[jQuery] Re: libraries

[Olivier Percebois-Garve]

1.you just dont need to put ids in li element. All what you want to do is
doable only with on id on the root ul.
Do do that , you should use relative selectors such as:

$tree = $('#mytree');
$('li', $tree).doSomething();

2.ok

3.yes it is the correct design.

4.licence. if you want to attract peoples, you may consider adding also a
less restrictive licence, sucha s MIT.


Olivier



On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> "- think your plugin is tied to specific ids on each node. This should not
> be necessary."
> I didn't understand this sentence...
>
> "- the plugin is calling directly image to decorate the tree, I think it
> should be done via options."
> You are right. It will be done for the next version!
>
> "(google : jquery plugin pattern)"
> I did it already in 0.1 version (thanks to Mike Alsup - nice tutorial)
>
> "- you've a method new_node and then one named insert_node. confusing."
> "new_node" intend to be private method, and "insert_node" is the public
> method that uses new_node method. If its wrong try to explain me correct
> implementation, please!
>
> "other than that, nice, very nice, for somebody that is just learning
> english."
> My brother is an excellent English writer and translator...
>
>  "you've ambitious scripts."
> thank you very much I want to share these projects with developers. Do
> you want colaborate? All of them is GPL!!!
>
> correct URL. forgive me.
> http://calango.barquettenet.net/~dirceu/isabela/jquery.isabela_draw
>
>
>
> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>
>> quick comments:
>>
>> - think your plugin is tied to specific ids on each node. This should not
>> be necessary.
>> - the plugin is calling directly image to decorate the tree, I think it
>> should be done via options.  (google : jquery plugin pattern)
>>  actually the best is to use css clases for the different states and
>> decorate them using css.
>> - you've a method new_node and then one named insert_node. confusing.
>>
>> other than that, nice, very nice, for somebody that is just learning
>> english. you've ambitious scripts.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
>> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think the thread just ended. :D
>>>
>>> If you have some time, download and comment my plugins:
>>> http://jqtreevial.sourceforge.net
>>>
>>> And:
>>> http;//isabeladraw.sourceforge.net (official versioning)
>>> http://calango.barquettenet.net/~dirceu/isabela/jquery.isabela_draw(nightly
>>>  version)
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you very much!
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>>>
 Don't worry with your english, I'm not a native.

 So you want to know how to make json request ?

 Do you still have a question, or do you want just to discuss stuffs ?




 On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
 dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The initial question was just about libraries.
> The thread now pointing to CMS. This is my goal! Write in English about
> this is so much difficult to me.
> I have been doing many apps (my job...) using jquery.
> I follow this group just to learn more with others developers. When I
> have some dummy doubt about jQuery I just googlit and "voila"!! jQuery is 
> a
> fatastic tool!! But I want much more and it is truely possible using 
> jQuery
> thoughts.
>
> This is just a dream, but reachable: View components builded with
> jQuery that can request data from server (controller). Controller can be
> builded using any language you wish, but the answer just is a JSON! jQuery
> read easy this answer and put data in the component previously created. 
> You
> know?
>
> Thanks again for your interest!
>
>
> Dirceu Barquette
>
> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>
>>
>> using a MVC framework such as cakephp or zend framework, you can put
>> the html in a view, and on top of that view insert the js. If you use the
>> "head" helper, you can make it be inserted between in the .
>> same for css.
>> The I advice you to put your javascript code into seperate files, one
>> for each plugins.
>>
>> This way, every time a view is requested, the relevant js will be
>> called, and with HTML + js + css, you've your widget.
>>
>> Is that answering your question ?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
>> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Forgive me the wrong words and semanthics. My mind is a tool for
>>> automatic translation...
>>>
>>> You are right about new thread. But in other words I want build the
>>> "view" part only. To do this I need some IDE. See this IDE like 

[jQuery] Re: libraries

[Dirceu Barquette]

"- think your plugin is tied to specific ids on each node. This should not
be necessary."
I didn't understand this sentence...

"- the plugin is calling directly image to decorate the tree, I think it
should be done via options."
You are right. It will be done for the next version!

"(google : jquery plugin pattern)"
I did it already in 0.1 version (thanks to Mike Alsup - nice tutorial)

"- you've a method new_node and then one named insert_node. confusing."
"new_node" intend to be private method, and "insert_node" is the public
method that uses new_node method. If its wrong try to explain me correct
implementation, please!

"other than that, nice, very nice, for somebody that is just learning
english."
My brother is an excellent English writer and translator...

 "you've ambitious scripts."
thank you very much I want to share these projects with developers. Do
you want colaborate? All of them is GPL!!!

correct URL. forgive me.
http://calango.barquettenet.net/~dirceu/isabela/jquery.isabela_draw



2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 

> quick comments:
>
> - think your plugin is tied to specific ids on each node. This should not
> be necessary.
> - the plugin is calling directly image to decorate the tree, I think it
> should be done via options.  (google : jquery plugin pattern)
>  actually the best is to use css clases for the different states and
> decorate them using css.
> - you've a method new_node and then one named insert_node. confusing.
>
> other than that, nice, very nice, for somebody that is just learning
> english. you've ambitious scripts.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think the thread just ended. :D
>>
>> If you have some time, download and comment my plugins:
>> http://jqtreevial.sourceforge.net
>>
>> And:
>> http;//isabeladraw.sourceforge.net (official versioning)
>> http://calango.barquettenet.net/~dirceu/isabela/jquery.isabela_draw(nightly
>>  version)
>>
>> Thank you very much!
>>
>>
>> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>>
>>> Don't worry with your english, I'm not a native.
>>>
>>> So you want to know how to make json request ?
>>>
>>> Do you still have a question, or do you want just to discuss stuffs ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
>>> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 The initial question was just about libraries.
 The thread now pointing to CMS. This is my goal! Write in English about
 this is so much difficult to me.
 I have been doing many apps (my job...) using jquery.
 I follow this group just to learn more with others developers. When I
 have some dummy doubt about jQuery I just googlit and "voila"!! jQuery is a
 fatastic tool!! But I want much more and it is truely possible using jQuery
 thoughts.

 This is just a dream, but reachable: View components builded with jQuery
 that can request data from server (controller). Controller can be builded
 using any language you wish, but the answer just is a JSON! jQuery read 
 easy
 this answer and put data in the component previously created. You know?

 Thanks again for your interest!


 Dirceu Barquette

 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 

>
> using a MVC framework such as cakephp or zend framework, you can put
> the html in a view, and on top of that view insert the js. If you use the
> "head" helper, you can make it be inserted between in the .
> same for css.
> The I advice you to put your javascript code into seperate files, one
> for each plugins.
>
> This way, every time a view is requested, the relevant js will be
> called, and with HTML + js + css, you've your widget.
>
> Is that answering your question ?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Forgive me the wrong words and semanthics. My mind is a tool for
>> automatic translation...
>>
>> You are right about new thread. But in other words I want build the
>> "view" part only. To do this I need some IDE. See this IDE like a GUI
>> builder (with components ready to use).
>>
>> Second:
>> If an user wants a list, he doesn't need write:
>> $('')
>>.attr({id:'li-1'})
>>.css({list-style-image:'url(./imgs/blah.png)'})
>>.addClass('generalList')
>>.text('blah')
>>.appendTo('#ul-id');
>>
>> End users just wants: "click on the element and choice what he wants".
>>
>> Put these two topics together and you have an application that build
>> applications. Or a CMS!!!
>>
>> Thanks a lot!!!
>>
>>
>> Dirceu Barquette
>>
>> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>>
>>

[jQuery] Re: libraries

[Olivier Percebois-Garve]

quick comments:

- think your plugin is tied to specific ids on each node. This should not be
necessary.
- the plugin is calling directly image to decorate the tree, I think it
should be done via options.  (google : jquery plugin pattern)
 actually the best is to use css clases for the different states and
decorate them using css.
- you've a method new_node and then one named insert_node. confusing.

other than that, nice, very nice, for somebody that is just learning
english. you've ambitious scripts.





On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I think the thread just ended. :D
>
> If you have some time, download and comment my plugins:
> http://jqtreevial.sourceforge.net
>
> And:
> http;//isabeladraw.sourceforge.net (official versioning)
> http://calango.barquettenet.net/~dirceu/isabela_draw/jquery.isabela_draw(nightly
>  version)
>
> Thank you very much!
>
>
> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>
>> Don't worry with your english, I'm not a native.
>>
>> So you want to know how to make json request ?
>>
>> Do you still have a question, or do you want just to discuss stuffs ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
>> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The initial question was just about libraries.
>>> The thread now pointing to CMS. This is my goal! Write in English about
>>> this is so much difficult to me.
>>> I have been doing many apps (my job...) using jquery.
>>> I follow this group just to learn more with others developers. When I
>>> have some dummy doubt about jQuery I just googlit and "voila"!! jQuery is a
>>> fatastic tool!! But I want much more and it is truely possible using jQuery
>>> thoughts.
>>>
>>> This is just a dream, but reachable: View components builded with jQuery
>>> that can request data from server (controller). Controller can be builded
>>> using any language you wish, but the answer just is a JSON! jQuery read easy
>>> this answer and put data in the component previously created. You know?
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your interest!
>>>
>>>
>>> Dirceu Barquette
>>>
>>> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>>>

 using a MVC framework such as cakephp or zend framework, you can put the
 html in a view, and on top of that view insert the js. If you use the 
 "head"
 helper, you can make it be inserted between in the . same for
 css.
 The I advice you to put your javascript code into seperate files, one
 for each plugins.

 This way, every time a view is requested, the relevant js will be
 called, and with HTML + js + css, you've your widget.

 Is that answering your question ?



 On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
 dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Forgive me the wrong words and semanthics. My mind is a tool for
> automatic translation...
>
> You are right about new thread. But in other words I want build the
> "view" part only. To do this I need some IDE. See this IDE like a GUI
> builder (with components ready to use).
>
> Second:
> If an user wants a list, he doesn't need write:
> $('')
>.attr({id:'li-1'})
>.css({list-style-image:'url(./imgs/blah.png)'})
>.addClass('generalList')
>.text('blah')
>.appendTo('#ul-id');
>
> End users just wants: "click on the element and choice what he wants".
>
> Put these two topics together and you have an application that build
> applications. Or a CMS!!!
>
> Thanks a lot!!!
>
>
> Dirceu Barquette
>
> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>
>> Dirceu
>>
>> is this a different question ? in that case you should start a new
>> thread with a different title
>> also if you are using a tool for automatic translation, just mention
>> it.
>>
>> I'm trying to understand what is your question.
>>
>> You are trying to create a client-side widget in a MVC framework, and
>> you dont know how to structurate it ?
>>
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
>> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok!
>>> Thanks to all!. But the right "stuff" I want is everything like this:
>>> http://tof2k.com/ext/formbuilder
>>>
>>> I want to build components for the "view layer". People (me included)
>>> has been building widgets and plugins for topics apps. Most of them 
>>> mixes
>>> among styles and logic to build it and force you develop controller at 
>>> the
>>> same time.
>>> When I develop an application, first I used to put any components
>>> without styles at the view layer. These components doesn't need to know 
>>> how
>>> the logic works to. It must exists without "know" weather model or
>>> controller exists

[jQuery] Re: libraries

[Dirceu Barquette]

OH!!
I've forgotten the magic word: "please" :-)

2008/12/17 Dirceu Barquette 

>
> I think the thread just ended. :D
>
> If you have some time, download and comment my plugins:
> http://jqtreevial.sourceforge.net
>
> And:
> http;//isabeladraw.sourceforge.net (official versioning)
> http://calango.barquettenet.net/~dirceu/isabela_draw/jquery.isabela_draw(nightly
>  version)
>
> Thank you very much!
>
>
> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>
>> Don't worry with your english, I'm not a native.
>>
>> So you want to know how to make json request ?
>>
>> Do you still have a question, or do you want just to discuss stuffs ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
>> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The initial question was just about libraries.
>>> The thread now pointing to CMS. This is my goal! Write in English about
>>> this is so much difficult to me.
>>> I have been doing many apps (my job...) using jquery.
>>> I follow this group just to learn more with others developers. When I
>>> have some dummy doubt about jQuery I just googlit and "voila"!! jQuery is a
>>> fatastic tool!! But I want much more and it is truely possible using jQuery
>>> thoughts.
>>>
>>> This is just a dream, but reachable: View components builded with jQuery
>>> that can request data from server (controller). Controller can be builded
>>> using any language you wish, but the answer just is a JSON! jQuery read easy
>>> this answer and put data in the component previously created. You know?
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your interest!
>>>
>>>
>>> Dirceu Barquette
>>>
>>> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>>>

 using a MVC framework such as cakephp or zend framework, you can put the
 html in a view, and on top of that view insert the js. If you use the 
 "head"
 helper, you can make it be inserted between in the . same for
 css.
 The I advice you to put your javascript code into seperate files, one
 for each plugins.

 This way, every time a view is requested, the relevant js will be
 called, and with HTML + js + css, you've your widget.

 Is that answering your question ?



 On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
 dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Forgive me the wrong words and semanthics. My mind is a tool for
> automatic translation...
>
> You are right about new thread. But in other words I want build the
> "view" part only. To do this I need some IDE. See this IDE like a GUI
> builder (with components ready to use).
>
> Second:
> If an user wants a list, he doesn't need write:
> $('')
>.attr({id:'li-1'})
>.css({list-style-image:'url(./imgs/blah.png)'})
>.addClass('generalList')
>.text('blah')
>.appendTo('#ul-id');
>
> End users just wants: "click on the element and choice what he wants".
>
> Put these two topics together and you have an application that build
> applications. Or a CMS!!!
>
> Thanks a lot!!!
>
>
> Dirceu Barquette
>
> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>
>> Dirceu
>>
>> is this a different question ? in that case you should start a new
>> thread with a different title
>> also if you are using a tool for automatic translation, just mention
>> it.
>>
>> I'm trying to understand what is your question.
>>
>> You are trying to create a client-side widget in a MVC framework, and
>> you dont know how to structurate it ?
>>
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
>> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok!
>>> Thanks to all!. But the right "stuff" I want is everything like this:
>>> http://tof2k.com/ext/formbuilder
>>>
>>> I want to build components for the "view layer". People (me included)
>>> has been building widgets and plugins for topics apps. Most of them 
>>> mixes
>>> among styles and logic to build it and force you develop controller at 
>>> the
>>> same time.
>>> When I develop an application, first I used to put any components
>>> without styles at the view layer. These components doesn't need to know 
>>> how
>>> the logic works to. It must exists without "know" weather model or
>>> controller exists and has own logic. "View" is a complete application by
>>> itself. Styles comes latter... Web designers doesn't need to know how 
>>> jQuery
>>> works. They need stylesheet only.
>>> The above link shows that it is possible (but still mixing style with
>>> logic). Components needs  constructor method to build itself. Others 
>>> methods
>>> and attrs comes latter.
>>>
>>> Again, sorry my english... I hope you understand the semanthic of my
>>> words.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>

[jQuery] Re: libraries

[Dirceu Barquette]

I think the thread just ended. :D

If you have some time, download and comment my plugins:
http://jqtreevial.sourceforge.net

And:
http;//isabeladraw.sourceforge.net (official versioning)
http://calango.barquettenet.net/~dirceu/isabela_draw/jquery.isabela_draw(nightly
version)

Thank you very much!

2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 

> Don't worry with your english, I'm not a native.
>
> So you want to know how to make json request ?
>
> Do you still have a question, or do you want just to discuss stuffs ?
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The initial question was just about libraries.
>> The thread now pointing to CMS. This is my goal! Write in English about
>> this is so much difficult to me.
>> I have been doing many apps (my job...) using jquery.
>> I follow this group just to learn more with others developers. When I have
>> some dummy doubt about jQuery I just googlit and "voila"!! jQuery is a
>> fatastic tool!! But I want much more and it is truely possible using jQuery
>> thoughts.
>>
>> This is just a dream, but reachable: View components builded with jQuery
>> that can request data from server (controller). Controller can be builded
>> using any language you wish, but the answer just is a JSON! jQuery read easy
>> this answer and put data in the component previously created. You know?
>>
>> Thanks again for your interest!
>>
>>
>> Dirceu Barquette
>>
>> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>>
>>>
>>> using a MVC framework such as cakephp or zend framework, you can put the
>>> html in a view, and on top of that view insert the js. If you use the "head"
>>> helper, you can make it be inserted between in the . same for
>>> css.
>>> The I advice you to put your javascript code into seperate files, one for
>>> each plugins.
>>>
>>> This way, every time a view is requested, the relevant js will be called,
>>> and with HTML + js + css, you've your widget.
>>>
>>> Is that answering your question ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
>>> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Forgive me the wrong words and semanthics. My mind is a tool for
 automatic translation...

 You are right about new thread. But in other words I want build the
 "view" part only. To do this I need some IDE. See this IDE like a GUI
 builder (with components ready to use).

 Second:
 If an user wants a list, he doesn't need write:
 $('')
.attr({id:'li-1'})
.css({list-style-image:'url(./imgs/blah.png)'})
.addClass('generalList')
.text('blah')
.appendTo('#ul-id');

 End users just wants: "click on the element and choice what he wants".

 Put these two topics together and you have an application that build
 applications. Or a CMS!!!

 Thanks a lot!!!


 Dirceu Barquette

 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 

> Dirceu
>
> is this a different question ? in that case you should start a new
> thread with a different title
> also if you are using a tool for automatic translation, just mention
> it.
>
> I'm trying to understand what is your question.
>
> You are trying to create a client-side widget in a MVC framework, and
> you dont know how to structurate it ?
>
>
> Olivier
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok!
>> Thanks to all!. But the right "stuff" I want is everything like this:
>> http://tof2k.com/ext/formbuilder
>>
>> I want to build components for the "view layer". People (me included)
>> has been building widgets and plugins for topics apps. Most of them mixes
>> among styles and logic to build it and force you develop controller at 
>> the
>> same time.
>> When I develop an application, first I used to put any components
>> without styles at the view layer. These components doesn't need to know 
>> how
>> the logic works to. It must exists without "know" weather model or
>> controller exists and has own logic. "View" is a complete application by
>> itself. Styles comes latter... Web designers doesn't need to know how 
>> jQuery
>> works. They need stylesheet only.
>> The above link shows that it is possible (but still mixing style with
>> logic). Components needs  constructor method to build itself. Others 
>> methods
>> and attrs comes latter.
>>
>> Again, sorry my english... I hope you understand the semanthic of my
>> words.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dirceu Barquette
>>
>> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>>
>> Aptana does a good job for auto completion.
>>>
>>> I you weant to learn the api for yourself, I think that
>>> visualjquery.com is excellent, I almost always have it open whilst
>>> developing.
>>>
>>>
>>

[jQuery] Re: libraries

[Olivier Percebois-Garve]

Don't worry with your english, I'm not a native.

So you want to know how to make json request ?

Do you still have a question, or do you want just to discuss stuffs ?



On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The initial question was just about libraries.
> The thread now pointing to CMS. This is my goal! Write in English about
> this is so much difficult to me.
> I have been doing many apps (my job...) using jquery.
> I follow this group just to learn more with others developers. When I have
> some dummy doubt about jQuery I just googlit and "voila"!! jQuery is a
> fatastic tool!! But I want much more and it is truely possible using jQuery
> thoughts.
>
> This is just a dream, but reachable: View components builded with jQuery
> that can request data from server (controller). Controller can be builded
> using any language you wish, but the answer just is a JSON! jQuery read easy
> this answer and put data in the component previously created. You know?
>
> Thanks again for your interest!
>
>
> Dirceu Barquette
>
> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>
>>
>> using a MVC framework such as cakephp or zend framework, you can put the
>> html in a view, and on top of that view insert the js. If you use the "head"
>> helper, you can make it be inserted between in the . same for
>> css.
>> The I advice you to put your javascript code into seperate files, one for
>> each plugins.
>>
>> This way, every time a view is requested, the relevant js will be called,
>> and with HTML + js + css, you've your widget.
>>
>> Is that answering your question ?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
>> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Forgive me the wrong words and semanthics. My mind is a tool for
>>> automatic translation...
>>>
>>> You are right about new thread. But in other words I want build the
>>> "view" part only. To do this I need some IDE. See this IDE like a GUI
>>> builder (with components ready to use).
>>>
>>> Second:
>>> If an user wants a list, he doesn't need write:
>>> $('')
>>>.attr({id:'li-1'})
>>>.css({list-style-image:'url(./imgs/blah.png)'})
>>>.addClass('generalList')
>>>.text('blah')
>>>.appendTo('#ul-id');
>>>
>>> End users just wants: "click on the element and choice what he wants".
>>>
>>> Put these two topics together and you have an application that build
>>> applications. Or a CMS!!!
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Dirceu Barquette
>>>
>>> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>>>
 Dirceu

 is this a different question ? in that case you should start a new
 thread with a different title
 also if you are using a tool for automatic translation, just mention it.

 I'm trying to understand what is your question.

 You are trying to create a client-side widget in a MVC framework, and
 you dont know how to structurate it ?


 Olivier


 On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
 dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok!
> Thanks to all!. But the right "stuff" I want is everything like this:
> http://tof2k.com/ext/formbuilder
>
> I want to build components for the "view layer". People (me included)
> has been building widgets and plugins for topics apps. Most of them mixes
> among styles and logic to build it and force you develop controller at the
> same time.
> When I develop an application, first I used to put any components
> without styles at the view layer. These components doesn't need to know 
> how
> the logic works to. It must exists without "know" weather model or
> controller exists and has own logic. "View" is a complete application by
> itself. Styles comes latter... Web designers doesn't need to know how 
> jQuery
> works. They need stylesheet only.
> The above link shows that it is possible (but still mixing style with
> logic). Components needs  constructor method to build itself. Others 
> methods
> and attrs comes latter.
>
> Again, sorry my english... I hope you understand the semanthic of my
> words.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dirceu Barquette
>
> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>
> Aptana does a good job for auto completion.
>>
>> I you weant to learn the api for yourself, I think that
>> visualjquery.com is excellent, I almost always have it open whilst
>> developing.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
>> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'd like to know, please:
>>> There is  {HTML,CSS,jQuery}library in [xml,csv,json]file format?
>>> The goal is an IDE...
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Dirceu Barquette
>>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

[jQuery] Re: libraries

[Dirceu Barquette]

The initial question was just about libraries.
The thread now pointing to CMS. This is my goal! Write in English about this
is so much difficult to me.
I have been doing many apps (my job...) using jquery.
I follow this group just to learn more with others developers. When I have
some dummy doubt about jQuery I just googlit and "voila"!! jQuery is a
fatastic tool!! But I want much more and it is truely possible using jQuery
thoughts.

This is just a dream, but reachable: View components builded with jQuery
that can request data from server (controller). Controller can be builded
using any language you wish, but the answer just is a JSON! jQuery read easy
this answer and put data in the component previously created. You know?

Thanks again for your interest!

Dirceu Barquette

2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 

>
> using a MVC framework such as cakephp or zend framework, you can put the
> html in a view, and on top of that view insert the js. If you use the "head"
> helper, you can make it be inserted between in the . same for
> css.
> The I advice you to put your javascript code into seperate files, one for
> each plugins.
>
> This way, every time a view is requested, the relevant js will be called,
> and with HTML + js + css, you've your widget.
>
> Is that answering your question ?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Forgive me the wrong words and semanthics. My mind is a tool for automatic
>> translation...
>>
>> You are right about new thread. But in other words I want build the "view"
>> part only. To do this I need some IDE. See this IDE like a GUI builder (with
>> components ready to use).
>>
>> Second:
>> If an user wants a list, he doesn't need write:
>> $('')
>>.attr({id:'li-1'})
>>.css({list-style-image:'url(./imgs/blah.png)'})
>>.addClass('generalList')
>>.text('blah')
>>.appendTo('#ul-id');
>>
>> End users just wants: "click on the element and choice what he wants".
>>
>> Put these two topics together and you have an application that build
>> applications. Or a CMS!!!
>>
>> Thanks a lot!!!
>>
>>
>> Dirceu Barquette
>>
>> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>>
>>> Dirceu
>>>
>>> is this a different question ? in that case you should start a new thread
>>> with a different title
>>> also if you are using a tool for automatic translation, just mention it.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to understand what is your question.
>>>
>>> You are trying to create a client-side widget in a MVC framework, and you
>>> dont know how to structurate it ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Olivier
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
>>> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Ok!
 Thanks to all!. But the right "stuff" I want is everything like this:
 http://tof2k.com/ext/formbuilder

 I want to build components for the "view layer". People (me included)
 has been building widgets and plugins for topics apps. Most of them mixes
 among styles and logic to build it and force you develop controller at the
 same time.
 When I develop an application, first I used to put any components
 without styles at the view layer. These components doesn't need to know how
 the logic works to. It must exists without "know" weather model or
 controller exists and has own logic. "View" is a complete application by
 itself. Styles comes latter... Web designers doesn't need to know how 
 jQuery
 works. They need stylesheet only.
 The above link shows that it is possible (but still mixing style with
 logic). Components needs  constructor method to build itself. Others 
 methods
 and attrs comes latter.

 Again, sorry my english... I hope you understand the semanthic of my
 words.

 Thanks,

 Dirceu Barquette

 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 

 Aptana does a good job for auto completion.
>
> I you weant to learn the api for yourself, I think that
> visualjquery.com is excellent, I almost always have it open whilst
> developing.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd like to know, please:
>> There is  {HTML,CSS,jQuery}library in [xml,csv,json]file format?
>> The goal is an IDE...
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dirceu Barquette
>>
>
>

>>>
>>
>

[jQuery] Re: libraries

[Olivier Percebois-Garve]

using a MVC framework such as cakephp or zend framework, you can put the
html in a view, and on top of that view insert the js. If you use the "head"
helper, you can make it be inserted between in the . same for
css.
The I advice you to put your javascript code into seperate files, one for
each plugins.

This way, every time a view is requested, the relevant js will be called,
and with HTML + js + css, you've your widget.

Is that answering your question ?


On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Forgive me the wrong words and semanthics. My mind is a tool for automatic
> translation...
>
> You are right about new thread. But in other words I want build the "view"
> part only. To do this I need some IDE. See this IDE like a GUI builder (with
> components ready to use).
>
> Second:
> If an user wants a list, he doesn't need write:
> $('')
>.attr({id:'li-1'})
>.css({list-style-image:'url(./imgs/blah.png)'})
>.addClass('generalList')
>.text('blah')
>.appendTo('#ul-id');
>
> End users just wants: "click on the element and choice what he wants".
>
> Put these two topics together and you have an application that build
> applications. Or a CMS!!!
>
> Thanks a lot!!!
>
>
> Dirceu Barquette
>
> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>
>> Dirceu
>>
>> is this a different question ? in that case you should start a new thread
>> with a different title
>> also if you are using a tool for automatic translation, just mention it.
>>
>> I'm trying to understand what is your question.
>>
>> You are trying to create a client-side widget in a MVC framework, and you
>> dont know how to structurate it ?
>>
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
>> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok!
>>> Thanks to all!. But the right "stuff" I want is everything like this:
>>> http://tof2k.com/ext/formbuilder
>>>
>>> I want to build components for the "view layer". People (me included) has
>>> been building widgets and plugins for topics apps. Most of them mixes among
>>> styles and logic to build it and force you develop controller at the same
>>> time.
>>> When I develop an application, first I used to put any components without
>>> styles at the view layer. These components doesn't need to know how the
>>> logic works to. It must exists without "know" weather model or controller
>>> exists and has own logic. "View" is a complete application by itself. Styles
>>> comes latter... Web designers doesn't need to know how jQuery works. They
>>> need stylesheet only.
>>> The above link shows that it is possible (but still mixing style with
>>> logic). Components needs  constructor method to build itself. Others methods
>>> and attrs comes latter.
>>>
>>> Again, sorry my english... I hope you understand the semanthic of my
>>> words.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Dirceu Barquette
>>>
>>> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>>>
>>> Aptana does a good job for auto completion.

 I you weant to learn the api for yourself, I think that
 visualjquery.com is excellent, I almost always have it open whilst
 developing.



 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
 dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'd like to know, please:
> There is  {HTML,CSS,jQuery}library in [xml,csv,json]file format?
> The goal is an IDE...
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dirceu Barquette
>


>>>
>>
>

[jQuery] Re: libraries

[Dirceu Barquette]

Forgive me the wrong words and semanthics. My mind is a tool for automatic
translation...

You are right about new thread. But in other words I want build the "view"
part only. To do this I need some IDE. See this IDE like a GUI builder (with
components ready to use).

Second:
If an user wants a list, he doesn't need write:
$('')
   .attr({id:'li-1'})
   .css({list-style-image:'url(./imgs/blah.png)'})
   .addClass('generalList')
   .text('blah')
   .appendTo('#ul-id');

End users just wants: "click on the element and choice what he wants".

Put these two topics together and you have an application that build
applications. Or a CMS!!!

Thanks a lot!!!

Dirceu Barquette

2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 

> Dirceu
>
> is this a different question ? in that case you should start a new thread
> with a different title
> also if you are using a tool for automatic translation, just mention it.
>
> I'm trying to understand what is your question.
>
> You are trying to create a client-side widget in a MVC framework, and you
> dont know how to structurate it ?
>
>
> Olivier
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok!
>> Thanks to all!. But the right "stuff" I want is everything like this:
>> http://tof2k.com/ext/formbuilder
>>
>> I want to build components for the "view layer". People (me included) has
>> been building widgets and plugins for topics apps. Most of them mixes among
>> styles and logic to build it and force you develop controller at the same
>> time.
>> When I develop an application, first I used to put any components without
>> styles at the view layer. These components doesn't need to know how the
>> logic works to. It must exists without "know" weather model or controller
>> exists and has own logic. "View" is a complete application by itself. Styles
>> comes latter... Web designers doesn't need to know how jQuery works. They
>> need stylesheet only.
>> The above link shows that it is possible (but still mixing style with
>> logic). Components needs  constructor method to build itself. Others methods
>> and attrs comes latter.
>>
>> Again, sorry my english... I hope you understand the semanthic of my
>> words.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dirceu Barquette
>>
>> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>>
>> Aptana does a good job for auto completion.
>>>
>>> I you weant to learn the api for yourself, I think that visualjquery.comis 
>>> excellent, I almost always have it open whilst developing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
>>> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 I'd like to know, please:
 There is  {HTML,CSS,jQuery}library in [xml,csv,json]file format?
 The goal is an IDE...

 Thanks.

 Dirceu Barquette

>>>
>>>
>>
>

[jQuery] Re: libraries

[Olivier Percebois-Garve]

Dirceu

is this a different question ? in that case you should start a new thread
with a different title
also if you are using a tool for automatic translation, just mention it.

I'm trying to understand what is your question.

You are trying to create a client-side widget in a MVC framework, and you
dont know how to structurate it ?


Olivier

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok!
> Thanks to all!. But the right "stuff" I want is everything like this:
> http://tof2k.com/ext/formbuilder
>
> I want to build components for the "view layer". People (me included) has
> been building widgets and plugins for topics apps. Most of them mixes among
> styles and logic to build it and force you develop controller at the same
> time.
> When I develop an application, first I used to put any components without
> styles at the view layer. These components doesn't need to know how the
> logic works to. It must exists without "know" weather model or controller
> exists and has own logic. "View" is a complete application by itself. Styles
> comes latter... Web designers doesn't need to know how jQuery works. They
> need stylesheet only.
> The above link shows that it is possible (but still mixing style with
> logic). Components needs  constructor method to build itself. Others methods
> and attrs comes latter.
>
> Again, sorry my english... I hope you understand the semanthic of my words.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dirceu Barquette
>
> 2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 
>
> Aptana does a good job for auto completion.
>>
>> I you weant to learn the api for yourself, I think that visualjquery.comis 
>> excellent, I almost always have it open whilst developing.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
>> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'd like to know, please:
>>> There is  {HTML,CSS,jQuery}library in [xml,csv,json]file format?
>>> The goal is an IDE...
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Dirceu Barquette
>>>
>>
>>
>

[jQuery] Re: libraries

[Dirceu Barquette]

Ok!
Thanks to all!. But the right "stuff" I want is everything like this:
http://tof2k.com/ext/formbuilder

I want to build components for the "view layer". People (me included) has
been building widgets and plugins for topics apps. Most of them mixes among
styles and logic to build it and force you develop controller at the same
time.
When I develop an application, first I used to put any components without
styles at the view layer. These components doesn't need to know how the
logic works to. It must exists without "know" weather model or controller
exists and has own logic. "View" is a complete application by itself. Styles
comes latter... Web designers doesn't need to know how jQuery works. They
need stylesheet only.
The above link shows that it is possible (but still mixing style with
logic). Components needs  constructor method to build itself. Others methods
and attrs comes latter.

Again, sorry my english... I hope you understand the semanthic of my words.

Thanks,

Dirceu Barquette

2008/12/17 Olivier Percebois-Garve 

> Aptana does a good job for auto completion.
>
> I you weant to learn the api for yourself, I think that visualjquery.comis 
> excellent, I almost always have it open whilst developing.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
> dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd like to know, please:
>> There is  {HTML,CSS,jQuery}library in [xml,csv,json]file format?
>> The goal is an IDE...
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dirceu Barquette
>>
>
>

[jQuery] Re: libraries

[Olivier Percebois-Garve]

Aptana does a good job for auto completion.

I you weant to learn the api for yourself, I think that visualjquery.com is
excellent, I almost always have it open whilst developing.


On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Dirceu Barquette <
dirceu.barque...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'd like to know, please:
> There is  {HTML,CSS,jQuery}library in [xml,csv,json]file format?
> The goal is an IDE...
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dirceu Barquette
>

[jQuery] Re: libraries

[Kean]

jQuery's API is intuitive by nature, you should learn by heart.

On Dec 16, 5:41 pm, Ricardo Tomasi  wrote:
> Ah now I see what you mean.
>
> You can download the extensions for Dreamweaver or IntelliSense 
> athttp://xtnd.us/dreamweaver/jqueryhttp://www.mustafaozcan.net/en/post/2008/06/15/JQuery-1-2-6-Intellise...
>
> But I think it's more productive to rewrite it from scratch in your
> own format. The Intellisense code is embedded in the comments of the
> script itself, you'd have to create a parser for that.
>
> On Dec 16, 8:09 pm, "Dirceu Barquette" 
> wrote:
>
> > OK. CSV isn't required...
> > All the IDE has {css,tagHtml}attrs or jQuery{attr,methods} auto-complete
> > cappable . If I have these lists, auto-completing is easy... isn't it?
> > Thanks
> > Dirceu Barquette
>
> > 2008/12/16 Ricardo Tomasi 
>
> > > Hmm.. what do you mean? all of these are plain text, I guess you meant
> > > something other than 'file format' (and csv has nothing to do with CSS
> > > by the way, more than the rest is unrelated!) :]
>
> > > On Dec 16, 5:22 pm, "Dirceu Barquette" 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi,
>
> > > > I'd like to know, please:
> > > > There is  {HTML,CSS,jQuery}library in [xml,csv,json]file format?
> > > > The goal is an IDE...
>
> > > > Thanks.
>
> > > > Dirceu Barquette

[jQuery] Re: libraries

[Ricardo Tomasi]

Ah now I see what you mean.

You can download the extensions for Dreamweaver or IntelliSense at
http://xtnd.us/dreamweaver/jquery
http://www.mustafaozcan.net/en/post/2008/06/15/JQuery-1-2-6-Intellisense-for-Visual-Studio-2008.aspx

But I think it's more productive to rewrite it from scratch in your
own format. The Intellisense code is embedded in the comments of the
script itself, you'd have to create a parser for that.

On Dec 16, 8:09 pm, "Dirceu Barquette" 
wrote:
> OK. CSV isn't required...
> All the IDE has {css,tagHtml}attrs or jQuery{attr,methods} auto-complete
> cappable . If I have these lists, auto-completing is easy... isn't it?
> Thanks
> Dirceu Barquette
>
> 2008/12/16 Ricardo Tomasi 
>
>
>
> > Hmm.. what do you mean? all of these are plain text, I guess you meant
> > something other than 'file format' (and csv has nothing to do with CSS
> > by the way, more than the rest is unrelated!) :]
>
> > On Dec 16, 5:22 pm, "Dirceu Barquette" 
> > wrote:
> > > Hi,
>
> > > I'd like to know, please:
> > > There is  {HTML,CSS,jQuery}library in [xml,csv,json]file format?
> > > The goal is an IDE...
>
> > > Thanks.
>
> > > Dirceu Barquette

[jQuery] Re: libraries

[Dirceu Barquette]

OK. CSV isn't required...
All the IDE has {css,tagHtml}attrs or jQuery{attr,methods} auto-complete
cappable . If I have these lists, auto-completing is easy... isn't it?
Thanks
Dirceu Barquette

2008/12/16 Ricardo Tomasi 

>
> Hmm.. what do you mean? all of these are plain text, I guess you meant
> something other than 'file format' (and csv has nothing to do with CSS
> by the way, more than the rest is unrelated!) :]
>
> On Dec 16, 5:22 pm, "Dirceu Barquette" 
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'd like to know, please:
> > There is  {HTML,CSS,jQuery}library in [xml,csv,json]file format?
> > The goal is an IDE...
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Dirceu Barquette
>

[jQuery] Re: libraries

[Ricardo Tomasi]

Hmm.. what do you mean? all of these are plain text, I guess you meant
something other than 'file format' (and csv has nothing to do with CSS
by the way, more than the rest is unrelated!) :]

On Dec 16, 5:22 pm, "Dirceu Barquette" 
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to know, please:
> There is  {HTML,CSS,jQuery}library in [xml,csv,json]file format?
> The goal is an IDE...
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dirceu Barquette