[Ilugc] Regarding staring Coimbatore Linux users and group

[rajkumar vbalakrishnasamy]

Hi all,
We  have planned to start coimbatore linux users and group.so
please send some suggestions regarding this and we need some volunteers to
organise  events preferrebly from coimbatore.

Rajkumar:

email: rajkumar.l...@gmail.com
ph no: 9003655200

Selvakumar:

email: selvawith...@gmail.com
ph no: 04259280008


Yuvaraj:

email:uvar...@gmail.com 
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Re: [Ilugc] Give me the answer for this.

[Roshan George]

On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 11:33 +0530, Murali Babu wrote:
> Hello Linuxers,
> 
> I am working on linux questions, when googled i found this questions but i
> cant find the answer.
> So pls anser this question.
> 
> 
> When typing at the command line, the default editor is the _?
> library.
> 

This might be your answer: .

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[Ilugc] Give me the answer for this.

[Murali Babu]

Hello Linuxers,

I am working on linux questions, when googled i found this questions but i
cant find the answer.
So pls anser this question.


When typing at the command line, the default editor is the _?
library.


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Re: [Ilugc] Google Voice and Video Plugin Isnt for Fedora

[Varrun Ramani]

On 23 August 2010 11:08, Arun Prakash  wrote:
>
> Isnt the Google plugin available for Fedora ?
>

http://tinyurl.com/2ent5sy

Not sure if there is a way but Google Technical requirements state
that a Debian based Linux distribution is necessary.

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[Ilugc] Google Voice and Video Plugin Isnt for Fedora

[Arun Prakash]

Hi all,

I recently found that Google has released its voice and video  chat plugin for 
Linux users . 

When i tried to install it for my System running Fedora 13 from the site 
http://www.google.com/chat/video ,

I found the plugin is downloaded in .deb extension .ie., for Debian based 
System . 

Isnt the Google plugin available for Fedora ?

Regards,

Arun Prakash











  
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS awareness program @ Karpagam Institute of Technology, Coimbatore

[Baskar Selvaraj]

>
> Why are you going for fedora.. is there any particular reason (in our
> college we are having ubuntu,if fedora is better for any reason i can
> suggest them to use it),
>

Since, many colleges don't have DVD drives in the computers, the only way
for us to setup a FOSS lab is through PXE based network installation
simultaneously without depending on optical disk/drives and for this we use
customized fedora installation combining Fedora Everything +  rpmfusion
repository (including all multimedia softwares / codecs etc).

If anyone could help me to create a similar one for Ubuntu based Kickstart
installation, then we can do for Ubuntu also.


> What's meant by kickstart method,
>

http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch25_:_Network-Based_Linux_Installation

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/13/html/Installation_Guide/ch-kickstart2.html

Four thousand two hundred and twenty five!!! can you tell just a note
> what are those packages.
>

http://linuxbaskar.googlepages.com/ks-f13.cfg-4225

Almost everything equivalent to proprietary kind of softwares.  The
installation time was about 1:45 hrs on a C2D with 2GB RAM and complete
installation takes about 15GB space totally (usually we setup a 60 seat FOSS
lab in less than 5 hrs using our FOSS Setup / Deployment Kit)

Regards

S. Baskar
CEO/LinuXpert Systems

P.S: We have already started setting up FOSS labs for engg. colleges in the
coimbatore region.  If any college require a FOSS lab setup, they can send a
request mail to us and we will setup the lab ASAP.
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Re: [Ilugc] [Tip] Fast and Clever at the command line

[sivakumar]

On Sat, 2010-08-21 at 22:48 +0530, Tha.Suresh wrote:
> Get lightning fast and clever at the command line
> 
> You can use keyboard shortcuts and other command line tricks to make
> entering commands easier and faster. You might already know about the
> ‘tab’ key which completes partial commands and even file and directory
> names.
> 
> Here are some other keyboard shortcuts you can use within terminal:
> 
> Ctrl-aMove to the start of the line.
> Ctrl-eMove to the end of the line.
> Alt-] x   Moves the cursor forward to the next occurrence of x.
> Alt-Ctrl-] x Moves the cursor backwards to the previous occurrence of x.
> Ctrl-uDelete from the cursor to the beginning of the line.
> Ctrl-kDelete from the cursor to the end of the line.
> Ctrl-yPastes text from the clipboard.
> Ctrl-lClear the screen leaving the current line at the top of the screen.
> Ctrl-x Ctrl-uUndo the last changes. Ctrl-_
> Alt-r Undo all changes to the line.
> Alt-  Ctrl-eExpand command line.
> Ctrl-rIncremental reverse search of history.
> Alt-pNon-incremental reverse search of history.
> !! Execute last command in history
> !abc Execute last command in history beginning with abc
> !nExecute nth command in history
> ^abc^xyz Replace first occurrence of abc with xyz in last
> command and execute it
> 

Couple more to add 

ALT  + D   delete a word forward from cursor
CTRL + W   delete a word backword from cursor

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Re: [Ilugc] session in opensource

[Baskar Selvaraj]

i dont know whether i can give college address to get those

> repository, sorry i have to ask HOD so i  can tell about it on monday
> evening or tuesday only.
>

The ubuntu 10.04 install dvd + 8 packages dvd is ready to send to your
college address.
We can provide the free software media and repositories free of cost only
for
institutions and not for individuals.  So, better inform this to your HOD
and try to
collect from them.

Will send the above dvd's to college address after getting reply from you.

Regards

S. Baskar
CEO/LinuXpert Systems
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[Ilugc] [JOB] Urgent requirement for System Developer - Linux with One the leading MNC at B'lore

[Srinivasan Sundararajan]

got the following info in one of my mails. those interested could contact
the recruiter directly.
with best wishes,
srinivasan

--
from : "hi...@dcspl.com" 
We are pleased to introduce ourselves as a fast growing recruitment
consultancy firm engaged in the recruitment of senior & middle management
level positions in India as well as abroad.

One of our esteemed client is One of the leading MNC from Denmark.

Designation: System Developer – Linux – Open Source
Location: B' lore - Whitefield

Salary: Depends of current package.

Job Profile:

You will join a dynamic team with responsibility which support, maintains
and customizes on some mains central systems in R&D, as the electronic
notebook, the project management system, and share point sites according to
the needs of our employees in the R&D organization.

Challenges
Your focus area will be system development for handling of DNA and protein
sequences from a huge amount of public and in-house genomes. The
applications are preferably presented over the Intra web using modern web
development technologies. You will receive the needed education for gaining
knowledge about the relevant systems from the team in Denmark.

You will be located in the IT APPLICATION SERVICES department in Bangalore.
In your daily work you will be tightly connected to the R&D Data Management
department in Denmark. Travels and short stays in Denmark for training are
part of the job.

Please mention year of Exp in following Skills:
Qualifications
Proven record of software development skills, preferable by
patch-submission/engagement in public Open Source projects – Yes/No:
General understanding of software development tools, VCS (subversion), SQL
(PostgreSQL/MySQL) – Yes/No:
General understanding of the Open Source eco-system, how to engage and solve
problems – Yes/No:
Excellent Perl development skills (DBIx::Class, Catalyst) - – Yes/No:
General understanding of web-development (XHTML, CSS, JavaScript) - –
Yes/No:
Knowledge about C, make, bash and general Linux System administration
(Ubuntu Linux) - – Yes/No:
Preferably you have knowledge of bio-informatics – Yes/No:

Education: Graduate with Computer or IT degree.

So please forward me your updated resume as soon as possible.

If any of your friend/relative/associate is interested, kindly forward the
latest resume in MS word format, as an attachment to hi...@dcspl.com

Do mention your present as well as the expected salary (Cost to the
Company).

Wishing you all the best in your quest for getting a better job opportunity.

With warm regards,

Hiren Makvana
c/o Dhruv Counseling Services
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Nr. Chiripal House,
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[Ilugc] [Tip] When feeling down, this command helps

[Tha.Suresh]

 When feeling down, this command helps

$ sl

$ sudo apt-get install sl

$ man sl
:-)   ;-)


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[Ilugc] [JOB][OT] VideoPulp Technologies Bangalore

[Mohan Sundaram]

Posting a startup company's job
=
Job Description for Engineer - VideoPulp technlogies

VideoPulp Technologies is a startup in Video Search. We work on
cutting  edge technologies to extract contextual data from videos and
build search databases. We are growing and we are looking to hire some
of the sharpest minds as our first engineers. Looking for somebody who
enjoys challenges and somebody who is result oriented.

Our Current offering is the VideoPulp platform which analyzes videos
in enterprise network and builds search database of the videos. We are
seeing huge ineterest for our offering across industries and
verticals.
We are working on allied technologies to improve the current offering
and develop other products.

The Ideal candidate would have

1) Strong C programming skills
2) Background in open source
3) Strong skills in scripting language
4) Exposure to Speech to text, Image processing is a big plus.
5) Should be able to learn new technologies fast.
The candidate should be able to interact with customers, Engineers ,
and Interns .

Salary is competitive and will increase based on performance.
Stake will be considered  based on performance.

Interested candidates can mail their resume to hhema...@gmail.com

http://videopulp.in
http://videoppulp.in/corporate


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VideoPulp Technologies
www.videopulp.in
mob : +919886685724

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Re: [Ilugc] Re: Re: How to protect an idea from getting patented by

[Narendra Sisodiya]

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Rahul Sundaram  wrote:

>  On 08/22/2010 01:35 PM, K.C. Ramakrishna wrote:
> >> Seems like if you want to do software business in united states, you
> >> have to commit the sin.
> > We are a free software consulting firm. I am a paying member of the FSF.
> I subscribe to the patent related views of FSF. I also subscribe to the
> 'pragmatic idealism' view point.
> > Morality and Legality are very different. We need to operate within the
> established laws. As the laws are bad, FSF and other organisations are
>  lobbying to change them. Until they are changed, we need to adopt a
> practical approach within the boundaries of the law.
> >
> > Best thing is to patent it and then transfer ownership to FSF.
>
>
The statement is like - "Give all nuclear weapon to Mahatma Gandhi instead
of destroying them" :)


> Before advocating this as a option, have you even talked to FSF first on
> whether it is possible to transfer patents to them and whether they are
> willing to accept?
>
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Re: [Ilugc] difference between free and opensource software

[Narendra Sisodiya]

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:26 AM, steve  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> On 08/22/2010 03:20 PM, Akilan R wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
>> wrote:
>>
>>   sorry, you got it wrong. open source software is truly free. So called
>>>  free software under GPL is restrictive of freedom
>>>
>>>
>> you say this because GPLed software is "not free to make it
>> proprietary" right? I'm sorry. I don't want to place my software in near
>> public domain where people can do whatever they wished.
>>
>>
>
+1 +1



> Excellent choice ! At the end of the day however, the people who do want to
> subvert this sharing, will probably just go ahead and do it anyways. The
> onus would be on you to prove that they did so (just take a look at
> gpl-violations.org for examples of how even big companies rip off the
> efforts of developers without any acknowledgment). However, at least by
> using something like GPL you expressively make it /illegal/ and not just
> /immoral/ to not share modifications.
>
> cheers,
> - steve
>
> PS: note, that the only reason I bothered replying is you proved that you
> actually have code out there and are not all talk. Kudos !


I am a developer, I never care about public domain. I want to write code
 for me and my community.
I use to talk about lots of persons from street shopkeeper to someone well
educated sitting in AC room. Most of them do not care about Linux and
its philosophy of freedom. Same with companies. For example, in Delhi, you
can find 'N' number  of Companies who work and get earning from "setting up
Drupal CMS", They never contributed back Drupal. When you release any good
in public domain, public will try to harness in negative manner. so I follow
GPL because, GPL is made by a hacker for hacker community so that software
will remain with hacker community at the same time it can be used by public.

See, Proprietary Software always comes first, but always the winner is free
software.
GPL has patent clauses too. GPL is a well engineered license for software.

PS: I even know a company from a close, who actually made modification in
Linux kernel and selling them into their switch and router. See, Company
only want to make profit at any cost. They never care about GPL and freedom.
So why should we write a software under 'near public domain'
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Re: [Ilugc] difference between free and opensource software

[Narendra Sisodiya]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
wrote:

> On Sat, 2010-08-21 at 21:21 +0530, balaji sivanath wrote:
> > Anyhow i asked what's the difference between opensource and free
> > software
> > if free software means "freedom to use,modify,redistribute" then what
> > opensource refers?
>
> foss - free to use, modify, redistribute, but not free to make it
> proprietary
>

Well, I agree with you !
not free to make it proprietary is good thing.




>
> oss - free to use, modify, redistribute, and free to make it proprietary
> --
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> KG
> http://lawgon.livejournal.com
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Re: [Ilugc] difference between free and opensource software

[Narendra Sisodiya]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
wrote:

> On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 06:13 +0530, Ma Sivakumar wrote:
> > Open Source Software gives room for compromise in Freedom. To
> > differentiate truly Free open source software from those which have
> > just source open, the term Shared Source is used.
> >
> > Hope I got it right.
>
> sorry, you got it wrong. open source software is truly free. So called
> free software under GPL is restrictive of freedom


which freedom are you talking about ?
Well MIT & GPL fulfill all 4 freedom of RMS.
Do write a blog or start a new movement on KG's point of view on Freedom of
Software.
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Re: [Ilugc] difference between free and opensource software

[Narendra Sisodiya]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:30 PM, K.P. Senthil Kumar wrote:

> >
> > Anyhow i asked what's the difference between opensource and free software
> > if free software means "freedom to use,modify,redistribute" then what
> > opensource refers?
> >
> >
> Free Software means not necessarily to be an open source product. For
> example Adobe Reader is a free software (Proprietary to Adobe). When the
> same Adobe Reader source code is available to us for use, modify and re
> distribute then it is open source.
>
>
OMG - you are perfectly wrong. Who told to spread this wrong thing to
you

Free Software means a software which is release under a license which
fulfill 4 freedom for software users and GPL license is one such example.

Free means Freedom.. and not free of cost...
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Re: [Ilugc] Re: Re: How to protect an idea from getting patented by

[Rahul Sundaram]

 On 08/22/2010 01:35 PM, K.C. Ramakrishna wrote:
>> Seems like if you want to do software business in united states, you 
>> have to commit the sin.
> We are a free software consulting firm. I am a paying member of the FSF. I 
> subscribe to the patent related views of FSF. I also subscribe to the 
> 'pragmatic idealism' view point. 
> Morality and Legality are very different. We need to operate within the 
> established laws. As the laws are bad, FSF and other organisations are  
> lobbying to change them. Until they are changed, we need to adopt a practical 
> approach within the boundaries of the law.
>
> Best thing is to patent it and then transfer ownership to FSF. 

Before advocating this as a option, have you even talked to FSF first on
whether it is possible to transfer patents to them and whether they are
willing to accept?

Rahul
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Re: [Ilugc] difference between free and opensource software

[steve]

Hi,

On 08/22/2010 03:20 PM, Akilan R wrote:

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
wrote:


 sorry, you got it wrong. open source software is truly free. So called
 free software under GPL is restrictive of freedom



you say this because GPLed software is "not free to make it
proprietary" right? I'm sorry. I don't want to place my software in near
public domain where people can do whatever they wished.



Excellent choice ! At the end of the day however, the people who do want to 
subvert this sharing, will probably just go ahead and do it anyways. The onus 
would be on you to prove that they did so (just take a look at 
gpl-violations.org for examples of how even big companies rip off the efforts of 
developers without any acknowledgment). However, at least by using something 
like GPL you expressively make it /illegal/ and not just /immoral/ to not share 
modifications.


cheers,
- steve

PS: note, that the only reason I bothered replying is you proved that you 
actually have code out there and are not all talk. Kudos !


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Re: [Ilugc] Re: How to protect an idea from getting patented by someone?

[Rahul Sundaram]

 On 08/22/2010 11:51 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote
> ok - so I am wrong. but not very wrong. I see 80 or so patents,
> apparently one in 2010, 2-3 in 2009 and all the rest several years ago.
> So either they have stopped writing innovative software or have stopped
> wasting their time (and lawyers fees) filing patents. I wonder how they
> do business if they only file one or two patents a year?
>
> compare this to the number microsoft has filed. Anyway thanks for doing
> the research. Very enlightening.

Speaking for myself, the amount of employees and money that Microsoft
can spend on filing and getting patents is much much larger than Red Hat
can hope to or want to compete with.  The answer to that problem is
promoting the policy of eradicating or atleast preventing/ limiting the
spread of the software patent problem globally and becoming part of
patent pools like OIN. 

Rahul

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Re: [Ilugc] Re: How to protect an idea from getting patented by someone?

[Rahul Sundaram]

 On 08/22/2010 02:28 PM, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:
>
> Am I correct If I say -- "Idea cannot be patented but once they are
> published they can be used as prior art for defensing purpose ?"

That is confusing.  When people talk about "defensive patents", they are
refer to the policy of organizations that only use patents as for
defence (ie) they don't sue first for any patent violation.  In the case
of Red Hat,  the policy is made part of a public promise to assure free
and open source software developers a certain level of trust in not
acting in bad faith.  I would note however that a patent license is
preferably to a promise and there are people within and outside Red Hat
pushing for that. 

Although other patents can be shown to be prior art, it is a somewhat of
a dicey strategy unless the other patents have already expired because
if you say patent bar is prior art to patent foo, it will invalidate
patent foo but the patent holder of patent bar can sue you for a
violation. 

Rahul
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Re: [Ilugc] Re: How to protect an idea from getting patented by someone?

[steve]

Hi,

On 08/22/2010 02:28 PM, Narendra Sisodiya wrote:

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:16 PM, steve  wrote:



 Defensive patenting is to create a patent on something so that you can
 protect yourself from being sued.

 Defensive publication is publication of an idea so that later on if someone
 tries to patent the idea, you can point to your publication to say the idea
 is 'prior art' (and as such not patentable).




Am I correct If I say -- "Idea cannot be patented but once they are
published they can be used as prior art for defensing purpose ?"


Well, *theoretically* ^ideas^ can *never* be patented. Not in the US, not 
anywhere.

*Theoretically* only a mechanism (ie: a system 'implementing' an idea) or a 
method can be patented. Unfortunately however, the US patent law is so broken 
when it comes to software that all you have to do to patent an idea is precede 
your idea with the statement 'A system, method or apparatus for ' 
and in all probability you would be granted a patent.


Ironically, the initial motivation for patent law was to protect the 'small guy' 
from the 'big corporations' who had the resources to just reverse engineer the 
small guy's invention and make money out of it without ever crediting the small 
guy. Unfortunately ignorance and sheer volume has led to the mess of software 
patents in its current state.


Anyways, to answer your question simplistically -- Yes, publishing your 
invention effectively proves that you thought about the invention first so 
anybody else applying for the patent will not be called the inventor (ie: will 
not be awarded the patent). So your publication is called as prior art.


There is an effort by eff as well as OIN to help the US patent office to 
identify such false patents:


http://w2.eff.org/patent/
http://linuxdefenders.org/projects?tab=1
http://linuxdefenders.org/projects?tab=2

If you are interested in (US) IP law and software, it is a good place to help 
out.

Fortunately for us Indians, there is an actively involved community of mostly 
unknown and under-appreciated activists including (surprise, surprise !) 
government babus who understand the issue of software patents ! This is the 
reason why India rejected the idea of software patents the last time it came up:


http://www.financialexpress.com/news/story/82155/

However, the threat still remains, all the MNC software companies who love the 
software patent culture and have deep pockets keep trying to push the agenda for 
this in India too. It really is up to us to inform and educate enough people so 
that the ridiculous notion of patenting 'ideas' (that's what software is all 
about anyways) is never accepted here in India.


cheers,
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Re: [Ilugc] Software Freedom Day (PR - Co-ordination)

[Akilan R]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Arun SAG  wrote:

> Hey, this is nice. Is it possible to use this in wordpress blogs?


Since this module does not care about blog posts/ feeds etc presence of
Google Blogger API is *not* necessary.
So this should work on any blog sites that accept general Google Pages API
(they may have their own
blog engine and API though). But i'm not sure if wordpress supports Google
API.

You can put this wherever OpenSocial APIs are supported because Google Pages
API is pre-requisite for OpenSocial.
You can add this to your profile or pages in Hi5, MySpace, LinkedIn, etc.
But you cannot add it to Facebook profile. :-(
But Facebook is already taken care of by people i guess. We have an event in
ILUGC page. :-)

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS awareness program @ Karpagam Institute of Technology, Coimbatore

[balaji sivanath]

>Try this http://www.apdip.net/publications/fosseprimers/foss-edu.pdf

it works

sorry, without seeing *. i said as "not working"
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Re: [Ilugc] Software Freedom Day (PR - Co-ordination)

[Arun SAG]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Akilan R  wrote:

>
> >To customize the color, border etc before adding to any page or blog you
> can
> >go here:
>
> >http://www.gmodules.com/ig/creator?synd=open&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhosting.gmodules.com%2Fig%2Fgadgets%2Ffile%2F108664960353323049895%2Fsfd-ilugc.xml&lang=en
>
>
Hey, this is nice. Is it possible to use this in wordpress blogs?
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Re: [Ilugc] session in opensource

[balaji sivanath]

hi baskar,

Whether i have to pay transport charges?

i am very eager to get those stuffs and showing to others, i will tell
you within tomorrow evening.

how long will it take to reach here.
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS awareness program @ Karpagam Institute of Technology, Coimbatore

[Arun SAG]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:09 PM, balaji sivanath wrote:

> hi baskar,
>
> this link has no content
> http://www.apdip.net/publications/*foss*eprimers/*foss*-edu.pdf
>
>
Try this http://www.apdip.net/publications/fosseprimers/foss-edu.pdf



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Re: [Ilugc] Software Freedom Day (PR - Co-ordination)

[Akilan R]

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Ma Sivakumar  wrote:

> 2. If possible, provide a script link in the widget itself, clicking
> on which the widget can be added to a blog. For example, other
> bloggers coming to my blog should be able to add the widget to their
> blog by clicking and entering their blog address.  (I remember such a
> widget sometime back, do not have the details though :-(
>

Now the gadget is available as a part of Google network itself. One does not
need to give the URL manually to add it.
It can be searched for added to the pages from add gadget window itself. For
adding it to iGoogle clicking following link will work:

http://fusion.google.com/ig/add?synd=open&source=ggyp&moduleurl=http://hosting.gmodules.com/ig/gadgets/file/108664960353323049895/sfd-ilugc.xml

To customize the color, border etc before adding to any page or blog you can
go here:
http://www.gmodules.com/ig/creator?synd=open&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhosting.gmodules.com%2Fig%2Fgadgets%2Ffile%2F108664960353323049895%2Fsfd-ilugc.xml&lang=en

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS awareness program @ Karpagam Institute of Technology, Coimbatore

[balaji sivanath]

hi baskar,

this link has no content
http://www.apdip.net/publications/*foss*eprimers/*foss*-edu.pdf

>Setup a FOSS lab (a minimum of 60 computers) in the college using
>Fedora-13 (We install about 4225 packages in all the computers using
>kickstart method and ask the students to work on it for sometime and explore
>the FOSS world)
Why are you going for fedora.. is there any particular reason (in our
college we are having ubuntu,if fedora is better for any reason i can
suggest them to use it),
What's meant by kickstart method,
Four thousand two hundred and twenty five!!! can you tell just a note
what are those packages.
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Re: [Ilugc] difference between free and opensource software

[Akilan R]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
wrote:

> On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 15:20 +0530, Akilan R wrote:
> > you say this because GPLed software is "not free to make it
> > proprietary" right? I'm sorry. I don't want to place my software in
> > near
> > public domain where people can do whatever they wished.
>
> may I have the url to your software please
>
>
And KG, please refute my points about freedom and responsibility instead of
making personal attacks.
You invoked fallacy of Ad Hominem[1] during tamil in ilugc discussion too.
Please address the issue in hand.

[1] http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html
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Re: [Ilugc] difference between free and opensource software

[Akilan R]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
wrote:

> On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 15:20 +0530, Akilan R wrote:
> > you say this because GPLed software is "not free to make it
> > proprietary" right? I'm sorry. I don't want to place my software in
> > near
> > public domain where people can do whatever they wished.
>
> may I have the url to your software please
>

https://sites.google.com/site/akilan27/computer/sudoku

http://hosting.gmodules.com/ig/gadgets/file/108664960353323049895/sfd-ilugc.xml[This
is very small actually.]

I'm waiting for the approval of my university to put my final year project
code into GPL.

Note: I have not included any patches and edits I sent to other people's
GPLed software.

PS: I too have written some code. Its not that i just want to use other
people's software and not give back anything.

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Re: [Ilugc] difference between free and opensource software

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 15:20 +0530, Akilan R wrote:
> you say this because GPLed software is "not free to make it
> proprietary" right? I'm sorry. I don't want to place my software in
> near
> public domain where people can do whatever they wished. 

may I have the url to your software please
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS awareness program @ Karpagam Institute of Technology, Coimbatore

[Baskar Selvaraj]

>
> FOSS awareness means what topics will be discussed
>
>
* What is FOSS ?
(including the history of GNU (by RMS) and Linux (by Linus Torvalds) and
make them clearly understand what is GNU and what is Linux and why it should
be called GNU/Linux than just Linux)

as steve elaborated in detail at
http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2010-August/060028.html
Thanks steve

* Difference between Proprietary Softwares and FOSS (licensing issues)

* Why FOSS for education?

www.apdip.net/publications/*foss*eprimers/*foss*-edu.pdf

Why FOSS for Education?
  Lower Costs
  Reliability, Performance and Security
  Build Long-term Capacity
  Open Philosophy
  Encourage Innovations
  Alternative to Illegal Copying
  Possibility of Localization
  Learning from Source Code

* Start using GNU/Linux Operating System in less than 3 minutes (Demo using
Linux Mint-9 Live DVD to open word/pdf documents, play videos, get connected
to internet, accessing USB devices and so on)

* Making a student to install Ubuntu /Linux-Mint in simple 7 steps.

* Intro to all major apps. in GNU/Linux with comparison to Windows apps.

* Playing videos of Truth Happens, BigBuckBunny, Pranav Mistry's Sixth Sense
Technology

* Showing Marble / Compiz 3D / CairoDock OpenGL effects (this alone attracts
many students towards GNU/Linux)

* Activities of ILUG-C and how to join in the list.

* Setup a FOSS lab (a minimum of 60 computers) in the college using
Fedora-13 (We install about 4225 packages in all the computers using
kickstart method and ask the students to work on it for sometime and explore
the FOSS world)

* Finally distribute few bunch of various distro DVDs (mostly live DVDs) and
ask them to share among themselves.

Regards

S. Baskar
CEO/LinuXpert Systems
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[Ilugc] [Tip] Add Password Protection to a file your editing in vim.

[Tha.Suresh]

$ vim -x 

Add Password Protection to a file your editing in vim.

When you just want to edit a file and not worry about keys or having
to deal needing extra software on hand.
Thus, you can use vim's encrypted file format. ;)

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Re: [Ilugc] difference between free and opensource software

[Akilan R]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
wrote:

> sorry, you got it wrong. open source software is truly free. So called
> free software under GPL is restrictive of freedom
>

you say this because GPLed software is "not free to make it
proprietary" right? I'm sorry. I don't want to place my software in near
public domain where people can do whatever they wished.

When India was said to have attained freedom, nobody meant that there was no
laws governing us and we can do whatever we wanted.
we got freedom of expression, religion, voting, blah blah, but at the same
time we had lot of duties too. That is what is called freedom.
Rights without duties, freedom without morality is not desirable. That is
not true freedom at all. That will lead to anarchy.

*We expect people who benefit from free knowledge to contribute back to it.*
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Re: [Ilugc] Re: How to protect an idea from getting patented by someone?

[Narendra Sisodiya]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:16 PM, steve  wrote:

>
> Defensive patenting is to create a patent on something so that you can
> protect yourself from being sued.
>
> Defensive publication is publication of an idea so that later on if someone
> tries to patent the idea, you can point to your publication to say the idea
> is 'prior art' (and as such not patentable).
>
>

Am I correct If I say -- "Idea cannot be patented but once they are
published they can be used as prior art for defensing purpose ?"
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[Ilugc] Liferay

[Rajesh kumar]

Dear luggies,

Any one here knows about Liferay, I am building a Employee portal intranet,
so please guide me between plone vs liferay.

Have any one has the following book

*Liferay Portal Enterprise Intranets. if so can you send me.

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[Ilugc] Re: Re: How to protect an idea from getting patented by

[K.C. Ramakrishna]

> Seems like if you want to do software business in united states, you 
> have to commit the sin.

We are a free software consulting firm. I am a paying member of the FSF. I 
subscribe to the patent related views of FSF. I also subscribe to the 
'pragmatic idealism' view point. 
Morality and Legality are very different. We need to operate within the 
established laws. As the laws are bad, FSF and other organisations are  
lobbying to change them. Until they are changed, we need to adopt a practical 
approach within the boundaries of the law.

Best thing is to patent it and then transfer ownership to FSF. We applied for a 
patent which was rejected. But if we had been awarded it, we were planning to 
assign ownership to either the FSF or http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/ 

The other solution is to challenge the patents legally by citing prior-art.

I am not commenting on the morality of patenting here but the practical 
solution in the real world scenario where patent laws exist. Until software 
patent system are legally dealt with, the above solution is the most practical.

Patenting costs quite a bit of money so be warned.

Regards,
kc
K. C. Ramakrishna
www.rknowsys.com


  
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