[ilugd] PyCon India 2009 - Call for Proposal/Participation
Hi, PyCon http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyCon India 2009, first Python Conference in India, is being organized by the Python user and developer community in India. The conference will consist of a number of full length presentations, lightning talks, sprints and BoFs http://wiki.python.org/moin/BoFs. Venue: Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore Dates: 26th and 27th September 2009 How to register: Register online at http://in.pycon.org/2009/register before 1st August and get an early-bird discount or register directly at the conference. Call for Proposals: PyCon http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyCon India is looking for proposals on all aspects of Python programming. We will accept a broad range of presentations, from reports on academic and commercial projects to tutorials and case studies. As long as the presentation is interesting and potentially useful to the Python community, it will be considered for inclusion in the conference. All the talks will be within 45-60 minutes. There will also be a dedicated Lightning Talk session for talks no longer than five minutes. More information about the conference can be found from the conference website http://in.pycon.org/2009/. /*P.S.* The discussions for PyCon India happens at inpy...@python.org . Please join this list if you want to know more about how you can help us./ -- With Regards, Parthan SR technofreak GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [X-Post] Freenode is looking for donations
- Forwarded Content -- I will try to keep this brief and to the point. This message has been cross posted to several lists which will explain why you might get more than one copy. I hope you find it informative too. Send all flames to me, not to the lists. I'm taking off the other hats I wear for a moment to ask for you or your company's support of Freenode [1] (technically the Peer-Directed Projects Center or PDPC) now based in the United Kingdom. For those that don't know, Freenode is an IRC [2] network supporting Open Source and Free Software communities globally. Another PDPC activity is the annual FOSSCON conference in the fall. PDPC is specifically [3] raising funds in order to be recognized by the UK as an official charitable organization. This status has many benefits, however they need to raise a certain amount of money by March, 2009. There are just a few days left in the fundraising campaign. Canonical Ltd. (the company created by Mark Shuttleworth that drives Ubuntu Linux) has graciously stepped forward to provide dollar for dollar matching, magnifying the impact of your donations to PDPC. The fund raising goal has almost been reached but your contribution is needed. Brainstorming by the PDPC board of directors for how to use any funds not used for operations includes hosting live conference events in Europe and the US, extending current services and improving the reliability of the freenode network by hosting a few of their own hubs and backup systems. Freenode is growing rapidly [4] supporting up to 57,000 concurrent users up from a maximum of about 40,000 18 months ago. Some people may not be aware that IRC is used by a huge array of Open Source and Free Software projects. The list of groups [5] Freenode works with is truly impressive. I feel it is not at all hyperbole to say that the work done over freenode and OFTC [6] are the real-time backbone of open source collaboration throughout the world, Coders use the IRC network to develop applications used by millions of people every day and provide *end user support*. If you use any open source software you may be an indirect beneficiary of the services Freenode provides. I encourage those who are interested to try launching an IRC client such as Pidgin [7] and see for yourself. You won't be sorry you did. While I have used Freenode for many years, this year I too became a contributor for the first time. For a one time contribution http://freenode.net/pdpc_donations.shtml of as little as $8 you can join me in supporting Freenode and the many Open Source projects they serve. Thanks for your consideration, -- -- Grant Bowman grant...@gmail.com [1] http://freenode.net/pdpc_donations.shtml http://fosscon.org/about/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat is a form of group instant messaging first used in 1988. Related sites include http://www.irchelp.org/ and http://www.irc.org/ [3] http://blog.freenode.net/2008/10/fundraising-for-charity-status/ http://blog.freenode.net/2009/03/20082009-fundraiser-campaign-update/ [4] http://freenode.net/history.shtml also http://searchirc.com/network/Freenode [5] http://freenode.net/primary_groups.shtml include the Apache Software Foundation, Canonical Ltd (Ubuntu), Creative Commons Corporation, Free Software Foundation (GNU Project), Mozilla Foundation (Firefox), MySQL AB, NetBSD Foundation, Open Darwin Foundation (Apple builds OSX using Darwin), OpenOffice.org, Red Hat, Inc. the World Wide Web Consortium among others. [6] OFTC is a a similar but much smaller IRC network. See Freenode and OFTC IRC networks buddy up, May 2007 http://www.linux.com/articles/62098 also http://searchirc.com/network/OFTC [7] http://pidgin.im is an IRC client that runs on Windows, Mac and Linux formerly named Gaim. http://www.mirc.com/ is also popular on the Windows platform. -- End - ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] List of Corporates using Linux Desktops?
Chirag Anand wrote: Can you tell me, that so many FOSS companies are here on this mailing list but why you do not come to campuses?? Or why you do not take freshers (i may be wrong here), but i have seen job openings in LFY...not a single opening for freshers. Please tell me, where do we go (FOSS students) for gaining some experience? Ultimately, even if we go to companies like tcs, infy etc. we wont be getting any FOSS exposure there. Does that make me eligible for a placement in a FOSS company? Just becuase, we have been promoting FOSS/Linux in our colleges and have contributed something to FOSS and advocating and fighting for it, make us good enough for your firm? Do we even have an oppurtunity to realise our dreams? Well, FOSS companies (at least those I know) are not IT majors like the ones you have listed (who recruit in mass just to have considerable workforce numbers to bag big projects). Most FOSS companies concentrate on providing a very specific solution or support for some widely used FOSS software stack like a LAMP stack etc. Hence they have a very limited workforce and mostly multi-faced as in you do not concentrate on one part of the stack or the worst care one part of a tool (like you would do in a IT Major) but get an opportunity to have your hands on more on them (like a Scripting language to code the program login, Database design and management, UI development either desktop GUI or web-based GUI, source code management with a version control, a little bit of administration (if you're a bit lucky you would be managing servers as well) and a lot more. Because the shop is small, though the job requires people who can be trusted to get the job done, they only take in people who can prove that they are worth being appointed. It either means you've a similar prior work experience, even it means working in a startup, or at least good amount of contribution to projects in similar areas to the company's requirement. Well, we can understand about the former part as you require someone to give you a job at first place, but the latter part is entirely in your hands. We too have been in college and we really know how much time gets wasted in stuffs which could have been otherwise used for the before said purpose. The time you're a student is wonderful period when you can learn, experiment and spend time on things. If you reason out your routine college activities as a reason not to do this, then it's you who're losing the game. Also, blaming the faculty or the syllabus is going to take you nowhere, because are you ready to be a Teacher after passing out? No, you want to join a big s/w company and earn loads. If you can have this attitude and/or dream, why shouldn't your teachers too have the same dream? Students are never justified to run away, putting the blame on faculties. You have to be self-initiative, should work on your own personal interest and indeed spend late hours learning and experimenting things instead of wasting it on other sutffs. You should take your own effort, find out ways and means to contribute to a project of your interest and develop skills. At the same time, do not expect people to spoon feed you in the FOSS community. Many of us contribute on our personal left over time and we can't do much rather than clearing doubts, pointing you to resources or giving feedbacks on your work. Well, the road is not with roses and stepping on the thorns is worth the pain if you consider your future. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? Open Letter To Linux For You India print Magzine India
M.S.Yatnatti CEO KPN UNLIMITD wrote: Dear Mr Atanu, I am thankful for your cool reply.Please provide me the link where GPL provides branding of GPLed software's.. At the same time please provide me what happens to four freedoms guaranteed in GPL at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html.Out of four one about redistribution is snatched by putting restriction on redistribution� by branding.� Is� GPL has two different policies one about four freedoms and other with branding. Please be cool and reply.Many have lossed cool why replying to� me.Let us understand the GPL indepth whether some one call me fool or troll.I am not bothered about their accusation .I make the� debate without fearing any body.they can express their views I can express my views .Ultimately FOSS is big community to take care of GPL.. Learning is not simple.Immediately many people jumped on me calling troll instead of subject, Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? the question you have raised at Linux For You.. I dont know� tommorrow they may say you have raised this isuue for cheap publicity for your magzine. I know you have made a great debate� public..Thanks for your daring article.� . M.S.Yatnatti KPN UNLIMITED Corporate Office:No.18/6, Executive chambers, Cunningham Road, Bangalore � 560052. WEBSITE WWW.KPNUNLIMITED.OR As I couldn't any more see my friends' futile attempts to make you understand what GPL is for and what it's aims are, I try to add some support for them too. Before that, can you please learn how to write mails, especially when you are replying to other's replies and how to quote other's words when replying to them. All your mails have been unnecessarily long, not because your reply was long but because you chose to leave the earlier mail (if not wrong, the entire multi-quoted thread) at the end of your reply. Secondly, your sentence structure is so terrible that we have to read it many times to understand what you mean, and in the process might have completely misunderstood what you mean. I also wonder why do you want to advertise your company in all your mails to a public mailing list unless you are expressing not your personal opinions and concerns but rather of your company's. Coming to the point, you have repeatedly talked about the 4 freedoms offered by GPL.but this raises the question whether you have understood the 4 freedoms and where they can be applied. As RHEL you are referring to seems to exist under GPLV2, reading [1] again might be of use to you. If you read it, point 0 clearly states that it covers the program or other work which contains a notice that they are under GPL v2 and you can exclude something from being included if it doesn't affect the execution of the program that is under GPL. And, GPL covers only the copying, distribution and modification of the above mentioned program and anything other than this is out of its scope. Considering RHEL, you are free to do anything with the program and the code which is under GPL v2. This means, you can share the code, you can modify the code and you can distribute the modified code. The 'program under GPL' doesn't cover the name RHEL or the logos and other branding of RHEL at all, which means although you're allowed to distribute and modify the RHEL source code which is under GPL, you can not distribute the branding RHEL until you are authorized to do so. In addition, reading about this [2] GPL violation case in which MySQL AB won the case will also let you know the different between GPL and trademark license. Another pointer on a FOSS product's trademark policies on licensing (read Drupal and Mozilla) [3] and [4], though they aren't completely relevant on a GPL case but it shows how they value trademarks even when keeping their product open sourced. If you have any dispute with this, i.e. not allowing the branding to be distributed while you can do so with the source code under GPL associated with it, it would be better to consider a legal authority/help. You can even write to RMS or to Red Hat's legal department, but please ensure that your mail is sensible enough and structured that those sane men can get the meaning out of it. As we have tried our best to enlighten you about the fact and the truth, there is nothing more we can offer you in this matter. May be someone in this list can refer you to a proper legal help on this. [1] http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html [2] http://www.open-mag.com/features/Vol_24/GPL/gpl.htm [3] http://groups.drupal.org/node/15023 [4] http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/licensing.html -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: As far as being a good FOSS citizen, I have always believed that helping fixing bugs upstream is better than having distro specific patches. I must admit, I cannot say how well Ubuntu does in this regard, however I have seen many launchpad bugs referencing the fact that a bug has been filed upstream. Unless I see proper data (and not merely opinions/hunches misrepresented as facts) as to whether the Ubuntu's community has not helped in fixing these bugs (and not merely reporting them - which isn't bad per se), (Sorry for repeating this in another LUG mailing list, but just to keep the facts right) What Launchpad does has is a feature to mark bugs with related bugs filed in the upstream bugzilla and a feature to find bugs which needs reporting in the upstream bugzilla. Though this provides the ability for Ubuntu devels and package maintainers to keep track of upstream development, as far as my experience with Bugs and Launchpad are considered, this doesn't ensure that when a bug is fixed in LP/Ubuntu, the upstream also gets the patch for the same. It requires either the patch submitter, or the triager, or the maintainer, or the devel to go to upstream bugzilla and file the same patch for the bug there. If the maintainer is same in both Upstream and Ubuntu, which is not very common one, then he/she takes care of patching at both places. Else, it is the responsibility of one of the above mentioned list of people to do the job of filing patches upstream and following it up. Considering the number of bugs being referred upstream and the number of bugs that require upstream reporting and followup, the current availability of people to work on such cases is very less. Hence, there is a huge possibility of Ubuntu patches getting missed from moving to upstream. But I somewhere smell that the process of reporting downstream patches to upstream is also on the cards in the next list of development for LP. But as LP by itself is a question of debate, unfortunately, I will not put my hands into it now ;) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Arun SAG wrote: I read some where in the internet that, canonical is not contributing back to its mother distribution debian. Leaving the debate whether the underlying accusation is true or false, please when you are making a statement do state the following, [1] completely describe what your statement means. not contributing back is a vague statement and doesn't mean anything in specific. [2] Backup your statement with proof, at least a link where you found the accusation to have been made. Otherwise making a vague statement based upon your memory to have read somewhere doesn't help much. Just my thoughts. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Wow, this thread I have been really entertaining to sit back and watch. But this is growing out to be something which serves no purpose. Here are my few thoughts, though wishing this thread will close soon. The idea of Coding in Native Languages is not new, a lot of people have spoken and may be few even tried one in nook and corners of the world. I even remember a similar topic running in one of the Indian GNU/Linux Mailing List a few years ago. On one side, the idea is so welcomed as the requirement of English knowledge is sometimes felt as a barrier for development as a majority of our population are not that much literate in English. Under such consideration, being able to write code, developer softwares with their own native language is surely a boon. I don't understand, if such a thing is possible, why shouldn't it be welcomed and supported as this can be effectively used to create more desi softwares, solving local problems and requirements, by people who are at the core of the problem or the primary people exposed to it. Scratching ones own itch is better than scratching other's itch. If such a system is possible and being developed, what might be of concern is how compatible is it with other systems. We, as one amongst the FOSS community, ought to think about developing softwares which can be applied in a wide scope (except in case of specialized softwares targeting a specific group of people). This means, we need to have a facility to code in FOO programming language in BAR native language, but being able to compile this code or transform this code into FOOBAR native language. To put it simply, if A writes a Python code in Hindi, there should be a cross-compiler or such thing which B can use to convert the Python code into Tamil or Malayalam so that people in those languages can improve the code, which A can take back and compile it into Hindu. Here, the concerned Programming Language remains the same Python and hence the programmatic idioms and practices remains the same.Thus, even when people work in their own languages, the code is fully compatible between languages, while the main Programming Language being followed is the same. I still consider this to be a dream, which is totally not impossible but would be surprised if this happens in my life time. I might still stick to writing EN code, but at least people might write better software if they can do so in their own native language. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
narendra sisodiya wrote: lol, Its not possible, why you forget about documentation ?? will documentation be in English Indeed, localizing document is not as hard as localizing a programming language itself. And in FOSS, documents are also community contributed and hence people might try to code in Hindi, experiment and write documentation/tutorial/howtos for the same in Hindi. Nope,,, It is impossible to revert time... Hmm? saying pyton in hindi is same as saying Newton's law in Hindi Of course, an if condition makes sense because you know the word if means something a sorta condition. If we can imply the same in Hindi, then why won't it make sense? How does it matter, by a *technical point of view * you are just rebuilding the keywords to make life complex. Whose life? If you feel complex then nobody is compelling you to use it. It is for people to whom it makes more sense than doing something in a language they learn using their native language. writing a code in computer language need some keywords, with logic, native language is not useful for code writing. What language does computer language use. If your PoV is that they do not use English, then you are learning a programming language in some alien meaningless language. When you can do so, why you thing people wont be able to make use of something in their own native language which they can very much understand without external intervention? If you accept they are in English, then when something can be represented in English why not some other language not be used? IMHO, a programmer can easily understand these facts. I will again say, you are diverting new generation to stick/code with local language. We are indeed programmers and we have understood that programming is merely putting logic into action using a tool called programming language. What's at the bottom most core of all programming language is math, or more precisely logic. When you are good in your logical abilities, you become a good programmer. If a programmer understands this fundamental truth, then he wont run away when he is put into a situation that he has to work with a new programming language that he doesn't know till now. As a closing comment, you can be skeptical or even caustic about Coding in Hindi and we respect your freedom to do. But this doesn't give you any freedom to laugh at some one when he/she makes a genuine attempt to make it reality. If you can help, please do, but at least do not laugh at people who are trying to help. Criticism is welcomed, if it is constructive. Pinch of salt and playing delivs advocate is helpful most times, but that doesn't mean you can undermine something which a whole bunch of people think would be beneficial if exists. end-of-my-thoughts. Thank you. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Serious e1000e driver issue in SLE 11 Beta 1
[snip] Subject Serious e1000e driver issue in SLE 11 Beta 1 Dear Partner and Beta Tester, the Intel e1000e driver on openSUSE 11.1 Beta 1 and SUSE Linux Enterprise 11 Beta 1 might have a serious issue with the potential to damage the network card in a way that it cannot be used any longer. [snip] The same bug has also been found with 2.6.27-rc kernel which is being made available with Intrepid. The problem has been reported to the bug squad and QA, while the kernel team has provided a kernel update with this driver removed. The following is the description of the issue as from Ubuntu Bugs team, In some circumstances it appears possible for the 2.6.27-rc kernels to corrupt the NVRAM used by some Intel network parts to store data such as MAC addresses. This is limited to the new e1000e driver, and reports have only appeared from users of 82566 and 82567 based LAN parts (ich8 and ich9) (to quote Intel). The reports seem to be isolated to laptops, but it is not clear if this is because desktop/server parts are not vulnerable, or if use cases simply increase the chances of laptop users being hit. Once this corruption has occurred, recovery may be possible via a BIOS update, but may well require replacement of the hardware. Use of Intel's IABUTIL.EXE is strongly discouraged, as it will worsen the problem to the point where the network part will no longer appear on the PCI bus. If you have any problem and need help, please poke people in #ubuntu-bugs to assistance. Thank you, Parthan SR http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] PGP and mailing lists
Puneet Lakhina wrote: My main reason for this newly accquired paranoia about email privacy is that I dont want my email admin to be reading my mails, even if they are to the mailing list. Is PGP the right thing for this? If you want people be not able to read your mails, then why send one to a mailing list at all? I thought mailing list were about sharing information, even in private ones it is sharing between a closed group of people. When you encrypt your mail and send it to a public mailing list, how does it serve the purpose? And, haven't seen a mailing list admin who sits and clears out every mail being sent to the list (as being one myself). They just moderate mails which look like spam or mails which are too big than the permitted size. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Notetakers Annotators in Linux
Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [snip] I use a paper pad - it is exactly like a real paper pad (in fact it *is* a real paper pad) - and I have enough kingfisher pens to last me a lifetime. How do you do backups Xerox copy? Carbon paper? ;) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [OT] the new blender movie is out
Hi all, Maybe we missed it in the commotion of a latest bollywood movie ;) , but still, Big Buck Bunny has been released a while ago and is available for download. http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/index.php/download/ Its a short-feature around 10 minutes long, but is pretty cool given the fact that it is released under a CC license. And quite obviously it was created using Blender[1]. AFAIK, the DVD set contains all .blend files and hence would be a perfect medium to showcase the capabilities of FOSS tools in Multimedia where it seems to lag behind a bit. Check out the .OGG video from the German server, others seem not to respond at the moment. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Ilug-cal-discuss] [OT] the new blender movie is out
shirish wrote: Hi all, It would be cool if people can distribute the movie alongwith some of the production files and artwork (.blend) so people can play with them. Even if people charge a reasonable something like 15-20 Rupees as replication charges its ok . They have released the .blend files AFAIH, check the DVD release which is supposed have them. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Re : New to Linux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 prabhat rishi wrote: Hi, Welcome to the world of Open Source. As a first exposure, you should start with RedHat. Once you familiar with the Operating System (linux) then based on your choice start working on different types of flavors. Eh? Or do you mean Fedora Core? Thanks, Prabhat B.E + RHCE (rel-5 Ah, now I understand why?! ;) - -- With Regards, Parthan aka Technofreak [GPG]:0x2FF01026 [web]:http://technofreak.in [blog]:blog.technofreak.in [photos]:photos.technofreak.in [irc]:teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net (#linux-india) [mobile]:BLR +919845446647 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHlrz9k4vYYS/wECYRAiycAJsHgFMp3Ax21H0GVfWX533hx8/sEwCfU8L5 LeFX+D4/ahsRVeLTOGtFwxk= =AhRM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] New to Linux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Siddharth Shekhar wrote: Hello,, I am a student and i want to expertise in LINUX as u all are. Welcome to the club! But need your help. Which Linux to install.. Which one is more suitable for beginner,, Sarcasm: Linux 2.6.22-14 or above Reply: Linux is the kernel. When we pack the kernel with all the utilities you need, we call it as a GNU/Linux Distribution. To know what's hot and what's not check this out, http://distrowatch.com/ Can u give me idea how to install it? I have my laptop wid Windows Xp installed in it. I want to use windows xp too not only linux. Every distribution has documentation and it surely will have one on how to install. The distribution I use has one, https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/index.html Installing Linux is not hard. Almost all distros have a nice GUI installer which will help you install with just some mouse clicks and typing. There are only a few steps where you have to be careful, especially when you want to dual boot with Windows as well. Read the docs, they will guide you. :) - -- With Regards, Parthan aka Technofreak [GPG]:0x2FF01026 [web]:http://technofreak.in [blog]:blog.technofreak.in [photos]:photos.technofreak.in [irc]:teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net (#linux-india) [mobile]:BLR +919845446647 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHkEvjk4vYYS/wECYRApGqAJ91w2hJbCbPoOOVEZmtiXqFSTHdJgCfT54U wx7IaECgcoMi2zulewvZRKE= =ruhS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] should the licenses be trivialised?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 shirish wrote: Just as a mailing list has the right to whom to give access to the mailing list who not I think its fair for a person to decide how whatever content s/he makes should be under some license or not. Agreed that whatever you write|do is attributed to do, but most things doesn't need an explicit attribution until you fear some one is going to steal it and take wrong credits for it. Surely nobody is going to say a mail written by you to be theirs. AFAIK one of the powers of the mailing list is attribution as to who said what, where, in what context,at what time. If I'm safe-guarding whatever I feel I have to contribute I don't think its trivializing any issue. Mailing list is not a place where you prove yourself to be right, its a place where you share your thoughts and experiences. Nobody is going to steal them at all. We are not meaning licensing the mail is wrong but we say it is just unnecessary as your mail are implicitly attributed to you, and you consciously know mailing list is a public interface and hence you need not explicitly specify a creative commons license to share it. - -- With Regards, Parthan aka Technofreak [web] http://technofreak.in [blog] blog.technofreak.in [photos] photos.technofreak.in [irc] teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net (#linux-india) [mobile] BLR +919845446647 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYm9Vk4vYYS/wECYRAuX1AJ4giTPli9aLV4hNhKWMZPwp6ICqowCdEr2a JjhN+H+4O0QkwctjKUQ9SWM= =vzYe -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [Fwd: [Ilugc] CFP - FOSS Conference '08]
, skits, dances ... with FOSS as the theme. Prizes will be given for the best performances 9. Sub-conferences and BOFs - these will largely be left to be organised by those who propose them. Facilities will be provided as needed. 10. Workshops for teachers and government employees will be organised by the conference organisers depending on demand. 11. The registration website will be up in a day or two. Kindly forward this CFP to all LUG, GLUG and FSUG mailing lists. [1] ILUGC : http://www.chennailug.org/ [2] NRC-FOSS: http://nrcfosshelpline.in/ Thanks, - -- Bharathi S ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc - -- With Regards, Parthan aka Technofreak [web] http://technofreak.in [blog] blog.technofreak.in [photos] photos.technofreak.in [irc] teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net (#linux-india) [mobile] BLR +919845446647 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHLv5Hk4vYYS/wECYRAgAoAJ98gmUVqFS3KL5HFPyQf0qaqUAB4gCffyxv wq1ERsM1F039pXXSWD5G3qg= =D+YO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Surjo Das wrote: Its not a question of addiction. It's a matter of habit. Gabbar Singh equates to Amjad Khan and not to Amitabh Bachchan what Ram Gopal Varma is trying to do. He's fighting a losing battle. I went OT here. But this is the best example I could think of as I am also a movie buff. If you can't imagine anyone else but Amjad Khan as Gabbar Singh, then try changing the world from Windows to Linux on the desktop. The server battle is already won. My head whirled a bit, I have no clue of these Hindi cinema stuffs, its way too [OT] for me. You are comparing a OS being marketed|sold by a company with all its evil monopolistic business attitudes to an OS which is there all due to the selfless contribution of the community. Though the fact remains that Windows still occupies 95% of the world desktop, the reason is not people themselves embraced it, rather due to the early successful monopolistic business tactics that Windows became a synonym for Computers with the end users. But when it comes to servers, the people who use them know how a server should be and were intelligent enough to select GNU/Linux over Windows, which was a right decision. But, in the desktop market, we were never interested in doing marketing for GNU/Linux. Remember, Windows is not a Free OS, even Free as in Free Beer. So M$ was the need to do marketing because they were getting loads of $$. I agree that Redhat and Novel do too, but still you have an army of Free GNU/Linux distributions available. I second Shakthi's opinion that if at all there were strict piracy rules in our country, we would have seen more people adopting GNU/Linux. We do not have more weightage when we say You have to pay for Windows, but GNU/Linux is free. Nobody ever paid for their Windows. How much time are we talking of here. Microsoft released Windows 95 in 1995. They predicted that all PC's will be manufactured with pre-loaded Windows. Now we are in 2007. Red Hat came out with their 6.2 version in 1999 if I am not mistaken. Everyone dubbed it as the best and stable release then. Improvements kept happening on that over a period of time. We are now in 2007. How much will it take to change things. Microsoft released Vista in January 2007. It is June now. All PC's that are coming out from factories have Vista on them or with a Vista ready sticker. If I have enough $$$ as Uncle Bill, I will buy at least half of those PCs coming out and install Ubuntu in them, and make sure things just work ;) But, what we have with us (I mean the FOSS community) is the passionate users who are ready to help one another. Do you know how many users moved to or atl east started trying GNU/Linux after the release of Vista ? Do you know how many Windows users are still sticking with their Windows XPs ? I end up my arguments here. We are going to go nowhere with just arguments. If you really care, join those passionate GNU/Linux users who try to spread the awareness amongst their friends and neighbors. That is how we can conquer the world. :) - -- With Regards - --- Parthan aka Technofreak [weblog] http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com [flickr] http://flickr.com/photos/techno_freak [irc] teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net (#linux-india) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGgNOtk4vYYS/wECYRArrFAJwLXSqkW+9GAyxqRghe/qvTDOpskQCghf7q JQ36WFlLPSpnV+Fhw+riLJ0= =lFq3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Microsoft Claims Vista Is More Secure Than Linux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Surjo Das wrote: It is a matter of choice of every individual user. Agreed! :) I am using Vista at home because my wife is familiar only with Windows. I didn't try to convert her to Linux as she has never heard of it. She heard it for the first time when I mentioned it to her. IMHO, there is never an option of conversion, there is either adoption or migration. And, people do not use GNU/Linux mainly because [1] They are not aware [2] They have not got the opportunity to try it [3] They need support to use it, especially when they encounter some problem. If you are a GNU/Linux user, you can very well help your wife in migration from Windows to GNU/Linux, but that is not going to happen in a day or a week, may be a month or two. I only reiterated the market reality. Microsoft has the desktop market already. If you happen to visit any middle class home who have a PC for their entertainment purpose, invariably you will find it loaded with Windows in at least 95% of the cases. On the server side, there are no doubts that Linux is a very strong player. This is because everything comes preloaded and people do not care much to find that there is an alternative. Also, they are not aware that they are actually paying for the Windows they get preloaded or the local assembler is using Pirated copies. I won't accept that people think GNU/Linux is not a match for Windows; I have installed and helped in migration of lot of my friends and they are now happy GNU/Linux users. Thanks to people like Dell, we have started to get the right kind of opportunity to go preloaded. Its we, GNU/Linux users have to take some responsibility in at least creating an awareness amongst our friends and relatives circle. - -- With Regards - --- Parthan aka Technofreak [weblog] http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com [flickr] http://flickr.com/photos/techno_freak [irc] teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net (#linux-india) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGgINhk4vYYS/wECYRAmb/AJ0dUhIIWrHC3aS6RzD93Sv8eV5/nwCfTBwE ObblgD2VFBKTsB+RIu7eIgc= =RjRh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [Fwd: [Ilugc] [Jobs] Openings at CollabNet]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - Original Message Subject: [Ilugc] [Jobs] Openings at CollabNet Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 22:56:39 -0700 From: Bhuvaneswaran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ILUG-C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ILUG-C [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, We have couple of openings in CollabNet Chennai office. 1) Subversion Developer Responsibilities: For Linux based developers, * Building GUI applications on Linux. For Windows developers, * Experience with Microsoft .NET and Windows APIs. * Experience building GUIs for Windows. * Experience working with client server applications in Windows. * Hands on experience in programming using TCP/IP on Windows will be an advantage. * Experience developing plug-ins for Microsoft Windows based applications. 2) Instantiation Engineer Instantiation Engineers work as part of our Operations Engineering team. They are responsible for creating and maintaining in-house tools, as well as implementing and upgrading customized installations of CollabNet Enterprise Edition and related product offerings. Instantiation Engineers regularly work with nearly every part of the application and every technology we use, rather than specializing in one area. It is critical that Instantiation Engineers have solid software engineering, architecture, and Unix-systems experience. Must be able to design implement and integrate subsystems as part of a large system. Must be able to work independently and in a team setting. Be able to articulate implementation issues to peers, management, and at cross-functional level. Must be able to evaluate alternative solutions from an implementation perspective. Must have excellent verbal and writing skills. Be able to propose solutions that may be outside of the specifications. Applicants with wide variety of technical experience on their resume are good candidates for this position. Education: + Bachelors' Degree in Computer Science and 4 to 6 years experience or equivalent Job requirements: + 5+ years experience with n-tier Web-based enterprise software + Strong background with Free/Open Source software and methodologies + Linux/Unix administration + Demonstrated scripting ability (Perl, Python, Ruby, etc.) + Web-based Application development using Java/J2EE technologies + Expertise with SQL and database servers (MySQL, Oracle, etc.) + Able to articulate test and use cases from customer functional requirements + Experience with installation and customization of Web-based enterprise products + Experience in data migration and software upgrades + Demonstrated ability to identify possible source of defects and issues + Strong multitasking ability + Demonstrated ability to jungle several activities at the same time and communicate status to others effectively. + Tomcat, JBoss, and CVS/Subversion experience preferred Responsibilities: + Work closely with peers to investigate, develop, package, test, and deliver custom tools + Develop and maintain one-off customisations to add value specific to one customers use of CollabNet products + Act as liaison to Professional Services group for customer specific work + Design and develop tools to address internal corporate needs + Coordinate activities with other Instantiation Engineers in multiple locations If you are interested and if your profile matches any of above job description, please forward your resume to Balaji [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Please specify [Ilugc] Position name (Ex: [Ilugc] Subversion Developer) in the email subject. PLEASE DO NOT FORWARD THEM TO ME. For more job openings at CollabNet, please refer to following web page: http://www.collab.net/about/careers/india_listings.html Thank you! - -- Regards, Bhuvaneswaran www.symonds.net/~bhuvan/ GPG: 0x7A13E5B0 ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc - -- With Regards - --- Parthan aka Technofreak [weblog] http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com [flickr] http://flickr.com/photos/techno_freak [irc] techno_freak @ irc.freenode.net (#linux-india) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGTVs/k4vYYS/wECYRAsH3AJ47ZE/pAST73cV1F2tE3iM7K2GcugCglYNP yPc3YeQ5FS0vVMnob8D0qgQ= =0hoE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] test ?!
Sumit Kumar wrote: ok Sumit, can I know what are you trying to do. There were a couple of blank mails, this one and one more just quoting another mail by some one else. Are trying to say some thing or playing some fun ? -- With Regards Parthan (TechnoFreak) . A Proud GNU/Linux User and Ubuntero .0. ..0 [Web] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Parthan 000 [Blog]http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [Annoncement] Ubuntu-India at Carte Blanche 2007
Hello LUGies, Its our great pleasure in announcing that Ubuntu-India Team will participate in Carte Blanche 2007 held at MIT Campus Chrompet on 3rd and 4th March 2007. We have got a stall for Ubtunu-India Team and have prepared banners and fliers about Ubuntu the Loco Team. We also plan to exhibit Ubuntu loaded computers as a hands-on system where visitors can have an Ubuntu experience. We also plan to display 3D desktop using Beryl. We hereby call for participation from all Ubunteros and Ubuntu fans, join our volunteers and help them display the power of the Ubuntu community and our favorite distribution. The stall will also serve the purpose of offering help and troubleshoot any of your Ubuntu related queries and assist you to enjoy the Ubuntu Linux experience. We will also try to make Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy CDs available for copies. We request those who are interested to get copies to bring Blank CDs (one CD per Ubuntu/Kubuntu) and get them burnt in the stall. We also thank the Carte Blanche Organizers for offering us a stall and hope we will get support from the community for Ubuntu-India Teams' endeavor on participating in a FOSS event like Carte Blanche. Thanks to the Ubuntu-India Team for all their support and contributions. We look forward to your continued support in all our further endeavors. For all further assistance and information regarding the Ubuntu-India stall please contact any of the following Ubunteros: [1] Baishampatan Ghose - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Ubuntu-India Loco Team Lead (Local Team Members at Chennai) [2] Aanjhan Ranganathan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** NA during the event [3] Parthan S R - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** NA during the event [4] Sudharshan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 9840904288 ** Will be incharge of the stall during the event, along with other volunteers [ We welcome the other volunteers for the Ubuntu-In stall to provide their contact details by updating this thread] All comments and suggestions are welcome from the community to make this event a grand success. Some Relayed Links: [1] Carte Blanche'07 - http://cs-mit.org/cb07/schedule.html [2] Ubuntu India Team Home/Wiki - http://ubuntu-in.org/wiki/Main_Page [3] Ubuntu India Loco Team - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianTeam [4] Ubuntu.com - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- With Regards Parthan (TechnoFreak) . A Proud GNU/Linux User and Ubuntero .0. ..0 [Web] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Parthan 000 [Blog]http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Invitation to FOSS Meet @ NITC 2007
Hi, Another chance for a get together for FOSS Community at National Institute of Technology, Calicut, Kerala. National Institute of Technology, Calicut will be hosting a three-day conference, pertaining to Free and Open Source Software, namely FOSS Meet @ NITC 2007, on 2nd, 3rd and 4th of March 2007 with theme We Engineer FOSS ! . The Meet will consist of Talks, BoFs, Workshops, Interactive sessions and Competitions from Core areas such dive into Kernel hacking, designing and creation of tools, softwares... using FOSS. The Honourable Chief Minister of Kerala Shri V S Achuthanandan, promoter of FOSS in Government of Kerala will be the chief guest for the meet. For more details and updates visit the foss meet website at http://www.foss.nitc.ac.in and wiki at http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Calicut/NIT/FOSS_Meet/07 This meet is organized by the GNU/Linux Users Group Calicut(GLUGC) in association with Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, Student Branch NIT Calicut [IEEE], Computer Society of India, Calicut Chapter [CSI], Computer Science and Engineering Association [CSEA] and all the volunteers from various walks of life. We invite all the enthusiasts to participate in one the Kerala's Biggest FOSS Meets. NOTE :: Participants and Volunteers are required to register online at the foss meet website Looking forward to your support and participation. -- With Regards Parthan (TechnoFreak) . A Proud GNU/Linux User and Ubuntero .0. ..0 [Web] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Parthan 000 [Blog]http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007
Janani Gopalakrishnan wrote: Who had the stalls next to Microsoft at LinuxAsia? Did they use it well? (Apologies, I couldn't attend LA as I was busy getting married, so somebody who attended please throw light on this!!) I don't know about who was next to M$'s stall, I know who was there opposite to it - it was us NRCFOSS. ;) so, now wasn't this a platform to show Vista and Red Hat/SUSE/BOSS or whatever distro you place your bet on right next to it... on both sides of Microsoft's booth... so, the users could have seen with their own eyes that Linux and OSS work just as well as the Microsoft products they are so used to? Why should some one put up a stall and show people about Vista - they have already (tried) seen it, and most of them came back to *pirated* windows XP. I personally dont believe in comparing GNU/Linux with Windows or even Mac. Some may argue that for an *end user* its all same, no they are not. Similar eye candies don't make them similar. Rather than expect everybody to understand, absorb and live by the principles of free and open source right in the beginning, first show them the produce! Show them that Linux and FOSS works not only for the geek but for the desktop user too, show them it works for businesses, show them it works just as well as what M$ sells. They will understand that Linux is 'free as in free beer' if they have bought their Windows for money. In a world where pirated stuff is common, we need philosophy more. Makes me wonder... M$ dared to bravely step into alien turf (well knowing that most attendees at LA are going to be Linux followers and not Microsoft fans... think, if somebody stood in front of the Microsoft stall and loudly argued with the rep there about the merits of Linux, how many people do you think would have objected... now, that's a hazard M$ could have faced), but we hesitate to give them a small place to stand in our ground? Nope. 1. In an Linux or OSS conference, you expect OSS products to be displayed. Not something which every one had been seeing it for years, having pirated copies in their homes. 2. They were tagged as 'Interoperability' partners and what people expected from them was some display of the same. Nobody expected Vista over there (though every one know thats all they can display in a M$ stall), including me. 3. We were too tempted to know what 'interoperability' they meant were all about, so we went to the M$ stall and enquired what they were having there for display on a Linux conference. The answer was we have a presentation running, you can see that. On the other hand, other stalls like Collabnet, Spike Source, Turbo Linux, etc were kind enough to explain in detail about their product, answer all queries and even open to some criticisms. The people posted at the M$ stall were not techies and were not even able to tell what they had displayed in their stall. We dont expect the reply check the power point presentation when some one eager enough to know something about their presence approaches. 4. Some (around 10) students, who were interacting in our stall, did ask me what M$ was doing in a Linux Conference and whether M$ had any Linux or Open Source products being displayed ? 5. We, all those who from the community has been talking against M$ participation in LA, are people who attend most of the other FOSS conferences. We think that FOSS conference is a place where we get introduced to, or improve our knowledge about FOSS. Where we can socialize within our community and where new endeavors begin. For that matter, foss.in was far better place for the FOSS community and if it is true that M$ really wanted to display their product in a Linux/FOSS Conference, it should have been Foss.in rather as there were more stalls for FOSS products and where a major portion of the community was present as well as many non-Indian FOSS Developers as well. -- With Regards Parthan (TechnoFreak) . A Proud GNU/Linux User and Ubuntero .0. ..0 [Web] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Parthan 000 [Blog]http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ILUGD functioning [WAS: Re: The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007]
Anupam Jain wrote: Being involved with ilugc for almost 3 years now, as both physical volunteer and active in mailing list, I just want to add some of our own experiences as a LUG. Every LUG can have two modes of operation which are vital to call it alive or dead - Digital and Physical. Digital activities include Mailing List (which is more or less mandatory) and a web site or wiki. Physical activities include monthly meets, seminars and workshops, etc. Considering mailing lists, its pretty much open to discussions. Though sometimes it gets personal, most times there are enough people and posts for both sides of the coin. But, as far as I have seen, participation in mailing list alone doesn't make one take decisions for a LUG. Although it is true that all people can not make themselves physically present in all the meets, at least they should be know to have attended a few. More physical participation you put, more your voices are heard. Though all issues are posted and discussed in mailing list, mostly whenever a concrete decision was required it was always through meets and physical participation. Decision making in mailing list has rather been ending up in a void state, without a concrete decision been reached mainly due to high volume counter-postings and flame wars. Sometimes we have had polls, example when we wanted to decide about reply-to munging for the mailing list. But, for physical activities it has always been through physical participations i.e. meets. Such meets are announced prior, those who are interested in decision making participate, those who are not in chennai do mail their voices before the meeting and the final decision is to the people who attend the meeting, mostly the most active 10-20 people of the LUG. I think, this is not much different from what have been happening in at least the other 2 LUGs i mentioned. Though Delhi LUG may be a registered body, still AFAIK follows a similar method where important decisions are taken through meetings and physical voting. -- With Regards Parthan (TechnoFreak) . A Proud GNU/Linux User and Ubuntero .0. ..0 [Web] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Parthan 000 [Blog]http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007
Anupam Jain wrote: I see nothing wrong with letting MS parade the choices it has for offer and us parading what we have. If MS pays us good money to hold such a showoff and that too *on our turf* then what is the problem? Why should MS parade its products on a conference named *Linux* Asia. Is it a conference like 'Computer Asia' or 'Technology Asia' or 'Software Asia' ? what products that MS exhibited there has relation to Linux. They are the first and biggest ones again Linux and what they are doing in a so called Linux Conf ? What interest does MS have in sponsoring a event which is all about something they think as their foremost threat to their future existence ? Why are we worried unless we believe that Vista is better than Linux and MS is better than FOSS and so on and so forth. Why you want to compare so crap with Linux ? And why should such things be displayed in a place which should have been all about Linux or at least something related to or connecting with Linux. But if this LUG boycotts a Linux event being organised by a company actively promoting Linux just because MS was allowed to make an appearance and put forward it's views, I have a right to be appalled. I am afraid that wasnt the only and the foremost reason. Please check Mr.Gora's reply in this thread to know the *real* reason for ilugd walking out. -- With Regards Parthan (TechnoFreak) . A Proud GNU/Linux User and Ubuntero .0. ..0 [Web] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Parthan 000 [Blog]http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007
Naresh Narang wrote: Hi there, 1. Why are we scared of Microsoft being there in the event? s/Scared/Pissed Off ;) 2. BTW as for the reason, Microsoft have their Linux infrastructure in house to work on and do research. They are taking on things that work in Linux and make changes to their own products. They may, but it doesn't mean they can show their proprietary product which can not run in Linux, that too in a Linux Conference. 3. By similar argument, why can't we take Linux in a .NET event to just show anything that works? Yes, taking that you do so - will you be showing .Net or rather Mono on Linux or Java in Linux ? If you are coming to a Linux conf, show/speak the same. It doesn't do much good, if we can't show TCO will be less with Linux. Be realistic, why many people are afraid to take on Linux ;) ahem! and.. you are mailing in a *Linux* user group's mailing list. -- With Regards Parthan (TechnoFreak) . A Proud GNU/Linux User and Ubuntero .0. ..0 [Web] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Parthan 000 [Blog]http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007
When we bagged the Microsoft deal--we knew that it was a strong acknowledgement of this fact especially w.r.t. India. Hence, we've always interpreted Microsoft's sponsorship as a strong acknowledgement of Linux/OSS. How does it gets proved they have acknowledged Linux/OSS for sponsoring for an event not attended my major portion of the FOSS community. How they displayed their acknowledgment ? a) Microsoft, due to its recent Novell deal, has entered the Linux terrain--though indirectly. Recently, it even sold Novell's Linux' Virtualisation Support to Walmart as part of a mega deal. If they were really interested in 'interoperability' or the acknowledgment you said above, they should have rather displayed such softwares in their stalls, at least put up a Suse Linux along with Vista and showed Samba Sharing ;) or if they have something similar on their side :P . Rather, they showed MS Vista and Office 2007. What's Vista and Office 2007 doing in a so called Linux Conference ? Also, we never expected Microsoft to promote open source at LA, but by being there and investing in an event that in turn promotes Linux/OSS--they did end up promoting the cause. When it is not expected to promote, then how come the 'acknowledgment' discussed above can be trusted ? adding to this, even if they are not going to promote it, what they offend it by putting up on display they products which are very much in opposition to two main OSS products - Linux and OO ? The CXOSummit was a major case in point, where we knew Frost Sullivan would table the TOC study, but advanced preparation and some great panellists ensured that Linux/OSS emerged stronger--and that infront of some of the leading CXOs of Delhi. (I hope a few members of the LUG were there at the CXOsummit, and can share their experience.) Ok, am not sure, but this is was I heard from some OSS passionates who were eager enough to check what the CXO was all about. They said M$ and Novell was literally hugging and kissing each other. The main question is why a company which opposes (F)OSS to the core, should participate and display their products which are almost rival to the product in the title of the conference. Really, I had at least heard half a dozen students questioning why did M$ was participating in a Linux conference ?! -- With Regards Parthan (TechnoFreak) . A Proud GNU/Linux User and Ubuntero .0. ..0 [Web] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Parthan 000 [Blog]http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
