Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
--- Anneliese Virro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Well remember that betadine is not anti-fungal, and there is > usually > > a secondary fungal infection with the bacteria of thrush. So if > you > > use Gentian violet, it will kill both things at once and for A > LOT > > Less money...its cheap... > > > > We recommend weekly treatment, in harder areas or with horses who > can > > develop thrush easily. > > > > Skye > > Skye: > > Betadine is not antifungal? I use betadine or diluted iodine on > rain rot and > it works. And rain rot is caused by a fungus isn't it? I am going > to have to > read up on that. Yep. I just asked the doc to make sure, She says bleach will kill both, but can be too harsh for the area. Gentian violet works great and is cheap.they use that a lot for womens pap smears at least in the clinics and universities that Sally went to and worked in. > > Incidentally, I was not talking about thrush but a 3-4 mm crack > right up the > middle of the hoof. I have no idea how that relates to thrush. We > had tried > all sorts of things and then my friend Marianne (an MD) suggested > that I > should try a fungicide on the crack. I did and the crack grew out > completely > in eleven months. > > Anneliese Well after 11 months you have a whole new hoof anyway, so with good care it should grow outgood job! There are cracks though caused by unbalanced trimming...some horses that are pigeon toed have this happen because the farrier tries to correct the pigeon toe on an adult horse...and with something like that, cracks can happen. Skye
[IceHorses] the Mighty Nos
I want y'all to know I love this video of my little handsome Nos so much I spent half the night on dialup uploading for you guys haha. him and curls are best friends :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1itkF7OI_NU janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Fjord an Icelandic??
--- Cherie Mascis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Is a Fjord an Iclandic horse? Or is Iclandic a breed by its self? > This > >is probably a dumb question. Dwight > > > Norwegian Fjords and Icelandics are different breeds. Both are a > fairly > ancient breed and both have ties to Vikings. I owned a Fjord before I had my IcelandicsI loved Jordan a lot...he was so beautiful. But his walk had a lot of circular motion and at the time I was recovering from a bad car accident so I sold him and continued to ride my appy, whose walk was divine. I also rode the walker at our barn every chance I couldshe was 16-3 and had a thyroid issue, so she had a heavy coat, she wasn't a looker, but boy she could move out. We tried to buy her before we moved over here...the walker was 24 years old, ugly and ate a lot, but she would never be for sale... Skye [signature deleted]
Re: [IceHorses] Tivar does hornets
>>Well, Tivar passed a big test today, being attacked by swarms of >>hornets. >>I am thinking of giving Teev benadryl? This was todays great adventure :) >>Janice I think you should call your vet and see what he/she thinks. (I am of little use with horsey vet stuff). Seems like Tivar should have something; those stings hurt! Penny
Re: [IceHorses] Collecting the Head?!?!
walking horse people frequently say to get a pacey horse to gait work uphill and to get a trotty horse to gait work downhill. also deep sand. also chains. weighted shoes or boots on the back for trot, on the front for pace. a tie down to force the nose in. some absorbine jr. on the coronet band, thats the kind method, most use like mustard oil or something and DMSO so it can be absorbed right into the skin and then you can sorta wash off the smell for the DQ inspection...and leave them blistered good later on. What gets me, I got two horses, stonewall and fox, that you cant make them NOT gait. Theres nothing you can do to them to make them not gait. You can alter it, throw off the timing, like one time when I had shoes on stonewall for the mountains for two cycles and then pulled them, he didnt gait for three whole rides. about a week. One time when fox had thrush the farrier had to cut his toes down to nubs, he had these tiny little stubby feet, and he gaited like a dream, a pure dream, and he barely had feet. I bet he could gait on his coffin bones. I dont think you can make a naturally gaited horse not gait or a non-naturally gaited horse gait. I can make Jaspar gait, but lord why bother, its so much trouble and he has a wonderful smooth stepping pace and rocking chair canter. I can make Tivar gait, but lord why go to all that trouble for now and then going so fast through the trees you are at risk of breaking your neck. just musing aloud. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Bolting
On 11/18/07, Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would not go for an imported icelandic unless I > > could see it was > > real nice and calm and I rode it a few times. > > > > I am REALLY mad. LOL. I didn't go looking. It just > happened. Like my marriage. > > Lorraine > sometimes it works out. or sometimes, like me, I married a guy who lived in a house like the movie Animal House where college students were passed out and O.D.ing on the lawn and he didnt even know who all lived there and it was HIS house. I knew I could change him! I spent the last 29 years trying to change him and he changed now and then accidentally or when he wanted to, I havent had one minutes success changing him. But I have a few horses I just knew I could change and I did! what a great feeling. but some were hopeless like my husband and some like my husband, change themselves here and there. but the main thing is that, like my husband, they know they better dance with the one that brung them or else go sleep in someone elses barn :) Janice yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Ricky Bobby
That Talledega Nights movie is so stupid I should be ashamed to admit I've even watched it, but theres something about it that just makes me laugh out loud in spots its so stupid. I watched parts of it again tonight for about the third time. But when his dad takes him up to the car and tells him he has to conquer his fears in order to race again, and get in the car and drive it and there is a giant real live cougar in there just snarling and roaring at him and he is going "ok, ok, I have to do this,": the father says the thing most people hear right before they get a broken bone from a horse fall, the father is saying "you got to release your fear Ricky, or he'll sense it and hurt you!" then when the cougar launches out when he opens the car door and knocks him on his back and is snarling in his face his father is yelling "control your heart beat Ricky! Control your heartbeat!" which is so stupid! Gosh why do horse people say THAT!!! If a person is so afraid to get on a horse that they need to "callm yourself, think calming thought, control your heartbeat!" then you dont need to be getting on that horse! Theres your sign idiot! haha. I love it. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] borat book
>>> But then, the weird thing, is Iceland is out there like a huge continent, >>> huger than north america, and there is no greenland at all haha. He must have read one of the official Icelandic Horse publications - that's the impression I always got of Iceland, from reading them. :) Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM
[IceHorses] borat book
There is a Borat book out now. It has lots of gross stuff in it, especially some horse pictures etc, but like the movie, it was so gross and offensive but then would be funny as heck. One thing just made me crack up and I dont realize the meaning of it really, maybe just coincidence? Near the beginning (I was browsing it at books a million) there is a "Map of the World" and it is hilarious. It shows the USA as this teeeny little country and then all of europe almost is taken up by KHAZAKASTAN or whatever his country is, and it takes up way more on the map than russia and the country name is huge and bold while the rest of europe is real small letters etc. I dont even think germany or england is on there. But then, the weird thing, is Iceland is out there like a huge continent, huger than north america, and there is no greenland at all haha. but just interesting. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Tivar does hornets
Well, Tivar passed a big test today, being attacked by swarms of hornets. We were first in line, and being first you usually dont get attacked so bad. But all of a sudden the person behind me started yelling, and at first I thought her yelling spooked him or made him mad or something because he siddenly started going really fast in a weird sorta skittery gait and made a sudden right through the trees, slammed on brakes, ran backwards about five feet, took off left, took off right, slammed on brakes, ran backwards, it was happening so fast I didnt even have time to react and then they were all just screaming and horses were crashing through the trees and one took off bucking and two people hit the dirt and Tivar was just like Peter Falk in that movie the Inlaws where he goes "serpentine! serpentine!" I just gradually grew aware that hornets were everywhere and he was stomping and switching his tail and jumping around like a jumping bean. But I didnt hit the ground and you know why?? I never tried to stop him. I was so puzzled by his behavior it never ocurred to me he was "misbehaving" and I honestly thought he had had a sudden jab in his butt or something and needed to get me off him but he wouldnt slow down long enough for me to get off so i just hung on. He was stung about twenty times! and he never bucked, never bolted, just did that crazy crazy serpentine skittering around, carrying us further and further from the hornets all the time. He is a great trail horse. Jaspar is good with hornets too, only he just takes off cantering fast, never loses his head. I had that sensation about Tivar today, that he never lost his head. Everyone on the ride was seasoned on the trail and had been attacked by hornets in the past so why on earth they all persisted in trying to get a horse to whoa and stand in a cloud of swarming hornets I will never know. Just reflex i think! Also I think it was the better horsemen that were in trouble because they had a reflex to get their horses under control, while me, the one who rides and stays on by the grace of God, just went oh dear, tivar is weirding out, hang on, hang on. I realize now his weird serpines were to brush himself against trees to get the stinging ones off his back end. His rump has lots and lots of welts! I knocked off at least a dozen still crumpled up and stinging. He was a very good boy today, taking care of us! Also we were shot at I think, we all think, not shot at, but happened to be in the line of fire for a hunter. It was black powder season but we all agree it sounded like a shotgun... One lady's black horse had a yellow face and I have to call tomorrow and see how she is, she was going to take the mare straight to the vet for a shot. I am thinking of giving Teev benadryl? Someone said to give him seven pills. should I do that?? He seems ok. I had to get back on him by leading him up to a tree that had broken off and walk up it leading him, then made him stand in the piles of broken limbs, mostly in his face, while I hung onto the saddle and pulled myself up on the broken tree stump which was real small around and if he had taken a step it would have been very sharp to land on! But he stood there with his face crammed with bushes, ears flat, grumpy as heck, his butt covered in welts, tail swishing, and as soon as I got on he was real arrogant and purposeful walking like "hey, I am the MAN" hah. My friends arab kicked at teev several times on the ride and he ignored her, but when we were almost to the trailer he trotted past her and flattened his ears and everyone laughed :) Her rider was one of the ones who hit the dirt. she did a sorta dolphin launch when he tried to whoa her in the cloud of hornets. This was todays great adventure :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Darn, that Xylophone
Darn, Charm is NOT the first horse to play a xylophone! Dang! Here is a beautiful black and white pinto, in his first clicker training lesson (at least he is a student of mine :-)): http://youtube.com/watch?v=TR38KOiG4Ck Judy
RE: [IceHorses] Foxhunting in NC
>>> The first two horses are TWH...what gait?! Would one of those riders be Ivy? Pretty pictures, btw. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Boots
I think they're cool looking and they are on my Christmas list, but so are a lot of things so I might not get them! Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
[IceHorses] Re: Boots
> http://www.equestrian-tack.com/neduribo.html I don't have them, but they sure look comfy!! Judy
Re: [IceHorses] OT - Love in the Times of Cholera
>> Where did you see the movie? at a local theater. >>My father and his family were from Bogota', Colombia and he told me how beautiful it was there i think most of the filming was done in Bogota and yes...it looked beautiful. Lush and green. >> grandfather was shot and killed and my grandmother was given political asylum here OMgosh!! How sad. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] Naked Running Film
New upcoming film documentary 'Naked Running" (barefoot horses) http://tinyurl.com/2cauhu Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] OT - Love in the Times of Cholera
In a message dated 11/18/2007 6:21:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Where did you see the movie? My father and his family were from Bogota', Colombia and he told me how beautiful it was there. They had a town home and a coffee plantation. I have always had a bad feeling about there since my grandfather was shot and killed and my grandmother was given political asylum here to NY. They did go back a few years later and my father graduated from school there then came to the US and became a citizen. He died from Cancer (lung) when I was 18 so I lost the family connection totally. I would be terrified to go there it is the murder capitol of the world. Sylvia ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[IceHorses] Boots
Does anyone own a pair of these? http://www.equestrian-tack.com/neduribo.html If so, what do you think of them? -- Wanda Saskatchewan Canada
[IceHorses] OT - Love in the Times of Cholera
Mu hubby and I went to see "Love in the Times of Cholera". What a wonderful love story. Anywho...it was filmed in Colombia, the mountain scenes were breathtaking and I would LOVE to ride those trails!! They used Paso Finos in the film, as well as mules. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] Re: Happy Lion-ot
> > Hope this works > I guess it didnt Here it is: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/amazing-hug-lion-hug/1530429183 Judy
[IceHorses] Re: Happy Lion-ot
> > AmazingHu...wmv (1559.9 KB) > > > > > > Hope this works > > > I guess it didnt Lorraine, what was it? Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Fjord an Icelandic??
On Nov 18, 2007 7:45 PM, Cherie Mascis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They are considered a small draft > horse. They are not gaited. I have both and love them for their different > personalities. > Here's Tyra the fjord. What is the difference in their personalities? My vet says he thinks of Icelandics as miniature draft horses. -- Anna Southern Ohio
[IceHorses] Collecting the Head?!?!
A quote from a rider in Iceland: "One of the unusual things about Icelandics is that they are five gaited. In addition to the usual walk, trot and canter, there is also tölt and there is another kind of gallop. It was time to tölt! It is often used for covering downhill stretches, although I don't know why. To get your horse to tölt, you have to really shorten up the reins and collect the head, and then you roll your legs and knees into the horse while sitting really firmly in the butt. Glorious! It is a running walk, and it flies across the ground very smoothly. It is very easy to sit to, and not at all bouncy. Kjarkor, my horse, is one who is known for his lovely tölt. I was lucky! In fact, he doesn't like to trot, almost immediately going to tölt. We also had a short canter at one point." In regard to "tölt ... often used for covering downhill stretches": this is because it's easier to get a horse that is not very naturally gaited to gait going downhill, and to trot uphill. In regard to "really shorten up the reins and collect the head": collection is something that references the frame of the whole horse, starting with the hindquarters. You can't "collect" a head. In reference to "It is a running walk": I think some Icelandics do a running walk, but the tolt is a rack (the slower tolt being a saddle rack). Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Dagur and his new bareback pad
> He's so darn cute. >;] How did you like using that > new pad? > I am embarrassed to say I didn't make it. He was moving around so much that I was afraid it would slip. That is why he needs mounting block work. Judy is going to help me. Lorraine Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
RE: [IceHorses] Fjord an Icelandic??
> Here's Tyra the fjord. > > Cherie, Very gorgous. Lorraine Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] Dagur and his new bareback pad
> That looks good on him Lorraine. What structure is > that behind him? > I'd like to see more pics of that. I'd like more They are just lean to. They attache to any pipe corral. They were about $300 each in Pheonix. Lorraine Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Bolting
> I would not go for an imported icelandic unless I > could see it was > real nice and calm and I rode it a few times. > I am REALLY mad. LOL. I didn't go looking. It just happened. Like my marriage. Lorraine Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Happy Lion-ot
--- Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Security scan upon download > AmazingHu...wmv (1559.9 KB) > > > Hope this works > > Lorraine I guess it didnt
Re: [IceHorses] Fjord an Icelandic??
On Nov 18, 2007 8:45 PM, Cherie Mascis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Is a Fjord an Iclandic horse? Or is Iclandic a breed by its self? This > > > Here's Tyra the fjord. > > Cherie She's a beauty! V
[IceHorses] Reading? Virginia?
> > > (by my favorite SF writer - Sherri Tepper) > OH! Me to!!! She's virtually unknown in the UK but I think she's fabulous. Mic Great minds think alike ;-) . I first discovered her when we lived in the UK and the local library had "Beauty" on the shelf. I was hooked and have read everything she wrote since. I've just finished "Water for Elephants". Couldn't put it down...highly recommend! Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Foxhunting in NC
> The first two horses are TWH...what gait?! Trish, can you send me the original image (higher resolution) so that I can see the horses up closer. Also, do you have any other pictures of these TWH's? Thanks! Judy
[IceHorses] hay burning day
>>In this first picture, Dagur is quietly taking stock of the situation<< I get the digest version so can't see pics...bet they're great! Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Dagur and his new bareback pad
He's so darn cute. >;] How did you like using that new pad? Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Bolting
On 18/11/2007, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have ridden with maybe 75 paso > finos and i have never met one that was sweet and laid back. Our neighbours own paso finos and rode over here one day. The one mare looked quite nice, but the younger mare just looked like she wanted to land on the moon. I've since heard that their stallions can't be handled at all. There have been many farriers go over there to try trim them, but have been unsuccessful so far. I wonder what their feet look like by now? Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Fjord an Icelandic??
> Is a Fjord an Iclandic horse? Or is Iclandic a breed > by its self? This > is probably a dumb question. Dwight Hi Dwight, there are no dumb questions! The Fjord and Icelandic are two different, separate breeds of ponies. The Fjord is an older breed than the Icelandic Horse which is basically man-made, about a thousand years go. Fjords go back further. They have been connected thru mitochondrial DNA, so Fjord may be an ancestor of the Icelandic. These pages may give you additional information: http://iceryder.net/pony.html http://iceryder.net/ancestors.html http://iceryder.net/origin.html http://iceryder.net/historyshort.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Foxhunting in NC
Thanks for posting these great photos. I forwarded them to one of the gals I ride with. She used to ride to hounds in England. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Bolting
Gee Janice, tell us what you really think. I have only had the one walker, a Generator gelding. He's not completely schitzo, but not too far off the mark. He has improved with lots of consistant riding, but is still a very odd horse. I love him, by the way, but have to love the two Icelandic mares more. Neither has a nutty gene in her entire body. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Hoof problems, rain rot
>>Betadine is not antifungal? I use betadine or diluted iodine on rain rot and >>it works. And rain rot is caused by a fungus isn't it? I am going to have to >>read up on that. Betadine is an antibacterial and antifungal. Rain rot is a bacterium that has some fungal-like properties. Another reason why betadine works is it's somewhat drying and rain rot cannot live in a dry environment. Also, rain rot in anaerobic and doesn't do well around air. When I lived in Marin county, CA, rain rot was common. My horse never got it because I made sure to dry him out between rains. Minimally, I vigorously brushed him and fluffed his hair to let air in to his skin. (He was a Welsh/Arabian, not Icelandic). It probably takes longer for rain to get down to the skin on a hairy Icelandic, but once it got down there, it would probably stay moist. Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] trivia question
>hmm. that sounds right... but i heard it was Neptune.! Are neptune >and poseidon the same dude?? Just surprised me it was a seashore god >and a horse is a land animal but cool anyway! >Janice-- >yipie tie yie yo Poseidon is in charge of a strange variety of things, the sea, horses, earthquakes, etc. I think at one time, if people wanted to win horse races they threw a sacrifice horse into the sea! Janice, Neptune is the Roman version of Poseidon, I think he was in charge of horse racing as well as water too! Cherie
[IceHorses] Re: Hoof problems
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Cherie Mascis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Believe it or not Betadine mixed with sugar and slathered in the cracks works really well for hoof cracks that don't grow out well. > > Cherie > It does work. My farrier called it "sugardyne". The bacteria love the sugar and the betadine kills the bacteria. Cheap and easy. Kayla
Re: [IceHorses] Re: ebay goodies
On Nov 18, 2007 1:26 PM, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think you can go directly to the website and order it there. > > Thanks, got it ordered! -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] Dagur and his new bareback pad
On 18/11/2007, Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here is Dagur before I take him for a walk. I need > more work on the mounting block. That looks good on him Lorraine. What structure is that behind him? I'd like to see more pics of that. I'd like more shade out in our paddocks and am constantly looking for ideas. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Dangerous Effects of Vaccinations
On 11/18/07, Penelope Hodge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the incidence of > adverse events vs the benefit of the vaccine you would come up with a > different outlook. haha, o yeah, adverse events vs benefits is something I am a believer in! if one of my horses dies of a bad reaction to a shot that would be horrible terrible, heartbreaking. But you havent lived til the USDA, health department, and several vets are in your pasture at 9 PM with spotlights and powertools cutting your horse's brain out... when a little 14 dollar shot woulda fixed it... all my little nehoews exposed, students working for the summer at the vet exposed, the 10,000 dollar shot series for post exposure... oh yeah. why do you need all those pesky little vaccinations... all I gotta say is dont try and sell your potential heartbreak to any decent people... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Bolting
you know, we all have our relatively limited experience with horses and every time I say it it makes lots of people MAD but I have known and ridden with maybe fifty arabians and of those only one was real gentle and quiet and laid back. I have ridden with maybe 75 paso finos and i have never met one that was sweet and laid back. I have ridden with literally hundred of walking horses and any of them from modern show bloodlines where completely hyper schitzos. (generator, pusher). This is my experience. So if I went looking for a horse to buy for me, I would not go looking for a paso fino or arab or modern bloodline walker. I would not go for an imported icelandic unless I could see it was real nice and calm and I rode it a few times. jmo Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: You tube woes
I have never seen myself ride bareback because you have to be a really good rider to ride bareback Anna, something you are in an elite group of :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] trivia question
On 11/16/07, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:55:01 -0600, you wrote: > > >who is the horse God in Greek mythology? > > > Poseidon. > > Mic > hmm. that sounds right... but i heard it was Neptune.! Are neptune and poseidon the same dude?? Just surprised me it was a seashore god and a horse is a land animal but cool anyway! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
I am a Planner, and one time about five years ago an engineer who was once the head engineer of a NUCLEAR POWER PLANT brought in a site plan drawing for a development that was nothing but a giant blueprint drawing of a big square. no dimensions, no measurements, no structure, not even a north arrow. He smiled real sweetly the whole time dutring our meeting like he had altzheimers. I said "well wheres the building going?" he said "here" and pointed in the middle of the square. I said "well, like how I am supposed to know?" and he said get this "because I am telling you,. I am a registered engineer, here is my seal". I swear to goodness. Then the bad part came when local greedy satanic developers began to figure out he would do anything for two hundred bucks and started just telling him to draw crazy plans and one after the other here they came, applying to build shopping centers, mini malls, gas stations on US hwy 98 no turn lanes, no parking spaces, stuff like that. So yes, I have some good engineering jokes :) My nephew is a civil engineer tho, so I have to admit now and then one comes along that is ok... Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
On 11/16/07, Penelope Hodge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Oh, no, not a vet. I am a ... uh ... ditch digger. Yup, that's me. > Digging ditches. Ain't never had much schooling. > > Penny > oh gee thats too bad, I was thinking how nice it would be to have a vet on here who was speaking to me. I only know of one so far and I have to keep my location secret or she'll drive cross country and put a bag of horse poop on my porch and set it on fire and ring my doorbell. But its hey, your loss. I was gonna discuss all sorts of really cool stuff with you, like how tivar and nasi's blood is being studied at cornell vet school and Jaspar's blood work came back fine but a little anemic even tho I have had him on that equine geritol for two months and how I have some video on youtube from when I spoke at auburn vet school because I have had the only icelandic in the history of the planet to officially die of rabies in my pasture and all the dozens of unsuspecting people who were exposed. Then I was gonna share with you my "QUESTION AUTHORITY" mentality when it comes to vets and engineers and doctors :) Jaspar gained 15 pounds the last four days btw. WHOOO HO, my big man is on the MEND. Keep praying, you know who you are! apparently my other vet, the really best vet around, is uhmn, how shall we say, NOT the best equine dentist... but now i think his teeth are ok and he's gaining! anyway. If you are not a vet, but a doctor, I have this mole on my shoulder... Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Pics of my trip to Hawaii-Founder myths
> I've had two horses that've had laminitis. One was overweight - > not as bad > as many Icelandic's I've seen, but she was fat. > Let's not just blame the owners, and keep people ashamed to talk > about > problems they didn't cause. That sort of thinking is not in the > horses' > best interest. I can see that point with Cushings horses..I was just talking about horses that founder, they are seperate issues in the same thread so to speak. And I was just talking about the horses in our business...the ones in our business have foundered because of the owners over feeding or feeding grain. That is a fact with the horses we have seen. I believe we also need to face the facts that founder is man made disease a lot of the timeI know people want to place blame elsewhere, and yes some horses are IR, and no matter what you do they will have issues as it is a metabolic thing with their internal bodies... Skye
[IceHorses] Happy Lion-ot
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Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
On 11/15/07 7:07 PM, "Bia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I use straight iodine but...what is gentian violet exactly? > Thanks Bia: There is 1% iodine and there is 7% (also called strong iodine). Be really careful with the 7% stuff it can really burn the skin; for most application it should be used very diluted. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
> > Well remember that betadine is not anti-fungal, and there is usually > a secondary fungal infection with the bacteria of thrush. So if you > use Gentian violet, it will kill both things at once and for A LOT > Less money...its cheap... > > We recommend weekly treatment, in harder areas or with horses who can > develop thrush easily. > > Skye Skye: Betadine is not antifungal? I use betadine or diluted iodine on rain rot and it works. And rain rot is caused by a fungus isn't it? I am going to have to read up on that. Incidentally, I was not talking about thrush but a 3-4 mm crack right up the middle of the hoof. I have no idea how that relates to thrush. We had tried all sorts of things and then my friend Marianne (an MD) suggested that I should try a fungicide on the crack. I did and the crack grew out completely in eleven months. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
On 11/15/07 6:41 PM, "Anna Hopkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Annilese mentioned putting a fungicide on the hooves for non-healing > hoof cracks. Any one have suggestions on type or brand. Janice > suggested Thrushbuster from Saddleup tack but Susan doesn't have it > listed on her site. I found in Valley vet, Thrushbuster by Mustad, > but it sounds very strong and if it's not really thrush, but some > other fungus or bacteria, will it still work. Has any one tried > soaking hooves with bleach or betadine. My farrier suggested bleach > soaking, but I forgot the formula. Any input would be appreciated. > At this point I'm just reading descriptions in the catalogue. I > thought I'd try two different types just to cover my bases. I used a > few treatments of a Hoof disinfectant by Farrier's Formula, but now > I'm out of it. Anna: I honestly think it does not matter what you use, any kind of fungicide will do. I used whatever I had on hand: iodine, coppertox, fungaway - bleach would probably also work. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] OT-Parrots-horses
No, although I have always that's how they do it at the track. Every time he stretched to pee, I said "Go potty Hunter". And treated him when he performed. He now pee's several times each time I go to catch him. I have to hold back treats for the later performances. Of course this does beg the question concerning who has trained who. I'm sure Hunter stands around in the afternoon claiming he has taught me to provide goodies just by peeing. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Ponies for Peace
What a great story! A rider on the gaited endurance list sent the linK for Sister Madonna Buder http://www.rolemodelsofhealth.com/index.php?position=sisterbuder She's another extraordinary older woman. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Dangerous Effects of Vaccinations
Actually, this is not informative nor is it well documented. Vaccines do cause problems; well documented, proven ...so no need to go hunting zebras. However, when you look at the risk/benefit analysis, - the incidence of adverse events vs the benefit of the vaccine you would come up with a different outlook. People are beginning to forget life before vaccines. I was born in 1956 (before polio vaccine was available). As I've said before, Penny, I'm SO glad you're back on the list. Yes, I remember life before certain vaccines, human and animal. I've had a puppy from the pound go through parvo. I think you were on list-vacation last year when Janice lost Stali to rabies - did you hear about that? You'd think that story alone would be enough to make some people stop "hunting zebras." Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Pics of my trip to Hawaii-Founder myths
>>> Actually, not all grasses are created the same, and warm weather tropical grasses are usully better, like bermuda for instance..and of course not overfeeding, and keeping up on the trims so the white line never streches, etc etc etcFoundered horses are A LOT of our farrier business, unfortunatley we have found that it is a human issue more than grass.Every foundered horse we have Ever seen in our business foundered because of humans..either overfeeding with no exercise, or put on full feed on rich cattle grass that is for cattle to fatten up on before slaughter. No, that's not right. That's not what current research points to. Yes, feeding is a big part of the management of a horse at risk for laminitis, but the root cause of laminitis seems to be an internal cause. Some horses simply seem to have low risk, while the others have such high risk that it's almost impossible to prevent - at least with the current knowledge base. Some horses can be fat and live on lush pastures forever and not develop laminitis. Some thin horses will also develop it. If there is anything that makes me angry, it's when people make it sound like stupid owners are the only cause of it. No wonder Icelandic owners denied that it occurs in this breed for so long. Who wants to be branded a careless, uncaring or stupid owner? Sometimes, it's simply going to happen. We do the best we can with management, but sometimes that's simply not enough. Bad enough to have a beloved horse get sick - it's salt in the wound to go blaming people who did nothing wrong. I've had two horses that've had laminitis. One was overweight - not as bad as many Icelandic's I've seen, but she was fat. The other horses in that very same pasture were not fat. None were getting any grain at all at that time. Why did she founder, and not the others? I'm sure if I tested her, we'd find she's insulin resistant, while the others aren't. We didn't know about IR then - thank god for the ongoing research that has since isolated it. My other horse who had laminitis was thin - was never an easy keeper and he lost even more weight the week or so before his attack. He had Cushing's and laminitis is a very common symptom of Cushing's, possibly one of the most common causes per the research I've read. Just how would you blame an owner for giving his/her horse Cushing's disease? You can't. My farrier says that a notable percentage of foundered horses he treats are thin. Maybe 20-30%...sure, many are fat, but certainly not all. Some are even normal weight. Let's not just blame the owners, and keep people ashamed to talk about problems they didn't cause. That sort of thinking is not in the horses' best interest. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM
RE: [IceHorses] File - Editing, Responding to the List
--- Mary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Just a reminder for those who may need it<< > >>Top posting is not allowed<< > Judy I have a question, though: Why is top posting > not > allowed? > > Mary I like the rule as you can follow the content much better if if post underneath.. Skye
[IceHorses] Fjord an Icelandic??
Is a Fjord an Iclandic horse? Or is Iclandic a breed by its self? This is probably a dumb question. Dwight
Re: [IceHorses] Re: hay burning day
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:00:35 -0600, you wrote: >So it goes in a separate pile and we take it out to the old trailer >foundation to burn. If you have neighbours with ruminants (goats, sheep or cows) they would probably be glad of the mouldy stuff (if it's the usual white mould that grows on haylage), it doesn't hurt them and they love it. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Re: hay burning day
On 18/11/2007, Anna Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They are too cute. Can barely see Peppy in the weeds. What hay are > you burning? Is it waste from what the horses didn't eat or hay > that's too old/moldy to feed? We use round bales now, the majority of which is grass hay. We pluck off their daily ration, but sometimes we find a patch of moldy hay... (I find alfalfa can really cause a lot of mold problems). So it goes in a separate pile and we take it out to the old trailer foundation to burn. We have the foundation fenced but Solon jumped in there and ate to his hearts content one day So they haven't been allowed in the big pasture until we could get this burning down. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Pics of my trip to Hawaii-Founder myths
>>> Looks like they would founder for sure with all that green! Actually, not all grasses are created the same, and warm weather tropical grasses are usully better, like bermuda for instance..and of course not overfeeding, and keeping up on the trims so the white line never streches, etc etc etcFoundered horses are A LOT of our farrier business, unfortunatley we have found that it is a human issue more than grass.Every foundered horse we have Ever seen in our business foundered because of humans..either overfeeding with no exercise, or put on full feed on rich cattle grass that is for cattle to fatten up on before slaughter. And the rare, got into the feed room and overate grain. I have 1 horse who I have in a large paddock and feed LMF low carb with alfalfa pellets...he does great on that diet, otherwise my horses are on pasture. In our part of hawaii the pasture grasses grow year round, which is nice for our feed bill and more natural for them. We do our best to keep our horses in a natural environment Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Re: hay burning day
On 11/18/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The boys a certainly a curious bunch. > They are too cute. Can barely see Peppy in the weeds. What hay are you burning? Is it waste from what the horses didn't eat or hay that's too old/moldy to feed? -- Anna Southern Ohio
[IceHorses] Re: ebay goodies
What I do want for myself is Sleipnir's story. I think you can go directly to the website and order it there. The link is here: http://iceryder.net/sleipnirsstory.html Judy
RE: [IceHorses] Ponies for Peace
>>> When Sister Eileen Derrick was diagnosed with breast cancer two summers ago, she said she felt like she had lost control. OH! I believe she's the nun who contacted me about buying Reddi for her program - it was just in the planning stages then, and I'd already sold him. She seemed so genuine - I'm glad to hear she got her program off the ground. She never mentioned her breast cancer to me, nor did she ask for a donated horse. She was looking to buy one. I wonder where she found her Icelandic...? I think I put her in contact with Stephanie Sher, knowing she sponsored the St. Skutla award... Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM
RE: [IceHorses] OT-Parrots
The cue for my dogs is the same as yours:"Go Poopy"...for my birds it's "Bombs Away" or "Fire in the hole"...I think you can indeed train older birds...I can't remember how old Hoover is, but Charlie learned at 35 years old...she didn't have any potty training at all before that. Hoover was not young when we had our little breakthrough with him - he was a wild-caught bird who lived with another family until we got him. I think he was 10-12-ish when we got him. Any doubts I have would be related to the particulars of any given bird, not particularly age related. Mainly, I didn't want to give the impression that ALL birds can be potty trained. Maybe they can, but I don't want to mislead people about the mess. Parrots are wonderful - but they do come with some side "benefits" people should be aware of! Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Another Charm Video / Drifa
I put my arms out to the side, so that he knew, for sure, where I was, and he'd stop exactly in the right spot without bumping me. > Sounds good; I am going to try it. Not sure about > the video, though... Just set your camera on the car, a fence, trash can, window sill, whatever, and turn it on, then work in front of it. Extra stuff can be edited out. I can help you. Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Dangerous Effects of Vaccinations
> http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html > > This article is especially informative, and is well documented. > > Meg Actually, this is not informative nor is it well documented. Vaccines do cause problems; well documented, proven ...so no need to go hunting zebras. However, when you look at the risk/benefit analysis, - the incidence of adverse events vs the benefit of the vaccine you would come up with a different outlook. People are beginning to forget life before vaccines. I was born in 1956 (before polio vaccine was available). I got ear/tonsil infections that could not be cleared up. My only early memories are of crying in pain from my ears. I continue to have ear problems as a result. The doctor did not want to remove the tonsils because the threat of polio in hospialized children was so high at the time. I have a friend who had polio (he's about my age). I am very glad my parents waited on the vaccine; I would rather have my ear problems than his polio problems (although he does have that handy-dandy blue placard that gets him better parking). I have also had shingles ( and the subsequent ghost pains) - not deadly but I would rather have had the vaccine... Or - just go volunteer at almost any shelter/humane society in the States and see the parvo vaccinated vs the parvo not-vaccinated; and then watch the parvo unvaccinated be euthanised or being treated and suffer through that (they vomit and diarrhea blood, often for days) and often die (most shelters cannot afford to treat these puppies properly). Go to a country where the dogs are not vaccinated for rabies and watch children (and adults) die from rabies... I have watched movies and rabies is a particularly nasty, horrible death. Polio is still out there; go see what that does. Then come back and discuss vaccines... Penny
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Another Charm Video / Drifa
> Ljufur was so good at it. That was with no rope, no pull on the tail, > just asking him to back up to me. I put my arms out to the side, so > that he knew, for sure, where I was, and he'd stop exactly in the > right spot without bumping me. > > Do you think that might help Drifa? Sounds good; I am going to try it. Not sure about the video, though... Penny
RE: [IceHorses] File - Editing, Responding to the List
I totally understand, and I do agree that this is the most 'beautiful' of lists! Just never knew the top posting netiquette. Please don't think I am being combative - just wondering. Just have a hard time remembering. I will remember from now on...I hope. Mary
RE: [IceHorses] OT -Dancing Grandma
Raven ~ How do you always come up with these wonderful links? Mary
RE: [IceHorses] File - Editing, Responding to the List
>>>Why is top posting not allowed? We quote a line or two from the previous post, as a reference, to make things easier to read, and then post our response *below* that. It is email netiquette to do it this way. When we all do it the same way, we have consistency, and it makes the messages, digests, and archives easier to read. We receive so many compliments on this family of lists because of the ease of reading, neatness, and searchability of the archives. (Which reminds me, I need to ask Skye to take out her signature because if we try to do a search for "founder", it pulls up all of her posts, and not the posts on the topic of founder :-() Other lists may not have posting guidelines, but basically they are chit-chat lists and not educational lists, so no need to have things nice and neat and clean and searchable. Judy
RE: [IceHorses] OT-Parrots-horses
Nancy~ did you train Hunter by whistling? Mary
[IceHorses] Ponies for Peace
Healing with Horsepower By Alaina Potrikus When Sister Eileen Derrick was diagnosed with breast cancer two summers ago, she said she felt like she had lost control. Her faith wasn't the only thing that got her through the dark days of the illness. Looking out of her window at the Alverna Heights convent, she could see her two ponies frolicking on the grounds of the 185-acre sanctuary atop a hill near Green Lakes State Park in Manlius. "Just to gaze out into my yard reminded me that life is not all askew," she said. "There is harmony and peace in the world. You just have to find it." Now in recovery, Sister Eileen hopes to teach children and adults how animals can help people. She'll promote the Ponies for Peace project she is trying to get off the ground Sunday at Jim Marshall Farms on New Boston Road outside Chittenango, discussing how unconditional love from animals can heal the mind and spirit. Derrick grew up in the Southern Tier and joined Syracuse's religious community during college. A teacher by trade, she taught religion and music at Bishop Ludden for five years and began riding horses in the mid-1980s, after talking to a fellow sister at an annual retreat about her desire to learn more about the animals. "God was there," she said. "I saw his hand in it, because all along the way I had opportunities." Now, the 56-year-old balances equine therapy with a full-time job as director of music at St. James Catholic Church in Cazenovia, where her daily schedule includes music lessons and choir practices. "I wasn't sure if this was a thing a sister should be doing," she continued. "But you have to follow your heart, and this is where my heart went. "Our world needs to start with peace within ourselves," she said. "Our lives are too fast. Kids are too stressed. People need quiet." Her animal therapists - a 20-year-old Icelandic pony named Laekur and a 7-year-old Norwegian Fjord pony named Rusa - live in a field adjacent to the brick house that she shares with several other members of the convent. Visitors will be able to spend time with the pair, taking walks and learning how to care for them. Riding will also be a component of Ponies for Peace, Sister Eileen explained, because the rhythm of the activity can have the relaxing effect of a mantra. And even though her ponies are smaller in size than standard horses, they can still bear the weight of adults. "Sometimes, the inside of us is all mixed up," she said. "When you're riding, it all evens out." She's seen it work before. At summer day camps run by the Sisters of St. Francis and other volunteers at Alverna Heights, children from the inner city have been able open up about heavy emotional experiences while learning about tadpoles or taking nature walks. She hopes her ponies will allow people of all ages who feel lost or overwhelmed to do the same. "They're kind of a distraction," she said. "You forget who you are and you have to focus on this animal. They lift you out of yourself."
Re: [IceHorses] OT -Dancing Grandma
> wow! 84 year old dances with 24 year old. > shoot...no way that i could > do this at my age...now! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKRZv6NGjdc > Wow. That was cool. Lorraine Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Dangerous Effects of Vaccinations
The Lund Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html > > This article is especially informative, and is well documented. > > Meg Well, if you actually start reading the studies she quotes they are not at all showing what she claims they show... Mostly they show antibodies against BOVINE proteins (because those are found in vaccines) and weak or no reaction to canine thyroglobulin (which seems to be the only canine protein they have studied?). And I don't know if this text is old or if she on purpose excluded the latest publication of the "beagle study" (previous results found in the first link in "endnotes") which showed that although the beagles had antithyroglobulin antibodies that didn't result in a higher amount of thyroid disease in them compared to unvaccinated dogs. I was too lazy to find other studies since based already on the first few she seems to be one of those persons who have decided how things are and then distorts everything she finds to support that (or ignores the ones she can't bend her way). I'm not saying there is no harm done with vaccinations but this article certainly isn't very reliable. Krisse
Re: [IceHorses] OT-Parrots-horses
Hunter, a horse, urinates on command. It's a great "trick" for an endurance horse to know. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] File - Editing, Responding to the List
>>Just a reminder for those who may need it<< >>Top posting is not allowed<< Judy~ I am sorry I keep breaking the rules. I don't mean to, Just have a difficult time remembering them, as stated in the email, my other lists don't have them. I have a question, though: Why is top posting not allowed? Mary
RE: [IceHorses] OT-Parrots
The cue for my dogs is the same as yours:"Go Poopy"...for my birds it's "Bombs Away" or "Fire in the hole"...I think you can indeed train older birds...I can't remember how old Hoover is, but Charlie learned at 35 years old...she didn't have any potty training at all before that. Mary
[IceHorses] OT -Dancing Grandma
wow! 84 year old dances with 24 year old. shoot...no way that i could do this at my age...now! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKRZv6NGjdc Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] File - Editing, Responding to the List
Just a reminder for those who may need it: Please follow the list rules about editing / trimming (deleting) unnecessary quoted text and all message headers, footers, Yahoo ads, list footer, etc. from your replies to list messages. Email list netiquette calls for only quoting 2-3 lines of relevant text as reference for a response (and that quoted text should be less than your response). It is standard netiquette. Look at how other list members post. Place your response *below* the small quoted text from the message to which you are responding. Quoted text should be within brackets >>like this<< (pointing IN to the quote). Top posting is not allowed. If editing / trimming is a problem, please use a new, clean email to post to the list. Be sure your email program is set to Plain Text format (or "basic") and not HTML (or fancy text with colors and backgrounds). Posts to the list that contain large amounts of unnecessary quoted text make it very difficult for digest readers to find the replies, to search our archives, and for people who pay for local phone service by the minute. If those members have to wade through all the quotes to find your response, it may not be read or taken seriously. Digest members, especially, need to delete the whole digest from their replies. Other lists may not have these requirements (which are a basic part of email list netiquette), but we like to have our lists on the more professional side. Our archives are a very valuable source of information and we'd like to be able to keep them without being charged alot for them. I'm reasonably sure that those who quote excessively may not want to contribute to the expense it may cost us. So please snip (edit, trim) anything that's not needed and quite a few people (including the moderators :-)) will be very grateful. And thanks much for your participation on list! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] OT-Parrots
On 18/11/2007, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We do have some accidents along - best not get a bird if you can't take > that! > Karen Thomas, NC I had a pet sparrow as a kid, and when I think back on it now I don't recall her making a mess anywhere. Her cage door was mostly open, and I think she flew in there to do her business. I remember a few accidents here and there, but it never seemed to be a problem. She was a smart little thing. One of her jobs was to wake me up for school in the morning. She would fly into my bedroom (she would roost in her cage at night)and wake me up when she thought I should be getting out of bed. Unfortunately she didn't realize when it was Saturday or Sundaybut maybe that's why I'm an early riser to this day. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] OT-Parrots
On Nov 18, 2007 8:51 AM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After 12 years, he still hasn't given up hope - what an > optimist. She probably loves him in her own way. V
RE: [IceHorses] OT-Parrots
Dumb question time...don't birds poop all over the place? V Not dumb at all. They have a fast metabolism, meaning it happens about every 20-30 minutes or so. Hoover and my Gray know the verbal command, "Go poopy," so we simply hold them over a paper towel periodically. I'm not sure all birds will learn it. Actually, I first taught her, then one day in the car, Hoover was imitating every move she made. (Background - she's the only female I have, and Hoover has been in love with her since the first day we got him. Poor Hoover. The feeling is NOT mutual.) So, on a hunch, right after she "went", I switched birds, held him over the paper towel, and said, "Go poopy." Ah, what Hoover is motivated to learn in the name of love It worked. Well, at least as far as the potty training. It didn't seem to win him any points in love unfortunately. He still gets on her nerves. Mostly, she ignores him, but if he gets too close, she'll say, "Qu-it!" (with two-syllables for emphasis), or, "NO!", or (my favorite), "STUPID BIRD!" After 12 years, he still hasn't given up hope - what an optimist. We do have some accidents along - best not get a bird if you can't take that! Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 11/17/2007 2:55 PM
