RE: [IceHorses] Cherie -- Did you ever get to see a saddle chariot??
>Yeah, that was my conclusion too, and I'm in the UK! >Mic That's pretty sad, if you can't even get one in the UK! I like Simon and I think he has a good product, but he needs a business manager! Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.3 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Cherie -- Did you ever get to see a saddle chariot??
>>Cherie, >> I keep forgetting to ask ya -- Did Simon Mulholland ever make it to >>this event and did you get to at least see a saddle chariot? >>Renee M. Several months ago, I got to see and try the prototypes that a woman in Asheville has, but I have yet to see the final version. Simon is so frustrating! I don't even know what happened. I emailed him a couple of times before he was due to show up and never heard from him! When it became clear that he wasn't coming, I emailed him and begged him to send me one to demo, nothing. Wasn't he supposed to swing by your place too? Flakey inventors!! I think now I'd be afraid to be a sales rep. for him, even if he does get a few out here. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.3 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Newbie Questions
-Original Message- From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Thomas Hi Lori, I'd love to have all those trails right from my backyard! >>>Sounds like you should fit in just fine on this list. :) Cherie has a >>two-year-old filly that I think she still wants to sell. Karen's right, I do have a 2 year old, black filly, Roka that I posted photos of a few days ago. I'm supposed to sell her or her mother, but I really want to keep both...I live and work as a farm manager on my boss's property and am supposed to have two horses (I can get away with three) and right now I have four, but I have not made much of an effort to sell either ;) I think Roka will be nicely gaited under-saddle because she does a variety of gaits out in the pasture and in-hand, no guarantees as to what gait, but it should be comfy. Her dad does the signature rack/tolt and saddle rack, mom leans more toward a slight foxtrot. She does a lot of hiking with me and has had a couple driving lessons, I was saddling her mom and she wanted to try so I put my Sensation saddle on her and loosely girthed her. She could care less. You should come down and see Karen's kids and my girl! Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.3 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Newbie Questions
Hi Lori, Where do you live? Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.3 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Roka turns two
>She's beautiful, Cherie and what a view! >Karen Thomas, NC Thanks and I wish I owned the view, but at least I get to see it! Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.9 - Release Date: 7/12/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] The punk rock 'do
Buck is too cute! I bet Zeke (the zedonk) would love Buck. He had a mini mule for a friend before we got him. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.9 - Release Date: 7/12/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Roka turns two
She is gorgeous cherie, and actually looks pretty big doesnt she?? She has that hangdog dead calm look like nasi has :) She has an exceptionally pretty shape and head! Janice-- Thank you! I think she's really pretty. She's slightly taller than her mom at the withers and her mom is 13.2.So far, nothing scares her! Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.9 - Release Date: 7/12/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Preparing for Bart, the Banker Horse
Speaking of wild ponies..the July Horse Illustrated has an article about wild Eastern ponies and it includes the Banker ponies. Good luck with your new guys! Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1 - Release Date: 6/19/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Young horse training basics - trail
>well that would impress me! What did the five others do? Were they >ponied with the cart or ridden??' >Janice -- The other horses were seasoned trail horses and were ridden. Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1 - Release Date: 6/19/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Re: My Gusti
Oh Wanda..how sad. I'm so sorry. Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1 - Release Date: 6/19/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Young horse training basics - trail
>I really think they do better if they go out alone early and often. I take my horses hiking alone from a very young age. They are often have a short comfort zone distance at first, so we gradually get farther and farther away and I try to go just a short distance outside the comfort zone each time as the distance they're willing to go increases. Two days ago, I took my four year old Fjord to the Ford Fun Fest at Blowing Rock, NC. Last year she got to get used to being in a stall and I just walked her around the facility and let her hang out in the arena while the other horses practiced around her. I sat on her and let her follow another horse around and easy 1/2 mile trail. This year we participated in a Natural Horsemanship clinic. One helpful note-Tyra lives with 7 other horses and the Belgian gelding often runs up behind her and bites her butt. At the clinic, she was apprehensive when the others came up behind her, and she threatened to kick. We practiced a lot with horses slowly coming up behind her, then backing off. We rode in the front, middle, and back. We rode between two columns of horses and then we were in the column and others rode by us. In the arena, we followed a cart and then let her lead the cart. I lead her about a mile 1/2 up to a mansion that's a tourist attraction, so she could see the people, strollers, horse-drawn cart, etc. and then rode her back. We meet other horses but she didn't worry too much about wanting to follow, because we'd done so much work alone. We finished the week with a 2 hr. ride to lake and back with a cart and 5 other Fjords. She was awesome!! I'm going to take my 2 year old Icelandic, Roka to the Biltmore mansion and introduce her to the same things. Cherie in NC Lilja & Roka, Icelandics; Tyra, Fjord, & Zeke the zedonk Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1 - Release Date: 6/19/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Horse records
>How do all of you keep your horse records? - Shots, worming, training? >Do any of you use a specific software? -- >Laree in NC I have a weekly/monthly dry erase board on the barn wall. Anything that gets done is put on that. It holds 4 months worth of info. and then I transfer the info. to a weekly/monthly planner book. I keep these for back-ups. Eventually, I transfer the info to my data program. Equivision-Horseworks. It has a number of categories you can use: General Vet/Farrier Vaccination De-worm Injury/Illness Tests Treatments Farrier Breeding (stallion stuff like sperm motility) Production (mare stuff) Show Genealogy You can print reports on individual horses and with the Pro version you can track boarding and training fees and print bills. This is a relatively cheap program you can find in the horse catalogs. When I ran a boarding stable, we used Horsetrak Business. You could look up info. by client or horse and it had health, pedigree, journal, calendar, breeding and billing functions. One thing I liked when trying to keep track of 40 horses was if vaccines or deworming were overdue it would alert you. I think this was a pricey program. Cherie NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1 - Release Date: 6/19/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Off topic: Zedonk pics
>I have seen three (zorses), one here and two in Kenya. The have all been >bay with black stripes all over,so yours looks quite unique even though it >is a zedonk. >Ann Almost all the Zedonks have the striped legs with the body striping varying depending on the base color. The Zorses tend to be a more uniform striping but usually not as bold. I looked at Zorses a few times but while Zedonks are cute like donkeys, zorses, to me never look as good as either parent and are often pretty flighty! Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0 - Release Date: 6/11/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Off topic: Zedonk pics
>Cute! Do you plan to ride him? >With those striped stockings, you realize he's a natural for a Raggedy >Ann/Andy costume, don't you? :) >Karen Thomas, NC I might ride him. He's about 12.1 and very sturdy. I'm 5'2", 135Lb so with the Sensation saddle, hopefully not too heavy. I'm thinking he's a good candidate for the Saddle Chariot, although I'm not holding out much hope that Simon's actually going to send me one to rep for him! He was supposed to come out late this month for the Fjord Fun Fest but I haven't heard from him. One of the Fjord folks has a really nice Raggedy Andy costumehummm! I am getting him a zebra striped halter! On a separate note, my goofy mare Lilja has decided that since its Spring and she doesn't have a foal, she would produce milk anyway and this morning I caught her 2 year old daughter, on her knees drinking! Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0 - Release Date: 6/11/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Off topic: Zedonk pics
>Where do you go to get a zedonk? Annie There aren't many around. I have seen them on Dream Horse a few times but if they're not handled at a young age or take after the zebra parent more, they can be difficult. I have a thing about donkeys and am always looking on donkey for sale sites and there he was! I bought him from a lady in Missouri. She was honest about everything except he's not really good with his feet. He really likes kids though and leads well. He doesn't have a clue about moving away from pressure, but is really smart and picks things up very quickly. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1501 - Release Date: 6/13/2008 6:33 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Belly dickie for SE
- her poor face is eaten >>> up - I guess I'll have to cover that with Swat, too. Laree, Have you tried that MTG? It's stinky and smells like sulfur but Roka was really getting itchy and so were the Belgian geldings crotches even though I had fly spray on, so I put MTG on the affected spots and the gnats don't seem to want to land there. Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4 - Release Date: 5/29/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Conformation
>Just curious, Cherie, do a lot of Fjord owners present and ride their own >horses? The horses are usually presented by the owners. Some of the bigger Fjord farms have trainers who live on the farm and train for the owners. In that case, the trainers present with the owner there. According to the internet chatting I see, the Fjord guys who show seem to be very willing to help novice people at their first shows. They do Western and English (usually traditional, correct dressage) and of course the driving and draft stuff. It's interesting in that I have never heard any Fjord folks unhappy with how the evaluations are done. There are always three judges and they are happy to answer questions. Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1474 - Release Date: 5/30/2008 7:44 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Conformation
I don't have a copy of the International one. We did a mock U.S. eval at the Fjord Fun Fest last year and the basic test is done in-hand. Walking in a triangle pattern, and trotting in a triangle pattern. They ask that the lead be loose. The horse is to stand quietly while the judge looks it over. One of the requirements is they look at the bite and teeth. After the horse reaches three, they can participate in performance evals. All the gaits including canter are evaluated at liberty and while ridden. This link is to buy the International manual. http://www.fjordhorseint.no/side.asp?ID=16 This link is the newly added performance test info. http://www.fjordhorseint.no/side.asp?ID=17 This is the International Fjord group and they are Norwegian run but members in the association are comprised of most of the worldwide Fjord horse registries. Below are there stated objectives: To keep the Fjord Horse as a typical breed according to the guidelines in the Norwegian description of the breed. To work for the acknowledgement and distribution of the Fjord Horse throughout the world. To develop and handle stud-book information. To standardise international judging rules and judging. To develop international competition systems, and standardise rules and regulations for this competitions. To conclude international goals for the Fjord Horse in order to encourage education and competence regarding the Fjord Horse. To operate an updated information channel with links to other relevant information sites. To take initiatives for a Breeders Conference every year. Here is a link to the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry (this is the U.S. registry) If you click on evaluation program and scroll to the bottom of the page, there are links to the PDF files explaining the whole process: https://www.nfhr.org/index.php?com_frontpage&Itemid=1 Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1474 - Release Date: 5/30/2008 7:44 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Conformation
I think the Fjord people have a better system. Here is a description of some of what comprises a Fjord evaluation. The owner gets a score sheet that explains how the horse was graded. They not only have a conformation evaluation but there are also use tests. Riding, driving, draft pulling to show that they are able to actually do the things they were bred for! http://www.fjordworld.com/classics/classic5444.html The Fjord Horse International Association also publishes a book for judges and breeders that explain the evals. Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4 - Release Date: 5/29/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Worming / Microscope
>From what I read, I don't think we really need a good one, not medical >quality anyway. A good hobby-type should be fine. >Karen Thomas, NC A good hobby one works great. If you can get a movable stage, it will make viewing much easier. If you want to do an accurate egg count a McMaster's slide is helpful. Cherie, NC Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4 - Release Date: 5/29/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Daughter's wedding
Wonderful wedding Laree. Corey looked beautiful and Kyle was cute in his kilt! Nice setting too! Cherie Waynesville, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4 - Release Date: 5/29/2008 12:00 AM
RE: [IceHorses] Happy Birthday to me-OT
Happy Birthday, Lorraine! I'll be 49 in August. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.3/1472 - Release Date: 5/29/2008 7:27 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Vaccinations
>2008/5/28 Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What vaccinations do you give and how often? EEE / WEE / Tetanus - once a year West Nile - once a year Rabies-once a year Usually give these 2-3 weeks apart Don't give flu unless traveling, never give strangles, give Pneumabort Rhino vaccine to pregnant mares. Cherie W. North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics), Tyra(Fjord) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1470 - Release Date: 5/28/2008 7:20 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] grrrrrrrr
>oh my gosh is this so sad! a 39 year old icelandic for sale or TRADE >for a similar price HORSE TRAILER >http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-39357Janice, It's a typo. He's two. He's Roka's 1/2 brother by the same sire-Gymir fra Skardi. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Hroi - dark bay?
Roka had the lighter nose until she shed her foal coat. Now she's fading black like her mom. Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] In the silly pasture...
Cute video! It's funny how the little girl is just hanging out with mom and the little boy is off exploring! Roka stuck pretty close to Lil until she found out her mom was queen and then she went about antagonizing the others! Spakur, Lilja's colt from 4 years ago was exploring from the get-go. Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] The full story... Maja's colt's birth
Congrats Karen, Great series of pics. He's a good looking baby boy. Is he the same kind of black as Landi? One more to go! Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Sharing
>OK, some of you are going to say "what's the big deal" but I'm >excited. Doppa and Mura decided they could share the run-in shed >today. That's great Laree, now they're BFF (best friends forever)! It's interesting to here the progression they've made adapting to their new environment and each other. I don't know if I told you, but aside from being very low on the totem pole, in her home in CA she had no run-in, just trees and at my house she only come in the run-in barn if people were in there doing something. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Naughty Doppa
Bad and clever Doppa! You'd think Mura would be up in that bird feeder with her flexible elephant lips! Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] pure love now mixing geldings and mares
I agree with Karen. Geldings and mares should get along fine. You might want to introduce another gelding slowly if one possessive gelding has had a group of mares for some time. At some stables I've worked that had pasture board, they were adamant that the mares and geldings be separate, but I've always mixed mine. In CA when I was working with Rock Ranch's horses, I had three geldings, a yearling colt, and two mares in the pasture-all got along. Now there are two Belgian geldings and four mares and a filly in together. They are all compatible except at feeding time one of the Belgians was a bully, but now that I've taught him to stand in the corner while I bring the skinnier Belgian in another corral for extra food, then he gets a treat, he continues standing while I bring the bale in and quickly give the mares their hay-he then gets his hay and some special goodies in his corner! Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Big Ball-now navicular
>Yes, he's barefoot with a roll in the front to help the breakover. The >farrier said he would trim him for his comfort. We talked about the Pete >Ramey trim and he said it was what he was dong. >I tried the wedge egg-bar (?) shoes a couple of years ago and it didn't >make any difference. He did not have shoes on before that either. >You only know there's a problem if you are trail riding and hit gravel or >hard surfaces Shoes never cure navicular. When you change to a different >shoe or put a wedge of pad in it masks the pain for awhile and then with >poor hoof mechanism the problem progresses and eventually more damage is >done. A lot of movement helps. Hopefully, his heels are not too long and back where they're supposed to be and the toes are fairly short and he is walking with a heel first landing. Some horses that have a proper trim and still have yucky looking frogs and grungy stuff in the collateral groove on the side of the frog have had wonderful success with a few White Lightening soaks. It kills the bacteria and/or fungus in there and then allows the barefoot trim to do its job. Many horses are fine on pasture but ouchy on harder ground, because they're hooves adapt to the environment in which they live. Many of use who keep our horses barefoot, make sure to have an area of pea gravel or make some harder trails in their pastures that they walk over daily. It preps their feet for similar surface riding. If you don’t want to do that, what's wrong with wearing boots for the ride? Does he go sound with boots on? Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Mic's yearling.
Oh Mic, I'm so sorry, it has been really awful for you recently. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Big Ball-now navicular
>It is sad  the vet said his >navicular bones have abnormal shapes. It¹s very subtle  I couldn¹t tell >the difference. Susan, Is you horse with navicular, barefoot? Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM
RE: [IceHorses] A new friend for Svort/now new homes
Nancy, you're right some horses are way more sensitive to different grooming tools or amounts of pressure. My boss's thin-skinned Belgian only likes very soft brushes. I've also had two horses that loved to be brushed but were cranky about being brushed while they were eating. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] ground driving-Saddle Chariot
I talked to Simon again today. He's probably buying the 10 prototype frames back from the rep who never repped, and he thinks he can update them and put the new harnesses on and be able to sell them for a discount (email me privately). He would be more predisposed to sell those discounted ones to people who would be willing to let other people come and see and/or try them. He was really excited about the wheel chair version. He's working on a radio-controlled release. There will be a quick release for the driver, but also a radio-controlled quick release for a back-up. Something a helper can operate from a distance if needed. He still says he's planning to come to the Fjord Fun Fest end of June, go up to Virginia and then try to get a few more visits in. If anybody really wants to try one and can get a group together that might pay a small fee each to get the demo (Simon's highly entertaining) and help pay for his traveling expenses, let me know. You would need an Icelandic (or other small horse) that knows the basics of driving, or a mini horse or something else really small that is really mellow and leads well. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date: 4/13/2008 1:45 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] ground driving-Saddle Chariot
Hi Renee, I said that. I've bee talking to Simon for ages, but as a typical inventor, he kept tinkering and modifying. He did send 10 prototypes to a woman in Texas who didn't do anything with them. Last year, I found out that she'd moved to North Carolina. I tried several times to contact her and go see the saddle chariots. Simon thought she was going to train a few people to use them for demo purposes. She wanted all or nothing, and wanted to have them manufactured in the US and be the sole distributor, but didn't pursue it. Her daughter finally contacted me. I went and tried it. I drove a not very well broke pony. The Saddlechariot was a blast. We went up a hill, along a pretty bumpy riding trail and down a fairly steep hill, through sand and mud. No problems! You can turn on a dime! This was not the quick release version, but you can easily step off at a steady trot while still holding the reins. Simon was going to prod her into action or try to buy back the Chariots from her and retrofit them with the new harnesses. The old frames are not as pretty as the new ones, but are every bit as functional. Simon said people will always be able to get replacement parts and anytime there is a change or upgrade they will always mesh with the older models. They are probably going to be around $2800-3000 per cart and quick release harness. I told Simon we women will want the harnesses in different colors. He says he can do that and also powder-coat the frames for an additional fee! If he can get out of the deal he made with the other lady I may be able to get the older frames for us for a good deal if others are interested. One Saddle Chariot can be modified to work with several different sized horses, with a few extra parts. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1375 - Release Date: 4/12/2008 11:32 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] ground driving-Saddle Chariot
>Keep me informed. I would certainly like to see one and I'll try to >forego the temptation to order an easy-entry cart until I've seen one. >(Moses Cone in Junea!) >Karen Thomas, NC Ok. As soon as I hear anything I'll let you know. Yeah, the Fjord Fun Fest at Moses Cone is fun. We camp in stalls and do driving, NH, clicker, trail obstacle and quadrille demos and practice and, of course, go riding! Guests are welcome to come and play! Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1375 - Release Date: 4/12/2008 11:32 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] ground driving-Saddle Chariot
(I'm trying to work with him to rep these things, but he had already promised the entire US to a lady who has had the prototypes for more than two years and done nothing. He's trying to undo the deal). If he shows up...he's a flaky inventor you know...it will be at Moses Cone June 23-28. If he doesn't show up, there's a lady in Asheville who has several of the prototypes. I drove one at her house. The harness didn't look nice enough to sell but it worked well. I'm trying to get one of the carts she has and a new harness from Simon, maybe we can do a two-fer deal. Cherie IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] ground driving-Saddle Chariot
>Anyway, Mr. Mulholland is planning a trip to the States this summer to demo >the Saddlechariot at various locations.I'm so excited! I am sooo >hoping he comes close enough to Michigan (or Michigan itself) for me to get >to see and meet him.And, I hope this trip results in us North Americans >being able to get our hands on one of these lovely little contraptions at >some point. Renee, I've been working on trying to get him out here for two years, but he says he is for sure coming out in June to the Fjord Fun Fest in NC. That would be the start of his summer tour. He wanted to hitch-hike around the US and demo the saddle-chariot, then he was trying to get in with some horse shippers and travel with them, but I told him he'd be better off actually scheduling some demo clinics and charging just enough to pay his expenses. I may have the opportunity to buy some of the prototype frames and have him bring the new harnesses out. The older frames are a little more utilitarian but fully functional and it may take $500+ off the price of a fully imported one. The wheel-chair version does sound interesting and Simon is really excited about it. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.11/1368 - Release Date: 4/9/2008 4:20 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Hay Shortage now another rescue Icelandic
Judy, Virginia, Laree, Trish, Janice, concerned others, Thanks for your kind words. I'm trying to find out more about what's going on. I'll be calm enough tomorrow to ask the rescue. My mom suggested, if we can't find someone who needs a gorgeous, sweet pasture pet, contacting Best Friends (the big no-kill rescue in Utah) and she would help me pay for some of the shipping. When I visited there they had a nice set-up for horses. I'll keep you updated as I find out more. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1363 - Release Date: 4/7/2008 8:56 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Hay Shortage now another rescue Icelandic
>Here's another video of a rescue in Southern California, that happen to >have an Icelandic: >http://videos.nctimes.com/p/video?id=1794016 >Judy That so-called rescue is now selling Naggur for $500. The horse I gave them, only when it was promised to me he'd have a forever home. It was made very clear to them that he probably couldn't be ridden and they assured me that wasn't important and he would have a "FOREVER" home with a little pony friend he'd met there. I am so upset!!! I cried all night after I saw the notice from Kim on the other Icelandic site. I don't own my own property anymore and can't take him back. If anyone out there is still looking for a pasture buddy, contact me. He gets along great with other horses, he was an excellent Uncle to my mare Lilja's colt. He really took to clicker training and was the first one to come running. He ponies well from another horse, he just does not seem to be able to handle being ridden. He has seen chiropractors and vets have deemed him sound, but there may be some unseen glitch that causes him pain in certain riding situations. He has hurt a number of people, including me, but is a sweet heart on the ground. Please email or contact me for more info. Cherie 828-400-9830. I also have photos. If my mare who's going to have an experimental procedure for her eyelid cancer at a vet hospital in Raleigh doesn't cost too much, I might be able to pitch in for some of the shipping costs. Cherie IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] New Tipperary + helmet
>i love my tipperary helmet, but can >only use in on cloudy days or indoor, as I need more shade for my >light sensitive eyes. >Raven I put a Salamander brim on mine. http://www.longridersgear.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=81_121 Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1359 - Release Date: 4/4/2008 8:23 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Lost Cat
> Janice, where on earth did you find that "lost cat" picture?!! That is so >funny! We have those kind of "cats" in our area> I had a very young pygmy goat (premie, and born with three siblings, so really tiny) It was tan in the front, white around the middle and tan in the rear, hence the name "Twinkie". Anyway..a crazy person my boyfriend and I were renting a studio from got mad at us and let her out in downtown Van Nuys, CA. I called around the dog pounds looking for her but no luck. Judging by the intelligence of some of those I was talking to over the phone, I went down to the closest one to see for myself and there she was in a kennel, labeled as a long-haired Chihuahua mix!!! I asked if they hadn't noticed her tiny hooves!! Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1357 - Release Date: 4/3/2008 10:48 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Speaking of needing support undergarments...
Wow, she's really ready to pop! Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] A must have for Janice
Lil thinks Teev is hot! Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 12:00 AM
RE: Re [Icehorses] Lilja says howdy!
>If Teev does good in his sidepull, would he rather have the 1/2 bosal nose or >the Parelli type noseband you think?? Janice, The one that's most like a regular side-pull is the Enduro. That's the one Lil had on in the pic. The 1/2 bosal is like a gentle rope bosal and the reins tie under the chin. The Parelli style one is exactly like the Parelli halter/bridle with a mecate style rope attached. Lil prefers to be directed from the side, but Tyra does fine with the reins coming from underneath. Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 12:00 AM
RE: [IceHorses] Stuck in ground driving
>I need some tips on how to get a horse going forward in the long lines WITHOUT a helper leading. Renee, I taught Tyra (Fjord) to drive by myself with clicking. I did a lot of work first on having her stand still while I moved behind her. If your horse already ground ties or is mat trained, it will be a big help. When I was ready to move forward, Tyra already knew the commands walk and trot, so I just asked her to walk and it she stepped forward even one step, I clicked and went to her to reward, so she wouldn't turn around for it. She did go through all the contortions you mentioned at first. If she started to turn around and I couldn't use the lines to prevent her, I just walked up to her and repositioned her. No reward. Once she went forward a few feet, it was easy after that. She really enjoys exploring our property while I drive her. She graduated to pulling a tire, then a travois (shafts with a piece of wood across them to attach traces too), this summer she will start lessons with the cart. Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 12:00 AM
RE: [IceHorses] saddle rack
>Aren't these rather nice? >http://www.saddleracks.ca/ >Wanda I like those Wanda! They seem light-weight and I like the fact that air can get to the underside. Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 12:00 AM
RE: Re [Icehorses] Lilja says howdy!
>What color and size is the one Lilja has on? Are they calling that >blue or blue fleck? Anna: Blue fleck on noseband, chinstrap, reins. Headstall-blue. There's a page for measurements. The chinstrap and headstall are fairly adjustable too. I don't think it costs any more for custom since they make them all by hand in custom colors. I have a purple Parelli style bridle from them too. Tell them Cherie from the US is sending more Icelandics their way! (I don't get any commission!) http://www.freewebs.com/lodgeropes/hackamoresbitlessriding.htm Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 12:00 AM
RE: [IceHorses] Lilja says howdy!
Janice I think you're right about her looking like Lilly Tomlin doing Edith Ann! Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 12:00 AM
RE: [IceHorses] Clicker training (was treats)
>You've had some really neat training opportunities and experiences with so >many different animals in your life, haven't you?!?.Man -- killer >whales. . . I'm so envious! I can't imagine communing with such >intelligent, magnificent creatures and getting to work with them one-on-one. When we got a new, young whale at Marine World, I was in the Veterinary Dept. at the time and they didn't want anyone to immediately start training. They just wanted her to settle in, adapt to her new whale friend, learn to be hand-fed fish, etc. so for several months my job was to hang-out with Vigga, feed her, and float around in the water with her! Tough huh?! (Her name supposedly means "little girl" in Icelandic and we actually had someone from the Icelandic consulate come out for a christening). I think the variable reinforcement is the most helpful with animals that are performing and doing numerous repetitions per day. I totally agree with you Renee, I always reward for standing still while mounting, often for good gait, and an immediate whoa from a seat or verbal cue. Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 12:00 AM
RE: [IceHorses] treats
I personally don't like the variation of clicker training that varies giving of the reward for the correct behavior because of this sentiment. > > >> Can you clarify? I'm not sure what you mean by "varies the giving of the >> reward." >as I understand it, there's a group or theory within clicker >trainers that think it beneficial not to reward the horse EVERY time he gets >the right answer when training and establishing a new behavior. If you're talking about a variable rate of reinforcement, that is when once an animal knows a behavior pretty well, you vary the number of times they have to do the behavior before clicking and rewarding. Maybe one time you ask for a behavior and click and treat, next, you may not reward until the second one, then you might reward three in a row. It's very much like people playing a slot machine. If you got something every time, it would be boring. We noticed with the killer whales, if you whistled and rewarded every ball jump (where they jump out of the water and touch a suspended ball hanging over the pool) the whales would gradually get lazy- knowing they would get paid no matter what, jump with less enthusiasm, sometimes not touching the ball at all. If they got a variable reinforcement, they always did their best thinking "this might be the one!" They did get reinforced much more than not. Once you click though, you should always reward. I would not vary the rate of reinforcement until the animal knows the behavior. When first learning the parts of a behavior the reinforcement should be very high and only withheld to move to the next level (in tiny increments). Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 12:00 AM
RE: [IceHorses] T post bracing
>Came across this website and wondered about the product: > >http://www.wedgeloc.com/index.html >Virginia Tupper >NB, Canada I've used these and they work really well. There's a bit of a learning curve if you're not good with puzzles! Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 12:00 AM
RE: Thanks, Cherie.. (was Re: [IceHorses] Any new topics? (please...?!)Now What....)
>What a lovely surprise to see some poetry on this list in the midst of all >the other posts! >John Parke I guess I'm a poet and didn't know it! ;) Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 3/11/2008 1:41 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Deluxe Stowaway Pack and Sensation Saddle
>Cherie, >That looks like your pack is sitting behind your saddle and on your horse's >rump? Am I misunderstanding? Nancy It sits just behind the cantle at an angle. What little weight is in in is held off the horse by the d rings. A pack on a Western saddle sits behind the seat but on the leather skirt that sticks out. Since English saddles don't have skirts these packs have a fleece or soft bottom where they touch the horse. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 3/11/2008 1:41 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Any new topics? (please...?!)Now What is Smart in horses
>How tall are the parents? >Tivar is only 13.1 but he seems huge Tivar is built like a tank. Lilja, Roka's mom is sturdy and 13.1 but even though she is the same height as Tivar, if you just glanced from one to the other nobody would guess they were the same size! My coming 4 year old Fjord is only 13.2 and looks huge compared to Lil. Gymir, Roka's dad is about 13.2 Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 3/11/2008 1:41 PM
RE: [IceHorses] toxic plants
We have nightshade(no one will touch it), red maple (took out), cherry (took out), buckeye (took most out), Datura or Jimson weed (one goat likes it, so I pull up any I see). We have several species of oak and have not had a problem with them. My boss insisted on planting holly in the pasture for the wild birds and the berries are toxic so I had to hotwire around those. Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
RE: [IceHorses] Deluxe Stowaway Pack and Sensation Saddle
Kim: This is how I attach my Stowaway. The middle back pouch is closed by clips and a zipper. I run the clips through the back D-rings on either side of the D you'd attach a crupper to. I run the long strap that's supposed to go around the billet through the last D-rings on both sides. I pull the strap snug, tie a half-hitch around the buckle, just in case and cut the excess off, sealing it with a light to keep from fraying. If you'll use the pack on other saddles, just tuck the excess strap into the zipper pouch that's right next to the buckle. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 3/11/2008 1:41 PM <>
RE: [IceHorses] Any new topics? (please...?!)Now What is Smart in horses
>oh she is so precious!! How old now?? Man she seems as big as >Nasi!! I love the last pic :) She seems to enjoy the obstacle course >at liberty! >Janice Roka will be two in June! Thy grow up so fast. Roka is 13H. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 3/11/2008 1:41 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Deluxe Stowaway Pack and Sensation Saddle
Kim, I'll try to take pictures of the way I rigged the Stowaway to my Hybrid. I don't use the billet straps. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1324 - Release Date: 3/10/2008 7:27 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Cooling products for horses (was Sweat Test Results on Nanna)
>I never knew these cooling types of products for horses existed! >Renee I was helping friends with a Gypsy Vanner stallion at the Equine Affaire in Sacramento, It was really hot and the portable stalls had plastic walls with a tarp roof. Nelson the stallion had a really heavy mane and actually started to get a heat rash under it. The guy who makes this stuff, was great and quickly customized a cooling neck wrap. It worked so well, they order him a blanket, and since we were boiling too, we each bought a vest, pricey, but they work great. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1324 - Release Date: 3/10/2008 7:27 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Any new topics? (please...?!)Now What is Smart in horses
>I think Mura is about the smartest of them all. >The funny thing is, that on first meeting her, it's not something you >would guess. She is sweet and quiet and very easy to get along with. Laree, You've got Mura's personality down, at first she seems so nonchalant, "Don't pay any attention to me, I'm not worth worrying about" Then when no one's around those little gears a clicking away in her head. She's not generally a bratty smart, using her brains toward evil purposes, like the little Welsh/Arabian I had! Mura gently manipulates things her way, but she's also like a good witch, taking good care of beginners. She does not like living in a large herd and hates to be in the middle of commotion, especially around feeding time, so for awhile, she'd stay way back and let everyone fight it out and then mosey on in and eat, but one day I saw her walk down below the barn, look on the right side, come back to where the other horses were eating on the left, look at me, walk all the way around the barn again, quietly come up to the fence on that side and nicker as quietly as she could and still have me hear her. She wanted me to feed her on that side, but she didn't want the others to know! From that day on, she'd make sure none of the other horses were looking, sneak over and nicker. It remained our little secret that she got to eat over there! Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1324 - Release Date: 3/10/2008 7:27 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Bubbah supplies
>you can get over a dozen styles of bubbah teeth here: >http://www.4billybobteeth.com/ My sis used to do movie make-up and got a couple sets of Billy-bob teeth. We went down to Venice Beach, Ca. and paraded around in halter tops and shorts (we were in our early 20's and pretty hot, not the late 40s old bags we are now!). Imagine the guys' surprise when after saying something lewd to us we turned around and gave them a big smile! Most went running and a few just stood there staring! It was a fun day. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3 - Release Date: 3/1/2008 12:00 AM
RE: [IceHorses] The other extreme-same result
> Anna, can you scan the article for me? > >Judy, >>Stupid me doesn't know how to do this. I'll scan the article! I'm snowed in today and scanning slides onto a disk for my boss and am tired of looking at old slides of her kids when they were babies! Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1301 - Release Date: 2/27/2008 8:35 AM
RE: [IceHorses] Manure Spreader
>Does anyone have a recommendation for a manure spreader that can be >pulled behind an ATV? These look nice but don't know the first thing >about features to look for: >http://www.newerspreader.com/details.htm >Thanks, >Trish I'm ordering one of those this week! I've heard good things. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: 2/25/2008 9:22 AM
RE: [IceHorses] Horse camping (grazing muzzle)
> Anyone out there leave grazing muzzles on their horses unattended? Our Paso wears hers 1/2 the day Spring and Fall and my Fjord has worn hers periodically. I use the breakaway kind. Check for rubbing especially under the jaw. My Fjord has a wide head and I had to glue some sheepskin in one spot that rubbed. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.0/1296 - Release Date: 2/24/2008 12:19 PM
RE: [IceHorses] O/T - New Pup
Your new pup is a cutie. My Pyrenees male weights 140 and the female weights 120. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.0/1296 - Release Date: 2/24/2008 12:19 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Tough times
Oh Laree: That's too many things to deal with at once! I hope everything works out as well as it can. If you need help with anything, let me know and I'll head on over. Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] my mother Marion
Robyn, My condolences on the loss of your mom, my thoughts are with you and your family. Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] Herd Guards
Llamas are good guardians against dogs and coyotes, I don't think they'd fare well against a cougar. Two stray coon hounds came into one of our pastures last week and the llamas and the two Great Pyrenees all ran to the fence on alert. Luckily for them, they were in the one that no animals are in, so the gate was closed and the llamas and dogs couldn't reach them. The poor coon hounds were terrified just from the Pyrenees' barking and I managed to catch them and call their owner before they got beat up! Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] Cougar Scare
We lived in Arizona and saw cougars occasionally when we were riding. They followed from a distance but never bothered us. We did have one incident where a very young cougar who had either lost his mom or was just learning how to hunt came into out stable in the early evening and just walked through quickly. That night he jumped into a large pasture with 15 horses in it. He clawed one pony on her butt and one tall appy on his neck, then the horses must have proceeded to kick the *&% out of him, because when we got out there, there were several clumps of cougar hair and some blood. He never came back! Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] Re:Good parrot pet was Clicker Training Question
>>>Is there a good breed of "starter" parrot? >> Not really. Even parakeets can live 10-15 years, >I meant in terms of easiest to get along with (for example) that might be >better for the beginner parrot owner. Renee: Parakeets (Budgerigars)gotten young make good pets. Male parakeets have some of the largest vocabularies of all parrots, but they have a very high-pitched, sometimes hard to understand voice. Lovebirds can be nice pets if hand reared, although they sometimes go through a pinchy stage. Hand reared cockatiels can also make very nice pets. These species are "relatively quiet" compared to most other parrots, don't bite as hard as most can, and are small enough to fit in most households and still have a roomy cage. As Karen mentioned, they still have a pretty long lifespan and require the same lifespan commitment as a dog. Do not get a parrot if you are not home most of the time. They really do need a lot of interaction. Leaving a bird alone for 8+ hours a day can be detrimental mentally and physically. Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Clicker Training Question
>What your talking about is traditional methods. Clicker training does >not ignore attempts to learn..it rewards the try and offered >behaviours. Its all about positive re-enforcement. >Ask the children or watch a Tag Teach programme. Sue: Well said. I'm so glad you brought up Tag Teach, that is a neat program. Many of the parrots I trained with clicker training were birds imported as adults, then sold as potential pets. These birds did not adapt well to captivity. Many were aggressive, destructive and very, very noisy (can you blame them?). A number of unhandlable birds were donated to animal parks where I worked. Clicker training did wonders for them because they were getting attention, but no stressful pressure. They could chose to participate or not. They never were punished. Many became show birds and were quite happy to jump out on our arms and go over to the stage area, where before they were almost impossible to get out of the cage. Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Clicker Training Question
>i found with amazons, they talk before they are weaned! they would be >saying gd boy! when i would spoon them their formula, wouldnt even >have feathers yet. Then I got my grey. not a word. Amazons often work out their language skills in front of people, babbling away while they learn how to put sounds together, while greys most often listen very carefully for a long time, practice in a very low voice when no one is around, start talking louder when people are in the other room, and finally graduate to talking in front of people! Many greys won't talk in front of strangers. Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
RE: [IceHorses] Clicker Training Question
>Anyone know of a good clicker training book aimed at the training of >parrots? >Nancy Nancy: I've heard that Getting Started: Clicker Training for Birds by Melinda Johnson is good but don't have it. I clicker trained parrots for the bird shows at Busch Gardens and Marine World in the late 70's through mid 80's, so if you have any questions, feel free to email me privately. Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
RE: [IceHorses] diving trip
>Have fun! Where are you going scuba diving? I'm going to scuba dive from sail boat in the British Virgin Islands. I told my hubby if anything happened to me to contact my friends in North Carolina and then this list to find good homes for my ponies. (Not planning to get eaten by a shark or anything, but you never know!) Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] Talk To The Hoof
>Have a good trip Cherie. I'm jealous! >Karen Thomas, NC Thanks Karen.
RE: [IceHorses] Talk To The Hoof
Going sailing and scuba diving for two weeks. I won't be able to check emails. I don't post much so no one will probably miss me, but just thought I'd let you know! Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
Re: [IceHorses] February NC
>someone near Tyron, NC is interested in organizing a >weekend which I am >not sure about yet. Robyn, Could you let me know if you do something in Tryon, NC? That's only 1 1/2 hours from me. Cherie Western, NC
RE: [IceHorses] Amazing Jump
Wow! Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] Runa under saddle
Karen-Congrats with Runa's first ride. She looks good. I agree with you about confidence. Tyra is just like Runa. Not afraid of stuff or people, but she even runs from baby Roka in the pasture! Lilja is very confident in the pasture, and out and about, but if she doesn't know a person, she shuts down if they pressure her. Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
RE: [IceHorses] Boy did we get snow!
>Wow... Cherie... I'm near Raleigh and it's a lot different here! >Bia Bia, In the summer I'm glad I'm up here, when you guys are roasting. I also briefly enjoy the snow. Now we've been stuck up here for two days because the road to our house is nothing but a series of tight switch-backs. Nerve wracking to guests on a perfect day! After a snowfall, it often warms up just enough during the day for the snow in some sections to melt partially, only to refreeze during the night. Hoping it will melt tomorrow, otherwise I'll have to spend most of the day in my boss's house teaching her to use the digital photo frame my hubby and I got her for Christmas. What were we thinking! Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
RE: [IceHorses] Boy did we get snow!
>Wow, you got a lot. We didn't get any >precipitation today, but it was cold >and windy. Please feel free to keep >>all the snow up there... :) >Karen Thomas, NC Other than being trapped up here for today and probably tomorrow, I've enjoyed the snow. I took Roka (Icelandic) and Tyra (Fjord) on a "naked" hike (them not me! No halters). We had great fun running around in the snow, racing to the top of a big hill (Roka won), jumping over logs, bothering the llamas(the horsie girls went into the shed and ate some of their hay), and they were very interested in watching me chopping two-inch thick ice in the sheep's spring fed tank and I enjoyed watching them play with the ice chunks! Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
RE: [IceHorses] Barn sour article
>There's an interesting article on dealing with "Barn Sour" horses in the >latest issue of Trail Rider magazine. The article was written by Lynn Palm. >It's worth the cost of the magazine, I think. >Karen Thomas >[EMAIL PROTECTED] I was thinking the same thing! It's very well thought out and sensibly written. Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Rain
> It has rained ALL day today. > > Karen Thomas Same here, we need the rain but it is irritating that it only rains at night or on my days off! We are expecting a real snow tomorrow, up to 6 inches! Cherie Western North Carolina
RE: [IceHorses] Horsey Christmas gift?
>Debbie K wrote >but the gift I love is an Eagle suncatcher from my daughter, it is >just beautiful... Heartfelt gifts from people you love are the most special. Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] Horsey Christmas gift?
Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas! I got a helmet cam and a Trackstick! http://www.trackstick.com/trackstickII.htm The Trackstick is about the size of a pocket knife. It uses satellites to track your movement. You can keep it on you and when you're done hiking, riding, etc., you plug it into a USB port. The software shows the time you started, any stops and their length, speed, direction, altitude, temp. and then you can bring it up on GoogleEarth or YahooMaps as a map. It will be great when I go wandering around on the trails, using pieces of different trails. I can make my own trail map and then I can get videos of it with my helmet cam! We had snow enough to play in this morning and it's almost all melted now. That's the way I like my snow. Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
RE: [IceHorses] "Fixing" a horse
Susan: My sweet little Fjord, is low horse on the totem pole in our herd of 7. The Belgian geldings are especially worrisome to her because to run her off food they run up behind her and nip her butt hard. I ride her around on my property alone and she has been ridden in the arena with two of the mares who are gentle with her, with no problem. The first time I took her to a Fjord horse get-together, I was hand walking her and a little Arabian gelding ran up behind her and she kicked him. She doesn't dare kick hard in protest at home and she didn't this time, but it was startling! I knew she was afraid these strange horses were going to bite her, so we did a little clicker training. I had her follow a gelding close, so she could smell him and touch him and then had her pass him. I clicked her all the time she was being calm, while she was passing, just as his nose got to her midsection and continued clicking while he got in position behind her. I had people lead horses past her from the front so she could see them first and then go behind her while I clicked her for calm behavior. Then I had one come up behind slowly from far away, come just to before the spot she might get a bit tense, click and reward. When we finally went out on her first trail ride, we started walking behind one mellow, slow gelding. When she ended up walking faster than him, we passed him and again I clicked her several times during the process, and she was fine with him behind her. The first time I ride in a big group, we may have some more work ahead of us. Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] Lovely farm for Sale in KY - 80+ acres near Anneliese - VERY reasonable
Karen...I did not appreciate living in an area where I heard the N word as part of a conversation. Back off. Raven Hummm..I haven't heard that in North Carolina, but I lived in Raymondville, Missouri for 6 weeks and freaked when I heard the N word a number of times. Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] OT - chickens
Our chickens live in a cute wheeled a-frame chicken hut that can be closed up at night for extra protection they are fenced inside a movable plastic mesh electric fence. When the grass gets all torn up, I just move the whole thing to a new area. A Great Pyrenees is also a great coyote/fox deterrent. Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
RE: [IceHorses] OT - chickens
We have a Wyandotte, a Bantam Barred Rock, a Buff Orpington, and a Bantam Cochin. All lay brown eggs. The banty Barred Rock lays and egg a day all year with a brief time out for molt. The Wyandotte and Orpington lay almost every day. The Bantam Cochin is a great pet, doesn't know she's a chicken and probably thinks it is beneath her to lay eggs! Cherie
RE: R E: [IceHorses] Leaving home on Dagur
>I was clucking instead of using a clicker. >And treating. It will take a while. >Lorraine If you're clucking as a go forward cue and treating AFTER he's gone a step, you're actually rewarding the stop! If you cluck to go forward and just as he's in the process of stepping, you click, the click is telling him that what he did at that moment is what you're looking for. If you meant that you're using a single cluck sound instead of the clicker, that's ok. A lot of people have trouble handling the clicker, reins, etc. I use a single cluck for the "yes" and a "kiss" for go. Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] Computer illiterate
>Would someone please let me know if you can open and view this attachment? >Nancy Nope! Cherie
R E: [IceHorses] Leaving home on Dagur
I was working with an Icelandic who did exactly that. Stopped dead. It really helped to clicker her for any forward motion. If she was stuck, I'd try to get her to move even one front foot and click. If I couldn't get her to step straight forward, if I got her to step slightly to the side, I'd still click and treat. first just for a few steps each time, then more and more. It would probably help to still do the carrot things for a double incentive! Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] Missy Brenna
You and Brenna look so cute together! The far away pic makes me want to live in Western North Carolina..oh wait! I do! Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
RE: [IceHorses]iPod - books
>I had trouble with the books not downloading completely >to my computer and to the iPod. Since I had paid for them and could not >seem to contact Apple for help, I finally quit - too expensive. A friend >had the same experience. >Any helpful hints? >Nancy The only problem I had is some of the audio books sequence their chapters the same for each CD, assuming people are loading one CD at a time. Then if you load them to the ipod it gets confused as to what to play next and will often play all the CD's chapter 1s then chapter 2s etc. instead of in sequence. When I'm about to download a CD to the Ipod site, once the CD is recognized, I right click, and then click on Get Info and will change the names of the cuts to something like CD1-1, CD2-1, etc. and then they will play in the right order. Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] Christmas gift idea
>I am doing a lot of boring work >right now, finishing the woodwork (trim) for our new house. So I load >recorded books into my computer and from there into my Ipod. >Anneliese Me too! That's the only thing that keeps me sane doing menial labor for my boss's farm. I spent three days "helping" Marjie decorate her giant tree and the rest of the castle and then had to wrap over 500 presents (no lie, she's rich AND has 9 grandkids). That's NOT in my farm Manager job description! The murder mysteries work best for me. I borrow the audio books from the library, download them to the I Pod library and then load what I want to my Ipod at my leisure. If I'm out weeding, raking leaves or pruning and I don't want to listen to myself gripe (funny, I don't mind cleaning horse stalls), I play loud, angry rock and sing to it (as long as no one is around). Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
RE: [IceHorses] OT - trail class
>No icelandics, but looks SO FUN! >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFST-2Yngls >Mary Dudley, LVT >"Just Dream It" >Fandango Ranch I've never seen the race before, they have a regular trail class too. I know they change the course every year and always have some weird surprises. If I was still in Northern Ca, I'd make the trip. Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
RE: [IceHorses] OT-chickens
Janice: Emus! Now I know you're crazy! Do you know they eat minimally 1 1/2 to 2 lbs of special pellets a day? They also have to be fed those special ratite pellets, otherwise you'll get growth problems in the legs. While you're raising them you have to be very careful that they don't eat a lot of rocks and other indigestible items.They are much nicer than ostriches but can still pack a punch when they kick and they do peck at shiny objects! That said, they are cute and look like little striped tumbleweeds when they hatch. Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] 1st time to scrub in
>This is my daughter, Annie, scrubbing in for the first time on major >equine surgery at vet school. Laree Hurray for Annie. Her first major surgery at school and she gets to close! I'm jealous! She's going to be a great vet. Tell her I was at the Nature Center today working with the wolves and coyotes. I said hi to the critters for her! Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
