[jQuery] Re: need help with simple jQuery problem

[Rory Bernstein]

Thank you so much, Adriana. With the information you've given me, I
have fixed the problem. I am so grateful.

Best,
Rory

[jQuery] Re: New Forums

[MorningZ]

On Jan 22, 4:13 pm, John Arrowwood  wrote:
> Silly thought:
>
> What if the forums were 'published' to the mailing list, and the mailing
> list were made read-only?  That is, every time a post is published on the
> forum, it is automatically sent to the mailing list.  Then, in the footer of
> the message is a link to reply to the post, which when clicked takes you to
> the forum in such a way that the user can immediately reply to that post.

I hate to point out the obvious, but isn't this is what an RSS feed
accomplishes?...  want an email instead of an RSS reader?

http://www.feedblitz.com/f/f.fbz?RSSHome

Guys, all you need to do is read this post

http://jquery14.com/day-07

Reading that post above, it's dead obvious that the change is made,
it's done... there isn't one ounce of indication in that post
whatsoever that the mailing list even has the slightest of chances of
being the primary source of official jQuery help, and judging by the
huge text banner at the top of this list, won't even be a minor source
of official help.

Also taking into account that moving to a forum was announced as the
plan at September's jQuery Conference, meaning it was -thought about-
long before that

I personally like the mailing list, and don't enjoy the Zoho forum in
it's current state (forgets login info despite asking to remember and
fixed width is so 2000), ... i've been active here for going on two
years, and it's been a great source of getting help as well as doing
my best to provide help...  but its time to see that the Forum
decision is made for better or worse   I'll still spend some
time and post on both as long as this mailing list has traffic (and
hasn't been over ridden with spam), as it's only one quick bookmark
away but we're in the minority, and we had no say.

I'm not trying to be harsh or rude or anything the like, just trying
to point out the obvious  :-(

No matter where help is to be had... here, the forums, stackoverflow,
the IRC channel, this is still a fantastic library and it makes web
programmer's lives easier day in and day out.  who cares what is
"official" and what isn't.  no matter what the solution, there's
no way on God's green earth that it is going to satisfy everyone.
they've done what is best for them in the the interest of moving
forward, and Google Groups does have it's issues, Zoho was the
solution made.

/off soapbox

have a good/safe weekend

- Steve

Re: [jQuery] Re: New Forums

[Shawn]

And if you were using a screen reader, and had need to post a question 
to the mailing list?  Then you'd still need to deal with the web 
page/forums.


Your solution is a good step in the right direction, but does not solve 
the problems.


I've looked into integrating a forum and mailing list in the past. 
Unless something has changed in the past couple of years, there is no 
good solution.  What is needed is a way to keep a mailing list and forum 
in sync.  Messages sent to the mailing list are automagically posted in 
the forums, with the conversation threads being maintained.  Messages 
posted to the forums are automagically posted to the mailing list.


The closest I've ever seen for this is the forums where you can elect to 
receive an email if a watched topic is posted to.  Or if someone replies 
to you or a topic that you had previously replied to.  While this is 
somewhat workable, it still looses all the benefits of an email list - 
you still have to go to the web page to view/respond to messages.  And 
visiting the web page is not part of the "normal" routine for a number 
of people.


Karl said it best - we can't please everyone.  Unless someone were to 
sit down and write a tool to integrate/synch a forum (Zoho in particular 
in this case) and the mailing list (Google Groups in this case).  I 
don't forsee that happening anytime soon.


My thoughts.

Shawn

John Arrowwood wrote:

Silly thought:

What if the forums were 'published' to the mailing list, and the mailing 
list were made read-only?  That is, every time a post is published on 
the forum, it is automatically sent to the mailing list.  Then, in the 
footer of the message is a link to reply to the post, which when clicked 
takes you to the forum in such a way that the user can immediately reply 
to that post. 

The mailing list could be set up so that nobody except the forum 'bot' 
could post to it, which would make spam go away.  People that have 
accessibility issues or just prefer to get their information via their 
email client could continue to read things that way.  And you would have 
all of the benefits of the forum. 

Best of both worlds.  Make everybody happy.  I know it would make me 
happier.


On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Octavian Rasnita > wrote:


From: "MorningZ" mailto:morni...@gmail.com>>
Besides, as Richard pointed out, the mailing list right here will
still exist, it just won't be moderated/managed by the people it was
before..

That would be good, because at least for a period there would still
be an accessible source of information for JQuery.

Octavian




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John (at) Arrowwood Photography (dot) com
John (at) Hanlons Razor (dot) com
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http://arrowwood.blogspot.com/

Re: [jQuery] This code is too complex for a noob, can someone break this down.

[Nathan Klatt]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Bugman1400
 wrote:
> javascript:void(0); " } ,function(data){ $("#approve ?>").html(data); });' ?>" });'>Approve
>
> The do.php is a query that updates a database and sets an Approve column to
> '1'.

More context plz, that fragment makes no sense.

[jQuery] This code is too complex for a noob, can someone break this down.

[Bugman1400]

I'm fairly good at VB and know how to call a function and what a GET
statement is, but I'm having trouble with the following. Can someone break
it down?

javascript:void(0); " } ,function(data){ $("#approve").html(data); });' ?>" });'>Approve 

The do.php is a query that updates a database and sets an Approve column to
'1'.


Mucho thanks for any help!
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Re: [jQuery] jQuery and div/iframe/pane content replace

[John Arrowwood]

You could probably come up with a dozen ways of doing it.  You could have
different divs all loaded but hidden, then hide and show them as needed,
which would be a very different animation than you have now.  Or you could
use ajax to load the different DIV contents (which might be nice for site
organization) and then either load them into the hidden divs or just store
them in variables for swapping in and out.

If you need fancy animations, you are going to want to do something like
hide (or fade out) the old div, and then have some custom animation that
causes the new div to appear in the way you want it to appear.

If you are aiming for search engine optimization, you probably don't want to
rely on AJAX to load the content.  You probably want to just have three (or
more) divs that start hidden.  Each has a unique ID.  You could even store a
reference to a unique 'animateShow' function attached to each div.

One
Two
Three
...
One's content
Two's content
Three's content

Assuming each div needs a custom 'show' animation, you could do this:

$('#one').data('animateShow',showOne);
$('#two').data('animateShow',showTwo);
$('#three').data('animateShow',showThree);

Then to hook it all up:

var activeContent = 'one';
$('a.leftMenu').click(function(ev){
  var targetId = $(ev.target).attr('target');
  if ( targetId != activeContent ) {
var targetDiv = $('#'+targetId)[0];
if ( targetDiv != null ) {
  $('#' + activeContent ).fadeOut('fast');
  var animation = $(targetDiv).data('animateShow');
  if ( animation ) animation( targetDiv )
  else $(targetDiv).fadeIn('fast');
  activeContent = targetId;
}
  }
  return false;
});

Hope that gets you down the road towards where you want to be.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Eugene Hourany  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm using jQuery to power all the nice animation effects and such. But I'm
> also using it to make my DOM life easier too.
>
> With that, here's what I want to do:
>
> When you click on a link (in this case, an ), the  to its right is
> replaced with new content. I tried to do this earlier with an  but I
> think it's overkill for what I want.
>
> I'm working on this page to get a "non-flash" version running because of
> SEO compliance: http://www.theportalgrp.com. So, for example, clicking on
> "services" will bring up the services div on the right. Would using jQuery
> objects that contain the s be better, and then do a content replace?
>
> And I don't know if .toggle() is better, or .click() or which function to
> do what I want.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eugene
>



-- 
John Arrowwood
John (at) Irie (dash) Inc (dot) com
John (at) Arrowwood Photography (dot) com
John (at) Hanlons Razor (dot) com
--
http://www.irie-inc.com/
http://arrowwood.blogspot.com/

[jQuery] jQuery and div/iframe/pane content replace

[Eugene Hourany]

Hi everyone,

I'm using jQuery to power all the nice animation effects and such. But I'm
also using it to make my DOM life easier too.

With that, here's what I want to do:

When you click on a link (in this case, an ), the  to its right is
replaced with new content. I tried to do this earlier with an  but I
think it's overkill for what I want.

I'm working on this page to get a "non-flash" version running because of SEO
compliance: http://www.theportalgrp.com. So, for example, clicking on
"services" will bring up the services div on the right. Would using jQuery
objects that contain the s be better, and then do a content replace?

And I don't know if .toggle() is better, or .click() or which function to do
what I want.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Eugene

Re: [jQuery] Re: New Forums

[Cesar Sanz]

Do not close the email list
Do not close the email list
Do not close the email list
Do not close the email list
Do not close the email list
- Original Message - 
From: "Nathan Klatt" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [jQuery] Re: New Forums


On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM, John Arrowwood  
wrote:



What if the forums were 'published' to the mailing list, and the mailing
...
The mailing list could be set up so that nobody except the forum 'bot' 
could
post to it, which would make spam go away.  People that have 
accessibility
issues or just prefer to get their information via their email client 
could
continue to read things that way.  And you would have all of the benefits 
of

the forum.


Oo! Man with a plan. 

Re: [jQuery] Re: New Forums

[Nathan Klatt]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM, John Arrowwood  wrote:

> What if the forums were 'published' to the mailing list, and the mailing
> ...
> The mailing list could be set up so that nobody except the forum 'bot' could
> post to it, which would make spam go away.  People that have accessibility
> issues or just prefer to get their information via their email client could
> continue to read things that way.  And you would have all of the benefits of
> the forum.

Oo! Man with a plan.

Re: [jQuery] Re: New Forums

[John Arrowwood]

Silly thought:

What if the forums were 'published' to the mailing list, and the mailing
list were made read-only?  That is, every time a post is published on the
forum, it is automatically sent to the mailing list.  Then, in the footer of
the message is a link to reply to the post, which when clicked takes you to
the forum in such a way that the user can immediately reply to that post.

The mailing list could be set up so that nobody except the forum 'bot' could
post to it, which would make spam go away.  People that have accessibility
issues or just prefer to get their information via their email client could
continue to read things that way.  And you would have all of the benefits of
the forum.

Best of both worlds.  Make everybody happy.  I know it would make me
happier.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:

> From: "MorningZ" 
> Besides, as Richard pointed out, the mailing list right here will
> still exist, it just won't be moderated/managed by the people it was
> before..
>
> That would be good, because at least for a period there would still be an
> accessible source of information for JQuery.
>
> Octavian
>
>


-- 
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John (at) Irie (dash) Inc (dot) com
John (at) Arrowwood Photography (dot) com
John (at) Hanlons Razor (dot) com
--
http://www.irie-inc.com/
http://arrowwood.blogspot.com/

Re: [jQuery] Re: New Forums

[Octavian Rasnita]

From: "MorningZ" 
Besides, as Richard pointed out, the mailing list right here will
still exist, it just won't be moderated/managed by the people it was
before..

That would be good, because at least for a period there would still be an 
accessible source of information for JQuery.


Octavian

Re: [jQuery] New Forums

[Octavian Rasnita]

From: "Karl Swedberg" 

On Jan 22, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:


With the web-based forum, while on the thread you want to email or
link to
1. Click 'Permalink'


I can't click because I can't use a mouse. I need to press probably
tens of tab keys until I find that link, and if I type too fast I
might skip it and need to tab over the same links for more times.
And after I press enter on that link I would need to jump over more
other page parts until I reach to the real body of the message.


While most of the other complaints in this thread seem to be based on
personal preference, this one is a serious issue. We have raised the
issue of keyboard accessibility with the Zoho team, and they're
working to ameliorate it.


Not only some, but all I said are based on personal preferences, because if 
I wouldn't prefer that way, I wouldn't tell you about it. :-)
I didn't even tested too much the new forum, because no matter how 
accessible would be a web page, it would be always less accessible and 
usable than a good desktop app, so the usability is the one that matters, 
not only accessibility.


As an example, for moving to the next unread message in Outlook Express, I 
just need to press a single hotkey (Ctrl+U). If I want to delete that 
message (or thread, because it can cover a whole discussion), I just need to 
press a single Del key.
If the same things can be done at least as easy as this, I would instantly 
start to like the forums.



Oh yes it is, because a web page doesn't offer the same
accessibility features for a screen reader as a desktop app does.
And unfortunately most RSS readers also use a web format, so they
are not better accessible at all.


There are plenty of desktop RSS readers available for PC and Mac.


I know, but most of them use an internal window that uses HTML, because most 
RSS content includes HTML code, so it is the same thing, or even worse, 
because at least Internet Explorer and Firefox have some scripts for the 
screen reader that make them more accessible, but those RSS reader don't 
have such a thing.
I haven't tested all RSS readers ever made, but not all the desktop apps are 
accessible for screen readers. For example the TK/GTK interfaces are not 
accessible at all (under Windows), The Java SWING-based interfaces are very 
hard accessible and slow responsive with JAWS (the screen reader I use), 
the QT interfaces are also not accessible at all... even the DotNet (Windows 
Forms) have accessibility issues.


If it would be easier to use a forum, I would gladly start using one.

Octavian

Re: [jQuery] New Forums

[Karl Swedberg]

On Jan 22, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:

With the web-based forum, while on the thread you want to email or  
link to

1. Click 'Permalink'


I can't click because I can't use a mouse. I need to press probably  
tens of tab keys until I find that link, and if I type too fast I  
might skip it and need to tab over the same links for more times.
And after I press enter on that link I would need to jump over more  
other page parts until I reach to the real body of the message.


While most of the other complaints in this thread seem to be based on  
personal preference, this one is a serious issue. We have raised the  
issue of keyboard accessibility with the Zoho team, and they're  
working to ameliorate it.


Oh yes it is, because a web page doesn't offer the same  
accessibility features for a screen reader as a desktop app does.
And unfortunately most RSS readers also use a web format, so they  
are not better accessible at all.


There are plenty of desktop RSS readers available for PC and Mac.

--Karl

Re: [jQuery] New Forums

[Octavian Rasnita]

From: "Richard D. Worth" 
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Octavian Rasnita 
wrote:

For example, if a user uses a good mail client, he or she could configure
it so all the messages from the list to go to a specific folder, the
messages that contain some words in the subjects or in the body to go to
another special folder as they arrive, the messages are automaticly 
grouped
by conversation, and they can easier be all saved locally or all deleted 
(or

individually).



And if a user has a good rss reader they can do the same with a forum. 
Also,


There are no good RSS readers. (that work with a screen reader as well as a 
mail client).



using rss2email services, they could have the best of both worlds.


I don't know any RSS2email service, but I don't think it offers the same 
features like a mailing list, because the user that reads messages can't 
reply to a message they receive.


I don't know that they will be disabled, but if not they will be 
completely
unmoderated. This means way more spam than before. In addition, many 
active

contributors, including jQuery team members, have moved over to the forum,
so there will be a lot less traffic on the mailing lists. People may still
find help and answers, but it won't be the official forum. Just as before
when the mailing list was the official forum, people found answers
elsewhere.


That's OK. Much better than no mailing list at all.


*Tags*
I tag and filter emails, and it's been really nice. But it's always 
bothered
me that all the tagging and filtering I do has to be duplicated by 
everyone

else consuming the same content. Using tags on the website forum, all this
metadata can be shared.


Most mailing list users just read the messages and post a question when they 
want an answer for a specific question. For that type of users the tags are 
useless.



*Types*
On the forum, there are 5 type of threads: Discussions, Questions, Ideas,
Problems, and Announcements. These can be selected by the OP and corrected
be a moderator, and searched and filtered on. Another piece of shared
metadata.


I find much easier to use a "Find" in Outlook Express in the saved messages 
or even in "Deleted items" where I have tens of thousand messages, and the 
results are much more accessible, presented in a standard list that can be 
navigated easier than a web page.



*Categories*
Before we had 5 or 6 mailing lists for different sub-topics. Many times a
day as a moderator, I would have to kindly ask someone to move a 
discussion
to the correct forum, to keep noise down, to keep the list on-topic, and 
to

ensure people saw the question and the answer in the right place, whether
via email or web archive. This was not only a real pain, but it's not that
much fun for anyone involved, especially new users that may not have a 
clue

that there's more than one list, or which list to post to: jquery-en,
jquery-dev, jquery-ui, jquery-ui-dev, jquery-a11y, etc. On the new website
forum, not only is it easier to see which top-level forum topics are
available for posting, but if something is posted in the wrong forum, a
moderator can simply select 'Move this topic' and then select the correct
sub-forum. That immediately reflects in any sorting, filtering, or
categorization anyone does. Another piece of shared metadata.


I understand you, but don't present this as an advantage, because it is an 
advantage for just a few people, the most helpful people from the list, but 
with a zero importance for the tens of thousand list members.



*Status*
In addition to being able to tag, type, and categorize each thread, a
moderator and/or the OP can set the status of a thread. The OP can select 
an

answer as the best, meaning future visitors can read 2 messages instead of
20. Moderators can set the status as 'more info needed', closed, answered,
open, in-progress, etc. All these statuses can be used in sorting and
filtering. Another piece of shared metadata.


Like in Wikipedia's case, I never search with Wikipedia's search engine, but 
I use Google. If I want to find something regarding JQuery, I will also use 
Google, and not just a certain forum. So this feature has a very low 
importance. If the web would be as accessible as a desktop app, I would 
probably search on a single forum, but it isn't.



Noticing a trend?

*Moderation edit controls*
Posts can be edited. This isn't possible with email, since the message was
already sent. And the web archive stores only the original message. This
needs to be used judiciously, but can be great for fixing typographical
errors, adding some important keywords to a thread topic, fixing some
formatting, etc.


This is not important. I prefer to find something as fast as possible, even 
if it contain typographical errors
But I don't find it important probably because I am not a moderator, just 
like the case of almost all the list members.



*Permalinks*
Have you ever tried to email someone a google groups mailing list thread?


Nope, I never 

[jQuery] Re: New Forums

[MorningZ]

To add to Richard's list

* Ability to post code without having Google Groups code f_ck it up*

I'm not sure why people are "voting" and all that, it's done, it's
decided, it's time to get with the program

Besides, as Richard pointed out, the mailing list right here will
still exist, it just won't be moderated/managed by the people it was
before..

and Karl put it best:  they can't please everyone.   there's a LOT
of topics from over the past two years on this very mailing list
crying out for a forum instead of the mailing list.

Damned if you do damned if you don't


On Jan 22, 11:31 am, "Richard D. Worth"  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>
>
>
> > From: "Karl Swedberg" 
>
> >> On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:11 PM, brian wrote:
>
> >>  FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to
> >>> John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers.
>
> >> No, that's not it. Okay, maybe it was one of the last straws, but
> >> we've been talking about moving to a forum for a couple years now. If
> >> you want to know what factors were involved in the decision, please read
> >>http://jquery14.com/day-07/new-jquery-forum/
>
> > I read that:
>
> > "Additionally, we wanted something that lowered the barrier to asking a
> > question - something that anyone would be able to use"
>
> > Well, for some categories of users, the movement to a forum has done
> > exactly the reverse, because a forum is much less accessible than a mailing
> > list for screen reader users for example, but for other categories of users
> > also.
>
> > For example, if a user uses a good mail client, he or she could configure
> > it so all the messages from the list to go to a specific folder, the
> > messages that contain some words in the subjects or in the body to go to
> > another special folder as they arrive, the messages are automaticly grouped
> > by conversation, and they can easier be all saved locally or all deleted (or
> > individually).
>
> And if a user has a good rss reader they can do the same with a forum. Also,
> using rss2email services, they could have the best of both worlds.
>
>
>
> > The best solution from the perspective of the users would be to have a
> > mailing list system that can also offer and present the messages on the web,
> > but this would involve more work for JQuery developers, and it seems that
> > this idea is the best, but there is nobody willing to help doing and
> > administering it.
>
> > So the JQuery developers have chosen to use a forum which is administered
> > by somebody else. That's very OK, but I think at least the JQuery mailing
> > lists should not be disabled, while there still are users that prefer using
> > them.
>
> I don't know that they will be disabled, but if not they will be completely
> unmoderated. This means way more spam than before. In addition, many active
> contributors, including jQuery team members, have moved over to the forum,
> so there will be a lot less traffic on the mailing lists. People may still
> find help and answers, but it won't be the official forum. Just as before
> when the mailing list was the official forum, people found answers
> elsewhere.
>
>
>
> >  To be honest, I've never been a fan of forums, either. But after
> >> spending some time in the jQuery forum, I'm starting to appreciate its
> >> advantages over a plain mailing list.
>
> > Can you please tell us which are those advantages?
> > (in general, not only regarding JQuery forum.)
>
> *Tags*
> I tag and filter emails, and it's been really nice. But it's always bothered
> me that all the tagging and filtering I do has to be duplicated by everyone
> else consuming the same content. Using tags on the website forum, all this
> metadata can be shared.
>
> *Types*
> On the forum, there are 5 type of threads: Discussions, Questions, Ideas,
> Problems, and Announcements. These can be selected by the OP and corrected
> be a moderator, and searched and filtered on. Another piece of shared
> metadata.
>
> *Categories*
> Before we had 5 or 6 mailing lists for different sub-topics. Many times a
> day as a moderator, I would have to kindly ask someone to move a discussion
> to the correct forum, to keep noise down, to keep the list on-topic, and to
> ensure people saw the question and the answer in the right place, whether
> via email or web archive. This was not only a real pain, but it's not that
> much fun for anyone involved, especially new users that may not have a clue
> that there's more than one list, or which list to post to: jquery-en,
> jquery-dev, jquery-ui, jquery-ui-dev, jquery-a11y, etc. On the new website
> forum, not only is it easier to see which top-level forum topics are
> available for posting, but if something is posted in the wrong forum, a
> moderator can simply select 'Move this topic' and then select the correct
> sub-forum. That immediately reflects in any sorting, filtering, or
> categorization anyone does. Another piece of shared me

Re: [jQuery] jquery 1.4 and jqueryui tabs with ajax load

[Richard D. Worth]

See
http://forum.jquery.com/topic/jquery-1-4-upgrade-issues#1473700636757

- Richard

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:59 AM, Joris D'Huys  wrote:

> I've upgraded to jquery 1.4 and my tabs with ajax load no longer
> work.
> uncaught exception: jQuery UI Tabs: Mismatching fragment identifier.
> When I use the previous jquery version, everything works fine.
>
> Any idea on how to solve this?
>
> Thanks
>

Re: [jQuery] need help with simple jQuery problem

[Adriana P]

Hi Rory, 

I will try to give you a detailed explanation. 

The file expand.js contains two scripts: the expandAll() plug-in and the
small toggler() plug-in.

1.) expandAll()
- generates the  switch 'Expand All/Collapse All' (or, in your case, 'go
ahead.../ ...go back');
- when the 'switch' is clicked, the plug-in toggles the visibility of the
matched elements;
- when the 'switch' is clicked, the strings  'Expand All' / 'Collapse All'
(or 'go ahead... ' / ' ...go back') are swapped;
- if the HTML code consists of pairs of triggers and collapsible sections,
the plug-in toggles the class of the trigger elements. Your code does not
contain such pairs. You have only the generated 'switch', and one
collapsible section.

2.) toggler()
- this script is needed if the HTML code consists of pairs of triggers and
collapsible sections, e.g.,


  Title 1
  ...
  Title 2
  ...


As I said above, your page does not contain such a structure.

So, you need only the expandAll() plug-in.

In your HTML code, you call the plug-ins expandAll() and toggler() with the
following chunk of code:

$(function() {
$("#outer").expandAll({trigger: "span.expand", ref: "div.demo"});
$("#outer  div.demo span.expand").toggler({method: "toggle", speed :
1});
});

All you need is expandAll(). 
When you call the plug-in, you'll want to change some of the default options
because you want a 'slide' effect with duration 'slow', i.e., 600
milliseconds.
Replace the above code with this:

$(function() {
  $("#outer").expandAll({
ref: "div.demo", 
showMethod: "slideDown", 
hideMethod: "slideUp", 
speed: 600
  });
});

That's all.

Please, let me know if this explanation is clear enough.

Regards,

Adriana


Rory Bernstein wrote:
> 
> Hi Adriana,
> 
> Adriana, I am honored that you wrote in to help me; it is, or course,
> your script I am trying to work with.
> 
> I do not understand what you are asking me to do; can you please give
> more info/context? Are you saying that I am missing the lines of code
> you put in your response? If so, where do I put the code?
> 
> I am truly a novice, as you see.
> 
> Thank you so much,
> Rory
> 
> On Jan 20, 9:36 am, Adriana P  wrote:
>> Hi Rory,
>>
>> You need only the expandAll() plug-in:
>>
>> $(function() {
>>     $("#outer").expandAll({trigger: "span.expand", ref: "div.demo",
>> showMethod: "slideDown", hideMethod: "slideUp", speed: 600});
>>
>> });
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Adriana
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory Bernstein wrote:
>>
>> > Hello,
>>
>> > I am a total jQuery novice, and I tried to use jQuery for a project
>> > but I'm having trouble.
>>
>> >http://www.rorybernstein.com/stage/index2.html
>>
>> > When you click the blue "go ahead" link, it expands the hidden div,
>> > revealing content. I want the effect to be a "slide" effect, as on
>> > this sample page:
>> >http://adipalaz.awardspace.com/experiments/jquery/expand.html
>> > From these various examples, I want the "slideToggle effect -
>> > slideToggle ("slow"), as shown in section 2 of the above link.
>>
>> > I cannot figure out what is wrong; my toggle link does work (it
>> > expands the hidden div), but I do not know how to get it to "slide" at
>> > the speed shown in the sample.
>>
>> > Any help would be appreciated.
>> > Thanks,
>> > Rory
>>
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[jQuery] Re: jquery 1.4 and jqueryui tabs with ajax load

[alaa-eddine]

Same here !
seems to be a bug or a breaking change in JQuery 1.4
When I switch back to JQuery 1.3.x it works again.



On 20 jan, 03:23, MrEcho  wrote:
> Yes im having the very same issue.
> No idea how to fix it.
>
> On Jan 18, 2:59 am, "Joris D'Huys"  wrote:
>
> > I've upgraded to jquery 1.4 and my tabs with ajax load no longer
> > work.
> > uncaught exception: jQuery UI Tabs: Mismatching fragment identifier.
> > When I use the previous jquery version, everything works fine.
>
> > Any idea on how to solve this?
>
> > Thanks
>
>

Re: [jQuery] New Forums

[Cesar Sanz]

Want mailing list back ;(
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard D. Worth 
  To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [jQuery] New Forums




  On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Octavian Rasnita  wrote:

From: "Karl Swedberg" 



  On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:11 PM, brian wrote:


FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to
John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers.


  No, that's not it. Okay, maybe it was one of the last straws, but
  we've been talking about moving to a forum for a couple years now. If
  you want to know what factors were involved in the decision, please read
  http://jquery14.com/day-07/new-jquery-forum/



I read that:

"Additionally, we wanted something that lowered the barrier to asking a 
question - something that anyone would be able to use"

Well, for some categories of users, the movement to a forum has done 
exactly the reverse, because a forum is much less accessible than a mailing 
list for screen reader users for example, but for other categories of users 
also.

For example, if a user uses a good mail client, he or she could configure 
it so all the messages from the list to go to a specific folder, the messages 
that contain some words in the subjects or in the body to go to another special 
folder as they arrive, the messages are automaticly grouped by conversation, 
and they can easier be all saved locally or all deleted (or individually).


  And if a user has a good rss reader they can do the same with a forum. Also, 
using rss2email services, they could have the best of both worlds.
   

The best solution from the perspective of the users would be to have a 
mailing list system that can also offer and present the messages on the web, 
but this would involve more work for JQuery developers, and it seems that this 
idea is the best, but there is nobody willing to help doing and administering 
it.

So the JQuery developers have chosen to use a forum which is administered 
by somebody else. That's very OK, but I think at least the JQuery mailing lists 
should not be disabled, while there still are users that prefer using them.

  I don't know that they will be disabled, but if not they will be completely 
unmoderated. This means way more spam than before. In addition, many active 
contributors, including jQuery team members, have moved over to the forum, so 
there will be a lot less traffic on the mailing lists. People may still find 
help and answers, but it won't be the official forum. Just as before when the 
mailing list was the official forum, people found answers elsewhere.
   



  To be honest, I've never been a fan of forums, either. But after
  spending some time in the jQuery forum, I'm starting to appreciate its
  advantages over a plain mailing list.



Can you please tell us which are those advantages?
(in general, not only regarding JQuery forum.)


  Tags
  I tag and filter emails, and it's been really nice. But it's always bothered 
me that all the tagging and filtering I do has to be duplicated by everyone 
else consuming the same content. Using tags on the website forum, all this 
metadata can be shared.

  Types
  On the forum, there are 5 type of threads: Discussions, Questions, Ideas, 
Problems, and Announcements. These can be selected by the OP and corrected be a 
moderator, and searched and filtered on. Another piece of shared metadata.

  Categories
  Before we had 5 or 6 mailing lists for different sub-topics. Many times a day 
as a moderator, I would have to kindly ask someone to move a discussion to the 
correct forum, to keep noise down, to keep the list on-topic, and to ensure 
people saw the question and the answer in the right place, whether via email or 
web archive. This was not only a real pain, but it's not that much fun for 
anyone involved, especially new users that may not have a clue that there's 
more than one list, or which list to post to: jquery-en, jquery-dev, jquery-ui, 
jquery-ui-dev, jquery-a11y, etc. On the new website forum, not only is it 
easier to see which top-level forum topics are available for posting, but if 
something is posted in the wrong forum, a moderator can simply select 'Move 
this topic' and then select the correct sub-forum. That immediately reflects in 
any sorting, filtering, or categorization anyone does. Another piece of shared 
metadata.

  Status
  In addition to being able to tag, type, and categorize each thread, a 
moderator and/or the OP can set the status of a thread. The OP can select an 
answer as the best, meaning future visitors can read 2 messages instead of 20. 
Moderators can set the status as 'more info needed', closed, answered, open, 
in-progress, etc. All these statuses can be used in sorting and filtering. 
Another piece of shared metadata.

  Noticing a trend?

  Moderation edit controls
  Posts can be edited. This isn't

Re: [jQuery] New Forums

[Richard D. Worth]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:

> From: "Karl Swedberg" 
>
>
>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:11 PM, brian wrote:
>>
>>  FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to
>>> John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers.
>>>
>>
>> No, that's not it. Okay, maybe it was one of the last straws, but
>> we've been talking about moving to a forum for a couple years now. If
>> you want to know what factors were involved in the decision, please read
>> http://jquery14.com/day-07/new-jquery-forum/
>>
>
> I read that:
>
> "Additionally, we wanted something that lowered the barrier to asking a
> question - something that anyone would be able to use"
>
> Well, for some categories of users, the movement to a forum has done
> exactly the reverse, because a forum is much less accessible than a mailing
> list for screen reader users for example, but for other categories of users
> also.
>
> For example, if a user uses a good mail client, he or she could configure
> it so all the messages from the list to go to a specific folder, the
> messages that contain some words in the subjects or in the body to go to
> another special folder as they arrive, the messages are automaticly grouped
> by conversation, and they can easier be all saved locally or all deleted (or
> individually).
>

And if a user has a good rss reader they can do the same with a forum. Also,
using rss2email services, they could have the best of both worlds.


>
> The best solution from the perspective of the users would be to have a
> mailing list system that can also offer and present the messages on the web,
> but this would involve more work for JQuery developers, and it seems that
> this idea is the best, but there is nobody willing to help doing and
> administering it.
>
> So the JQuery developers have chosen to use a forum which is administered
> by somebody else. That's very OK, but I think at least the JQuery mailing
> lists should not be disabled, while there still are users that prefer using
> them.


I don't know that they will be disabled, but if not they will be completely
unmoderated. This means way more spam than before. In addition, many active
contributors, including jQuery team members, have moved over to the forum,
so there will be a lot less traffic on the mailing lists. People may still
find help and answers, but it won't be the official forum. Just as before
when the mailing list was the official forum, people found answers
elsewhere.


>
>
>  To be honest, I've never been a fan of forums, either. But after
>> spending some time in the jQuery forum, I'm starting to appreciate its
>> advantages over a plain mailing list.
>>
>
> Can you please tell us which are those advantages?
> (in general, not only regarding JQuery forum.)
>

*Tags*
I tag and filter emails, and it's been really nice. But it's always bothered
me that all the tagging and filtering I do has to be duplicated by everyone
else consuming the same content. Using tags on the website forum, all this
metadata can be shared.

*Types*
On the forum, there are 5 type of threads: Discussions, Questions, Ideas,
Problems, and Announcements. These can be selected by the OP and corrected
be a moderator, and searched and filtered on. Another piece of shared
metadata.

*Categories*
Before we had 5 or 6 mailing lists for different sub-topics. Many times a
day as a moderator, I would have to kindly ask someone to move a discussion
to the correct forum, to keep noise down, to keep the list on-topic, and to
ensure people saw the question and the answer in the right place, whether
via email or web archive. This was not only a real pain, but it's not that
much fun for anyone involved, especially new users that may not have a clue
that there's more than one list, or which list to post to: jquery-en,
jquery-dev, jquery-ui, jquery-ui-dev, jquery-a11y, etc. On the new website
forum, not only is it easier to see which top-level forum topics are
available for posting, but if something is posted in the wrong forum, a
moderator can simply select 'Move this topic' and then select the correct
sub-forum. That immediately reflects in any sorting, filtering, or
categorization anyone does. Another piece of shared metadata.

*Status*
In addition to being able to tag, type, and categorize each thread, a
moderator and/or the OP can set the status of a thread. The OP can select an
answer as the best, meaning future visitors can read 2 messages instead of
20. Moderators can set the status as 'more info needed', closed, answered,
open, in-progress, etc. All these statuses can be used in sorting and
filtering. Another piece of shared metadata.

Noticing a trend?

*Moderation edit controls*
Posts can be edited. This isn't possible with email, since the message was
already sent. And the web archive stores only the original message. This
needs to be used judiciously, but can be great for fixing typographical
errors, adding some important keywords to a thread topic, fixing some
for

Re: [jQuery] New Forums

[Steffan A. Cline]

Same here. I read the emails daily. A forum that emails as well, is a better
option. Hell, I¹d even be willing to setup something on my colo if it would
help out. John would have all the control he needs.


Thanks

Steffan

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From: Rick Faircloth 
Organization: White Stone Media
Reply-To: 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:31:38 -0500
To: 
Subject: RE: [jQuery] New Forums

But isn¹t it possible to ³have our cake and eat it, too² in this situation?
 
I¹m a member of the CF-Talk (ColdFusion) group and we use both a mailing
list
and an online system.  (I¹m hesitant to call the online system a ³forum²
because
it may not fit the accepted definition of a forum).
 
However, people can go online and use the system for reading the mail and
search the archives, or they can just use their email for the same messages,
as I do.
The main difference between the two, I think, is that House of Fusion runs
their
own servers and software, whereas, it looks like John is outsourcing that
work, which
is understandable.  But there out to be a solution that provides both forum
and email
solutions simultaneously.  Surely, if someone chooses it, there is an option
to send
all messages to someone¹s email address and not just messages from
particular threads.
 
Perhaps John, et al, should go over to www.HouseOfFusion.com
  and see how it¹s
being doing there and discuss this issue with those that control the CF-Talk
list, as well
as the other lists that are present, such as CF-Newbie.  (I¹ve always
thought and have
suggested that a jQuery-Newbie list would be of great benefit to the jQuery
community
to separate the beginner questions from the advanced side of things.
 
I just know, that as busy as I am, I won¹t have time or the desire to visit
a forum constantly
and check what people are posting.  I do read people¹s posts and even if I
don¹t know the
answer, I read responses to learn and help when I can.  I have to be in my
email constantly
for client communications and taking the jQuery list out of my central area
of communications
(email) is going to kill my participation in the jQuery list, unfortunately.
 
Rick
 

From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:jquery...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Karl Swedberg
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:30 AM
To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [jQuery] New Forums
 

 

On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:11 PM, brian wrote:


FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to
John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers.

 

No, that's not it. Okay, maybe it was one of the last straws, but we've been
talking about moving to a forum for a couple years now. If you want to know
what factors were involved in the decision, please read

http://jquery14.com/day-07/new-jquery-forum/

 

To be honest, I've never been a fan of forums, either. But after spending
some time in the jQuery forum, I'm starting to appreciate its advantages
over a plain mailing list. I wish there were a solution out there that is
ideal for everyone. Unfortunately, though, every solution comes with its own
set of compromises.

 

 

--Karl




Karl Swedberg

www.englishrules.com 

www.learningjquery.com 

 

RE: [jQuery] New Forums

[Rick Faircloth]

But isn't it possible to "have our cake and eat it, too" in this situation?

 

I'm a member of the CF-Talk (ColdFusion) group and we use both a mailing
list

and an online system.  (I'm hesitant to call the online system a "forum"
because

it may not fit the accepted definition of a forum).

 

However, people can go online and use the system for reading the mail and

search the archives, or they can just use their email for the same messages,
as I do.

The main difference between the two, I think, is that House of Fusion runs
their

own servers and software, whereas, it looks like John is outsourcing that
work, which

is understandable.  But there out to be a solution that provides both forum
and email

solutions simultaneously.  Surely, if someone chooses it, there is an option
to send

all messages to someone's email address and not just messages from
particular threads.

 

Perhaps John, et al, should go over to www.HouseOfFusion.com and see how
it's

being doing there and discuss this issue with those that control the CF-Talk
list, as well

as the other lists that are present, such as CF-Newbie.  (I've always
thought and have

suggested that a jQuery-Newbie list would be of great benefit to the jQuery
community

to separate the beginner questions from the advanced side of things.

 

I just know, that as busy as I am, I won't have time or the desire to visit
a forum constantly

and check what people are posting.  I do read people's posts and even if I
don't know the

answer, I read responses to learn and help when I can.  I have to be in my
email constantly

for client communications and taking the jQuery list out of my central area
of communications

(email) is going to kill my participation in the jQuery list, unfortunately.

 

Rick

 

From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:jquery...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Karl Swedberg
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:30 AM
To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [jQuery] New Forums

 

 

On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:11 PM, brian wrote:





FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to
John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers. 

 

No, that's not it. Okay, maybe it was one of the last straws, but we've been
talking about moving to a forum for a couple years now. If you want to know
what factors were involved in the decision, please read 

http://jquery14.com/day-07/new-jquery-forum/

 

To be honest, I've never been a fan of forums, either. But after spending
some time in the jQuery forum, I'm starting to appreciate its advantages
over a plain mailing list. I wish there were a solution out there that is
ideal for everyone. Unfortunately, though, every solution comes with its own
set of compromises. 

 

 

--Karl




Karl Swedberg

www.englishrules.com

www.learningjquery.com

 

Re: [jQuery] New Forums

[Octavian Rasnita]

From: "Karl Swedberg" 


On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:11 PM, brian wrote:


FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to
John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers.


No, that's not it. Okay, maybe it was one of the last straws, but
we've been talking about moving to a forum for a couple years now. If
you want to know what factors were involved in the decision, please read
http://jquery14.com/day-07/new-jquery-forum/


I read that:

"Additionally, we wanted something that lowered the barrier to asking a 
question - something that anyone would be able to use"


Well, for some categories of users, the movement to a forum has done exactly 
the reverse, because a forum is much less accessible than a mailing list for 
screen reader users for example, but for other categories of users also.


For example, if a user uses a good mail client, he or she could configure it 
so all the messages from the list to go to a specific folder, the messages 
that contain some words in the subjects or in the body to go to another 
special folder as they arrive, the messages are automaticly grouped by 
conversation, and they can easier be all saved locally or all deleted (or 
individually).


The best solution from the perspective of the users would be to have a 
mailing list system that can also offer and present the messages on the web, 
but this would involve more work for JQuery developers, and it seems that 
this idea is the best, but there is nobody willing to help doing and 
administering it.


So the JQuery developers have chosen to use a forum which is administered by 
somebody else. That's very OK, but I think at least the JQuery mailing lists 
should not be disabled, while there still are users that prefer using them.



To be honest, I've never been a fan of forums, either. But after
spending some time in the jQuery forum, I'm starting to appreciate its
advantages over a plain mailing list.


Can you please tell us which are those advantages?
(in general, not only regarding JQuery forum.)

Thanks.

Octavian

[jQuery] jQuery pagerAnchorBuilder countSlide

[mikado11]

Hello,
how do I get the total amount of slides within cycle pagerAnchorBuilder
function ??

To generate a navigation within jQuery cycle I use the function
pagerAnchorBuilder.
This works fine.
Now I want to separate the navigation anchors with a vertical line in
between.
I do this with a css border-right on nav.a
The last anchor should have no right border!
So I want to give this specific last anchor a class noborder.

I get the total amount of slides within cycle pagerAnchorBuilder function ??

var index=0;
var imgTitles = new Array(###ARRAY_TITLE###);
var imgCredits = new Array(###ARRAY_DESCRIPTION###);
var imgLinks = new Array(###ARRAY_LINK###);
var idx=0;

function goto(id) {
 index = id;
 document.getElementById('img_title').innerHTML =  imgTitles[index];
 document.getElementById('img_credits').innerHTML =  imgCredits[index];
 document.getElementById("img_link").href = imgLinks[index];
 
}

function onBefore(curr, next, opts) {
  setTimeout(function() {
  id = opts.currSlide;
  goto(id);
  }, 10); 
}

$(function() {
$('#slideimage')
.before('')
.cycle({
fx: 'fade',
speed:  2000,
timeout: 1,
pager:  '#nav',

// callback fn that creates a thumbnail to use as pager anchor 
pagerAnchorBuilder: function(idx, slide) {
  var counter = idx+1;
  


  // Here I need the total amount of slides
  var totalslide = ???;



  if(counter < totalslide) {
return ' ' + counter + ' ';
  } else {
return ' ' + counter + ' ';
  }
},
before: onBefore
});
});
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Re: [jQuery] New Forums

[Karl Swedberg]

On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:11 PM, brian wrote:


FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to
John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers.


No, that's not it. Okay, maybe it was one of the last straws, but  
we've been talking about moving to a forum for a couple years now. If  
you want to know what factors were involved in the decision, please read

http://jquery14.com/day-07/new-jquery-forum/

To be honest, I've never been a fan of forums, either. But after  
spending some time in the jQuery forum, I'm starting to appreciate its  
advantages over a plain mailing list. I wish there were a solution out  
there that is ideal for everyone. Unfortunately, though, every  
solution comes with its own set of compromises.



--Karl


Karl Swedberg
www.englishrules.com
www.learningjquery.com

[jQuery] Re: UI slider execute function on change or slide

[MorningZ]

> I am using the ARIA Slider from

that would have been fantastic to have known *from the beginning*, I
thought you were using jQuery UI Slider, hence my reply 3 posts ago
with a link to the example, which explains now why you didn't read, or
seemingly even looked at...

whatever though, good luck fixing your issue


On Jan 21, 6:14 pm, Mircea  wrote:
> I am using the ARIA Slider 
> fromhttp://www.filamentgroup.com/lab/update_jquery_ui_slider_from_a_selec...
> I will change the values to 10, 20, 30, 40...
>
> When an user selects a value with the slider the font-size will
> increase or decrease accordingly. I managed to get the current
> selection of the slider in a variable, I want now to pass it to a CSS
> function:
>
> My variable is:
> var setfontsize = $('#sizer :selected').text();
>
> the css function is
> $('.cica').css("font-size", setfontsize + "px");
>
> In the original ARIA Slider I had changed #speed with #sizer.
>
> Thanx for your help!

Re: [jQuery] Abridged summary of jquery...@googlegroups.com - 45 Messages in 23 Topics

[traoux]

Bonjour,

je suis absent du 21 janvier au 8 février. 

En cas d'urgence veuillez téléphoner à l'agence au 04.92.45.18.05.

Merci et à bientôt !

Thierry Raoux

Re: [jQuery] New Forums

[Scott Wilcox]

+vote for Mailman.

On 22 Jan 2010, at 08:41, Octavian Râşniţă wrote:

> From: "brian" 
> FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to
> John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers. It's happened to me,
> also. That, too, is unacceptable.
> 
> I vote for Mailman, or some other well-established list software. I
> won't register with zoho, either.
> 
> ++
> 
> Octavian
> 



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Re: [jQuery] New Forums

[Scott Wilcox]

Agreed.

On 22 Jan 2010, at 00:38, Matt Quackenbush wrote:

> Well stated, Shawn.  I wholeheartedly concur.
> 



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[jQuery] JQuery Reporting Tool

[Zia]

I need Jquery Reporting Tool. If there any can anyone send me that
package?

[jQuery] Save all DOM changes

[Mircea]

I have a small JQuery script where the user can modify the DOM
according to its needs. Is there a way to save or get in a
window.alert the modified css and DOM changes?

Thank you

[jQuery] TableSorter + LightWindow problem

[MaximLisitsa]

Hi 2ALL... I've a tablesorter with attached pager plugin on my page
with links 'Details' in the one of the cell. Links have a
class='lightwindow' and after clicking is rising up a LightWindow
script with a window. So it work's vell on the First Page .. when i
click Next Page on SortTable.Pager and clickin on my link 'Details'
it's doesnt work correctly, it looks like my links lost their
class='lightwindow'.
Any suggestions?

Re: [jQuery] $get request

[nigel.]

Your trying to to a cross-domain request which is not allowed. 

This may help 
http://james.padolsey.com/javascript/cross-domain-requests-with-jquery/
http://james.padolsey.com/javascript/cross-domain-requests-with-jquery/ 
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Re: [jQuery] New Forums

[Octavian Râşniţă]

From: "brian" 
FWIW, I'm pretty sure the decision to drop Google Groups is due to
John Ressig's account being spoofed by spammers. It's happened to me,
also. That, too, is unacceptable.

I vote for Mailman, or some other well-established list software. I
won't register with zoho, either.

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Octavian