RE: [info-tech] Electronic Devices

2010-04-01 Thread McKenney, Kurt
Porn?

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[mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Karl Hehr
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 4:57 PM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: Re: [info-tech] Electronic Devices


Here's a novel idea, don't block them and  embrace the technology the  
kid is bringing into the building.

Karl H. Hehr
Technology/Curriculum Director
South Hamilton CSD
www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us
515.827.5418 (W)
515.209.9767 (C)
515.827.5368 (F)


Luddite by Degrees
1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and  
ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and  
exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of  
things

--- Douglas Adams




On Mar 31, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Richardson,Tony wrote:

 The only real way to fix the little iPod buggers is to employ a NAC
 device to keep them off of your network to begin with. One that looks
 good is the Veri-NAC from Black Box http://www.blackbox.com/


 -Original Message-
 From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us
 [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Karl Hehr
 Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:08 PM
 To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
 Subject: Re: [info-tech] Electronic Devices


 What kind of filter are you using. Our sonicwall filters all internet
 traffic regardless of what type of hardware it is. The only thing I
 have no control over (filter wise) is cellphones using their data
 connections.

 Karl H. Hehr
 Technology/Curriculum Director
 South Hamilton CSD
 www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us
 515.827.5418 (W)
 515.209.9767 (C)
 515.827.5368 (F)


 Luddite by Degrees
 1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and
 ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
 2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and
 exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
 3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of
 things
   
 --- Douglas Adams




 On Mar 31, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Mitch Mueller wrote:

 Looking for some good advice from you smarter than myself.  We are
 trying to
 block the student iPod Touch's from being able to get to facebook and
 myspace and ect.  If someone can help me with that, that would be
 great.

 Also if you would be willing to share your electronic device policy
 that
 your school has could you please email it to me personally at
 mmuel...@emmetsburg.k12.ia.us or you can post it on the info-tech
 list if
 you would like.

 But my big thing is blocking them sites on iPod touch's.

 Thanks
 Mitch Mueller
 Emmetsburg CSD



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RE: [info-tech] Electronic Devices

2010-04-01 Thread Jackie Fonley
I am sure this dicussion could go on forever . . .  and since I'm on vaca. 
enjoying a cup of coffee and doing little to nothing, I might as well take 
the opportunity to offer my two cents.
:-)

I think there is a need for balance; however I strongly believe in the 
concept of teaching people to be responsible users of technology.  Surely 
this is some type of 21st Centrury Skill -- especially as we look at 
developing students to enter the workforce?  Studies have shown that places 
that allow cell phone usage in the classrooms -- with guidelines and 
expectations -- really have fewer problems than those of us who ban their 
use.  These are devices --wireless and data -- that students aready carry 
on them. Especially in times of financial situations we are in -- shouldn't 
we be finding ways to embrace this, and establish guidelines -vs- our time 
spent on how not to allow it and ban it?  Staff need to be trained and 
guided on how to use these devices in the classroom.  Students need to be 
trained on appropriate use during school hours.  To assume it's all bad and 
nobody will use it correctly - not sure if I agree with that either.  We 
often assume everyone knows these things, and well, we know what happens 
when one assumes.  ** At this point, I will interject, yes, we still have 
cell phone bans, although some teachers have taken the initiative to 
allow these to be used in the classrroom periodically with good results.  I 
am hoping part of out tech focus on PD next year will be allowing and using 
these devices. . .   and how,in turn, teachers can teach students 
appropriate usage of these devices.

These would be discussions and brainstorming sessions that I would love to 
be a part of with my technology peers at a possible future technology round 
table for a tech. mtg.  We all don't have to leave agreeing, but as 
technology leaders in our schools, and the area, wouldn't it be great to 
discuss ways we use this, problems we encounter,  possible problems and 
solutions, etc.?

Have a blessed Easter, everyone!
Jackie 


[info-tech] Electronic Devices

2010-03-31 Thread Mitch Mueller
Looking for some good advice from you smarter than myself.  We are trying to
block the student iPod Touch's from being able to get to facebook and
myspace and ect.  If someone can help me with that, that would be great.

Also if you would be willing to share your electronic device policy that
your school has could you please email it to me personally at
mmuel...@emmetsburg.k12.ia.us or you can post it on the info-tech list if
you would like.  

But my big thing is blocking them sites on iPod touch's.

Thanks
Mitch Mueller
Emmetsburg CSD



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RE: [info-tech] Electronic Devices

2010-03-31 Thread Richardson,Tony
Do you have the MAC addresses of those iPod touches? You could try
setting up a bogus DHCP Scope that goes nowhere and entering them as
reservations. I created a DHCP Scope I call the Dead Zone and added a
few as reservations. Your DNS should give you the MAC address of those
units.

Of course if they are able to self assign their IP your in trouble.
Seems to work. Otherwise I am clueless.

-Original Message-
From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us
[mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Mitch Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:47 PM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: [info-tech] Electronic Devices


Looking for some good advice from you smarter than myself.  We are
trying to
block the student iPod Touch's from being able to get to facebook and
myspace and ect.  If someone can help me with that, that would be great.

Also if you would be willing to share your electronic device policy that
your school has could you please email it to me personally at
mmuel...@emmetsburg.k12.ia.us or you can post it on the info-tech list
if
you would like.  

But my big thing is blocking them sites on iPod touch's.

Thanks
Mitch Mueller
Emmetsburg CSD



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RE: [info-tech] Electronic Devices

2010-03-31 Thread Richardson,Tony
Oops my mistake... if you are Windows based use GETMAC or NBTSTAT to
help identify the MAC address once you find the IP in DNS

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From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us
[mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Richardson,Tony
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:53 PM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: RE: [info-tech] Electronic Devices


Do you have the MAC addresses of those iPod touches? You could try
setting up a bogus DHCP Scope that goes nowhere and entering them as
reservations. I created a DHCP Scope I call the Dead Zone and added a
few as reservations. Your DNS should give you the MAC address of those
units.

Of course if they are able to self assign their IP your in trouble.
Seems to work. Otherwise I am clueless.

-Original Message-
From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us
[mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Mitch Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:47 PM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: [info-tech] Electronic Devices


Looking for some good advice from you smarter than myself.  We are
trying to
block the student iPod Touch's from being able to get to facebook and
myspace and ect.  If someone can help me with that, that would be great.

Also if you would be willing to share your electronic device policy that
your school has could you please email it to me personally at
mmuel...@emmetsburg.k12.ia.us or you can post it on the info-tech list
if
you would like.  

But my big thing is blocking them sites on iPod touch's.

Thanks
Mitch Mueller
Emmetsburg CSD



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Re: [info-tech] Electronic Devices

2010-03-31 Thread Karl Hehr
What kind of filter are you using. Our sonicwall filters all internet  
traffic regardless of what type of hardware it is. The only thing I  
have no control over (filter wise) is cellphones using their data  
connections.


Karl H. Hehr
Technology/Curriculum Director
South Hamilton CSD
www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us
515.827.5418 (W)
515.209.9767 (C)
515.827.5368 (F)


Luddite by Degrees
1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and  
ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and  
exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of  
things


--- Douglas Adams




On Mar 31, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Mitch Mueller wrote:

Looking for some good advice from you smarter than myself.  We are  
trying to

block the student iPod Touch's from being able to get to facebook and
myspace and ect.  If someone can help me with that, that would be  
great.


Also if you would be willing to share your electronic device policy  
that

your school has could you please email it to me personally at
mmuel...@emmetsburg.k12.ia.us or you can post it on the info-tech  
list if

you would like.

But my big thing is blocking them sites on iPod touch's.

Thanks
Mitch Mueller
Emmetsburg CSD



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RE: [info-tech] Electronic Devices

2010-03-31 Thread McKenney, Kurt
Ok, first identify what you are wanting...
 
Cheap
 
Fast
 
Good
 
Pick two of the above.
 
Cheap and good would be blocking everything but your own equipment from 
accessing the wireless network by MAC address or other means.
 
Cheap and fast would be running something like openDNS and using their 
filtering.
 
Fast and Good would be installing a content filtering Firewall.
 
You get the idea.



From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us on behalf of Mitch Mueller
Sent: Wed 3/31/2010 12:46 PM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: [info-tech] Electronic Devices




Looking for some good advice from you smarter than myself.  We are trying to
block the student iPod Touch's from being able to get to facebook and
myspace and ect.  If someone can help me with that, that would be great.

Also if you would be willing to share your electronic device policy that
your school has could you please email it to me personally at
mmuel...@emmetsburg.k12.ia.us or you can post it on the info-tech list if
you would like. 

But my big thing is blocking them sites on iPod touch's.

Thanks
Mitch Mueller
Emmetsburg CSD



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winmail.dat

RE: [info-tech] Electronic Devices

2010-03-31 Thread Mitch Mueller
Well we use Lightspeed TTC for our content filter but it doesn't seem to
block it.

 

  _  

From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us]
On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:26 PM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: RE: [info-tech] Electronic Devices

 

Ok, first identify what you are wanting...

 

Cheap

 

Fast

 

Good

 

Pick two of the above.

 

Cheap and good would be blocking everything but your own equipment from
accessing the wireless network by MAC address or other means.

 

Cheap and fast would be running something like openDNS and using their
filtering.

 

Fast and Good would be installing a content filtering Firewall.

 

You get the idea.

 

  _  

From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us on behalf of Mitch Mueller
Sent: Wed 3/31/2010 12:46 PM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: [info-tech] Electronic Devices

 

Looking for some good advice from you smarter than myself.  We are trying to
block the student iPod Touch's from being able to get to facebook and
myspace and ect.  If someone can help me with that, that would be great.

Also if you would be willing to share your electronic device policy that
your school has could you please email it to me personally at
mmuel...@emmetsburg.k12.ia.us or you can post it on the info-tech list if
you would like. 

But my big thing is blocking them sites on iPod touch's.

Thanks
Mitch Mueller
Emmetsburg CSD



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RE: [info-tech] Electronic Devices

2010-03-31 Thread Murphy, Mark
You can only control your network and Lightspeed does block facebook
 
There are several ways to skin that cat.
 
Since you are trying to block devices connecting to your wireless
network you can block by IP range.
 
Under the Policies tab in Policy Assignments you can enter a IP range
and assign a content filter policy that blocks the
forum-social_networking category or where ever to have put facebook
 
Depending on your content filter policy you will have to make sure to
block non http protocols to blocked categories this will stop student
and staff from using https to login to facebook
 
There is going to be a Lightspeed training course in Jefferson this
summer
 
Mark Murphy
 
 

-Original Message-
From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us
[mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Mitch Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:25 PM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: RE: [info-tech] Electronic Devices



Well we use Lightspeed TTC for our content filter but it doesn't
seem to block it.

 





From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us
[mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:26 PM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: RE: [info-tech] Electronic Devices

 

Ok, first identify what you are wanting...

 

Cheap

 

Fast

 

Good

 

Pick two of the above.

 

Cheap and good would be blocking everything but your own
equipment from accessing the wireless network by MAC address or other
means.

 

Cheap and fast would be running something like openDNS and using
their filtering.

 

Fast and Good would be installing a content filtering Firewall.

 

You get the idea.

 





From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us on behalf of Mitch Mueller
Sent: Wed 3/31/2010 12:46 PM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: [info-tech] Electronic Devices

 

Looking for some good advice from you smarter than myself.  We
are trying to
block the student iPod Touch's from being able to get to
facebook and
myspace and ect.  If someone can help me with that, that would
be great.

Also if you would be willing to share your electronic device
policy that
your school has could you please email it to me personally at
mmuel...@emmetsburg.k12.ia.us or you can post it on the
info-tech list if
you would like. 

But my big thing is blocking them sites on iPod touch's.

Thanks
Mitch Mueller
Emmetsburg CSD



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RE: [info-tech] Electronic Devices

2010-03-31 Thread Richardson,Tony
The only real way to fix the little iPod buggers is to employ a NAC
device to keep them off of your network to begin with. One that looks
good is the Veri-NAC from Black Box http://www.blackbox.com/


-Original Message-
From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us
[mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Karl Hehr
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:08 PM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: Re: [info-tech] Electronic Devices


What kind of filter are you using. Our sonicwall filters all internet  
traffic regardless of what type of hardware it is. The only thing I  
have no control over (filter wise) is cellphones using their data  
connections.

Karl H. Hehr
Technology/Curriculum Director
South Hamilton CSD
www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us
515.827.5418 (W)
515.209.9767 (C)
515.827.5368 (F)


Luddite by Degrees
1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and  
ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and  
exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of  
things

--- Douglas Adams




On Mar 31, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Mitch Mueller wrote:

 Looking for some good advice from you smarter than myself.  We are  
 trying to
 block the student iPod Touch's from being able to get to facebook and
 myspace and ect.  If someone can help me with that, that would be  
 great.

 Also if you would be willing to share your electronic device policy  
 that
 your school has could you please email it to me personally at
 mmuel...@emmetsburg.k12.ia.us or you can post it on the info-tech  
 list if
 you would like.

 But my big thing is blocking them sites on iPod touch's.

 Thanks
 Mitch Mueller
 Emmetsburg CSD



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Re: [info-tech] Electronic Devices

2010-03-31 Thread Karl Hehr
Here's a novel idea, don't block them and  embrace the technology the  
kid is bringing into the building.


Karl H. Hehr
Technology/Curriculum Director
South Hamilton CSD
www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us
515.827.5418 (W)
515.209.9767 (C)
515.827.5368 (F)


Luddite by Degrees
1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and  
ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and  
exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of  
things


--- Douglas Adams




On Mar 31, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Richardson,Tony wrote:


The only real way to fix the little iPod buggers is to employ a NAC
device to keep them off of your network to begin with. One that looks
good is the Veri-NAC from Black Box http://www.blackbox.com/


-Original Message-
From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us
[mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Karl Hehr
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:08 PM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: Re: [info-tech] Electronic Devices


What kind of filter are you using. Our sonicwall filters all internet
traffic regardless of what type of hardware it is. The only thing I
have no control over (filter wise) is cellphones using their data
connections.

Karl H. Hehr
Technology/Curriculum Director
South Hamilton CSD
www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us
515.827.5418 (W)
515.209.9767 (C)
515.827.5368 (F)


Luddite by Degrees
1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and
ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and
exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of
things

--- Douglas Adams




On Mar 31, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Mitch Mueller wrote:


Looking for some good advice from you smarter than myself.  We are
trying to
block the student iPod Touch's from being able to get to facebook and
myspace and ect.  If someone can help me with that, that would be
great.

Also if you would be willing to share your electronic device policy
that
your school has could you please email it to me personally at
mmuel...@emmetsburg.k12.ia.us or you can post it on the info-tech
list if
you would like.

But my big thing is blocking them sites on iPod touch's.

Thanks
Mitch Mueller
Emmetsburg CSD



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Re: [info-tech] Electronic Devices

2010-03-31 Thread Karl Hehr
I didn't intend for that to sound a snarky as it did, so let me  
rephrase it...


If we spent half the time educating teachers/students/parents as we  
did plugging holes our jobs would be a lot less hectic. I have gotten  
to the point now, if someone points out a proxy site that is  
unblocked, I just tell the staff to have the kid get off the site and  
watch them, end of story.  If I wanted to I could spend my day  
tracking down proxies and blocking sites, but that would suck so I  
choose not too.



Karl H. Hehr
Technology/Curriculum Director
South Hamilton CSD
www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us
515.827.5418 (W)
515.209.9767 (C)
515.827.5368 (F)


Luddite by Degrees
1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and  
ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and  
exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of  
things


--- Douglas Adams




On Mar 31, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Karl Hehr wrote:

Here's a novel idea, don't block them and  embrace the technology  
the kid is bringing into the building.


Karl H. Hehr
Technology/Curriculum Director
South Hamilton CSD
www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us
515.827.5418 (W)
515.209.9767 (C)
515.827.5368 (F)


Luddite by Degrees
1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and  
ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and  
exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of  
things


--- Douglas Adams




On Mar 31, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Richardson,Tony wrote:


The only real way to fix the little iPod buggers is to employ a NAC
device to keep them off of your network to begin with. One that looks
good is the Veri-NAC from Black Box http://www.blackbox.com/


-Original Message-
From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us
[mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Karl Hehr
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:08 PM
To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Subject: Re: [info-tech] Electronic Devices


What kind of filter are you using. Our sonicwall filters all internet
traffic regardless of what type of hardware it is. The only thing I
have no control over (filter wise) is cellphones using their data
connections.

Karl H. Hehr
Technology/Curriculum Director
South Hamilton CSD
www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us
515.827.5418 (W)
515.209.9767 (C)
515.827.5368 (F)


Luddite by Degrees
1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and
ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and
exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of
things

--- Douglas Adams




On Mar 31, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Mitch Mueller wrote:


Looking for some good advice from you smarter than myself.  We are
trying to
block the student iPod Touch's from being able to get to facebook  
and

myspace and ect.  If someone can help me with that, that would be
great.

Also if you would be willing to share your electronic device policy
that
your school has could you please email it to me personally at
mmuel...@emmetsburg.k12.ia.us or you can post it on the info-tech
list if
you would like.

But my big thing is blocking them sites on iPod touch's.

Thanks
Mitch Mueller
Emmetsburg CSD



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