Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?

2008-04-30 Thread Sudev Barar
2008/4/29 Yashpal Nagar [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
   An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue:
  
   We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under
   process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using
   Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us.

Sometimes showing the stick has better results than using it.

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Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there.

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Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?

2008-04-30 Thread Anupam Jain
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Manish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Manish wrote:
 I have been following up with IDBI bank on the same issue for past few
 weeks (they move slower than frozen molasses going uphill).  They were
 told about Hall of Shame and their entry there.  I am getting nowhere
 with them and am considering moving to AXIS bank.  Here's the latest
 correspondance.

  An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue:

  We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under
  process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using
  Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us.

  :)

Goes to show good intentions on the part of the bank, they actually
want to retain customers and are open to feedback. Assuming this is
the case with most organisations, I wish more Linux users would
complain when things don't work with free software. Complaining really
does work!

gyan
Reminds me of my college days when instead of using Matlab, I made it
a point to do all my assignments in Octave and explicitly print
*Generated using Octave* on every single graph I submitted. I'm not
sure if I brought about a big change but atleast I had fun explaining
what Octave is to people :)

Passive Resistance is the key to all problems. It is not possible to
bring about change by compromising (using Wine/ie4Linux/Dual-booting
etc.). Make the effort on behalf of all Linux users and keep fighting
the good fight.
/gyan

 :)

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Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?

2008-04-30 Thread Roshan
--- Anupam Jain wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Manish wrote:

   An encouraging update from IDBI on the above
 issue:
 
   We wish to inform you that the necessary
 rectification is under
   process and you can log in to your Internet
 Banking account using
   Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with
 us.

Hope, they'll slowly learn to spell Firefox correctly
(note the typo: Firfox). Actually, they need not make
changes for a browser, but, for ensuring that their
websites and web-apps adhere to web standards. 

 gyan
 Reminds me of my college days when instead of using
 Matlab, I made it
 a point to do all my assignments in Octave and
 explicitly print
 *Generated using Octave* on every single graph I
 submitted. I'm not
 sure if I brought about a big change but atleast I
 had fun explaining
 what Octave is to people :)

Much Appreciated! I'm curious to know if it was on
Windows or under some Linux distro. 

[snip]...

 /gyan


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Re: [ilugd] Compilation Errors: Missing Package??

2008-04-30 Thread Gora Mohanty
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:10:41 +0530
Mayank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Anand Shankar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
[...]
  While compiling tar.gz source files, I get some very basic errors. I
  am wondering which packages am I missing:
  The last few lines of the error log below shows I am missing stdio.h.
  Now thats very basic!!!
[...]
 Hi,
 It seems either you don't have glibc-headers installed on your machine
 (install/re-install it) or you've glibc-headers at some unusual place. Try
 to find location of stdio.h on your machine. If it's not /usr/include then
 try to install/re-install the glibc-headers package. It should help you out.
[...]

For the record, the equivalent package on Ubuntu, and presumably Debian
is libc6-dev. I completely agree that it is a pain that gcc, and/or
the C library development package does not automatically install this.

Regards,
Gora

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Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?

2008-04-30 Thread Puneet Lakhina
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Roshan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- Anupam Jain wrote:

  On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Manish wrote:

An encouraging update from IDBI on the above
  issue:
  
We wish to inform you that the necessary
  rectification is under
process and you can log in to your Internet
  Banking account using
Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with
  us.

 Hope, they'll slowly learn to spell Firefox correctly
 (note the typo: Firfox). Actually, they need not make
 changes for a browser, but, for ensuring that their
 websites and web-apps adhere to web standards.


I read this a lot, should adhere to web standards. What are and where are
these standards?The simplest case, take the XMLHttpRquest object in
javascript. There isnt a standard way of obtaining it. Layout related things
have issues between open source browsers itself.

Ofcourse there are toolkits such as dojo which make it easier for you, but
they are also just acknowledging the lack of standards in the web browser
world, and doing the hardpart for you.

Hence as of now, all websites have to understand what browsers theyl
support.


  gyan
  Reminds me of my college days when instead of using
  Matlab, I made it
  a point to do all my assignments in Octave and
  explicitly print
  *Generated using Octave* on every single graph I
  submitted. I'm not
  sure if I brought about a big change but atleast I
  had fun explaining
  what Octave is to people :)

 Much Appreciated! I'm curious to know if it was on
 Windows or under some Linux distro.

 [snip]...

  /gyan


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Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?

2008-04-30 Thread Manish
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 2008/4/29 Yashpal Nagar [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   
 An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue:

 We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under
 process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using
 Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us.

  Sometimes showing the stick has better results than using it.


I guess.  Let's wait and watch for 10 days. :)

-- Manish

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Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?

2008-04-30 Thread Manish
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Anupam Jain wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Manish wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Manish wrote:
   I have been following up with IDBI bank on the same issue for past few
   weeks (they move slower than frozen molasses going uphill).  They were
   told about Hall of Shame and their entry there.  I am getting nowhere
   with them and am considering moving to AXIS bank.  Here's the latest
   correspondance.
  
An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue:
  
We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under
process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using
Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us.
  
:)

  Goes to show good intentions on the part of the bank, they actually
  want to retain customers and are open to feedback. Assuming this is
  the case with most organisations, I wish more Linux users would
  complain when things don't work with free software. Complaining really
  does work!


Possibly.  But they sent this response only after I had had enough
(approx. 3 months) and my language and tone showed that I was at the
end of the line and told them that I will kill my account within next
week.

  gyan
  Reminds me of my college days when instead of using Matlab, I made it
  a point to do all my assignments in Octave and explicitly print
  *Generated using Octave* on every single graph I submitted. I'm not
  sure if I brought about a big change but atleast I had fun explaining
  what Octave is to people :)

:)  I am making lots of official reports using PDFLatex now, not
(just) because it's cool but also because MS Word was sucking life out
of me.  Emacs and LaTeX have really made it lots of things easy for
me.

  Passive Resistance is the key to all problems. It is not possible to
  bring about change by compromising (using Wine/ie4Linux/Dual-booting
  etc.). Make the effort on behalf of all Linux users and keep fighting
  the good fight.
  /gyan

   :)

Absolutely.  I have started discussions/debate with Lenovo starting
this afternoon to see if I can reclaim M$ tax (Vista Business).  I am
not against their installing the OS but not giving me a choice to buy
the computer with an alternate or no OS.  It's not for them to decide
what software I am going to run on my computer.  I'm writing this
email from the same laptop using Ubuntu 8.04.

Let's see how it goes.  I hope I have enough patience.

-- Manish

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Re: [ilugd] Advice on buying a laptop and reclaiming M$ tax

2008-04-30 Thread Manish
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Manish  wrote:

   I am on the lookout for a laptop that plays nice with Linux and have
  zeroed in on three choices: Lenovo Thinkpad R61 [1], Dell XPS M1330
  [2] and Sony Vaio CR [3].  I am not sure how compatible they are with
  Debian.  Some web-search does suggest that almost all of them can be
  made to work but I would appreciate advice from the real world as
  well.

Thanks to everyone who responded.  I have purchased Thinkpad R61, for
better or worse.  Keyboard light, trackpoint, excellent keyboard and
solid construction swayed me.  Sending this email from Ubuntu 8.04
Live CD.  Still wondering if I should install Ubuntu or Debian.  I do
not want to get caught up in upgrade cycles but the work that has gone
in to simplify/beautify Ubuntu is definitely attractive.  Debian may
require some homework before it is fully tuned to my choice but may be
less work in the long run.. Sorry, I just got lost in thought.
Definitely do not wish to start any distro wars.

   Web search also did not come up with any instances of anyone ever
  having `reclaimed' the M$ tax in India.  Has that ever been attempted?

I started this experiment today.

-- Manish

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Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?

2008-04-30 Thread Ravi Kumar
On 4/25/08, Shiv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The ABN Amro story gets more interesting. Here is a transcript:

 Here is what they responded:
 Dear Customer,

 This is with reference to your email dated
 April 23, 2008. At the outset we would like to thank you for the time
 taken
 and effort made by you in sharing your concerns with us.

 We wish to inform you that we have forwarded
 your concern to our customer service manager in Delhi, who shall be glad
 to discuss the same with you, post evaluating the same.

 Please quote reference number R283200804244076 in case any further
 clarification / assistance is required regarding this
 query.


This is an autogenerated mail response sent to you. So whenever you send the
mails there, it completely depends how they did implemented the system.

Keep  hinting your pressure, and they will come out from cover to talk,..
Good Work


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[ilugd] Convert man pages to hyperlinked doc?

2008-04-30 Thread Sirtaj Singh Kang

I am here to destroy my little cred as a long-time unix-lover with a
single statement: I really don't like man pages.

-- rant, please ignore -

They are sometimes nice as a reference, terrible as tutorials, and very
bad for searching for specific pieces of information when you don't know
the exact term to search with, scaling very poorly when they grow large
(take a look at the man page for bash if you don't believe me).

Some tools come with docs in the truly lovely and usable info format
(thanks tons KDE et al for actually making it possible to read info
without wondering how to close the viewer), but these not very common.

--

What I am looking for is something that can convert a given man page to
HTML or some other similar format, with such new-fangled features like
a useful table of contents, perhaps even an index.

Is there some tool to do this?

-Taj.


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Re: [ilugd] Convert man pages to hyperlinked doc?

2008-04-30 Thread Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल
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Sirtaj What I am looking for is something that can convert a given man 
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Sirtaj HTML or some other similar format, with such new-fangled features 
like
Sirtaj a useful table of contents, perhaps even an index.

Sirtaj Is there some tool to do this?

man2html[1], konqueror already does this, when you do, man:ls .

Sirtaj -Taj.

[1] - http://www.nongnu.org/man2html/

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Re: [ilugd] Convert man pages to hyperlinked doc?

2008-04-30 Thread Sirtaj Singh Kang

On Wednesday 30 April 2008, Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल wrote:
[snip]
 man2html[1], konqueror already does this, when you do, man:ls .

I'm aware of that, and yes it's a pretty major improvement from reading
the page in a terminal, but it still doesn't do TOC or hyperlinks of
any kind.

I grok the problem that troff is not really designed for semantic markup
but for presentation, but surely there are some heuristics that can be
applied for conversions in the common case...

-Taj.


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[ilugd] orkut - Vivek has sent you a friend request

2008-04-30 Thread Vivek Vaidyanathan
Hi Bharat,

Vivek Vaidyanathan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has requested to be your friend 
on orkut.

To confirm or reject this request click
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Re: [ilugd] Convert man pages to hyperlinked doc?

2008-04-30 Thread Mayank
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Wednesday 30 April 2008, Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल wrote:
 [snip]
  man2html[1], konqueror already does this, when you do, man:ls .

 I'm aware of that, and yes it's a pretty major improvement from reading
 the page in a terminal, but it still doesn't do TOC or hyperlinks of
 any kind.

 I grok the problem that troff is not really designed for semantic markup
 but for presentation, but surely there are some heuristics that can be
 applied for conversions in the common case...

 -Taj.


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Hi,
You can try TkMan (http://tkman.sourceforge.net) as man pages and
texinfo browser. Or if you really wish to export the contents to HTML then
maybe PolyglotMan (http://polyglotman.sourceforge.net) can be of some help,
btw I've never tried using this software :)

Regards,
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[ilugd] Was [ orkut - Vivek has sent you a friend request ] Am Sorry

2008-04-30 Thread vivek v
Sorry guys ,


This is a bad mistake and am very apologetic.
Vivek

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Re: [ilugd] Compilation Errors: Missing Package??

2008-04-30 Thread Anand Shankar
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi,
   It seems either you don't have glibc-headers installed on your machine
   (install/re-install it) or you've glibc-headers at some unusual place. Try
   to find location of stdio.h on your machine. If it's not /usr/include then
   try to install/re-install the glibc-headers package. It should help you 
 out.
  [...]

  For the record, the equivalent package on Ubuntu, and presumably Debian
  is libc6-dev. I completely agree that it is a pain that gcc, and/or
  the C library development package does not automatically install this.

  Regards,
  Gora

Thanks a lot, it did help resolve the compilation issues I had, to
start with. But the naming and packaging coventions do introduce an
avoidable pain. Finally I am getting stuck at compiling certain
applications for which source tar.gz is available. But after pushing
through initial hurdles I realise that this source will compile only
on debian and not on fedora.
Huh thats what all migration stuff seems to be all about. I am not a
professional, so would be forced to maintain a dual-boot/virtual
setup.

anand

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Re: [ilugd] Compilation Errors: Missing Package??

2008-04-30 Thread Mayank
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Anand Shankar 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Hi,
It seems either you don't have glibc-headers installed on your
 machine
(install/re-install it) or you've glibc-headers at some unusual
 place. Try
to find location of stdio.h on your machine. If it's not /usr/include
 then
try to install/re-install the glibc-headers package. It should help
 you out.
   [...]
 
   For the record, the equivalent package on Ubuntu, and presumably Debian
   is libc6-dev. I completely agree that it is a pain that gcc, and/or
   the C library development package does not automatically install this.
 
   Regards,
   Gora

 Thanks a lot, it did help resolve the compilation issues I had, to
 start with. But the naming and packaging coventions do introduce an
 avoidable pain. Finally I am getting stuck at compiling certain
 applications for which source tar.gz is available. But after pushing
 through initial hurdles I realise that this source will compile only
 on debian and not on fedora.
 Huh thats what all migration stuff seems to be all about. I am not a
 professional, so would be forced to maintain a dual-boot/virtual
 setup.

 anand

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Hi,
Wht's d code u r trying to compile, cauz I'm finding it real strange to
see some software, tht too source based, being distro dependent !!!

Regards,
Mayank
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[ilugd] when your pc gets sick!!!

2008-04-30 Thread devesh
Hi,

Well, it's not possible to keep your machine(pc) working(fit)
alwayssomeday,sometime comes when you said no way!!! ;)


So why don't you try TuxGuru ?

More info :
http://tuxguru.sourceforge.net/info.htm
http://tuxguru.sourceforge.net


Cheers,
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2. What's TuxGuru's Rescue Tablet?

3. How to download?

4. How to burn iso image?

5. How to use this bootable Cd?

6. Some Tips and Tricks :)

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*1. Introduction*

This project aims to make such Open Source modules or utilities (for Linux)
by which any user can shoot any problem with or without having good
technical knowledge/skills.

*I have been using Linux for a long time.I have faced so many technical
problem and shoot those out. Again i faced more problems and resolved them.
And again, I faced more problems. But at this stage, I found most of them
are same problems and same repeated solutions for those. So this idea came
in my mind, Shouldn't I make a troubleshooter. A troubleshooter which would
be smart enough to resolve the problems based on some interaction between
the user and the troubleshooter.*

The Troubleshooter will work based on the answers given, and will present
likely solutions  will ask further clarifying questions.

*Naming :*
TuxGuru = Tux + Guru
o Tux symbolizes Linux (open source software)
o Guru - a Hindi Word, which means 'Teacher' ( a person who understands the
problems and suggests appropriate solutions)

*2. What's TuxGuru's Rescue Tablet?*

It is a part of the TuxGuru project.Tuxguru's Rescue tablet resolves many
problems including
Passwords,Grub,Backup,Recovery,Partition,Installations,etc. It is a
mutli-bootable(dos/unix) disk having a large no. of trobleshooting scripts,
softwares and packages.It is based on Fedora standard booting method and
rescue environment, so can be used as 'Live' Cd.

Moreover,it contains Hiren's BootCD 9.1
http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcdand The
All In One Boot Floppy http://home.arcor.de/mschierlm/bootdisk/ which make
this Rescue Tablet more 'powerful'.

*3. How to download?*

You can get TuxGuru's Rescue Tablet beta release from
here.http://tuxguru.sourceforge.net

*4. How to burn iso image?*

Just download the iso image from the above mentioned link and use your
favorite cd/dvd burner to burn this image.

If you use Linux, can use : K3b http://k3b.plainblack.com/ or Insert your
cd/dvd in CD/DVD-ROM and type in terminal :

* cdrecord -v -pad speed=1 dev=0,0,0 tuxguru-beta.iso *

*5. How to use this bootable Cd?*

After burning your CD/DVD, just insert into your CD/DVD-ROM and reboot your
pc.You will see a menu as your pc will boot up,from there you can easily
explore this Rescue Tablet.For more info,use its
manual#119a08ad8450c2c1_119a087253512d75_119a07e49d56070c_(coming
soon!!!).

*6. Some Tips and Tricks :)*

i) - If you want to recover your windows(admin) password.

-- Boot your pc with this disk and choose Hiren's BootCd from menu.Go to
sub-menu and choose password/registry changer and follow the instructions
given on screen.It will reset your windows password.

ii) - How to resolve any grub boot-loader problem or re-installation of Grub
Boot Loader

-- Boot your machine with this disk and choose *'Run TuxGuru's Rescue
Disk'*and follow the instructions.It will leave you on terminal
(#-prompt).Type
*'tuxguru'* and choose *'Install BootLoader'* from the menu.Just wait for
4-5 Sec. and restart your machine with new Grub :).

iii ) - How to change Linux Root Password?

-- On the #-prompt, just type *'passwd'* ,it will ask you a new Root
password,just enter and confirm your new Root password.

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Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?

2008-04-30 Thread Anand Shankar
After going through the thread, I have an observation:

Do some of us realise that these institutions may not be delivering
what we expect, not because that they do not want to do it, but
because, perhaps that they have no clue how to do it. It has some
thing to do with the developer / manager education and training.

What does the average programmer in most shops use to develop these
sites - do they hard code or they use some toolkit? Suppose some one
uses a toolkit which is popular on Windows - he has been doing it and
thats the only thing he knows, he will produce what we call Hall of
shame sites.  His manager is not bothered either, as he needs to get
the job done at the earliest. The manager uses the easiest and
cheapest resource available to him. His problems start when the FOSS
community start bombarding that the site does not work. His programmer
simply puts a blank face: I do'nt know what these guys want / how to
do so as to make it run on Firefox/ Opera. Other programmers are still
plain lazy - why should I do it: In any case 90%+ visitors to my site
don't have a problem, and in the balance only less than 0.1% may ever
register a complaint. So the situations just keeps sailing. Most
managers in such situations also have an ignore attitude, bcoz it
doesnt affect their targets / KPAs.

Do we have pointers to resources for such guys: Both programmers and
managers to be able to do it in toolkit of their choice?

anand

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Re: [ilugd] Compilation Errors: Missing Package??

2008-04-30 Thread Anand Shankar
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Mayank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi,
 Wht's d code u r trying to compile, cauz I'm finding it real strange to
  see some software, tht too source based, being distro dependent !!!

  Regards,
  Mayank

 wxcam [ http://nchc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/wxcam/wxcam-1.0.1.tar.gz
] and guvcview 
(http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=8179release_id=14522).

Have been trying to use a suitable app for my UVC2 compliant webcam on
Fedora8. At present, I am limited to using Cheese and Ekiga.


anand

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Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?

2008-04-30 Thread Puneet Lakhina
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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  Puneet == Puneet Lakhina [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Puneet I read this a lot, should adhere to web standards. What are
 and where are
Puneet these standards?

 W3C[1] does web standards.



Puneet The simplest case, take the XMLHttpRquest object in
Puneet javascript. There isnt a standard way of obtaining
Puneet it.

 W3C has a working draft on XMLHttpRequest[2].

 [1] - http://www.w3.org/
 [2] - http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-XMLHttpRequest-20070618/

 HTH


The thing in browser world is, the innovation comes from the browser
companies which is then replicated in other browsers in different ways.
Hence a lot of code gets written(habits get built), before the standard
document comes around. So the average web developer always has to write
something like this for completeness.

if(firefox) {
//do firefoxy way
}else if(IE6) {
//do IE6 way
}
 ..and so on

You can say M$ flouts standards but it does do good stuff also like the
XMLHttpRequest object itself. Moreover even if IE isnt standards compliant,
it is the browser of 90% of your visitors. So ignoring it for standards isnt
an option any web dev has.

These references are good, but as long as the compliance isnt consistent, ul
see code like above, and a hall of shame.


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Re: [ilugd] suggest a CMS

2008-04-30 Thread Mayank
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:24 AM, sonika tyagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi There,

 I am assigned a job to design a new web-site for my institute. Can anyone
 please suggest me which CMS (content management system) would be good. I
 was
 thinking of Joomla...what do you guys suggest ?

 Thank you
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Hi,
 Joomla is good, we used ezPublish sometime back and that was good as
well. If it ain't a very crucial site (by crucial I mean it's not hosting
some kind of service which if hacked can result in huge monetary loss) then
you can also try out Drupal, I don't know why but Drupal seems to be the
easiest and most hackprone CMS around. ezPublish seems a bit daunting at
first as it requires one to understand it's language syntax and all, but the
end result is quite good.

Regards,
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Re: [ilugd] suggest a CMS

2008-04-30 Thread narendra sisodiya
There is no need of think on this topic,
Drupal is good for community oriented website -- I strongly suggest Drupal
for institute purpose over Joomla
here is a comparison chat -- this might help you in some sense,,
http://www.alledia.com/blog/general-cms-issues/joomla-and-drupal-%11-which-one-is-right-for-you?/

@ Sonika  -- Please take my advice on creating a requirement sheet, -- first
thing you need to figure out how many feature are technically possible at
year 2008 and then think on requirement -- how many features you want in
website

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Mayank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:24 AM, sonika tyagi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  Hi There,
 
  I am assigned a job to design a new web-site for my institute. Can
 anyone
  please suggest me which CMS (content management system) would be good. I
  was
  thinking of Joomla...what do you guys suggest ?
 
  Thank you
  Sonika
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 Hi,
 Joomla is good, we used ezPublish sometime back and that was good as
 well. If it ain't a very crucial site (by crucial I mean it's not hosting
 some kind of service which if hacked can result in huge monetary loss)
 then
 you can also try out Drupal, I don't know why but Drupal seems to be the
 easiest and most hackprone CMS around. ezPublish seems a bit daunting at
 first as it requires one to understand it's language syntax and all, but
 the
 end result is quite good.

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Re: [ilugd] suggest a CMS

2008-04-30 Thread Mayank
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:57 AM, narendra sisodiya 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is no need of think on this topic,
 Drupal is good for community oriented website -- I strongly suggest Drupal
 for institute purpose over Joomla
 here is a comparison chat -- this might help you in some sense,,

 http://www.alledia.com/blog/general-cms-issues/joomla-and-drupal-%11-which-one-is-right-for-you?/

 @ Sonika  -- Please take my advice on creating a requirement sheet, --
 first
 thing you need to figure out how many feature are technically possible at
 year 2008 and then think on requirement -- how many features you want in
 website

 On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Mayank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:24 AM, sonika tyagi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
   Hi There,
  
   I am assigned a job to design a new web-site for my institute. Can
  anyone
   please suggest me which CMS (content management system) would be good.
 I
   was
   thinking of Joomla...what do you guys suggest ?
  
   Thank you
   Sonika
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  Hi,
  Joomla is good, we used ezPublish sometime back and that was good as
  well. If it ain't a very crucial site (by crucial I mean it's not
 hosting
  some kind of service which if hacked can result in huge monetary loss)
  then
  you can also try out Drupal, I don't know why but Drupal seems to be the
  easiest and most hackprone CMS around. ezPublish seems a bit daunting at
  first as it requires one to understand it's language syntax and all, but
  the
  end result is quite good.
 
  Regards,
  Mayank
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Yupp, Narendra is very correct upon making a requirement sheet in first
place. That makes life a lot easier later on.

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Re: [ilugd] Convert man pages to hyperlinked doc?

2008-04-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 30-Apr-08, at 10:03 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote:

 I am here to destroy my little cred as a long-time unix-lover with a
 single statement: I really don't like man pages.

don't tell me you have stopped wearing a hair shirt and no longer  
sleep on a bed of nails. Shame on you.


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Re: [ilugd] suggest a CMS

2008-04-30 Thread Tanveer Singh
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:07 AM, narendra sisodiya
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 *http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ This website will help you out *



  On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Mayank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:57 AM, narendra sisodiya 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
There is no need of think on this topic,
Drupal is good for community oriented website -- I strongly suggest
   Drupal
for institute purpose over Joomla
here is a comparison chat -- this might help you in some sense,,
   
   
   
 http://www.alledia.com/blog/general-cms-issues/joomla-and-drupal-%11-which-one-is-right-for-you?/
   
I too suggest drupal.
Drupal out of the box is more difficult and does not look as good has
joomla, but room for expansion is much more, and the content
organization is more structured.

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Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?

2008-04-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 01-May-08, at 12:00 AM, Anand Shankar wrote:

 Do some of us realise that these institutions may not be delivering
 what we expect, not because that they do not want to do it, but
 because, perhaps that they have no clue how to do it.

it is quite simple: for css, js and html, IE follows a different  
'standard' from the accepted standards. All M$ tools are designed to  
follow this standard, and hence, by default products of these tools  
may not be compatible with other browsers. So it is not evil on the  
part of the managers and 'programmers' - sheer ignorance. The problem  
is that it is not easy to make something compatible with both IE and  
other browsers. It is expensive - so unless the expense is worth it,  
they will not do it. Note that it is easier to write a standards  
compliant page and then tweak for IE than to the reverse. And it  
requires a good knowledge of css, js and html - which eliminates 95%  
of all web programmers. A long, uphill task.


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Re: [ilugd] suggest a CMS

2008-04-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 01-May-08, at 7:32 AM, Mayank wrote:

   Joomla is good, we used ezPublish sometime back and that was good as
 well. If it ain't a very crucial site (by crucial I mean it's not  
 hosting
 some kind of service which if hacked can result in huge monetary  
 loss) then
 you can also try out Drupal,

plone is hackproof


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Re: [ilugd] suggest a CMS

2008-04-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 01-May-08, at 9:07 AM, narendra sisodiya wrote:

 *http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ This website will help you out *

 On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Mayank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:57 AM, narendra sisodiya 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is no need of think on this topic,
 Drupal is good for community oriented website -- I strongly suggest
 Drupal
 for institute purpose over Joomla
 here is a comparison chat -- this might help you in some sense,,


 http://www.alledia.com/blog/general-cms-issues/joomla-and-drupal-% 
 11-which-one-is-right-for-you?/

 @ Sonika  -- Please take my advice on creating a requirement  
 sheet, --
 first
 thing you need to figure out how many feature are technically  
 possible
 at
 year 2008 and then think on requirement -- how many features you  
 want in
 website

 On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Mayank [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:

 On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:24 AM, sonika tyagi  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Hi There,

 I am assigned a job to design a new web-site for my institute. Can
 anyone
 please suggest me which CMS (content management system) would be
 good.
 I
 was
 thinking of Joomla...what do you guys suggest ?

 Thank you
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 Hi,
 Joomla is good, we used ezPublish sometime back and that was  
 good
 as
 well. If it ain't a very crucial site (by crucial I mean it's not
 hosting
 some kind of service which if hacked can result in huge monetary  
 loss)
 then
 you can also try out Drupal, I don't know why but Drupal seems  
 to be
 the
 easiest and most hackprone CMS around. ezPublish seems a bit  
 daunting
 at
 first as it requires one to understand it's language syntax and  
 all,
 but
 the
 end result is quite good.

 Regards,
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Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?

2008-04-30 Thread Anand Shankar
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So it is not evil on the
  part of the managers and 'programmers' - sheer ignorance. The problem
  is that it is not easy to make something compatible with both IE and
  other browsers. It is expensive - so unless the expense is worth it,
  they will not do it. Note that it is easier to write a standards
  compliant page and then tweak for IE than to the reverse. And it
  requires a good knowledge of css, js and html - which eliminates 95%
  of all web programmers. A long, uphill task.



So, is an activist Hall of Shame on
So it is not evil on the part of the managers and 'programmers' -
sheer ignorance.
an answer?

I believe most of these banks/institutions would be outsourcing this
work. Could we suggest certain clauses in RFPs which can take care of
this situation? Should we suggest a community standardised Acceptance
Testing Framework so as to resolve this issue more decently? At least
then we can ask these organisations to adhere to this framework.

anand

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Re: [ilugd] suggest a CMS

2008-04-30 Thread Raj Mathur
On Thursday 01 May 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
 [snip]
 plone is hackproof

I presume that statement is sheer flamebait, and is not intended to have 
any relationship with reality?

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Re: [ilugd] suggest a CMS

2008-04-30 Thread Anand Shankar
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  plone is hackproof


Plone certainly is very good. Good for community and good for
enterprise as well. However, since you mentioned plone can I clarify
some of my doubts on this:

Plone is based on Zope which in turn is based on Python. Zope is
locked today on Python 2.4, where most distributions have moved to
Python 2.5. Zope development 2.9(??) is being done more like a Python
Module/package than as an engine, which was the case earlier. Zope3.0
seems to be a disconnect from past. May be I reached a wrong
conclusion, but would like to see opinion of others in this regard.

anand

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Re: [ilugd] when your pc gets sick! (suggestions?)

2008-04-30 Thread devesh
 If you have tried it, how many distributions can it handle?

 Does it take care of different versions of particular distributions?

 How well does it deal with different types of hardware and how does it
 do it? (or is it just what FC provides)

Hi,

Well, Its a part of my *college project* and i just uploaded it on internet
to get some reviews from my friend circle. The work is still in progress
including manual.(due to lack of (college)time i couldnt prepare good
manual). Ya, I can say in this stage this is very beneficial for newbies. It
only deals with the hardware which Fedora provides.

I have tried this on my college lab and other computers and it worked fine.
I just included Grub-installation scripts which install grub
automatically(its very good for those students and newbies who even dont
know what a bootloader is). :)

I have written other scripts also but not included in this CD.

Well, two years back, i never heard the word 'Linux' . But so far whatever i
have learned i want to share it with my friends(perhaps  it may help
them!!), so  tried to make  such thing.


If you have any suggestion(s) please reply back!!!

Thanks for your response.

cheers,
Devesh.
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Re: [ilugd] suggest a CMS

2008-04-30 Thread sonika tyagi
Thank you all for your suggestions. I am still reading stuff to decide on
which CMS to use.

Someone said Drupal is hackprone... and yet Drupal is being recommended over
Joomla!!! Security is an important concern to me, so would prefer a CMS
which is more secure.

I was looking at the old version of the website I am working on- It was
developed using asp.net... I was wondering if is possible to import the old
content/structure into Joomla/Drupal/other.


On 5/1/08, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On 01-May-08, at 9:07 AM, narendra sisodiya wrote:

  *http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ This website will help you out *
 
  On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Mayank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:57 AM, narendra sisodiya 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  There is no need of think on this topic,
  Drupal is good for community oriented website -- I strongly suggest
  Drupal
  for institute purpose over Joomla
  here is a comparison chat -- this might help you in some sense,,
 
 
  http://www.alledia.com/blog/general-cms-issues/joomla-and-drupal-%
  11-which-one-is-right-for-you?/
 
  @ Sonika  -- Please take my advice on creating a requirement
  sheet, --
  first
  thing you need to figure out how many feature are technically
  possible
  at
  year 2008 and then think on requirement -- how many features you
  want in
  website
 
  On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Mayank [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:24 AM, sonika tyagi
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  Hi There,
 
  I am assigned a job to design a new web-site for my institute. Can
  anyone
  please suggest me which CMS (content management system) would be
  good.
  I
  was
  thinking of Joomla...what do you guys suggest ?
 
  Thank you
  Sonika
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  Joomla is good, we used ezPublish sometime back and that was
  good
  as
  well. If it ain't a very crucial site (by crucial I mean it's not
  hosting
  some kind of service which if hacked can result in huge monetary
  loss)
  then
  you can also try out Drupal, I don't know why but Drupal seems
  to be
  the
  easiest and most hackprone CMS around. ezPublish seems a bit
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  first
  place. That makes life a lot easier later on.
 
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[ilugd] Linux Training institute in Delhi

2008-04-30 Thread narendra sisodiya
Hi,
We need to maintain information about Linux training Institues or schools in
Delhi  or near to Delhi
Please add the information on this wiki page
http://lug-iitd.org/Articles/Linux_Training_Institutes_in_Delhi

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Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?

2008-04-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 01-May-08, at 10:02 AM, Anand Shankar wrote:

 So, is an activist Hall of Shame on
 So it is not evil on the part of the managers and 'programmers' -
 sheer ignorance.
 an answer?

unless you believe that the boards of directors of banks are issuing  
specific instructions only to support IE

 I believe most of these banks/institutions would be outsourcing this
 work. Could we suggest certain clauses in RFPs which can take care of
 this situation? Should we suggest a community standardised Acceptance
 Testing Framework so as to resolve this issue more decently? At least
 then we can ask these organisations to adhere to this framework.

this is the best suggestion I have ever seen on the subject - if you  
could set the ball rolling with a framework for this we could start a  
wiki page on the subject


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Re: [ilugd] suggest a CMS

2008-04-30 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 01-May-08, at 10:20 AM, Raj Mathur wrote:

 [snip]
 plone is hackproof

 I presume that statement is sheer flamebait, and is not intended to  
 have
 any relationship with reality?

you presume wrong on both counts. Plone is a highly mature and highly  
secure cms - far superior to any of the php things being bandied  
about. And nowadays, a basic plone install is dead simple.


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