Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
Friends. Let us stop this discussion here. Hope baskar will continue sending mails on this list on all his FOSS related activities. If the event is organized via ILUGC, he can put the word on bahalf of ILUGC. else, he can omit the string. Please stop here. -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My Life with GNU/Linux : http://goinggnu.wordpress.com Free E-Magazine on Free Open Source Software in Tamil : http://kaniyam.com Get CollabNet Subversion Edge : http://www.collab.net/svnedge ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Mohan Sundaram mohan@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:55 PM, A. Mani a.mani@gmail.com wrote: Further the member(s) in question should inform the list well in advance and obtain an implicit no objection certificate on the mailing list. Such thoughts in the context of what Baskar is doing boil down to being regimental and bordering on the ludicrous. I mean post the announcement to the list and go ahead. Generally nobody is going to object to FOSS activities. But suppose somebody wants to MsDos training then people may object. The rules can be formulated easily. In all other events it better to post to the list without 'on behalf ILUGC'. But ILUGC may be involved in Free software events subject to clearance from the mailing list. I think we have lost complete sight of the spirit and the symbiotic relationship ILUGC can have with companies like Baskar's in furthering the cause of FOSS. No wonder Baskar feels he is better off without involving ILUGC. This does not bode well for us as a group. We are not a formal group (formal groups will have a structure, representatation vide elected office bearers etc) to give clearances nor do we have any one vested with that authority in this group. ILUGC can still have a set of functional rules about admissible activities. This discussion by itself suggests a set of rules. Best A. Mani A. Mani CU, ASL, AMS, CLC, CMS http://www.logicamani.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Baskar Selvaraj bas...@linuxpert.inwrote: Not necessary. I wish to stay away from all these noices because of my regular posts in this list. Si, no disturbance due to any of your post. As I was really worried about our education system going behind proprietary software, I took my very own initiative of promoting the value of FREE software in academics and will be doing that so for my lifetime. I appreciate your efforts so please carry forward in your own way. Don't give importance to these talks. Thanks for everyone who have supported me over the years. I will remain silent in this list, but won't be posting anything. Why to be silent? Do what you like. I appreciate your efforts in promoting FOSS. Keep it up. -- *Regards, Sahil ModGill* ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
Hi, --- On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Sundaram KR sundaram.ramachand...@kggroup.com wrote: | 2. The Linux kernel is jointly developed by entities such as RedHat, IBM etc. all of which are | commercial public companies, that exist to provide gains to shareholders. The employees from | the companies routinely post on the Linux Kernel mailing list. \-- Iff the company has given permission to the employee to use his/her official e-mail address, can he/she use the same. Otherwise, a different account needs to be used. Whether the individual is authorized to speak for the organization or not doesn't matter. Any e-mail sent through the official e-mail address can be used against the employee. --- | They do not add [Commercial] tag to | each and every post. I don't see why our Linux User | Group mailing list should be any different. \-- The objectives are different for a user group mailing list and a project list. They are not the same. Regards, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
The objectives are different for a user group mailing list and a project list. They are not the same. --- Is it the objective of ilugc mailing list to prevent members from talking about Commercial activities on the list? Nobody is answering this simple question; Free Software means Freedom not Free of Cost. Talking about commercial activities related to Free Software is not a crime on this list. Why is this so hard to understand? Is there a single among the 3000 members in this list not interested in earning money to support their livelihood? Even Richard Stallman receives money from the McArthur Foundation to support his other activities. So many many many people think it is a crime to talk about activities around Free Software that involve monetary gains - this is silly. ...KRS ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
Iff the company has given permission to the employee to use his/her official e-mail address, can he/she use the same. Otherwise, a different account needs to be used. Whether the individual is authorized to speak for the organization or not doesn't matter. Any e-mail sent through the official e-mail address can be used against the employee. --- The employees of IBM and RedHat are not secretly working on the Linux kernel; they are working in official capacity only. Likewise on this list, many members are working on FOSS products and services; sometimes gratis, sometimes charging money. Nobody needs to feel guilty for charging money for offering products and services based on FOSS. ...KRS ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
Hi, --- On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Sundaram KR sundaram.ramachand...@kggroup.com wrote: | Likewise on this list, many members are working on | FOSS products and services; sometimes gratis, sometimes charging money. \-- This is a volunteer-driven list, and people try to help each other out of their own interest. The problem is when commercial entities try to take advantage of the group for their own selfish needs, without appreciating the principles and values of the group. Just because it works elsewhere doesn't mean it should work everywhere. There have been cases where groups, and conferences (in India) have been hijacked for personal or commercial interests. But, this list is quite considerate to allow people to post with a 'Commercial' tag. Otherwise, it wouldn't have survived this long. --- | Nobody needs to feel guilty for charging money | for offering products and services based on FOSS. \-- Agreed. But, in a community, people are respected for their voluntary work, and nothing else. So, how one balances the number of voluntary and commercial posts is crucial, just as maintaining the signal-to-noise ratio. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
There have been cases where groups, and conferences (in India) have been hijacked for personal or commercial interests. I have not seen anybody hijacking this list for personal interests which are not based around Free Software. If anybody tries to do that on this list, we can simply ban them. But banning any post on a FOSS activity such as workshop; just because it is commercial does not make sense to me. But, this list is quite considerate to allow people to post with a 'Commercial' tag. Otherwise, it wouldn't have survived this long So, how one balances the number of voluntary and commercial posts is crucial, just as maintaining the signal-to-noise ratio. Very true. Which is why I suggested a FOSS-AD tag, and limiting such tagged posts to 5 per month. Totally banning such FOSS-related posts entirely is not a good idea, IMHO. ...KRS ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
Hi, --- On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Sundaram KR sundaram.ramachand...@kggroup.com wrote: | I have not seen anybody hijacking this list for personal interests | which are not based around Free Software. \-- True. I am only trying to make people aware of what has happened in other communities. --- | If anybody tries to do that on this list, we can simply ban them. \-- There is no we after a hijacking. --- | But banning any post on a FOSS activity such as workshop; | just because it is commercial does not make sense to me. \-- I have explained that in my previous reply. I'll stop here. Period. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Raman Pandarinathan raam...@gmail.com wrote: 1.Let us use 'on behalf of ILUGC' only if any ONE of the following is satisfied a.If the offer for the event came to ILUGC either on the list or to the co-ordinator/members and someone attends the event. Further the member(s) in question should inform the list well in advance and obtain an implicit no objection certificate on the mailing list. b.If we talk about ILUGC in the event or had banner/any other material promoting ILUGC. In all other events it better to post to the list without 'on behalf ILUGC'. But ILUGC may be involved in Free software events subject to clearance from the mailing list. Best A. Mani A. Mani CU, ASL, AMS, CLC, CMS http://www.logicamani.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
I am new to the list but personally I feel that there using the On behalf of ILUGC name for conducting free events and workshops should be allowed or rather encouraged. Imparting knowledge for free resonates with the core principles of the FOSS community. The contentious part seems to be when the group's name is used for promoting commercial events whose aim is to make money. A simple compromise would be to allow sharing of information about commercial workshops but making it clear that these events are conducted in purely individual capacity and are not representative of the group. Just my 2 cents. Thanks, GR On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Balachandran Sivakumar benignb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:55 PM, A. Mani a.mani@gmail.com wrote: Further the member(s) in question should inform the list well in advance and obtain an implicit no objection certificate on the mailing list. Why do you think this is needed ? What does an implicit no objection certificate mean ? What if people object to someone doing it individually ? (may be out of jealousy, nothing valid). What if the poerson is requested to present something short notice ? Do you think we should not talk about/on behalf of ilugc even to genuinely interested people. That's unfair. But ILUGC may be involved in Free software events subject to clearance from the mailing list. From all 3000 members ? Just 1 member ? What if 5 guys agree and 5 guys disagree ? Instead of doing our best to promote free software, and appreciating people who earnestly do that, we are talking about totally unnecessary rules here. At least Raman's points look quite reasonable, but I personally do not agree with these as a necessity. Thanks -- Thank you Balachandran Sivakumar Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached. - Swami Vivekananda Mail: benignb...@gmail.com Blog: http://benignbala.wordpress.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
Raman Pandarinathan raam...@gmail.com writes: Dear all Probably I would have posted maximum 'on behalf of ILUGC' in the list for the last 10 years. My humble opinion 1.Let us use 'on behalf of ILUGC' only if any ONE of the following is satisfied a.If the offer for the event came to ILUGC either on the list or to the co-ordinator/members and someone attends the event. b.If we talk about ILUGC in the event or had banner/any other material promoting ILUGC. In all other events it better to post to the list without 'on behalf ILUGC'. I have been following above guidelines and refrain from postings events where I could not talk about ILUGC. This seems to be right solution. But there are always e-mail filters. May be the OPs should help others to filter such mails easily. Thanks and Regards Noorul ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
Hi On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:55 PM, A. Mani a.mani@gmail.com wrote: Further the member(s) in question should inform the list well in advance and obtain an implicit no objection certificate on the mailing list. Why do you think this is needed ? What does an implicit no objection certificate mean ? What if people object to someone doing it individually ? (may be out of jealousy, nothing valid). What if the poerson is requested to present something short notice ? Do you think we should not talk about/on behalf of ilugc even to genuinely interested people. That's unfair. But ILUGC may be involved in Free software events subject to clearance from the mailing list. From all 3000 members ? Just 1 member ? What if 5 guys agree and 5 guys disagree ? Instead of doing our best to promote free software, and appreciating people who earnestly do that, we are talking about totally unnecessary rules here. At least Raman's points look quite reasonable, but I personally do not agree with these as a necessity. Thanks -- Thank you Balachandran Sivakumar Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached. - Swami Vivekananda Mail: benignb...@gmail.com Blog: http://benignbala.wordpress.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:55 PM, A. Mani a.mani@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Raman Pandarinathan raam...@gmail.com wrote: 1.Let us use 'on behalf of ILUGC' only if any ONE of the following is satisfied a.If the offer for the event came to ILUGC either on the list or to the co-ordinator/members and someone attends the event. Further the member(s) in question should inform the list well in advance and obtain an implicit no objection certificate on the mailing list. what else sign green sheets and get a police clearance , i do not know what world we are living in or where is it going . this whole thread i see now is leading nowhere . the biggest strength we have is we are disorganized and are living in virtual space . we can say and do what we want . we can move fast and meet physically in the analog world when required . This whole fifedom will kill this and lead to destruction of this community/space . b.If we talk about ILUGC in the event or had banner/any other material promoting ILUGC. In all other events it better to post to the list without 'on behalf ILUGC'. But ILUGC may be involved in Free software events subject to clearance from the mailing list. i do not care much about this anymore i do what i have to do with or without people supporting the cause or not , if the cause is important people will join or i will do what i have to do anyway . what are we trying to create a new BCCI :-) i am out of this thread too -Satya Satyaakam.net http://satyaakam.net/ | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:55 PM, A. Mani a.mani@gmail.com wrote: Further the member(s) in question should inform the list well in advance and obtain an implicit no objection certificate on the mailing list. Such thoughts in the context of what Baskar is doing boil down to being regimental and bordering on the ludicrous. b.If we talk about ILUGC in the event or had banner/any other material promoting ILUGC. In all other events it better to post to the list without 'on behalf ILUGC'. But ILUGC may be involved in Free software events subject to clearance from the mailing list. I think we have lost complete sight of the spirit and the symbiotic relationship ILUGC can have with companies like Baskar's in furthering the cause of FOSS. No wonder Baskar feels he is better off without involving ILUGC. This does not bode well for us as a group. We are not a formal group (formal groups will have a structure, representatation vide elected office bearers etc) to give clearances nor do we have any one vested with that authority in this group. -- Mohan Sundaram ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
Mohan Sundaram mohan@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:55 PM, A. Mani a.mani@gmail.com wrote: Further the member(s) in question should inform the list well in advance and obtain an implicit no objection certificate on the mailing list. Such thoughts in the context of what Baskar is doing boil down to being regimental and bordering on the ludicrous. b.If we talk about ILUGC in the event or had banner/any other material promoting ILUGC. In all other events it better to post to the list without 'on behalf ILUGC'. But ILUGC may be involved in Free software events subject to clearance from the mailing list. I think we have lost complete sight of the spirit and the symbiotic relationship ILUGC can have with companies like Baskar's in furthering the cause of FOSS. No wonder Baskar feels he is better off without involving ILUGC. This does not bode well for us as a group. We are not a formal group (formal groups will have a structure, representatation vide elected office bearers etc) to give clearances nor do we have any one vested with that authority in this group. I completely agree with you here. Thanks and Regards Noorul ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
Hi I think we have lost complete sight of the spirit and the symbiotic relationship ILUGC can have with companies like Baskar's in furthering the cause of FOSS. The following information was told to me by Railway Baskar (The railway Baskar, not the linuxpert baskar) Railway Baskar and Linux expert company did a workshop at Eswari Engg College. At later point of time, Railway Baskar was approached by the college to conduct a workshop and railway baskar took Raman to the college, this was objected by Linexpert Baskar because of his business Interest. (Raman and Railway Baskar please vouch for the authenticity of this information).The problem here i see is which hat does linux expert baskar wears, a volunteer of ilugc or a CEO. No wonder Baskar feels he is better off without involving ILUGC. We welcome it. He is entitled to have his own opinion. Do we need a clearance to conduct an event, I think the co-ordinator should take a call, My opinion is , it is better to have one. regards, Thyagarajan Shanmugham ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
Do we need a clearance to conduct an event, I think the co-ordinator should take a call, My opinion is , it is better to have one. My opinion is; On Behalf Of is a meaningless term. There is no need for any clearance since this meaningless term On Behalf Of can be removed. Without that meaningless term; anybody can post anything related to FOSS on this list. ILUGC members do not have any authority to clear or reject any FOSS related event by any member. ...KRS ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
The following information was told to me by Railway Baskar (The railway Baskar, not the linuxpert baskar) Railway Baskar and Linux expert company did a workshop at Eswari Engg College. Sorry for your misunderstanding. But that was not a workshop, but a complete three months commercial training program conducted for the students of MCA requested by the college management. And Mr. Baskar agreed for doing the training on commercial basis, ILUG-C or community activity did not involve here. At later point of time, Railway Baskar was approached by the college to conduct a workshop and railway baskar took Raman to the college, this was objected by Linexpert Baskar because of his business Interest. I have always given due credit for our ILUG-C members for their contribution in all the workshops organized in colleges. Kindly read through the last part of the interview. http://www.linuxforu.com/2011/09/baskar-selvaraj-interview-foss-power-in-170-tamil-college-labs/ Myself and Railway Baskar have jointly done many programs for the colleges in the years between 2008 and 2010. I have introduced many of our ILUG-C members to colleges during the workshop organized by LinuXpert Systems and they all have represented themselves as ILUG-C members and not as representatives of LinuXpert Systems. By the way, I also requested members to intimate me, if they get any enquiries from the same institutions, so that I would know about the event, but they did not. On some occasions when I was not reachable by colleges, the colleges have contacted the resource persons directly who were introduced by me and they approached the colleges independently and started doing programs. Nothing wrong here and I didn't make objections here because of business interest. My only question to them was, when they have been contacted directly by the colleges, atleast they would have left a message to me, when the same college again have requested for a workshop, so that I would have joined with them. But their thought was totally different, why to intimate me when they have been called directly. Would like to hear from Mr.Thiagarajan on this. S. Baskar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
Hi, Baskar, not the linuxpert baskar) Railway Baskar and Linux expert company did a workshop at Eswari Engg College. Sorry for your misunderstanding. But that was not a workshop, but a complete three months commercial training program conducted for the students of MCA requested by the college management. And Mr. Baskar agreed for doing the training on commercial basis, ILUG-C or community activity did not involve here. I was further told by Railway Baskar that you insisted for one such commercial exercise you asked Mr.Railway Baskar to put the event report as On behalf of ilugc which he flatly refused. Need Mr.Railway Baskar to confirm this message. This may sound very trivial and non sense to many as a issue. The silver lining between (a) ilugc event or in association event and (b) your companies activity is not known/visible. We request you to mention on behalf of ilugc to those event which is promoting foss inspirit of equal opportunity instead of you be operate on our behalf and you decide who is member to the party and who is not. regards, Thyagarajan Shanmugham ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
I dont mean that people dont like your posts. They just wanted the posts to come without the string on bahalf of ilugc as none of the ilugc members know how you contact the colleges and organize the events. You can directly say as on bahalf of linuxpert.in too. No harm in this. Please keep sending these mails as they show the activities happening in tamilnadu colleges. Thanks. -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My Life with GNU/Linux : http://goinggnu.wordpress.com Free E-Magazine on Free Open Source Software in Tamil : http://kaniyam.com Get CollabNet Subversion Edge : http://www.collab.net/svnedge ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.comwrote: I dont mean that people dont like your posts. They just wanted the posts to come without the string on bahalf of ilugc as none of the ilugc members know how you contact the colleges and organize the events. You can directly say as on bahalf of linuxpert.in too. No harm in this. Let us later decide which tagline to use, 'on behalf of ILUG-C', or 'on behalf of LinuXpert Systems'. I wish that, our community members understand that I am doing my activities in the true spirit of FOSS *as a member of this community* not as a *CEO of my company* promoting my business. Ok. I Will continue to post without any tags in future. S. Baskar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
They just wanted the posts to come without the string on bahalf of ilugc as none of the ilugc members know how you contact the colleges and organize the events. Earlier, this list received few requests for conducting guest lecture / workshop on FOSS in their respective colleges. As no one has responded or followed up, later they contacted me for the same to conduct in their colleges. NPR Arts and Science College, Dindigul http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2013-July/077626.html Care School of Engineering, Trichy http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2013-July/077404.html http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2013-July/077412.html http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2013-September/078052.html Would like to hear on the above either from the Co-ordinator or from the members. S. Baskar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
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On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM, balachandar muruganantham mbchan...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote: If some members dont want to hear, shouldnt it be decided by the community? may be take a vote. lets not define rules and regulations just to do define it. +1. Thanks Mohan L ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.comwrote: I dont mean that people dont like your posts. They just wanted the posts to come without the string on bahalf of ilugc as none of the ilugc members know how you contact the colleges and organize the events. who are they? This is a open group any one can join. Lets be transparent. You can directly say as on bahalf of linuxpert.in too. No harm in this. There is nothing harm in saying on behalf of ILUG-C. Baskar Selvaraj is a long time member. He does his contributions and promotions to FOSS in his own way. He can be benefited financially. but thats okay. Please keep sending these mails as they show the activities happening in tamilnadu colleges. This is a contradicting statement. I guess every time he does any activities, he should have mentioned ILUG-C and LinuXpert systems. so he is promoting ILUG-C in the colleges. isn't it good? Thanks. so if i am owner of a company and i am also member, and i wanted to conduct a event. shouldnt i say on behalf of ILUG-C? If it is not, then are we proprietory? is ILUGC copyrighted? it is like saying Indians are wining in cricket matches. so should we say we are not wining. it is bcci cricket members are wining? my suggestion to Baskar sir, you can and should and have all the freedom to say on behalf of ILUG-C. If some members dont want to hear, shouldnt it be decided by the community? may be take a vote. lets not define rules and regulations just to do define it. - balachandar muruganantham எனது தமிழ் பக்கங்கள் - http://www.balachandar.net/pakkangal தமிழ் புத்தக விற்பனை இணையம் - http://www.chennaishopping.com/ - 300ரூ மேல் உள்ள ஆர்டர்களுக்கு, இலவச சேர்க்கை. தமிழ்ச் சொல் திருத்தி - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tamil-spell-checker-for-firefo/ 2GB space + 20 GB B/W + cPanel, LAMP Hosting http://www.vazhangi.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
Hi If some members dont want to hear, shouldnt it be decided by the community? may be take a vote. lets not define rules and regulations just to do define it. how about taking this action item in the next meet?. regards, Thyagarajan Shanmugham On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Mohan L l.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM, balachandar muruganantham mbchan...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote: If some members dont want to hear, shouldnt it be decided by the community? may be take a vote. lets not define rules and regulations just to do define it. +1. Thanks Mohan L ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
Hi, Apologies for top posting. regards, Thyagarajan Shanmugham ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
I want to make several points on this topic: 1. The Free in FOSS stands for Freedom or Sudhandhiram; not Free as in Gratis or Ilavasam. As long as any of the 3000 members of this list post their thoughts, and those postings are related to Freedom providing software; I or nobody should have any objection. I argued this point with the late Kenneth Gonsalvez; and he suggested to put a Commercial tag; which in my opinion is redundant and nonsensical. 2. The Linux kernel is jointly developed by entities such as RedHat, IBM etc. all of which are commercial public companies, that exist to provide gains to shareholders. The employees from the companies routinely post on the Linux Kernel mailing list. They do not add [Commercial] tag to each and every post. I don't see why our Linux User Group mailing list should be any different. 3. The fact that Baskar is a long-time member of this list is not relevant to this discussion; the fact that he is talking about Freedom providing software is the only relevant point. 4 All postings in this list should serve a purpose to be relevant; sending reports of workshops 10 times a month, serves no useful purpose in my opinion. Rather, it can be posted that a workshop was conducted on so and so topic; and so and so were the agenda and activities therein. If somebody can conduct workshop on some relevant topics; they can post their capability even if they do or do not conduct workshops. Provided that this is done on occasion; this need not be construed as advertising. Evangelism is also advertising, and advertising skills on Freedom Software; even at a price; should be acceptable and encouraged on this list. The thread on a Facebook page for this list is also to advertise the existence of this list and its members; so advertising FOSS capabilities on this list is not evil. 5. If required, we can insist on Ad tag for such threads; and have a policy restricting the number of Ad posts to say 5 or 10 per month. In my opinion the Ad tag is not required; but if some people strongly feel; it can be insisted. There is no shame on posting Ads; in fact; only because of the postings I came to know of some people and their skills. ...KRS ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
Dear members, how about taking this action item in the next meet?. Not necessary. I wish to stay away from all these noices because of my regular posts in this list. As I was really worried about our education system going behind proprietary software, I took my very own initiative of promoting the value of FREE software in academics and will be doing that so for my lifetime. As my recent posts have produced a lot of noices within the community about my activities including me, I wish to stay away from this list for sometime. Any activities done by me (either for myself / my company / community / colleges benefit), I would rather post them in my own group were there are more than 1000+ members (mostly from academics) which I have built over years, whom I focus and also who understand me well and about my initiatives and keep supporting us all the time. Sorry for all the disturbances happened due to me. Let us stop this thread here. I will keep contributing to the community in my own way I think. Thanks for everyone who have supported me over the years. I will remain silent in this list, but won't be posting anything. S. Baskar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
[Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
Dear all, My sincere apologies for posting the FDP/Workshop Event Report mails in ILUG-C in the recent times. As I came to know through Mr.Shrinivasan, the members of the ILUG-C community were against the term 'on behalf of ILUG-C' used in my posts. As you all are aware that I have been a longtime member of this community actively promoting FOSS in academics since 2003. Apart from any commercial activities, I spend much of my time in promoting FOSS in colleges through FDP/Workshops. Our list has more than 3000 members as of now and we have more members from academic who is also watching this list. These members contact me directly requesting for Workshop/FDPs to conduct in their colleges (instead of posting them to list). Nearly 80% of my programs which I have done so far in colleges are also unpaid and I don't take any advantage of promoting my business activity through my programs (all colleges knows this truth very well). I am more involved in bringing the knowledge sharing culture through FOSS within the academic community. I do (and mainly) promote the community activities in all my programs and thought nothing wrong in using the term 'on behalf of ILUG-C' in my post. As I understand that many of the members sees my posting as a commercial activitiy promoting my company instead of a community activity. Once again my sincere apology for my all posts made in ILUG-C (related to FDP/Workshop events) and I would keep continue posting them in my own group 'linuxpert' in Freelists for those who wish to know/read them. They are archived at http://www.freelists.org/archive/linuxpert/ Regards S. Baskar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Baskar Selvaraj bas...@linuxpert.inwrote: Dear all, My sincere apologies for posting the FDP/Workshop Event Report mails in ILUG-C in the recent times. Do not understand the apology why ? As I came to know through Mr.Shrinivasan, the members of the ILUG-C community were against the term 'on behalf of ILUG-C' used in my posts. Who are they ? what contention's do they have to your actions, the commercial and non commercial is long lost argument , tell me when we are talking about sustainable development in every walk of life when you try to get some mileage out of the name and kind of work you do , i would rather applaud rather than frown upon. we as kids are taught to mistrust than to trust someone's actions , unless there are serious vilolations with proof of specific incidents againts you i do not think you are causing any harm to the so called ILUC-C community. Would like to hear from everyone on this list what is your take on this case ? As you all are aware that I have been a longtime mem o ber of this community actively promoting FOSS in academics since 2003. Apart from any commercial activities, I spend much of my time in promoting FOSS in colleges through FDP/Workshops. do what you think works , do not get distracted by fence sitters and people who waste much energy thinking of what could be your motives than help you with the cause. Our list has more than 3000 members as of now and we have more members from academic who is also watching this list. These members contact me directly requesting for Workshop/FDPs to conduct in their colleges (instead of posting them to list). Nearly 80% of my programs which I have done so far in colleges are also unpaid and I don't take any advantage of promoting my business activity through my programs (all colleges knows this truth very well). i would encourage this even if it is done , the only thing to watch for is keeping it transparent in terms of money , share whatever you get with the volunteers who turn up to help you . You build a community who believe in your vision and then soon you will not need any support from ILUG-C too :-) -Satya Satyaakam.net http://satyaakam.net/ | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:41 AM, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.comwrote: My sincere apologies for posting the FDP/Workshop Event Report mails in ILUG-C in the recent times. Do not understand the apology why ? I agree. No need for apology. Posting such events will a) coax more members -- especially new entrants to join you or spread the news about possibility of such events b) mentioning the name of the college and the concerned staff make them happy, and more so, induces other colleges to look for such events c) show cases the group activities As I came to know through Mr.Shrinivasan, the members of the ILUG-C community were against the term 'on behalf of ILUG-C' used in my posts. Possibly you or for that matter any institution/company could avoid using the term on behalf of ILUG-C. Technically, we are all encourage to evangelize/train, but not 'mandated'. The events are not discussed in the list and decided upon. Though I used to mention about ILUGC and mention the nearby FOSS groups in my talks, it was on behalf of NRCFOSS / AU-KBC/CDAC, as the case may be. Now that I am not officially engaged -- but still associated in their FOSS activities -- I have to be cautious while using the term. Personally speaking, I would like to see on behalf of ILUG-C -- may be, like FOSS development communities, we can have a core group -- members accepted on the basis of meritocracy contribution. Should definitely include the Coordinator (T. Shrinivasan, at present) and a few others. Kenneth would have teased me that Raman and Bharathi would have been my choices, and he would have been right. Continue your efforts and all the best. Srinivasan (ex) NRCFOSS/CDAC ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
On 16 September 2013 09:41, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Baskar Selvaraj bas...@linuxpert.in wrote: Dear all, My sincere apologies for posting the FDP/Workshop Event Report mails in ILUG-C in the recent times. Dear Baskar I am sad to see this. But then, your contribution is independent of any acknowledgement it receives from ilugc. Whether on behalf of or in spite of, please continue the good work. Probably it is a good idea for ilugc to decide what it stands for and articulate the do's and dont's. -- Asokan Pichai *---* We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal) *To find everything profound — that is an inconvenient trait.* It makes one strain one's eyes all the time, and in the end one finds more than one might have wished. -- Nietzsche ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Asokan Pichai paso...@gmail.com wrote: I am sad to see this. But then, your contribution is independent of any acknowledgement it receives from ilugc. Whether on behalf of or in spite of, please continue the good work. Probably it is a good idea for ilugc to decide what it stands for and articulate the do's and dont's. Most mailing lists discourage use of the list for promoting or marketing products to the list members and I do agree with them. The most prominent reasons being: a. Reducing spam. b. Objective of the list being sharing information and not to sell products. If I had seen LinExpert's notice in another list, I probably would have posted it here as it benefits and most importantly promotes FOSS. Will I be asked to stop this? If not, just the fact that Baskar is also a member is incidental. FOSS needs a lot of promotion from many quarters to be adopted. Conducting FOSS in colleges has a good cascading effect in promoting FOSS. If ILUGC had resources, it would have certainly done this. In the absence of such resources, some one else doing this as a commercial enterprise must be supported. If some folks have the problem with on behalf of ILUGC tagline, maybe they could suggest an alternative tagline. I think it will be in order that Baskar's efforts are endorsed in some form by ILUGC. -- Mohan Sundaram ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C
Hi , On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Baskar Selvaraj bas...@linuxpert.in wrote: Dear all, My sincere apologies for posting the FDP/Workshop Event Report mails in ILUG-C in the recent times. As I came to know through Mr.Shrinivasan, the members of the ILUG-C community were against the term 'on behalf of ILUG-C' used in my posts. Very sad to see this. Personally, I would prefer to see your mails on ilugc. It helps in letting a larger audience know that more colleges are moving towards FOSS. What's confusing me is, you are actually promoting ilugc by adding that tagline and so why should anyone object to this ? Sometimes, we should stop going by the book and look at what we stand for. We, as a group that encourages and promotes the use of free software in all walks of computing, should be supportive of people and organisations that promote this very cause. Baskar has been doing exactly that for so many years on practically a showstring budget. And, after doing the event on his own, at his own expense he has been kind enough to add the ilugc banner to the events. Let's be practical and thank him for all the good he has done. Thanks -- Thank you Balachandran Sivakumar Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached. - Swami Vivekananda Mail: benignb...@gmail.com Blog: http://benignbala.wordpress.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
