Re: [ilugd] which flavour of linux to choose
Thank you everyone and i guess i will go with ubuntu. On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Arun Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 22 Jul 2008, Smruti wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions and put it on our website? Put a link to the above material instead of reinventing the wheel. -- Arun Khan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] which flavour of linux to choose
Thank you everyone and i guess i will go with ubuntu. Good choice. Months later, when you are more familiar with Linux and try some other distro, you'll wonder why all of them aren't as easy to install and use as Ubuntu :) If you aren't in a hurry, you can visit https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and have them ship you a free CD. It comes in from Singapore, yet arrives within a week. Not wanting to start a flame war - I use Fedora for all my work. But I still have Ubuntu on my spare laptop, to turn to when all else fails. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] which flavour of linux to choose
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2008, Asif Zaheer wrote: Use REDHAT Enterprise Linux 5.0 or 4 Update 6. Er, you can't get that with updates for free as far as I know. I won't suggest another distribution, let Neha go with whatever distribution s/he has decided on. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] which flavour of linux to choose
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:45:47 +0530 Saurabh Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you everyone and i guess i will go with ubuntu. Good choice. Months later, when you are more familiar with Linux and try some other distro, you'll wonder why all of them aren't as easy to install and use as Ubuntu :) If you aren't in a hurry, you can visit https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and have them ship you a free CD. It comes in from Singapore, yet arrives within a week. [...] Probably time to bring this up again. If you are based in Delhi, you can pick up a CD of most recent distributions (currently, we have FC9, and Ubuntu CDs and DVDs) from Sarai, CSDS, at 29 Rajpur Road, for the cost of the media (for free, if we have free copies left). Please arrange with me via email if planning on coming out here. We would also be glad to download, and burn for you CDs of almost any other Linux distribution, with advance notice. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [OT] Software testing course
Any pointers for softawre testing course on offer? How is http://www.stctek.com/ Any other you know of? -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: I know most of people do not follow email niceties (mostly they are not aware) but if you follow bottom post/in-line post style of email conversations it becomes a whole lot easier to carry on meaningful dialogue and you can snip out what is not meaningful too. Most people just hit reply button and top post leaving prior message appended uselessly at bottom. See if you can adopt this style and persuade others. In case you are already doing this . great, spread the message. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] mobile braodband connection ??
thanks a lot for all your responses. i guess i will try out the tata connection. -- Abhinav Sahai ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Conversation view (like GMail) in Evolution
Is it possible? Is there a plugin, which can help me achieve this? Saurabh. -- http://nandz.blogspot.com http://foodieforlife.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Conversation view (like GMail) in Evolution
hi saurabh, On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Saurabh Nanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible? Is there a plugin, which can help me achieve this? I guess you mean the thread view, you just have to enable that view - group by thread -- regards, Prashanth http://munichlinux.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Conversation view (like GMail) in Evolution
I guess you mean the thread view, you just have to enable that view - group by thread I think I already have that on. The difference between a conversation view and a thread view is that the former also shows the mails sent be you in the same tree Saurabh. -- http://nandz.blogspot.com http://foodieforlife.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] which flavour of linux to choose
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 22 Jul 2008, Asif Zaheer wrote: Use REDHAT Enterprise Linux 5.0 or 4 Update 6. Er, you can't get that with updates for free as far as I know. I won't suggest another distribution, let Neha go with whatever distribution s/he has decided on. Regards, -- Raju Updates I am still wondering if we can GET RHEL for free or not. Can we get the complete RHEL distro (in binary not source) in the first place, for free, without violating any laws?? -- The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. ~Walter Bagehot ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Conversation view (like GMail) in Evolution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Saurabh Nanda wrote: I guess you mean the thread view, you just have to enable that view - group by thread I think I already have that on. The difference between a conversation view and a thread view is that the former also shows the mails sent be you in the same tree Gmail doesn't have concept of folders. So, in inbox you'll only see mails you received. There is a MUA named sup[1] (based in ncurses) which has this labels thing which you can try. References: [1] - http://sup.rubyforge.org/ HTH - -- ·-- ·- ·--- ·- ···- ·- ·--·-· --· -- ·- ·· ·-·· ·-·-·- -·-· --- -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkiFw/8ACgkQHy+EEHYuXnTlkwCeM6fME67sK97xdOYcPdu4tGz+ 3rkAoOlwa2unPtBd+Ue7yELcI7M6eX7S =W9Vi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] which flavour of linux to choose
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:07:07 -0700 Smruti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Updates I am still wondering if we can GET RHEL for free or not. Can we get the complete RHEL distro (in binary not source) in the first place, for free, without violating any laws?? [...] Most certainly one can. Here are two avenues: (a) Have someone from Redhat give you a copy. (b) Use CentOS Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] which flavour of linux to choose
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:21 AM, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most certainly one can. Here are two avenues: I have a few questions in mind on the below mentioned suggestions. (a) Have someone from Redhat give you a copy. 1. Is it legal for someone to distribute a Redhat Enterprise Linux copy that he bought from Redhat without any Redhat agreement or restrictions? If yes, than again I get back to my old question which is how will he get the distro. 2. Is it legal for someone from Redhat(assuming he has the access to the distro) to distribute it for free without any Redhat agreement or restrictions(in short as FOSS) (b) Use CentOS Acceptable. Yet, still not RHEL! Regards, Gora Thanks for the response anyways. :) -- The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. ~Walter Bagehot ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] which flavour of linux to choose
(a) Have someone from Redhat give you a copy. 1. Is it legal for someone to distribute a Redhat Enterprise Linux copy that he bought from Redhat without any Redhat agreement or restrictions? If yes, than again I get back to my old question which is how will he get the distro. RHEL can be distributed to anyone and it is legal. Redhat will provide support only if you buy a support package from them, which is how they earn money, but its perfectly legal to distribute RHEL. 2. Is it legal for someone from Redhat(assuming he has the access to the distro) to distribute it for free without any Redhat agreement or restrictions(in short as FOSS) I'm sure employees distributing unreleased version of redhat would land in some trouble, but distributing released versions shouldn't be a problem. Again, I don't know the contents of the employement agreement at Redhat so I'm just guessing this. (b) Use CentOS Acceptable. Yet, still not RHEL! Yes, its not RHEL, but CentOS is based on the corresponding RHEL and should be binary compatible. Atleast that's what they claim. CentOS takes an RHEL copy and removes mentions of the company's name and repackages the distribution. -- Sharninder http://nomadicrider.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] which flavour of linux to choose
1. Is it legal for someone to distribute a Redhat Enterprise Linux copy that he bought from Redhat without any Redhat agreement or restrictions? If yes, than again I get back to my old question which is how will he get the distro. It is illegal. The binaries are copyright protected. The source is re-distributable. The Red Hat logos and trademarks embedded into their product can also not be redistributed. 2. Is it legal for someone from Redhat(assuming he has the access to the distro) to distribute it for free without any Redhat agreement or restrictions(in short as FOSS) I don't think so, though I would like a RedHat guy to comment. The RHEL EULA prohibits you from using RHEL unless someone from RH gives you a license, or written permission to do so. (b) Use CentOS Acceptable. Yet, still not RHEL! Not RHEL. Only better :) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] which flavour of linux to choose
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2008, Smruti wrote: 1. Is it legal for someone to distribute a Redhat Enterprise Linux copy that he bought from Redhat without any Redhat agreement or restrictions? If yes, than again I get back to my old question which is how will he get the distro. IANAL, but it's legal to re-distribute RHEL since RH relies on trademark rather than copyright to protect its operating systems. So you can re-distribute it, but your recipient can't use it since s/he would be violating Red Hat's trademarks by doing so. Perhaps someone from RH on this list could give us accurate information? 2. Is it legal for someone from Redhat(assuming he has the access to the distro) to distribute it for free without any Redhat agreement or restrictions(in short as FOSS) RH offers a 30-day evaluation account, which allows you to download RHEL, as far as I remember, so you can use RHEL legally for 30 days at least. Again, best if someone from RH confirms/denies -- I am neither a lawyer nor speaking for RH. In any case, at the moment RHEL isn't a viable option for a home user who doesn't want to pay for Linux. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] which flavour of linux to choose
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 22 Jul 2008, Smruti wrote: 1. Is it legal for someone to distribute a Redhat Enterprise Linux copy that he bought from Redhat without any Redhat agreement or restrictions? If yes, than again I get back to my old question which is how will he get the distro. IANAL, but it's legal to re-distribute RHEL since RH relies on trademark rather than copyright to protect its operating systems. So you can re-distribute it, but your recipient can't use it since s/he would be violating Red Hat's trademarks by doing so. Perhaps someone from RH on this list could give us accurate information? Well, since everyone else differs on this, I'll take my words back. I might be wrong in assuming that it was legal to distribute RHEL. -- http://nomadicrider.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] which flavour of linux to choose
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2008, Saurabh Jain wrote: 1. Is it legal for someone to distribute a Redhat Enterprise Linux copy that he bought from Redhat without any Redhat agreement or restrictions? If yes, than again I get back to my old question which is how will he get the distro. It is illegal. The binaries are copyright protected. The source is re-distributable. The Red Hat logos and trademarks embedded into their product can also not be redistributed. Just because the binaries are copyright doesn't mean they can't be redistributed, otherwise no one would ever be able to distribute any software at all -- all software is copyrighted :) Since the licence (not the copyright) determines redistribution rights, and all the binaries in RHEL are FOSS licensed, it is perfectly legal to redistribute them. Don't know about redistributing trademarked stuff (I don't think there should be an issue but again, I'm not a lawyer). Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] which flavour of linux to choose
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IANAL, but it's legal to re-distribute RHEL since RH relies on trademark rather than copyright to protect its operating systems. So you can re-distribute it, but your recipient can't use it since s/he would be violating Red Hat's trademarks by doing so. Still not clear about the redistribution part but even if you can, what's the point of having something if you can't use it?? -- The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. ~Walter Bagehot ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] which flavour of linux to choose
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2008, Smruti wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IANAL, but it's legal to re-distribute RHEL since RH relies on trademark rather than copyright to protect its operating systems. So you can re-distribute it, but your recipient can't use it since s/he would be violating Red Hat's trademarks by doing so. Still not clear about the redistribution part but even if you can, what's the point of having something if you can't use it?? Choose something you can use w/o any encumbrance or contact Redhat for clarification on usage of copies of RHEL. -- Arun Khan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] which flavour of linux to choose
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:41 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because the binaries are copyright doesn't mean they can't be redistributed, otherwise no one would ever be able to distribute any software at all -- all software is copyrighted :) Since the licence (not the copyright) determines redistribution rights, and all the binaries in RHEL are FOSS licensed, it is perfectly legal to redistribute them. I was going through the EULA of RHEL and found some interesting facts. Here is one of them. (A lot of you might have already gone through this. If so, will truly appreciate your inputs.) * .This EULA does not permit User to distribute the Programs or their components using Red Hat's trademarks, regardless of whether the copy has been modified. *Courtesy: Redhat http://www.redhat.com/licenses/rhel_rha_eula.html Now if we give somebody a copy of the RHEL (CD Set, the same way as its bought) , I don't know about others, but I clearly think it's a violation of this agreement which he or she has already agreed. -- The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. ~Walter Bagehot ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] which flavour of linux to choose
.This EULA does not permit User to distribute the Programs or their components using Red Hat's trademarks, regardless of whether the copy has been modified. *Courtesy: Redhat http://www.redhat.com/licenses/rhel_rha_eula.html Thanks Smruti. I was going to point the list members to the EULA link myself. The GPL only talks about the source code. What someone compiles out of the source, is their work. How the authors of this binary work licenses that work, is their prerogative. The GPL only dictates that the source must accompany the binary. You can charge for the binary, and copy protect it. GPL v3 of course has interesting caveats, which prevent Tivo-isation, to use a word coined by Stallman. To put it trivially, you can copy protect the binary, as long as you don't prevent the user from removing your binary firmware from the device altogether, and putting in their binaries. The RedHat EULA is actually pretty accommodative. Other EULAs I've read in the past, specifically prohibit redistribution of binaries. I think Novell made SUSE that way - you couldn't redistribute SUSE 10. Then they had to create OpenSuse to appease the community. If we're going to divert ourselves into a licensing discussion, shouldn't we change the thread subject ;-) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Strange Problem
Dear All, I have facing a strange problem in Fedora 8. My trash in /home/user showing to be full, but when i saw from command prompt it is empty. When I observed the files carefully I saw that these files are nothing but the files from /dev partition. Although the files in /dev are intact, but I am really not able to understand how an image of /dev formed in trash. I am not even able to clear the trash even with superuser (using rm -rf ). I have dual partition on my machine, one partition is of windows and other is Fedora 8 linux. If anyone helps me understand what is the problem and how I can solve it I will be very thankful for the kind help. Regards -- Hemant Ritturaj Kushwaha PhD Student Center for Computational Biology and Bioinformatics Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi-110067 Phone: 09868801604 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Strange Problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 23 Jul 2008, hemant ritturaj wrote: My trash in /home/user showing to be full, but when i saw from command prompt it is empty. When I observed the files carefully I saw that these files are nothing but the files from /dev partition. Although the files in /dev are intact, but I am really not able to understand how an image of /dev formed in trash. I am not even able to clear the trash even with superuser (using rm -rf ). If you're unable to remove files as root, you usually need to do one of these: - - fsck the filesystem, fix any corruption. - - lsattr the files you're unable to remove and see if the (i)mmutable attribute is set. If it is you can remove it with chattr. Can't say any more until you provide the precise error you get when trying to remove the files. BTW, if lsattr shows immutable files, you may have a rootkit -- rootkits are notorious for setting +i on files. Run rkhunter, reinstall if you find a rootkit. Regards, - -- Raju - -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkiGosEACgkQyWjQ78xo0X9s+ACfQBTJkCBFEZtI0aoY4zeBG7B2 4vIAoIij0Q+wYtcLbsHt5MbOPsrlD6+S =EIp6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
