Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Strange. I assume you have OE set up under general options so the checkbox to go directly to your inbox is checked? - Original Message - From: Rick Justice ricjust...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi Steve, In versions 3.7 up to 6.2, When I open Outlook Express in any identity, the focus is on the message list view within the in-box. With later versions, namely versions 10, 11 and 12 beta, Jaws says,page has no links, there is no message selected. Tabbing twice, will place me in the message list view. This problem is not consistent, and pops up randomly while switching between identities in Outlook Express. David and I have looked at it and tried everything we could think of to eliminate it, but no joy. Thanks, Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Steve k...@sbcglobal.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Rick, Curious as to what you're seeing in Outlook Express. I've been using Jaws 10, 11, and now 12 beta in OE with XPH for the past two years with no problems. It reads the messages automatically, although occasionally, if I get a HTML graphical message usually from some company, after I delete that message, Jaws will not read messages automatically until I close and re-open the inbox. Steve - Original Message - From: Rick Justice ricjust...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Just like versions 10 and 11, version 12 will not read properly in Outlook Express. Using Win XP Since this problem has cropped upI have remained with version 6.2, and will probably not explore version 12 any further, since e-mail is a vital part of the work day here. Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Joanne countrymom...@embarqmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? So far Jaws 12 is working great. Very responsive on both my XP and Windows 7 computer. And what a surprise to find Winamp scripts for my 64 bit machine finally. I also like the ribbon menu because it provides list view info on my Windows 7 computer that I didn't have before. Whereas I had email reading problems in Jaws 11 with both Windows Live Mail and Outlook Express, those problems don't seem to be cropping up with 12. I just started using it but so far haven't noticed problems. Joanne - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Yes. It's not an Outlook Express setting, because it works in previous versions of Jaws. Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Steve k...@sbcglobal.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Strange. I assume you have OE set up under general options so the checkbox to go directly to your inbox is checked? - Original Message - From: Rick Justice ricjust...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi Steve, In versions 3.7 up to 6.2, When I open Outlook Express in any identity, the focus is on the message list view within the in-box. With later versions, namely versions 10, 11 and 12 beta, Jaws says,page has no links, there is no message selected. Tabbing twice, will place me in the message list view. This problem is not consistent, and pops up randomly while switching between identities in Outlook Express. David and I have looked at it and tried everything we could think of to eliminate it, but no joy. Thanks, Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Steve k...@sbcglobal.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Rick, Curious as to what you're seeing in Outlook Express. I've been using Jaws 10, 11, and now 12 beta in OE with XPH for the past two years with no problems. It reads the messages automatically, although occasionally, if I get a HTML graphical message usually from some company, after I delete that message, Jaws will not read messages automatically until I close and re-open the inbox. Steve - Original Message - From: Rick Justice ricjust...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Just like versions 10 and 11, version 12 will not read properly in Outlook Express. Using Win XP Since this problem has cropped upI have remained with version 6.2, and will probably not explore version 12 any further, since e-mail is a vital part of the work day here. Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Joanne countrymom...@embarqmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? So far Jaws 12 is working great. Very responsive on both my XP and Windows 7 computer. And what a surprise to find Winamp scripts for my 64 bit machine finally. I also like the ribbon menu because it provides list view info on my Windows 7 computer that I didn't have before. Whereas I had email reading problems in Jaws 11 with both Windows Live Mail and Outlook Express, those problems don't seem to be cropping up with 12. I just started using it but so far haven't noticed problems. Joanne - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Hi Rick. I understand your position. Hope you filed a bug report with FS anyway. From Chris H in Derbyshire Please check out my blog at http://chrishallsworth.klangoblog.net. Many thanks. On 14/09/2010 0:16, Rick Justice wrote: Just like versions 10 and 11, version 12 will not read properly in Outlook Express. Using Win XP Since this problem has cropped upI have remained with version 6.2, and will probably not explore version 12 any further, since e-mail is a vital part of the work day here. Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Joanne countrymom...@embarqmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? So far Jaws 12 is working great. Very responsive on both my XP and Windows 7 computer. And what a surprise to find Winamp scripts for my 64 bit machine finally. I also like the ribbon menu because it provides list view info on my Windows 7 computer that I didn't have before. Whereas I had email reading problems in Jaws 11 with both Windows Live Mail and Outlook Express, those problems don't seem to be cropping up with 12. I just started using it but so far haven't noticed problems. Joanne - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Rick, Curious as to what you're seeing in Outlook Express. I've been using Jaws 10, 11, and now 12 beta in OE with XPH for the past two years with no problems. It reads the messages automatically, although occasionally, if I get a HTML graphical message usually from some company, after I delete that message, Jaws will not read messages automatically until I close and re-open the inbox. Steve - Original Message - From: Rick Justice ricjust...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Just like versions 10 and 11, version 12 will not read properly in Outlook Express. Using Win XP Since this problem has cropped upI have remained with version 6.2, and will probably not explore version 12 any further, since e-mail is a vital part of the work day here. Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Joanne countrymom...@embarqmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? So far Jaws 12 is working great. Very responsive on both my XP and Windows 7 computer. And what a surprise to find Winamp scripts for my 64 bit machine finally. I also like the ribbon menu because it provides list view info on my Windows 7 computer that I didn't have before. Whereas I had email reading problems in Jaws 11 with both Windows Live Mail and Outlook Express, those problems don't seem to be cropping up with 12. I just started using it but so far haven't noticed problems. Joanne - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Hi all. I have no problems reading the messages, but when it initially downloads them from my imap server then Outlook Express loses focus. From Chris H in Derbyshire Please check out my blog at http://chrishallsworth.klangoblog.net. Many thanks. On 14/09/2010 15:45, Steve wrote: Rick, Curious as to what you're seeing in Outlook Express. I've been using Jaws 10, 11, and now 12 beta in OE with XPH for the past two years with no problems. It reads the messages automatically, although occasionally, if I get a HTML graphical message usually from some company, after I delete that message, Jaws will not read messages automatically until I close and re-open the inbox. Steve - Original Message - From: Rick Justice ricjust...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Just like versions 10 and 11, version 12 will not read properly in Outlook Express. Using Win XP Since this problem has cropped upI have remained with version 6.2, and will probably not explore version 12 any further, since e-mail is a vital part of the work day here. Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Joanne countrymom...@embarqmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? So far Jaws 12 is working great. Very responsive on both my XP and Windows 7 computer. And what a surprise to find Winamp scripts for my 64 bit machine finally. I also like the ribbon menu because it provides list view info on my Windows 7 computer that I didn't have before. Whereas I had email reading problems in Jaws 11 with both Windows Live Mail and Outlook Express, those problems don't seem to be cropping up with 12. I just started using it but so far haven't noticed problems. Joanne - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Hi Steve, In versions 3.7 up to 6.2, When I open Outlook Express in any identity, the focus is on the message list view within the in-box. With later versions, namely versions 10, 11 and 12 beta, Jaws says,page has no links, there is no message selected. Tabbing twice, will place me in the message list view. This problem is not consistent, and pops up randomly while switching between identities in Outlook Express. David and I have looked at it and tried everything we could think of to eliminate it, but no joy. Thanks, Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Steve k...@sbcglobal.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Rick, Curious as to what you're seeing in Outlook Express. I've been using Jaws 10, 11, and now 12 beta in OE with XPH for the past two years with no problems. It reads the messages automatically, although occasionally, if I get a HTML graphical message usually from some company, after I delete that message, Jaws will not read messages automatically until I close and re-open the inbox. Steve - Original Message - From: Rick Justice ricjust...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Just like versions 10 and 11, version 12 will not read properly in Outlook Express. Using Win XP Since this problem has cropped upI have remained with version 6.2, and will probably not explore version 12 any further, since e-mail is a vital part of the work day here. Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Joanne countrymom...@embarqmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? So far Jaws 12 is working great. Very responsive on both my XP and Windows 7 computer. And what a surprise to find Winamp scripts for my 64 bit machine finally. I also like the ribbon menu because it provides list view info on my Windows 7 computer that I didn't have before. Whereas I had email reading problems in Jaws 11 with both Windows Live Mail and Outlook Express, those problems don't seem to be cropping up with 12. I just started using it but so far haven't noticed problems. Joanne - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Hi Rick. Have you tried turning off the preview pain? From Chris H in Derbyshire Please check out my blog at http://chrishallsworth.klangoblog.net. Many thanks. On 14/09/2010 22:46, Rick Justice wrote: Hi Steve, In versions 3.7 up to 6.2, When I open Outlook Express in any identity, the focus is on the message list view within the in-box. With later versions, namely versions 10, 11 and 12 beta, Jaws says,page has no links, there is no message selected. Tabbing twice, will place me in the message list view. This problem is not consistent, and pops up randomly while switching between identities in Outlook Express. David and I have looked at it and tried everything we could think of to eliminate it, but no joy. Thanks, Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Steve k...@sbcglobal.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Rick, Curious as to what you're seeing in Outlook Express. I've been using Jaws 10, 11, and now 12 beta in OE with XPH for the past two years with no problems. It reads the messages automatically, although occasionally, if I get a HTML graphical message usually from some company, after I delete that message, Jaws will not read messages automatically until I close and re-open the inbox. Steve - Original Message - From: Rick Justice ricjust...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Just like versions 10 and 11, version 12 will not read properly in Outlook Express. Using Win XP Since this problem has cropped upI have remained with version 6.2, and will probably not explore version 12 any further, since e-mail is a vital part of the work day here. Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Joanne countrymom...@embarqmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? So far Jaws 12 is working great. Very responsive on both my XP and Windows 7 computer. And what a surprise to find Winamp scripts for my 64 bit machine finally. I also like the ribbon menu because it provides list view info on my Windows 7 computer that I didn't have before. Whereas I had email reading problems in Jaws 11 with both Windows Live Mail and Outlook Express, those problems don't seem to be cropping up with 12. I just started using it but so far haven't noticed problems. Joanne - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Hi Chris, Yes, still no joy Rick Justice - Original Message - From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi Rick. Have you tried turning off the preview pain? From Chris H in Derbyshire Please check out my blog at http://chrishallsworth.klangoblog.net. Many thanks. On 14/09/2010 22:46, Rick Justice wrote: Hi Steve, In versions 3.7 up to 6.2, When I open Outlook Express in any identity, the focus is on the message list view within the in-box. With later versions, namely versions 10, 11 and 12 beta, Jaws says,page has no links, there is no message selected. Tabbing twice, will place me in the message list view. This problem is not consistent, and pops up randomly while switching between identities in Outlook Express. David and I have looked at it and tried everything we could think of to eliminate it, but no joy. Thanks, Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Steve k...@sbcglobal.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Rick, Curious as to what you're seeing in Outlook Express. I've been using Jaws 10, 11, and now 12 beta in OE with XPH for the past two years with no problems. It reads the messages automatically, although occasionally, if I get a HTML graphical message usually from some company, after I delete that message, Jaws will not read messages automatically until I close and re-open the inbox. Steve - Original Message - From: Rick Justice ricjust...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Just like versions 10 and 11, version 12 will not read properly in Outlook Express. Using Win XP Since this problem has cropped upI have remained with version 6.2, and will probably not explore version 12 any further, since e-mail is a vital part of the work day here. Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Joanne countrymom...@embarqmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? So far Jaws 12 is working great. Very responsive on both my XP and Windows 7 computer. And what a surprise to find Winamp scripts for my 64 bit machine finally. I also like the ribbon menu because it provides list view info on my Windows 7 computer that I didn't have before. Whereas I had email reading problems in Jaws 11 with both Windows Live Mail and Outlook Express, those problems don't seem to be cropping up with 12. I just started using it but so far haven't noticed problems. Joanne - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
So far Jaws 12 is working great. Very responsive on both my XP and Windows 7 computer. And what a surprise to find Winamp scripts for my 64 bit machine finally. I also like the ribbon menu because it provides list view info on my Windows 7 computer that I didn't have before. Whereas I had email reading problems in Jaws 11 with both Windows Live Mail and Outlook Express, those problems don't seem to be cropping up with 12. I just started using it but so far haven't noticed problems. Joanne - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
I agree about JAWS 12 being responsive on both XP and Windows 7. I have not tested it with Windows Live Mail yet but I'm pleased to see problems fixed with that. Yes, the virtual menus are brilliant! Now, with Outlook Express, it sometimes loses focus when I download a message from my Googlemail account via imap. JAWS will say page has no links, then page has x links, where x is 0 or more links in the actual message, but I have to alt tab twice to read the message. This isn't a big issue for me since I only use Outlook Express in my XP virtual machine I have set up. For my Windows 7 I use Thunderbird and it works really well, somewhat better than previous JAWS releases. From Chris H in Derbyshire Please check out my blog at http://chrishallsworth.klangoblog.net. Many thanks. On 13/09/2010 18:45, Joanne wrote: So far Jaws 12 is working great. Very responsive on both my XP and Windows 7 computer. And what a surprise to find Winamp scripts for my 64 bit machine finally. I also like the ribbon menu because it provides list view info on my Windows 7 computer that I didn't have before. Whereas I had email reading problems in Jaws 11 with both Windows Live Mail and Outlook Express, those problems don't seem to be cropping up with 12. I just started using it but so far haven't noticed problems. Joanne - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
I am testing JAWS 12 with live email beta and the only problem I get is when I type on the body of the email. JAWS does not let me move round what I type. I need to do an alt shift to go to subject and tab to read what I have. Since Microsoft will be releasing new window live email I figure JAWS should be working on this. -Original Message- From: chris hallsworth Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 3:27 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? I agree about JAWS 12 being responsive on both XP and Windows 7. I have not tested it with Windows Live Mail yet but I'm pleased to see problems fixed with that. Yes, the virtual menus are brilliant! Now, with Outlook Express, it sometimes loses focus when I download a message from my Googlemail account via imap. JAWS will say page has no links, then page has x links, where x is 0 or more links in the actual message, but I have to alt tab twice to read the message. This isn't a big issue for me since I only use Outlook Express in my XP virtual machine I have set up. For my Windows 7 I use Thunderbird and it works really well, somewhat better than previous JAWS releases. From Chris H in Derbyshire Please check out my blog at http://chrishallsworth.klangoblog.net. Many thanks. On 13/09/2010 18:45, Joanne wrote: So far Jaws 12 is working great. Very responsive on both my XP and Windows 7 computer. And what a surprise to find Winamp scripts for my 64 bit machine finally. I also like the ribbon menu because it provides list view info on my Windows 7 computer that I didn't have before. Whereas I had email reading problems in Jaws 11 with both Windows Live Mail and Outlook Express, those problems don't seem to be cropping up with 12. I just started using it but so far haven't noticed problems. Joanne - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ Holger Fiallo Kind Regard For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Just like versions 10 and 11, version 12 will not read properly in Outlook Express. Using Win XP Since this problem has cropped upI have remained with version 6.2, and will probably not explore version 12 any further, since e-mail is a vital part of the work day here. Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Joanne countrymom...@embarqmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? So far Jaws 12 is working great. Very responsive on both my XP and Windows 7 computer. And what a surprise to find Winamp scripts for my 64 bit machine finally. I also like the ribbon menu because it provides list view info on my Windows 7 computer that I didn't have before. Whereas I had email reading problems in Jaws 11 with both Windows Live Mail and Outlook Express, those problems don't seem to be cropping up with 12. I just started using it but so far haven't noticed problems. Joanne - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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it used to work but don't know if the beta will work with it since jaws 11 broke it. jaws 10 well, the original release worked with it fine. hope it can be fixed. On Sep 3, 2010, at 6:51 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: Hi all. If not how about Dectalk Access32? Sent using Thunderbird On 03/09/2010 23:41, TJ McElroy gMail wrote: Hello, The beta version of JFW 12 does not have support for the external Dec-Talk synthesizer. Will that support be included with the final release? I have grown accustomed to my Dec-Talk and still feel that it is more responsive then the sound card synthesizers. Thanks, TJ =) [:/:] - - - We cannot control the wind, but we can adjust our sails. - Chinese proverb. - - - [:\:] For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Had a strange problem with the beta 12 and that was the window key would not bring up the start menu for a while. Shut down JFW 12 and went to JFW 11. Than brought up the start menu and went back to JFW 12 and the window key in 12 is now at present working. RJ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Hello Steve, I did, with your help, find where to add the Dec-Talk Express to the list of synthesizers to my list of options. My world is a better place. Thank you, TJ - Original Message - From: Steve To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Huh, strange. I'm using a external Dectalk serial synthesizer with Jaws 12 Beta as I type this. Look in your Jaws utilities, synthesizer and Braille manager. I don't, of course, have serial ports on this modern PC, so I use a USB-to-serial converter, but as far as Jaws is concerned, it is a serial synthesizer running on comm3. Steve Lansing, MI - Original Message - From: TJ McElroy gMail mcelroy...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello, The beta version of JFW 12 does not have support for the external Dec-Talk synthesizer. Will that support be included with the final release? I have grown accustomed to my Dec-Talk and still feel that it is more responsive then the sound card synthesizers. Thanks, TJ =) [:/:] - - - We cannot control the wind, but we can adjust our sails. - Chinese proverb. - - - [:\:] For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Hi. You can use the Merge Utility in JAWS 12 to transfer your settings from a previous version of JAWS. As for Klango, try reinstalling Klango. Sent using Thunderbird On 03/09/2010 4:34, Jose Lomeli wrote: Hi, Listers, I guess I am a little hisatent on installing JAWS 12. Don't get me wrong I like all the new features of JAWS 12. But I have some concerns! Wen I want to lets say uninstal JAWS 11 How can I transfer the scripts from skype? Also I am running klango and it has some JAWS scripts. How can I transfer the scripts from one version of JAWS to the other? Please write back. Jose Lomeli Email: joselomel...@lavabit.com Website: http://all4webs.com/q/2/jlomeli9393 - Original Message - From: Don Marang donald.mar...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Date sent: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:30:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Back to the ResearchIt lookup of NFL scores. It seems everybody has preseason schedules screwed up. I thought the Eagles were playing the New York Giants, because that was what was in the TV listings. ESPN had several of the games wrong until at least half time. Now they correctly show the Eagles playing the New York Jets and even have the score right. Sorry, this is definitely not a FS issue! Now I need to look around in the new Settings Center because automatic Forms Mode in Windows Live Mail is just driving me crazy! Don Marang There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. Dean Kamen -- From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:07 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? I also have the ebay problem. Also with prev versions I haven't gotten to check it on this one yet but in the to field jaws would say instead of the list of emails. Troy - Original Message - From: CrisMunoz54 crismuno...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Overall it seems more stable as far as being an initial beta than other upgrades. No real major issues to speak of so far. I am however noticing some things, such as: 1. For whatever reason, in Google Reader via IE8, Jaws does feel a bit sluggish and unresponsive at times. Silence, slow to respond to commands, randomly being placed on other parts of the page, having to tab or shift tab to get focus back, etc. I don't find this to be the case when in Firefox though. It doesn't stop me from getting around Google Reader all together, but it is affecting my navigation. I don't' have this amount of trouble when using JFW 11 and IE8. 2. Again, in Google Reader, but this time from within Firefox, when clickin on a particular subscription feed or by doing a simple search from within the overall page and navegating down the various entries using the h key for headings, Jaws will read a bunch of garbled link text instead of that particular heading title. I've found that when going in reverse, (shift+h instead of just h) Jaws reads the entry titles perfectly fine. This isn't an issue in IE8 at all. I had reported this glitch in prior releases, but it's still present in version 12. 3. Jaws seems to have a lot of trouble with Firefox webpages that have a lot of links. When encountering a page with hundreds either by visiting a blog posting with hundreds of responces or if I'm searching for an item to buy and want all results shown on one page or again, if I'm in Google Reader and press the navigation button to have all my subscriptions appear (I have over 240 rss feeds for example(, JFW will become quite unresponsive and at times crash on me. Many times I almost have to step away from my machine since Jaws wont' even speak if I do an alt+tab to go to another app. This is especially an issue for me as I help my wife with her eBay store and when going into the seller's page, it takes forever for Jaws to talk. That is if I'm in fact lucky and JFW doesn't crash all together. I don't have this problem in IE8. I really started noticing this issue with JFW 11 and still with version 12. 4. I had reported a problem when upgrading from JFW 10 to 11 with all the information in my e-mails through Outlook 2003 (from, subject, date etc) being spoken twice when arrowing up and down the list view. I was able to reproduce this problem with the escalations department (Inquiry Number: 197907), but never got a solution to it. The same problem is present in version 12. I like the way how the configuration manager has been cleaned up and Firefox feels generally crisper than
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Reply directly to sender does not seem to work in outlook express for some reason or another. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Hi David and all. as I use Thunderbird this function does not apply to me. Sent using Thunderbird On 03/09/2010 10:49, David Ferrin wrote: Reply directly to sender does not seem to work in outlook express for some reason or another. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Eric Dameryedam...@freedomscientific.com To:jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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That's fine for you but Eric asked. I am considering road testing thunder bird again some time possibly. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi David and all. as I use Thunderbird this function does not apply to me. Sent using Thunderbird On 03/09/2010 10:49, David Ferrin wrote: Reply directly to sender does not seem to work in outlook express for some reason or another. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Eric Dameryedam...@freedomscientific.com To:jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Hi David. Oh I know. I don't know if it's me but there seems to be some usability improvements to Thunderbird. Can't explain until I've done more testing. It just seems more responsive whatever the weather. Mind you JAWS 12 is more responsive overall. Sent using Thunderbird On 03/09/2010 10:59, David Ferrin wrote: That's fine for you but Eric asked. I am considering road testing thunder bird again some time possibly. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: chris hallsworthchristopher...@googlemail.com To:jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi David and all. as I use Thunderbird this function does not apply to me. Sent using Thunderbird On 03/09/2010 10:49, David Ferrin wrote: Reply directly to sender does not seem to work in outlook express for some reason or another. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Eric Dameryedam...@freedomscientific.com To:jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Hi Eric, I haven't installed it yet, but I hope there's one issue solved that's been in most if not all jaws versions since the check for updates was implemented. When I do an update, and the update completes, there's no option to reboot the computer later rather than immediately. This is annoying, especially if you're in the middle of something and don't wish to restart your machine at that particular time. Aiden - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi Jim, We have moved away from the traditional Config Manager and put these into the Settings Center. Read the description below and experiment with the settings center using the new search option to find these items. I think you'll get the hang of it. Regards, Eric Settings Center JAWS Settings Center is a new feature that allows you to quickly configure and globally apply JAWS settings, or configure and apply settings for a specific application. It consolidates all options into one convenient dialog box. It includes a Search edit box, which provides an extremely fast way to find and edit JAWS functionality. Settings Center continues to use JCF files and is a direct replacement for Configuration Manager. Settings Center consists of six primary areas described below. Press TAB or SHIFT+TAB to move through different parts of the dialog box. * Application combo box: Select an application from the list to modify its settings for use with JAWS. To retrieve the JAWS default settings, press CTRL+SHIFT+D. To retrieve application settings, press SHIFT+TAB to move focus to the Application combo box. Next, select the application from the combo box, and then press TAB to move focus back to the tree view pane. * Search edit box: Press CTRL+E to move focus to the Search box. Type a search word or phrase in the edit box to reduce the number of items that appear in the tree view list. Press DOWN ARROW to move to search results, and then press ENTER to move focus directly to that item in the tree view. * Settings tree view pane: Use the tree view pane to select and change settings for the selected application. To retrieve the JAWS default settings, press CTRL+SHIFT+D. To retrieve application settings, press SHIFT+TAB twice to move focus to the Application combo box. Next, select the application from the combo box, and then press TAB to move focus back to the tree view pane. For a brief description of the item selected in the tree view, press TAB to move focus to the read-only edit box. Use the Say Line or Say All commands to read the help message. To vertically scroll through the tree view, use the UP and DOWN ARROW keys, PAGE UP and PAGE DOWN keys, or first letter navigation. Use the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys to expand or collapse tree view groups. Use the SPACEBAR to move through and change settings for each option. * Configuration display pane: As you move through the tree view, a sighted user can simultaneously track cursor movement using the configuration display pane. Press F6 to switch between the tree view and this pane. This is necessary when typing in an edit or edit spin box. * Help message pane: Displays context-sensitive help for the item currently selected in the tree view. Use the Say Line or Say All commands to read the help message. * Apply, OK, and Cancel: Use Apply to make changes. Use OK to save changes and close Settings Center. Use Cancel to close Settings Center without saving changes. To use Settings Center, do the following: 1. Press INSERT+F2, and select Settings Center. Settings appear for the application that has focus. The cursor is in the Search edit box. 2. If you know the setting that you want to change, type a term for it in the edit box. For example, type the word braille without the quotes for a filtered list of braille settings. Next, press DOWN ARROW to move to the filtered results in the tree view. Note: To load the default JAWS settings, press CTRL+SHIFT+D, and then search for the setting as previously described. To select a different application, press SHIFT+TAB to move to the Application edit box. Use ARROW Keys or first letter navigation to select the application, and then press CTRL+E to search for the setting as previously described. 3. Press SPACEBAR to select check boxes, radio buttons, or other buttons, and press F6 to switch between an edit box and the tree view to change settings. 4. Choose Apply to apply changes and remain in Settings Center, OK to save changes and exit Settings Center, or Cancel to close Settings Center without saving changes. The new settings are saved to the appropriate JCF file. From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com on behalf of Jim Rawls Sent: Thu 9/2/2010 8:26 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws
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I imagine I agree with you so far as responsiveness is concerned over all. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi David. Oh I know. I don't know if it's me but there seems to be some usability improvements to Thunderbird. Can't explain until I've done more testing. It just seems more responsive whatever the weather. Mind you JAWS 12 is more responsive overall. Sent using Thunderbird On 03/09/2010 10:59, David Ferrin wrote: That's fine for you but Eric asked. I am considering road testing thunder bird again some time possibly. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: chris hallsworthchristopher...@googlemail.com To:jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi David and all. as I use Thunderbird this function does not apply to me. Sent using Thunderbird On 03/09/2010 10:49, David Ferrin wrote: Reply directly to sender does not seem to work in outlook express for some reason or another. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Eric Dameryedam...@freedomscientific.com To:jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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I'm trying it here too. So far so good. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:06 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? I imagine I agree with you so far as responsiveness is concerned over all. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi David. Oh I know. I don't know if it's me but there seems to be some usability improvements to Thunderbird. Can't explain until I've done more testing. It just seems more responsive whatever the weather. Mind you JAWS 12 is more responsive overall. Sent using Thunderbird On 03/09/2010 10:59, David Ferrin wrote: That's fine for you but Eric asked. I am considering road testing thunder bird again some time possibly. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: chris hallsworthchristopher...@googlemail.com To:jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi David and all. as I use Thunderbird this function does not apply to me. Sent using Thunderbird On 03/09/2010 10:49, David Ferrin wrote: Reply directly to sender does not seem to work in outlook express for some reason or another. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Eric Dameryedam...@freedomscientific.com To:jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Don't uninstall JAWS11 yet, at least not until JAWS12 is out of beta and official. - Original Message - From: Jose Lomeli joselomel...@lavabit.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi, Listers, I guess I am a little hisatent on installing JAWS 12. Don't get me wrong I like all the new features of JAWS 12. But I have some concerns! Wen I want to lets say uninstal JAWS 11 How can I transfer the scripts from skype? Also I am running klango and it has some JAWS scripts. How can I transfer the scripts from one version of JAWS to the other? Please write back. Jose Lomeli Email: joselomel...@lavabit.com Website: http://all4webs.com/q/2/jlomeli9393 - Original Message - From: Don Marang donald.mar...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Date sent: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:30:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Back to the ResearchIt lookup of NFL scores. It seems everybody has preseason schedules screwed up. I thought the Eagles were playing the New York Giants, because that was what was in the TV listings. ESPN had several of the games wrong until at least half time. Now they correctly show the Eagles playing the New York Jets and even have the score right. Sorry, this is definitely not a FS issue! Now I need to look around in the new Settings Center because automatic Forms Mode in Windows Live Mail is just driving me crazy! Don Marang There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. Dean Kamen -- From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:07 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? I also have the ebay problem. Also with prev versions I haven't gotten to check it on this one yet but in the to field jaws would say instead of the list of emails. Troy - Original Message - From: CrisMunoz54 crismuno...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Overall it seems more stable as far as being an initial beta than other upgrades. No real major issues to speak of so far. I am however noticing some things, such as: 1. For whatever reason, in Google Reader via IE8, Jaws does feel a bit sluggish and unresponsive at times. Silence, slow to respond to commands, randomly being placed on other parts of the page, having to tab or shift tab to get focus back, etc. I don't find this to be the case when in Firefox though. It doesn't stop me from getting around Google Reader all together, but it is affecting my navigation. I don't' have this amount of trouble when using JFW 11 and IE8. 2. Again, in Google Reader, but this time from within Firefox, when clickin on a particular subscription feed or by doing a simple search from within the overall page and navegating down the various entries using the h key for headings, Jaws will read a bunch of garbled link text instead of that particular heading title. I've found that when going in reverse, (shift+h instead of just h) Jaws reads the entry titles perfectly fine. This isn't an issue in IE8 at all. I had reported this glitch in prior releases, but it's still present in version 12. 3. Jaws seems to have a lot of trouble with Firefox webpages that have a lot of links. When encountering a page with hundreds either by visiting a blog posting with hundreds of responces or if I'm searching for an item to buy and want all results shown on one page or again, if I'm in Google Reader and press the navigation button to have all my subscriptions appear (I have over 240 rss feeds for example(, JFW will become quite unresponsive and at times crash on me. Many times I almost have to step away from my machine since Jaws wont' even speak if I do an alt+tab to go to another app. This is especially an issue for me as I help my wife with her eBay store and when going into the seller's page, it takes forever for Jaws to talk. That is if I'm in fact lucky and JFW doesn't crash all together. I don't have this problem in IE8. I really started noticing this issue with JFW 11 and still with version 12. 4. I had reported a problem when upgrading from JFW 10 to 11 with all the information in my e-mails through Outlook 2003 (from, subject, date etc) being spoken twice when arrowing up and down the list view. I was able to reproduce this problem with the escalations department (Inquiry Number: 197907), but never got a solution to it. The same problem is present
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For what it is worth, I never uninstall previous well working versions. Unless you are really tight on Hard Disk space I don't see the sense. many times I've found an issue that arises that a previous versions handled ok. Just my two cents Al -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]on Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:45 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Don't uninstall JAWS11 yet, at least not until JAWS12 is out of beta and official. - Original Message - From: Jose Lomeli joselomel...@lavabit.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi, Listers, I guess I am a little hisatent on installing JAWS 12. Don't get me wrong I like all the new features of JAWS 12. But I have some concerns! Wen I want to lets say uninstal JAWS 11 How can I transfer the scripts from skype? Also I am running klango and it has some JAWS scripts. How can I transfer the scripts from one version of JAWS to the other? Please write back. Jose Lomeli Email: joselomel...@lavabit.com Website: http://all4webs.com/q/2/jlomeli9393 - Original Message - From: Don Marang donald.mar...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Date sent: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:30:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Back to the ResearchIt lookup of NFL scores. It seems everybody has preseason schedules screwed up. I thought the Eagles were playing the New York Giants, because that was what was in the TV listings. ESPN had several of the games wrong until at least half time. Now they correctly show the Eagles playing the New York Jets and even have the score right. Sorry, this is definitely not a FS issue! Now I need to look around in the new Settings Center because automatic Forms Mode in Windows Live Mail is just driving me crazy! Don Marang There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. Dean Kamen -- From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:07 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? I also have the ebay problem. Also with prev versions I haven't gotten to check it on this one yet but in the to field jaws would say instead of the list of emails. Troy - Original Message - From: CrisMunoz54 crismuno...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Overall it seems more stable as far as being an initial beta than other upgrades. No real major issues to speak of so far. I am however noticing some things, such as: 1. For whatever reason, in Google Reader via IE8, Jaws does feel a bit sluggish and unresponsive at times. Silence, slow to respond to commands, randomly being placed on other parts of the page, having to tab or shift tab to get focus back, etc. I don't find this to be the case when in Firefox though. It doesn't stop me from getting around Google Reader all together, but it is affecting my navigation. I don't' have this amount of trouble when using JFW 11 and IE8. 2. Again, in Google Reader, but this time from within Firefox, when clickin on a particular subscription feed or by doing a simple search from within the overall page and navegating down the various entries using the h key for headings, Jaws will read a bunch of garbled link text instead of that particular heading title. I've found that when going in reverse, (shift+h instead of just h) Jaws reads the entry titles perfectly fine. This isn't an issue in IE8 at all. I had reported this glitch in prior releases, but it's still present in version 12. 3. Jaws seems to have a lot of trouble with Firefox webpages that have a lot of links. When encountering a page with hundreds either by visiting a blog posting with hundreds of responces or if I'm searching for an item to buy and want all results shown on one page or again, if I'm in Google Reader and press the navigation button to have all my subscriptions appear (I have over 240 rss feeds for example(, JFW will become quite unresponsive and at times crash on me. Many times I almost have to step away from my machine since Jaws wont' even speak if I do an alt+tab to go to another app. This is especially an issue for me as I help my wife with her eBay store and when going into the seller's page, it takes forever for Jaws to talk. That is if I'm in fact
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
I would like to remind everyone that if in JAWS 11, you have added scripts which modified the default script file in JAWS 11, moving that set of scripts to JAWS 12 will likely prevent you from getting JAWS to work correctly since the default scripts in 12 are newer than the 11 scripts. I'm not certain but I think this could be the case with any Skype scripts you may have added in the past. For other applications specific scripts that you have sitting in your JAWS 11 User Settings Folder, moving those in should be OK. Of course I think it is always wise to install and try the new version without making any changes first and then work things in after doing some experimentation first. Finally, I agree with Flor, you should not uninstall JAWS 11 just because you install the Public Beta of 12. This is not necessary. You will just have to keep track of which version you are actually running of course. Regards, Eric -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:45 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Don't uninstall JAWS11 yet, at least not until JAWS12 is out of beta and official. - Original Message - From: Jose Lomeli joselomel...@lavabit.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi, Listers, I guess I am a little hisatent on installing JAWS 12. Don't get me wrong I like all the new features of JAWS 12. But I have some concerns! Wen I want to lets say uninstal JAWS 11 How can I transfer the scripts from skype? Also I am running klango and it has some JAWS scripts. How can I transfer the scripts from one version of JAWS to the other? Please write back. Jose Lomeli Email: joselomel...@lavabit.com Website: http://all4webs.com/q/2/jlomeli9393 - Original Message - From: Don Marang donald.mar...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Date sent: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:30:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Back to the ResearchIt lookup of NFL scores. It seems everybody has preseason schedules screwed up. I thought the Eagles were playing the New York Giants, because that was what was in the TV listings. ESPN had several of the games wrong until at least half time. Now they correctly show the Eagles playing the New York Jets and even have the score right. Sorry, this is definitely not a FS issue! Now I need to look around in the new Settings Center because automatic Forms Mode in Windows Live Mail is just driving me crazy! Don Marang There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. Dean Kamen -- From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:07 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? I also have the ebay problem. Also with prev versions I haven't gotten to check it on this one yet but in the to field jaws would say instead of the list of emails. Troy - Original Message - From: CrisMunoz54 crismuno...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Overall it seems more stable as far as being an initial beta than other upgrades. No real major issues to speak of so far. I am however noticing some things, such as: 1. For whatever reason, in Google Reader via IE8, Jaws does feel a bit sluggish and unresponsive at times. Silence, slow to respond to commands, randomly being placed on other parts of the page, having to tab or shift tab to get focus back, etc. I don't find this to be the case when in Firefox though. It doesn't stop me from getting around Google Reader all together, but it is affecting my navigation. I don't' have this amount of trouble when using JFW 11 and IE8. 2. Again, in Google Reader, but this time from within Firefox, when clickin on a particular subscription feed or by doing a simple search from within the overall page and navegating down the various entries using the h key for headings, Jaws will read a bunch of garbled link text instead of that particular heading title. I've found that when going in reverse, (shift+h instead of just h) Jaws reads the entry titles perfectly fine. This isn't an issue in IE8 at all. I had reported this glitch in prior releases, but it's still present in version 12. 3. Jaws seems to have a lot of trouble with Firefox webpages that have a lot of links. When
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Too late. Many blocked people are very powerful creative personalities who have been made to feel guilty about their own strengths gifts. --Julia Cameron - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? I would like to remind everyone that if in JAWS 11, you have added scripts which modified the default script file in JAWS 11, moving that set of scripts to JAWS 12 will likely prevent you from getting JAWS to work correctly since the default scripts in 12 are newer than the 11 scripts. I'm not certain but I think this could be the case with any Skype scripts you may have added in the past. For other applications specific scripts that you have sitting in your JAWS 11 User Settings Folder, moving those in should be OK. Of course I think it is always wise to install and try the new version without making any changes first and then work things in after doing some experimentation first. Finally, I agree with Flor, you should not uninstall JAWS 11 just because you install the Public Beta of 12. This is not necessary. You will just have to keep track of which version you are actually running of course. Regards, Eric -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:45 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Don't uninstall JAWS11 yet, at least not until JAWS12 is out of beta and official. - Original Message - From: Jose Lomeli joselomel...@lavabit.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi, Listers, I guess I am a little hisatent on installing JAWS 12. Don't get me wrong I like all the new features of JAWS 12. But I have some concerns! Wen I want to lets say uninstal JAWS 11 How can I transfer the scripts from skype? Also I am running klango and it has some JAWS scripts. How can I transfer the scripts from one version of JAWS to the other? Please write back. Jose Lomeli Email: joselomel...@lavabit.com Website: http://all4webs.com/q/2/jlomeli9393 - Original Message - From: Don Marang donald.mar...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Date sent: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:30:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Back to the ResearchIt lookup of NFL scores. It seems everybody has preseason schedules screwed up. I thought the Eagles were playing the New York Giants, because that was what was in the TV listings. ESPN had several of the games wrong until at least half time. Now they correctly show the Eagles playing the New York Jets and even have the score right. Sorry, this is definitely not a FS issue! Now I need to look around in the new Settings Center because automatic Forms Mode in Windows Live Mail is just driving me crazy! Don Marang There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. Dean Kamen -- From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:07 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? I also have the ebay problem. Also with prev versions I haven't gotten to check it on this one yet but in the to field jaws would say instead of the list of emails. Troy - Original Message - From: CrisMunoz54 crismuno...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Overall it seems more stable as far as being an initial beta than other upgrades. No real major issues to speak of so far. I am however noticing some things, such as: 1. For whatever reason, in Google Reader via IE8, Jaws does feel a bit sluggish and unresponsive at times. Silence, slow to respond to commands, randomly being placed on other parts of the page, having to tab or shift tab to get focus back, etc. I don't find this to be the case when in Firefox though. It doesn't stop me from getting around Google Reader all together, but it is affecting my navigation. I don't' have this amount of trouble when using JFW 11 and IE8. 2. Again, in Google Reader, but this time from within Firefox, when clickin on a particular subscription feed or by doing a simple search from within the overall page and navegating down the various entries using the h key for headings, Jaws will read a bunch of garbled link text
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Well, if or when you want it you can still reinstall JAWS11 from the FS Web site. It doesn't have to be too late. Beta software, no matter how good it is or appears to be, is still just a beta - not a fully supported, version of a program. No doubt there will be some minor changes made to JAWS during the beta process. - Original Message - From: Nicole goldyemo...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Too late. Many blocked people are very powerful creative personalities who have been made to feel guilty about their own strengths gifts. --Julia Cameron - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? I would like to remind everyone that if in JAWS 11, you have added scripts which modified the default script file in JAWS 11, moving that set of scripts to JAWS 12 will likely prevent you from getting JAWS to work correctly since the default scripts in 12 are newer than the 11 scripts. I'm not certain but I think this could be the case with any Skype scripts you may have added in the past. For other applications specific scripts that you have sitting in your JAWS 11 User Settings Folder, moving those in should be OK. Of course I think it is always wise to install and try the new version without making any changes first and then work things in after doing some experimentation first. Finally, I agree with Flor, you should not uninstall JAWS 11 just because you install the Public Beta of 12. This is not necessary. You will just have to keep track of which version you are actually running of course. Regards, Eric -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:45 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Don't uninstall JAWS11 yet, at least not until JAWS12 is out of beta and official. - Original Message - From: Jose Lomeli joselomel...@lavabit.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi, Listers, I guess I am a little hisatent on installing JAWS 12. Don't get me wrong I like all the new features of JAWS 12. But I have some concerns! Wen I want to lets say uninstal JAWS 11 How can I transfer the scripts from skype? Also I am running klango and it has some JAWS scripts. How can I transfer the scripts from one version of JAWS to the other? Please write back. Jose Lomeli Email: joselomel...@lavabit.com Website: http://all4webs.com/q/2/jlomeli9393 - Original Message - From: Don Marang donald.mar...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Date sent: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:30:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Back to the ResearchIt lookup of NFL scores. It seems everybody has preseason schedules screwed up. I thought the Eagles were playing the New York Giants, because that was what was in the TV listings. ESPN had several of the games wrong until at least half time. Now they correctly show the Eagles playing the New York Jets and even have the score right. Sorry, this is definitely not a FS issue! Now I need to look around in the new Settings Center because automatic Forms Mode in Windows Live Mail is just driving me crazy! Don Marang There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. Dean Kamen -- From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:07 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? I also have the ebay problem. Also with prev versions I haven't gotten to check it on this one yet but in the to field jaws would say instead of the list of emails. Troy - Original Message - From: CrisMunoz54 crismuno...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Overall it seems more stable as far as being an initial beta than other upgrades. No real major issues to speak of so far. I am however noticing some things, such as: 1. For whatever reason, in Google Reader via IE8, Jaws does feel a bit sluggish and unresponsive at times. Silence, slow to respond to commands, randomly being placed on other parts of the page, having to tab
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The JAWS 12 beta seems very stable so far! I was deeply disappointed in the stability of JAWS 11. In fact, I felt cheated! I was not able to use JAWS 11 very much all year until the last update. The last update fixed the beyond annoying issues and finally made it possible to use daily. The prior strange issues with user scripts of any type and Windows Live Mail were unexplainable. Tech Support blamed it on my Windows account and I would need to reinstall Windows. It did not effect any other programs, which all work fine, so I just used JAWS 10. I really like the new Settings Center. This should make it easier for users of all experiences to find the setting they want to change. I had one exception. I wanted to set punctuation to All for Script Manager. There was no way to set this directly in Settings Manager or an indication to add a voice profile. Of course, I knew how to create a new Voice Profile in JAWS 11 then switch profiles when in Script Manager and this still worked. If you type in voice profile or profile, nothing is available. If I just type voice, there are three hits found, but nothing for voice profiles. However, for someone who has never figured this out in JAWS 11, I am sure they will not know how to set this. Is this a bug or just a suggestion? Are suggestions also submitted as beta bug reports? By the way, I always set Insert + ` to the SetPunctuation function in default settings as well. I would also like to have hotkeys for the Application Volume Controls for the current application in Vista and Windows 7. This is not an issue if the current, active application is Windows Media Player or other application with it's own volume controls. However, many applications, like Internet Explorer and many others, do not have hotkeys for volume. Needing to Open the System Tray, Open the Volume Mixer, and find the active application can be difficult if the application's volume is extremely loud. I half heartedly attempted to create my own JAWS Scripts to do this using a small free utility, nircmd.exe. This works great if you can obtain the exact name used for the application in the volume mixer. I have not figured out how to do this, The names are also slightly different in Vista and Windows 7. I am excited about the new Settings Center, recent additions to the scripting language, and the stability of JAWS 12 so far. Of course, I was excited at first when the JAWS 11 beta first came out as well. Don Marang There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. Dean Kamen -- From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 5:49 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Reply directly to sender does not seem to work in outlook express for some reason or another. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Is anyone experiencing the following: In Outlook 2003, when I go over to the calander and arrow back and forth through the different days, Jaws will repeatedly say 2. It doesn't matter how many appointments I may have for any particular day or any at all. Jaws will just continue to say 2,2,2,2,2,2. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Don Marang Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:11 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? The JAWS 12 beta seems very stable so far! I was deeply disappointed in the stability of JAWS 11. In fact, I felt cheated! I was not able to use JAWS 11 very much all year until the last update. The last update fixed the beyond annoying issues and finally made it possible to use daily. The prior strange issues with user scripts of any type and Windows Live Mail were unexplainable. Tech Support blamed it on my Windows account and I would need to reinstall Windows. It did not effect any other programs, which all work fine, so I just used JAWS 10. I really like the new Settings Center. This should make it easier for users of all experiences to find the setting they want to change. I had one exception. I wanted to set punctuation to All for Script Manager. There was no way to set this directly in Settings Manager or an indication to add a voice profile. Of course, I knew how to create a new Voice Profile in JAWS 11 then switch profiles when in Script Manager and this still worked. If you type in voice profile or profile, nothing is available. If I just type voice, there are three hits found, but nothing for voice profiles. However, for someone who has never figured this out in JAWS 11, I am sure they will not know how to set this. Is this a bug or just a suggestion? Are suggestions also submitted as beta bug reports? By the way, I always set Insert + ` to the SetPunctuation function in default settings as well. I would also like to have hotkeys for the Application Volume Controls for the current application in Vista and Windows 7. This is not an issue if the current, active application is Windows Media Player or other application with it's own volume controls. However, many applications, like Internet Explorer and many others, do not have hotkeys for volume. Needing to Open the System Tray, Open the Volume Mixer, and find the active application can be difficult if the application's volume is extremely loud. I half heartedly attempted to create my own JAWS Scripts to do this using a small free utility, nircmd.exe. This works great if you can obtain the exact name used for the application in the volume mixer. I have not figured out how to do this, The names are also slightly different in Vista and Windows 7. I am excited about the new Settings Center, recent additions to the scripting language, and the stability of JAWS 12 so far. Of course, I was excited at first when the JAWS 11 beta first came out as well. Don Marang There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. Dean Kamen -- From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 5:49 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Reply directly to sender does not seem to work in outlook express for some reason or another. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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I admit to not being very technically minded, but I'm finding it harder in JAWS12 to change some of my keys on my keyboard so as not to speak. i.e. I don't want to hear the tab key or the enter key or escape key spoken when pressed. Sunny Day Maria Campbell lucky1i...@sbcglobal.net When the power of love is stronger than the love of power then the world will know peace. On 9/2/2010 8:32 PM, Eric Damery wrote: Hi Jim, We have moved away from the traditional Config Manager and put these into the Settings Center. Read the description below and experiment with the settings center using the new search option to find these items. I think you'll get the hang of it. Regards, Eric Settings Center JAWS Settings Center is a new feature that allows you to quickly configure and globally apply JAWS settings, or configure and apply settings for a specific application. It consolidates all options into one convenient dialog box. It includes a Search edit box, which provides an extremely fast way to find and edit JAWS functionality. Settings Center continues to use JCF files and is a direct replacement for Configuration Manager. Settings Center consists of six primary areas described below. Press TAB or SHIFT+TAB to move through different parts of the dialog box. * Application combo box: Select an application from the list to modify its settings for use with JAWS. To retrieve the JAWS default settings, press CTRL+SHIFT+D. To retrieve application settings, press SHIFT+TAB to move focus to the Application combo box. Next, select the application from the combo box, and then press TAB to move focus back to the tree view pane. * Search edit box: Press CTRL+E to move focus to the Search box. Type a search word or phrase in the edit box to reduce the number of items that appear in the tree view list. Press DOWN ARROW to move to search results, and then press ENTER to move focus directly to that item in the tree view. * Settings tree view pane: Use the tree view pane to select and change settings for the selected application. To retrieve the JAWS default settings, press CTRL+SHIFT+D. To retrieve application settings, press SHIFT+TAB twice to move focus to the Application combo box. Next, select the application from the combo box, and then press TAB to move focus back to the tree view pane. For a brief description of the item selected in the tree view, press TAB to move focus to the read-only edit box. Use the Say Line or Say All commands to read the help message. To vertically scroll through the tree view, use the UP and DOWN ARROW keys, PAGE UP and PAGE DOWN keys, or first letter navigation. Use the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys to expand or collapse tree view groups. Use the SPACEBAR to move through and change settings for each option. * Configuration display pane: As you move through the tree view, a sighted user can simultaneously track cursor movement using the configuration display pane. Press F6 to switch between the tree view and this pane. This is necessary when typing in an edit or edit spin box. * Help message pane: Displays context-sensitive help for the item currently selected in the tree view. Use the Say Line or Say All commands to read the help message. * Apply, OK, and Cancel: Use Apply to make changes. Use OK to save changes and close Settings Center. Use Cancel to close Settings Center without saving changes. To use Settings Center, do the following: 1. Press INSERT+F2, and select Settings Center. Settings appear for the application that has focus. The cursor is in the Search edit box. 2. If you know the setting that you want to change, type a term for it in the edit box. For example, type the word braille without the quotes for a filtered list of braille settings. Next, press DOWN ARROW to move to the filtered results in the tree view. Note: To load the default JAWS settings, press CTRL+SHIFT+D, and then search for the setting as previously described. To select a different application, press SHIFT+TAB to move to the Application edit box. Use ARROW Keys or first letter navigation to select the application, and then press CTRL+E to search for the setting as previously described. 3. Press SPACEBAR to select check boxes, radio buttons, or other buttons, and press F6 to switch between an edit box and the tree view to change settings. 4. Choose Apply to apply changes and remain in Settings Center, OK to save changes and exit Settings Center, or Cancel to close Settings Center without saving changes. The new settings are saved to the appropriate JCF file. From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com on behalf of Jim Rawls Sent: Thu 9/2/2010 8:26 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Erick, I have had some trouble with forms mode. I want it off, and I have had trouble getting it that way
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Sent: Thu 9/2/2010 8:26 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Erick, I have had some trouble with forms mode. I want it off, and I have had trouble getting it that way. also, I want to uncheck blocked quotes. Where is that? I couldn't find it. also, I want some translation in numbers. Again, Where is that? Jim For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Hi all. Yes, JAWS 12 is very stable and responsive indeed so far. I think FS would welcome any suggestions in their beta report form. After all technical support is still for JAWS 11. Sent using Thunderbird On 03/09/2010 17:11, Don Marang wrote: The JAWS 12 beta seems very stable so far! I was deeply disappointed in the stability of JAWS 11. In fact, I felt cheated! I was not able to use JAWS 11 very much all year until the last update. The last update fixed the beyond annoying issues and finally made it possible to use daily. The prior strange issues with user scripts of any type and Windows Live Mail were unexplainable. Tech Support blamed it on my Windows account and I would need to reinstall Windows. It did not effect any other programs, which all work fine, so I just used JAWS 10. I really like the new Settings Center. This should make it easier for users of all experiences to find the setting they want to change. I had one exception. I wanted to set punctuation to All for Script Manager. There was no way to set this directly in Settings Manager or an indication to add a voice profile. Of course, I knew how to create a new Voice Profile in JAWS 11 then switch profiles when in Script Manager and this still worked. If you type in voice profile or profile, nothing is available. If I just type voice, there are three hits found, but nothing for voice profiles. However, for someone who has never figured this out in JAWS 11, I am sure they will not know how to set this. Is this a bug or just a suggestion? Are suggestions also submitted as beta bug reports? By the way, I always set Insert + ` to the SetPunctuation function in default settings as well. I would also like to have hotkeys for the Application Volume Controls for the current application in Vista and Windows 7. This is not an issue if the current, active application is Windows Media Player or other application with it's own volume controls. However, many applications, like Internet Explorer and many others, do not have hotkeys for volume. Needing to Open the System Tray, Open the Volume Mixer, and find the active application can be difficult if the application's volume is extremely loud. I half heartedly attempted to create my own JAWS Scripts to do this using a small free utility, nircmd.exe. This works great if you can obtain the exact name used for the application in the volume mixer. I have not figured out how to do this, The names are also slightly different in Vista and Windows 7. I am excited about the new Settings Center, recent additions to the scripting language, and the stability of JAWS 12 so far. Of course, I was excited at first when the JAWS 11 beta first came out as well. Don Marang There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. Dean Kamen -- From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 5:49 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Reply directly to sender does not seem to work in outlook express for some reason or another. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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So is Thunderbird still giving all that unnecesssary information Chris or is it better now? i.e so many headers and columns. Graham -- From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 4:37 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? So far so good Eric I have to say. I don't have any major issues to report. Sent using Thunderbird On 02/09/2010 23:47, Eric Damery wrote: Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Hi all. I am not hearing header rows and columns with this beta. I don't think I hear it in JAWS 11 and even JAWS 10. Sent using Thunderbird On 03/09/2010 18:04, Graham Smith wrote: So is Thunderbird still giving all that unnecesssary information Chris or is it better now? i.e so many headers and columns. Graham -- From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 4:37 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? So far so good Eric I have to say. I don't have any major issues to report. Sent using Thunderbird On 02/09/2010 23:47, Eric Damery wrote: Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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-- From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.comNo, but you have to listen to a whole whack of columns though, right, I appreciate that the headers and column titles may not be being read but as I remember there were about eight columns of annoying information that was not needed and was really annoying, have I got it all wrong or is it worth trying again. Thanks I must just add that live mail seems a lot better with 12, I have not had one message fail to read yet, hopefully that annoying problem has been solved. Graham Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 1:12 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi all. I am not hearing header rows and columns with this beta. I don't think I hear it in JAWS 11 and even JAWS 10. Sent using Thunderbird On 03/09/2010 18:04, Graham Smith wrote: So is Thunderbird still giving all that unnecesssary information Chris or is it better now? i.e so many headers and columns. Graham -- From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 4:37 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? So far so good Eric I have to say. I don't have any major issues to report. Sent using Thunderbird On 02/09/2010 23:47, Eric Damery wrote: Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Hmm. I think they are still being announced. This is a bug in IAccessibleII and not JAWS. Sent using Thunderbird On 03/09/2010 20:24, Graham Smith wrote: -- From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.comNo, but you have to listen to a whole whack of columns though, right, I appreciate that the headers and column titles may not be being read but as I remember there were about eight columns of annoying information that was not needed and was really annoying, have I got it all wrong or is it worth trying again. Thanks I must just add that live mail seems a lot better with 12, I have not had one message fail to read yet, hopefully that annoying problem has been solved. Graham Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 1:12 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi all. I am not hearing header rows and columns with this beta. I don't think I hear it in JAWS 11 and even JAWS 10. Sent using Thunderbird On 03/09/2010 18:04, Graham Smith wrote: So is Thunderbird still giving all that unnecesssary information Chris or is it better now? i.e so many headers and columns. Graham -- From: chris hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 4:37 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? So far so good Eric I have to say. I don't have any major issues to report. Sent using Thunderbird On 02/09/2010 23:47, Eric Damery wrote: Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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You also might wanna keep jaws11 if your SMA needs removed and you don't have the money to pay for the upgrade. - Original Message - From: Nicole goldyemo...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Too late. Many blocked people are very powerful creative personalities who have been made to feel guilty about their own strengths gifts. --Julia Cameron - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? I would like to remind everyone that if in JAWS 11, you have added scripts which modified the default script file in JAWS 11, moving that set of scripts to JAWS 12 will likely prevent you from getting JAWS to work correctly since the default scripts in 12 are newer than the 11 scripts. I'm not certain but I think this could be the case with any Skype scripts you may have added in the past. For other applications specific scripts that you have sitting in your JAWS 11 User Settings Folder, moving those in should be OK. Of course I think it is always wise to install and try the new version without making any changes first and then work things in after doing some experimentation first. Finally, I agree with Flor, you should not uninstall JAWS 11 just because you install the Public Beta of 12. This is not necessary. You will just have to keep track of which version you are actually running of course. Regards, Eric -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:45 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Don't uninstall JAWS11 yet, at least not until JAWS12 is out of beta and official. - Original Message - From: Jose Lomeli joselomel...@lavabit.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi, Listers, I guess I am a little hisatent on installing JAWS 12. Don't get me wrong I like all the new features of JAWS 12. But I have some concerns! Wen I want to lets say uninstal JAWS 11 How can I transfer the scripts from skype? Also I am running klango and it has some JAWS scripts. How can I transfer the scripts from one version of JAWS to the other? Please write back. Jose Lomeli Email: joselomel...@lavabit.com Website: http://all4webs.com/q/2/jlomeli9393 - Original Message - From: Don Marang donald.mar...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Date sent: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:30:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Back to the ResearchIt lookup of NFL scores. It seems everybody has preseason schedules screwed up. I thought the Eagles were playing the New York Giants, because that was what was in the TV listings. ESPN had several of the games wrong until at least half time. Now they correctly show the Eagles playing the New York Jets and even have the score right. Sorry, this is definitely not a FS issue! Now I need to look around in the new Settings Center because automatic Forms Mode in Windows Live Mail is just driving me crazy! Don Marang There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. Dean Kamen -- From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:07 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? I also have the ebay problem. Also with prev versions I haven't gotten to check it on this one yet but in the to field jaws would say instead of the list of emails. Troy - Original Message - From: CrisMunoz54 crismuno...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Overall it seems more stable as far as being an initial beta than other upgrades. No real major issues to speak of so far. I am however noticing some things, such as: 1. For whatever reason, in Google Reader via IE8, Jaws does feel a bit sluggish and unresponsive at times. Silence, slow to respond to commands, randomly being placed on other parts of the page, having to tab or shift tab to get focus back, etc. I don't find this to be the case when in Firefox though. It doesn't stop me from getting around Google Reader all together, but it is affecting my navigation. I don't' have
[JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Hello, The beta version of JFW 12 does not have support for the external Dec-Talk synthesizer. Will that support be included with the final release? I have grown accustomed to my Dec-Talk and still feel that it is more responsive then the sound card synthesizers. Thanks, TJ =) [:/:] - - - We cannot control the wind, but we can adjust our sails. - Chinese proverb. - - - [:\:] For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Hi all. If not how about Dectalk Access32? Sent using Thunderbird On 03/09/2010 23:41, TJ McElroy gMail wrote: Hello, The beta version of JFW 12 does not have support for the external Dec-Talk synthesizer. Will that support be included with the final release? I have grown accustomed to my Dec-Talk and still feel that it is more responsive then the sound card synthesizers. Thanks, TJ =) [:/:] - - - We cannot control the wind, but we can adjust our sails. - Chinese proverb. - - - [:\:] For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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I must disagree as I am typing this message using a DEC talk express. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: TJ McElroy gMail mcelroy...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello, The beta version of JFW 12 does not have support for the external Dec-Talk synthesizer. Will that support be included with the final release? I have grown accustomed to my Dec-Talk and still feel that it is more responsive then the sound card synthesizers. Thanks, TJ =) [:/:] - - - We cannot control the wind, but we can adjust our sails. - Chinese proverb. - - - [:\:] For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Huh, strange. I'm using a external Dectalk serial synthesizer with Jaws 12 Beta as I type this. Look in your Jaws utilities, synthesizer and Braille manager. I don't, of course, have serial ports on this modern PC, so I use a USB-to-serial converter, but as far as Jaws is concerned, it is a serial synthesizer running on comm3. Steve Lansing, MI - Original Message - From: TJ McElroy gMail mcelroy...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello, The beta version of JFW 12 does not have support for the external Dec-Talk synthesizer. Will that support be included with the final release? I have grown accustomed to my Dec-Talk and still feel that it is more responsive then the sound card synthesizers. Thanks, TJ =) [:/:] - - - We cannot control the wind, but we can adjust our sails. - Chinese proverb. - - - [:\:] For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
So far it's fine after about an hour of working with it. No problems to report as of yet. It does seem quite responsive to this point. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
So far so good. I tried it with iTune, winamp, and window live email. The only problem I see is with window live email. Whenever I load it JAWS 12 says welcome to outlook express and them window live email. Follow your podcast on how to do text with sound with say all scheme and works well. I need to remember there is no global setting any more. I am OK with it so far. -Original Message- From: Eric Damery Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 5:47 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ Holger Fiallo Kind Regard For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Erick, I have had some trouble with forms mode. I want it off, and I have had trouble getting it that way. also, I want to uncheck blocked quotes. Where is that? I couldn't find it. also, I want some translation in numbers. Again, Where is that? Jim For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Overall it seems more stable as far as being an initial beta than other upgrades. No real major issues to speak of so far. I am however noticing some things, such as: 1. For whatever reason, in Google Reader via IE8, Jaws does feel a bit sluggish and unresponsive at times. Silence, slow to respond to commands, randomly being placed on other parts of the page, having to tab or shift tab to get focus back, etc. I dont find this to be the case when in Firefox though. It doesnt stop me from getting around Google Reader all together, but it is affecting my navigation. I dont have this amount of trouble when using JFW 11 and IE8. 2. Again, in Google Reader, but this time from within Firefox, when clickin on a particular subscription feed or by doing a simple search from within the overall page and navegating down the various entries using the h key for headings, Jaws will read a bunch of garbled link text instead of that particular heading title. Ive found that when going in reverse, (shift+h instead of just h) Jaws reads the entry titles perfectly fine. This isnt an issue in IE8 at all. I had reported this glitch in prior releases, but its still present in version 12. 3. Jaws seems to have a lot of trouble with Firefox webpages that have a lot of links. When encountering a page with hundreds either by visiting a blog posting with hundreds of responces or if Im searching for an item to buy and want all results shown on one page or again, if Im in Google Reader and press the navigation button to have all my subscriptions appear (I have over 240 rss feeds for example(, JFW will become quite unresponsive and at times crash on me. Many times I almost have to step away from my machine since Jaws wont even speak if I do an alt+tab to go to another app. This is especially an issue for me as I help my wife with her eBay store and when going into the sellers page, it takes forever for Jaws to talk. That is if Im in fact lucky and JFW doesnt crash all together. I dont have this problem in IE8. I really started noticing this issue with JFW 11 and still with version 12. 4. I had reported a problem when upgrading from JFW 10 to 11 with all the information in my e-mails through Outlook 2003 (from, subject, date etc) being spoken twice when arrowing up and down the list view. I was able to reproduce this problem with the escalations department (Inquiry Number: 197907), but never got a solution to it. The same problem is present in version 12. I like the way how the configuration manager has been cleaned up and Firefox feels generally crisper than in versions past. Google Voice seems to be a lot cleaner through Mozilla than with IE. Not too easy if at all when trying to make calls through the gmail page itself though. I I appreciate the request for feedback and hope my comments have helped in some way. Thanks, Cris -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Eric Damery Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:47 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Hi Jim, We have moved away from the traditional Config Manager and put these into the Settings Center. Read the description below and experiment with the settings center using the new search option to find these items. I think you'll get the hang of it. Regards, Eric Settings Center JAWS Settings Center is a new feature that allows you to quickly configure and globally apply JAWS settings, or configure and apply settings for a specific application. It consolidates all options into one convenient dialog box. It includes a Search edit box, which provides an extremely fast way to find and edit JAWS functionality. Settings Center continues to use JCF files and is a direct replacement for Configuration Manager. Settings Center consists of six primary areas described below. Press TAB or SHIFT+TAB to move through different parts of the dialog box. * Application combo box: Select an application from the list to modify its settings for use with JAWS. To retrieve the JAWS default settings, press CTRL+SHIFT+D. To retrieve application settings, press SHIFT+TAB to move focus to the Application combo box. Next, select the application from the combo box, and then press TAB to move focus back to the tree view pane. * Search edit box: Press CTRL+E to move focus to the Search box. Type a search word or phrase in the edit box to reduce the number of items that appear in the tree view list. Press DOWN ARROW to move to search results, and then press ENTER to move focus directly to that item in the tree view. * Settings tree view pane: Use the tree view pane to select and change settings for the selected application. To retrieve the JAWS default settings, press CTRL+SHIFT+D. To retrieve application settings, press SHIFT+TAB twice to move focus to the Application combo box. Next, select the application from the combo box, and then press TAB to move focus back to the tree view pane. For a brief description of the item selected in the tree view, press TAB to move focus to the read-only edit box. Use the Say Line or Say All commands to read the help message. To vertically scroll through the tree view, use the UP and DOWN ARROW keys, PAGE UP and PAGE DOWN keys, or first letter navigation. Use the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys to expand or collapse tree view groups. Use the SPACEBAR to move through and change settings for each option. * Configuration display pane: As you move through the tree view, a sighted user can simultaneously track cursor movement using the configuration display pane. Press F6 to switch between the tree view and this pane. This is necessary when typing in an edit or edit spin box. * Help message pane: Displays context-sensitive help for the item currently selected in the tree view. Use the Say Line or Say All commands to read the help message. * Apply, OK, and Cancel: Use Apply to make changes. Use OK to save changes and close Settings Center. Use Cancel to close Settings Center without saving changes. To use Settings Center, do the following: 1. Press INSERT+F2, and select Settings Center. Settings appear for the application that has focus. The cursor is in the Search edit box. 2. If you know the setting that you want to change, type a term for it in the edit box. For example, type the word braille without the quotes for a filtered list of braille settings. Next, press DOWN ARROW to move to the filtered results in the tree view. Note: To load the default JAWS settings, press CTRL+SHIFT+D, and then search for the setting as previously described. To select a different application, press SHIFT+TAB to move to the Application edit box. Use ARROW Keys or first letter navigation to select the application, and then press CTRL+E to search for the setting as previously described. 3. Press SPACEBAR to select check boxes, radio buttons, or other buttons, and press F6 to switch between an edit box and the tree view to change settings. 4. Choose Apply to apply changes and remain in Settings Center, OK to save changes and exit Settings Center, or Cancel to close Settings Center without saving changes. The new settings are saved to the appropriate JCF file. From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com on behalf of Jim Rawls Sent: Thu 9/2/2010 8:26 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Erick, I have had some trouble with forms mode. I want it off, and I have had trouble getting it that way. also, I want to uncheck blocked quotes. Where is that? I couldn't find it. also, I want some translation in numbers. Again, Where is that? Jim For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Fine so far. Many blocked people are very powerful creative personalities who have been made to feel guilty about their own strengths gifts. --Julia Cameron - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
This is a minor issue and probably not the fault of Freedom Scientific. I am watching preseason football, advertised as live. It is my Eagles hosting the New York Giants here at Lincoln Field in Philadelphia, which started at 7:30 pm EST. I attempted to get the latest score using ResearchIt. It does not show the Eagles playing today. It does show the Giants playing the Patriots and the score seems about right. The new JAWS 12 link, a great addition takes me to the ESPN website for more details about aficticeous game! I realize that all Philadelphians are Patriots, but could ESPN really be that clueless? How can they update stats on the wrong team? Don Marang There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. Dean Kamen -- From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:32 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hi Jim, We have moved away from the traditional Config Manager and put these into the Settings Center. Read the description below and experiment with the settings center using the new search option to find these items. I think you'll get the hang of it. Regards, Eric Settings Center JAWS Settings Center is a new feature that allows you to quickly configure and globally apply JAWS settings, or configure and apply settings for a specific application. It consolidates all options into one convenient dialog box. It includes a Search edit box, which provides an extremely fast way to find and edit JAWS functionality. Settings Center continues to use JCF files and is a direct replacement for Configuration Manager. Settings Center consists of six primary areas described below. Press TAB or SHIFT+TAB to move through different parts of the dialog box. * Application combo box: Select an application from the list to modify its settings for use with JAWS. To retrieve the JAWS default settings, press CTRL+SHIFT+D. To retrieve application settings, press SHIFT+TAB to move focus to the Application combo box. Next, select the application from the combo box, and then press TAB to move focus back to the tree view pane. * Search edit box: Press CTRL+E to move focus to the Search box. Type a search word or phrase in the edit box to reduce the number of items that appear in the tree view list. Press DOWN ARROW to move to search results, and then press ENTER to move focus directly to that item in the tree view. * Settings tree view pane: Use the tree view pane to select and change settings for the selected application. To retrieve the JAWS default settings, press CTRL+SHIFT+D. To retrieve application settings, press SHIFT+TAB twice to move focus to the Application combo box. Next, select the application from the combo box, and then press TAB to move focus back to the tree view pane. For a brief description of the item selected in the tree view, press TAB to move focus to the read-only edit box. Use the Say Line or Say All commands to read the help message. To vertically scroll through the tree view, use the UP and DOWN ARROW keys, PAGE UP and PAGE DOWN keys, or first letter navigation. Use the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys to expand or collapse tree view groups. Use the SPACEBAR to move through and change settings for each option. * Configuration display pane: As you move through the tree view, a sighted user can simultaneously track cursor movement using the configuration display pane. Press F6 to switch between the tree view and this pane. This is necessary when typing in an edit or edit spin box. * Help message pane: Displays context-sensitive help for the item currently selected in the tree view. Use the Say Line or Say All commands to read the help message. * Apply, OK, and Cancel: Use Apply to make changes. Use OK to save changes and close Settings Center. Use Cancel to close Settings Center without saving changes. To use Settings Center, do the following: 1. Press INSERT+F2, and select Settings Center. Settings appear for the application that has focus. The cursor is in the Search edit box. 2. If you know the setting that you want to change, type a term for it in the edit box. For example, type the word braille without the quotes for a filtered list of braille settings. Next, press DOWN ARROW to move to the filtered results in the tree view. Note: To load the default JAWS settings, press CTRL+SHIFT+D, and then search for the setting as previously described. To select a different application, press SHIFT+TAB to move to the Application edit box. Use ARROW Keys or first letter navigation to select the application, and then press CTRL+E to search for the setting as previously described. 3. Press SPACEBAR to select check boxes, radio buttons, or other
Re: [JAWS-Users] how is jaws 12 public beta working out for users?
Good Day Eric: I installed the public beta early this afternoon. So far, I've done a quick overview of the program in particularly the new settings center. I'll be testing it in Word 2010 and Adobe PDF reader 9. So far, I'm very pleased and will report that on the beta user form early next week. Thank you. John O'Rourke jorour...@comcast.net Serial number. 454387 -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of jaws-users-list-requ...@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:16 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: JAWS-Users-List Digest, Vol 101, Issue 16 Send JAWS-Users-List mailing list submissions to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/jaws-users-list_jaws-users.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to jaws-users-list-requ...@jaws-users.com You can reach the person managing the list at jaws-users-list-ow...@jaws-users.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of JAWS-Users-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Jaws 9 strange behavior (Holger Fiallo) 2. Re: Jaws 9 strange behavior (John R. Vaughn) 3. Re: Jaws 9 strange behavior (Gerald Levy) 4. Re: Jaws 9 strange behavior (Mike Barbara Arcadia) 5. JAWS 12 (Holger Fiallo) 6. How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? (Eric Damery) 7. Re: Populating problem (TJ McElroy gMail) 8. Re: JAWS 12 public beta now out! (Nicole) 9. Re: How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? (David Ferrin) 10. Re: How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? (Holger Fiallo) 11. Window 7 (RJ) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:32:38 -0500 From: Holger Fiallo holgerfia...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 9 strange behavior Message-ID: da91bd93d80447b8aa4178bce246f...@fiallopc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I use JAWS 12 right now and I did insert f12 and gives me the time with PM including. I always heard the PM in all JAWS versions. -Original Message- From: Michael Amaro Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 5:25 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 9 strange behavior Hello listers, my jaws 9 is acting strange. When I press insert F12 to check the time, it says 3:17 PM. Instead of saying just 3 17 with out saying the :. I am using XP pro Thanks Michael Windows Live ID: mikeam...@earthlink.net Skype ID: mikeameli e-mail: mikeam...@earthlink.net John F. Kennedy And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ Holger Fiallo Kind Regard -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 18:34:52 -0400 From: John R. Vaughn jrvaugh...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 9 strange behavior Message-ID: 7fd1d00452944c98a2c8614b2dad9...@johnrvaughnpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Have you somehow had your punctuation set to most or maybe all? John - Original Message - From: Michael Amaro mikeam...@earthlink.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:25 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 9 strange behavior Hello listers, my jaws 9 is acting strange. When I press insert F12 to check the time, it says 3:17 PM. Instead of saying just 3 17 with out saying the :. I am using XP pro Thanks Michael Windows Live ID: mikeam...@earthlink.net Skype ID: mikeameli e-mail: mikeam...@earthlink.net John F. Kennedy And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:35:28 -0400 From: Gerald Levy bwaylimi...@verizon.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 9 strange behavior Message-ID: 48f2122af2fb4360b252548465035...@glevy Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original There is nothing strange about this. I am also using JAWS 9 with XP Pro, and when I press Insert-F12, the time is always announced with AM or PM. That's the way it's supposed to be. Gerald - Original Message - From: Michael Amaro mikeam...@earthlink.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:25 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 9 strange behavior Hello listers, my jaws 9
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Hello Eric, From what little that I have had time to try there still are a lot of problems with windows live mail When I try to reply more often than not I get an error contact name field not found I then need to refresh and page up even though the reply address has been placed in the to field. The reply to sender no longer gives an error message but places the incorrect address in the to field. For instance I just tested by using jaws key, shift r and it placed the first contact in the to field not your address. In a new message trying to go through the contact list only email addresses are read not the individual's name. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
I like it so far, I still have the focus problem as I've had in prev versions. Troy - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? So far it's fine after about an hour of working with it. No problems to report as of yet. It does seem quite responsive to this point. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up too. - Original Message - From: Eric Damery edam...@freedomscientific.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
I also have the ebay problem. Also with prev versions I haven't gotten to check it on this one yet but in the to field jaws would say instead of the list of emails. Troy - Original Message - From: CrisMunoz54 crismuno...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Overall it seems more stable as far as being an initial beta than other upgrades. No real major issues to speak of so far. I am however noticing some things, such as: 1. For whatever reason, in Google Reader via IE8, Jaws does feel a bit sluggish and unresponsive at times. Silence, slow to respond to commands, randomly being placed on other parts of the page, having to tab or shift tab to get focus back, etc. I don't find this to be the case when in Firefox though. It doesn't stop me from getting around Google Reader all together, but it is affecting my navigation. I don't' have this amount of trouble when using JFW 11 and IE8. 2. Again, in Google Reader, but this time from within Firefox, when clickin on a particular subscription feed or by doing a simple search from within the overall page and navegating down the various entries using the h key for headings, Jaws will read a bunch of garbled link text instead of that particular heading title. I've found that when going in reverse, (shift+h instead of just h) Jaws reads the entry titles perfectly fine. This isn't an issue in IE8 at all. I had reported this glitch in prior releases, but it's still present in version 12. 3. Jaws seems to have a lot of trouble with Firefox webpages that have a lot of links. When encountering a page with hundreds either by visiting a blog posting with hundreds of responces or if I'm searching for an item to buy and want all results shown on one page or again, if I'm in Google Reader and press the navigation button to have all my subscriptions appear (I have over 240 rss feeds for example(, JFW will become quite unresponsive and at times crash on me. Many times I almost have to step away from my machine since Jaws wont' even speak if I do an alt+tab to go to another app. This is especially an issue for me as I help my wife with her eBay store and when going into the seller's page, it takes forever for Jaws to talk. That is if I'm in fact lucky and JFW doesn't crash all together. I don't have this problem in IE8. I really started noticing this issue with JFW 11 and still with version 12. 4. I had reported a problem when upgrading from JFW 10 to 11 with all the information in my e-mails through Outlook 2003 (from, subject, date etc) being spoken twice when arrowing up and down the list view. I was able to reproduce this problem with the escalations department (Inquiry Number: 197907), but never got a solution to it. The same problem is present in version 12. I like the way how the configuration manager has been cleaned up and Firefox feels generally crisper than in versions past. Google Voice seems to be a lot cleaner through Mozilla than with IE. Not too easy if at all when trying to make calls through the gmail page itself though. I I appreciate the request for feedback and hope my comments have helped in some way. Thanks, Cris -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Eric Damery Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:47 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Back to the ResearchIt lookup of NFL scores. It seems everybody has preseason schedules screwed up. I thought the Eagles were playing the New York Giants, because that was what was in the TV listings. ESPN had several of the games wrong until at least half time. Now they correctly show the Eagles playing the New York Jets and even have the score right. Sorry, this is definitely not a FS issue! Now I need to look around in the new Settings Center because automatic Forms Mode in Windows Live Mail is just driving me crazy! Don Marang There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. Dean Kamen -- From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:07 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? I also have the ebay problem. Also with prev versions I haven't gotten to check it on this one yet but in the to field jaws would say instead of the list of emails. Troy - Original Message - From: CrisMunoz54 crismuno...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Overall it seems more stable as far as being an initial beta than other upgrades. No real major issues to speak of so far. I am however noticing some things, such as: 1. For whatever reason, in Google Reader via IE8, Jaws does feel a bit sluggish and unresponsive at times. Silence, slow to respond to commands, randomly being placed on other parts of the page, having to tab or shift tab to get focus back, etc. I don't find this to be the case when in Firefox though. It doesn't stop me from getting around Google Reader all together, but it is affecting my navigation. I don't' have this amount of trouble when using JFW 11 and IE8. 2. Again, in Google Reader, but this time from within Firefox, when clickin on a particular subscription feed or by doing a simple search from within the overall page and navegating down the various entries using the h key for headings, Jaws will read a bunch of garbled link text instead of that particular heading title. I've found that when going in reverse, (shift+h instead of just h) Jaws reads the entry titles perfectly fine. This isn't an issue in IE8 at all. I had reported this glitch in prior releases, but it's still present in version 12. 3. Jaws seems to have a lot of trouble with Firefox webpages that have a lot of links. When encountering a page with hundreds either by visiting a blog posting with hundreds of responces or if I'm searching for an item to buy and want all results shown on one page or again, if I'm in Google Reader and press the navigation button to have all my subscriptions appear (I have over 240 rss feeds for example(, JFW will become quite unresponsive and at times crash on me. Many times I almost have to step away from my machine since Jaws wont' even speak if I do an alt+tab to go to another app. This is especially an issue for me as I help my wife with her eBay store and when going into the seller's page, it takes forever for Jaws to talk. That is if I'm in fact lucky and JFW doesn't crash all together. I don't have this problem in IE8. I really started noticing this issue with JFW 11 and still with version 12. 4. I had reported a problem when upgrading from JFW 10 to 11 with all the information in my e-mails through Outlook 2003 (from, subject, date etc) being spoken twice when arrowing up and down the list view. I was able to reproduce this problem with the escalations department (Inquiry Number: 197907), but never got a solution to it. The same problem is present in version 12. I like the way how the configuration manager has been cleaned up and Firefox feels generally crisper than in versions past. Google Voice seems to be a lot cleaner through Mozilla than with IE. Not too easy if at all when trying to make calls through the gmail page itself though. I I appreciate the request for feedback and hope my comments have helped in some way. Thanks, Cris -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Eric Damery Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:47 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Hello List, I'm curious to hear feedback on JAWS 12 so far from those of you who have installed it. Regards, Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com
Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users?
Hi, Listers, I guess I am a little hisatent on installing JAWS 12. Don't get me wrong I like all the new features of JAWS 12. But I have some concerns! Wen I want to lets say uninstal JAWS 11 How can I transfer the scripts from skype? Also I am running klango and it has some JAWS scripts. How can I transfer the scripts from one version of JAWS to the other? Please write back. Jose Lomeli Email: joselomel...@lavabit.com Website: http://all4webs.com/q/2/jlomeli9393 - Original Message - From: Don Marang donald.mar...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Date sent: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:30:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Back to the ResearchIt lookup of NFL scores. It seems everybody has preseason schedules screwed up. I thought the Eagles were playing the New York Giants, because that was what was in the TV listings. ESPN had several of the games wrong until at least half time. Now they correctly show the Eagles playing the New York Jets and even have the score right. Sorry, this is definitely not a FS issue! Now I need to look around in the new Settings Center because automatic Forms Mode in Windows Live Mail is just driving me crazy! Don Marang There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. Dean Kamen -- From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:07 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? I also have the ebay problem. Also with prev versions I haven't gotten to check it on this one yet but in the to field jaws would say instead of the list of emails. Troy - Original Message - From: CrisMunoz54 crismuno...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How is JAWS 12 Public Beta working out for users? Overall it seems more stable as far as being an initial beta than other upgrades. No real major issues to speak of so far. I am however noticing some things, such as: 1. For whatever reason, in Google Reader via IE8, Jaws does feel a bit sluggish and unresponsive at times. Silence, slow to respond to commands, randomly being placed on other parts of the page, having to tab or shift tab to get focus back, etc. I don't find this to be the case when in Firefox though. It doesn't stop me from getting around Google Reader all together, but it is affecting my navigation. I don't' have this amount of trouble when using JFW 11 and IE8. 2. Again, in Google Reader, but this time from within Firefox, when clickin on a particular subscription feed or by doing a simple search from within the overall page and navegating down the various entries using the h key for headings, Jaws will read a bunch of garbled link text instead of that particular heading title. I've found that when going in reverse, (shift+h instead of just h) Jaws reads the entry titles perfectly fine. This isn't an issue in IE8 at all. I had reported this glitch in prior releases, but it's still present in version 12. 3. Jaws seems to have a lot of trouble with Firefox webpages that have a lot of links. When encountering a page with hundreds either by visiting a blog posting with hundreds of responces or if I'm searching for an item to buy and want all results shown on one page or again, if I'm in Google Reader and press the navigation button to have all my subscriptions appear (I have over 240 rss feeds for example(, JFW will become quite unresponsive and at times crash on me. Many times I almost have to step away from my machine since Jaws wont' even speak if I do an alt+tab to go to another app. This is especially an issue for me as I help my wife with her eBay store and when going into the seller's page, it takes forever for Jaws to talk. That is if I'm in fact lucky and JFW doesn't crash all together. I don't have this problem in IE8. I really started noticing this issue with JFW 11 and still with version 12. 4. I had reported a problem when upgrading from JFW 10 to 11 with all the information in my e-mails through Outlook 2003 (from, subject, date etc) being spoken twice when arrowing up and down the list view. I was able to reproduce this problem with the escalations department (Inquiry Number: 197907), but never got a solution to it. The same problem is present in version 12. I like the way how the configuration manager has been cleaned up and Firefox feels generally crisper than in versions past. Google Voice seems to be a lot cleaner through Mozilla than with IE. Not too easy if at all when trying to make calls through the gmail page itself
