Re: Best independent Apple forum

2010-10-07 Thread Robert MacLeay
On Oct 7, 5:29 am, Jonathan jonathan.newcas...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I signed up to Mac rumours. What a great place for sumbling upon
 information. But my god, what a bunch of zelots and time wasting
 trolls there are on there.

 I think it would be nieve of me to ask if there was another forum
 where people didn't troll about so much, treating their mac's like
 their own children.

It sounds as though you are a candidate for a moderated forum.

The only one I know of is at macintouch.com

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Re: Best independent Apple forum

2010-10-07 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Robert MacLeay rmacl...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Oct 7, 5:29 am, Jonathan jonathan.newcas...@googlemail.com wrote:
  I signed up to Mac rumours. What a great place for sumbling upon
  information. But my god, what a bunch of zelots and time wasting
  trolls there are on there.
 
  I think it would be nieve of me to ask if there was another forum
  where people didn't troll about so much, treating their mac's like
  their own children.

 It sounds as though you are a candidate for a moderated forum.

 The only one I know of is at macintouch.com


_

A lot of ad links and little forum input ?

Moderated it may be.

Also pretty sleepy.










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Re: PowerMac g4 450 dual core

2010-10-07 Thread Elliott Price
A while back on the G-Books forum, I believe, were some tips to get Youtube 
working on older G3 Powerbooks. I think some of those tips could work for you, 
too. There's a way to type in extra code to the navigation bar to force the 
video into a lower quality setting, and some other workarounds. Could be worth 
searching the Gbooks list archive for.


-Elliott





 Any soup-up suggestions to get YouTube done?
 

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Re: Best independent Apple forum

2010-10-07 Thread Jay Smith
Thanks guys, I will give the forum a look. 

I am just sick off the sheer number of pointless, snide comments on there. 
Mainly in this vein:

User : I can't get x to work because...

senior member : if you use it properly it WOULD work, dimbass newbie.

Why?! Just why?! 

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Re: 250GB HDD inside an iMac G4

2010-10-07 Thread Elliott Price
Looks like it shouldn't be a problem, providing you're running 10.2 or up.

From LEM (http://lowendmac.com/macdan/05/1024.html):

Big drives are supported under OS X 10.2 and later in iMac G4s, eMacs, 2001 
Quicksilver G4s,* 2002 Quicksilvers, and all later desktop Macs. All Titanium 
PowerBook G4 models with DVI video and all 15 and 17 Aluminum PowerBooks 
support big drives.

If, for some reason, it still doesn't work, you might consider getting an IDE 
to USB bridge, and using one of the newer Macs for formatting. These are fairly 
cheap, and very handy to have. 


-Elliott




On Oct 6, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Midnight rider wrote:

 Hello everyone, I recently randomly found a 250GB IDE drive in my basement, 
 and it works. I wanna know if i can put it in my iMac G4 without that 128GB 
 limit. If i partition it with x2 125GB partitions, will it work? Also, I 
 can't do that because I have no macs that are capable of using an HDD bigger 
 than a 128GB IDE, unless it's a SATA, and that's where my G5 iMac and macbook 
 pro come in.
 
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Re: Best independent Apple forum

2010-10-07 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Jay Smith jonathan.newcas...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks guys, I will give the forum a look.

 I am just sick off the sheer number of pointless, snide comments on there.
 Mainly in this vein:

 User : I can't get x to work because...

 senior member : if you use it properly it WOULD work, dimbass newbie.

 Why?! Just why?!

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Re: Best independent Apple forum

2010-10-07 Thread Steven
At least the Mac forums don't usually have tl;dr (at least I would hope not). 
There is almost nothing I find more annoying than someone who has nothing to 
add to a well thought out conversation (and is in fact too lazy to even bother 
to find out what the conversation is) posting a response telling the rest of 
the world that they have nothing to do with the conversation. Even more 
aggravating is the fact that they use such a short abbreviation. The least they 
could do is take the time to write I don't feel like reading all that or 
thinking up anything helpful, but I'm lonely and I feel like adding a comment 
anyway will somehow make me more important.

It's mostly things like that that keep me away from forums in general. Apart 
from the LEM lists and the comments sections of certain blogs, I don't bother 
with forums because there is so little real information and so much useless 
bickering.

Steven


On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Jay Smith wrote:

 I am just sick off the sheer number of pointless, snide comments on there. 
 Mainly in this vein:
 
 User : I can't get x to work because...
 
 senior member : if you use it properly it WOULD work, dimbass newbie.
 
 Why?! Just why?! 

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Re: Best independent Apple forum

2010-10-07 Thread Jay Smith
 
 It's so nice to see I am not alone. I would rant more, but it's 6:15 pm, and 
 I want to get home. I want to give them a pei e of my mind, but there is no 
 use in that 

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Re: Best independent Apple forum

2010-10-07 Thread Dan

At 7:39 PM +0100 10/1/2010, Jay Smith wrote:
There's just not the volume of info there, I have signed up to 
macroumours and it seems to be suitable, if a little too busy.


If y'all are looking for general info/news, then subscribe to some rss feeds.

If yer looking for technical support, then stick with LEM.  We cover 
all Macs and have a wide variety of members - newbies to experts.


WRT big forums... Be careful.  Bigger is not better.  Besides being 
web-based horribly slow and full of OT garbage, some general 
searching thru MacRumors forums today (to pick a victim) has 
certainly proven interesting.  I found some decent advice on using 
certain apps.  But when it comes to serious hardware and OS issues -- 
there's a lot of bad advice there (with noone correcting or disputing 
it) and very little that demonstrates expert knowledge of the OS 
guts, like we have here.


I'd like to see the LEM lists re-organized a bit, and the archives 
moved around so that they're more easily searchable.  But still, 
as-is, they work.  And I think the information  advice our members 
provide is of the highest quality...


FWIW,
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Re: i am locked out

2010-10-07 Thread Michael Shaw
Walter:

Could you do a close up (Command-Shift-4) screen shot of the drive icons
with the little locks in place and send it to me ??

Mike

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Walter Sheluk wshe...@shaw.ca wrote:

  Both of my External FireWire Drives were powered on and their icon's were
 on the desktop ( iMac/3.06GHz/Snow Leopard ) when i decided for some unknown
 reason to eject ( Command + I ) both drives to do a apple software
 update/installation.

 Upon restarting after the update was completed both external FireWired
 drives came back on the desktop BUT both had a small lock in the lower left
 hand corner of the drives icons.

 Those two drives can not be opened because the message is that i don't have
 permission to see the contents.

 Command+I  shows that i have Custom access. When I tried to change those
 settings they revert to Custom access. I ticked on the Ignore ownership
 on this volume but still locked out.

 I really need help because the alternative at this time is to erase and
 lose hours and hours of audio/video projects on one of the two drives.

 I have tried DiskWarrior 4.2, TechToolPro 5.x, Apple'sDiskUtility by
 repairing permissions, unplugged the fire wire cable and re-plugged the
 cable, powered off and back on. No luck at all.

 Is there any Utility or a terminal command to unlock those drives ?

 Suggestions/help required please.

 Walter

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Re: i am locked out

2010-10-07 Thread Tina K.

On 2010/10/06 07:49, Walter Sheluk wrote:

Both of my External FireWire Drives were powered on and their icon's
were on the desktop ( iMac/3.06GHz/Snow Leopard ) when i decided for
some unknown reason to eject ( Command + I ) both drives to do a apple
software update/installation.


I just experienced something very similar only it wasn't my external 
drives who's permissions got munged but my user folders - Desktop, 
Documents, Downloads, Dropbox, etc… Strangely Get Info yielded either 
You can read  write or You have custom permissions but no way to 
change them in the get info window, and the ones that were allegedly 
read write permissions would not let me actually write anything to the 
folder.


The custom permissions message was my tip off. I googled 'remove acl 
leopard' or something to that effect (ACL= access control list) and 
removed all acl's via Terminal. This corrected my permissions problem, 
but not until I had reboot.


FWIW, YMMV, ad nauseam.

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Re: Best independent Apple forum

2010-10-07 Thread Island Center for the Arts
I have found the Mac Support Central group to be very helpful (as  
well as this group).


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macsupportcentral/

Tom
On Oct 7, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Jonathan wrote:


Good lord!!

Feedback on this...

So I signed up to Mac rumours. What a great place for sumbling upon
information. But my god, what a bunch of zelots and time wasting
trolls there are on there.

I can expect, that every forum has its share, but this place is brim
full.

I loose my temper every day on there. I think I will just use it for
browsing from now on.

I think it would be nieve of me to ask if there was another forum
where people didn't troll about so much, treating their mac's like
their own children.

On 1 Oct, 19:39, Jay Smith jonathan.newcas...@googlemail.com wrote:
There's just not the volume of info there, I have signed up to  
macroumours and it seems to be suitable, if a little too busy.


Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Oct 2010, at 19:25, Judith Berkowitz sfjb...@mac.com wrote:




Jonathan wrote:
[snip]
Why would I look further than here? Well as I said, I am looking  
for
support not for my LEMs but in this case for my current gen imac  
and

powermac.



Thanks again everyone.


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Re: Best independent Apple forum

2010-10-07 Thread Tina K.

On 2010/10/07 05:29, Jonathan wrote:

I think it would be nieve of me to ask if there was another forum
where people didn't troll about so much, treating their mac's like
their own children.


http://forums.macnn.com

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Re: Best independent Apple forum

2010-10-07 Thread Tina K.

On 2010/10/07 08:30, Bruce Johnson wrote:

On Oct 7, 2010, at 4:29 AM, Jonathanjonathan.newcas...@googlemail.com  wrote:



  I think it would be nieve of me to ask if there was another forum
  where people didn't troll about so much, treating their mac's like
  their own children

There's a reason we're all still here after all these years.


This is a forum in the traditional sense of the word, but not so much in 
internet parlance. A mailing list tends to be more focused on a single 
general topic, iMacs in this case though it seems to have loosened up 
from just a few years ago, whereas forums are more generally focused 
places where one can post not only on topic but things such as jokes, 
videos, images and discuss topics outside of the primary topic such as 
current events.


So in my eyes anyway they are two different animals. Having said that I 
prefer LEM lists to the vast majority of forums. I can do without the 
chaos just fine.


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New HD for my iMac (addendumb)

2010-10-07 Thread Paul Stamsen
I've been looking for a new hard drive for our iMac.

 So far I've seen several 2 Tb models at $109, some even shipped.  Anyone have
recommendations for the best brands?

 Last thing I need to do is spend the money, installing a badly-made HD!!


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Re: New HD for my iMac (addendumb)

2010-10-07 Thread Elliott Price
WD is very good, I would avoid Seagate; they have certain lines of drives that 
tend to fail. The smaller companies (Hitachi, Samsug, etc.) can sometimes be 
OK, but I would definitely recommend WD. From my experience they're the most 
reliable drives. 


-Elliott




 I've been looking for a new hard drive for our iMac.
 
 So far I've seen several 2 Tb models at $109, some even shipped.  Anyone have
 recommendations for the best brands?
 
 Last thing I need to do is spend the money, installing a badly-made HD!!
 
 
 Thanks,
 
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You need to restart your computer

2010-10-07 Thread Drew Anderson

 Hello All,

   Yesterday I got the kernel panic message, You need to restart your 
computer. Hold down the power button for several seconds or press the 
restart button (in 4 languages) on my 1.3 Ghz eMac G4. I've been 
getting that A LOT on my iBook G4, and a few times on my Sawtooth G4. 
All running OS 10.4.11. It just seems a wee odd that 3 computers would 
all start doing that *AFTER Apple announced they no longer support Tiger.


   On the Sawtooth, one of the memory banks had mis-matched memory 
sticks. The other was matched. I pulled the mis-matched sticks  so far 
I haven't seen the message there since. (knock on plastic)


   The eMac though, uses a single memory stick expansion (If I'm 
remembering correctly) The iBook, definitely uses a single memory stick.


Any ideas what to do here?

Cheers,
Drew

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Re: You need to restart your computer

2010-10-07 Thread Midnight rider
The only time i ever got a You need to restart your computer message in 4
different languages message was when I used to install Jaguar in my sawtooth
in the old days but instead of using a retail disk i used a powerbook G4
disk. Check to make sure that there are no hardware/software problems with
all 3 machines, and that there are no FREQUENCIES running around back at
your place that could be interfering with the processor.

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Re: Best independent Apple forum

2010-10-07 Thread Jay Smith
Thanks for the suggestions and opinions. 

I do like to browse, it's as informative as a magazine, but free. I sift 
through the bits I don't like and read those I do. So m rumours is good for 
discovering, but if I need help, I know to come here! 




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Re: You need to restart your computer

2010-10-07 Thread John McClernan

That's called a kernel panic.


On Oct 7, 2010, at 5:35 PM, Midnight rider wrote:

The only time i ever got a You need to restart your computer  
message in 4 different languages message was when I used to install  
Jaguar in my sawtooth in the old days but instead of using a retail  
disk i used a powerbook G4 disk. Check to make sure that there are  
no hardware/software problems with all 3 machines, and that there  
are no FREQUENCIES running around back at your place that could be  
interfering with the processor.


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Re: You need to restart your computer

2010-10-07 Thread Midnight rider
I know what a KP is, i have been using OS X since it came out.

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Re: You need to restart your computer

2010-10-07 Thread Jonathan
As a engineer, I find Samsung to be at the bottom of the pile with the
most fails.  WD at the top of the pile.

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Re: i am locked out

2010-10-07 Thread gifutiger
Greetings Walter,

I think your problem is ownership!
Select each drive and then using the drop-down menu get info for all
of your drives.
When that information appears on the desktop, near the bottom is
Sharing  Permissions
Make sure that the pointer is pointing down, exposing the contained
information.
Then make the information for the Locked Disk's the same as your
main boot disk.
Under no circumstance select the the drop-down menu Apply to enclosed
items

You will need to unlock the Sharing  Permissions to make any
changes.


Cheers

Harry
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On Oct 6, 6:49 am, Walter Sheluk wshe...@shaw.ca wrote:
   Both of my External FireWire Drives were powered on and their icon's
 were on the desktop ( iMac/3.06GHz/Snow Leopard ) when i decided for
 some unknown reason to eject ( Command + I ) both drives to do a apple
 software update/installation.

 Upon restarting after the update was completed both external FireWired
 drives came back on the desktop BUT both had a small lock in the lower
 left hand corner of the drives icons.

 Those two drives can not be opened because the message is that i don't
 have permission to see the contents.

 Command+I  shows that i have Custom access. When I tried to change
 those settings they revert to Custom access. I ticked on the Ignore
 ownership on this volume but still locked out.

 I really need help because the alternative at this time is to erase and
 lose hours and hours of audio/video projects on one of the two drives.

 I have tried DiskWarrior 4.2, TechToolPro 5.x, Apple'sDiskUtility by
 repairing permissions, unplugged the fire wire cable and re-plugged the
 cable, powered off and back on. No luck at all.

 Is there any Utility or a terminal command to unlock those drives ?

 Suggestions/help required please.

 Walter

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Improving DVD playback

2010-10-07 Thread Jonathan
Hello again peoples!

I was wondering if there was a way of improving the quality of dvd
playback on my 27 imac (long shot,I know)

Sitting at the desk, the size of the screen doth result in a rather
pixelated experience.

I am using iDVD.

Is there third party software that improves quality or perhaps a
settings tweek?

Please don't suggest I sit further away, lol. My question might seem
dumb, but really, I am not thick! lol

Cheers!

J

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Re: Improving DVD playback

2010-10-07 Thread Elliott Price
Agreed. BluRay movies are at 1080p, and even though the 27 iMac is a lot 
higher resolution then 1080p, it'll be way better then what's probably 480i or 
even 720i coming off of a DVD. Other then that... Sit farther away... ? There's 
not much you can do. It's the video quality burned on the DVD that's the 
limiting factor. 


-Elliott




On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Ashgrove wrote:

 or get an external
 BlueRay player.

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Re: Improving DVD playback

2010-10-07 Thread Jonathan

Cheers

I would tweek the res, but i am doing other things on the desktop at
the same time. Maybe apple should tone down on the huge screens!

I have VLC, but was hoping for a more integrated experience, but what
the hell, i will try it.

As far as Blu ray is concerned, I have read um's and ah's about it.
Whats the craic with an external blu ray drive? Will this really give
me 1080p, proper blu ray playback? Any catches?

thanks again

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Re: Improving DVD playback

2010-10-07 Thread Robert MacLeay
On Oct 7, 4:01 pm, Jonathan jonathan.newcas...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I was wondering if there was a way of improving the quality of dvd
 playback on my 27 imac (long shot,I know)

 Sitting at the desk, the size of the screen doth result in a rather
 pixelated experience.

 I am using iDVD.

In a word, no.

The resolution of the DVD format is about 1/6 that of your iMac's
screen. You cannot blow up an image that much without losing
sharpness; the information needed simply isn't stored in the file.

The best compromise is to play your material back at 200% of actual
size. (This will leave big black bars on all four sides.)

You CAN use high-definition in iMovie or Final Cut (if your source
material is HD), but you lose the HD when you export to conventional
DVD movie format.

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Re: i am locked out

2010-10-07 Thread gifutiger
Greetings Tina,

WOW removing all 'ACL's may not be the best thing to do, i.e.

Technically seen, an ACL is a list of individual rights which can be
attached to a file system object. The ACL can either be empty -in this
case, only the conventional POSIX permissions apply-, or it can
contain one or more objects called Access Control Entries (ACEs). An
Access Control Entry includes the following information:

to which users does this entry apply (this can be an individual user
or a user group)?
does this entry allow or deny access?
which right in particular is allowed or denied, respectively?
how should this entry be inherited from a folder to the contents of
this folder?


So what you've done is made all files and application available to all
users that can log into your platform.



If you were unable to make changes in the get info window then you
were not logged in as the platform owner.
As the owner has all privileges.

Or sometime you may not be able to make direct changes but need to
either add or delete one or more of those listed in the ownership
listing. If your log-in name isn't listed then you need to touch the +
button and add your name. If you are able to unlock the lock then you
should have privileges to add users.

The important thing is to make the Ownership of the locked disks the
same as the disk that you are logged as that is your main access
point.


Cheers

Harry
San Jose, Ca
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On Oct 6, 9:16 am, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2010/10/06 07:49, Walter Sheluk wrote:

  Both of my External FireWire Drives were powered on and their icon's
  were on the desktop ( iMac/3.06GHz/Snow Leopard ) when i decided for
  some unknown reason to eject ( Command + I ) both drives to do a apple
  software update/installation.

 I just experienced something very similar only it wasn't my external
 drives who's permissions got munged but my user folders - Desktop,
 Documents, Downloads, Dropbox, etc… Strangely Get Info yielded either
 You can read  write or You have custom permissions but no way to
 change them in the get info window, and the ones that were allegedly
 read write permissions would not let me actually write anything to the
 folder.

 The custom permissions message was my tip off. I googled 'remove acl
 leopard' or something to that effect (ACL= access control list) and
 removed all acl's via Terminal. This corrected my permissions problem,
 but not until I had reboot.

 FWIW, YMMV, ad nauseam.

 Tina

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Re: i am locked out

2010-10-07 Thread Walter Sheluk

 On 10-10-07 4:00 PM, gifutiger wrote:

Cheers

Harry
San Jose, Ca.
Thanks: i've tried that but as soon as i close the window it goes back 
to custom.
The drive that contains all my audio/video productions is at the Apple 
Hospital.

Please send best wishes.

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Re: i am locked out

2010-10-07 Thread Jim Emery
Hi Walter,

Tina is correct.  If the permissions in the Get Info window appear as custom, 
this indicates that ACLs are in effect.  You can check this in the Terminal 
using the following commands:

cd /Volumes
ls -le

Access Control Lists provide more granular control of permissions than POSIX 
permissions.   Clearing ACLs is one of Apple's suggested methods for file 
system troubleshooting.
   
On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:20 PM, gifutiger wrote:

 Greetings Tina,
 
 WOW removing all 'ACL's may not be the best thing to do, i.e.
 
 Technically seen, an ACL is a list of individual rights which can be
 attached to a file system object. The ACL can either be empty -in this
 case, only the conventional POSIX permissions apply-, or it can
 contain one or more objects called Access Control Entries (ACEs). An
 Access Control Entry includes the following information:
 
 to which users does this entry apply (this can be an individual user
 or a user group)?
 does this entry allow or deny access?
 which right in particular is allowed or denied, respectively?
 how should this entry be inherited from a folder to the contents of
 this folder?
 
 
 So what you've done is made all files and application available to all
 users that can log into your platform.
 
 

Clearing ACLs will not make all files and applications available to all users 
that can log onto you platform.  Clearing ACLs still leaves POSIX permissions 
in effect.


 If you were unable to make changes in the get info window then you
 were not logged in as the platform owner.
 As the owner has all privileges.
 
 Or sometime you may not be able to make direct changes but need to
 either add or delete one or more of those listed in the ownership
 listing. If your log-in name isn't listed then you need to touch the +
 button and add your name. If you are able to unlock the lock then you
 should have privileges to add users.
 
 The important thing is to make the Ownership of the locked disks the
 same as the disk that you are logged as that is your main access
 point.
 

ACLs cannot be defined or altered in the Finder.  Trying to change the 
permissions of files and folders with ACLs set will result in exactly what you 
experienced.  To remove ACLs, you need to use the terminal.  They can be 
removed on individual files or folders as well as recursively.  Details can be 
found in Mac OS X Support Essentials:

http://books.google.com/books?id=iAwgbkQeZYQCpg=PA246lpg=PA246dq=apple.com:+clearing+aclssource=blots=WoZb6hvb7psig=oK5vLbu4zbWCx4Uwtf_Z6sQ2DxMhl=enei=UY-uTMnROIW6sQO7ktH9Awsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=5ved=0CCYQ6AEwBA#v=onepageqf=false

I believe you said the drives were at the Apple Store.  I suspect they will 
clear ACLs on the external disks to resolve the issue.  I will be curious to 
hear what they say.

Jim




 
 Cheers
 
 Harry
 San Jose, Ca
 ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?º?ø
 
 
 On Oct 6, 9:16 am, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2010/10/06 07:49, Walter Sheluk wrote:
 
 Both of my External FireWire Drives were powered on and their icon's
 were on the desktop ( iMac/3.06GHz/Snow Leopard ) when i decided for
 some unknown reason to eject ( Command + I ) both drives to do a apple
 software update/installation.
 
 I just experienced something very similar only it wasn't my external
 drives who's permissions got munged but my user folders - Desktop,
 Documents, Downloads, Dropbox, etc… Strangely Get Info yielded either
 You can read  write or You have custom permissions but no way to
 change them in the get info window, and the ones that were allegedly
 read write permissions would not let me actually write anything to the
 folder.
 
 The custom permissions message was my tip off. I googled 'remove acl
 leopard' or something to that effect (ACL= access control list) and
 removed all acl's via Terminal. This corrected my permissions problem,
 but not until I had reboot.
 
 FWIW, YMMV, ad nauseam.
 
 Tina
 

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Re: i am locked out

2010-10-07 Thread Walter Sheluk

 Thanks Jim.

On 10-10-07 9:47 PM, Jim Emery wrote:

Hi Walter,

Tina is correct.  If the permissions in the Get Info window appear as 
custom, this indicates that ACLs are in effect.  You can check this in 
the Terminal using the following commands:


cd /Volumes
ls -le

Access Control Lists provide more granular control of permissions than 
POSIX permissions.   Clearing ACLs is one of Apple's suggested methods 
for file system troubleshooting.

On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:20 PM, gifutiger wrote:


Greetings Tina,

WOW removing all 'ACL's may not be the best thing to do, i.e.

Technically seen, an ACL is a list of individual rights which can be
attached to a file system object. The ACL can either be empty -in this
case, only the conventional POSIX permissions apply-, or it can
contain one or more objects called Access Control Entries (ACEs). An
Access Control Entry includes the following information:

to which users does this entry apply (this can be an individual user
or a user group)?
does this entry allow or deny access?
which right in particular is allowed or denied, respectively?
how should this entry be inherited from a folder to the contents of
this folder?


So what you've done is made all files and application available to all
users that can log into your platform.




Clearing ACLs will not make all files and applications available to 
all users that can log onto you platform.  Clearing ACLs still leaves 
POSIX permissions in effect.




If you were unable to make changes in the get info window then you
were not logged in as the platform owner.
As the owner has all privileges.

Or sometime you may not be able to make direct changes but need to
either add or delete one or more of those listed in the ownership
listing. If your log-in name isn't listed then you need to touch the +
button and add your name. If you are able to unlock the lock then you
should have privileges to add users.

The important thing is to make the Ownership of the locked disks the
same as the disk that you are logged as that is your main access
point.



ACLs cannot be defined or altered in the Finder.  Trying to change the 
permissions of files and folders with ACLs set will result in exactly 
what you experienced.  To remove ACLs, you need to use the terminal. 
 They can be removed on individual files or folders as well as 
recursively.  Details can be found in Mac OS X Support Essentials:


http://books.google.com/books?id=iAwgbkQeZYQCpg=PA246lpg=PA246dq=apple.com:+clearing+aclssource=blots=WoZb6hvb7psig=oK5vLbu4zbWCx4Uwtf_Z6sQ2DxMhl=enei=UY-uTMnROIW6sQO7ktH9Awsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=5ved=0CCYQ6AEwBA#v=onepageqf=false 
http://books.google.com/books?id=iAwgbkQeZYQCpg=PA246lpg=PA246dq=apple.com:+clearing+aclssource=blots=WoZb6hvb7psig=oK5vLbu4zbWCx4Uwtf_Z6sQ2DxMhl=enei=UY-uTMnROIW6sQO7ktH9Awsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=5ved=0CCYQ6AEwBA#v=onepageqf=false


I believe you said the drives were at the Apple Store.  I suspect they 
will clear ACLs on the external disks to resolve the issue.  I will be 
curious to hear what they say.


Jim






Cheers

Harry
San Jose, Ca
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On Oct 6, 9:16 am, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote:

On 2010/10/06 07:49, Walter Sheluk wrote:


Both of my External FireWire Drives were powered on and their icon's
were on the desktop ( iMac/3.06GHz/Snow Leopard ) when i decided for
some unknown reason to eject ( Command + I ) both drives to do a apple
software update/installation.


I just experienced something very similar only it wasn't my external
drives who's permissions got munged but my user folders - Desktop,
Documents, Downloads, Dropbox, etc… Strangely Get Info yielded either
You can read  write or You have custom permissions but no way to
change them in the get info window, and the ones that were allegedly
read write permissions would not let me actually write anything to the
folder.

The custom permissions message was my tip off. I googled 'remove acl
leopard' or something to that effect (ACL= access control list) and
removed all acl's via Terminal. This corrected my permissions problem,
but not until I had reboot.

FWIW, YMMV, ad nauseam.

Tina



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