Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Sent from my iPod On Sep 3, 2011, at 13:59, sivakumar bharadhwaj calms...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mr. Senthil, Have we ever done (better) - when we are forced to do something with. Linux - have evolved (I feel) - not because of somebody forced us to use with ... - it was more of people wanting to do more, which they are not able to (or with more difficulty) some thing ... The scene in the mobile platform - where Nokia was giving only symbian (earlier), was not able to pull-off for more time. People buy Andoid phones because they can do more with it how many are knowing about android now (the users who are using it) Android - Linux connection. Nokia is not able to sell even though microsoft WindowsPhone is being packed along with Nokia - now a days - on high-end phones. When the Student is ready The teacher appears - an old and perennially truthfull statement. Instead of making this a complex issue, it would fetch excellent fruitfull results in the long run. That is what is prompting Ubuntu and all others giving this excellent OS free of cost, and making more efforts to reach people. Our concentration should be to reach more more people, instead of cramming something on their throat. Even if you install linux on the laptop, it is not sure that they will use Linux instead of Microsoft Windows. These students - who are getting educated in colleges / schools - are not dumb, but are made to join the crowd, and at this point of time, it is Microsoft Windows 7, and later 8, etc. If they perceive that Linux is 100 % rewarding for them in the long run they would certainly go for it. How many of us are really helping new people to get solutions in this forum without they getting hurt (no, I am not going to start a war), for their problems. It is still being perceived even by computer users who are more than 10 years of usage, feels that Linux is difficult, and 'getting help is very difficult'. It is this perceived thing that should be taken care off. To make this Linux more interesting, we should organise for people to get trained : Freely of course, Languages like C, etc, and every month simple competitions should be organised in localities, and taking them into State Level (Imagine IPL's Success). Organising a competition - say for 20 people, in basics, database, GIMP, etc should not be difficult - say after 3 months of coaching. A person who is 12 to 18 year old feel much satisfied with a certificate from a body like ILUGC, etc. The competition can be every 2 months, in each place. This will make people / students / parents to encourage people to even think about Linux. we can always find sponsors for these sort of events - in every place. I am trying to do something in mumbai, very shortly. My simple 2 paise (which now has no meaning / worth) with warm regards s.sivakumar mumbai 98200 10728 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
From: kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com To: ilugc@ae.iitm.ac.in Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 10:47 +0530, K.P. Senthil Kumar wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Chandan Gupta gupta.chand...@gmail.comwrote: I just wrote a blog post about it :) http://www.linuxcandy.com/2011/09/minister-for-it-tamil-nadu-clarifies.html Thanks for those IIT Students which IIT students? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Read the link. You will be clarified. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 11:44 +0530, R Rajendhran wrote: Thanks for those IIT Students which IIT students? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Read the link. You will be clarified. not clarified - I do not see anything to show that this was the work of IIT students - credit goes to FSFTN and also a bit to ILUGC (since we meet at IIT, this may have led to the confusion) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On 5 September 2011 10:47, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: which IIT students? quote from the first comment Srujan Kumar Executive Committee Member, FSFTN IIT Madras What you have put up is great news. However, this decision has not been made just because some IIT students intervened but as a result of a two-month long campaign in which the Free Software Foundation, Tamil Nadu organised signature campaigns, met IAS officers and the Minister and worked closely with the media. This, i think would be evident from the fact that the article in The Hindu which first raised the issue has references to FSFTN's work on the issue. See.. http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnadu/article2419753.ece Also, see.. http://www.hindu.com/2011/06/26/stories/2011062662590400.htm FSFTN has students from IIT and also a larger group of professionals and students from outside. Our first step in this campaign was.. http://www.fsftn.org/tn-students-laptop-petition and more recently.. http://fsftn.org/content/we-condemn-act-removing-free-software-latest-tender-free-laptop-scheme /quote Interesting ! Going to BOSS is a good move , atleast a public funded distribution is going for some public initiative aka getting used . BOSS team needs to ensure that 1 .The distribution quality is maintained 2. All the hardware is supported out of the box . 3. Load the distribution with software which is really essential . 4. Make sure that they train some groups and make them test the distribution. 5. *listen* to feedback from community(debian , local ILUGC ) and try to work towards making it more community oriented . Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri http://look-pavi.blogspot.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Dear Chandan, On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:47 AM, K.P. Senthil Kumar sekumar...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Chandan Gupta gupta.chand...@gmail.comwrote: I just wrote a blog post about it :) http://www.linuxcandy.com/2011/09/minister-for-it-tamil-nadu-clarifies.html I read your blog. Thank you for spreading the news, However there are some facts those are missing in your post. I have put a detailed comment on it. Kindly have a look at it. Regards, Srujan. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:27 PM, srujan kumar srujankuma...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Chandan, On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:47 AM, K.P. Senthil Kumar sekumar...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Chandan Gupta gupta.chand...@gmail.com wrote: I just wrote a blog post about it :) http://www.linuxcandy.com/2011/09/minister-for-it-tamil-nadu-clarifies.html I read your blog. Thank you for spreading the news, However there are some facts those are missing in your post. I have put a detailed comment on it. Kindly have a look at it. Thank you for the corrections and updated informations. I have updated the post with missing informations. Apologizes for the missing information. We shall do a good research before posting such news in future. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Raman.P raam...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Today's The Hindu carries clarification by the Minister for IT, TN has clarified that the laptops will be loaded with BOSS by ELCOT itself. I think all of us should be happy. Raman.P blog:http://ramanchennai.wordpress.com/ No reason to be really happy.. knowing well that a huge amount of tax-payer money is going to be forwarded to Microsoft's coffers. Did ELCOT at least try to cut a deal with Microsoft to get free/subsidised academic licences instead of paying for them at market prices? I am curious to know if the Govt would also provide free Internet access to the students. If not, many would not afford to have access to Internet at all. That would also mean when they use windows, the antivirus software will not receive updates but the laptops will receive a steady supply of malware through the flash drives they share. Regards, Kumaraguru ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
I am curious to know if the Govt would also provide free Internet access to the students. If not, many would not afford to have access to Internet at all. That would also mean when they use windows, the antivirus software will not receive updates but the laptops will receive a steady supply of malware through the flash drives they share. +1 Good thought! Thanks for sharing your views. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 10:47 +0530, K.P. Senthil Kumar wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Chandan Gupta gupta.chand...@gmail.comwrote: I just wrote a blog post about it :) http://www.linuxcandy.com/2011/09/minister-for-it-tamil-nadu-clarifies.html Thanks for those IIT Students which IIT students? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Dear Mr. Senthil, Have we ever done (better) - when we are forced to do something with. Linux - have evolved (I feel) - not because of somebody forced us to use with ... - it was more of people wanting to do more, which they are not able to (or with more difficulty) some thing ... The scene in the mobile platform - where Nokia was giving only symbian (earlier), was not able to pull-off for more time. People buy Andoid phones because they can do more with it how many are knowing about android now (the users who are using it) Android - Linux connection. Nokia is not able to sell even though microsoft WindowsPhone is being packed along with Nokia - now a days - on high-end phones. When the Student is ready The teacher appears - an old and perennially truthfull statement. Instead of making this a complex issue, it would fetch excellent fruitfull results in the long run. That is what is prompting Ubuntu and all others giving this excellent OS free of cost, and making more efforts to reach people. Our concentration should be to reach more more people, instead of cramming something on their throat. Even if you install linux on the laptop, it is not sure that they will use Linux instead of Microsoft Windows. These students - who are getting educated in colleges / schools - are not dumb, but are made to join the crowd, and at this point of time, it is Microsoft Windows 7, and later 8, etc. If they perceive that Linux is 100 % rewarding for them in the long run they would certainly go for it. How many of us are really helping new people to get solutions in this forum without they getting hurt (no, I am not going to start a war), for their problems. It is still being perceived even by computer users who are more than 10 years of usage, feels that Linux is difficult, and 'getting help is very difficult'. It is this perceived thing that should be taken care off. To make this Linux more interesting, we should organise for people to get trained : Freely of course, Languages like C, etc, and every month simple competitions should be organised in localities, and taking them into State Level (Imagine IPL's Success). Organising a competition - say for 20 people, in basics, database, GIMP, etc should not be difficult - say after 3 months of coaching. A person who is 12 to 18 year old feel much satisfied with a certificate from a body like ILUGC, etc. The competition can be every 2 months, in each place. This will make people / students / parents to encourage people to even think about Linux. we can always find sponsors for these sort of events - in every place. I am trying to do something in mumbai, very shortly. My simple 2 paise (which now has no meaning / worth) with warm regards s.sivakumar mumbai 98200 10728 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Our discussions are crap till we reach out to the right people. I.e., how many people contacted the right people specified in the first few emails in the same thread On Sep 3, 2011 12:22 AM, K.P. Senthil Kumar sekumar...@gmail.com wrote: The sufferer is the students I think the sufferer will comprise Students, Common man by paying more taxes ( in some way or other) , and more importantly the Linux. Why linux will suffer? It is due to the Windows comfort the students get. Since they are comfortable with one OS then they reject Linux even it is a better system. How many of us still use word, ppt, even though we have openoffice which is equal/better than MS office. My opinion is, if students get's one OS, let's say Linux and they are forced( yes) to use and learn Linux and Linux oriented applications like openoffice etc. Majority over the period will be fan and followers of Linux and supported applications than Windows. MS did the same in the 90's This would be good for FOSS Community as more Students would come in. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender [off topic]
[off topic - DO not read if you are easily offended] This 90 crore might be well spend on starving kids and kids who require medical care God forbid, What would have happened if our parents had invested all their money for OUR future health care instead of education and deprived us of our IIT or BITS pilani or BE education !! citing our health reasons ! Can I say that health care is more important than education ? NO In reality sometimes people starve themselves to get educated. Why ? Empowering the masses by giving them access to information (translates to free laptop and internet) directly helps in alleviating the poor and downtrodden. So let the govt release the laptops to these poor kids and once they start using it, browse the internet etc they will switch over to whatever o/s they feel like. SO first let them get the damn laptops ! How many of us can say that they were born with linux ? I for one ,worked on windows initially before switching over to linux. I would like to mention the remarks of my neighbour the other day. Our children also will have laptops their children also will have laptops how can we allow this ?? I rest my case Chris ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender [off topic]
This 90 crore might be well spend on starving kids and kids who require medical care God forbid, What would have happened if our parents had invested all their money for OUR future health care instead of education and deprived us of our IIT or BITS pilani or BE education !! citing our health reasons ! Well for one, my parents were not as poor as the government and they could invest on my health and my future education. Also if I had a sibling who had a major health issue and my parents required the money they had to treat the other child, I would have not got my great education and I would have accepted it with all humility. Can I say that health care is more important than education ? NO Well I differ! Health care IS more important than education! I feel more sorry for a dying child than ever care about a child getting education In reality sometimes people starve themselves to get educated. Why ? Education is not about laptops. Did Dr.Abdul Kalam have a laptop when he was kid? Empowering the masses by giving them access to information (translates to free laptop and internet) directly helps in alleviating the poor and downtrodden. Yes I agree on the point of empowering with information. But at what cost? Kids I know hardly ever use their computers for getting empowered. They typically use it play games, enjoy social networking, stream videos and as a huge juke box of songs and videos. I don't want my tax money to be used for this. I would like to mention the remarks of my neighbour the other day. Our children also will have laptops their children also will have laptops how can we allow this ?? I rest my case How is this relevant to my post or any? Anyways, see, this also adds to my case. We as a society is this immature, dumb and class conscious. Let's remove all of these and spend money on these. Regards, Arun ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender [off topic]
Yes the dying child will be saved but that child will still be one notch down in the society when compared to other so called elite children who were fortunate to have parents who could afford both health care and education. Anyways, see, this also adds to my case. We as a society is this immature, dumb and class conscious. Let's remove all of these and spend money on these. Good point. Yes and that is exactly being done now with the laptops and etc and some forces are bent on stopping the reforms and that makes me sad. Yes I agree on the point of empowering with information. But at what cost? Kids I know hardly ever use their computers for getting empowered. They typically use it play games, enjoy social networking, stream videos and as a .huge juke box of songs and videos. I don't want my tax money to be used for .this. And you know kids use it for browsing wikipedia too nowadays. So do you want to deprive those genuine kids too? Education is not about laptops. Did Dr.Abdul Kalam have a laptop when he was kid? Times change. I used to go to British council earlier for all the information not computers or laptops. But nowadays show me one college student without a laptop/computer ? It has become a necessity of life. Chris ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand this However we did not feel that he can amend the decision., Do you mean, He cannot amend the tender, because he is not behind the tender or as he cannot amend it as it has been already out? After all they ended up amending the tender silently, my theory is that they are twisting and turning the tender to favour someone who cannot or don't want provide Linux compatible PCs. It would be interesting see who is going to win the tender! It is better to write to the communist party and inform them what is going on! http://www.tncpim.org/?q=contact http://www.tncpim.org/?q=node/5 -- Arun S.A.G http://zer0c00l.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Just curious: Why is Red Hat not raising a hue and cry over this? After all they are a commercial entity and they are an adversely affected party! They also have the experience and clout in lobbying! regds, mano ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
In today's paper, there is an article on the same, although it claims the change is due to a price difference, -- http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnadu/article2419753.ece The plan to install Linux (Tamil) software has been scrapped, as per the new proposal. “We wanted the price to be as competitive as possible, and the installation of open source software was costing us Rs.100 more a machine,” said a top official in the IT Department. -- Is it possible that the service/support cost for linux is more expensive when compared to windows ? since there are a large no. of technicians who provide support for windows. I wonder why the high price. Although, they do mention that the laptops will have open office and other Tamil softwares, so that is a plus. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Government's policy can be challenged in Courts. Recently, the hon'ble Supreme Court issued notice to TN Govt on the freebies as promised in the election manifesto. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/sc-notice-to-cag-ec-centre-jayalalitha-on-freebies-row/articleshow/9839279.cms The judgement has come in this case in favour of the govt. Please do not misguide. or is this a joke?.. The above link mentions clearly that the Hon'ble Court issued noticed just yesterday. How come the Court went infavour of Govt? 2 Sep, 2011, 09.46PM IST, PTI The bench passed the directions on a petition filed by a Tamil Nadu Bar advocate S Subramaniam Balaji seeking transfer of the writ petition filed on the issue by him in the Madras High Courthttp://economictimes.indiatimes.com/search.cms?query=Madras%20High%20Courtsince another petition relating to the distribution of free colour television sets by the previous DMK government was pending in the apex court. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Sep 3, 2011 11:23 AM, Arun Venkataswamy arun...@gmail.com wrote: I hope the courts help in pulling out this entire thing of free laptops. +1 There's all probability that a vast majority of these laptops will end up being used for totally unrelated purposes - games, music, movies, and porn. I'm sure the government can come up with a cheaper and more effective plan to educate our children - hiring and training better teachers, improving school infrastructure and syllabus. -Raja ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Sat, 2011-09-03 at 16:23 +0530, Raja Subramanian wrote: There's all probability that a vast majority of these laptops will end up being used for totally unrelated purposes - games, music, movies, and porn. it is through these 4 purposes that people become computer literate. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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FSFTN condemns Govt move to drop FOSS operating system from the free laptops. Please read http://fsftn.org/content/we-condemn-act-removing-free-software-latest-tender-free-laptop-scheme -- Thank you, Shanu S Sukoor - Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Saturday 03 September 2011 04:23 PM, Raja Subramanian wrote: On Sep 3, 2011 11:23 AM, Arun Venkataswamyarun...@gmail.com wrote: I hope the courts help in pulling out this entire thing of free laptops. +1 There's all probability that a vast majority of these laptops will end up being used for totally unrelated purposes - games, music, movies, and porn. Most likely they will be resold. Imagine my surprise when I saw TN govt-supplied tv set at a relative's place in Hyderabad. When I asked him about it, he said something like, oh, I went to TN on an assignment, and somebody who works on the (construction) site sold it to me for 2k. I guess that's the fate of most PDS-supplied rations too. Vamsee. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On 03-09-2011 16:31, kenneth gonsalves wrote: On Sat, 2011-09-03 at 16:23 +0530, Raja Subramanian wrote: There's all probability that a vast majority of these laptops will end up being used for totally unrelated purposes - games, music, movies, and porn. it is through these 4 purposes that people become computer literate. +1 Fantastic. You nailed it. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Today's The Hindu carries clarification by the Minister for IT, TN has clarified that the laptops will be loaded with BOSS by ELCOT itself. I think all of us should be happy. Raman.P blog:http://ramanchennai.wordpress.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Raman.P raam...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Today's The Hindu carries clarification by the Minister for IT, TN has clarified that the laptops will be loaded with BOSS by ELCOT itself. I think all of us should be happy. http://www.thehindu.com/education/issues/article2423376.ece -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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I just wrote a blog post about it :) http://www.linuxcandy.com/2011/09/minister-for-it-tamil-nadu-clarifies.html On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Raman.P raam...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Today's The Hindu carries clarification by the Minister for IT, TN has clarified that the laptops will be loaded with BOSS by ELCOT itself. I think all of us should be happy. http://www.thehindu.com/education/issues/article2423376.ece -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Happy to hear Off from home On Sep 3, 2011 11:05 PM, Raman.P raam...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Today's The Hindu carries clarification by the Minister for IT, TN has clarified that the laptops will be loaded with BOSS by ELCOT itself. I think all of us should be happy. Raman.P blog:http://ramanchennai.wordpress.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Chandan Gupta gupta.chand...@gmail.comwrote: I just wrote a blog post about it :) http://www.linuxcandy.com/2011/09/minister-for-it-tamil-nadu-clarifies.html Thanks for those IIT Students others who made this to happen.Without your efforts this would not have been possible. Thanks agian. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Dr. Santosh Babu is now IT Secretary. FSFTN team had a detailed discussion with him when the previous tender was released. He seems to u9nderstand the depth of issue. However we did not feel that he can amend the decision. we had handed over a detailed document explaining the advantages siting the advantages IT@school has provided provided to Kerala kids -- Thank you, Shanu S Sukoor - Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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FSFTN team had a detailed discussion with him when the previous tender was released. He seems to u9nderstand the depth of issue. However we did not feel that he can amend the decision. I think Courts can look in to the issue and amend as appropriate. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Usually the Communist party understands these issues better. Perhaps making a representation to Nallakannu would help!! ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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I think Courts can look in to the issue and amend as appropriate. I am not sure whether this can be challenged in court. This is a policy issue of the government. -- Thank you, Shanu S Sukoor - Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Shanu shan...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure whether this can be challenged in court. This is a policy issue of the government. May be under some clause like this is not a proper tender since it blocked all but one company to begin with? -- அகிலன் (Akilan R) [ blog.akilan.in ] *I should have no use for a paradise in which I should be deprived of the right to prefer hell.* --Jean Rostand ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
I am not sure whether this can be challenged in court. This is a policy issue of the government. - Government's policy can be challenged in Courts. Recently, the hon'ble Supreme Court issued notice to TN Govt on the freebies as promised in the election manifesto. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/sc-notice-to-cag-ec-centre-jayalalitha-on-freebies-row/articleshow/9839279.cms ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Sir(s), I feel the one thing that can happen by challenging through court is : this tender gets delayed for atleast 6 months. I think this will help the government - particularly the C.M. of TN, since she can get more time on this Freebie, and can escape (not necessarily 'escape' ) but can get a fair breather. Also they can cite this as an example, and delay others too. The sufferer is the students (and also to a certain extent - the tax payers, in the long run, if the govt. chooses to go only with proprietary software). It would be definetely better to do something like our Linexpert Systems - Mr. Bhaskar - where we could educate more on this to the actual users - who if they find this better, can always install Linux later, and inform the govt, for the next lot to change the specs. my two paise. with warm regards s.sivakumar mumbai 98200 10728 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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The sufferer is the students It would be definetely better to do something like our Linexpert Systems - Mr. Bhaskar - where we could educate more on this to the actual users - who if they find this better, can always install Linux later, and inform the govt, for the next lot to change the specs. + 1 for this idea. I agree with the above. Chris ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Shanu shan...@gmail.com wrote: FSFTN team had a detailed discussion with him when the previous tender was released. He seems to u9nderstand the depth of issue. However we did not feel that he can amend the decision. I don't understand this However we did not feel that he can amend the decision., Do you mean, He cannot amend the tender, because he is not behind the tender or as he cannot amend it as it has been already out? -- Arun S.A.G http://zer0c00l.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
--- On Sat, 3/9/11, Akilan R akila...@gmail.com wrote: From: Akilan R akila...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender To: ILUG-C ilugc@ae.iitm.ac.in Date: Saturday, 3 September, 2011, 9:43 AM On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Shanu shan...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure whether this can be challenged in court. This is a policy issue of the government. May be under some clause like this is not a proper tender since it blocked all but one company to begin with? It is little tricky. Tendering is about how many suppliers/quotations you get and not about how many manufactures. I have raised this in my office(off course no use, falls on deaf ear). Normally specification should not have brand name. In case it has what is called Proprietary Article Certifcate (PAC) should be issued. PAC means the person drawing specification certifys that there is only one brand that is suitable for the present purpose. In the present case since syllabus has Windows they can justify inclusion of the same. And we are justified in requesting Linux, by the same logic as Linux is also part of the syllabus. Raman.P blog:http://ramanchennai.wordpress.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Shanu shan...@gmail.com wrote: FSFTN team had a detailed discussion with him when the previous tender was released. He seems to u9nderstand the depth of issue. However we did not feel that he can amend the decision. I don't understand this However we did not feel that he can amend the decision., Do you mean, He cannot amend the tender, because he is not behind the tender or as he cannot amend it as it has been already out? -- Arun S.A.G http://zer0c00l.in/ What a complete disappointment! I thought it was a good compromise to provide a multi-boot option but now they've removed Linux completely out of the spec. The question now is, are the students allowed to install Linux on their own or will it void the warranty and support? If they are not allowed to do so, they should at least be allowed to run Linux on VirtualBox. Will it be possible for them to at least pre-install, say, VirtualBox and a Ubuntu VM image on these laptops? Regards, Kumaraguru ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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The sufferer is the students I think the sufferer will comprise Students, Common man by paying more taxes ( in some way or other) , and more importantly the Linux. Why linux will suffer? It is due to the Windows comfort the students get. Since they are comfortable with one OS then they reject Linux even it is a better system. How many of us still use word, ppt, even though we have openoffice which is equal/better than MS office. My opinion is, if students get's one OS, let's say Linux and they are forced( yes) to use and learn Linux and Linux oriented applications like openoffice etc. Majority over the period will be fan and followers of Linux and supported applications than Windows. MS did the same in the 90's This would be good for FOSS Community as more Students would come in. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Government's policy can be challenged in Courts. Recently, the hon'ble Supreme Court issued notice to TN Govt on the freebies as promised in the election manifesto. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/sc-notice-to-cag-ec-centre-jayalalitha-on-freebies-row/articleshow/9839279.cms The judgement has come in this case in favour of the govt. ___ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 10:51 AM, K.P. Senthil Kumar sekumar...@gmail.comwrote: forced( yes) to use and learn Linux and Linux oriented applications like openoffice etc. Majority over the period will be fan and followers of Linux and supported applications than Windows. Any kind of coercion is wrong. Remember what happened to Hindi in our state? Regards, Arun ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: Do you not feel that your tax money is spent towards Linux in that case ? ( or well, more onto open source ) rather than contributing it all into the select pockets of specific vendors [Off Topic] [and nothing personal to the above quote] I hope the courts help in pulling out this entire thing of free laptops. Windows, Linux, Microsoft and Bill gates are irrelevant to hungry children. This 90 crore might be well spend on starving kids and kids who require medical care. I hope our politicians get their priority right. We as a country are not there yet to enjoy these kind of luxuries. Regards, Arun ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Dear Mr. Senthil, Have we ever done (better) - when we are forced to do something with. Linux - have evolved (I feel) - not because of somebody forced us to use with ... - it was more of people wanting to do more, which they are not able to (or with more difficulty) some thing ... The scene in the mobile platform - where Nokia was giving only symbian (earlier), was not able to pull-off for more time. People buy Andoid phones because they can do more with it how many are knowing about android now (the users who are using it) Android - Linux connection. Nokia is not able to sell even though microsoft WindowsPhone is being packed along with Nokia - now a days - on high-end phones. When the Student is ready The teacher appears - an old and perennially truthfull statement. Instead of making this a complex issue, it would fetch excellent fruitfull results in the long run. That is what is prompting Ubuntu and all others giving this excellent OS free of cost, and making more efforts to reach people. Our concentration should be to reach more more people, instead of cramming something on their throat. Even if you install linux on the laptop, it is not sure that they will use Linux instead of Microsoft Windows. These students - who are getting educated in colleges / schools - are not dumb, but are made to join the crowd, and at this point of time, it is Microsoft Windows 7, and later 8, etc. If they perceive that Linux is 100 % rewarding for them in the long run they would certainly go for it. How many of us are really helping new people to get solutions in this forum without they getting hurt (no, I am not going to start a war), for their problems. It is still being perceived even by computer users who are more than 10 years of usage, feels that Linux is difficult, and 'getting help is very difficult'. It is this perceived thing that should be taken care off. To make this Linux more interesting, we should organise for people to get trained : Freely of course, Languages like C, etc, and every month simple competitions should be organised in localities, and taking them into State Level (Imagine IPL's Success). Organising a competition - say for 20 people, in basics, database, GIMP, etc should not be difficult - say after 3 months of coaching. A person who is 12 to 18 year old feel much satisfied with a certificate from a body like ILUGC, etc. The competition can be every 2 months, in each place. This will make people / students / parents to encourage people to even think about Linux. we can always find sponsors for these sort of events - in every place. I am trying to do something in mumbai, very shortly. My simple 2 paise (which now has no meaning / worth) with warm regards s.sivakumar mumbai 98200 10728 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On 08/31/2011 06:33 PM, Krishnan Sethuraman wrote: Hi I feel we should concentrate more Linux than on Govt's stand. Do you not feel that your tax money is spent towards Linux in that case ? ( or well, more onto open source ) rather than contributing it all into the select pockets of specific vendors - KB ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/8/31 రహ్మానుద్దీన్ షేక్ nani1o...@gmail.com Can we do anything for this? http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc Yes, You can send an email to Dr. Santhosh babu IAS chairman of ELCOT. The contact numbers and email addresses are here in this document http://elcot.in/pdf/ELCOT%20RTI%20ACT%202005.pdf feel free :-) Dr. Santosh Babu is now IT Secretary. Srinivasan. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Hi, According to http://www.muktware.com/news/2382 , TN Govt has scrapped the old tender and issued a new tender to buy only Microsoft products. -- Arun S.A.G http://zer0c00l.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
Can we do anything for this? On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, According to http://www.muktware.com/news/2382 , TN Govt has scrapped the old tender and issued a new tender to buy only Microsoft products. -- Arun S.A.G http://zer0c00l.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- Rahimanuddin Shaik నాని ॥రామానుజార్య దివ్యాజ్ఞాం వర్ధతామభివర్ధతాం॥ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: According to http://www.muktware.com/news/2382 , TN Govt has scrapped the old tender and issued a new tender to buy only Microsoft products. Too bad. Also a close reading shows that not only they removed Linux dual boot, but the words starter edition(cheapest windows product) also is missing in new tender. Now it simply says Windows. -- அகிலன் (Akilan R) [ blog.akilan.in ] *I should have no use for a paradise in which I should be deprived of the right to prefer hell.* --Jean Rostand ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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2011/8/31 రహ్మానుద్దీన్ షేక్ nani1o...@gmail.com Can we do anything for this? http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc Yes, You can send an email to Dr. Santhosh babu IAS chairman of ELCOT. The contact numbers and email addresses are here in this document http://elcot.in/pdf/ELCOT%20RTI%20ACT%202005.pdf feel free :-) -- Arun S.A.G http://zer0c00l.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Also I hope you already know about these avenues for redressal http://rti.india.gov.in/rti_direct_complaint_lodging.php http://pgportal.gov.in/Grievance.aspx You can be as anonymous or as detailed as you want Chris ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says No to Linux - issues new tender
TN Govt has scrapped the old tender and issued a new tender to buy only Microsoft products. Surprising to note that ELCOT promotes Open Source. http://www.elcot.in/open_source.php . Why Elcot changed their stance of using Dual boot OS to Windows only may have other reasons apart from the Curruption as alleged. We need to find out the real reasons. Is there anyone in the group who have connection with Elcot to find it? ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Hi I feel we should concentrate more Linux than on Govt's stand. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:12 PM, K.P. Senthil Kumar sekumar...@gmail.comwrote: TN Govt has scrapped the old tender and issued a new tender to buy only Microsoft products. Surprising to note that ELCOT promotes Open Source. http://www.elcot.in/open_source.php . Why Elcot changed their stance of using Dual boot OS to Windows only may have other reasons apart from the Curruption as alleged. We need to find out the real reasons. Is there anyone in the group who have connection with Elcot to find it? ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- Thanks and Regards, Krishnan.S, Mobile: +91 9600067104. Email: krishnan.ubu...@gmail.com krishblogs.com @iam_krishnan http://twitter.com/iam_krishnan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
