Re: [IceHorses] Indian Shuffle
On Feb 15, 2008, at 7:35 PM, karen parker wrote: > Just a sidenote here: There is a line of Appaloosas who do a soft gait > referred to as the "Indian Shuffle". Has anyone ever seen or ridden > one of those? > You might try tracking down horses registered as Tiger Horses (http://www.tigerhorses.org/). Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/
Re: [IceHorses] Dealing blackjack at the Arab show in Scottsdale
> Okay, Lorraine. That started my day with a good > laugh. > I am glad. I hoped I didn't overstep. I just got back from the Arab show. What beautiful creatures. Lorraine Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[IceHorses] Indian Shuffle
Just a sidenote here: There is a line of Appaloosas who do a soft gait referred to as the "Indian Shuffle". Has anyone ever seen or ridden one of those? I had an Appaloosa stallion many years ago who did the Indian Shuffle. He was really smooth and could go all day in it. He was out of a Quarterhorse mare and a foundation Appaloosa stallion. His name was Rambling Man. Karen Parker
[IceHorses] Truck-n-Trailer Mishap Video
OMGawd!! What a nightmare. Anywho...take a peek at this video. http://tinyurl.com/ypk8x5 Here's the video explaining what happen...poor woman. Glad no one was hurt. http://tinyurl.com/2uzkky Back in 1992I found myself on a really bad dirt downgrade, I was lucky ...no one was killed. Thanks to a new state forest ranger who gave me WRONG directions to a horse campground (first time to this forest)!!! Because of my incident, there is now a huge sign at that road stating NO HORSE TRAILERS. BTW...the state paid for the new brakes on my truck and trailer. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Tough times
On Feb 15, 2008 9:35 AM, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's been a tough week in our family. Laree, Huggs) My grandfather was diagnosed with congestive heart failure in '97, at the time he was 85. He did very well on his diet and exercise plan and lived another happy 4 years until cancer took him from us. He was so cool, when I rode early in the mornings he'd go out to the farm and awlk the pastures while I rode. Sometimes he'd go to my out of county 4-H meetings so I wouldn't have to drive home alone. All my friends loved him. And, my grandmother lived with dementia. Her dementia began in the early 90's and she passed away 3 years ago from a blood clot. She lived at home and lived a relatively independent life until the last few years when she developed other problems and became wheelchair bound. I still miss her everyday. My family moved in with my grandparents in '87 to take care of one of my dad's older sisters who never married and had a brain tumor. We lived with them until they died. Peace in this troubled time, Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] Vikingur fra Arbakka
"Andrew has worked with Thoroughbreds, Standardbreds, Arabians, Norwegian Fjords, Belgian and other Drafts as well as Shetland Ponies. He worked as a trainer for many of the top breeding/ training farms of American Saddlebreds and has won well over 50 national first prize awards. Along with training and competing, he has worked as a farm manager and breeding manager at two of the top Saddlebred farms in the country." Oh dear... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Elska on Duty
On 15/02/2008, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why did you split them up before this? > V It all started when we were babysitting another mare and I had Elska out on pasture and realized that her weight had ballooned...so all the girls went to the diet pasture and just because we wanted horses closer to the house...the girls stayed even after the guest horse had left. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Elska on Duty
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With the recent cougar scare, we thought it best to move Elska and > Kria back in with the boys. If there's a crisis Elska can be counted > on to take charge Why did you split them up before this? V
Re: [IceHorses] Tough times
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's been a tough week in our family. Thinking of you and yours! V
Re: [IceHorses] Tough times
> It's been a tough week in our family. I hope that things go smoothly, Laree; and that you get a lot of enjoyment and support from your animals. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Taking Charm for Another Walk
Charm and Cookie both went on walks today, separately. Here's some pictures of Charm's walk, along with a little video at the end, of her jumping over a ditch. http://iceryder.blogspot.com/ Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Snow in Ramona?
How beautiful. Our local paper said there were 500 motorists stranded in San Diego County by a snow storm. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Tough times
Laree...Reiki sent to your entire family. {{{ HUGS }}}
Raven
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Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze
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Re: [IceHorses] Tough times
>>> It's been a tough week in our family. Laree, I'm so sorry. I hope the best for all of you. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] UK PNH Student Blog
Here's a blog written by a PNH student from the UK, about her stay at the International Savvy Center (ISC) in Florida. Start from the first posts in the archives (#23), somewhere around page 5. http://www.freewebs.com/isccj/blog.htm Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] my mother Marion
Dear Robyn, You and all your family are in our thoughts. I remember yyou gracious mother at
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Re-training / NH / One Rein Stop
>> One rein stop >> > > I agree with that one Mic. That was the first Icelandic lesson I had at > Janice's and the second. Brakes first every time. Here's the deal on the one-rein stop, my opinion: I think that if the horse is trained differently, with partnership and communication in mind, which keeps the horse's focus on the rider, and creates in the horse, the desire to be part of the partnership and invest in the communication, the resultant horse will be one that the one-rein stop will not be necessary. The horse won't be of the mind to take off, uncaring and disregarding of his rider. It's a whole 'nother paradigm; one that we can't consider or even imagine unless we step outside of the box :-) Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re-training / NH
>>the time wondering what I could tell her that would be helpful. > > One rein stop Description and info on the one-rein stop: http://iceryder.net/onereinstop.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Snow dog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sUL0KCIc48 Way cool! That's a neat dog! Thanks! (maybe my dog would do that, too, but I will never find out! :-)) Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Re-training / NH
> better idea of what he thinks should be happening in his life. She was > buying tickets to audit a Clinton Anderson clinic. She really wants to > figure it all out. Oh, good! That should give her some kind of a start in establishing some communication. I feel that it's most important for the horse's focus to be on the rider. He is lending us his legs and giving us the rest of his body for that time of riding. Unless he isn't. Do you know what I mean? Maybe you *think* he's giving you his body, but if you don't have control (and I don't mean a *dominating* type of control) of his body and legs, then you are just a passenger. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Tough times
On 15/02/2008, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's been a tough week in our family. I'll say. When it rains it pours doesn't it? My prayers are certainly with you and your family. Wanda
[IceHorses] Elska on Duty
With the recent cougar scare, we thought it best to move Elska and Kria back in with the boys. If there's a crisis Elska can be counted on to take charge AND we thought more horses in a group might help to intimidate a cougar that had thoughts of attacking an easy target. Since Elska and Kria were placed in a different pasture last spring, I must admit that the boys have been rather "rudderless". No one seemed to be in charge. It was like there was a completely different herd dynamic evolving.. Today when I came up the driveway, I smiled at the scene that met me. Elska had gathered everyone by the snow fence and all were flat out sound asleep with her standing guard. She decided everyone was back to having naps and they'll like it. No one seemed to want to argue in the least... Yup, she's back on duty... Wanda -- Save the earth, it's the only place to get chocolate.
[IceHorses] Re: duett saddles
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Nancy Sturm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kaaren Jordan said someone on this list has tried a Duett saddle. Karen? > Someone else? Want to give me your opinion? > > Nancy > Hello Nancy, I have been riding in an a Duett Encore for the past 1 1/2 years. I had purchased a Stubben Icelandic when I first got Blessi and it was great for trail rides. However, I only rode Blessi at a walk for two years. Last summer I started learning how to trot, side pass, etc., and I could not get my legs in the right position to easily communicate with Blessi in the Stubben. (I have short stubby legs and the deep knee pads made it really difficult to get my legs where they need to go. Tall, thin people did not seem to have this problem. ;-) ) I borrowed someone's Duett and Blessi and I were able to go into walk trot transitions and lateral work much more easily. The Duett Encore had knee pads attached by velcro so I was able to remove them. Fitting a Duett to an Icelandic can be difficult. The Duett actually fits Blessi a little better than the Stubben. There is a local dealer who has Icelandics and she was able to help me get the right size for both Blessi and myself. I would be happy to discuss this off line in more detail. Regards, Pamela
[IceHorses] Re: Tough times
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Laree Shulman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's been a tough week in our family. > Hello Laree, My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family during these tough times. Regards, Pamela
[IceHorses] Re: my mother Marion
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For those of you who knew my mother, Marion Hood, she passed away peacefully > this morning about 6:00 a.m. > www.icefarm.com > Hello Robyn, It was such a pleasure to meet your mother during the clinic last year. My condolences to you and your family. Regards, Pamela
[IceHorses] Re: Re-training / NH
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Nancy Sturm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had the most disturbing trail ride this morning. I started out with a > nice (and timid) older lady on her very pretty Peruvian Paso gelding. We > started up one trail off the farm, rode along a short section of logging > road and expected to turn right up the road take a nice single track trail. > Instead, her horse turned left down a second trail, headed back for the > barn. She could not stop or turn the him. He sort of ran away at the > walk. Hello Nancy, A few years ago, I was your timid older rider only on a pretty Icelandic. I would ride the trails by myself or with others. Blessi was fine going over streams, over ditches, past the leaf blower for the first time, dealing with deer popping out of the woods,etc., and then we would come to a fork in the road and he would want to go right and I would want to go left and there would be a "discussion." Note that Blessi would only do this with me--he was fine with more experienced riders. Several years ago, we worked through these issues by: - lots of ground exercises. I was not familiar with NH techniques at that point so we did a lot of leading, gate opening, and bomb proofing exercises from the ground. As several people have noted, it really helps you start to learn how to read your horse, build a relationship, and learn to be a leader. Since I have been introduced to TTeam, Parelli, etc., I continue to work on ground exercises and have learned a lot more. - lots of riding lessons. As a beginning rider, I used my reins for 90% of my communication with Blessi. I can tell you that Blessi can go in any direction with his nose pulled to either knee--he would ignore a one rein stop at a walk. One of my dressage books mentions (and since I am quoting this by memory my percentages may be off) that reins should only be about 25% of your communication with the horse; seat, 40%; legs, 35%. A Centered Riding Clinic really helped me develop use of the neutral pelvis, which really helped with balance. Regular riding lessons helped me re-enforce what I learned. It is hard to be confident and lose your nervousness (or at least be less nervous ;-) ) until you have a balanced seat and learn how to "read your horse" and anticipate his moves. And Blessi and I continue to learn together.
Re: [IceHorses] Three Phase Event
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 08:44:24AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: > A three day (phase) event for gaitedhorses. Has dressage, stadium obstacle > course and 30-50 min.cross county obstacle, endurance race. To be held April > 19th and 20th at Kentucky Equestrian Center, Winchester, KY > > http://www.threephaseevent.com/ very interesting! but since kentucky is very far away, i will probably just take stjarni back to the event we two-phased at last summer, in new hampshire. i guess i do have an additional goal here, which is to demonstrate to the wider horse community that the icelandic is a versatile, competent creature at the sports they already enjoy (plus cute :) --vicka
[IceHorses] Parelli's Secret
A video: http://iceryder.net/videoparellisecret.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] PNH Clinic
PARELLI NATURAL HORSE-MAN-SHIP LEVEL 2/LEVEL 3 CLINIC DATE: February 23rd & 24th. 2008 MAURICE THIBAULT 3 STAR INSTRUCTOR ALAMODE RANCH, 15844 Baker Canyon Road Canyon Country, California. 91390 Join us for two full days of fun, filled with the newest information that is coming out of the Parelli center. Learn about the new Cradle bridle system, its applications, and its introduction to the human and to the horse. You will learn how bits affect different horses in different ways, as well as learn the action the mouthpiece will have on the mouth of the horse when the reins are activated. We will discuss contact points and what mouthpieces are suitable for your horse. We will also review saddle fitting, and saddle shimming, to help us achieve a better balance point. The main objective of the clinic is to get the best possible saddle fitting, the best possible balance point, so that the knowledge shared during the weekend will be used to its utmost potential. Fluidity is the key to advancing horsemanship, fluidity is what will allow your horse to achieve natural Collection. Clinic fee for the two days is $400. Auditors are welcome free of charge Stall fee are $10 per night your feed, and $15 per night our feed. You must reserved stalls in advance, first come first serve. Clinic: (9:00 a.m. to 4:00p.m.) Contact: Tricia Giz coordinator [EMAIL PROTECTED] 818-974-9816 Direction Hwy 14 north. Exit Sand Canyon Rd. Turn left on Sand Canyon Rd, go approximately 2miles over the hill, you will T off on Sierra Hwy, take a right, about 1/2mile you will cross the junction of Vasquez, within 500 feet Baker Canyon Rd will be on your right, between the vegetable stand and the VFW Property. We are ½ mile from the turn off. __ Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Three Phase Event
On Feb 15, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Judy Ryder wrote: > A three day (phase) event for gaitedhorses. Has dressage, stadium > obstacle > course and 30-50 min.cross county obstacle, endurance race. To be held > April > 19th and 20th at Kentucky Equestrian Center, Winchester, KY > > http://www.threephaseevent.com/ > > Cheryl Calentine is organizing such an event in Santa Ynez again. Here is her response to one of the Peruvian groups after I posted about the Kentucky event. Profits go towards the Peruvian non-show ring awards, but the event is open to all gaited breeds, just as it was last year. Will keep everyone posted. >> From: "luvfrankie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: February 13, 2008 12:10:21 PM PST >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> We have a very similar event out here in Santa Ynez. I am planning it >> for August sometime. Cannot scout the trails right now as I am still >> unable to ride (or not supposed to:O).)Midland school has >> graciously agreed to let us camp and ride on their property, they >> have a great ring for our dressage and trail course as well. Watch >> for upcoming details on our Trail Triathlon. >> Cheryl Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/
[IceHorses] Three Phase Event
A three day (phase) event for gaitedhorses. Has dressage, stadium obstacle course and 30-50 min.cross county obstacle, endurance race. To be held April 19th and 20th at Kentucky Equestrian Center, Winchester, KY http://www.threephaseevent.com/ Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Prices
>>> $10,000 plus the cost of > import. That's a lot of money in my book.> > >>> However, when our former Welsh pony Summer was first for sale as a pony > >>> hunter and by a new owner, the price tag was $20,000. She sold for > >>> substantially less.> I think push button show horses are always asking more than family trail horse prices. I don't agree with it but I am not a show person. I think trail horses that are listed for 10,000 better be perfectly mannered trail horses. No nonsense with retraining. I feel that price is more than I would be willing to pay but everyone has there own experience in pricing for horses, I think someone who has been injured will be much more willing to spend good money on a well trained horses without dickering on price, who wants to spend time healing after a accident when they can spend the extra for a ready steed. Just my opinion. Jeannette
[IceHorses] Re:Tree Free
What Lori's Tack carries is different from the true Treefree brand from the UK. I refer quite a few customers whose horses do not fit the Sensation to Abby Peterson (saddlingsolutions.com) for the Dartmoor model of the Treefree. The design is similar to a BF/Torsion but the saddle has different widths of pommel pieces & has shaped/beveled Prolite panels built into the saddle with a nice spine channel for both horse & rider comfort. The leather is beautiful with much less bulk under the leg than either Torsion or BF, but the downsides are that it is wider for the rider than the Sensation, does not look like an english saddle & runs about $1250.00 for just the saddle. For higher whithered/"A" frame horses right now there aren't too many choices. The Treefree has worked out well for many of these type horses allowing them to go treeless. If you talk to Abby, say hello from me. Kaaren
[IceHorses] RE: Vikingur fra Arbakka, now "Icelandic trainers"
>>> I've never met Andrew, but I believe that just a few years ago he had some partnership with Sindri Sigurdson, an Icelandcer "clinician" and former competition rider. (sp?) I don't know if they are still in any sort of partnership. Here's a picture of Sindri riding a horse in competition, from Andrew Yost's website, at the bottom of the page. http://www.svadilfarihorses.com/events.html That pretty much looks like what I saw at the "clinic" I saw Sindri give. Yuck. I didn't take time to look through Andrew's site, to see if he and Sindri are still in cahoots in any way...maybe not. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Re-training / NH
>>> It's not so much about teaching the horse, it helps the owner learn more about horsemanship, how a horse moves, how to communicate, how to receive communication from the horse. That's what's so exciting to me about NH in general - the true kinds - there are plenty of NH-wannabes around these days. If you study it carefully, you actually start to learn the body language of the horse, how to read him/her AND how to speak to him/her. Those light-bulb moments are priceless, be that when you see the light-bulb turn on for the horse, or when the light bulb turns on for ME. It's a universal horse language too. You may need to spend a tiny bit of time "teaching" the horse some basics...but to be honest, it's probably more accurate to say that I may need a little time to refine what I'm saying to the horse. At any rate, the "words" are so subtle sometimes that it's just amazing - a slight tilt of the head, a lift of one or both shoulders and you can ask a horse to come to you, turn to face you or give you a little more room. I've been TRYING to learn this for about 16-17 years now, and I admit I was probably pretty dense the first few years. Now, it surprises me how many horses I encounter that I can "ask" certain things - even when I don't know the horse, and the horse doesn't know me. I've tried to add a little clicker training into my methods, and I do use it occasionally, for certain things. But, I find it a little frustrating, because it's basically a one-word language, and because I've honed my NH skills over the years. Sure, you can string the c/t cues together to make more complicated requests, but I have had several rehabs now, and none have come to me knowing the "clicker language." Every horse I've ever met however seems born understanding the "horse language." I can begin to communicate with my horses (and others) immediately with NH, but c/t has to be taught. I don't see it as an either/or choice: c/t or Natural Horsemanship. But if you ever need to work with a scared or panicked horse that not yours, or one you just got, or help a neighbor catch his horses who've gotten out of the pasture in the middle of the night, odds are the horse isn't going to know clicker-training. In contrast, I was able to quietly and gently "talk" to Angie as soon as she stepped off the trailer when she arrived here as a virtually unhanded project mare...via the universal "horse" language. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM
[IceHorses] Was: Vikingur fra Arbakka, now "Icelandic trainers"
>>> I don't know why but I sometimes make the mistake of renaming Andrew Yost to Alexander Yost. His name is Andrew. Sorry. Here is a link to his website: http://www.svadilfarihorses.com/ I've never met Andrew, but I believe that just a few years ago he had some partnership with Sindri Sigurdson, an Icelandcer "clinician" and former competition rider. (sp?) I don't know if they are still in any sort of partnership. I saw Sindri and a cohort work with a mare at another farm for 45 minutes and at the end of that session, the sweet mare was terrorized. It was one of the most primitive "training" sessions I've ever seen: two buffoons totally ignoring the body language of that poor stressed mare, just pushing her on and on...and apparently clueless what they were doing to her. I have it on video, and a few people on the list have seen it. I still feel for that poor, confused mare. If Andrew trains anything like Sindri, I'd stay as far away from him as I could. Hopefully, Andrew has learned better now. I'd certainly ask LOTS of questions...and I'd NEVER leave a horse for training with someone who has at anytime in the past trained with that lack of sensitivity and brute force - not if I couldn't drop in and check in randomly about every day. That sort of "training" MAY work for SOME particularly easy-going horses, but there are too many rehabs falling out of those kinds of training programs. But for those easy-going horses, I look at it another way - just think what they could achieve with good, gentle, humane training... Sorry to be blunt, but I probably should have named Sindri and Snorri Dal (sp?) as the two clinicians who I saw back in 2003. This isn't second hand. I saw them in person, and actually rode in a "lesson" with them, thankfully not on my own horse. What a jokeand what an eye-opener. Oh, before I went to that "clinic", I heard really good things about those two. Just proved one thing to me - don't believe everything you hear. Even the roughest trainers/riders apparently can find their groupies, especially when the brutes are cute and know how to flash their dimples at old women. GRRR. I can't believe how naïve some people are. Not directed at you, Denise - as I said I don't know Andrew and maybe he's not like Sindri at all, and maybe they aren't associated now. But, I have to wonder about anyone's judgment that would get into any sort of partnership with a "trainer" like that. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Insulin Resistance
You've been lucky with your mare Mic. . . .knock wood.I hope things continue to be good for you and Molda on that issue. There's nothing worse than watching a horse suffer with terribly sore feet.I told myself I wouldn't put Rocky (nor me) through another round of founder like he had two years ago . . . It was awful. I'm convinced there isn't a perfect solution. That said, Holly had her first bout of laminitis about 12 years ago, and the second one just a few months later. Once we got her meds adjusted, she had no more laminitis since. She's always out on pasture , except during and immediately after her acute attacks - but only on really weedy, non-improved ones. We can keep them up in "starvation lots" and control every bite they get, but gosh, that's got to be so mentally stressful for them. Horses are driven from inside to roam and graze. Our "weed grasses" that just come up in pastures that aren't planted are mainly Bermuda and in the summer, crabgrass. Thankfully, those tend to be low-sugar. The thing that really worries me about keeping horses in a state that they feel starved and confined (even if they are adequately nourished) is that I've heard, and it makes sense to me, that bored, hungry horse are more likely to eat poisonous weeds or leaves that their instincts might otherwise tell them to avoid. Maybe that's not true, but it seems likely to me. And remember, if the founder comes from Cushing's, controlling their food intake may REDUCE the chance of founder, but the chance is still there, no matter. Sundance lost a LOT of weight the week before his laminitis, so I certainly couldn't reduce his food intake. He was such a hard-keeper his last 3-4 years that I made the decision to leave him on pasture in the spring. By that time, he was having times where he seemed depressed, and that was awful too. He had his spring grass, and he didn't have another bout of laminitis. He was, however, on Cyproheptadine for the Cushing's. I'm a big believer in using meds when we can, rather than trying to do ALL the treatment via diet control. Quality of life is as important to me as the quantity... Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM
[IceHorses] Re: Re-training / NH
> > >the time wondering what I could tell her that would be helpful. > > One rein stop > I agree with that one Mic. That was the first Icelandic lesson I had at Janice's and the second. Brakes first every time. Sue UK
[IceHorses] Re: my mother Marion
> > For those of you who knew my mother, Marion Hood, she passed away peacefully > this morning about 6:00 a.m. - it was the perfect day (Valentines ) that she > should reunite with our dad and her husband, Hoodie, who passed before her > in 2002 after 66 1/2 years of marriage. Our family is lucky to have been > blessed two wonderful, supportive parents and we will miss her dearly. > I didn't know your mum but I know she must have been a great woman from her offpring. I'm glad it was peaceful. Sue UK
[IceHorses] Re: Insulin Resistance
> > I find it a catch 22 situation: > How does one put their easy-keeper, pre-disposed ponies on acres and acres of land without them eating too much and foundering themselves in the process? > I can see this working in the desert, but not where there's any kind of forage to speak of. I surely couldn't do it with the acreage and the types of ponies I have. > You are right.By the time I have fenced off lush grass to ration it in the spring/summer there isn't enough space for them to exercise properly despite the sacrifice area and the fact I design long strips for max distance to the water. It's definitely a catch 22. It has been suggested that I use my new arena as a winter paddock and to keep them off the spring grass. It's better than bringing them in to a small yard. At least I will be able to exercise them regularly in any weather. That's one of the dilemmas we are all in unless we have the perfect grazing for natives. I have bought some 'pony mix' seed which is supposed to be reduced risk for laminitis. I am using it to reseed. Much of the land round here is for fattening cattle or making hay so really not the best grazing mix. I put them out at night in the summer and day in the winter. Sometimes 24 hours if the weather is good and there isn't too much grass. I backfence the grazed areas. I guess that's the best I can do. Does anyone have any other ideas. I did't realise I was going to need a degree in horticulture to own two ponies. It is so complicated and much of it beyond our control. Sue UK
Re: [IceHorses] Tough times
Laree, your entire family is in my prayers. We were really saddened when my 91 year old father was diagnosed with congestive heart failure, assuming that for someone of his age this was the beginning of the end. He has been a very compliant patient, followed diet and medication requirements careully and he is really doing very well. Nancy
[IceHorses] Tough times
It's been a tough week in our family. I come from a large, close family and my oldest brother was diagnosed with severe congestive heart failure on Monday. We hope he will follow his doctors suggestions and slow down and stay with us many more years but it's a scary thing. Also, on Tuesday, my beautiful, 54 yr old sister was diagnosed with early onset dementia/Alzheimer's. She is going through a tough divorce and that is adding many complications to an already really hard situation. Of course, there is no getting better for her but hopefully the new drugs will slow the progression. We have suspected for a year that this what we would ultimately find but we have had a tough time trying to get a final diagnosis. The doctors kept telling us it was depression from the divorce but we knew it was more and had to keep pushing. Of course, we were hoping that we were wrong and they were right but strong ties to someone you love give you an insight that even the experts can't have. Please keep them both in your thoughts and prayers. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] my mother Marion
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > For those of you who knew my mother, Marion Hood, she passed away peacefully My thoughts are with you and your family, Robyn. Remember she lives on through you and your siblings and the memories of her - it sounds like she was a wonderful woman. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Re-training / NH
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:48:15 -0800, you wrote: > >One rein stop > > > >She would have to learn how to use it. When she tried to turn him, his head >>and mouth came way around to her in the direction of the hand she was using >>but his body just kept going with the opposite shoulder leading If she had dropped one rein and just kept the pressure on the "turning rein" so he had no choice but to turn a very tight circle, he would have stopped eventually (though it's better if he is taught it properly, from the ground up, before she needs to use it). It's a very, very useful thing to know though. I think it's something that everyone should know (and their horses) before "going solo" in a wide open space. It's a great confidence-giver for beginners, and can be a life-saver - what if the route home had gone across a busy main road or over a cliff ; ) or something? I look on it as similar to teaching my dogs to drop like a stone when I say "down" (as opposed to "lie down" which is more relaxed) - it's not often you really need it, but when you do, it's a vey useful tool to have in your toolbox. >feel sorry for them both. The horse looks "pissy" and bored some of the >time and he looks like he takes control because he assumes he is the smarter I would get this pair doing lots of ground work and developing their relationship before riding out on the trail. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
[IceHorses] Snow dog
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Re: [IceHorses] Re-training / NH
One rein stop She would have to learn how to use it. When she tried to turn him, his head and mouth came way around to her in the direction of the hand she was using but his body just kept going with the opposite shoulder leading . I was thinking of this pair again this morning when I was out feeding. I really feel sorry for them both. The horse looks "pissy" and bored some of the time and he looks like he takes control because he assumes he is the smarter of the two. Carolyn is a psychiatrist, a second career after using her MBA in some very prestigious firms. He is not "smarter", but he may have a better idea of what he thinks should be happening in his life. She was buying tickets to audit a Clinton Anderson clinic. She really wants to figure it all out. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Dealing blackjack at the Arab show in Scottsdale
Okay, Lorraine. That started my day with a good laugh. Nncy
Re: [IceHorses] Vikingur fra Arbakka
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Denise Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a really cool head shot of my stallion Gorgeous horse and love the snowflakes too! V
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Insulin Resistance
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 3:49:53 -0800, you wrote: > I have both so to speak: VERY lush, green grass in the Spring and fall, > then, because we're on sandy loam, well-drained soil, a dry-spell will "shut > down" my pasture for a few weeks mid-summer. I haven't done any > fertilizing of the pasture beyond regular harrowing and spreading of > composted manure as well as mowing here and there to keep the milkweed in > check. The place I had in Dorset was sand, with summer drought, and we had the same problems. > > Our pasture was a hayfield before we moved here 17 years ago. The first > summer, I nearly lost the horses (Quarter horse and Arab) in the grass, like > your picture. Ah, but you can't see the type of grass it is - it is not lush rye grass, but mostly sedge with a thin underlayer of timothy and a lot of assorted herbs. There's no way you would make hay from it (or at least, not good hay). I believe the type of grass (and the ability of the grass to produce fructans in given conditions) makes the biggest difference. Plus the weather - our grass never shuts down as we have relatively mild winters (only a few days below freezing with snow rather rare) and cool summers thanks to the Gulf Stream, and a lot of rain thanks to being on the West coast of Wales ; ) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Insulin Resistance
Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:24:10 -0800, you wrote: > > >How does one put their easy-keeper, pre-disposed ponies on acres and acres > >of land without them eating too much and foundering themselves in the > >process? > >I can see this working in the desert, but not where there's any kind of > >forage to speak of. I surely couldn't do it with the acreage and the types > >of ponies I have. > > Put them on pasture that has never been "improved", never had > fertiliser added, a good mix of grass, herbs and so on. You've been lucky with your mare Mic. . . .knock wood.I hope things continue to be good for you and Molda on that issue. There's nothing worse than watching a horse suffer with terribly sore feet.I told myself I wouldn't put Rocky (nor me) through another round of founder like he had two years ago . . . It was awful. But, it's not just lush, "groomed" pastures or heavy Spring pastures that tend to founder a horse. From what I've read on the safergrass.org website, stressed pastures (from drought, over-grazing, etc.) can have very high frutans in them too, which is a big no-no for Cushings, IR, and/or founder-disposed horses. I have both so to speak: VERY lush, green grass in the Spring and fall, then, because we're on sandy loam, well-drained soil, a dry-spell will "shut down" my pasture for a few weeks mid-summer. I haven't done any fertilizing of the pasture beyond regular harrowing and spreading of composted manure as well as mowing here and there to keep the milkweed in check. Our pasture was a hayfield before we moved here 17 years ago. The first summer, I nearly lost the horses (Quarter horse and Arab) in the grass, like your picture. -- Renee M. in Michigan P.S. Congrats on getting to buy that lovely mare you leased previously!
Re: [IceHorses] Re-training / NH
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:35:51 -0800, you wrote: >the time wondering what I could tell her that would be helpful. One rein stop Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] How To Pick A Stallion
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:25:49 -0800, you wrote: >What do you look for when choosing a stallion for your mare? The closest one in a pretty colour. I had a lady phone me the other day who has a registered Exmoor mare. Exmoors are really rare, on the endangered list. She wanted to bring her to one of my stallions, as she only lives just up the road, and she's seen what nice colours they are. No thought of gaits/temperament/use of the offspring etc, let alone breeding a pure Exmoor foal from her good mare (and the nearest Exmoor stallion is only 70 miles way), just "close and a pretty colour". Bleurgh. : ( Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Canter
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:04:45 -0800, you wrote: >Do you find that the three-gaited Icelandics have as much problem with a nice >slow canter? By three gaited I assume you mean without any lateral gaits? ; ) I've been lucky enough to never yet have met an Icelandic with truly NO lateral ability (though I've met a fair few with no trot at all). The ones who have less lateral abiltity have usually had a more correct (as in 3-beat with suspension) canter. Mostly, I've found the nice slow canter comes with training and balance (or re-training in the case of horses who have been taught to rush). My (! ; )) Skessa finds a slow canter really hard. She has a lot of pace in her, and to get a 3-beat canter she needs to go quite fast or she falls into pace. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Vikingur fra Arbakka
Beautiful shot, lovely horse, and at least the drop (not flash) noseband is fitted correctly (though it looks a bit on the tight side). Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
