11:12

 
 filepool enable filespace mccserv ( for sfsbkup   

 DMSWFP3485I FILEPOOL processing begun at 17:11:29 on 5 May 
 2008. 
 DMS5PU1206W No locks are held by SFSBKUP for file space 
 MCCSERV  
 DMSWFP3486I FILEPOOL processing ended at 17:11:29 on 5 May 
 2008. 
 Ready(4); T=0.01/0.01 17:11:29   
 
 query lock techsrv:diskacnt.   
 No locks are held on directory TECHSRV:DISKACNT.   
 Ready; T=0.01/0.01 17:15:59  
 
 Thank you,
 Scott R Wandschneider
 Senior Systems Programmer
 Infocrossing, a WIPRO Company
 11707 Miracle Hills Dr.
 Omaha, NE 68154
 Office 

Re: SFS Locked Directory

2008-05-05 Thread Schuh, Richard
Go to your SFS administrator for help?

The last time I had any real SFS problem, I had to send DDR dumps of my catalog 
to the Support Center so that my problem could be analyzed and zaps constructed 
to bypass the error. My problem was that referencing certain files abended CP. 
Your situation does not appear to be that dire, but if nobody else has a 
solution, about the only thing left is to open a PMR. 

Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 

 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wandschneider, Scott
 Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:11 PM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Re: SFS Locked Directory
 
 Thanks Richard.  I too have worked with SFS for, well since 
 day one, a long time now.  I have never had this situation.  
 I tried all the suggestions, etc in HELP nothing worked.  Any ideas?
 
 Thank you,
 Scott R Wandschneider
 Senior Systems Programmer
 Infocrossing
 Office 402.963.8905
 
 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard
 Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:43 PM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Re: SFS Locked Directory
 
 Here is an extract from the HELP for the message:
 
 HELP MSG DMSJEN1137E
 
  System Action: RC=31 or 70.
 
  RC=31-  A rollback of active work has occurred.
 
  RC=70-  The system status remains the same.
 
  User Response: Try to enter the command a few more 
 times.  If the lock
  persists, try to resolve the lock conflict.
 
  Note:  The lock could go away before you resolve it. If 
 this occurs, enter
 the command again, or resolve the lock conflict 
 and then enter the
 command again.
 
  Otherwise, there is an explicit lock on either the file, 
 the directory,
  the file space, or the storage group. To aid in 
 resolving the locking
  conflict:
 
1.   Determine if an explicit lock exists on the file 
 (base file or
 alias on a file) or directory. Enter the QUERY 
 LOCK command to find
 out which users have explicit locks for the file 
 (base file or
 alias on a file) or directory, and ask them to 
 remove the locks.
 
2.   If no locks are held from the previous QUERY LOCK 
 command, and you
 are trying to update or write to a file or 
 directory, verify the
 directory is a DIRCONTROL directory. Do so by 
 entering the QUERY
 DIRATTR command.
 
 If it is a DIRCONTROL directory, the directory 
 might be accessed in
 read/write status by another user. Enter the 
 QUERY ACCESSORS
 command to find if a user is accessing the 
 directory R/W. If so,
 contact this user to release the directory, and 
 enter the command
 again.
 
3.   If you find no locks are held on the file or 
 directory, or for a
 DIRCONTROL directory, it is not accessed R/W, 
 there might be an
 outstanding disable lock on the file space or 
 storage group.
 
 Enter the QUERY FILEPOOL DISABLE command to find 
 out which users
 have created disable locks, and ask them to 
 remove the locks, or
 contact your file pool administrator.
 
 
 Your return code was 70. I suspect that you are the 
 administrator, so when you get to the end, start talking to 
 yourself :-)I hope this helps. I have never run into this 
 problem in over 20 years of using SFS, so I have no 
 guarantees. There was lots of other information in the HELP 
 response, so if it isn't in this extract, you might look at 
 the parts that I have omitted. That is one of the nice 
 features of VM, all of the messages are documented in the HELP files.
 
 
 Regards,
 Richard Schuh 
 
  
 
  -Original Message-
  From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wandschneider, Scott
  Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:20 PM
  To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
  Subject: SFS Locked Directory
  
  Can anybody tell me how to unlock this directory?
  
  enroll user maint techsrv: (blocks 1000 storgroup 2 
  
  DMSJEN1137E Object is locked or in use, or there is an 
 outstanding   
  DMSJEN1137E lock or disable in the object's directory 
 hierarchy  
  Ready(00070); T=0.01/0.01 16:49:40  
  
  
  Set filepool techsrv:
  
  query filepool disable 
  Object Type  Object ID  Disabled Creator   ModeLink Status 
  GROUP2  YES  SFSBKUP   SHARE   LINKED  
  Ready; T=0.01/0.01 16:50:35 
  
  filepool enable filespace mccserv 
 
  DMSWFP3485I FILEPOOL processing begun at 17:11:12 on 5 May 
  2008. 
  DMS5PU1206W No locks are held by you for file space MCCSERV   
 
  DMSWFP3486I FILEPOOL processing ended at 

Re: SFS Locked Directory

2008-05-05 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 05/05/2008, Wandschneider, Scott 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Richard.  I too have worked with SFS for, well since day one, a 
long 
 time now.  I have never had this situation.  I tried all the 
suggestions, etc 
 in HELP nothing worked.  Any ideas?

Your output to QUERY FILEPOOL DISABLE showed:
 Object Type  Object ID  Disabled Creator   ModeLink Status
 GROUP2  YES  SFSBKUP   SHARE   LINKED
 Ready; T=0.01/0.01 16:50:35

The user SFSBKUP has disabled storage group (SG) 2, not an individual 
filespace.  I think the contents of all filespaces with space on SG 2 will 
appear to be locked (because the physical storage is locked).  Did SFSBKUP 
fail?  If so, you need to do some recovery actions (consult 
documentation).  This may require manually enabling the storage group.

Or you need to satisfy whatever SFSBKUP is waiting on so that it can do 
whatever and release the locks.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott


Re: SFS

2008-05-05 Thread Alan Altmark
Everyone has heard me say it before, but SFS is where the VM POSIX Byte 
File System (BFS) lives.  As we bring new functionality to the platform, 
it often comes as a POSIX application, with LDAP being the most recent 
addition to the stable.  We cannot afford to port POSIX applications to 
native CMS applications; it's too time consuming and the original authors 
won't support it.

Where the issue is only config files on input (such as with MPROUTE) and, 
say, log files for output, we are able to host the application in such a 
way that we can redirect it to minidisk.  But applications like the LDAP 
server are not amenable to such treatment since these actually depend on 
the hierarchical structure of the BFS.  There is no minidisk-based 
alternative for such applications.  (The LDAP clients were hosted to 
redirect to minidisk.)  Nope, you don't have to deploy LDAP if you don't 
want to.  But over time the water will rise behind the dam.  There is more 
coming.

So while I appreciate the frustration of having to worry about SFS when 
you haven't in the past, the time has come for us to exploit something we 
introduced over 20 years ago in VM/SP Release 6.

Regards,
  Alan
 
Alan Altmark
Sr. Software Engineer
IBM z/VM Development


Re: Software on tape

2008-05-05 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
We have one IBM customer number for Resource Link for our San Francisco
data center and another for our Kansas City data center.  Those are the
only two in the US that have z/VM.  Neither number worked for
ShopzSeries.  I have asked our IBM rep what I should use.

Alan Altmark's answer was sufficient.  There are products we can't get
electronically.  That's enough for me to tell the storage architect that
we must have access to real tape drives.

   Dennis O'Brien

A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill.  --
Robert A. Heinlein

 
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Schuh, Richard
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:48
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Software on tape

Sorry - that CA was for California, not the vendor. I was referring to
IBM customer numbers.

Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 

 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L
 Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:44 PM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Re: Software on tape
 
 Richard,
 We have a CA customer number for each data center.  My 
 comment about ShopzSeries was related to IBM customer 
 numbers.  It's my understanding that California does not 
 charge sales tax on downloads, but only if physical media is 
 sent to California.  We dealt with this when we were a 
 California-based bank, before being acquired by NationsBank.  
 Someone discovered the sales tax issue and asked us to use 
 download whenever possible to avoid being taxed.
 
Dennis 
 
 A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes 
 downhill.  -- Robert A. Heinlein
 
  
 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard
 Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 15:35
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Software on tape
 
 We get our software from VSSI, Velocity-Software and CA via 
 FTP. I have gotten an RSU and individual PTFs from IBM that 
 way. I don't know about an initial distribution, though. 
 
 About your customer number - has BoA started having its 
 software sent to Charlotte because of the tax burden that CA 
 imposes? If so, your old CA number customer will have been 
 deleted this year. I know that mine did.
 It was supposed to have been changed over 2 years ago, but 
 nobody told me (it was an MVS secret). The old number worked 
 up to the end of last year.
 
 Regards,
 Richard Schuh 
 
  
 
  -Original Message-
  From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L
  Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:25 PM
  To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
  Subject: Software on tape
  
  I've been asked whether our z/VM systems could convert to 
 using only 
  virtual tape.  One of the possible sticking points is 
 vendor software.
  If necessary, we could keep a couple of manual tape drives 
 around for 
  software installs.  I'm trying to determine if it's necessary.
  
  Have IBM or any other software vendors made statements of direction 
  for offering alternatives to delivering software on tape?  
 I know that 
  z/VM itself has been available on DVD for the last 3 releases, and 
  CA's VM:Manager products are downloadable.  I see that z/VM and 
  products on SDO are now downloadable, too.  What about 
 products not on 
  SDO?  Is tape the only choice for those?  I tried to register for 
  ShopzSeries to see what was actually downloadable, but was told my 
  customer number doesn't exist.  Perhaps customer numbers 
 for Resource 
  Link and ShopzSeries are not the same.
  
 
 Dennis O'Brien
  
  A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes 
 downhill.  -- 
  Robert A. Heinlein
  
   
  
 


Re: SFS

2008-05-05 Thread Jim Bohnsack

Alan Altmark wrote:
snip
esnip

Yeah, but anyone who was around in VM/SP R6 days remembers SFS as being 
something that you wanted to stay away from.


Jim
So while I appreciate the frustration of having to worry about SFS when 
you haven't in the past, the time has come for us to exploit something we 
introduced over 20 years ago in VM/SP Release 6.


Regards,
  Alan
 
Alan Altmark

Sr. Software Engineer
IBM z/VM Development

  



--
Jim Bohnsack
Cornell University
(607) 255-1760
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


My 45th Anniversary at SRU

2008-05-05 Thread Fran Hensler
This is cross-posted to VSE-L and IBMVM-L.

Today is my 45th anniversary in data processing at Slippery Rock
University of PA.  On May 6, 1963 I founded the Data Processing Center
at the then Slippery Rock State College.  The center consisted of one
half-time key punch operator and me.  My mission was to automate student
registration by the fall semester and have class lists in the hands of
faculty before the first class meeting.  We had an arena style
registration for 1996 students in three days.  The class lists were
produced after working 27 straight hours.

We had Series 50 (half speed) IBM punched card tabulating equipment:
One 024 keypunch, a 548 interpreter, 082 sorter, 085 collator,
514 reproducing punch and a 402 accounting machine that could print 50 lines
per minute.  The 402 could only add and subtract.  Later we acquired a
604 calculator that could divide and therefore calculate QPA.  All of
these machines were programmed by wiring plugboards.

In 1968 we installed an IBM System/360 Model 30 computer with 32K core
memory and 14.5M of 2311 disk storage running DOS/360 Release 17.  Now
the 7.5 hour job of sorting course cards took 10 minutes!

Six model 2260 terminals were purchased in 1972 and I designed an
on-line student registration system (using FASTER, a forerunner of CICS)
that is still in use today, under the covers, in the RockTalk system
whereby students can register via telephone or on the web.  For the
first on-line registration that fall, all six terminals were setup in
the Student Union.  It took 3 days to register 5897 students.

Students had to punch their programming assignments into cards until
1975 when I implemented IJS (Interactive Job Submission) to allow input
and printing via DECwriters at a speed of 110 baud and eventually 300
baud.

In 1985 SRU acquired an IBM 4361 computer with 12M main memory.  I
tailored the VM/SP Operating System Release 3 for student use of WATFIV,
WATBOL, Pascal, C, Lisp, SPSS, ADA, Basic, Spitbol and Assist and two
years later, Modula-2.

The 1990 connection to BITNET brought email and file transfer
capabilities with other universities. 1992 saw the acquisition of an IBM
9221-170 computer with 96M of main memory and SRU was finally able to
connect to the Internet.  Since 2003 VSE and VM are running on an
18-MIPS FLEX-ES system.

I have enjoyed being a programmer, systems analyst and most of all a
systems programmer.  I have been honored by receiving the SRU
President's Award for Outstanding Service in 1994 and being inducted
into the Order of Knights of VM as Sir Fran of the Rock in 2007.

I would like to hear from anyone who has had a career with a single
employer running more than 45 years.

/Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153
Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock


Sorting output from PIPE REXXVARS TOLOAD for dumping a stem variable

2008-05-05 Thread Fred Schmidt
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 19:45:36 -0800, Alan Ackerman wrote: (Was Re: 
Another PIPE how to)
REXXVARS TOLOAD produces strings like /TABLE.0101/value -- only there is 
no guarantee that 
the delimiter will be a slash. So instead, I always use:

PIPE rexxvars TOLOAD | pick 2.6 == /TABLE./ | ...

Note that the order of the variables will be random, so you might want to
use:

PIPE rexxvars TOLOAD | pick 2.6 == /TABLE./ | sort | ...

This, and the other proposed solutions to dumping stem variables' 
contents, do not sort the values correctly if there are more than 9 
values. Eg:...

A.0=12 
A.1=a 
A.10=j 
A.11=k 
A.12=l 
A.2=b 
A.3=c 
A.4=d 
A.5=e 
A.6=f 
A.7=g 
A.8=h 
A.9=i 

This is presumably because the stem index value is variable length. I've 
mucked around trying to get the sort order correct, without success.

Any ideas?

Regards,
Fred Schmidt
Department of Corporate and Information Services (DCIS)
Data Centre Services (DCS)
Northern Territory Government, Australia


Re: SFS

2008-05-05 Thread Dave Wade
 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Jim Bohnsack
 Sent: 06 May 2008 03:15
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Re: SFS
 
 Alan Altmark wrote:
 snip
 esnip
 
 Yeah, but anyone who was around in VM/SP R6 days remembers SFS as being
 something that you wanted to stay away from.
 

Speaking as some one who was around in those days, but who only has
peripheral involvement in VM these days, I would have said that for many
applications SFS was a great tool. No one ever had enough 3380s, the floor
space and power they used saw to that. Then when you physically carve them
into MINIDISKS you waste a huge chunk of them, because every one has their
own private chunk of free space. Where I worked we would have loved to give
every one SFS A disk.

One problem that slowed its deployment was getting IBM products to support
it. I can see from

http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/browse?fn=6SP02ft=PROB

That VM/SP6 came out some time in early 89 (or perhaps late 88 which would
give us 20 years of SFS, was it that long ago)

But I can also see from:-

http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/browse?fn=OVVMft=PROBargs=sfs#hit

That almost three years later, in March 92 PROFS would not support SFS A
disks. I don't think real PROFS ever supported SFS A disk, I think we had
to have OV/VM for that...

I must admit I now find it mildly amusing to have IBM telling us we need to
use it

Dave


 Jim
  So while I appreciate the frustration of having to worry about SFS when
  you haven't in the past, the time has come for us to exploit something
 we
  introduced over 20 years ago in VM/SP Release 6.
 
  Regards,
Alan
 
  Alan Altmark
  Sr. Software Engineer
  IBM z/VM Development
 
 
 
 
 --
 Jim Bohnsack
 Cornell University
 (607) 255-1760
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: SFS

2008-05-05 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Dave Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  That almost three years later, in March 92 PROFS would not support SFS A
  disks. I don't think real PROFS ever supported SFS A disk, I think we had
  to have OV/VM for that...

I vaguely recall that support was in that they replaced the Q DISK
(to check for some number of blocks free) by COPYFILE to try copy some
dummy file to the A-disk and erase it again. Sigh...

Rob