Re: [JAWS-Users] reg cleaners

[Shane Hecker]

Best  thing to do in that  case is attempt running the test on the 
computer having problems, assuming you can get it to stay up long enough 
to run the test. Wow, 8088? I remember those. Actually, my first laptop 
was an 8086 running I think Dos  4.10, later upgraded to  Dos 5.0. Think 
this was back in the late 1980's. I am pretty sure even a 15 year old 
computer would trounce that 8086 any day of the week with both hands 
tied behind it's back. At  any rate, give the programs I mentioned a 
whirl and see what happens. Oh, and the less running in the background, 
the better, especially for the memory test.


If you are interested in the docking station I mentioned, here's a link 
for it.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T0ZRAOK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8=1


Shane


On 2/27/2017 9:54 PM, Lenny McHugh wrote:

Shane,
I do not have the docking station. I have this old desktop and an hp 
laptop that is as about as fast as an old 8088.


-Original Message- From: Shane Hecker
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 9:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reg cleaners

I'd test the hard drive first. Usually it's the number 1 thing that goes
out. If you have a second computer with a USB port and a docking station
for hard drives, this should be relatively straight forward. Basically
what you do is connect the hard drive to the station, connect the
station to your second computer via USB, then run tests to see if there
are problems. Based on what you've said I'm assuming you know some about
this. For thorough testing of a hard drive, you may want to look up
"Bart's Stuff Test". It's an old program but it works nicely and it's 
free.


If the hard drive is sound,  and you want to test memory, look up "Mem
Test HCI". There's a free and a commercial version. The free version
should do what you want.


Shane


On 2/27/2017 8:03 PM, Lenny McHugh wrote:
hello Shane, Thanks, this is what I always thought. I am at the point 
where I am willing to do anything. I guess that I will just first to 
try the reinstall of windows. If it does not work it confirms my 
thought that it is a hardware problem.  I will then probably replace 
both the mb and hd. Reinstall win 7 then upgrade to 10. This machine 
is about 6 years old a few months after win 7 was released



-Original Message- From: Shane Hecker
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reg cleaners

I'd run cCleaner. It does a pretty good job and is accessible for the
most part. However you may wish to consider a couple articles:

https://www.howtogeek.com/171633/why-using-a-registry-cleaner-wont-speed-up-your-pc-or-fix-crashes/ 



http://news.softpedia.com/news/are-registry-cleaners-still-needed-on-windows-10-microsoft-says-they-re-not-498103.shtml 



Take the  second one  for what it's worth.


Shane


On 2/27/2017 6:44 PM, Lenny McHugh wrote:

What is the best win 7 reg cleaner. I want to try that before  I try to
reconstruct this machine.
I do suspect a hardware problem but want to eliminate any software 
issues

first.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] reg cleaners

[Lenny McHugh]

Shane,
I do not have the docking station. I have this old desktop and an hp laptop 
that is as about as fast as an old 8088.


-Original Message- 
From: Shane Hecker

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 9:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reg cleaners

I'd test the hard drive first. Usually it's the number 1 thing that goes
out. If you have a second computer with a USB port and a docking station
for hard drives, this should be relatively straight forward. Basically
what you do is connect the hard drive to the station, connect the
station to your second computer via USB, then run tests to see if there
are problems. Based on what you've said I'm assuming you know some about
this. For thorough testing of a hard drive, you may want to look up
"Bart's Stuff Test". It's an old program but it works nicely and it's free.

If the hard drive is sound,  and you want to test memory, look up "Mem
Test HCI". There's a free and a commercial version. The free version
should do what you want.


Shane


On 2/27/2017 8:03 PM, Lenny McHugh wrote:
hello Shane, Thanks, this is what I always thought. I am at the point 
where I am willing to do anything. I guess that I will just first to try 
the reinstall of windows. If it does not work it confirms my thought that 
it is a hardware problem.  I will then probably replace both the mb and 
hd. Reinstall win 7 then upgrade to 10. This machine is about 6 years old 
a few months after win 7 was released



-Original Message- From: Shane Hecker
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reg cleaners

I'd run cCleaner. It does a pretty good job and is accessible for the
most part. However you may wish to consider a couple articles:

https://www.howtogeek.com/171633/why-using-a-registry-cleaner-wont-speed-up-your-pc-or-fix-crashes/

http://news.softpedia.com/news/are-registry-cleaners-still-needed-on-windows-10-microsoft-says-they-re-not-498103.shtml

Take the  second one  for what it's worth.


Shane


On 2/27/2017 6:44 PM, Lenny McHugh wrote:

What is the best win 7 reg cleaner. I want to try that before  I try to
reconstruct this machine.
I do suspect a hardware problem but want to eliminate any software issues
first.



---

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Re: [JAWS-Users] reg cleaners

[Shane Hecker]

I'd test the hard drive first. Usually it's the number 1 thing that goes 
out. If you have a second computer with a USB port and a docking station 
for hard drives, this should be relatively straight forward. Basically 
what you do is connect the hard drive to the station, connect the 
station to your second computer via USB, then run tests to see if there 
are problems. Based on what you've said I'm assuming you know some about 
this. For thorough testing of a hard drive, you may want to look up 
"Bart's Stuff Test". It's an old program but it works nicely and it's free.


If the hard drive is sound,  and you want to test memory, look up "Mem 
Test HCI". There's a free and a commercial version. The free version 
should do what you want.



Shane


On 2/27/2017 8:03 PM, Lenny McHugh wrote:
hello Shane, Thanks, this is what I always thought. I am at the point 
where I am willing to do anything. I guess that I will just first to 
try the reinstall of windows. If it does not work it confirms my 
thought that it is a hardware problem.  I will then probably replace 
both the mb and hd. Reinstall win 7 then upgrade to 10. This machine 
is about 6 years old a few months after win 7 was released



-Original Message- From: Shane Hecker
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reg cleaners

I'd run cCleaner. It does a pretty good job and is accessible for the
most part. However you may wish to consider a couple articles:

https://www.howtogeek.com/171633/why-using-a-registry-cleaner-wont-speed-up-your-pc-or-fix-crashes/ 



http://news.softpedia.com/news/are-registry-cleaners-still-needed-on-windows-10-microsoft-says-they-re-not-498103.shtml 



Take the  second one  for what it's worth.


Shane


On 2/27/2017 6:44 PM, Lenny McHugh wrote:

What is the best win 7 reg cleaner. I want to try that before  I try to
reconstruct this machine.
I do suspect a hardware problem but want to eliminate any software 
issues

first.



---

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

[Tom Behler]

Thanks, Mike.

I appreciate these additional instructions, and will save for future
reference, should the problem recur.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike O'Brien
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Hi

Unfortunately, the items in the start-up folder are only started after the
user has logged in.  So putting an icon for JAWS in the start-up folder will
not provide speech on the log-in screen.  Now that JAWS is speaking on the
log-in screen, , you could do the following to help if you have the JAWS
starting problem again.  

1.  Start the computer and wait until JAWS starts talking on the log-in
screen.  
2.  Press tab until you get to the password for your user id, counting the
number of times you had to press tab

if JAWS again does not speak on the log-in screen, after waiting for a while
when you turn the computer on, press tab the number of times you counted,
enter your password and press enter.  This should get you logged in.

When you're logged in, you can always start JAWS by pressing Windows-key and
type JAWS?? and press enter. ?? is the version of JAWS you want to start 17,
18, etc..


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:39
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

That's what I believe I did last night.

Kind of stumbled upon the solution, but at least it seems to have worked.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 7:09 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Another method if you are still having the startup problem would be to take
a JAWS icon and place it in the startup folder, IE the same place where
speak drop box and things like that go to fire up on system boot.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Mike:

It turns out that, for reasons I can't explain, my computer reverted back to
jaws 16, which I also have on the machine.

Now that I'm back in Jaws 17, Outlook is performing as it should.

I still need to trouble-shoot the log-on screen startup issue, but these
steps you gave me should help.

I'll keep the steps handy, and continue work on the startup screen issue in
the morning.

Thank you for your quick response.

Tom Behler

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Hi Tom,

You can try the following for your 1st issue, but I can't help with your 2nd
issue:
Note: The steps below were performed running Windows 7 & JAWS versions 15
thru 18.  These steps won't work with Windows 8 or 10, & why they won't is
below my steps.
For those of you that have Jaws set to start at the Windows log-in screen,
but it doesn't, this might work for you.  I looked in, msconfig, & found
that JAWS Freedom Scientific wasn't at the top of the list on the Start-up
Page / Tab, so this is what I did.
1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the run dialog.
2. Type, *msconfig*, without the stars, & press enter.
3. Press, control + tab, until you get to the, Start-up Page / Tab.
4. I arrowed down the list, & unchecked any items above, JAWS Freedom
Scientific, on the Start-up Page / Tab.
Note: Only uncheck the items / programs above JAWS Freedom Scientific, &
nothing else.  Pay close attention to what you uncheck because you are going
to recheck these items / programs shortly.
5. Tab to the, Okay, button, press the spacebar, & tab 1 time to, Restart, &
press enter to restart your computer.
6. Once your computer is booted up repeat steps 1 thru 3, & you will notice
that JAWS Freedom Scientific is now at the top of the list.
7. Now, arrow down the list of items / programs on the Start-up Page / Tab,
check the items / programs that you unchecked previously, & repeat step #5.
Now Jaws should start on the Windows log-in screen when your computer
starts.  I did the above steps on 4 different computers, both desktop &
lattop, 'm not going to say it works everytime, but it sure works most of
the time, which I can say is a damn site better than before I followed the
above steps.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
- Original Message -
From: Tom Behler
To: 'Jaws users list'
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:40 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues


Hello, everyone.



Today, I 

Re: [JAWS-Users] reg cleaners

[Lenny McHugh]

hello Shane, Thanks, this is what I always thought. I am at the point where 
I am willing to do anything. I guess that I will just first to try the 
reinstall of windows. If it does not work it confirms my thought that it is 
a hardware problem.  I will then probably replace both the mb and hd. 
Reinstall win 7 then upgrade to 10. This machine is about 6 years old a few 
months after win 7 was released



-Original Message- 
From: Shane Hecker

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reg cleaners

I'd run cCleaner. It does a pretty good job and is accessible for the
most part. However you may wish to consider a couple articles:

https://www.howtogeek.com/171633/why-using-a-registry-cleaner-wont-speed-up-your-pc-or-fix-crashes/

http://news.softpedia.com/news/are-registry-cleaners-still-needed-on-windows-10-microsoft-says-they-re-not-498103.shtml

Take the  second one  for what it's worth.


Shane


On 2/27/2017 6:44 PM, Lenny McHugh wrote:

What is the best win 7 reg cleaner. I want to try that before  I try to
reconstruct this machine.
I do suspect a hardware problem but want to eliminate any software issues
first.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] reg cleaners

[Scorpio]

C-Cleaner has a great registry cleaner.

Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: Lenny McHugh

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 7:44 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] reg cleaners

What is the best win 7 reg cleaner. I want to try that before  I try to
reconstruct this machine.
I do suspect a hardware problem but want to eliminate any software issues
first.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS/Windows Inquiry

[Mauricio Molina]

Hi Jerry, 

While performing the "Alt+Tab keystroke, are you holding the Alt key down
while tabbing through all open windows? If you press Alt+Tab and then just
let go, the default is to cycle between the last 2 windows accessed; you
must continue to hold down the Alt key while pressing the Tab key and only
when the desired application has focus do you let go of the Alt key. If you
have been using this keystroke as described above, I would be curious as to
the cause of the problem. 

Mauricio


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS/Windows Inquiry

To All JAWS Users:

This is Jerry Martin. I have a question; and I apologize as the explanation
is quite lengthy.

I do not know if this is a JAWS issue or a Windows issue. I am using JAWS v
17, with Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. I can have several documents, JAWS and
my email program open at the same time. However, for the past several days,
when I use the alt tab commands, I have noticed it will only toggle between
JAWS and the most recent application i.e., JAWS and Windows Live mail. Only
after I close the application besides JAWS, will it bring up another
application/document. Any thoughts or answers? Thanks.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] windows live essentials 2012

[Lenny McHugh]

I was there but only saw 2009. This thing keeps hanging up. I can only read 
a few things before I must restart. Guess that is how I missed it.


-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] windows live essentials 2012

Look on the server my good man. Both 2009 and 2012 are up there for
downloading if memory serves. Also gang I would like to add that our own Mr.
Justice is putting in some work on iTunes, so much so that I have created an
iTunes heading on tips and tricks.

-Original Message- 
From: Lenny McHugh

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 7:41 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] windows live essentials 2012

I have been using windows live mail from the essential 2012 download. I no
longer have that file and microsoft has removed it. It looks like I will be
reinstalling windows. I have my email messages and settings exported to the
live mail format. Any ideas where I can locate the 2012 version or what
email client can I use on this win 7 machine. I really hate the thought of
loosing over 200 saved emails from several groups.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS/Windows Inquiry

[Nate Kile]

This happens every once and awhile on one of my laptops, but once I shut it
down and restart it things return back to normal.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 2:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS/Windows Inquiry

That seemed to work for the most part. I have to enter on the ap that I want
(no biggee). Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 5:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS/Windows Inquiry

Hello Jerry:

Try Control-Alt-Tab and then right/left arrows.
Humberto


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS/Windows Inquiry

To All JAWS Users:

This is Jerry Martin. I have a question; and I apologize as the explanation
is quite lengthy.

I do not know if this is a JAWS issue or a Windows issue. I am using JAWS v
17, with Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. I can have several documents, JAWS and
my email program open at the same time. However, for the past several days,
when I use the alt tab commands, I have noticed it will only toggle between
JAWS and the most recent application i.e., JAWS and Windows Live mail. Only
after I close the application besides JAWS, will it bring up another
application/document. Any thoughts or answers? Thanks.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] reg cleaners

[Shane Hecker]

I'd run cCleaner. It does a pretty good job and is accessible for the 
most part. However you may wish to consider a couple articles:


https://www.howtogeek.com/171633/why-using-a-registry-cleaner-wont-speed-up-your-pc-or-fix-crashes/

http://news.softpedia.com/news/are-registry-cleaners-still-needed-on-windows-10-microsoft-says-they-re-not-498103.shtml

Take the  second one  for what it's worth.


Shane


On 2/27/2017 6:44 PM, Lenny McHugh wrote:

What is the best win 7 reg cleaner. I want to try that before  I try to
reconstruct this machine.
I do suspect a hardware problem but want to eliminate any software issues
first.



---

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There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

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Re: [JAWS-Users] windows live essentials 2012

[David Ferrin]

Look on the server my good man. Both 2009 and 2012 are up there for 
downloading if memory serves. Also gang I would like to add that our own Mr. 
Justice is putting in some work on iTunes, so much so that I have created an 
iTunes heading on tips and tricks.


-Original Message- 
From: Lenny McHugh

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 7:41 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] windows live essentials 2012

I have been using windows live mail from the essential 2012 download. I no
longer have that file and microsoft has removed it. It looks like I will be
reinstalling windows. I have my email messages and settings exported to the
live mail format. Any ideas where I can locate the 2012 version or what
email client can I use on this win 7 machine. I really hate the thought of
loosing over 200 saved emails from several groups.


---

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There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

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[JAWS-Users] reg cleaners

[Lenny McHugh]

What is the best win 7 reg cleaner. I want to try that before  I try to 
reconstruct this machine.
I do suspect a hardware problem but want to eliminate any software issues 
first.



---

Please visit my web page

It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

http://www.LennyMcHugh.com

International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

[JAWS-Users] windows live essentials 2012

[Lenny McHugh]

I have been using windows live mail from the essential 2012 download. I no 
longer have that file and microsoft has removed it. It looks like I will be 
reinstalling windows. I have my email messages and settings exported to the 
live mail format. Any ideas where I can locate the 2012 version or what 
email client can I use on this win 7 machine. I really hate the thought of 
loosing over 200 saved emails from several groups.


---

Please visit my web page

It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

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Re: [JAWS-Users] The Control and ALT keys, your best friend, part one

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Jim,
Nice job on this lesson. Keep up the good work. I have saved all these files
for future reference.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] The Control and ALT keys, your best friend, part one

The Control and ALT keys, your best friend, part one.

Lets look at some general Control, keystrokes first in W-10, many of these
keystrokes may work in prior versions of Windows as well.

**Press Ctrl + Esc to Open Start 

Pressing the Windows key by itself will also open and close Start.

Pressing Enter on the Start button, will also open Start.

*Tip: The Start button area has also changed, in the Anniversary update for
W-10.

**After pressing the Windows key or pressing enter on the Start button, or
pressing Control+Escape.

1. You will land in the Start area search edit box.

Just begin typing what you are looking for, use the Arrow keys to find it,
press enter to open it.

2. From the Search edit box, Tab one time to, the Navigation menu list box.

Here you will find your Account picture, your folder shortcuts, like
Downloads, Documents, and your personal folder, if you have set them up
under Start in the settings area, and the Power Button.

3. Tab a second time to, Apps View list box.

This is a list of all the Apps and Programs on your computer.

Press Enter on any collapsed folders, to expand that folders content.

First letter navigation works, Tip: you must have an app or program starting
with that letter installed on your computer.

*Tip: After pressing the Windows key, press either Up or Down Arrow to go
directly to the Apps View list box.

4. Tab a third time from the Search edit box to, Pinned View list box.

Here you have the Group Headers, plus any Pinned items you have Pinned to
Start which are located under one of these Group Headers.

*Now the Start button area is subject to change in the next major update to
W-10.

**Pressing Ctrl + Shift + Esc will directly Open Task Manager in W-10.

**You also can press, Windows key+X, for the W10 context menu, Uparrow to
Task Manager, press Enter.

**You can also press, Control+ALT+Delete, this will open a list of seven
items including.

1. Switch users.

2. Task Manager.

3. Shutdown.

4. Lock.

5. Network status.

6. Ease of access.

7. Sign out.

They are not in the above order.

So for example: If you need to see what your wireless, signal strength is
currently, do the following.

1. Press Control+ALT+Delete.

2. Uparrow to Network status.

3. You will hear the name of your Network provider, followed by the signal
strenth of your wireless signal.

**Press Control+Alt+Tab together, Use the Rightarrow key to switch between
all open apps 

*After pressin Control+ALT+Tab, then release the keys, press the Rightarrow
key, to go across all the open windows, press enter to bring that window
into focus.

**In W-10, you can also press Windows key+Tab, Rightarrow across all open
Windows, press Enter on the window to bring it into focus.

**You can also press Insert+F10, press Rightarrow to the Window, press Enter
to bring it into focus.

**Press Ctrl + Shift + N to Create a new folder.

So from any file explorer list of folders, just press Control+Shift+N, type
the name for the new folder, press Enter.

**Press Control+F, Will Open find window for the current document or window.


**Press Control+Insert+F, Opens the Jaws find dialog edit box.

Type the word you are looking for, press enter to find that word.

Press F3 or Insert+F3, to find the next occurrence of the word, depending on
the program you are using.

**Using Outlook 2016.

**Pressing the ALT key, will open or close the Virtual ribbons in Outlook
2016.

**Pressing the ALT key, will land you on the Home ribbon of the virtual
ribbons  menu, in Outlook 2016.

>From the Home ribbon, Rightarrow across to the other top ribbons.

For example, as you Rightarrow from the Home ribbon, you will hear.

Send/recieve tab.

Folder tab.

View tab.

Tell me what you want to do, edit box window, pressing Escape will close
this edit box window.

*For example, using the new, Tell me what you want to do feature, just type
the word new, press the Downarrow key to see the list of results.

Press Enter, on one of the items to automatically have Outlook 2016,
complete that Task for you.

*Tip, pressing ALT+Q, will bring up the Tell me search edit box.

*On any of the virtual ribbon upper ribbon tabs, tabs, Home tab, Send and
recieve tab, View tab, or file tab, just press the Downarrow key to open the
lower ribbon of that main upper tab.

*For example, pressing ALT, pressing Downarrow from the Home tab, you will
see.

1. New sub menu.

2. Delete sub menu.

3. Respond sub menu.

4. Quick steps sub menu.

5. Move sub menu.

6. Tags sub menu.

7. Find sub menu.

*Now pressing the Leftarrow key from any of the lower ribbons, will take you
back to 

Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS/Windows Inquiry

[jyandt.martin]

That seemed to work for the most part. I have to enter on the ap that I want 
(no biggee). Thanks.


-Original Message- 
From: Humberto Rodriguez

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 5:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS/Windows Inquiry

Hello Jerry:

Try Control-Alt-Tab and then right/left arrows.
Humberto


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Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS/Windows Inquiry

To All JAWS Users:

This is Jerry Martin. I have a question; and I apologize as the explanation
is quite lengthy.

I do not know if this is a JAWS issue or a Windows issue. I am using JAWS v
17, with Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. I can have several documents, JAWS and
my email program open at the same time. However, for the past several days,
when I use the alt tab commands, I have noticed it will only toggle between
JAWS and the most recent application i.e., JAWS and Windows Live mail. Only
after I close the application besides JAWS, will it bring up another
application/document. Any thoughts or answers? Thanks.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS/Windows Inquiry

[Humberto Rodriguez]

Hello Jerry:

Try Control-Alt-Tab and then right/left arrows.
Humberto


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Behalf Of jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS/Windows Inquiry

To All JAWS Users:

This is Jerry Martin. I have a question; and I apologize as the explanation
is quite lengthy.

I do not know if this is a JAWS issue or a Windows issue. I am using JAWS v
17, with Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. I can have several documents, JAWS and
my email program open at the same time. However, for the past several days,
when I use the alt tab commands, I have noticed it will only toggle between
JAWS and the most recent application i.e., JAWS and Windows Live mail. Only
after I close the application besides JAWS, will it bring up another
application/document. Any thoughts or answers? Thanks.

Jerry
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[JAWS-Users] The Control and ALT keys, your best friend, part one

[Jim]

The Control and ALT keys, your best friend, part one.

Lets look at some general Control, keystrokes first in W-10, many of these
keystrokes may work in prior versions of Windows as well.

**Press Ctrl + Esc to Open Start 

Pressing the Windows key by itself will also open and close Start.

Pressing Enter on the Start button, will also open Start.

*Tip: The Start button area has also changed, in the Anniversary update for
W-10.

**After pressing the Windows key or pressing enter on the Start button, or
pressing Control+Escape.

1. You will land in the Start area search edit box.

Just begin typing what you are looking for, use the Arrow keys to find it,
press enter to open it.

2. From the Search edit box, Tab one time to, the Navigation menu list box.

Here you will find your Account picture, your folder shortcuts, like
Downloads, Documents, and your personal folder, if you have set them up
under Start in the settings area, and the Power Button.

3. Tab a second time to, Apps View list box.

This is a list of all the Apps and Programs on your computer.

Press Enter on any collapsed folders, to expand that folders content.

First letter navigation works, Tip: you must have an app or program starting
with that letter installed on your computer.

*Tip: After pressing the Windows key, press either Up or Down Arrow to go
directly to the Apps View list box.

4. Tab a third time from the Search edit box to, Pinned View list box.

Here you have the Group Headers, plus any Pinned items you have Pinned to
Start which are located under one of these Group Headers.

*Now the Start button area is subject to change in the next major update to
W-10.

**Pressing Ctrl + Shift + Esc will directly Open Task Manager in W-10.

**You also can press, Windows key+X, for the W10 context menu, Uparrow to
Task Manager, press Enter.

**You can also press, Control+ALT+Delete, this will open a list of seven
items including.

1. Switch users.

2. Task Manager.

3. Shutdown.

4. Lock.

5. Network status.

6. Ease of access.

7. Sign out.

They are not in the above order.

So for example: If you need to see what your wireless, signal strength is
currently, do the following.

1. Press Control+ALT+Delete.

2. Uparrow to Network status.

3. You will hear the name of your Network provider, followed by the signal
strenth of your wireless signal.

**Press Control+Alt+Tab together, Use the Rightarrow key to switch between
all open apps 

*After pressin Control+ALT+Tab, then release the keys, press the Rightarrow
key, to go across all the open windows, press enter to bring that window
into focus.

**In W-10, you can also press Windows key+Tab, Rightarrow across all open
Windows, press Enter on the window to bring it into focus.

**You can also press Insert+F10, press Rightarrow to the Window, press Enter
to bring it into focus.

**Press Ctrl + Shift + N to Create a new folder.

So from any file explorer list of folders, just press Control+Shift+N, type
the name for the new folder, press Enter.

**Press Control+F, Will Open find window for the current document or window.


**Press Control+Insert+F, Opens the Jaws find dialog edit box.

Type the word you are looking for, press enter to find that word.

Press F3 or Insert+F3, to find the next occurrence of the word, depending on
the program you are using.

**Using Outlook 2016.

**Pressing the ALT key, will open or close the Virtual ribbons in Outlook
2016.

**Pressing the ALT key, will land you on the Home ribbon of the virtual
ribbons  menu, in Outlook 2016.

>From the Home ribbon, Rightarrow across to the other top ribbons.

For example, as you Rightarrow from the Home ribbon, you will hear.

Send/recieve tab.

Folder tab.

View tab.

Tell me what you want to do, edit box window, pressing Escape will close
this edit box window.

*For example, using the new, Tell me what you want to do feature, just type
the word new, press the Downarrow key to see the list of results.

Press Enter, on one of the items to automatically have Outlook 2016,
complete that Task for you.

*Tip, pressing ALT+Q, will bring up the Tell me search edit box.

*On any of the virtual ribbon upper ribbon tabs, tabs, Home tab, Send and
recieve tab, View tab, or file tab, just press the Downarrow key to open the
lower ribbon of that main upper tab.

*For example, pressing ALT, pressing Downarrow from the Home tab, you will
see.

1. New sub menu.

2. Delete sub menu.

3. Respond sub menu.

4. Quick steps sub menu.

5. Move sub menu.

6. Tags sub menu.

7. Find sub menu.

*Now pressing the Leftarrow key from any of the lower ribbons, will take you
back to the upper ribbon tab. 

*Different things you may find, in the sub menus of the lower ribbon tabs.

1. Button item has pop-up, press Spacebar to open this list, press Enter on
an item, or press Escape to close.

2. Split button, has pop-up, press Spacebar, press Enter on an item, or
press Escape to close.

3. Arrange by Split button has pop-up, press Spacebar, press Enter on an

Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS/Windows Inquiry

[jyandt.martin]

I am not sure as to the virtual desktop. This is over my head. Any further 
explanations would be great.


-Original Message- 
From: Shane Hecker

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS/Windows Inquiry

Could it be placing applications on multiple virtual desktops? I've seen
it once where I couldn't get to an application because it was on a new
virtual desktop that had been created, but that I was not aware of.
There's a setting I believe related to the task bar where you can tell
it when you push alt+tab to cycle between all applications regardless of
what desktop they are on.


Shane


On 2/27/2017 3:57 PM, jyandt.mar...@comcast.net wrote:

To All JAWS Users:

This is Jerry Martin. I have a question; and I apologize as the 
explanation is quite lengthy.


I do not know if this is a JAWS issue or a Windows issue. I am using JAWS 
v 17, with Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. I can have several documents, JAWS 
and my email program open at the same time. However, for the past several 
days, when I use the alt tab commands, I have noticed it will only toggle 
between JAWS and the most recent application i.e., JAWS and Windows Live 
mail. Only after I close the application besides JAWS, will it bring up 
another application/document. Any thoughts or answers? Thanks.


Jerry
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[JAWS-Users] Questions relating to an upgrade from Office 2010 to Office 2016

[Adrian Spratt]

Hi. Jim's posts this afternoon have me hankering to upgrade to 2016. I'm really 
hoping, though, that the upgrade will eliminate an annoying problem FS, this 
list and I have been unable to solve concerning the clipboard interfering with 
JAWS in Outlook. So, my questions:

Does anyone know if FS/VFO has announced they officially support Office 2016 
now? The recent JAWS 18 upgrade notes suggests they do. I also have a call into 
FS about this.

Second, are there big differences between 2010 and 2016, especially in the 
ribbon? (I don't use the JAWS virtual ribbon.)

Third, when I upgrade, will my 2010 settings be retained? How about my JAWS 
settings for Office?

As you might guess, I'm hoping for the least possible time-consuming transition.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Pausing a podcast

[Adrian Spratt]

In VLC, the pause key is the spacebar. Can you specify which media player you 
have?

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Of Fred Adams
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Pausing a podcast

Humberto, Thanks for the info but I do not speak spanish and control plus P 
does not work.  Thanks much,

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Pausing a podcast

It depends on what you are playing it with; for instance, in Windows Media, you 
Pause/Play with Control-P.  Different players have different controls.
As an example, you could go to my podcast site which is totally accessible but 
in Spanish, press, for instance,  a link that says "Musica" and a page will 
open with over 400 music podcasts, each of which has a link that says 
:"Reproducer" or Reproduce, which will play it online with a modern player that 
works on Windows/Mac/Unix/Android/Iphone and has controls.

HTH,

Humberto


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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Fred C. Adams
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:04 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Pausing a podcast

I am using W10, latest jaws and I would like to know if it is possible to pause 
a playing podcast.  I can't find any way of doing this.  I will appreciate any 
info on this.

FRED C. ADAMS W4HC
THE HOUR IS LATE AND
THE NIGHT IS FAR SPENT



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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS/Windows Inquiry

[Shane Hecker]

Could it be placing applications on multiple virtual desktops? I've seen 
it once where I couldn't get to an application because it was on a new 
virtual desktop that had been created, but that I was not aware of. 
There's a setting I believe related to the task bar where you can tell 
it when you push alt+tab to cycle between all applications regardless of 
what desktop they are on.



Shane


On 2/27/2017 3:57 PM, jyandt.mar...@comcast.net wrote:

To All JAWS Users:

This is Jerry Martin. I have a question; and I apologize as the explanation is 
quite lengthy.

I do not know if this is a JAWS issue or a Windows issue. I am using JAWS v 17, 
with Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. I can have several documents, JAWS and my 
email program open at the same time. However, for the past several days, when I 
use the alt tab commands, I have noticed it will only toggle between JAWS and 
the most recent application i.e., JAWS and Windows Live mail. Only after I 
close the application besides JAWS, will it bring up another 
application/document. Any thoughts or answers? Thanks.

Jerry
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[JAWS-Users] JAWS/Windows Inquiry

[jyandt.martin]

To All JAWS Users:

This is Jerry Martin. I have a question; and I apologize as the explanation is 
quite lengthy.

I do not know if this is a JAWS issue or a Windows issue. I am using JAWS v 17, 
with Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. I can have several documents, JAWS and my 
email program open at the same time. However, for the past several days, when I 
use the alt tab commands, I have noticed it will only toggle between JAWS and 
the most recent application i.e., JAWS and Windows Live mail. Only after I 
close the application besides JAWS, will it bring up another 
application/document. Any thoughts or answers? Thanks.

Jerry
Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Using the new Smart lookup in outlook 2016

[Gail the U. S. Male]

That does sound really cool!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Using the new Smart lookup in outlook 2016

Hi Jaws group, the new Smart lookup in Outlook 2016 works great. Read part
of a lesson below I am working on right now.

**Using Smart lookup.

This is a cool new feature,read below  For an example of how to use Smart
lookup in Outlook 2016.

1. I highlighted the word, "bible", in an open email.

2. I pressed the Applications key.

3. I pressed Uparrow to, Smart lookup, I pressed Enter, I heard a sound.

4. I was placed in a Smart lookup, result window.

5. I ignored the message saying, press Insert+ALT+M, for Controled elements,
I pressed the Tab key instead.

6. I began Down arrowing through the results page.

7. I selected and copied the following text:

"The Bible is a collection of sacred texts or scriptures that Jews and
Christians consider to be a product of divine inspiration.

and a record of the relationship between God and humans". .

8. When you are done with the Smart lookup window, press the ALT key, then
press the ALT key a second time.

9. This places you right back into the same email, with the word you looked
up using Smart lookup.

10. You can also press ALT+Tab, Tab away and Tab back, to close the results
window for Smart lookup.

*There may be other ways, to close the Smart lookup window, the above ways,
worked fine for me.

Give it a try, and let me know what you all think about the Smart lookup.
Smiles Jim.

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Pausing a podcast

[Fred Adams]

Humberto, Thanks for the info but I do not speak spanish and control plus P
does not work.  Thanks much,

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Pausing a podcast

It depends on what you are playing it with; for instance, in Windows Media,
you Pause/Play with Control-P.  Different players have different controls.
As an example, you could go to my podcast site which is totally accessible
but in Spanish, press, for instance,  a link that says "Musica" and a page
will open with over 400 music podcasts, each of which has a link that says
:"Reproducer" or Reproduce, which will play it online with a modern player
that works on Windows/Mac/Unix/Android/Iphone and has controls.

HTH,

Humberto


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Fred C. Adams
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:04 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Pausing a podcast

I am using W10, latest jaws and I would like to know if it is possible to
pause a playing podcast.  I can't find any way of doing this.  I will
appreciate any info on this.

FRED C. ADAMS W4HC
THE HOUR IS LATE AND
THE NIGHT IS FAR SPENT



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[JAWS-Users] Database and/or Dictionary Programs For Windows 10 with JAWS

[Michele Thredgold]

Hi everyone. I am contemplating getting an ElBraille, which, I'm told, is 
ostensibly a laptop with Window 10 and JAWS, but with a Perkins-style keyboard. 
I'm wondering if there are any database or dictionary programs which I might be 
able to download to use on this when I purchase it. I'm currently using a 
BrailleSense u2 and am unable to access the FS website to see what programs are 
accessible. I do not have the address for the developers of the ElBraille, or I 
would have written to them directly, so I asked some"one who has already bought 
one who is living in Australia. She has not required either a database or a 
dictionary for hers'. 

I would also be interested in Bible-related programs, though I think Bible 
Gateway and a couple of other websites might be handy for that, and a 
German-english/English-German dictionary. I have made use of GoogleTranslate, 
at times, but a translation dictionary might be handy. 

Thanks.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Using the new tell me feature in OutLook 2016

[Jim]

If you are using Outlook 2016, press ALT+Q, to bring up the tell me what you
want to do window, from any where in Outlook.


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Behalf Of jose hernandez
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 2:53 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Using the new tell me feature in OutLook 2016

How do I get it 

LOVE & HAPPINESS

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Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:44 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Using the new tell me feature in OutLook 2016

Good afternoon again Jaws group.

The new Tell me feature in Outlook 2016 is very nice, it's a fast way to
have Outlook 2016 automatically complete many tasks for you.

1. Press ALT+Q, this keystroke brings up the Tell me what you want to do,
edit box window, pressing Escape will close this edit box window.

*For example, using the new, Tell me what you want to do feature, just type
the word "new", press the Down-arrow key to see the list of results.

Press Enter, on one of the items to automatically have Outlook 2016,
complete that Task for you.

*Tip, pressing ALT+Q, will bring up the Tell me what you want to do search
edit box, from anywhere in Outlook 2016.

This is a fantastic feature for the blind computer user, no looking through
the ribbons, jus press ALT+Q, type what you are looking for, begin down
arrowing through the results, press Enter to have Outlook 2016,
automatically complete that task for you.

Pretty cool! Smiles.

Let me know what you think. Jim.

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Using the new tell me feature in OutLook 2016

[jose hernandez]

How do I get it 

LOVE & HAPPINESS

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:44 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Using the new tell me feature in OutLook 2016

Good afternoon again Jaws group.

The new Tell me feature in Outlook 2016 is very nice, it's a fast way to
have Outlook 2016 automatically complete many tasks for you.

1. Press ALT+Q, this keystroke brings up the Tell me what you want to do,
edit box window, pressing Escape will close this edit box window.

*For example, using the new, Tell me what you want to do feature, just type
the word "new", press the Down-arrow key to see the list of results.

Press Enter, on one of the items to automatically have Outlook 2016,
complete that Task for you.

*Tip, pressing ALT+Q, will bring up the Tell me what you want to do search
edit box, from anywhere in Outlook 2016.

This is a fantastic feature for the blind computer user, no looking through
the ribbons, jus press ALT+Q, type what you are looking for, begin down
arrowing through the results, press Enter to have Outlook 2016,
automatically complete that task for you.

Pretty cool! Smiles.

Let me know what you think. Jim.

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] using CCleaner

[Mike B.]

Hi Again Kevin,

If you do a search on YouTube for CCleaner tutorials you will come up with 
many.  Here's a link to a supposedly complete tutorial of CCleaner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EwfYCe6zng

Take care.
Mike
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From: Mike B.
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] using CCleaner


Hi Kevin,

Below is a dropbox download link for an audio tutorial that might help.
This is anolder tutorial, so I hope it helps clear up any questions you
might have.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2471715/CCleanerTutorial.zip

Take care.
Mike
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From: Kevin
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:50 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] using cclear


is there a tutorial on using ccleaner with jhaws!
the one I found from Brian I think isn’t very helpful at least for me!
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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[JAWS-Users] Using the new tell me feature in OutLook 2016

[Jim]

Good afternoon again Jaws group.

The new Tell me feature in Outlook 2016 is very nice, it's a fast way to
have Outlook 2016 automatically complete many tasks for you.

1. Press ALT+Q, this keystroke brings up the Tell me what you want to do,
edit box window, pressing Escape will close this edit box window.

*For example, using the new, Tell me what you want to do feature, just type
the word "new", press the Down-arrow key to see the list of results.

Press Enter, on one of the items to automatically have Outlook 2016,
complete that Task for you.

*Tip, pressing ALT+Q, will bring up the Tell me what you want to do search
edit box, from anywhere in Outlook 2016.

This is a fantastic feature for the blind computer user, no looking through
the ribbons, jus press ALT+Q, type what you are looking for, begin down
arrowing through the results, press Enter to have Outlook 2016,
automatically complete that task for you.

Pretty cool! Smiles.

Let me know what you think. Jim.

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] using CCleaner

[Mike B.]

Hi Kevin,

Below is a dropbox download link for an audio tutorial that might help. 
This is anolder tutorial, so I hope it helps clear up any questions you 
might have.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2471715/CCleanerTutorial.zip

Take care.
Mike
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From: Kevin
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:50 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] using cclear


is there a tutorial on using ccleaner with jhaws!
the one I found from Brian I think isn’t very helpful at least for me!
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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[JAWS-Users] Using the new Smart lookup in outlook 2016

[Jim]

Hi Jaws group, the new Smart lookup in Outlook 2016 works great. Read part
of a lesson below I am working on right now.

**Using Smart lookup.

This is a cool new feature,read below  For an example of how to use Smart
lookup in Outlook 2016.

1. I highlighted the word, "bible", in an open email.

2. I pressed the Applications key.

3. I pressed Uparrow to, Smart lookup, I pressed Enter, I heard a sound.

4. I was placed in a Smart lookup, result window.

5. I ignored the message saying, press Insert+ALT+M, for Controled elements,
I pressed the Tab key instead.

6. I began Down arrowing through the results page.

7. I selected and copied the following text:

"The Bible is a collection of sacred texts or scriptures that Jews and
Christians consider to be a product of divine inspiration.

and a record of the relationship between God and humans". .

8. When you are done with the Smart lookup window, press the ALT key, then
press the ALT key a second time.

9. This places you right back into the same email, with the word you looked
up using Smart lookup.

10. You can also press ALT+Tab, Tab away and Tab back, to close the results
window for Smart lookup.

*There may be other ways, to close the Smart lookup window, the above ways,
worked fine for me.

Give it a try, and let me know what you all think about the Smart lookup.
Smiles Jim.

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

[Mike O'Brien]

Hi

Unfortunately, the items in the start-up folder are only started after the
user has logged in.  So putting an icon for JAWS in the start-up folder will
not provide speech on the log-in screen.  Now that JAWS is speaking on the
log-in screen, , you could do the following to help if you have the JAWS
starting problem again.  

1.  Start the computer and wait until JAWS starts talking on the log-in
screen.  
2.  Press tab until you get to the password for your user id, counting the
number of times you had to press tab

if JAWS again does not speak on the log-in screen, after waiting for a while
when you turn the computer on, press tab the number of times you counted,
enter your password and press enter.  This should get you logged in.

When you're logged in, you can always start JAWS by pressing Windows-key and
type JAWS?? and press enter. ?? is the version of JAWS you want to start 17,
18, etc..


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:39
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

That's what I believe I did last night.

Kind of stumbled upon the solution, but at least it seems to have worked.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 7:09 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Another method if you are still having the startup problem would be to take
a JAWS icon and place it in the startup folder, IE the same place where
speak drop box and things like that go to fire up on system boot.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Mike:

It turns out that, for reasons I can't explain, my computer reverted back to
jaws 16, which I also have on the machine.

Now that I'm back in Jaws 17, Outlook is performing as it should.

I still need to trouble-shoot the log-on screen startup issue, but these
steps you gave me should help.

I'll keep the steps handy, and continue work on the startup screen issue in
the morning.

Thank you for your quick response.

Tom Behler

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Hi Tom,

You can try the following for your 1st issue, but I can't help with your 2nd
issue:
Note: The steps below were performed running Windows 7 & JAWS versions 15
thru 18.  These steps won't work with Windows 8 or 10, & why they won't is
below my steps.
For those of you that have Jaws set to start at the Windows log-in screen,
but it doesn't, this might work for you.  I looked in, msconfig, & found
that JAWS Freedom Scientific wasn't at the top of the list on the Start-up
Page / Tab, so this is what I did.
1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the run dialog.
2. Type, *msconfig*, without the stars, & press enter.
3. Press, control + tab, until you get to the, Start-up Page / Tab.
4. I arrowed down the list, & unchecked any items above, JAWS Freedom
Scientific, on the Start-up Page / Tab.
Note: Only uncheck the items / programs above JAWS Freedom Scientific, &
nothing else.  Pay close attention to what you uncheck because you are going
to recheck these items / programs shortly.
5. Tab to the, Okay, button, press the spacebar, & tab 1 time to, Restart, &
press enter to restart your computer.
6. Once your computer is booted up repeat steps 1 thru 3, & you will notice
that JAWS Freedom Scientific is now at the top of the list.
7. Now, arrow down the list of items / programs on the Start-up Page / Tab,
check the items / programs that you unchecked previously, & repeat step #5.
Now Jaws should start on the Windows log-in screen when your computer
starts.  I did the above steps on 4 different computers, both desktop &
lattop, 'm not going to say it works everytime, but it sure works most of
the time, which I can say is a damn site better than before I followed the
above steps.
Take care.
Mike
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Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Tom Behler
To: 'Jaws users list'
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:40 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues


Hello, everyone.



Today, I suddenly have been experiencing two Jaws issues.  Any help with
either of them would be appreciated.



I am using Jaws 17 professional, and Windows 7 here.



1.  When I re-boot my computer after a shut-down, Jaws no longer speaks at
the log-in screen.  I seem to recall that someone else had this issue the
other day, but don't recall the solution.  I have checked "automatically
start Jaws 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws

[Jim]

Yes, I had this issue in November of last year. You said, After going over
everything, they suggested that it was most likely a Windows update that for
whatever reason went bad. This is exactly what happened to my W-10 computer.
However, using my laptop to do what you did, would not work either. So the
only solution was to take my desktop to the local Microsoft store. They
could not fix the issue either. So I allowed them to wipe the drive,
reinstall W-10 from scratch, and finally I got my computer fixed. I had to
customized W-10 again, I had to install all of my programs and set up my
outlook accounts again. LOL. It was a pain in the butt! But I am happy to
have my W-10 computer up and running again. Smiles...



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws

Thanks for letting us all know the resolution. Sorry you had to go through
all that, but you've given us good information.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws

A final follow up to this issue.
I reached out to Microsoft Accessibility. After going over everything, they
suggested that it was most likely a Windows update that for whatever reason
went bad. We tried going into the update section of settings and it kept on
closing on me with all sorts of error messages.
The FS tech who I spoke to (Dennis I believe was his name) also mentioned
this as a possibility. 
In any event, with my still working Windows 7 laptop, I downloaded a Windows
10 ISO, burned it to a DVD and popped it into the tower with my sighted wife
following the prompts to repair keeping my files and programs intact. 
This did the trick. It ran, rebooted a few times and is now up and
functioning as it should with all sounds and services running. 
Thought I'd share should anyone ever come across a similar problem. Needless
to say, I'm going to keep a Win 10 recovery disk handy from now on. 
Been using Jaws since V 3.7U and this is the first time I encountered an
issue such as disruptive as this during an update.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 3:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws

Both numbers work. The 800 number is toll-free for anyone still paying for
individual long-distance calls. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 6:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws

Howdy,

Freedom Scientific Tech Support: 1- 727-803-8600

Take care.
Mike
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From: Adrian Spratt
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws


Can you call FS? 800-444-4443, follow the prompts. I think it's 2, then 1. 
They'll be closing for the weekend pretty soon.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 5:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws

Update:
After restarting my computer and waiting around an hour, the desktop came
up. However, my sighted wife says that there's an error message having to do

with the audio/sound application not being loaded. Following the prompts,
though we are given the option to enable audio, this doesn't seem to occur.
Nor am I able to connect to the Internet even though this machine is
connected via an Ethernet cable.
I've checked online and even someone on one  of these lists recommended to
uninstall audiodrivers in the device manager, and restart, but this doesn't
seem as though it wouldn't work for me as again, I'm somehow no longer
connected to the Internet.
I also tried accessing system restore and am presented with an error message

having to do with the audio property profile not being loaded and  to check
the event log etc.
I've since tried rebooting and am again stuck on that original screen before

the desktop.
I wrote FS earlier, but who knows.

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 9:39 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws

Crist says he started the process form 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

[Tom Behler]

That's what I believe I did last night.

Kind of stumbled upon the solution, but at least it seems to have worked.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 7:09 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Another method if you are still having the startup problem would be to take
a JAWS icon and place it in the startup folder, IE the same place where
speak drop box and things like that go to fire up on system boot.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Mike:

It turns out that, for reasons I can't explain, my computer reverted back to
jaws 16, which I also have on the machine.

Now that I'm back in Jaws 17, Outlook is performing as it should.

I still need to trouble-shoot the log-on screen startup issue, but these
steps you gave me should help.

I'll keep the steps handy, and continue work on the startup screen issue in
the morning.

Thank you for your quick response.

Tom Behler

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Hi Tom,

You can try the following for your 1st issue, but I can't help with your 2nd
issue:
Note: The steps below were performed running Windows 7 & JAWS versions 15
thru 18.  These steps won't work with Windows 8 or 10, & why they won't is
below my steps.
For those of you that have Jaws set to start at the Windows log-in screen,
but it doesn't, this might work for you.  I looked in, msconfig, & found
that JAWS Freedom Scientific wasn't at the top of the list on the Start-up
Page / Tab, so this is what I did.
1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the run dialog.
2. Type, *msconfig*, without the stars, & press enter.
3. Press, control + tab, until you get to the, Start-up Page / Tab.
4. I arrowed down the list, & unchecked any items above, JAWS Freedom
Scientific, on the Start-up Page / Tab.
Note: Only uncheck the items / programs above JAWS Freedom Scientific, &
nothing else.  Pay close attention to what you uncheck because you are going
to recheck these items / programs shortly.
5. Tab to the, Okay, button, press the spacebar, & tab 1 time to, Restart, &
press enter to restart your computer.
6. Once your computer is booted up repeat steps 1 thru 3, & you will notice
that JAWS Freedom Scientific is now at the top of the list.
7. Now, arrow down the list of items / programs on the Start-up Page / Tab,
check the items / programs that you unchecked previously, & repeat step #5.
Now Jaws should start on the Windows log-in screen when your computer
starts.  I did the above steps on 4 different computers, both desktop &
lattop, 'm not going to say it works everytime, but it sure works most of
the time, which I can say is a damn site better than before I followed the
above steps.
Take care.
Mike
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Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Tom Behler
To: 'Jaws users list'
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:40 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues


Hello, everyone.



Today, I suddenly have been experiencing two Jaws issues.  Any help with
either of them would be appreciated.



I am using Jaws 17 professional, and Windows 7 here.



1.  When I re-boot my computer after a shut-down, Jaws no longer speaks at
the log-in screen.  I seem to recall that someone else had this issue the
other day, but don't recall the solution.  I have checked "automatically
start Jaws at the log-on screen" in basic Jaws options, and also have told
Jaws to always start after the log-on screen for me as the main user.
Currently, the only way I can start Jaws is via sighted assistance.



And



2.  I am using Outlook 2016 to manage both my University and personal g-mail
accounts.  In both accounts, Jaws is now giving me a very expanded list view
in my message folders, rather than the short list view I have been
accustomed to.  The long message list view gives me many more details than
I'd like.  The abbreviated list view starts with an unread or read status
notification, which is very helpful.  I'm not sure how to get the shorter
list view back.  Currently, the folder pane is set to normal, the reading
pain is set to off, and the to do bar is off.



Thanks for any help anyone can provide.



This is very frustrating, since I don't know what caused these sudden
changes in Jaws behavior.



Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan







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For answers 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

[Tom Behler]

That's what I thought, but apparently, that did not happen yesterday for
some reason.

I think I have everything resolved now.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Tom,

You mentioned that you were in a different version of JAWS at one point. If
you installed a newer version, it will usually take over the logon, even if
you don't set it up.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Tom Behler" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 19:24
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues


Dave:

I just did what you suggested, and made sure the option to automatically
start Jjaws at the log-on screen was checked.  I also checked the other
option to always start Jaws for myself as the main user.

Things now seem to be working properly again.

Not sure how things got changed, so I'll have to monitor things to be sure
they remain the same.

Am actually considering upgrading to Jaws 18, since it is covered by my SMA,
and since I've heard good things about the functionality of the latest
update.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Tom,

Insert+J when you have JAWS 17 running. Then Options/Basics. Go through
Insert+all
the checkboxes in the "Automatically Start JAWS" section. It's likely that
something got unchecked.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Tom Behler" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 19:06
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues


Mike:

It turns out that, for reasons I can't explain, my computer reverted back to
jaws 16, which I also have on the machine.

Now that I'm back in Jaws 17, Outlook is performing as it should.

I still need to trouble-shoot the log-on screen startup issue, but these
steps you gave me should help.

I'll keep the steps handy, and continue work on the startup screen issue in
the morning.

Thank you for your quick response.

Tom Behler

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Hi Tom,

You can try the following for your 1st issue, but I can't help with your 2nd
issue:
Note: The steps below were performed running Windows 7 & JAWS versions 15
thru 18.  These steps won't work with Windows 8 or 10, & why they won't is
below my steps.
For those of you that have Jaws set to start at the Windows log-in screen,
but it doesn't, this might work for you.  I looked in, msconfig, & found
that JAWS Freedom Scientific wasn't at the top of the list on the Start-up
Page / Tab, so this is what I did.
1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the run dialog.
2. Type, *msconfig*, without the stars, & press enter.
3. Press, control + tab, until you get to the, Start-up Page / Tab.
4. I arrowed down the list, & unchecked any items above, JAWS Freedom
Scientific, on the Start-up Page / Tab.
Note: Only uncheck the items / programs above JAWS Freedom Scientific, &
nothing else.  Pay close attention to what you uncheck because you are going
to recheck these items / programs shortly.
5. Tab to the, Okay, button, press the spacebar, & tab 1 time to, Restart, &
press enter to restart your computer.
6. Once your computer is booted up repeat steps 1 thru 3, & you will notice
that JAWS Freedom Scientific is now at the top of the list.
7. Now, arrow down the list of items / programs on the Start-up Page / Tab,
check the items / programs that you unchecked previously, & repeat step #5.
Now Jaws should start on the Windows log-in screen when your computer
starts.  I did the above steps on 4 different computers, both desktop &
lattop, 'm not going to say it works everytime, but it sure works most of
the time, which I can say is a damn site better than before I followed the
above steps.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
- Original Message -
From: Tom Behler
To: 'Jaws users list'
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:40 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues


Hello, everyone.



Today, I suddenly have been experiencing two Jaws issues.  Any help with
either of them would be appreciated.



I am using Jaws 17 professional, and Windows 7 here.



1.  When I re-boot my computer after a shut-down, Jaws no longer speaks at
the log-in screen.  I seem to recall 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

[Tom Behler]

Thanks, Mike.

I'll take all of this under advisement as I upgrade to Jaws 18 here.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Hi Tom,

It is a good idea to keep at least 1 earlier version of Jaws installed. 
Personally I have J15 thru J18 on all my computers.  The trick is to always
make sure that the version of Jaws you want to use as the default is
correctly configured to do so after updating.  Also, I only keep the Jaws
version icon that I use as the default on my desktop so there's no confusion
if I need to click on the desktop icon because my shortcut keystroke doesn't
work.  My sure fire method for starting any version of Jaws is pinning them
to the Taskbar, & I've got to say I can't recall anytime as of yet when
using a Taskbar keystroke has failed me.

Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Tom Behler
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues


This particular computer is a Dell Lattitude 6540 laptop, running Windows 7.

I always thought it wise to keep an earlier version of Jaws on a computer,
should the most recent version get corrupted, but now, I'm not sure that is
a good idea.

Anyway, may try to upgrade to Jaws 18 soon, and will see what happens from
there.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Something similar used to happen to  me on an old laptop. Never could figure
out why, but it hasn't happened on any of my subsequent machines.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 7:25 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Dave:

I just did what you suggested, and made sure the option to automatically
start Jjaws at the log-on screen was checked.  I also checked the other
option to always start Jaws for myself as the main user.

Things now seem to be working properly again.

Not sure how things got changed, so I'll have to monitor things to be sure
they remain the same.

Am actually considering upgrading to Jaws 18, since it is covered by my SMA,
and since I've heard good things about the functionality of the latest
update.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Tom,

Insert+J when you have JAWS 17 running. Then Options/Basics. Go through
Insert+all
the checkboxes in the "Automatically Start JAWS" section. It's likely that
something got unchecked.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Tom Behler" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 19:06
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues


Mike:

It turns out that, for reasons I can't explain, my computer reverted back to
jaws 16, which I also have on the machine.

Now that I'm back in Jaws 17, Outlook is performing as it should.

I still need to trouble-shoot the log-on screen startup issue, but these
steps you gave me should help.

I'll keep the steps handy, and continue work on the startup screen issue in
the morning.

Thank you for your quick response.

Tom Behler

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Hi Tom,

You can try the following for your 1st issue, but I can't help with your 2nd
issue:
Note: The steps below were performed running Windows 7 & JAWS versions 15
thru 18.  These steps won't work with Windows 8 or 10, & why they won't is
below my steps.
For those of you that have Jaws set to start at the Windows log-in screen,
but it doesn't, this might work for you.  I looked in, msconfig, & found
that JAWS Freedom Scientific wasn't at the top of the list on the Start-up
Page / Tab, so this is what I did.
1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the run dialog.
2. Type, *msconfig*, without the stars, & press enter.
3. Press, control + tab, until you get to the, Start-up Page / Tab.
4. I arrowed down the list, & unchecked any items above, JAWS Freedom
Scientific, on the Start-up Page / Tab.
Note: Only uncheck the items / programs above JAWS Freedom Scientific, &

Re: [JAWS-Users] Pausing a podcast

[Humberto Rodriguez]

It depends on what you are playing it with; for instance, in Windows Media,
you Pause/Play with Control-P.  Different players have different controls.
As an example, you could go to my podcast site which is totally accessible
but in Spanish, press, for instance,  a link that says "Musica" and a page
will open with over 400 music podcasts, each of which has a link that says
:"Reproducer" or Reproduce, which will play it online with a modern player
that works on Windows/Mac/Unix/Android/Iphone and has controls.

HTH,

Humberto


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Behalf Of Fred C. Adams
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:04 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Pausing a podcast

I am using W10, latest jaws and I would like to know if it is possible to
pause a playing podcast.  I can't find any way of doing this.  I will
appreciate any info on this.

FRED C. ADAMS W4HC
THE HOUR IS LATE AND
THE NIGHT IS FAR SPENT



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[JAWS-Users] Pausing a podcast

[Fred C. Adams]

I am using W10, latest jaws and I would like to know if it is possible to
pause a playing podcast.  I can't find any way of doing this.  I will
appreciate any info on this.

FRED C. ADAMS W4HC
THE HOUR IS LATE AND
THE NIGHT IS FAR SPENT



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[JAWS-Users] using cclear

[Kevin]

is there a tutorial on using ccleaner with jhaws!
the one I found from Brian I think isn’t very helpful at least for me!
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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Re: [JAWS-Users] troubleshooting network connection

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
First in your system tray on the desktop is an indicator of your network. This 
indicator will tell you the status of your network. Usually if you hit enter on 
it it will take you to a dialog where you can see things like different 
wireless networks and whether or not your wifi is on. Sometimes I have noticed 
that my computer will turn on Airplane mode seemingly on its own. In this 
dialog make sure airplane mode is not on and your wifi is. Also somecomputers 
actually have a switch on the outside that turns the wifi on and off on the 
computer. This switch can be activated accidentally. Also some computers have a 
keystroke invoked with one of the function keys that will turn your wifi off 
and on. Hitting this combination may have turned off your wifi. Hopefully these 
will help the next time it happens.

Regards,
Greg Wocher

> On Feb 27, 2017, at 7:10 AM, leonard morris  wrote:
> 
> I'm using windows 7 and Jaws v18. My network conection to the internet was 
> down for two days but my router seemed to be working fine because I could see 
> it on my IPhone. I'd tried all the usual stuff like reseting the router, and 
> turning the router on/off. The tech came out and fixed the problem in about 
> two minutes by doing something on my laptop. I asked him to please give me a 
> brief rundown as to what he did so I could fix the issue if it happens again. 
> But, this guy reminded me of somebody who thinks a blind person could 
> notpossibly understand his instructions because he all but ignored me. No big 
> deal really. I thanked him and they left in five minutes after arriving to my 
> house. If somebody here has an idea what he looked at to troubleshoot the 
> network internet connection I would appreciate a quick briefing so I could 
> hopefully fix the problem myself instead of waiting eight hours before a tech 
> person was able to come to my house. Thanks.
> 
> "Every country has an idenity, history, customs,  and culture. It's a unique 
> landscape in determining how its people live, work and play."
> 
> 
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[JAWS-Users] troubleshooting network connection

[leonard morris]

I'm using windows 7 and Jaws v18. My network conection to the internet 
was down for two days but my router seemed to be working fine because I 
could see it on my IPhone. I'd tried all the usual stuff like reseting 
the router, and turning the router on/off. The tech came out and fixed 
the problem in about two minutes by doing something on my laptop. I 
asked him to please give me a brief rundown as to what he did so I could 
fix the issue if it happens again. But, this guy reminded me of somebody 
who thinks a blind person could notpossibly understand his instructions 
because he all but ignored me. No big deal really. I thanked him and 
they left in five minutes after arriving to my house. If somebody here 
has an idea what he looked at to troubleshoot the network internet 
connection I would appreciate a quick briefing so I could hopefully fix 
the problem myself instead of waiting eight hours before a tech person 
was able to come to my house. Thanks.


 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

[David Ferrin]

Another method if you are still having the startup problem would be to take 
a JAWS icon and place it in the startup folder, IE the same place where 
speak drop box and things like that go to fire up on system boot.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Behler

Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Mike:

It turns out that, for reasons I can't explain, my computer reverted back to
jaws 16, which I also have on the machine.

Now that I'm back in Jaws 17, Outlook is performing as it should.

I still need to trouble-shoot the log-on screen startup issue, but these
steps you gave me should help.

I'll keep the steps handy, and continue work on the startup screen issue in
the morning.

Thank you for your quick response.

Tom Behler

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Hi Tom,

You can try the following for your 1st issue, but I can't help with your 2nd
issue:
Note: The steps below were performed running Windows 7 & JAWS versions 15
thru 18.  These steps won't work with Windows 8 or 10, & why they won't is
below my steps.
For those of you that have Jaws set to start at the Windows log-in screen,
but it doesn't, this might work for you.  I looked in, msconfig, & found
that JAWS Freedom Scientific wasn't at the top of the list on the Start-up
Page / Tab, so this is what I did.
1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the run dialog.
2. Type, *msconfig*, without the stars, & press enter.
3. Press, control + tab, until you get to the, Start-up Page / Tab.
4. I arrowed down the list, & unchecked any items above, JAWS Freedom
Scientific, on the Start-up Page / Tab.
Note: Only uncheck the items / programs above JAWS Freedom Scientific, &
nothing else.  Pay close attention to what you uncheck because you are going
to recheck these items / programs shortly.
5. Tab to the, Okay, button, press the spacebar, & tab 1 time to, Restart, &
press enter to restart your computer.
6. Once your computer is booted up repeat steps 1 thru 3, & you will notice
that JAWS Freedom Scientific is now at the top of the list.
7. Now, arrow down the list of items / programs on the Start-up Page / Tab,
check the items / programs that you unchecked previously, & repeat step #5.
Now Jaws should start on the Windows log-in screen when your computer
starts.  I did the above steps on 4 different computers, both desktop &
lattop, 'm not going to say it works everytime, but it sure works most of
the time, which I can say is a damn site better than before I followed the
above steps.
Take care.
Mike
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Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Tom Behler
To: 'Jaws users list'
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:40 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues


Hello, everyone.



Today, I suddenly have been experiencing two Jaws issues.  Any help with
either of them would be appreciated.



I am using Jaws 17 professional, and Windows 7 here.



1.  When I re-boot my computer after a shut-down, Jaws no longer speaks at
the log-in screen.  I seem to recall that someone else had this issue the
other day, but don't recall the solution.  I have checked "automatically
start Jaws at the log-on screen" in basic Jaws options, and also have told
Jaws to always start after the log-on screen for me as the main user.
Currently, the only way I can start Jaws is via sighted assistance.



And



2.  I am using Outlook 2016 to manage both my University and personal g-mail
accounts.  In both accounts, Jaws is now giving me a very expanded list view
in my message folders, rather than the short list view I have been
accustomed to.  The long message list view gives me many more details than
I'd like.  The abbreviated list view starts with an unread or read status
notification, which is very helpful.  I'm not sure how to get the shorter
list view back.  Currently, the folder pane is set to normal, the reading
pain is set to off, and the to do bar is off.



Thanks for any help anyone can provide.



This is very frustrating, since I don't know what caused these sudden
changes in Jaws behavior.



Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan







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[JAWS-Users] Problem with windows mail app in windows 10.

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi all.

 

Since mail has been updated, I keep getting dumped to the desktop everytime
I try to open it.  I am using windows 10 with jaws 18 Februaary update.  Any
other users have this problem.  Perhaps I should contact ms accessibility
about this.

 

Matthew

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

[Gail the U. S. Male]

Tom, I would highly recommend you're upgrading! I get much better results
using 18 than I did with Jaws 17.  Running a windows 10 dell laptop 64 bit
processor.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:25 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Dave:

I just did what you suggested, and made sure the option to automatically
start Jjaws at the log-on screen was checked.  I also checked the other
option to always start Jaws for myself as the main user.

Things now seem to be working properly again.

Not sure how things got changed, so I'll have to monitor things to be sure
they remain the same.

Am actually considering upgrading to Jaws 18, since it is covered by my SMA,
and since I've heard good things about the functionality of the latest
update.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Tom,

Insert+J when you have JAWS 17 running. Then Options/Basics. Go through 
Insert+all
the checkboxes in the "Automatically Start JAWS" section. It's likely that
something got unchecked.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Tom Behler" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 19:06
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues


Mike:

It turns out that, for reasons I can't explain, my computer reverted back to
jaws 16, which I also have on the machine.

Now that I'm back in Jaws 17, Outlook is performing as it should.

I still need to trouble-shoot the log-on screen startup issue, but these
steps you gave me should help.

I'll keep the steps handy, and continue work on the startup screen issue in
the morning.

Thank you for your quick response.

Tom Behler

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues

Hi Tom,

You can try the following for your 1st issue, but I can't help with your 2nd
issue:
Note: The steps below were performed running Windows 7 & JAWS versions 15
thru 18.  These steps won't work with Windows 8 or 10, & why they won't is
below my steps.
For those of you that have Jaws set to start at the Windows log-in screen,
but it doesn't, this might work for you.  I looked in, msconfig, & found
that JAWS Freedom Scientific wasn't at the top of the list on the Start-up
Page / Tab, so this is what I did.
1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the run dialog.
2. Type, *msconfig*, without the stars, & press enter.
3. Press, control + tab, until you get to the, Start-up Page / Tab.
4. I arrowed down the list, & unchecked any items above, JAWS Freedom
Scientific, on the Start-up Page / Tab.
Note: Only uncheck the items / programs above JAWS Freedom Scientific, &
nothing else.  Pay close attention to what you uncheck because you are going
to recheck these items / programs shortly.
5. Tab to the, Okay, button, press the spacebar, & tab 1 time to, Restart, &
press enter to restart your computer.
6. Once your computer is booted up repeat steps 1 thru 3, & you will notice
that JAWS Freedom Scientific is now at the top of the list.
7. Now, arrow down the list of items / programs on the Start-up Page / Tab,
check the items / programs that you unchecked previously, & repeat step #5.
Now Jaws should start on the Windows log-in screen when your computer
starts.  I did the above steps on 4 different computers, both desktop &
lattop, 'm not going to say it works everytime, but it sure works most of
the time, which I can say is a damn site better than before I followed the
above steps.
Take care.
Mike
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Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Tom Behler
To: 'Jaws users list'
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:40 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues


Hello, everyone.



Today, I suddenly have been experiencing two Jaws issues.  Any help with
either of them would be appreciated.



I am using Jaws 17 professional, and Windows 7 here.



1.  When I re-boot my computer after a shut-down, Jaws no longer speaks at
the log-in screen.  I seem to recall that someone else had this issue the
other day, but don't recall the solution.  I have checked "automatically
start Jaws at the log-on screen" in basic Jaws options, and also have told
Jaws to always start after the log-on screen for me as the main user.
Currently, the only way I can start Jaws is via sighted assistance.



And



2.  I am using Outlook 2016 to manage both my University and personal g-mail
accounts. 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws

[Gail the U. S. Male]

A computer tech friend of mine says he sees as many as 20 percent of Windows
10 installs go bad like this.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws

Hi Cristóbal,

Sorry for that last question.  I should have realized that Microsoft
Accessibility had no way of trying a system restore via safe mode with all
the problems you were experiencing since they didn't have a snow balls
chance of logging onto your computer!  That is surely 1 hell of a weird
coincidence, the Windows update screw-up, & updating Jaws at the same time! 
Wow!  Like I said, glad you finally got it sorted out.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Cristóbal
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws


The wife  and I tried, but we couldn't get past a certain point.  Error
messages  to  check  the eventlog, volume shadow copy error, windows center
protection disabled and as the Internet  wasn't working either,  the tech
couldn't try to remote into  the machine.
Alls well that  ends  well I suppose.
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 6:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws

Hi Cristóbal,

By any chance, did Microsoft Accessibility attempt a system restore?  I'm
just curious to know if this could have gotten you back-up & running again.
Sure glad you got it figured out though.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Cristóbal
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws


A final follow up to this issue.
I reached out to Microsoft Accessibility. After going over everything, they
suggested that it was most likely a Windows update that for whatever reason
went bad. We tried going into the update section of settings and it kept on
closing on me with all sorts of error messages.
The FS tech who I spoke to (Dennis I believe was his name) also mentioned
this as a possibility.
In any event, with my still working Windows 7 laptop, I downloaded a Windows
10 ISO, burned it to a DVD and popped it into the tower with my sighted wife
following the prompts to repair keeping my files and programs in tact.
This did the trick. It ran, rebooted a few times and is now up and
functioning as it should with all sounds and services running.
Thought I'd share should anyone ever come across a similar problem. Needless
to say, I'm going to keep a Win 10 recovery disk handy from now on.
Been using Jaws since V 3.7U and this is the first time I encountered an
issue such as disruptive as this during an update.

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 3:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws

Both numbers work. The 800 number is toll-free for anyone still paying for
individual long-distance calls.

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 6:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws

Howdy,

Freedom Scientific Tech Support: 1- 727-803-8600

Take care.
Mike
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From: Adrian Spratt
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws


Can you call FS? 800-444-4443, follow the prompts. I think it's 2, then 1.
They'll be closing for the weekend pretty soon.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 5:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Major computer issue after updating Jaws

Update:
After restarting my computer and waiting around an hour, the desktop came
up. However, my sighted wife says that there's an error message having to do

with the audio/sound application not being loaded. Following the prompts,
though we are given the option to enable audio, this doesn't seem to occur.
Nor am I able to connect to the Internet even though this machine is
connected via an Ethernet cable.
I've checked online and even someone on one  of these lists recommended to
uninstall audiodrivers in the device manager, and restart, but this doesn't
seem as though it wouldn't work for me as again, I'm